How to Develop Hand Independence / Rhythmic Coordination on the Piano (Advanced)
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- In this video we will tackle the common challenge of piano hand independence, with a practical and straightforward approach. We will learn to isolate some of the rhythmic aspects of playing the piano through practice methods derived from the drum and percussion world. With these methods we will understand how to improve our rhythmic coordination and awareness, using ostinatos and accompanying patterns to internalize the subdivision.
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As a drummer (and self taught pianist ;)) with a deep passion for limb independance, I have to say that you taught this thing perfectly. Using those small rhythmic chunks is indeed the best way to internalize any possible placement with any given ostinato. Congrats for your great teaching (and playing) skills ! 👏
Great job! Best video I’ve found so far regarding hand independence
Thank you!!
@@Groovetude Thank YOU!
This guys makes it look so easy, it took me a while to even get the left hand alone right 😆
Anyway great method and great explanation! I'll start integrating this into my daily training routine.
Some tips I found for those who find it too difficult: 1) visualize the beats on a linear graphs, emphasizing the strong beats. Sheet music are sometimes not the most intuitive for time visualization. 2) Try with your hands tapping on your legs first, this is much easier then playing. 3) try playing a single note for each hand, this is must easier then playing the full pattern. 3) try the full pattern.
I think those temporary levels of difficulties will make it easier if going straight into this exercise is too hard for you
Those are good tips. Focusing on the rhythm only is very useful to build coordination gradually.
Glad you find these useful 👍
I really struggled with the left hand too at first, some more tips:
- Use a metronome with 16th note subdivisions. Slow it way down until you get the feel of the riff.
- Play only the first 3 (or even 2) notes of the riff and double them up. This is still plenty challenging for me right now, and allows me to practice all the right hand note groupings.
Definitely a great and deep exercise! I feel I'll be chewing on this for a while :)
Ha, yeah, the (advanced) part is pretty key in the title. I was able to get the left hand up to speed with a metronome quickly enough but even tapping quarter notes with my right hand... woof.
For me, rhythm is my biggest challenge. I'll need much practice for this but I have a goal now.
I’ve been thinking’s about applying drum lessons into my playing for better rhythm coordination and this just makes so much sense. Thank you so much. ❤️
Yes! Drum and percussion methods are surprisingly useful for pianists.
Thank you for watching!🙏
I'm a keyboard player and I took a few drums lessons thinking I'm going to learn about drums to be a better arranger, turns out I learned about rhythm to be a better keyboard player. I definitely recommend this idea.
This is the first time I wish I were able to like a video more than once. Thanks a lot for this - this is a great addition to my practice chart.
Thank you Chris. I'm glad it was helpful!
When you spend some time on UA-cam to finally find a gem like this one is priceless, thanks alot for your work and sharing your knowledge.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Mindblowing :o This video is a masterpiece from the beginning to the end. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Üaaaaaaaaaa aww that's sweet 19
The presentation, timing, and just overall everything about this video is super professional. Fantastic work,
Appreciate it! Glad you enjoyed it!
This is way above my head, but it makes alot of sense for logic approach, I put it in my favorite to come back once I reach this level
Thank you for sharing this professional approach.
You’re welcome. Thank you for watching
Such a lovely, clean lesson. My husband moved the piano so I can play again. Now I have no reason to delay. Thanks for remembering that some of us know our theory, but need motivation from a clear minded instruction to jump back in!
I'm glad you find this helpful. Have fun with it!
Brain.exe has stopped working, hahahaha, that was awesome; great stuff! I've often had the same thought, that what people refer to as hand independence is really hand coordination, at least in the beginning. Some drummers, like Danny Carey, can play multiple different patterns with different limbs, but that's very advanced stuff.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
I've been working on this for about a week (still a novice) and I'm barely at 40bpm. And I'm talking about the 1st module! Great video, I'm adding this to my daily practice routing.
I'm back. I'll work on the left hand pattern and then tackle the right hand. Great concept. Merci beaucoup.
You're welcome. Glad you find these useful!
Very high quality! Amazing video, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks!
I don't have a problem coordinating when reading sheets...the difficulty for me is just sitting at the piano and ear playing!
Thanks for the free pdfs. Greatly appreciated.
Glad you found these useful!
Hand independence has been my holy grail in recent years and your approach to it is just what I've needed. I had believed that I could develop my ability to have both halves of my brain operate as independent entities but that hasn't worked. There may be people who can do it but I'm not one of them. Your technique, with the focus on both hands as a single entity playing rhythmic patterns, is the key. Many thanks.
