These Saudi shows are killing Fury's and Wilder's legacy and is it any wonder? They are putting all the fights against top contenders together, not letting them hide and run from one another the way Fury and Wilder used to, apart from against each other.
Agreed then and flip it look how it has made AJ and Usyk Look. Parker and DDD have now gone on to beat Zhang and Hirgovic. Two great wins for them both respectively.
I remember all the commentators (invariably American and British) crowning both men 'kings of the division'. I'd love to know how you win that particular crown without facing anyone in the top 10 bar each other!
Which part of Fury's resume has aged well??? Which fight did he test dirty for??? In my opinion Fury has the WORST resume of any heavy weight boxer. It has all be Hype and evasion in my opinion
@@brenthernandez638 They have terrible resumes. You just don't have the cognitive function and critical thinking to understand what you read. You just look at the names. AJ is the same fraud as Fury. Only, Fury had immense talent, but Sugar ruined him when he sold out.
@@agnikaineverdies7646 Between AJ and Wilder, the latter was a less risky opponent for Fury at the time. Also, Fury has always been a bit envious of AJ, so it was also a way to do his own thing.
@@agnikaineverdies7646Watch any interview with Hearn or Fury, they have always said Hearn offered Fury 3 fights - 2 warm up then AJ. And he said no, Wilder is easier. And Americans are easy to con.
Let's be real: Wallin and Ngannou have been iced by AJ, Wilder has been mauled by Parker and demolished by Zhang. Fury's only decent win was a jab and grab fest against an ageing Klitschko. Fury looks now more like a duck than like a goat.
@@AaronOne-ch6op you're missing the point, this isn't a "Joshua vs Fury" issue. This is an issue about a shallow record that isn't aging well. Joshua's is the same, aside from Parker, none of his wins have stood the test of time. What's unique or special about Fury's resumè or career upto this point? Is the issue.
All that needs to be said is Fury dropped Wilder, Fury couldn't drop Usyk, Joshua couldnt drop Usyk, Dubois, the new flavor of the month couldn't drop Usyk and had to hit him in the nuts. Usyk is a warrior, takes shots, and has ventured into the land of the giants, basically 4 times now. He should get more credit, and he should retire. He's been fighting for a very long time. But he's stoic, lives a clean life, doesn't talk shit and speaks broken english. He is the master of unintentional mind games. He also talked to Dubois after their fight and told him not to give up, to keep pushing, and dont be hard on himself. Personally, I like watching fighters with skill, and Usyk is definitely skilled.
He doesn't speak much English but how many other languages does he speak? Zhang doesn't speak English, but if he hits someone they'll fall over. Usyk and Zhang don't need English to sell their fights.
I remember when Fury and his little simps were claiming Wilder was the second best Heavyweight in the world, after him... Yup... It was delusional even back then.
The three Fury/Wilder fights were 3 of the most exciting heavyweight fights of the last decade. All three had great pre-fight buildup and all delivered on the night in the ring. All the drama before, during, and after made them super memorable nights for true boxing fans. . Plus nine knockdowns. Great entertainment. Heavyweights always bring the thrills chills and spills. Tyson ko'd by Douglas, Ali beaten by Spinks and knocked down by tiny Henry Cooper, Lennox sprawled out by Rahman, Norton destroyed by Cooney...the list is endless. Are you not entertained.
Is it not about time to back off of Fury now? I mean the guy has a history of mental breakdowns, so sticking the knife in is likely going to cause even more problems for him. I'm not saying this as a Fury fanboy or anything, I picked Usyk to win and I've consistently mentioned how thin Fury's career resume is, but it's time to get off his back before he's pushed down a very dark path. As for Dubois, he's really turned his career around and his confidence must be booming. I think he'll fall a little short against AJ though as I think that will be the biggest puncher he's faced and Dubois does get tagged quite a bit.
There is no doubt Fury is a great fighter when he sets his mind to it. But looking at his career his biggest achievements were Vladimir and Wilder. He never took the rematch with Vladimir so he never set that one in concrete. The rest of his opponents that he beat since Wilder have been below his level. Hard to see him as the GOAT.
Apart from Fury, Parker and Zhang, which top quality fighter has Wilder fought? And he lost to those three. It shows Wilder's standard. He was a very well managed/ protected fighter. I hope no one mentions Ortiz, who was closer to 50 years old when Wilder fought him.
