You should use ($120-250) battery on (my favorite brand)! As always on this channel, only if they package the kit they sell that way. For now, they all rate the tool's specs with the battery they provide in those kits so we always test vs that. If you buy a tool that says "1,000 ft-lbs" and comes with a battery, we're testing vs that 1,000 they advertise. We also do, and will do in the future, tests with these expensive batteries but not usually as head to heads.
I have both the Milwaukee and Mikita, loved the big red, but after buying the teal menace, big red doesn’t leave the toolbox very often. It just seems to be the best for breaking loose big, rust “welded” nuts. I’ve never had the Mikita work more then a few seconds on any nut, the Milwaukee however would take far longer to break them free (almost always successful though)
Yea everyone says milwaukee are better but after having both on job sites the makita was noticably more powerful, higher rpm, far exceeded the milwaukees battery life and charges in half the time
I have the makita as well. It hits really slow and really hard. Feels completely different than the red or yellow guns. There’s very little I’ve had it struggle with
I've owned my makita high torque for 3 to 4 years. It's never came across a bolt it couldn't remove. It's honestly a great impact. I've changed my tires on my semi truck with it . That's very impressive for a half inch impact.
I've got the Makita and so far the Impact has only hit 3-4 times max before whatever it's connected to has loosened or broken, including sockets. She's a hefty lass but worth it.
Yeah, I'm surprised by the torque. I've had the same experience as you, 160nm wheels nuts, doesn't even feel like it hits, spins um off like they are finger tight. I have the dtw300z and that smashed a socket first time out! In fact a German channel tested it and it undid a bolt torqued to 600nm. I think they bed down after a few uses and make more power.
@@movaughn20 Ya, I own a mid torque and a high torque, as well as a m12 stubby (the mid torque and high torque are m18). To be honest I use the m12 stubby far more than anything else. I use the mid torque for wheel nuts, suspension, etc. I use the high torque very rarely to be honest and could definitely get by without it. I was just giving Jim a hard time. The key word is definitely “need”.
As I've said before the high torque and mid torque Makitas are about the same price so thats what guided my decision in getting one. Right before I went all in on the LXT line I learned about the XGT series but decided it wasn't necessary for the line of work I do. Any high torque cordless impact is better than dealing with an air compressor
I use my dewalt high torque all the time. I have not found a bolt it can not break loose. Way more power than most air impacts I have used and there is not need to have a air compressor which is great for changing tires, etc. It might not be as good as the others but it is also cheaper and I already have a bunch of dewalt tools. I would definitely recommend it still.
Thank you all so much for the info. I’m a mechanic and own the 1/2 Milwaukee high torque. It’s made a believer out of me. I owned it for two days and switched everything to Milwaukee. Everything. Best choice I’ve ever done. Made my job so much easier. But thank you all so much for the videos. I really appreciate it so much.
I've put my dewalt dcf899 through hell for the past 4 years. Daily, heavy use. Still kicking with no problems. I'm hoping they make an updated model soon
@@ameixsell I believe the only difference is the anvil size. The guns are identical inside and out and they even claim the same 700/1200ft lb numbers. I think you can even swap anvils in as they can be bought seperately and only 4 screws hold the nose cone on. I've had mine apart to clean and regrease a few times. I'm not sure if anyone has compared them side by side to see if the bigger drive produced more torque.
Upgraded from an older 18v kit. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
They don't work with electric impacts for some reason. The gun goes nuts and feels like it's gonna explode. I think it's because they don't free spook when it winds back like an air gun
I bought the new 40 volt Makita 3/4 “ drive impact. I will say it’s big but it is also a beast. I work on heavy equipment and so far I haven’t found a bolt or nut it won’t bust loose. Biggest socket I’ve had on it so far is a 2 & 3/16” . No more noisy air compressor or air hose to hang up anything. I’m a Happy boy!
I haven’t tried it on Tractor trailer lug nuts but it should be an easy task for it based on the heavy equipment I work on and the size of bolts/nuts I use it for.
I've had the XWT08Z for over 6 yrs. They came out in early 2016, now 7 yrs ago. The early ones, like mine, were made in Japan. I paid $229 back then. They're among the grand daddys of high-torque's, by comparison with today's newer entrants. Yes, they're heavy, wrist-breaking, bucking mules, but reliable as sin. I've been tempted by some of the latest entrants (like the DW DCF891b for sure), but this one will have to go to cordless tool nirvana first!
I bought Milwaukee when they first came out. Have first gen for what they had at time. I have the M18 XC from 8 years ago and they still work! Still have and use them. Never had a battery last this long or the tools they attach to
I've been a Makita guy since I was a kid. All my dad had was Makita for his business and some of those power tools from the 80s are still working to this day. Since I already had a huge investment in Makita, I chose to stick with their lineup. I have this exact Makita in this segment and it does its job. I don't use it to its full potential so I'm pleased. I have several Dewalt 18V power tool sets that my dad bought for me in the early 2000s and they are junk at best. Some of my friends have Milwaukee power tool sets that have burnt up on them and had to be warrantied out. While performance numbers are a crazy thing these days, longevity will prevail. I stick behind Makita even though some of their tools may beat you up more than others. I never though about the comfort aspect of tools since the power factor is taking all the muscle power out the equation anyway. I'm from a time when a breaker bar with a cheater was a thing.
Look at the nose cone detail. Makita bolts through the plastic, into the metal. The other two, into the plastic clamshell. IMO, Makita is better engineered.
