@@benberk8541 i work at tech support, and we had a guy there talking about how drunk he was that weekend and how much he messed up etc, a few minutes later he hears someone in the headset sighing and asks "are you done talking about how drunk you were yet?" the expression on his face when he realised he had been on a call for 5 minutes talking about drinking while on the job.. priceless xDD (our phones autoconnect to calls and we hear a tone when the call starts, he must have missed the sound)
Holy nuts man, you are firing on all cylinders and not repeating yourself. You've taken your casting to yet another level. So stoked to see you succeed! ☺️
Spirit of the Crusade here: Mangudai take a lot of upgrades, but even before DE they werent the most upgraded unit. That distinction goes to the Berber Camel archer, who gets all attack upgrades, blacksmith defense upgrades, stable upgrades, university upgrades, and thumb ring from the archery range. They dont get parthian tactics, but Mongols dont get the final archer blacksmith upgrade, so its a trade. Where Berber camel archers come out on top is that they also get a Unique tech, Maghrabi Camels, which causes them to regenerate, so Camel archers are effected by 13 upgrades (including the Elite upgrade) As of DE, Konniks take the most, requiring 15 upgrades, as they require full uprades from the stable, barracks, both armor upgrades for cav and infantry from the blacksmith, melee attack, and a unique tech from the castle EDIT - As pointed out by Michael Otis, Magyar HCA actually require 14 upgrades prior to (and also in) DE, as they are fully upgraded CA (13 upgrades) and they also get a unique tech for a total of 14
I'll be dropping by on Thursday for a while, I hope. Also, awesome Sabaton reference. Someday, we need to figure out how to make a map that can fit every civ simultaneously and hold a FFA with pros playing every civ.
Champion spam actually is a potential counter to celt death ball. Yes a lot of them would die on the approach but they counter pikes well and they only cost 20 gold a piece. I think that would have made a difference here.
Did you see what happened to approaching Huszars? They have a bigger model so theyre not as bunched up as Champions and move a lot faster and still couldnt even reach the Onagers. SO in the choke is just too much to deal with without BC as Mangudai cannot micro them down as effectively as in open area. Id say making your own SO with Drill and sending 3 in at a time for a suicide attack ground is the most promising strat as that would result in favorable SO trades and without them being massed the Mangudai would become effective counter again.
Farming in dark age? Villager violence? If you'd told me this was Low ELO Legends. I would have believed it for the first seven minutes til they both pulled off ideal fast castle runs within seconds of each other.
The overlay covers too much of the screen imo. For example the area around the map could be transparent. Also the text in the command panel is unfortunately colored. The top ressource bar is very cool though, maybe add a vill icon for the vill counts on the ressources.
I really like the top bar, my suggestion would be to put the map in the corner and shrink it down along with the KD/Relic count panel to match the panel height below the scores.
true, many things on the bottom can be shrink a little bit and some can be move to the top and I'm totally agreed with the transparent area around the map. the black cover is totally unnecessary.
@@MatthewHopkinsWitchfinder the bottom is not done yet. it will be adjusted to work with T90s OBS design for the tournament stream and be much less intrusive.
I agree, but they might not have had enouth time to add it yet. In fact I am impressed with what they managed in a few months, my guess is the most important thing for T90 is that it actually works in the HC3 event.
Outmicroing 24 siegr onagers just takes up so much attention that it is hard to make it worth. "Oh great I managed to kill two of his onager, meanwhile he produced 5 more and I stoped production for 20 seconds and the rest of my army was idle
In addition to Hawkens answer: Another problem was that BF is not exactly a map for micronerds. Daut was just missing the open space to dance aroujnd, instead his units usually only had one possibility to advance, making it quite easy for mbl to set his attack grounds.
@@zelikris This kind of garbage only works in fantasy, you really do not want your armor to get stuck on enemies, walls, ground etc. and also impede and restrict your movement. Thorns/spikes/etc. would also severely harm the deflection that armor heavily relies upon, by catching enemy weapons and letting them deliver full impact, instead of a glancing blow.
Anyone can do T90s job. A special needs kid from Cambodia can too even. The overlay wasn't even made by him, he already knows what happens in the videos before we see them, and not to mention he's not even funny 99% of the time. He just got lucky and people started watching his videos.
@@Patton243 u r just a jealous piece of shit undermining other's achievements, im not particulary fan of t90 he is by far not my favorite aoe content creator, however dont bash others because you never could do what they did, if he has an audience, many views for his videos and a vibrant commumity, its for a reason and those people watching him arent dumb, unlike you.
Looking forward to HC3 and so glad I stumbled across your channel - the last time I played AoE2 was when I had 56kbps internet speed, and played against the AI. Seeing the high level play is a mixture of nostalgia and excitement, especially since I always loved the random map generation of the game. Definitely a pick me up with how everything is. Good luck with it all!
