Never Cried This Much in My Life! |First Time Watching The Iron Claw Reaction/Commentary|
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Wow wow wow! Thank you guys for the love on the video! The wrestling fans on are on me heavy so I wanted to say a few things:
1. My bad for calling wrestling fake😂 I definitely know that the hits and slams are real, but lots of it is predetermined/scripted like a lot of you were saying.
2. Looking into the story more on my own i did see that there was a 6th brother which I think was even more tragic
Very glad you guys enjoyed it and thank you for showing love! 🤎🤎🤎
I took a shot every time you said fake, now I'm drunk, I'm only 17 minutes in.
Aye no sweat, the more ppl learn about wrestling the better
No saying it’s fake, it’s disrespectful. Theirs wrestlers who have serious injuries ACL , got paralyze, tearing quads , broken arms/legs. They are stunt performers acting telling a story in the ring.
I get what you mean by fake but yeah 🤷🏾♂️😂 predetermined/script is the correct term for it cuz pro wrestlers get injured just as much as other athletes(football players, basketball players, boxers, etc) & a lot of them are never the same after their careers are over.
And girl yes 🤣🤣🤣 of course they’re not hitting each other for real, they over exaggerate a lot of moves; it’s Campy, Violent & Fun 🥰 think of it as Broadway on crack & steroids 🤣
some wrestlers do hurt each other by mistake tho, some things can go wrong 🤷🏾♂️
I remember being 7 years old watching WWE Smackdown & was clueless as you were 🤣🤣🤣 but I couldn’t stop watching it & wanted to see more.
Sadly wrestlers doing drugs & alcohol was so normal back especially steroids cuz back then you had to look big in order to make it.
Just came by your channel to see this reaction. I’m a longtime pro-wrestling fan; and I watched the Von Erichs every Saturday night on local television. This film really delved into their story. The two standout performances were Zac Efron as Kevin and Jeremy Allen White as Kerry. I actually saw Kerry wrestle at a house show for the WWF (now WWE) in January of ‘92, about a year before he took his life. He was really talented.
The saddest part was that there was a SIXTH brother who also took his own life. He was left out because of runtime and that his death was eerily like Kerry, and would feel too tragic, redundant and unbelievable for audiences.
One of the very rare times where the real story is less believable and more tragic than the one portrayed on screen, crazy.
Yeah the reality was somehow worse in a lot of ways. David also had a daughter who died as an infant.
And yeah Chris dying was as sad as any of them. He wanted to be a wrestler more than anything but was very small and had asthma (the medication for which gave him weak bones).
And it wasn't a tragedy in the same way, but they also introduced a fake Von Erich cousin, Lance. It was just in very questionable taste and Kerry had to go out into the ring and admit to everyone that he wasn't really related and wouldn't be wrestling with them any more.
Then there were numerous other crazy deaths of main figures in that wrestling territory. Gino Hernandez, Bruiser Brody, Chris Adams.
I grew up near Dallas and was a fan as a kid in the 80s. It was messed up to go from them being as big as the Beatles in that area to so much devastating loss. The movie did a great job, thought I had a hard time not being pulled out of it by all the little changes. That's probably any biopic if you know everything about it though.
A very similar thing happened in Jersey Boys, of all things, where the death of Frankie Valli's second daughter (fell off a fire escape) was cut out completely because one daughter was enough. The more you know.
Kevin’s has 4 kids two of them are a tag team Ross and Marshall
I thought it was a terrible decision, considering Chris left the world feeling insignificant compared to his brothers.
as one of two brothers, "I used to be a brother" breaks me every time.
The movie RADICALLY underplays what a huge scumbag Fritz was.
He once pointed a gun at Kevin and said he didn't have the guts to kill himself like his brothers did. Kevin replied it didn't take guts to kill yourself, it takes guts to live.
Fritz also had severe brain cancer at the time he did that so Kevin has also said he doesn't believe his father would do that if he was of sound mind. Kevin also recently went on Jericho's podcast to discuss the portrayal of his father in the film and said he didn't like it and said his father wasn't a villain.
@@BriSand1993Fritz also pushed Kerry to train on a broken foot that was not healed up, leading to the foot being amputated.
Most victims of terrible parents will take their parents side and defend them. He might still have lived his dad, but his dad was clearly an ahole. That wasn't really disputed by anyone, including fellow wrestlers who's spoken out in later years.