I discovered Makita living overseas. It seems underrated in the states because I never heard of them there nor have I ever seen a mechanic with one. I’d take the Makita any day and they also have great batteries.
@@moustachio334 the funny part is at the tow company I work for, I'm the only driver that carries makita tools. So what you're saying is true. My impact is the xwt08z running 5 ah batteries.
There is a channel called Scott HD. He recently did a video on comparing cordless polishers. In the video he tested vibrations using a European standard and testing equipment. This may be a good method to test the wrist breaking vibrations.
Second this, i seen Makita tools have vibration specs now and its like the new big thing, they are making a really big deal out of it with their new LXT brushless multicutter tool.
I have had one of these Makita's for years. Yes the socket retainer is junk. I have never had any issue with using it one handed. I used it one handed just today using it on pretty tight nuts.
Makita has 1 battery system for all their 18v tools 1 battery can power hundreds of tools, I personally wouldn’t want 2 different barriers for the same brand tool. Its all subjective but Makita is always gonna be my choice of tool
Ya. The m18 vibrates quite bad lol. Get a stuck bellhousing bolt and it'll rattle and buck and all kinds of crap. Then it'll get the one hit it needed and it'll calm down and just impact it off
I have the DeWalt dcf899. It’s obviously an older model but it’s plenty powerful for what I do. If I needed more power I’d step up to a 3/4”. I think DeWalt needs to make their new 1/2” high torque a 3/4” and keep the dcf900 as their 1/2”. Anything over 1,400 ft lbs of torque you typically need to run a 3/4” anvil.
First time I used my Makita was to install a track bar on a not-so-straight Cherokee. The bracket didn't quite line up, so I used the fasteners to make them come together. Expecting to hear some hammering, then slowing, as it tightened (like with air tools), I pulled the trigger and let it fly. Makita broke the 21mm head bolt without slowing down. Whoops, lesson learned: no more than a couple of hammers when tightening, then use a torque wrench.
Most companies start working on the next gen version once the previous one is essentially complete, so this statement should be always true for any of the big brands.
Me and a guy were on a site last night actually and had to tighten 46mm nuts on a 20 metre tall telecom pole. He had the milwaukee and I have the makita. I knew the milwaukee had more torque so I left him to it. I'm happy with my makita though.
I gotta have this tool, and im sure it will do all the bolts on my truck with ease, however im perplexed as to why they all put out real world torque that is HALF of whats advertised!
I agree that it would be valuable to see a brand new dewalt and I would argue that a new makita as well. Some of the problems experienced here don't "Feel" like typical makita but feel more "Well used tool". As with anything I could be wrong and this might just be one of their weaker in category tools. I do agree though it will be real interesting to see what the XGT does.
I have some near new, 6amp hour Makita batteries. Need a loaner? Only 3 or 4 charge cycles through them. I also have the high torque. And yes it kicks. Impossible one handed for me. Really love using it though.
My application of work (Ironworker) Makita outperforms both due to its hitting power which is very important for hitting bolts. The wrist breaking factor is huge when it comes to either breaking or loosing bolts. Especially anchors. They also make cordless shear wrenches which anyone who runs a shear wrench knows portability is HUGE.
Awesome video guys ive had this makita almost 4 years now and i can say for sure it has a good kick on it its very reliable aswell. I tend to be on the rough side with my tools if it cant handle a little rough handling then in my books its not a good tool. Could you guys test the Hikoki (hitachi) high torque 1/2 inch if you get a chance
Havent tried the others, but the Makita is definitely kinda hard to keep on the bolt. Never skips a beat, and has always done anything I've wanted it to (Lags, concrete anchors etc). I got the DTW1002 (same as XWT08) after my DTW285 (XWT11) failed to put in some concrete anchors.
I'm Makita for cordless and was looking at the XWT08. But compared the drama of the Makita to make 601 in reverse (and the brutal hand treatment) vs the Nitrocat 1250k which makes the smoothest 631 you'll ever see, it was a no brainer if you're old like me and don't want the abuse in your hands. There's still something to be said for air guns. At some point, having the most power just isn't the most important thing anymore. Size/weight/smoothness start to matter a lot more once you get "enough" power.
The only problem with that would be how to weigh "claimed warranty protection" against Actual. There are some tool brands who have a bad tendency to claim exceptional warranties, but when it comes time to claim it the warranty gets invalidated due to "reasons".
Bad idea, warranty does not translate into reality, thats why more and more countries make consumer laws that over-rides manufacturer warranty. The Nordic countries has led the way, if a certain tool is expected to last 5 years then it has to be covered for 5 years. Norway even has laws about repair, if the fault reappears it must be gone after 3 repair attempts or your product must be replaced. Downside is that crap budget brands like Ryobi has to charge more to cover free repairs and replacements, and thats why Ryobi and other substandard brands are too expensive in Europe.
Nice to know the M18 fuel 1/2" impact I got to make "exercise" equipment easier to install into ceiling joists came out on top. Not that I use it that often, but after that first exercise using a socket wrench with a three foot pipe cheater bar on a wobbly stepladder and sweating my ass off, it was worth it. Not much wrist strain driving lag bolts into old, hard joists (pre-drilled of course, I'm not an idiot). My M12 5/8" SDS+ on the other hand, far more of a beast I work on a regular basis. (I already had M18 and M12 batteries, so the bare tool was the obvious choice for me, if I was on a different battery platform for all my tools, would have gone that way, even if measurebaters had hardons for other ones. I'm a simple handyman, I stick with the platform I'm stuck with.)