The thought and work that went into making this video, I'm simply amazed! I've been looking for something like this for years. Thank you so much. And I can only agree with what some already wrote here, drumming patterns and exercises really help understanding time and rhythm and can be applied to improve your piano playing. 👍👍😃
oh wow, never seen this kind of exercises for learning rhythms before. Many thanks for this. That's perfect to stop frozen my brain and mind before going to work. god bless you
You're welcome. I'm glad it was helpful to you!
Ive been able to play my first polyrhythm thanks to your lesson. Thanks a thousand times for your work.
I am very glad that my content is helping you Rémi. Thank you for your words!
How long did it take you to develop hand coordination?
Thank you so much for this video! I´m a classical pianist and I've been struggling with those exercises for a while to master them. They´re great!
Glad you enjoyed it! Hope it will help you improve your skills 👍
@Philidor64 How’s your hand coordination after 2 years?
While I understood what you were doing, this was above my level. I'll come back to this later.
Glad you find it useful!
Great lesson, I really like the use of binary digits applied to rhythm. Super helpful way of organising what to practice.
It does help! It can be a lot to take in without the organization. Thanks Dom!
I know I'm a little bit late to this video but this is truly Amazing how you described everything very detailed and in depth video yet short and sweet really is the best video on hand independence on UA-cam
Wow this really helped with my playing. Thank you!
You are welcome. Glad it helped you!
Best video for hand independence. Brilliant
Thank you!
Your videos are extraordinarily helpful! Good job!
Glad you think so! Thank you!
🙏🏽@@Groovetude
Excellent tutorial !!! Being having alot of "Brain Crash" when when I try to play both hands together (different rhythm). This really helps.
Thank you! Glad you find it useful, I guarantee these methods work.
This is the exact video I needed but holy hell does it hurt my brain a little bit to practice this
I think this is good, the only thing I would add is encouraging the use of melodic shapes earlier on. Even being able to just play a quarter note melody to start can feel very musical, and, depending on the progression, will help you think more about the key and how to phrase a melody which are also important.
Hey man best of luck. You are almost at 1,000 followers! Keep up the good videos :)
Thanks man!🙏 I appreciate it. We’ll get there one day!
I'm about to try this, but fantastic video. Absolutely earned a sub and hope to see you get 1000 subs soon!
Appreciate it, thank you!
I have already came up with this technique to develop the coordination, when I began learning the Amelie Yann Tiersen song, as a beginner.
Glad to hear. It does work well!
thank you for the exercise. nicely explained.
You are welcome!
Thank you for sharing this. This is a gem.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching
I'm learning piano on my own and this video is worth it's weight in gold ❤️ 🖤
So much helpful and to the point🤘
(Thankfully videos don't weigh 😄)
Glad you find it useful! Thank you for your words
This is exactly the video i was looking for
Glad you find it useful!
These videos are incredibly well made.
Glad you enjoy them!
This video is incredibly useful. I love the scientific approach of practicing, one by one. And the drummer way of thinking is the right way to do it. Thank you for your amazing job!
Glad you find it useful! Thank you!🙏
Thank you so much! Been looking for someone to explain it like this
This is just what I need. Thank you!
Why does this video not have more views is beyond me :O
Thank you
@@Groovetude no I gotta thank YOU. This was so helpful!!
These exercises are so good that they fried my connected brain circuits 😝. The best video of hand independence I've come across.
Thank you!
I had such a hard time after step 1 until I slowed it down to .5 speed. Was able to visualize where each note landed within the rhythm.
That is awesome! Will probably apply that when I'll be working on some complex left hand patterns!
Thank you!🙏 It really works. After you practice all the combinations for a while, you will notice a big difference in your skills.
Your videos are always amazing!
Thank you! I appreciate your support🙏
This was so helpful! Thanks alottt buddy! The entire video is worth watching! ♥️💜
Glad it was helpful! Thank you
This is just what I needed!!! Thank you!
Thank you Sir 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Are you a drummer bro cuz that what i do on the drums i play every possible rhythmic combination so I can play freely on the drums
I’m not a drummer but I take a lot of inspiration from drum methods. They transfer very well into the piano and they work!