Wouldn't a counter to the Celt deathball involve a whole lot of bombard cannons and some fairly ranged unit capable of defending the cannons mixed with some trash cav to spam in the middle ?
I had thought he would protect the bottleneck with trebs much earlier when it mattered while waiting for bombards as you said, and in the meantime building a massive cheap calvary army split to attack on all sides. I don't understand why he hung to the arched cavalry, seemed like the worst match. I am actually impressed he managed to survive so long.
I think as mongols the best approach to killing the celt deathball is to go for SO yourself early and send in one or two at a time using the speed, you should always get good trades because they have clumped up SO and you only have one. Hopefully this keeps the numbers down enough that your mangudai can pick off stray halbs and your lc can engage or they will run out of gold eventually while you can still afford mangudai. I saw someone doing this against viper in a michi game ages ago.
I'm not too familiar with aoe2 but since the other 50% was siege onagers is there really a good counter in this situation? doing his own siege which is worse in general and against a more experienced/higher skill player infantery would be near impossible to dodge with, I'd say he did pretty good
@@brohvakiindova4452 Mongol Onagers would be good vs the halbs. Or Skirmishers If you use Mongol Onagers, then yours are always faster than that of the Celts. Yes the Celts have more HP but that doesn't mean much when they can't land a hit. The Skirmishers are more of a throw away unit with bonus against Halberdiers. Yes there are better options, like Archers, but they are expensive. Just a few Skirms running into halbs to get shot by onagers, teamkilling them is good. But they need cav to deal the finishing blow. And to be fair, this requires a lot more multitasking that is incredibly difficult for a human to pull of...
@@brohvakiindova4452 How is Mbl higher skilled or more experienced than DauT? They are both some of the best players. Maybe he could have made more siege onagers of his own. He lost too many mangudai against the siege onagers, but his hussars were great. Skirmishers or arbalests do nothing here, they just get killed by the onagers. A possible choice would have been champions in my opinion, but it's expensive and takes time to get all the upgrades and build the barracks. But the champions could take out the halbs, and with the right micro, also the SO.
@@peterpeterson4800 last time I checked the top list was basically reversed mbl in top 3 and daut around top 10 but I guess it doesn't mean that much so nevermind that^^
I really like your videos. I'm new and don't understand all of aoe2, so it's fun to watch commentary that is more knowledgeable about what is actually going on.
Hot DANG!!! This is such an inspiring game. One of these days, I'll start playing online games and when I do, I just hope I can be even half this good.
Honestly, I was a bit afraid of the new CA overlay for being too big, but watching for a while, it's fine (+ the ability to remove the upgrades helped when it lost importance). Big thing is being able to see the resources and population of both players at the same time at all times, that's what I have always wanted so much. By the way, Hidden Caster Cup ? So that is why Dave is muted.. that guy takes too few breaks from that tournament, don't you think ?
Age of empires is an easy game to play but really difficult to master. The amount of army micromanaging while resource managing is just very difficult to master imo.
This has been bothering me for quite some time now: while the onagers are idle, why not use them to destroy palisades and walls? Doesn't seem like it would cost anything, so might as well, right?
Ok, overlay feedback time. I feel like the resources are displayed way too big, I would make the bar at least 25% less thick if not half. Same goes for the player names on the top, you could have the names smaller and have a good amount of the information that now lies underneath the names right in that section, instead. I also feel the bottom part of the overlay is a bit too big. I realize part of it won't be visible for HC3 but it still feels thick to me. Maybe condense a bit the minimap and the Lower left section but not too much, I'd imagine it won't be much use with 8 players if it's too small. Function suggestion: have an hotkey to completely hide the overlay, it might be useful for thumbnails or if you want to really "savor" the moment, like a big SO hit Finally, an aesthetic feedback, so really not mandatory or needed, but the black modern design kinda clashes with the game aesthetic. I would go for a parchment background and a medieval border, somewhat similar to AoE's original, but I realise that would be far from the twitch stile of T90, so maybe make the background a much lighter gray with a canvas texture and a relief decoration border in black and gray and that could fit the casting stile a bit more, but both solutions would get rid of the "dark text not visible" problem
I just saw the "Top10 Nerfs in AoEDE" Video, but misread it as Top10 Nerds... T90 I think thats a video idea for you where you rank the biggest micronerds^^
I had just finished two Low ELO legends videos and started this one not realizing it also wasn't low ELO legends for about five minutes. The villagers attacking the walls within that timeframe did not help me correct my error.