It appears the makita underwent a few penny pinching revisions since I got mine, mine has a full proper ring like what’s on snap on air impacts and doesn’t have that hole through the anvil. I have an XWT08 that I have used and abused for the last 2 years now and it is hands down the hardest hitting out of the bunch. The Milwaukee spins faster giving it higher aggregate torque numbers but the single impulse is definitely higher on the makita since the anvil and hammer are heavier. Pulling 1” fasteners on a skid steer the Milwaukee just didn’t have the initial grunt to get it going, this is seen in that initial jump the makita has off the line.
@@pflaffik each impulse of the hammer hitting the anvil harder causes the graph to rise quicker. peak torque is a tightening force, useless for unsticking fasteners as the force is unloaded between each blow. the total rotational force per blow in newtons would be a better measure of "how hard it hits". this would be the difference between swinging a 2lb sledgehammer or an 8lb sledgehammer at a rock. you must understand the physics at play before telling someone you must read the graph a certain way
Good video man!. I would like to see the new ridgid 1/2 inch against this 3. Also if the high output batteries from milwaukee would help in performance. Keep up the good videos!👍🏾
Yeah thing that sucks is they are really expensive just wanted your opinion and data to see if it's even worth it or to just go for the big red Milwaukee
The makita not only will pull the socket off the fastener and but that weak ring will jump the tool right out of a socket if it's tight to a fastener. Ask me how I know.
Hi I bought the 40v makita 3/4 1510 and today I was at work and watched the Milwaukee 1400 1/2 inch impact outright outighten my new wrench that sucked
I’d love to see you guys test the Bauer 64120. It’s a very cheap plug-in tool that I personally own and it claims a lot of torque. Would be interesting to see how true their claims are.
Thanks for finally putting out the video with my Makita. I considered buying the XGT from BC Fasteners and importing it from Canada, but then I remembered my actual budget. Still, after changing it over from Canadian money, it was far cheaper than some ebay scalpers... The real killer was the fact that I own zero 3/4 inch sockets and would have to buy some; I just didn’t want to have to do that.
@@TorqueTestChannel With the tool, charger, and battery it comes to $620 USD. I just started a new job, so we'll see how things go financially. It's also backordered at the moment anyways. Wait a month? Makita TW001GM102
Hope you guys test the Ingersoll Rand PowerSockets. They are saying up to 50% more torque from your impact with them. “The Ingersoll Rand PowerSockets are a revolutionary solution to bust through the most stubborn bolts. The patent-pending power ring design provides up to 50% more torque with your Ingersoll Rand 1/2 in. impact wrench, eliminating the need for additional tools and providing timesaving power and versatility to increase your productivity.”
Can you do a test where you measure how much more torque a heavier socket makes on the dyno compared to a regular impact socket. Lisle sells a a huge Honda crank pulley bolt socket, can you compare that to a regular impact socket etc?
I believe AvE ascertained those claims torque numbers are shaft torque. There is a percentage lost through the sockets. Like he said use the shortest socket possible for the job to get the most torque.
DeWalt is in too much of a comfy place because of their years of utter sales dominance. Sadly, I don't think they have any interest in winning a pissing contest until someone starts making them sweat at the cash registers.
I would really like to see the. Harbor freight bauer 20v 1/2" drive impact wrench. It claims 450 nut busting which doesn't seem as far fetched as the 325 ft lbs that the 3/8" drive claims. Also the corded bauer 1/2" which claims over 1000ft lb and is under $100. And the milwaukee corded 1/2" impact as well. I think it is somewhere around 300 ft lbs.
Dewalt claims to have 20% more power from their 9amp flexvolt vs. Their 6amp flexvolt. Could you do a video on every dewalt battery size vs. Torque produced.
I own the Milwaukee an i friggin love it! Although, laying on ya back under a truck with a 12" extension arms above ya head, lifting that beast is shoulder dislocation...
The mac tools man, reckons that if you buy a new mac tools 1/2 inch battery gun (unsure of model number) but use a dewalt flex volt battery, you can get 2200nm, be interesting to see how true that Is!
Ao I bought my dewalt XR 1/2 impact new in Sept of 2020. Iv used it for mobile mechanic work for a year and 8 months. I tore it down break cleaned it and repact it with grease. I'm looking for another impact to replace it since it's not hitting as hard as it used to. I have to use a breaker bar to break bolts lose every now and then. I'd like to see how much power it's lost since I bought it new
Both the red and teal are great but one thing to take into consideration is that the Makita is made in Japan and the Milwaukee is made in China. I would like to think the Makita is better made so longevity would be better but no one knows that to be true because there are no longevity comparisons. There is also the factor of the red being made in a communist country with horrible human rights violations, that matters more to some people than others, while I hate how china treats it's people, it is less important to me when buying things made in china, that is because we all have things in our home that is made in china, most everything is these days. I am not a fanboy of either, I have both Milwaukee and Makita tools, I am simply pointing a couple things out that some people take into consideration, however, people are also going to buy what platform they have invested in, that is only common sense.