All the people Tyson struggled with have all been beaten up since, Wallin got beat up, Ngannou for murdered and now Wilder just got splattered - all his wins are getting worse and worse. Where as that Usyk win over Dubois is getting better and better
@@saintdon4461 Tyson won a MAXIMUM of 5 rounds, and that's being generous, which I am not. 8-4 with a knock down on my card. Giving Fury 6 rounds is poor fight scoring - sorry
You cant really dismiss someone's wins because a former opponent at nearly 40 loses a few years later when they're the one that ruined that fighter in the first place. If thats the case we could find a way to bash most fighters resumes if we really wanted to. Wilder looks shot to bits because Fury has beaten the fight out of him and made him gun shy, its that simple. As for Dubois, a good win but who has Hrgovic ever beaten apart from an arguable gift v Zhang and a load of stiffs? - And he beat Miller who was mostly banned for years and never beat anyone of note really. I dont think that makes Usyk's win over him any more special in all honesty. Gman is a funny one though, right after the fight he was full of conpliments for Fury, saying hes a "tremendous fighter" thats done great things and then the day after he basically started copying Hatman's video topics of trying to bring down all Fury's achievements. Make your mind up 😂
@waldorojasboxing punch perfect boxing is the best channel, no politics, no agendas or clickbait, just straight boxing and good knowledge. Chris Andre is good too but he's not doing videos at the moment
I’m no Tyson fan boy, but this is harsh, wilder has aged badly and a lot of that is down to what the 3 fights with Tyson took out of him. Plus he is approaching 39
Cap 🧢 you fury fan boys were still saying he would Ko Aj when he Ko helinius in one round. That wasn’t too long ago. No he is old and the fury fights took a lot from him? How convenient. Wilder has always been trash
@@francisigbinevbo1290you are as thick as the last muppett. I never said he did fight any elite hw’s before fury. All i said was hes 39 and the fury fights have took a lot out of him. Perfectly reasonable comments i stand by. And im entitled to. Why do you care what i wrote? Cause your a sad wee keyboard warrior. So now respectfully piss off and get a life
Fury apologists keep saying Wilder was "ruined" by Fury. The Wilder wins were always smoke and mirrors. Deontay still "boxes" the exact same way, he's just not able to land the big right against better competiton.
Well it’s very rare for a fighter to be the same again after suffering back to back KO defeats at 39, so there’s validity to the statement, Wilder was never gonna be as good as he was before
I think "Was" overrated would more be the term, people were starting to see through his bullshit in the negotiations for Usyk and the fight with Usyk along with Joshua demolishing Wallen and Ngannou and Parker and Zhang destroying Wilder I think the myth has well and truly been shattered. I am sure a lot of people from the UK will get behind him in the rematch but I doubt he will have that much support outside of the UK.
I don't think the wins have aged poorly. You don't judge a fight in hindsight you judge it by its own context. The fights with Wilder were years ago. And at that time wilder was considered extremely devastating puncher (true) and somebody who would possibly beat the top contenders in the division. WBC champion.
How many times have I said that Fury's wins over Wilder was no big deal whatsoever? I've said it at least 100 times. Wilder was a bum who in his first 39 fights fought nothing but bums. Why are people surprised by this?
I’m someone who will bash fury at most opportunities because he nearly always deserves it, and I always thought wilder was a bit of a myth given his resume, but we can’t pretend Wilder the last two fights is anything close to the version fury fought. The guy is scared to throw a punch, and that punch is his only chance of winning. Don’t get me wrong though seeing him and fury get their records shat on his hilarious though
We all knew Wilder was a terrible and protected champion. His record said it all...Even his power has been severely inflated. Put Johnny Fisher against 35 bums and he'd probs knock them all out spectacularly as well, doesn't mean he is the 'hardest puncher of all time', as people claimed with Wilder 🤦♂
@@PlusUltraAdrian Pretty much any bronze medal level HW fighter would look like a fearsome knockout artist against the cruiserweights Wilder fought for the first 30 fights of his career...