Thank you for the great video!
i did IT YAAAAAAAY
Practice starts at 5:31
To Groovetude -
Thank you for putting together this innovative and extremely useful (albeit challenging) approach to developing hand indepen...excuse me... hand coordination. Hand coordination - particularly rhythmic hand coordination - is one of the skills I most struggle with developing as an intermediate keyboard player. I have always wondered if those who have mastered this simply have a differently wired brain that enables them to simultaneously monitor and control both hands. Or instead is it more a case of focusing on and having full awareness and control over the resulting COMBINED rhythmic pattern that is revealed by the individual rhythms playing together? It seems to me that the foundation of the exercises in this Groovetude video is in fact based upon the latter approach - namely to focus on the combined pattern that is revealed by the hands together. Is that an accurate observation?
Excellent!
Amazing
Do you have any courses on paradiddles and parameters from beginners to advanced. This how I’d like to play as this rhythm runs through my body but hard to play on piano. Will be constantly practicing but if you have any courses I’d love to do as I’m a big fan of you and your paras and params are the ultimate best in UA-cam.
absolutely great content!
Thank you, glad you enjoy it!
Good stuff!
Thank you!
Great video! I'm only 6 months into piano, but love syncopated genres like Jazz and Funk - so this looks like something I'll need to work up to.
So far I've found myself sight reading melodies and harmonies, but relying on videos of other people playing to work out rhythms. I'm also not one to count rhythm while I practice. How important is counting? Do people still do it much later in their music careers?
Thank you! It is advanced, but I'm glad you find it helpful!
Counting is important. Not necessary to do it out loud, but what really matters is having awareness of how the rhythms you play align to the pulse and to the measure. The goal is to understand rhythm in relationship to a pulse and not to only memorize how it sounds by ear. At some point, the "counting" becomes internalized and you can just feel the pulse and subconsciously know where you are. The way to get there is to always count and use a metronome anytime you practice or learn new music.
thank you so much for this!!! 🙂
You're welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Loved this … just wish you also illustrated at a slower pace to help get the hang of it …. Great practice tool😊
True. Tempo is a bit fast for focused practice, but you can always play around with the playback speed setting. Glad you enjoyed it!
amazing nice 🎉
wow!!!!! This is sooooo goood...TY
You're welcome. Glad it's helpful!
Thank you ......I love this..
You're welcome! Glad you enjoy it!
Great video! I wish I was advance enough to understand this thoa😕🥺
Thank you! You can try the same method with an easier left hand pattern if that helps!
Everything I want to learn. Their is always science involved.
Glad you enjoy this approach!
Hi! I love this videos. Will you upload the sheet of the rag noir someday? Or can I buy a copy from you in some way? Saludosss
Amazing hard lesson. Thank u
You’re welcome!
I want to study with you. Is it possible?
Yes! I have openings. Contact me through this page: www.groovetude.com/private-lessons , or you can also send me an email directly to groovetude1@gmail.com and we can work something out.
god bless you bro!
Thank you!
Can you show me how to take the chords and add rhythm to them?
Is the bassline based on any existing song or style? It sounds good
so hard. thank you
You're welcome!
Genius!
Thank you!
Hey man! I'm glad you are doing well with your channel. Will you upload someday the rag noir sheet? I want to buy it since the video came out
Hey. Send me an email at groovetude1@gmail.com
@@Groovetude sent a couple of days ago!
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I’m giving up man, as soon as even begin to move my right hand my left hand just completely fumbles every single time, this is just too much
How do we mentally sub-divide each beat into quarter beats, to hit the right hand note? I could only hit it in sync with the left note.. Even the metronome is not playing those sub-divisions..
You can try speaking a 4 syllable word on each beat or simply counting 1234 fast on each beat, that should help you get the feel for the subdivision. If this is your first time trying out any kind of 16th note syncopation, I would suggest for you to try something way simpler. This exercise is very challenging!
@Groovetude Indeed, I tried the same thing (splitting into 16) as I checked out some drumming videos too. I could figure out the correct accents. Thanks!
The only problem that remains now is doing left hand 16th note and right quarter note accents together.
In fact, I realized there is an irony here. We do have a sense of correct rhythm in our brain that helps us align the left hand pattern with random accents correctly & repeatedly. But the problem appears only when we try to divide that equally (with right hand) to add accents simultaneously while playing the left hand accents.
Hand-coordination is an essential skill for Piano-playing and one can't go too far without it. Knowing music theory doesn't help here either.
I reckon I have to give up now. I have been singing all the while and never had rhythm issues while singing. But this is probably the end of what I can achieve on Piano :(
You need to start with way simpler patterns and work your way up to something like this very slowly. It takes a long time to develop these skills. Drum videos are usually very helpful for this topic. Keep learning and don't get discouraged. Good luck
@@Groovetude Thanks, perhaps I need to approach it differently with simpler patterns.