So after watching a lot of videos I notice the hand on the back of the M18 to help keep it seated but for Makita it looks like it was held one handed. In the shop putting the hand on the back of the impact is sometimes just what's needed to help break a tough lug nut loose. Also M18 is crazy from personal experience. Also got a great Idea now for a double trigger gun with a 'pneumatically engaged anvil + already spinning motor and weights' for a real nut buster. I'll build it and send it to you
Hi there, great video. I might be overthinking this but could you advise me please about the correct use of my Dtw 1001 - tried to undo some approx m24 fine thread wheel nuts on my 16 ton low loader trailer and some it wouldn't budge. They were rusty and old and who knows when or what was used to torque them up etc before my ownership. Question is , if you come across something it won't undo , how long should you keep the trigger pressed before burning the gun out or damaging the clutch etc????? i did bursts of approx 3 - 5 seconds and still nothing. Then interestingly i gave up and went back a few hours later and did again and it broke loose!! For reference we tried a with 4ft scaffold bar slid onto a 2ft breaker bar on the same nuts on the wheel and took my weight of 100kg and still didn't budge so was amazed when the makita did it but i gave it just probably 7 seconds this time..... I don't want to hurt the tool so would love to know your guys advice . Thanks, James from England uk.
Hello. I have a DTW 1001Z machine. Use a Cr-Mo base. Try to loosen it for 10 seconds and if the screw does not loosen, switch to the other direction. You may have to change direction a few times before the screw loosens. The cr-mo socket should preferably not be thin, it should have weight. If you have WD40 spray on hand, it doesn't hurt either. I went the same way as you. I tried to loosen the screw on a wheel that hadn't been touched for years, but it was only M20 screws. I took the 9 cm long machine cr-mo socket, put it on the machine and tried to unroll it. It didn't come off, I changed direction 3 times and then it took it off.
Good video. I like seeing the real test numbers in the head to head and the graph makes it easy to understand I own a Makita high torque( already in the platform) and use a Dewalt at work. They both get the job done close to the same. The Makita is definitely hefty and a little awkward but seems a little better put together than the Dewalt. The Dewalt is easier to hold onto. The bottom line is between those two I wouldn't jump platforms to get either one.
Best comment here. I also use dewalt and makita. Makita is usually always made better, but the dewalt in this case works fine. These are both old reliables at this point.
I know it's 2021, but I just cannot wrap my head around that these cordless guns are as powerful as the pneumatic ones. Just as I spent two weeks going over whether I should spend $1,400 getting a compressor and a three-quarter inch gun when I'm stead I could buy $300 worth of cordless for stubborn rusted control arm bolts on my Toyota Solara.
I'd like to see how much torque the M18 high torque can make with a high output 8.0aH battery. The tool has a claimed (up to) 1400ft.lbs nut-busting, but I doubt it makes that with the 5.0aH battery it's sold with.
You should use ($120-250) battery on (my favorite brand)!
As always on this channel, only if they package the kit they sell that way. For now, they all rate the tool's specs with the battery they provide in those kits so we always test vs that. If you buy a tool that says "1,000 ft-lbs" and comes with a battery, we're testing vs that 1,000 they advertise. We also do, and will do in the future, tests with these expensive batteries but not usually as head to heads.
I have a 1 week old, unused DCF899B with receipts. Let me know if you need to use it.
And I just read this comment lol sorry
I have both the Milwaukee and Mikita, loved the big red, but after buying the teal menace, big red doesn’t leave the toolbox very often. It just seems to be the best for breaking loose big, rust “welded” nuts. I’ve never had the Mikita work more then a few seconds on any nut, the Milwaukee however would take far longer to break them free (almost always successful though)
Yea everyone says milwaukee are better but after having both on job sites the makita was noticably more powerful, higher rpm, far exceeded the milwaukees battery life and charges in half the time
I have the makita as well. It hits really slow and really hard. Feels completely different than the red or yellow guns. There’s very little I’ve had it struggle with
Beats you up like it's your first day in prison! Nicely done on that one.
I LOL'ed hard at that!
I've owned that Makita for about one year and love it!
I've owned my makita high torque for 3 to 4 years. It's never came across a bolt it couldn't remove. It's honestly a great impact. I've changed my tires on my semi truck with it . That's very impressive for a half inch impact.
I’ve had mine since 2018, still works perfectly today after 6 years of daily use
I've got the Makita and so far the Impact has only hit 3-4 times max before whatever it's connected to has loosened or broken, including sockets. She's a hefty lass but worth it.
Agreed. Absolute weapon.
So is this Makita tool good?
Yeah, I'm surprised by the torque. I've had the same experience as you, 160nm wheels nuts, doesn't even feel like it hits, spins um off like they are finger tight. I have the dtw300z and that smashed a socket first time out! In fact a German channel tested it and it undid a bolt torqued to 600nm. I think they bed down after a few uses and make more power.
For me it's like getting the wooden spoon from my mom when I misbehaved...
Thanks for the test! I don't need a high torque, I'll stick with the XWT17!
Oh come on Jim, everyone needs a high torque.
@@derekbross6958 I meannn... you're not wrong
I've held off buying one. But have borrowed a dewalt a few times. Seized suspension nuts etc. There amazing once you use one...
@@movaughn20 Ya, I own a mid torque and a high torque, as well as a m12 stubby (the mid torque and high torque are m18). To be honest I use the m12 stubby far more than anything else. I use the mid torque for wheel nuts, suspension, etc. I use the high torque very rarely to be honest and could definitely get by without it. I was just giving Jim a hard time. The key word is definitely “need”.
As I've said before the high torque and mid torque Makitas are about the same price so thats what guided my decision in getting one. Right before I went all in on the LXT line I learned about the XGT series but decided it wasn't necessary for the line of work I do. Any high torque cordless impact is better than dealing with an air compressor
I use my dewalt high torque all the time. I have not found a bolt it can not break loose. Way more power than most air impacts I have used and there is not need to have a air compressor which is great for changing tires, etc. It might not be as good as the others but it is also cheaper and I already have a bunch of dewalt tools. I would definitely recommend it still.