This is bad.. Move the minimap to the corner and make the players menu way way smaller, there is too little space to see the actual game....too bloated
t90, i have started playing age again after ages today! been watching videos quite often and was able to 1v1 the AI on the first 3 games, going up difficulty on each! thanks! (also, damn, the pros make it looks so easy!)
Eu faço isso E consigo ótimos resultados, já fiz 2000 kills, perdendo apenas 100 unidades... adiciono canhões E arqueiros, canhões no modo defesa, arqueiros deixo no modo posição fixa, E mando os arqueiros seguir os carros. Aliado a isso, eu fixo 4 estábulos para enviar scouts contra os villagers do inimigo. =========================Então fica manual onager + defense canons+ fixed archers following onager automatic ....... + spawn de scouts.
Hey T90, just amazing work. Thank you for everything! POSITIVE CONSTRUTUCTIVE FEEDBACK ON OVERLAY:: 11. Amazing, its great. I love it! 22. Overall its uses a lot of the space. I would place gametime down by the map opposite CA/HC3 e.g. 33. I would have the res info sligthly smaller font so as not take up less space. Having said these things, its just minors things, overall its amazing! I hope you see my input. HYYYPE, see you thursday !
36:37 yes daut played it extremely badly. Primarily because of the way ppl tend to be stubborn about playing mongols . For starters he lost a huge number of mangudai to onager shots and he kept recreating them to die again and again. The problem lies imo in how ppl "stereotype" civs in aoe2. For example, nobody denies the power of mangudai but in this case you just need the first 3p mangudai you had to not die, and spice things up with other unit types. Every mangudai you loze could've been 3-5 skirms mongols skirms have bad rep as well as champions. But why are skirms with bad rep? Because they don't have final armor upgrade WHICH does not affect this match up " as MBL used zero foot archer" So daut could have been throwing skirms randomly to " tickel and annoy and distract" MB. Skirms are bad vs onagers but they are not bad if you don't mass them so if 10 skirms are hitting from 10 different locations they will be annoying although they are not rrally doing all that much "but they will trim the hrlbs constantly which could've created an oprning for hussars" Other bad rep is mongols champions, why? No supplies? Well how about you only rrally nred 10-20 champions to be there which will threatrn helbs to ever advance. And the helbs DID advance and win the game by killing the economy. ALL those 30+ helps would've been dealt with eith 10 max tech champs and the 20-30 mangudai that should've been alive and never died in thr first place. If skirms 10-20 skirms from 10 srchery ranges are being thrown away at the helbs, and hussars constantly threaten the onagers advance, and a bunch of 10 champioms spectating and weaving their swords, then the onagers can't advance to take out the trebs even in a suicide attack as helbs can't cover for them with skirms and champs blocking their way and hussars trying to gdt the onagers .
Hi T90, My comment would be more info on market purchases for wood , stone , gold, food and also how much each has sold in the overlay... You can use toggle options for the same.... For tech Tree , it is better to add toggle between military and economy . Also you can add total number of gold, stone, wood, food available in map as it was in HC2.. For what Daut, could have done differently, he could have added petard.... Since no archers... They could have obliterated the composition... Petards,Hassars, then Elite Magandai to support them... In that composition, everything would fall apart if played correctly.. Thanks...
wouldn't a switch to a full ram-champion push from daut win him the game? just spam 10 mongol rams with 6 champions (they would run like a cavarly) and destroy those onagers. If they pikemen were to kill you, just extract those champions from the rams, and kill everything. I dunno, it seemed easy to me, maybe i am missing something
Poor micro from Daut. He wasted many mangudais by fighting MBL's siege onagers with arrows. Instead, I would have used Mongols faster siege onagers to conterattack them. It is worth remembering that, in massive onager struggles, the Celtic bonus (Furor Celtica) is less effective due to the damage area. Moreover, Daut could also have cut more trees in order to outflank the enemy siege with hussars. Fighting Celtic onagers and halberdiers in tight spaces is obsviously a suicide.
I'd say Celts are probably 1 or 2 on Black Forest. Koreans right with them too. But I still like Goths for BF. You can spam infantry all day into their Siege and you have Hussars and Bombard Cannons as well.
I think Daut lost this in his Micro. Granted its still way better than I could pull off but the numbers of mangudai losses, especially early was crippling. He needed to create more groups for his troops and stop pooling them together. If you run 3-4 separate small groups of hussars at the onagers, you increase his chances of friendly firing on himself, and you get more penetration past the halbs and onto SO's. Great game though!