One more strange thing I found - Substituting mouth for the left hand pattern and still using the right hand for quarter notes also works. But then it doesn't remain a hand-coordination thing any more..
Thank you so much
You’re welcome!
Awesome video and exercises José. Never seen one like it aimed at piano. Reminds me a lot of drum practice I used to do to achieve limb independance.
Maybe this question is obvious, and I suspect the answer to be yes, but will practicing these exercises aid the right hand when improvising over looped chord progressions for example? Giving it more freedom to play inbetween the beat and perhaps aid the left hand in adding extra bass notes off beat too? Just curious to know if it would apply to "real world" playing once the brain has the feelings locked in
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it!
These methods will help you with anything that involves two handed coordination. You can apply it to any chord progression, just make sure you create some kind of repetitive left hand accompaniment pattern and stick to it. You need some kind of steady framework that keeps you accountable and forces you to be rhythmically aware of everything you play. You can also flip the hands and play something repetitive on the right hand and practice developing improvisational freedom on the left hand.
@@Groovetude Thabks dude 👍
My struggling. 🤨
Tks for the instructions.
I will put it in my daily routine practice .
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Glad you find it helpful!
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Thank you!🙏
@@Groovetude no dude, THANK YOU, im showing all my friends this
İncredible thank you
Glad you think so. Thank you
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don't mind me just putting a time stamp here to practice
I really need you to teach me this with all rhythms so I can do this kind of work on my own please 🙏🏾
Glad you enjoy the content! Reach out to groovetude1@gmail.com if you are interested in private lessons
Hey, I received you email but I don't think I can reply to it because it came from a text to email service. Please share an email address where I can reply to
Easier said than done
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This is exactly the problem I got.. I have to record each part separately to handle this problem
Try to focus less on separating parts and more on coordination and combinations of patterns. Good luck!
@@Groovetude True that, but the brain just breaks at that point as you mentioned in your video. Trying to do the exercises you mentioned, but not sure I understood those too well.
Is this supposed to be for beginners? If so im no where close to beginners. Maybe i should sell my piano already.
2:27 LOL
i can't do the second and third cell for the 1 note per group for some reason. Any tips?
Those two are the hardest ones! I would recommend you figure out exactly where they land in relationship to the left hand and then slowly practice the whole two handed rhythmic structure, thinking of it as one unit and not as separate hands. As you gradually get more comfortable with it, you will start feeling it as two separate parts. Also remember to not shift your perception of the pulse and to practice with a metronome to keep yourself in check.
@@Groovetude thanks! will do. I've been applying this technique to other, more simpler pieces, and found that this technique works pretty great so far. It's just that the example shown in the video has a bit of a challenging rhythm. Thanks for the great work!
Glad to hear it's been helping you. It does work for any kind of pattern, practicing these kind of things has made a huge impact in my playing. So far I find it the most efficient way to develop rhythmic skill and coordination. Thank you for watching!
My brain.exe stopped responding after watching this video
Hahaha, reboot and try again 👍
Hi great lesson can you give an easier line for left hand please.
Yes, will probably do an easier version of this at some point. Glad you enjoyed it!
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Why do you assume I know how to read notes?
I can’t even do the first exercise, my right hand always instinctually develops the rhythm of the left hand and I can’t do anything about it.
Don't get discouraged. I would suggest you try something easier, these examples are for advanced players
You sound and feel left out.
Usually always down to a misunderstanding unique to the player (you have to have random things that others can do easily be hard and sometimes invisible to just you alone)
I recommend you attempt an exercise with notes you prefer rather than 'first exercise'.
*Not something you really like though*, as that is already playable and part of your team and requires minimal efforts to achieve.
This most likely won't work either.
This being said, still go ahead with it by mapping/preparing/setting your fingers on the keys with out pushing down.
Attempt the rhythm of the exercise by tapping the keys lightly enough not make them sound.
If this is definitely not feeling likely to be successful.
The other way is the illogical discordant way of attempting it with the worst choice of notes you would ever choose/recommend.
Make the right and left hands choice of notes sound good when played by them selves, but are extremely discordant when played together.
Still nothing??
Put your hands closer together.
or double the length of your notes (½note = 1 note)
Also, the first example recomended of anything is commonly not suitable as it is usually decided by a person who is capable of all the exercises and much more. Their judgments of what's best for the level you are now at, can be 10-30 years more attempted and richer in sound by the time they get to release a book or suggest.
I know you will not even consider these let alone attempt them, in which case i wish you peace.
Regards
Left out sucks!!
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tooooo technical only he can undrsatand
Click bait it happens naturally the more you play