Alright now you're just being incredibly unfair. Fury doesnt get credit for the Wlad win because Wlad was '39 and past it'? But Wilder now at basically the same age as Wlad, 38, is supposed to be the same fighter that Fury absolutely trounced four years ago when he was 34 and undefeated? Wilder was destroyed twice. His confidence gone. His explosivess, his only attribute ,gone with age. Parker and Zhang beat the gun-shy version whos body lanaguge looked like he didnt even want to be there..
This is why being able to market yourself is very important in boxing because if you actually watch the sport you know beating Wilder isn't an amazing feat.
AJ fans make me can't stand the man!! He's on a decent little run that includes a tough points decision against Franklin (who nobody had heard of), Helenius (who was sparked out in 40 seconds by Wilder), Wallin (who's best win was a Fury loss 🤦) and Ngannou (a boxing novice) and all you fools are making out hes now a Muhammad Ali and Ray Robinson hybrid 🤣🤣
Fury has been exposed as the fraud he is. Wilder was always a terrible boxer. I dont even think he is the hardest puncher of this era let alone 'hardest puncher ever' lmao. What a load of BS. 290lbs Zhang punches harder for a start.
So the wilder who fought zhang is the same person that fought fury 6 years ago? Your headlines are click bait bullshit mate. Thought you knew boxing mate. Talk out of your arse more recently than you used to man. I
I'm glad Wilder and Fury weren't both able to retire having fabricated their own legend in isolation to the rest of the division. People have said that the Fury that fought Wilder the 2nd time would beat Usyk, but that Fury was only possible with his supreme confidence in that camp. He trained properly, strategized and knew it was a mismatch. That destroyer version of Fury was a one shot deal.
In fairness to Fury, the Wilder he beat was a different guy to the one we saw losing to Parker and Zhang. But yes, watching DD battering Miller and Hrgovic speaks volumes on what a special fighter Usyk is.
I agree, although I will caveat that Hrgovic was very underwhelming. The fact Peddy Murphy, Aka Sherman Clump, Aka Jarrell Miller put on a far better perform against DDD is worrying for Hrgovic (or impressive for the African American Butterbean, idk). It's sad really, Hrgovic demonstrated that in terms of raw talent he had the tools to pick DD to pieces, but it's clearly raw talent unrealised.
There is no difference. This is why they have carefully selected opponents for Wilder. We need to ask the question how good is the right hand for Wilder because he is fighting elite heavyweight and he can't put them to sleep. Furyvwas just the first to expose him,l after he cherry picked furry. Now Saudi's have offered what he can't resist and he is getting exposed.
In what ways is he different? Who did “prime Wilder” beat? I agree he was better against Fury and that the Parker fight was a career worst performance from Wilder but he wasn’t a different fighter If you replaced the Wilder who fought Fury with this current version of Wilder, would the Fury fights honestly play out any differently?
I see what you’re saying but the Wilder that fought Fury was a very different Wilder. Time and inactivity and his time doing weird drugs have made him worse.
Fury’s wins over Wilder have only “aged poorly” by people who aren’t smart enough to realise that Fury took absolutely everything that Wilder had from him . Wilder hasn’t been the person since the trilogy and Fury has regressed a bit too . Wilder got KOd twice and went down 5 times in fights 2 & 3 against Fury . Nobody will be the same after that . Sheesh Gman I didn’t realise you could be that thick . 🙄🙄
The best fighter that Aj beat was klitschko and he lost to Fury too. Povetkin and Pulev both lost to klitschko Takam lost to Chisora Fury already beat Whyte Ruiz lost to Parker who had lost to Whyte Leaving only Usyk who Aj didn’t even beat Fury and AJ’s resumes cancel each other out, the deciding factor will be how Fury deals with Usyk in the rematch
@@crabb9966, I literally just disproved that notion, every fighter of note that Aj has beaten has been beat by Fury, or opponents Fury beat or those guys have beaten
@@agnikaineverdies7646you cannot give Fury credit for Povetkin, Pulev, Parker or Takam by proxy. He never fought them so we don’t if he would beaten them. Styles makes fights, remember.
I can't believe no one has mentioned the headbutts from Dubois last night. At first I thought it was accidental because of the height. Then came 2 pretty obvious intentional headbutts (his head clearly moved without his body moving in). And then there was a final comical one that I noticed where the camera was facing Hergovics back, dubois hits him with a hand, both hands are now visible in view, and a second impact knocks the sweat from Hergovics head, and Dubois head appears from behind the impact - it looked like something out of a cartoon to me haha. Honestly, for me it dirtied the victory. And I was rooting for Dubois.