@@systerkeno You're free to have that opinion about the man but the truth is neither you or I really knew him so none of us can be sure about anything. I don't think Fritz was a good father but we don't know what he truly thought or felt. Kevin was the closest one who'll ever know the real truth because he lived it himself and never thought ill of his father at all. If you've seen Kevin talk about his father in any interview he almost gushes like a little boy about his superhero. It also doesn't change the fact that the movie still made up lies to make him look even worse such as doctoring the books, threatening to disown Kevin if he sold which is false because Fritz wanted to sell but it was Kevin and Kerry who were against it and also Kevin strangling him at the end because Kevin wasn't even there Fritz was the one who found Kerry after Kevin called him.
@@BriSand1993 There were actually problems with the books. That was quite the problem throughout different NWA organizations.
Kevin has also told stories of his dad being violent and other people who knew Fritz have told stories about how he was.
The solomonster video on this topic is probably the best take on UA-cam when it comes to this subject. That man seems like a POS and deserves to be portrayed as one. Maybe shown some more of the negative stories and also put in some of the nice stories. Because it's almost never all black or white. But overall, for a movie very loosely based on true incidents, it was good IMO.
@@systerkeno I don't have a problem with the movie at all. I also believe with all the stories that are out there Fritz was indeed a tyrant but real people are more complicated and I'm not going to be that person who's going to say this is what was in his head or this is what he was feeling in that exact moment because we'll never really know. Kevin's point of view is his father was a good man and he accepted him flaws and all. Considering he's the last survivor of this tragedy why should we strangers be the ones to dictate how he should feel about the situation. It also isn't hard to believe if you're not a well liked individual people are going to lie about you.
Wrestling ain't fake, it's just predetermined. You can't fake gravity
having trained jiu jitsu and thinking that way, can't believe the claw would work on anybody, so easy to get out of
@@helvete_ingres4717 yeah, they ain't really trying hurt them, they just really good at selling (making the move look good/painful) think of it like a live movie acted by stunt actors, still takes a shit load of skill to pull off
@@lwazithesyne4675 yeah I got that from the movie but there's only one or two scenes really addressing it, and I was still a bit confused. Like when they talk about Kevin becoming world heavyweight champion or w/e..what they really mea is that the federation will agree to script the match so that he wins..? And what if a wrestler who is supposed to lose doesn't want to lose and tries to pin the opponent instead? don't feel it was sufficiently explained
@@helvete_ingres4717 it was a legitimately scary hold though, honestly. I watched a Vice documentary on the Von Erich family and Kevin said they gripped right into the temples and then they showed some b-roll of them exploding full beer cans and gourds in one hand like it was nothing. But yeah as the other commenter mentioned they definitely weren't trying to actually hurt anyone in the ring so it was mostly for show.
@@helvete_ingres4717I can’t speak on how it worked back then, but the way it works nowadays is that are teams of writes who essentially write out the storyline for each person. The team of writers will essentially choose winners depending on how to they want to progress a persons storyline. I’m sure how the crowd reacts to a person and other factors also go into writing a persons storyline. I think in the case of the Von Erich family, the dad was essentially the one choosing which one of his sons would be the getting their storyline pushed towards the public while the others wait for their time to shine.
That last half hour was so gut wrenching. Great reaction. I cried a lot too
I almost lost it at the end! 😂
Did u know that the director told Zac to refrain from crying until the last day of shooting, which was that ending scene? Such great acting time and time again👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🙌🏾🙌🏾
The Soviets had invaded Afghanistan and so in protest of that invasion President Jimmy Carter ordered the boycott of Summer Olympics which were being held in Moscow, preventing any American participation in the event. Kerry was a discus thrower, like his father. Fritz was going to go the Olympics when he was younger, but when he got married the AAU wouldn't pay for him to travel, so he missed out on going too. Apparently, Fritz's best recorded throw prior to the Olympics would've been enough to win Gold, and held the Texas state high school record, until Kerry beat it.
That is a really obscure historical note that I'm kind of glad the movie found a way to slip in. It is one of the (many) reasons Carter got landslid out of office.
9:37 The two wrestlers being depicted here talking to the brothers were Bruiser Brody and Gino Hernandez. They both would meet tragic ends as well. Gino died at the age of 28 from a cocaine overdose and Brody was stabbed to death by a wrestling booker (the guy who set up the matches and decided who would win) in Puerto Rico over a business dispute. He was 42.
That’s so sad! Seems like wrestling had a lot of tragedy.
@@makenziejanelIt does.
Invader 1 (Jose Gonzalez) was the booker who stabbed Bruiser Brody in the WWC (World Wrestling Council), the Puerto Rican wrestling company owned by Carlos Colon, Sr., the father of Carlito (Caribbean Cool, aka Carlos Colon, Jr.), a WWE pro wrestler.