I'll never understand the whole mangudai need the most upgrades. Even back in AOC it wasn't true. Turk cav archers need 2 more with the last archer armor plus sapahi. Also Magyar and tatars cav archers are the same. Mongols don't get last archer armor and don't have UT for mangudai
I think what he could have done was to combat the halbadiers with some standard archers. They don't cost gold, and put them on spread formation to cover more area. Helps against the SO's plus covers more area and allows the Mangudai to pass through. Once most of the halbs are down, charge the SO's with the Mangudai. Other than that there wasn't much that Daut could have done. MBL must be able to process a LOT of actions per second and is a MUCH better micromanager than anyone I've seen lmao
MbL managing to not smite his own army in all that chaos is one of the most impressive AOE2 performances I've ever seen.
23:20 is Spirit of the Law intro
"Cut the ontage."
Honestly that was the moment he started to lose imo.
That was so satisfying.
-plays guitar-
I see you are a man of culture as well.
You should cast more Black Forest maps, especially 3v3 ones.
Praise Lord DauT
27:57 HO-LY-SHIT I thought the outcome there was going to be completely different.
This is one of the more exciting games I've seen. Constant combat with actually decent sized armies- not just a quick rush.
Adding black forest to hidden cup may be interesting especially for older players. It is reminiscent of those gold old days.
Imagine if the first map was Black Forest and random draw from their civ picks. That would be epic.
Actually maybe give the players the option to exclude one civ pick from random draw.
What if Viking is the only civ you can pick in the map?
@@brambillafumagalli8122 What if this is the plan for HC4 and Fatslob already has a place in it ? Just glorious.
Gotta start Arabia, it is the original standard AOE.
How about BF second game and ur opponent picks ur civ blind?
“Wait was my mic muted??” That’s got to be the worst feeling ever....
not as bad as wait was my mic not muted?
Berk Senemoglu XD
@@benberk8541 i work at tech support, and we had a guy there talking about how drunk he was that weekend and how much he messed up etc, a few minutes later he hears someone in the headset sighing and asks "are you done talking about how drunk you were yet?"
the expression on his face when he realised he had been on a call for 5 minutes talking about drinking while on the job.. priceless xDD
(our phones autoconnect to calls and we hear a tone when the call starts, he must have missed the sound)
@@mithshude Thats hillarious
@@mithshude Big L.O.L.
Damn when I played as a kid siege units stressed me out so much lmao.
Holy nuts man, you are firing on all cylinders and not repeating yourself. You've taken your casting to yet another level. So stoked to see you succeed! ☺️
Spirit of the Crusade here:
Mangudai take a lot of upgrades, but even before DE they werent the most upgraded unit. That distinction goes to the Berber Camel archer, who gets all attack upgrades, blacksmith defense upgrades, stable upgrades, university upgrades, and thumb ring from the archery range. They dont get parthian tactics, but Mongols dont get the final archer blacksmith upgrade, so its a trade. Where Berber camel archers come out on top is that they also get a Unique tech, Maghrabi Camels, which causes them to regenerate, so Camel archers are effected by 13 upgrades (including the Elite upgrade)
As of DE, Konniks take the most, requiring 15 upgrades, as they require full uprades from the stable, barracks, both armor upgrades for cav and infantry from the blacksmith, melee attack, and a unique tech from the castle
EDIT - As pointed out by Michael Otis, Magyar HCA actually require 14 upgrades prior to (and also in) DE, as they are fully upgraded CA (13 upgrades) and they also get a unique tech for a total of 14
cool
Solid Stuff. Thanks :)
D E U S V E U L T i wish EoE got the DE treatment it deserves the cheating ai is still too stong these days xd
Forgot monastery upgrades!
I'll be dropping by on Thursday for a while, I hope.
Also, awesome Sabaton reference.
Someday, we need to figure out how to make a map that can fit every civ simultaneously and hold a FFA with pros playing every civ.
The overlay is GORGEOUS
Like GORGEOUS of GORGEOUS Freeman?
PS: ua-cam.com/video/l1SvvagUGuU/v-deo.html
“Who need Fatslob now you have DauT”?
Now I'm offended!
WE NEED FATSLOB!
i can look at the overlay and instantly know how a game is shaping up in both a macro and micro sense. it's a good overlay.
THE HYPE!!! Even my mother was like"what is going on??" when the winged hussars arrived
can we maybe get control groups added to the capture age, would really like to learn on that aspect of pro players!
Champion spam actually is a potential counter to celt death ball. Yes a lot of them would die on the approach but they counter pikes well and they only cost 20 gold a piece. I think that would have made a difference here.
Imagine finding this YTP legend here!
@@lineriderrulz Haha lmao thanks! I love AOE2 I have been playing it on and off since 2000. So funny how often people run into each other on youtube.
It’s really difficult in choke points. Champion + Drill Siege Onager could work though.