“Beats you up like it’s your first day in prison…“ lol. Nice.
Great video.
Thank you all so much for the info. I’m a mechanic and own the 1/2 Milwaukee high torque. It’s made a believer out of me. I owned it for two days and switched everything to Milwaukee. Everything. Best choice I’ve ever done. Made my job so much easier. But thank you all so much for the videos. I really appreciate it so much.
I've put my dewalt dcf899 through hell for the past 4 years. Daily, heavy use. Still kicking with no problems. I'm hoping they make an updated model soon
Besides the difference in drive size, what the difference in torque between the dcf899 vs dcf897?
@@ameixsell I believe the only difference is the anvil size. The guns are identical inside and out and they even claim the same 700/1200ft lb numbers. I think you can even swap anvils in as they can be bought seperately and only 4 screws hold the nose cone on. I've had mine apart to clean and regrease a few times. I'm not sure if anyone has compared them side by side to see if the bigger drive produced more torque.
Upgraded from an older 18v kit. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
Thank you for the video!
Makita 40v impact wrench next.
THAT WAS GREAT ,,, THIS ONE VIDEO ANSWERED A MILLION QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’d like to see a video on how effective torque sticks are. Maybe cheap vs expensive ones, too.
They don't work with electric impacts for some reason. The gun goes nuts and feels like it's gonna explode. I think it's because they don't free spook when it winds back like an air gun
I bought the new 40 volt Makita 3/4 “ drive impact. I will say it’s big but it is also a beast. I work on heavy equipment and so far I haven’t found a bolt or nut it won’t bust loose. Biggest socket I’ve had on it so far is a 2 & 3/16” . No more noisy air compressor or air hose to hang up anything. I’m a Happy boy!
How is it on tractor trailer lug nuts?
I haven’t tried it on Tractor trailer lug nuts but it should be an easy task for it based on the heavy equipment I work on and the size of bolts/nuts I use it for.
I got the Dewalt for $199 with a 4ah battery and charger last fall on a Home Depot sale. Definitely happy with it for the price!
I've had the XWT08Z for over 6 yrs. They came out in early 2016, now 7 yrs ago. The early ones, like mine, were made in Japan. I paid $229 back then. They're among the grand daddys of high-torque's, by comparison with today's newer entrants. Yes, they're heavy, wrist-breaking, bucking mules, but reliable as sin. I've been tempted by some of the latest entrants (like the DW DCF891b for sure), but this one will have to go to cordless tool nirvana first!
Yes finally a real test of the Makita
Yeah, I sent it to them ages ago, lol.
@@jonnda Sorry mate, been trying to work through the High Torques in an order that makes sense.
I bought Milwaukee when they first came out. Have first gen for what they had at time. I have the M18 XC from 8 years ago and they still work! Still have and use them. Never had a battery last this long or the tools they attach to
Can't wait to see Makita's 40v max high torque, they claim 2050Nm of nut-busting torque and 1800Nm fastening.
We have a feeling it's probably pretty darn good. We'd throw a 3/4" M18 up against it if we gets our hands on one for sure.
@@TorqueTestChannel Yes sir, that would be a great throw down. 😎
Try the new aeg 1/2
Ford GT90 concept, have the Road & Track with it on the cover.
still not as much as my ex wife
I've been a Makita guy since I was a kid. All my dad had was Makita for his business and some of those power tools from the 80s are still working to this day. Since I already had a huge investment in Makita, I chose to stick with their lineup. I have this exact Makita in this segment and it does its job. I don't use it to its full potential so I'm pleased. I have several Dewalt 18V power tool sets that my dad bought for me in the early 2000s and they are junk at best. Some of my friends have Milwaukee power tool sets that have burnt up on them and had to be warrantied out. While performance numbers are a crazy thing these days, longevity will prevail. I stick behind Makita even though some of their tools may beat you up more than others. I never though about the comfort aspect of tools since the power factor is taking all the muscle power out the equation anyway. I'm from a time when a breaker bar with a cheater was a thing.
Love Makita and corded Milwaukee. Very similar story for me in tool history.
I have had substantial differences between batteries.
I own the M18, that thing is a beast. You will not be disappointed If you decide to get one.
Another great test gentlemen. I can't wait for the 3/4 impact guns to get tested soon 👍
Look at the nose cone detail.
Makita bolts through the plastic, into the metal.
The other two, into the plastic clamshell.
IMO, Makita is better engineered.
As usual!
I don't think I see what you mean. Both of the bolts look to be going into the metal based on this video. ua-cam.com/video/LTsB1IsysU8/v-deo.htmlm45s
I discovered Makita living overseas. It seems underrated in the states because I never heard of them there nor have I ever seen a mechanic with one. I’d take the Makita any day and they also have great batteries.
@@moustachio334 the funny part is at the tow company I work for, I'm the only driver that carries makita tools. So what you're saying is true. My impact is the xwt08z running 5 ah batteries.
There is a channel called Scott HD. He recently did a video on comparing cordless polishers. In the video he tested vibrations using a European standard and testing equipment. This may be a good method to test the wrist breaking vibrations.
Second this, i seen Makita tools have vibration specs now and its like the new big thing, they are making a really big deal out of it with their new LXT brushless multicutter tool.
It beats you up like your first day in prison 🤣🤣
picked up a Makita xwt14. It is my new go to on a lot of stuff.
I love my Milwaukee 2767! I have the DeWalt DCF899 as well.
