2024-01-27 Ramana Maharshi Foundation UK: Why should we believe that we are one without a second?
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- In a Zoom meeting with the Ramana Maharshi Foundation UK on 27th January 2024, Michael answers various questions about Bhagavan’s teachings, and the first question he answered was:
"When describing Bhagavan's teachings, Michael quotes "ekamevadvitiyam" from Chandogya upanishad. But, similar to the lucid description of the rest of the teachings, is there a methodical logical statement for advaitam? In other words, why should we believe the reality is one without the second?"
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Michael with great respect if it is likely you will receive this comment..but who are the 'others' you are communicating your thoughts to?.. you have done a wonderful service but surely it is now time for you to remain Silent..
@@grahambradd3839 wtf!! What kind of ignorance is this I revealing here today. We can all laugh and joke, thanks to the body mind issues we all share as a social society but seriously can we say I am not here to hear words of self wisdom.
There is only One other, ego.
Can one other say to an other, that there are no others to hear his words? No that makes no sense. If you can hear and respectfully complain then others are proved to exist in the place where you find yourself living.
Grahambradd3839 you
learn respect, do you always have it, is it always present? If it’s not always, then it is never. Reality is constant still whole and complete. Without fault or flaw, it is the light radiating from it own self being. Without form shape or name, just as we are, alone We are here. Indivisible one.
The body mind is born, it lives a life, and then it succumbs to death. this is false imagination.
What is born is the idea that other worlds outside of oneself.
Ego gives the illusion of reality to the thought, rising to exist independently as I am formed.
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Wonderful wonderful,🙏🙏🙏🙏My prostrations to Michael. I always feel the presence of Bhagwan when I hear him speak....No words to thank him
Thank you Michael ji 🙏
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Namaste Michael,
As always thank you for your insightful explanations of Guru Ramana Maharshi’s teaching. My mind has few questions regarding Gurudev’s teachings on ego:
1. Is it because of prarabdha karma that some of us (ego) are inclined to spiritual seeking and others are not? Does prarabdha incline us to spiritual growth?
2. If we are all expressions of one life, non-dualism (Advaita) and we all are ultimately one: Why was there need for ego to manifest from one life and create dualism? Who created this need? What is the reason for this manifestation? How did ego first originate from this ultimate oneness?
Your insights perhaps shall help in transcending the ego in me and its curiosity of meaning in spiritual practice (sadhana). With gratitude.
Why all this mental activity my friend..just be Still
I do wonder without hopefully sounding presumptious that at some point Michael should simply do what he Knows is the correct thing to do and remain Silent..
Why would you want him to do that? He’s accurately letting Ramana’s truth get out to many people. Why would you want him to be silent.
Other interpretations are not at all like this, this is beautiful. If you don’t want to hear the truth, you can stop listening.
Can anyone do the japa "Om namo bhagavate shri ramanaya". Will it be effective without given by Sri Ramana himself?
You can, in fact this is similar to the mantra Sri Laksmana Swami used before his realization, Bhagavan never gave it to him directly
@@rihhard1072 Yes, anyone can do this japa, however why would anybody actually do that? In order to realize self the mind needs to be destroyed and that can never happen with japa (no matter what japa) since japa is a mind activity (as long as a mind is active it obviously cannot be destroyed). The only practice which leads to the destruction of mind is self-attention or atma-vichara.
Re. Lakshmana: From where get people the idea that he is “self-realized”? From the book “No Mind” by David Godman. From where got David the idea that Lakshmana is self-realized? From Lakshmana himself. Alas that didn't seem to raise a flag for David since why would pure awareness proclaim to something which does not exist for pure awareness (the fictional object David Godman) that it is self-realized? Of course it takes a certain refinement in order to understand that and it seems David lacks that. Same goes for the impostor Poonja.
There is another example how people like Lakshmana and Poonja (and consequently David) are confused and that is Michael Langford who wrote the book, “Manonasa: A Spiritual Autobiography”. In the introduction he claimed to have “attained” manonasa (destruction of mind) in 2004 and then he described a heart attack he had 11 years later. But who has a heart attack? With manonasa the world and all phenomena disappear including any body including "his" body. Only ego would report of a heart attack since only with ego there is phenomena, a world, a body and a seeming heart attack.
I know that David has many fans and he did a great job to narrate the life of Bhagavan and basics of his teaching however there is some confusion with him which taints Bhagavan's teachings and one is well advised, IMO, to ignore his books, especially his biographies.
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Continuation of previous comment: [...] Re. Lakshmana: From where get people the idea that he is “self-realized”? From the book “No Mind” by David Godman. From where got David the idea that Lakshmana is self-realized? From Lakshmana himself. Alas that didn't seem to raise a flag for David since why would pure awareness proclaim to something which does not exist for pure awareness (the fictional object David Godman) that it is self-realized? Of course it takes a certain refinement in order to understand that and it seems David lacks that. Same goes for the impostor Poonja.