Did you see what happened to approaching Huszars? They have a bigger model so theyre not as bunched up as Champions and move a lot faster and still couldnt even reach the Onagers. SO in the choke is just too much to deal with without BC as Mangudai cannot micro them down as effectively as in open area. Id say making your own SO with Drill and sending 3 in at a time for a suicide attack ground is the most promising strat as that would result in favorable SO trades and without them being massed the Mangudai would become effective counter again.
35:16 T90: "And the TING TING TING as the Pointy Bois raid."
I like that line. It hit the ear just right.
Farming in dark age? Villager violence?
If you'd told me this was Low ELO Legends. I would have believed it for the first seven minutes til they both pulled off ideal fast castle runs within seconds of each other.
The overlay covers too much of the screen imo. For example the area around the map could be transparent. Also the text in the command panel is unfortunately colored.
The top ressource bar is very cool though, maybe add a vill icon for the vill counts on the ressources.
I really like the top bar, my suggestion would be to put the map in the corner and shrink it down along with the KD/Relic count panel to match the panel height below the scores.
true, many things on the bottom can be shrink a little bit and some can be move to the top and I'm totally agreed with the transparent area around the map. the black cover is totally unnecessary.
agree. all the black/grey is really distracting and covers too much
@@MatthewHopkinsWitchfinder the bottom is not done yet. it will be adjusted to work with T90s OBS design for the tournament stream and be much less intrusive.
@@nbrain1595 Thanks for the info!
Looking forward for tomorrow!
15:15 love how MBL goes in with the onagers, sees the castle with garrisoned units and immediately turns back
“Who’s being killed by the Coronavirus?”
* T90 at 15:58 *
aka the boomer consumer
hahahaha
LMFAO
HAHAHAH top comment LOL
this feels like it comes down to how good the Celt player is...a few micro mistakes and MbL would be so fucked, but damn he was good.
I miss the stat for how much of each resource is remaining on the map.
I agree, but they might not have had enouth time to add it yet. In fact I am impressed with what they managed in a few months, my guess is the most important thing for T90 is that it actually works in the HC3 event.
machine gun onagers
Daut: I hear that mangudais counter siege so I'll send a lot of them to the face of siege onagers without trying to micro:D
Outmicroing 24 siegr onagers just takes up so much attention that it is hard to make it worth. "Oh great I managed to kill two of his onager, meanwhile he produced 5 more and I stoped production for 20 seconds and the rest of my army was idle
In addition to Hawkens answer: Another problem was that BF is not exactly a map for micronerds. Daut was just missing the open space to dance aroujnd, instead his units usually only had one possibility to advance, making it quite easy for mbl to set his attack grounds.
27:58 When I find some spare change in a jacket I haven't worn for a while.
17:58 "You need defensive armor as well" - What's an offensive armor?
armor with obscenities written over it.
@@Johnnywilsonforever But that would only be offensive to thin skinned opponents.
Thornmail
@@zelikris This kind of garbage only works in fantasy, you really do not want your armor to get stuck on enemies, walls, ground etc. and also impede and restrict your movement. Thorns/spikes/etc. would also severely harm the deflection that armor heavily relies upon, by catching enemy weapons and letting them deliver full impact, instead of a glancing blow.
ONES WITH SPIKES AND GUNS AHAHAHAAHHAHAA
27:57 Then the Winged Hussars arrived, and perished in flame
you forgot ballistics while listing mangudai upgrades
Anyone can do T90s job. A special needs kid from Cambodia can too even. The overlay wasn't even made by him, he already knows what happens in the videos before we see them, and not to mention he's not even funny 99% of the time. He just got lucky and people started watching his videos.
@@Patton243 why don't you cry somewhere else mate?
@@Patton243 you are human trash.
@@Patton243 u r just a jealous piece of shit undermining other's achievements, im not particulary fan of t90 he is by far not my favorite aoe content creator, however dont bash others because you never could do what they did, if he has an audience, many views for his videos and a vibrant commumity, its for a reason and those people watching him arent dumb, unlike you.
@@Patton243 You're a negative POS. I can see your other comments and you have nothing worthwhile to say
the animation of the buildings falling is beautiful in this version
So much satisfaction in destroying castles and wonders!
Looking forward to HC3 and so glad I stumbled across your channel - the last time I played AoE2 was when I had 56kbps internet speed, and played against the AI. Seeing the high level play is a mixture of nostalgia and excitement, especially since I always loved the random map generation of the game.
Definitely a pick me up with how everything is. Good luck with it all!
@T90 I'm only UA-cam spectator but I will show up for HC3 live.. :)
Same deal with HC4? ;)
@@ddljunkygames7654 why not!? Count me in. :)
The ease of access for information from this new overlay is spectacular. What an amazing upgrade.
WHEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED, COMING SOWN THEY literaly just die
Daut should have made champs
agree
Sabaton reference!!!! Finally!!!! That's all I can think when there's Winged Hussars on the battlefield.