I have had one of these Makita's for years. Yes the socket retainer is junk. I have never had any issue with using it one handed. I used it one handed just today using it on pretty tight nuts.
i have the makita and never had it let me down , been using it for years
Makita has 1 battery system for all their 18v tools 1 battery can power hundreds of tools, I personally wouldn’t want 2 different barriers for the same brand tool. Its all subjective but Makita is always gonna be my choice of tool
Ya. The m18 vibrates quite bad lol. Get a stuck bellhousing bolt and it'll rattle and buck and all kinds of crap. Then it'll get the one hit it needed and it'll calm down and just impact it off
looking forward to someday seeing the new (yet to be released as of right now) Ryobi high torque and the Rigid High torque too
Ridgid, octang, gotta see how it compares with the big red. Then there is Ryobi coming out late summer
I have the DeWalt dcf899. It’s obviously an older model but it’s plenty powerful for what I do. If I needed more power I’d step up to a 3/4”. I think DeWalt needs to make their new 1/2” high torque a 3/4” and keep the dcf900 as their 1/2”. Anything over 1,400 ft lbs of torque you typically need to run a 3/4” anvil.
First time I used my Makita was to install a track bar on a not-so-straight Cherokee. The bracket didn't quite line up, so I used the fasteners to make them come together. Expecting to hear some hammering, then slowing, as it tightened (like with air tools), I pulled the trigger and let it fly. Makita broke the 21mm head bolt without slowing down. Whoops, lesson learned: no more than a couple of hammers when tightening, then use a torque wrench.
"allegedly" Dewalt has one coming out to compete with that new makita impact and Milwaukee's high powered impact and I wanna see it for my own self
Most companies start working on the next gen version once the previous one is essentially complete, so this statement should be always true for any of the big brands.
Me and a guy were on a site last night actually and had to tighten 46mm nuts on a 20 metre tall telecom pole. He had the milwaukee and I have the makita. I knew the milwaukee had more torque so I left him to it. I'm happy with my makita though.
most underrated tool channel on UA-cam right now!
I gotta have this tool, and im sure it will do all the bolts on my truck with ease, however im perplexed as to why they all put out real world torque that is HALF of whats advertised!
The test that they is not accurate with torque specs it does show which is stronger but that's about all
I agree that it would be valuable to see a brand new dewalt and I would argue that a new makita as well. Some of the problems experienced here don't "Feel" like typical makita but feel more "Well used tool". As with anything I could be wrong and this might just be one of their weaker in category tools. I do agree though it will be real interesting to see what the XGT does.
Very true, worth keeping in mind that ALL of these high torques shown were lightly used before testing.
I have some near new, 6amp hour Makita batteries. Need a loaner? Only 3 or 4 charge cycles through them.
I also have the high torque. And yes it kicks. Impossible one handed for me. Really love using it though.
You should try the Ingersoll rand gen 2 vs Milwaukee gen 2.
My application of work (Ironworker) Makita outperforms both due to its hitting power which is very important for hitting bolts. The wrist breaking factor is huge when it comes to either breaking or loosing bolts. Especially anchors. They also make cordless shear wrenches which anyone who runs a shear wrench knows portability is HUGE.
Would be quite interesting to see various battery tests from all 3.
Awesome video guys ive had this makita almost 4 years now and i can say for sure it has a good kick on it its very reliable aswell. I tend to be on the rough side with my tools if it cant handle a little rough handling then in my books its not a good tool.
Could you guys test the Hikoki (hitachi) high torque 1/2 inch if you get a chance
Would love to see the Ingersoll Rand cordless tools tested!
I heard their new 1" SLAPS!
Havent tried the others, but the Makita is definitely kinda hard to keep on the bolt. Never skips a beat, and has always done anything I've wanted it to (Lags, concrete anchors etc). I got the DTW1002 (same as XWT08) after my DTW285 (XWT11) failed to put in some concrete anchors.
I'm Makita for cordless and was looking at the XWT08. But compared the drama of the Makita to make 601 in reverse (and the brutal hand treatment) vs the Nitrocat 1250k which makes the smoothest 631 you'll ever see, it was a no brainer if you're old like me and don't want the abuse in your hands. There's still something to be said for air guns. At some point, having the most power just isn't the most important thing anymore. Size/weight/smoothness start to matter a lot more once you get "enough" power.
now that same makita is around 350. Crazy how the tech didn't change but price went up 100 bucks. I was lucky to get it yesterday for $260.
Love the content. My only input would be to possibly find a way to convert the included warranty into the point scoring system
The only problem with that would be how to weigh "claimed warranty protection" against Actual. There are some tool brands who have a bad tendency to claim exceptional warranties, but when it comes time to claim it the warranty gets invalidated due to "reasons".
Bad idea, warranty does not translate into reality, thats why more and more countries make consumer laws that over-rides manufacturer warranty. The Nordic countries has led the way, if a certain tool is expected to last 5 years then it has to be covered for 5 years. Norway even has laws about repair, if the fault reappears it must be gone after 3 repair attempts or your product must be replaced. Downside is that crap budget brands like Ryobi has to charge more to cover free repairs and replacements, and thats why Ryobi and other substandard brands are too expensive in Europe.
Nice to know the M18 fuel 1/2" impact I got to make "exercise" equipment easier to install into ceiling joists came out on top. Not that I use it that often, but after that first exercise using a socket wrench with a three foot pipe cheater bar on a wobbly stepladder and sweating my ass off, it was worth it. Not much wrist strain driving lag bolts into old, hard joists (pre-drilled of course, I'm not an idiot). My M12 5/8" SDS+ on the other hand, far more of a beast I work on a regular basis. (I already had M18 and M12 batteries, so the bare tool was the obvious choice for me, if I was on a different battery platform for all my tools, would have gone that way, even if measurebaters had hardons for other ones. I'm a simple handyman, I stick with the platform I'm stuck with.)