There is another example how people like Lakshmana and Poonja (and consequently David) are confused and that is Michael Langford who wrote the book, “Manonasa: A Spiritual Autobiography”. In the introduction he claimed to have “attained” manonasa (destruction of mind) in 2004 and then he described a heart attack he had 11 years later. But who has a heart attack? With manonasa the world and all phenomena disappear including any body including "his" body. Only ego would report of a heart attack since only with ego there is phenomena, a world, a body and a seeming heart attack.
I know that David has many fans and he did a great job to narrate the life of Bhagavan and basics of his teaching however there is some confusion with him which taints Bhagavan's teachings and one is well advised, IMO, to ignore his books, especially his biographies.
@johnmcdonald260 you are contradicting bhagwan here. Ramana clearly mentioned that japa leads to destruction of mind. I don't have the source at the moment, but I read several times bhagavan mentioning this.
In fact there are many hindu saints who realised through japa.
Thank You! 🙏
When we say I find myself in a world that looks and feels real, like it’s really reality. The reality knows it’s an illusion, reality knows only permanence.
This world appearance is just part of the dream, that exists only as a thought?
Who has come into being to investigate coming into being? Our birth is a thought, that’s all. Ego is the distraction and not the answer to the question who am I. cx
Wonderful talk Michael on the subject of One without a second . 🙏🕉️
With respect though why the need to contemplate the idea of one without a second....just be that one and remain Silent.
With respect though why the need to contemplate the idea of one without a second....just be that one and remain Silent.
Beautiful explanation Michael! One follow up: why is it said that what comes and goes is really not existent? Isn’t there such a thing as existing temporarily? Why is permanence a necessary condition for existence. I know you have said on many occasions that’s it’s a fundamental law. But what’s the intuition behind it? Thank you!
Namaskaram. As Bhagavan said, what actually exists must always exist, because the existence of anything that does not always exist is just a time-bound existence, and hence not real, because time itself is just a temporary appearance with no real existence of its own. It appears with ego in waking and dream, and it disappears with ego in sleep.
Whatever is not permanent comes into existence and ceases to exist, which means that it gains and loses existence, so it is not intrinsically existent. That is, since it gains and loses existence, existence does not actually belong to it (in other words, its existence is not its own), so it must derive or borrow its existence from some other thing, just as gold ornaments borrow their existence from gold, their substance. Therefore, though temporary things seem to exist for a while, they do not actually exist.
What exists and shines permanently is only our own existence, ‘I am’, which is what is called sat-cit (being-awareness), so since all other things are impermanent, the one source from which they must ultimately derive their seeming existence is only this one real existence, namely ātma-svarūpa, ourself as this pure ‘I am’.
Namo Ramanaya
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@chandermatrubhutam2384, how can a temporary thing be of eternal existence ? ☺
@@SriRamanaTeachings Thanks so much! Namo Ramanaya 🙏🙏🙏
a second, there is not Then I, wake up alive, an individual soul in a world separate of god.
Waking up from sleep, in human form, no thing other ever exists not even human birth
What is that which wakes from sleep, is the illusion that I slept and now I am awake. The day begins with the thought I am me, the body ego in this temporary world. The world soul and god are not unreal if I am the witness of three states. cx
Bhagavan taught that that what witnesses the three states is ego and that what we real are is not aware of any states. How can there be 'three' in 'one without a second'? That can only be a confused understanding.
Any "witnessing" is only by ego!
You are One without a second because you are self aware.
If you would not be One without a second, you would not be self aware.
That what is not, cannot be self aware.
Only that what is actually real, is self aware.
There are no 'Others'.
Your comment seems to wrap it up, however there could be possible misunderstandings.
You said and I quote, " [...], 'you' would not be self aware". But there is no "you" or individual or object what is or could be aware of self or pure awareness. What "we" are now aware of is not self but a distorted awareness or objective awareness. To say "there are no others" may be true ultimately however it is not our experience as long as we are aware of others and phenomena.
From our viewpoint being self aware is like deep sleep, all perception of phenomena is gone including a "me", that is truly self. Anything else is an imagination and not self awareness!
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Silence is the heart space.
This place here and now is consciousness. We are that conscious awareness that knows only one-self. The I am is, being in consciousness, where reality appears to be work, rest and play. God, world and man. None of which makes it easy to let go of our hold, on unreality. The mind searches, seeks and desires. Daily rising after a good nights sleep. This Life living is a fabrication, and birth is a lie.
Who is it that does any waking up or going to sleep? Who is doing that? How does the doer of deeds originally appear ?
You say you are born and world appears and you are separate from self and you are aware. Is that possible, if so how?
Follow your guru, investigate, put in the practice, enquire . cx
Succint and true
Ekam Brahma Dvitiya Naasti