The top menu is on point, tho it could be made smaller too, let the game breath :)
I like seeing mangudai destroyed. It gives me hope.
Wouldn't a counter to the Celt deathball involve a whole lot of bombard cannons and some fairly ranged unit capable of defending the cannons mixed with some trash cav to spam in the middle ?
I had thought he would protect the bottleneck with trebs much earlier when it mattered while waiting for bombards as you said, and in the meantime building a massive cheap calvary army split to attack on all sides. I don't understand why he hung to the arched cavalry, seemed like the worst match. I am actually impressed he managed to survive so long.
I think as mongols the best approach to killing the celt deathball is to go for SO yourself early and send in one or two at a time using the speed, you should always get good trades because they have clumped up SO and you only have one. Hopefully this keeps the numbers down enough that your mangudai can pick off stray halbs and your lc can engage or they will run out of gold eventually while you can still afford mangudai. I saw someone doing this against viper in a michi game ages ago.
In the old version onagers fired glowing red ammo once chemistry was researched. It would make sense that was needed to burn down trees.
Yeßss
"Ah his army is 50% halberdiers...better run directly into him with exclusively cavalry over and over and over until I lose."
I'm not too familiar with aoe2 but since the other 50% was siege onagers is there really a good counter in this situation? doing his own siege which is worse in general and against a more experienced/higher skill player
infantery would be near impossible to dodge with, I'd say he did pretty good
@@brohvakiindova4452 Mongol Onagers would be good vs the halbs.
Or Skirmishers
If you use Mongol Onagers, then yours are always faster than that of the Celts.
Yes the Celts have more HP but that doesn't mean much when they can't land a hit.
The Skirmishers are more of a throw away unit with bonus against Halberdiers.
Yes there are better options, like Archers, but they are expensive.
Just a few Skirms running into halbs to get shot by onagers, teamkilling them is good.
But they need cav to deal the finishing blow.
And to be fair, this requires a lot more multitasking that is incredibly difficult for a human to pull of...
@@brohvakiindova4452 How is Mbl higher skilled or more experienced than DauT? They are both some of the best players. Maybe he could have made more siege onagers of his own.
He lost too many mangudai against the siege onagers, but his hussars were great. Skirmishers or arbalests do nothing here, they just get killed by the onagers. A possible choice would have been champions in my opinion, but it's expensive and takes time to get all the upgrades and build the barracks. But the champions could take out the halbs, and with the right micro, also the SO.
@@peterpeterson4800 last time I checked the top list was basically reversed mbl in top 3 and daut around top 10 but I guess it doesn't mean that much so nevermind that^^
Why no steppe lancers? I think that would be the way against celts siege and halbs
Why doesn't daut make champions? They can rush and kill haberdiers AND onagers alike.
The battle when MBL opened through forest and Manugdai rushed and were lost to siege was where I think MBL got the lead.
Seeing as he asked nicely:
Magudai 12 techs (3050 food, 550 wood, 1850 gold)
Konnik: 15 techs (3545 food, 2095 gold)
Did you add in ballistics? that's one he forgot to mention
@@stuartmacaulay5761 it was a while ago now but I'm fairly certain I did. I made a physical list and everything.
"Looks like a game against the AI"
Yeah me too, but I'm DauT.
holy shit, i never knew aoe2 can be so intense, i been playing with bots my whole life, scenario editor haha
Mangudai upgrades: Archer Armor x3, Archer Attack x3, Parthian Tactics, Thumb Ring, Chemistry, Ballistics, Bloodlines, Husbandry, Elite Mangudai = 13
Konnik upgrades: Cav Armor x3, Infantry Armor x3, Melee Attack x3, Bloodlines, Husbandry, Squires, Arson, Stirrups, Elite Konnik = 15
except Mongols don't get the 3rd archer armor
First (love you vids t90, cant wait for HC3, I'm getting all the guys to watch)
I've rarely seen MBL lose. Only ever seen him lose to the Viper, that's about it.
I really like your videos. I'm new and don't understand all of aoe2, so it's fun to watch commentary that is more knowledgeable about what is actually going on.
Hot DANG!!! This is such an inspiring game. One of these days, I'll start playing online games and when I do, I just hope I can be even half this good.
Honestly, I was a bit afraid of the new CA overlay for being too big, but watching for a while, it's fine (+ the ability to remove the upgrades helped when it lost importance). Big thing is being able to see the resources and population of both players at the same time at all times, that's what I have always wanted so much.
By the way, Hidden Caster Cup ? So that is why Dave is muted.. that guy takes too few breaks from that tournament, don't you think ?
That's one of the best games I've ever watched. Top 8 easy.