I was so happy to have seen this in theatres, felt like a privilege. Thanks for reacting to this
I wish they would’ve shown it at mine! Glad you enjoyed 🙏🏾
I feel like "scripted" is a better term as opposed to calling it fake. And honestly the athleticism it takes to perform a choreographed fight without hurting your opponent (too much) is so much more than if they were actually physically trying to hurt the other person. And obviously accidents do happen. One wrong move...
This movie does change a bit from the actual story. There was another brother named Chris who ended up shooting himself as well. Mike willingly stepped into the ring, he wasn't forced into it though everyone agrees he and Chris both had no business competing at the level their brothers did. And their parents are definitely vilified in this movie. Kevin and the interviews I've seen discussing Fritz (the dad) talk about what a caring a loving man he was up until the brain cancer started causing dementia right before his death.
Given that his wife blames Fritz for her sons’ suicides, he probably was more like how he was portrayed in the film than we know. Sure, he had a public appearance, but we truly don’t know what he was like behind closed doors
Thanks for your lovely reaction! Your empathy and tears show how a wonderful person you are! Those two scenes, the one where he meet his three dead brothers and the one with the line "I used to be a brother and ... I am not a brother anymore", really killed me. And it is Ok to cry, I am a man and I cry, it helps my mental health :)
Thanks for watching!
I'm an emotional person so it doesn't take much for me to cry. This movie broke me and I was LITERALLY bawling my eyes out throughout the majority of the film in the theater😭😭😭😭 This is sooo heartwarming and depressing. The MVP of this film was Zac Efron, he did such an amazing job💐💐💐👏🏽🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Zac Efron has always been an underrated actor in my opinion
@@makenziejanel Yes he is! I'm sad that he didn't even get a nomination for this film or the film itself. I'm happy that he got a star on the Walk of Fame and acknowledged as a actor even though he should've been acknowledged as a actor way before (not the star per se but the public, than just being known as "he's that guy from HSM" yk?)
Chris Von Erich wasn’t in the movie, but he was the brother who killed himself after Michael and Before Kerry. Kevin actually found Chris, and the dad was the one who found Kerry. Chris had it tough because he was sick and had brittle bones , he wanted to be a wrestler but he was the one brother who really couldn’t . Sad they couldn’t put him in the movie
I worked so hard to hold back tears in the theater! I just couldn’t do it.
The movie deserves so many awards and Zack seriously deserves awards too! Everyone just did an amazing job with the film!
Fritz had more than his share of faults, but from what those that knew him a long time have said..apparently the death of Jack Jr. changed him completely.
Kevin was left with all Fritz built though (in incredibly sad fashion being the only living heir, aside from Kerry's 2 children), which allowed him to buy that ranch. A ranch that is a good chunk of an island in Hawaii, allowing the Adkisson family to spend the rest of their days in paradise together. That deserves some respect.
Kevin also has a huge family too! 4 kids and 13 grandchildren
Their deaths hit me, especially Kerry's death😭😭😭 I couldn't stop sobbing especially when Kevin was yelling out to his dad, "You didn't take care of him, you didn't take care of any of them!" That sh*t broke the f**k out of me. The ending scene, was SOOOOO heartbreaking but bittersweet, tears still couldn't stop falling. Even the song in the background in the ending, "Live That Way Forever" was the song that Mike was singing for his first gig😭😭😭😭😭 I was even crying during the credits and after credits😓😓😓
Yh Kerry's death for me was so sad to see. The fact that he seemed to be in a good place in that Christmas family gathering to feeling like he wants to end it all. The contrast. I'm so slow, I didn't even know Kerry lost a foot during his bike crash...only just realised in this reaction video. Lol.
As someone who now has an estranged brother, the "I'm not a brother anymore." line broke me.
What an amazing reaction, Makenzie! Saw it in an empty movie theater a few months ago so came here to see how it was received- that was so great! you really felt everything. Keep up the great work!
Thank you!!
LOVE the reaction! Me being from Texas, my parents were big fans of the Von Erics as kids. There was actually 6 brothers, and one wasn't portrayed on the film due to time constraints. His name was Chris Von Erich, and he had a death similar to Kerry unfortunately. I wouldn't use the word fake. It's more predetermined. Most those slams do hurt. Some serious injuries do happen. It's all entertainment, just like a movie. But very physical.
Kevin’s sons Ross and Marshall completely broke the cycle and taught their dad that it’s okay to cry. Fritz was the worst father truly and Kevin was more of a father to his younger brothers than their own dad ever was. Even better as a dad to his sons.
Being wrestling fan and knowing what happens still tearing up at that part with the brothers meeting up at lake...😢😢😢
25:33 Wrestlers often have to be clean shaven all the time.