It appears the makita underwent a few penny pinching revisions since I got mine, mine has a full proper ring like what’s on snap on air impacts and doesn’t have that hole through the anvil. I have an XWT08 that I have used and abused for the last 2 years now and it is hands down the hardest hitting out of the bunch. The Milwaukee spins faster giving it higher aggregate torque numbers but the single impulse is definitely higher on the makita since the anvil and hammer are heavier. Pulling 1” fasteners on a skid steer the Milwaukee just didn’t have the initial grunt to get it going, this is seen in that initial jump the makita has off the line.
The initial jump is on low torque so it shouldnt matter on really hard tasks. You must read the graph the way ttc advices.
@@pflaffik each impulse of the hammer hitting the anvil harder causes the graph to rise quicker. peak torque is a tightening force, useless for unsticking fasteners as the force is unloaded between each blow. the total rotational force per blow in newtons would be a better measure of "how hard it hits". this would be the difference between swinging a 2lb sledgehammer or an 8lb sledgehammer at a rock. you must understand the physics at play before telling someone you must read the graph a certain way
Good video man!. I would like to see the new ridgid 1/2 inch against this 3. Also if the high output batteries from milwaukee would help in performance. Keep up the good videos!👍🏾
The new Snap On brushless 1/2 would be great to see
We plan on doing it at some point. We've had like 3 offers just turn into nadda
Yeah thing that sucks is they are really expensive just wanted your opinion and data to see if it's even worth it or to just go for the big red Milwaukee
The makita not only will pull the socket off the fastener and but that weak ring will jump the tool right out of a socket if it's tight to a fastener. Ask me how I know.
Love the channel! I’d also love to see Milwaukee tested with a High Output battery, it should definitely improve performance with those 21700 cells.
Would be nice to see some hilti stuff when you get the funds/find someone to lend you one
I'd love to see the new Bosch Biturbo impact and also the Hikoki/Metabo HPT impacts. These are some great comparisons by the way!
Hi I bought the 40v makita 3/4 1510 and today I was at work and watched the Milwaukee 1400 1/2 inch impact outright outighten my new wrench that sucked
I have that Makita. So far its great, but I've been waiting for a new model for years and finally broke down last fall and got it.
would love to see some tests on Metabos electric impact
I’d love to see you guys test the Bauer 64120. It’s a very cheap plug-in tool that I personally own and it claims a lot of torque. Would be interesting to see how true their claims are.
Thanks for finally putting out the video with my Makita. I considered buying the XGT from BC Fasteners and importing it from Canada, but then I remembered my actual budget. Still, after changing it over from Canadian money, it was far cheaper than some ebay scalpers... The real killer was the fact that I own zero 3/4 inch sockets and would have to buy some; I just didn’t want to have to do that.
We'll purchase a Metric or SAE 3/4" socket set and send it back with the tool if you purchase the gun!
@@TorqueTestChannel With the tool, charger, and battery it comes to $620 USD. I just started a new job, so we'll see how things go financially. It's also backordered at the moment anyways. Wait a month?
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Hope you guys test the Ingersoll Rand PowerSockets. They are saying up to 50% more torque from your impact with them.
“The Ingersoll Rand PowerSockets are a revolutionary solution to bust through the most stubborn bolts. The patent-pending power ring design provides up to 50% more torque with your Ingersoll Rand 1/2 in. impact wrench, eliminating the need for additional tools and providing timesaving power and versatility to increase your productivity.”
I’d like to see the dewalt using the 60v flexvolt battery
What about a Flexvolt Impact Wrench? That would be a wonder to see
Won’t make any difference
Still not testing the 1inch Milwaukee 2868 ? Let's see some big power !
Can you do a test where you measure how much more torque a heavier socket makes on the dyno compared to a regular impact socket. Lisle sells a a huge Honda crank pulley bolt socket, can you compare that to a regular impact socket etc?
We can do that!
Thank you
Can you test the milwaukee with the 12.0 AH battery, and would like to see the milwaukee 1inch anvil on here aswell
I believe AvE ascertained those claims torque numbers are shaft torque. There is a percentage lost through the sockets. Like he said use the shortest socket possible for the job to get the most torque.
The skidmore's these brands use for ratings use a socket
Thanks for a great review!
Dewalt needs a new 1/2 impact wrench.
And a new 1/4" impact driver.. DCF887 is long in the tooth. They seem to be fixated on hammer drills the last couple years.
DeWalt is in too much of a comfy place because of their years of utter sales dominance. Sadly, I don't think they have any interest in winning a pissing contest until someone starts making them sweat at the cash registers.
I think you should include the hikoki high torque in this match
It’s here!! The test we all wanted!!
I just ordered a refurbished XWT08Z with a 2 yr warranty for $149. Let's see how it goes
I would really like to see the. Harbor freight bauer 20v 1/2" drive impact wrench. It claims 450 nut busting which doesn't seem as far fetched as the 325 ft lbs that the 3/8" drive claims. Also the corded bauer 1/2" which claims over 1000ft lb and is under $100. And the milwaukee corded 1/2" impact as well. I think it is somewhere around 300 ft lbs.
They already did the Bauer 1/2" 20V. Check there other videos.
@@600ccgsxr8 I saw earthquake not bauer
Dewalt claims to have 20% more power from their 9amp flexvolt vs. Their 6amp flexvolt. Could you do a video on every dewalt battery size vs. Torque produced.