I'm a simple man.. Heard a Sabaton reference, liked the video!
No you are a fat chubby man
Dustin Tran stfu you miserable fuck
@@itsamario Not mutually exclusive.
What a stupid fuck haha. Love them haters, they make the internet a wonderful place 🤣
@@itsamario shutup u peanut
Age of empires is an easy game to play but really difficult to master. The amount of army micromanaging while resource managing is just very difficult to master imo.
This has been bothering me for quite some time now: while the onagers are idle, why not use them to destroy palisades and walls? Doesn't seem like it would cost anything, so might as well, right?
In theory yes, but you also want them available to shoot at enemy troops as soon as possible instead of waiting for em to reload before doing so.
Ok, overlay feedback time. I feel like the resources are displayed way too big, I would make the bar at least 25% less thick if not half. Same goes for the player names on the top, you could have the names smaller and have a good amount of the information that now lies underneath the names right in that section, instead. I also feel the bottom part of the overlay is a bit too big. I realize part of it won't be visible for HC3 but it still feels thick to me. Maybe condense a bit the minimap and the Lower left section but not too much, I'd imagine it won't be much use with 8 players if it's too small. Function suggestion: have an hotkey to completely hide the overlay, it might be useful for thumbnails or if you want to really "savor" the moment, like a big SO hit
Finally, an aesthetic feedback, so really not mandatory or needed, but the black modern design kinda clashes with the game aesthetic. I would go for a parchment background and a medieval border, somewhat similar to AoE's original, but I realise that would be far from the twitch stile of T90, so maybe make the background a much lighter gray with a canvas texture and a relief decoration border in black and gray and that could fit the casting stile a bit more, but both solutions would get rid of the "dark text not visible" problem
T90Official is truely the Gold Standard in AoE game commenting. Awesome!
With Mongols Unique Tech, in the right hands Mongol SO can out micro the higher hp Celts SO. Anyone who is a BF main knows this.
bf main?
Yes there is lots of players who play exclusively black forest. So they are microing ornagers every single game.
Daut is the god of throwing away expenaive units😅
Everytime I watch an MbL game, I'm reminded of his sneeze 54 minutes into co-casting an HC3 qualifier with T90.
Or even that time his door blew up.
These siege onargers were just dissgusting. Oh my...
I am stoked for hidden cup. Nice to be able to watch a live event that isn't depressing.
this overlay is AWESOME
thx
‘_Daut_ is being a bit heavy on stone’ me, only 25 villagers? How is he gonna get 36 castles at this rate?
I just saw the "Top10 Nerfs in AoEDE" Video, but misread it as Top10 Nerds...
T90 I think thats a video idea for you where you rank the biggest micronerds^^
Really the only thing that sucked was the micro on daut.
I love DauT, but after seeing this I dont understand how he is one of the best players in the world with that DauT-micro hahaha feels DauT man.
I had just finished two Low ELO legends videos and started this one not realizing it also wasn't low ELO legends for about five minutes. The villagers attacking the walls within that timeframe did not help me correct my error.
I'm stuck on home, so finally can catch HC live.
The hidden cup overlay takes over too much screen space
thx for the feedback
This is bad.. Move the minimap to the corner and make the players menu way way smaller, there is too little space to see the actual game....too bloated
thx for the feedback
@@nbrain1595 good job anyway the top bar is so great
Overlay is covering too much at the bottom boss
could make it semitransparent but may end up looking too busy
thx for the feedback
t90, i have started playing age again after ages today! been watching videos quite often and was able to 1v1 the AI on the first 3 games, going up difficulty on each! thanks! (also, damn, the pros make it looks so easy!)
Moderate ai is my limit 😂 just watching i am confused whats going on. Don't know how they do it.
Holy shit man...the first few minutes was intense! Lol that one dislike is probably from Daut.
mangudai?
more like mango-die
Eu faço isso E consigo ótimos resultados, já fiz 2000 kills, perdendo apenas 100 unidades... adiciono canhões E arqueiros, canhões no modo defesa, arqueiros deixo no modo posição fixa, E mando os arqueiros seguir os carros. Aliado a isso, eu fixo 4 estábulos para enviar scouts contra os villagers do inimigo. =========================Então fica manual onager + defense canons+ fixed archers following onager automatic ....... + spawn de scouts.
The new UI is a game changer man! Keep up the great work! Back to aoe2 because of you. Let's goooo HC3!
We need daut vs fatslob!
Hey T90, just amazing work. Thank you for everything! POSITIVE CONSTRUTUCTIVE FEEDBACK ON OVERLAY:: 11. Amazing, its great. I love it! 22. Overall its uses a lot of the space. I would place gametime down by the map opposite CA/HC3 e.g. 33. I would have the res info sligthly smaller font so as not take up less space. Having said these things, its just minors things, overall its amazing! I hope you see my input. HYYYPE, see you thursday !