Reason 1: body hair tends to build up bacteria and smell like shit
Reason 2: body hair makes you harder to hold onto, making it more unsafe
Have you seen any wrestling?? lol bruiser Brody wasn’t clean shaven at all lol . A lot of wrestlers aren’t cause of the gimmick they are trying to portray.
Ahhh that's a good explanation
am I the only person who really wanted kevin to take up rik flair on that invite to go for a beer? you could feel the contempt the von erich patriarch had for flair when he walked in with his flamboyant personality and enjoying himself and not taking wrestling too serious. feel like if they'd gone for a beer and talked, flair would have said kid your dad's kind of an asshole and he'd have had an epiphany
48:57 He lost FIVE brothers. Chris Von Erich, the youngest brother, also took his own life. The writer didn't include Chris in the movie because it "made the movie too sad". Parts of Chris' story are merged into Mike's.
I went into this movie 100% blind. All I knew was it was a wrestling movie about brothers and zac efron and Jeremy Allen white were two of them. And that was it! I have never cried so hard at a movie in my life. I was devastated at the end!
Kerry in reality was the most naturally gifted brother I wished he would have came clean
I attended the WWE Hall of Fame ceremony in Houston, Texas back in 2009 when the Von Erich family was inducted. When Kevin got up to talk and accept on their behalf, people were in tears. In Texas especially, they're still revered as strongly as ever.
I knew it would be tough when you said you needed it to end before the did the dream sequence and the "I used to be a brother" thing. Props for making it through,
Hi, big fan of wrestling here, I grew up in the 70s' and 80's and I want to say that your reaction was so sweet and heartfelt. We started getting the Von Erichs on tv in 1980 when the story started, and it was some of the best pro wrestling in the world back then. There have been documentaries on the family, but this movie took it to another level. The differences from real life and this movie don't take away anything from the heart of the story. It was a real joy watching this video. Looking forward to more.
It's pre-determined, not fake. Every suplex, slam, etc. is real. The punches are worked, but that's often hard forearms or hard open hand punches that won't break anything.
Yh I wonder the way they fly about and slam themselves on rhe floor is something else! As someone said, there is nothing fake about gravity.
Does The Iron Claw refer to the signature move of the wrestling family... or is it the grip that Fritz had upon the lives of his son?
Oooo good question…
Yes. To both questions
Kevin’s sons Ross and Marshall telling their dad it’s okay to cry broke the cycle and the generational curse that was started by Fritz. I do believe Fritz was the curse and Kevin broke that cycle with his sons. it’s so wholesome and heartbreaking at the same time.
The craziest part about the Von Erich story is that the real life story is more tragic than the film. My heart breaks for this family the Von Erich brothers seemed like genuine good people. Kerry Von Erich is my new favorite wrestler he wrestled with only one foot and man was he talented. It's such a tragedy what happened to the Von Erichs but at least they are together now in peace.
Exactly right! If this was fictional movie, it would be sad enough. But the fact that this really happened to a family is gut-wrenching. Have looked up Kerry's time in the WWF, he has that superstar vibe. I reckon he could have been major without the foot impediment. ❤️💙🙏
The scene where the mom's watching Kerry win the title that's David on the stairs watching as if to say he's watching from heaven
Oh the real life story is ever sadder. They had another brother that took his life (they left him out of the film for runtime/story flow reasons).
Kevin also almost shot himself after everything but he was able to talk himself out of it.
It’s actually insane how tragic this all was. If it wasn’t based off real people, you could accuse it over the top bad writing. But it was all real.
I’m glad Kevin was able to push through after all that, it’s all so sad.
The wild thing is, the real story is even worse, cause there was actually 6 sons not 5. A whole other brother named Chris was taken out of the movie cause it was too depressing and he pretty much died like Kerry
the movie made kerry's accident look like an attempted suicide, is that accurate?
@@helvete_ingres4717 not sure, that's one of the main flaws of the movie. About 75% of what happened in the movie and when it happened is legit, but Kerry did get into a car accident (probably not on purpose) and had to wrestle in a wooden foot, and no one noticed for a while cause they were so good at wrestling
@@helvete_ingres4717 --I believe he was trying to pass someone on the road, but Kerry was unaware that the person he was trying to pass was making a left hand turn and Kerry pretty much t-boned him.
Even knowing what happened to the family, it was still a total gut punch to me with every loss. The movie was a total heartbreaker, and what makes it even worse is that there were so many other tragedies they could have covered. Good on you for powering through to the end though, because that ending is one of the most beautiful I've seen in a long time.
Feel like the ending made it worth it😭
As a lifelong wrestling fan i just respect anyone wjo takes the time to watch this movie without being a wrestling fan. It's all scripted, predetermined and choreographed; but the toll on their bodies is very real. A lot of athletes have tried doing it and have spoken of how harsh the training is compared to actual sports.