I put a 9ah flexvolt battery on my 889 and it makes a very noticeable different from my XR 5ah battery. Wish this channel would confirm that
I own the Milwaukee an i friggin love it! Although, laying on ya back under a truck with a 12" extension arms above ya head, lifting that beast is shoulder dislocation...
The mac tools man, reckons that if you buy a new mac tools 1/2 inch battery gun (unsure of model number) but use a dewalt flex volt battery, you can get 2200nm, be interesting to see how true that Is!
Ao I bought my dewalt XR 1/2 impact new in Sept of 2020. Iv used it for mobile mechanic work for a year and 8 months. I tore it down break cleaned it and repact it with grease. I'm looking for another impact to replace it since it's not hitting as hard as it used to. I have to use a breaker bar to break bolts lose every now and then. I'd like to see how much power it's lost since I bought it new
Just came here to see Milwaukee win. Thanks, cya!
Both the red and teal are great but one thing to take into consideration is that the Makita is made in Japan and the Milwaukee is made in China. I would like to think the Makita is better made so longevity would be better but no one knows that to be true because there are no longevity comparisons. There is also the factor of the red being made in a communist country with horrible human rights violations, that matters more to some people than others, while I hate how china treats it's people, it is less important to me when buying things made in china, that is because we all have things in our home that is made in china, most everything is these days.
I am not a fanboy of either, I have both Milwaukee and Makita tools, I am simply pointing a couple things out that some people take into consideration, however, people are also going to buy what platform they have invested in, that is only common sense.
So after watching a lot of videos I notice the hand on the back of the M18 to help keep it seated but for Makita it looks like it was held one handed. In the shop putting the hand on the back of the impact is sometimes just what's needed to help break a tough lug nut loose. Also M18 is crazy from personal experience. Also got a great Idea now for a double trigger gun with a 'pneumatically engaged anvil + already spinning motor and weights' for a real nut buster. I'll build it and send it to you
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Hi there, great video. I might be overthinking this but could you advise me please about the correct use of my Dtw 1001 - tried to undo some approx m24 fine thread wheel nuts on my 16 ton low loader trailer and some it wouldn't budge. They were rusty and old and who knows when or what was used to torque them up etc before my ownership. Question is , if you come across something it won't undo , how long should you keep the trigger pressed before burning the gun out or damaging the clutch etc????? i did bursts of approx 3 - 5 seconds and still nothing. Then interestingly i gave up and went back a few hours later and did again and it broke loose!! For reference we tried a with 4ft scaffold bar slid onto a 2ft breaker bar on the same nuts on the wheel and took my weight of 100kg and still didn't budge so was amazed when the makita did it but i gave it just probably 7 seconds this time..... I don't want to hurt the tool so would love to know your guys advice . Thanks, James from England uk.
Hello. I have a DTW 1001Z machine. Use a Cr-Mo base. Try to loosen it for 10 seconds and if the screw does not loosen, switch to the other direction. You may have to change direction a few times before the screw loosens. The cr-mo socket should preferably not be thin, it should have weight. If you have WD40 spray on hand, it doesn't hurt either. I went the same way as you. I tried to loosen the screw on a wheel that hadn't been touched for years, but it was only M20 screws. I took the 9 cm long machine cr-mo socket, put it on the machine and tried to unroll it. It didn't come off, I changed direction 3 times and then it took it off.
I like the reference to getting smacked in the head with a flip flop lol
Good video. I like seeing the real test numbers in the head to head and the graph makes it easy to understand
I own a Makita high torque( already in the platform) and use a Dewalt at work. They both get the job done close to the same. The Makita is definitely hefty and a little awkward but seems a little better put together than the Dewalt. The Dewalt is easier to hold onto. The bottom line is between those two I wouldn't jump platforms to get either one.
Best comment here. I also use dewalt and makita. Makita is usually always made better, but the dewalt in this case works fine. These are both old reliables at this point.
Can you try testing mastercraft's 1\2inch brushless impact? (Canada's ryobi
) I'd love to see how it stacks up to Ryobi
I know it's 2021, but I just cannot wrap my head around that these cordless guns are as powerful as the pneumatic ones.
Just as I spent two weeks going over whether I should spend $1,400 getting a compressor and a three-quarter inch gun when I'm stead I could buy $300 worth of cordless for stubborn rusted control arm bolts on my Toyota Solara.
I really wanted to to see Craftsman Brushless series impacts and drill done in your tests
I'd like to see how much torque the M18 high torque can make with a high output 8.0aH battery. The tool has a claimed (up to) 1400ft.lbs nut-busting, but I doubt it makes that with the 5.0aH battery it's sold with.
apart from peak torque I would like to see which one of these is the most reliable
Makita.
That’s a very tough thing to measure because of all the variables involved, but it would be great if possible
Dewalt is black&decker, the waukee shake the batteries to pieces, makita wins.
Some test on Bosch would be great
Your last test the makitas staying with the Milwaukee up until 600 ft/lbs so what's the problem
When are you going to get Rigid's high torque with the Octane battery on here?
1-2 more high torque's then Ridgid is scheduled
@@TorqueTestChannel I wonder what those 1-2 could be.
Does it all really matter. It’s about what you have already and adding to it
Try to see if you can find the Red makita high torque, the JDM model as it were.
Lisle 19mm vs other 19mm sockets would be cool
You need to use the High Output battery’s for the Milwaukee fuel
They use the fives because that's what the kit comes with