36:37 yes daut played it extremely badly. Primarily because of the way ppl tend to be stubborn about playing mongols . For starters he lost a huge number of mangudai to onager shots and he kept recreating them to die again and again. The problem lies imo in how ppl "stereotype" civs in aoe2. For example, nobody denies the power of mangudai but in this case you just need the first 3p mangudai you had to not die, and spice things up with other unit types. Every mangudai you loze could've been 3-5 skirms mongols skirms have bad rep as well as champions. But why are skirms with bad rep? Because they don't have final armor upgrade WHICH does not affect this match up " as MBL used zero foot archer"
So daut could have been throwing skirms randomly to " tickel and annoy and distract" MB. Skirms are bad vs onagers but they are not bad if you don't mass them so if 10 skirms are hitting from 10 different locations they will be annoying although they are not rrally doing all that much "but they will trim the hrlbs constantly which could've created an oprning for hussars"
Other bad rep is mongols champions, why? No supplies? Well how about you only rrally nred 10-20 champions to be there which will threatrn helbs to ever advance. And the helbs DID advance and win the game by killing the economy. ALL those 30+ helps would've been dealt with eith 10 max tech champs and the 20-30 mangudai that should've been alive and never died in thr first place.
If skirms 10-20 skirms from 10 srchery ranges are being thrown away at the helbs, and hussars constantly threaten the onagers advance, and a bunch of 10 champioms spectating and weaving their swords, then the onagers can't advance to take out the trebs even in a suicide attack as helbs can't cover for them with skirms and champs blocking their way and hussars trying to gdt the onagers
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I watch your videos mostly on youtube, I like seeing the comments.
"This is not a daut castle, but it is a former daut castle"
lol
Hi T90,
My comment would be more info on market purchases for wood , stone , gold, food and also how much each has sold in the overlay... You can use toggle options for the same....
For tech Tree , it is better to add toggle between military and economy .
Also you can add total number of gold, stone, wood, food available in map as it was in HC2..
For what Daut, could have done differently, he could have added petard.... Since no archers... They could have obliterated the composition...
Petards,Hassars, then Elite Magandai to support them... In that composition, everything would fall apart if played correctly..
Thanks...
hmm, 40 mins of aoe, this will be boring. 40 minutes later, looking for next aoe vid!
wouldn't a switch to a full ram-champion push from daut win him the game? just spam 10 mongol rams with 6 champions (they would run like a cavarly) and destroy those onagers. If they pikemen were to kill you, just extract those champions from the rams, and kill everything. I dunno, it seemed easy to me, maybe i am missing something
Poor micro from Daut. He wasted many mangudais by fighting MBL's siege onagers with arrows. Instead, I would have used Mongols faster siege onagers to conterattack them. It is worth remembering that, in massive onager struggles, the Celtic bonus (Furor Celtica) is less effective due to the damage area. Moreover, Daut could also have cut more trees in order to outflank the enemy siege with hussars. Fighting Celtic onagers and halberdiers in tight spaces is obsviously a suicide.
The real winner here was defiantly Daut.
MBL used the ABSOLUTE NO SKILL tactic. Kinda sucked to watch... Usually i like MBL.
I'd say Celts are probably 1 or 2 on Black Forest. Koreans right with them too. But I still like Goths for BF. You can spam infantry all day into their Siege and you have Hussars and Bombard Cannons as well.
Hidden Caster Cup 1 lol
Somebody needs to gift Fatslob DE. He probably wouldn't play it but still.
I think Daut lost this in his Micro. Granted its still way better than I could pull off but the numbers of mangudai losses, especially early was crippling. He needed to create more groups for his troops and stop pooling them together. If you run 3-4 separate small groups of hussars at the onagers, you increase his chances of friendly firing on himself, and you get more penetration past the halbs and onto SO's. Great game though!
T.. you always nabbing at lowelobies cutting straggler-trees..
MbL just did that MLG-pro tactic himself around 4min into the vid!
I'll never understand the whole mangudai need the most upgrades. Even back in AOC it wasn't true. Turk cav archers need 2 more with the last archer armor plus sapahi. Also Magyar and tatars cav archers are the same. Mongols don't get last archer armor and don't have UT for mangudai
I think what he could have done was to combat the halbadiers with some standard archers. They don't cost gold, and put them on spread formation to cover more area. Helps against the SO's plus covers more area and allows the Mangudai to pass through. Once most of the halbs are down, charge the SO's with the Mangudai. Other than that there wasn't much that Daut could have done. MBL must be able to process a LOT of actions per second and is a MUCH better micromanager than anyone I've seen lmao