I love watching woman's reaction to this because as a guy who grew up with a domineering father that was obsessed with sports I really felt a lot of the themes in this movie and it is nice to see a female perspective to this kind of stuff that is usually closeted between men. My family has also went through several tragedies of suicide, accidental death, and drug overdose so this movie made me cry. I have not cried in over 10 years.
Kevin’s sons actually wrestle now too
they wrestle just like they used to in the 80s lol its crazy to see
That’s them at 45.20
The dad is FOWL. He IS the curse.
ive been watching so many iron claw reactions recently since the movie just came out digitally and they've mostly been male commentators (which isnt a problem, i know this movie is abt wrestling so it's gonna have somewhat of a male audience) but ive been waiting for some girl reactions and your video did not disappoint! from your love for zac, jere and harris automatically made me relate to your reaction, but just by watching your reaction to the ending and how it absoutely destroyed you made me ball my eyes with you! i cannot go throughout this whole movie without crying so i was right there with you lol! but srsly loved ur reaction, and fr its an absolute shame this movie nor zac did not receive any oscar noms.. such bs
If it’s one things I’m gonna have it’s a celebrity crush lol 😂 Glad that you enjoyed!
I only got to see Kerri a few times after he joined the then-WWF (now WWE). You couldn’t even tell he was missing part of his leg from what I remember.
The worst part of this movie is just knowing what is going to happen, but getting so invested in the story that it still makes you lose it and break down in tears.
As for curses…Plenty of families feel like they have a curse in some way. In truth, it’s just a series of bad choices that lead to something destructive and catastrophic happening in most cases. Sometimes it’s sudden, other times it is drawn out.
David was sudden. Mike felt so much pressure to take David’s spot and immediately got hurt and felt like he was a disappointment. That came from him giving into their father’s demanding expectations. Kerri was a long term issue that started with a single bad decision of driving his motorcycle after drinking.
Other families had things, too. You mentioned the Kennedy’s. Another wrestling family that seemed to have a curse are the Harts. Lots of tragedy there, too.
Most issues for both of those families were, again, results of poor decisions in many cases. Some not their fault.
Chris, their youngest brother who the movie left out, felt pressured as well like his brothers before him and wanted to make his family proud as well. Sadly he passed too young. 😔
Kevin Von Erics heart broken quote "I use to have 5 brothers now im not even a brother"if you look up the show dark side of the ring episode the last of the von erics tell more of the story the movie missed too much didnt even talk about there brother chris even if your not much of a wrestling fan the storys of the lifes of the wrestlers are more interesting and pull you in more then much out there right now great seeing kevins sons and kerrys daughter lacey in the business when they were in it and seeing Fritz Kevin David Kerry Mike and Chris in the wwe hall of fame is bitter sweet since only kevin got to be present rip Jack Jr 1952-1959 David 1958-1984 Mike 1964-1987 Chris 1969-1991 Kerry 1960-1993
No need to apologize about thinking wrestling was fake lol. The movie literally just showed that even Kevin's wife initially thought wrestling was fake which would confirm that MOST people that aren't huge fans of wrestling believe it's fake, even back then... so not sure why folks in the comment section are being so sensitive lol. Very great review, this movie had me crying too lol!
Kevin's sons have actually been on AEW. They are NATURALS!!!
Lets go watch a fun movie with Zac Efron!
*Puts on the Iron Claw...* Have fun...
Great raw reaction! This movie is one of my favorites of 2023 God rest all those brothers and cherish your loved ones while you still have them and finally break the generational trauma.
I’m glad I watched it! Hope you enjoyed!
I saw this movie in the big screen theater and I cried and bawled like a baby. Left the theater with swollen eyes. Yeah... Love your video. Thumbs UP and shared. A+++
I’m glad you enjoyed!
This movie broke my heart on Saturday when I watched it, Makenzie. Now your rection with it broke my heart again. Thank you for the healing tears. OMG what a film.
It’s so great! Thanks for watching! 😊
When Kerry won the title the movie portrays it as he got in an accident right after but really he was only champion for 12 days and the NWA took the belt off of him for drugs and no showing events. He got into the accident years later. Also he didn't lose his foot at first... he tried to get back and wrestle before it healed right and did damage to where they amputated.
The movie was amazing. I was ballin my eyes out. Watched a reaction video and cried again 😂😂😂 that “I used to be a brother” scene will probably make me cry every time ❤
I was pretty much done when he said that😂
1st time viewer. Maybe the best reaction I've seen! You really showed your heart/self. Can't believe I'm #716. That number is missing some zero's.
Thank you so much for that! Glad you’re here!
According to a couple of the wrestlers that went against the Von Erichs they would hit hard. Their biggest rivals in their show were a trio of wrestlers that called themselves The Fabulous Freebirds. In their matches they would want to look as real as possible so there was an understanding between all of them, "Try not to knock each other's teeth out, don't break bones, but everything else was fair game." In other words, they beat each other up.
I can believe it, they were huge!
This movie done me the same way. Beautiful group of brothers. Like you this movie hurt me knowing this actually happened.
Wrestling IS NOT FAKE. It’s pre-determined. The only thing scripted is the finish to a match. Otherwise, what the wrestlers do in the ring is completely improvised and “called” between the participants. As long as they tell a good story in the ring and get to the finish it’s good.
I love this reaction.
Thanks for watching!
I’m a huge fan of Wrestling, I remember growing up and my dad told me about Kevin and Kerry Von Eric. I was 3 and a half Years old when Kerry won the intercontinental title. I’ve seen video library’s of some old school Von Erich Matches. My father and I went to see this movie together, he cried as well as I did. I cried at the end when Kerry sees his brothers on the pier. This movie was a 10/10 for me and I’m shocked it didn’t win any awards as well,
Probably the most honest reaction I've seen of this movie
Thanks!
There's nothing in the world as equally amusing and frustrating as watching someone who doesn't follow the industry struggling to reconcile between the reality and the "fake".
Gravity is always real. Intent is malleable.
also the assumption that any of the brothers ever hated/began to hate wrestling...you see Kevin struggling with his belief in the curse, and eventually quitting wrestling over the loss of his brothers, but he didn't blame wrestling or hate it, he just couldn't go on because it's a constant reminder that he lost what he loved most about it.
Kerry looked proud and genuinely happy to become a wrestler along his brothers, even if he had participated in the Olympics I'm sure he would've transitioned into wrestling eventually...it's just that an Olympic medal is valued higher, so that was the dream goal.
And Michael probably pressured himself to fill David's shoes after his passing just as much as Fritz did.
Wrestling was as much part of their family as any member of it. It's a family business in which his father became a household name, running a promotion no less, it's what gave them a home and it's what gave them instant name recognition when they made their debut...they were PROUD to become wrestlers like their father who's a legend in the business. And they were pround to fulfill his dream of bringing the title into the family.
Also on that note, Kevin said in an interview that despite his father "seeming" cruel and cold, that there's no animosity there and that he's thankful for his father "making us strong"...because at the time and in this business, it's not necessarily bad
They didn’t mention Chris Von Erich in the movie he was the youngest and also committed suicide 😢
As tragic as this is in the film, the real life story is even more so. I don't know how Kev went on. He's got to be the strongest person
I’m glad he has such a big family now!
Great reaction McKenzie. I am so glad you enjoyed it. I thought throughout the whole movie this is movie on how not to be a father. As a veteran, I was appalled to hear him say no tears after their brother passed. That is their brother. Let alone you have soldiers who lose best friends and have to grieve too. I am so glad I had an amazing father who showed me what truly being a man is like. He was strong, loving, compassionate, firm and gentle, but I always saw him a father bear..aka you don't poke the bear :). Kind of why I hate the term toxic masculinity or femininity as toxic behaviors are just that toxic and both sexes can portray them. There is nothing masculine about bullying or manipulating your children.
I love that you caught how he said he wanted them to pursue other things but deep down he kept pushing them towards his goal not their own. Horrible parenting.
This was low key film of the year and it got no attention at all Zack Effron had the performance 🎭 of his life I know he was good in stuff like neighbors and bay watch but this was award worthy drama and he crushed I mean every one played their parts perfectly but to see him really change it up and take this lead role and kill it was amazing I lost my brother in July 2023 so the last 30 minutes of this movie absolutely crushed me I was fighting tears like Tyson in the 80s
Pro Wrestling started as real fighting but then the promoters and wrestlers found they could make it look more exciting and earn more money if they fixed the fights and planned who won. Back before the 70s most of the matches were not preplanned down to the moves just who won. The wrestlers would call moves in the ring to feed off the crowd. There are some ways to make moves hurt less but they still do all that stuff and it all still hurts.
I was a huuuuge Von Erich fan. There were some inconsistencies in the film, but it was very well done. When Kerry won the world title on 5/6/84, his mother was at Texas Stadium, not watching at home. Kerry was champion for 18 days. He didn't lose his foot until 2 years later, in 1986. The doctors originally saved his foot, but he tried to walk on it prematurely, which damaged it so bad that they had no other option but to amputate. From my understanding, the portrayal of the mom Doris was completely off. She was a great mom. When Kevin moved the family to Hawaii, his mother was also there until she passed away in 2015 at age 82. She divorced Fritz after 42 years of marriage because she blamed him for the deaths of her kids. I really dont know how Kevin went on with life after losing so much. I remember him once saying that he went into a gun store and tried to steal a rifle because he wanted to go to jail. The owner of the store watched him put the rifle down his pants and just said to him, "I love you Kev". Kevin put the rifle on the counter and left. Makes me love and respect him even more than I do.
I definitely feel like their movie was the least fleshed out character. Very glad Kevin was able to push through the pain.
Pro Wrestling is probably the hardest sport for a body and mind to handle because it's a combination the rock n roll life style just constantly on the road while never having time to recover or see your family, plus bodybuilding..which ain't healthy, plus combat sports with potential for very serious injuries, while being in character and public speaking in front of a large crowd and never breaking character even when injured. Most people can't even speak in front of large crowds. Haha. You should really check out the Kevin or Kerry vs Rick Flair match at Texas Stadium. That era of wrestling was insane, and Ric Flair promos at that time were legendary.
14:16 "fake" is an insult. The outcomes are pre-determined but it is not fake
This movie broke me😭😭
Ain’t fake, just predetermined like most sports, they get more injuries than regular athletes, it’s just for our entertainment more than it is for the wins and losses
Beyond the prestige of being recognized as the best by the promoters, getting a run as World Champion could make you a life-changing amount of money. Every time the champion wrestled, he got 10% of the gate. In better paying territories like St. Louis or the Carolinas, the champion was making over $5,000 a night by the time the brothers were being considered as serious contenders.
The real Kevin was not a fan of how the movie portrayed his parents. Kevin has never blamed his father for what happened to his brothers. If you watch the Dark Side of the Ring episode about the Von Erichs Kevin talks about how much he loved and admired his father's wrestling talent and he believes his parents were forever changed by the death of their first child Jack Jr and he believes that's why his father became as tough and strict as he was. A lot of other people who knew Fritz don't have many nice things to say about him which has fed a narrative Kevin has never liked about a man who didn't love his kids and forced them to do what he wanted. I personally believe Fritz does bear a lot of the responsibility for starting his sons out so young in a hard partying industry but Kevin has said Fritz was never abusive toward them. Kevin sympathizes with his father a lot because one thing that wasn't discussed is when Fritz was a child his own father forced him to fight other boys in the neighborhood and the father would make money off it. I myself don't think Fritz is the saint Kevin makes him out to be but this movie really went out of its way to make him a villain. The actor who portrayed him even said he was saddened that a lot of scenes that humanized his character were cut from the final film.
I mean a man who makes his brain damaged son get back into the ring is pretty fucking evil
While we are here, where did the movie get the Kevin vs Fritz thing over selling the company to Jerry Jarrett? They got the roles completely reversed.
Dramatized movies like this inspired by real events always add/change things and kind of make things more formulaic so I’m not surprised it didn’t really humanize their father. Sucks that Kevin didn’t really enjoy the portrayal though.
@@makenziejanel He did like the rest of the movie that revolved around the brothers because the closeness he said was very dead on. But you should also know that a lot was condensed for the film. Kerry did not wreck immediately after winning the title his accident wouldn't be until two years later. As well as David dying after Kevin's wedding that wouldn't be until four years later.
@@PopeSixtusVI The movie wanted to make Fritz look worse which Kevin didn't appreciate.
They outlived 5 sons. The youngest one Chris, wasnt even in the movie. He commited suicide too, in between Mike's suicide and Kerry's suicide.
i loved your commentary!! you’re so funny and i love that you cried, i know that sounds kinda weird but when people watch this movie and don’t cry it makes me suspicious of them cus how tf u just watched 4 out of 5 brothers in a family die untimely horrible deaths and not feel anything 🧐… anyways definitely subscribed girly!!!
Thanks for enjoying! 🙏🏾
Wrestling aint fake its predetermined , Hitting the mat is like getting into a car wreck
Anyways saddest part about this is that they left a brother out Chris Von Erich
the whole fake thing is funny cuz i feel like when people thought it was real before they found out it creates a weird mental block… but the people who always knew can actually see whats happening lol
like yea he threw him outside in the concrete lmao theres no way you can fake someone flying through the air and landing on their back on concrete 😂 its planned, not CGI
its like when you play fight as kids, you plan to do it but if i pick up my lil brother and throw him on the bed, its really him being thrown
This movie broke my soul. Being the eldest brother this is my worst fear.
I'll tell you this Makenzie, when it comes to sad stories. If you can get through the movie "Hachi a Dogs Tale." You can survive anything.
I went to the theater to watch this. I knew it was going to be sad. The rest of the men there that dragged their wives/gf's to watch it thought it was going to about wrestling joy. Last hour was like continuously watching Interstellar's 23 years or the end of infinity War. Just nut kick after gut punch. Grown ass men not wanting to cry, gulping, wiping tears, till the end when the boys said it was ok to cry.
So wish I could’ve seen this in the theater!
before he died Fritz told Kevin that he was too much of a coward to join his brothers
Wrestling genuinely isn’t “fake”. Yes, the outcome is decided before, things are choreographed and rehearsed, but a lot of the hits are real. Especially when you hit the ground, and plenty of times kicks to the face connect very hard (it’s harder to soften kicks than punches). Wrestlers are taught to downplay hits, how to fall without hurting yourself too bad, but the risk of injury is VERY real. People have been seriously injured, paralysed, even died from a fight. From a former female wrestler who never got to fully go pro due to a serious injury in the ring, trust me, it isn’t fake. Scripted, yeah, most of the time. But terrible things can easily happen.
The hits, the emotion of the match is all part of the wrestler's performance in order to tell the story that leads to the pre determined result. Pro wrestling is meant to blur the lines of the audience. If you were worried, concerned, frustrated and relieved - it was meant to evoke all of those reactions during the match.
theirs a few wrestlers who have chosen to wrestle bare footed.
How do you record your reaction and edit your videos
Google open source screen capture software, there's a bunch. There's also a chord and app that turns your smart phone into a video camera when it's plugged into a computer.
They found pill bottles in David's room while he was in Japan in real life.
There were actually six brothers Kerry, Kevin, Jack, Mike, David, and Chris, Kevin is the only one still alive
People who still think wrestling is a legit competition are insane. I love pro wrestling but it’s because of the storylines not because I think it’s a genuine athletic competition
You basically had the same reaction to this movie as I did! The parents sucked, dad more so than mom, she just stopped trying at some point. I'm just glad that it seemed like all the boys were nice and happy when they were together, despite their distant and angry parents. Great movie, but OMG it was sad!
When the mom was watching TV and David was on the steps, then he wasn't, that's because it was his ghost...you probably caught that when you were editing, but it almost didn't click for me until I realized who it was
I didn’t realize it was his ghost until the comments told me😂
@@makenziejanel lol I started crying when it hit me
33:46
MJ - "The tension in my chest is gone cause the bad thing has now happened"
Me - Oh you sweet summer child...
scripted not fake, slams do connect. punches and kicks are worked but some wrestlers punch for real, stone Cold steve Austin used to legit punch his opponents accidently cause of loose punches
I'm curious, how do people record reaction videos like this? and what are the guidelines for youtube?
Everyone has their own methods, but I record myself + screen record the movie and edit it together. As long as you’re actually reacting and not showing the whole movie you should be good.
@@makenziejanel nice! Any specific program you use?
Wish you hadnt said that about Miss Dorris. Saying she was not a good person and not a good Mom. That lady was a Saint in real life! She went through more tragedy, than any Mother has gone through, and got through it all because of her faith in Jesus Christ. She never lost her faith either, after all that.
I like how you getting into the wrestling but you say it’s fake now you know how us fans feel tho😂
I used to watch wrestling when I was younger and I watch UFC now so I don’t know why I specifically said the word fake😂
Wrestling in Japan was bigger than in the USA, you had to win over the Japanese audience before they can make you world champ, when David actually died many Japanese fans were crying and giving him an American send off when they loaded his body onto the plane home.
The real life story is even worse because they left out the youngest brother Chris who also died by suicide. The writer explained that the story became too long and unbearable with Chris's story and death included. Since Mike and Chris the two youngest bothers were similar, the character of Mike represents both Chris and Mike for the sake of story.
The most I’ve ever cried in my life
Everybody is really down on Fritz, but some of the guys that got to know him really well spoke well of him. Bill Irwin always said that he was a nice guy once you got to know him. Bill Mercer and others said it also. But Fritz came up being raised by parents that went through the Great Depression. That made the people of that generation tough and always saving money and anything they thought they needed. My Dad's family was from Dalton, Georgia during the depression and he spoke of how his folks nearly starved as did so many others. That made that generation not as freely spending as we are now. Fritz was very tight with company money but bought those boys everything they ever wanted growing up. I suspect he was gruff at times and very good at others.
This is a really sad movie but if this is the hardest you’ve cried over a movie then you obviously haven’t watched Schindler’s List.
When it comes to fake wrestling the punching is fake but the dive and falls and slams are real.