Eh, he deserved it, he's a dirty fighter himself, rabbit punching almost every opponent he's faced, and boasting sending a man to the hospital, glad the bully lost to someone fighting dirty against him, maybe he'll be more humble and fight fair now.
Stop with the nonsense!fighters have levels throughout there careers,yeah some fighters go on fighting past there best.but slagging a fighter off saying they were never no good is shameful.just like fury is shat because he lost to usyk?rember how everyone said dubious will never be anything after the Joyce loss!casual opinions
The AJ loss to Ruiz was bad for the HW division. It gave Fury and Wilder all the marbles (the belts didnt really matter many fan's eyes) and they they propped up the division with a smoke screen for a few years. The depth of fury/wilder resume' combined is astoundingly bad.
Ruiz KO'd AJ. It wasn't just "a loss". Also, AJ ran from Ruiz in the rematch and Ruiz was too fat to chase him down. It wasn't exactly a dominant effort. AJ never hurt Ruiz and never wanted a trilogy fight.
Anyone who says Uysk doesn't have a good resume at HW isn't playing with a full deck. He's because undisputed within 6 fights, he's made an absolute mockery of all the other guys with 20,30,40+ fights.
GMan, Wilder is NOW way passed his prime. Do you know so little to understand that 5-10 years ago Wilder was different than he is now? What do you mean the wins have aged poorly? I am no Wilder or Fury fan, at all, but why are all boxing fans so stupid? Think for yourself mate, stop listening to Sky and other biased media.
Well said! Well said!!Honestly some of the crap that's been spouted is so childish! OK, dislike whoever but stop with the nonsense! There's probably a video out there somewhere still of AJ saying he wasn't ready to fight Wilder after being called out by him! Playground talk!!
@@theblackhand1 No one, Just like Joshua ,Fury and all the other con artist. You just haven't understood what I have said because you are a hate filled fanboy.
It is both valid to say that Wilder was likely better 10 years ago then he is now, but also that his level of opposition was awful, whereas now he is fighting top guys and losing. You definitely can’t include Joshua in this - his wins over Parker, Povetkin, Pulev, Klitschko, Whyte etc were solid wins. Really nothing like that on Wilder’s record. I guess what we can agree on is that Wilder has been mismanaged in his aim to become a significant name in heavyweight boxing. (Although to be fair if all he wanted was to earn millions of dollars then I guess you could say he’s been wonderfully managed). But ultimately he was protected for years from elite competition when he was actually in his prime only to be thrown to the wolves as an aging fighter
Except Wilder’s opposition of late is way better than his opposition of 5-10 years ago. He’s always been a one trick pony with poor technical ability and a killer right hand. That’s why Tyson Fury chose to fight him.
Totally flawed logic and sport commentary to judge fighters on past performances or fights they have had. People change, develop and decline. Takes away from both wilder and fury to down play a classic trilogy. Wilder should be celebrated
My Top 5 Heavyweights in this era? 1. SpeedyGonUsyk Ariba! Ariba! (Too Fast For Everyone) 2. Joshua Voorhees (Back For Revenge) 3. Joseph (Heart of A Lion) Parker 4. Big Bang Zheli Zhang (Chinese Power) 💥 5. Abit Kabayal (German Spitfire) 🔥
I love your opinion G-Man but lets be fair, Wilder looked incredible with the best run of knockouts in heavyweight history. I would argue that the Fury fights broke his heart in the same way that other fighters are never the same once they lose their 0 and in truth he knew he lost the first fight against Fury. It may have been hype but when wilder believed in it, he was incredible!
I think it’s time as well, it’s been 3 years since the last fury vs wilder fight and wilders been inactive. He just didn’t look the same he looked gun shy. If Wilder retires FairPlay to him.
They spent years fighting each other so they could both avoid AJ... They both needed to present the other as the greatest boxer ever so they could be deemed number 1 and 2, a king that was only beaten by a king.
I don’t think it is any different from how Joshua looked when he came back from the Usyk losses. People were banging on then about how Usyk had taken his soul and how he had never looked the same since Ruiz. But Joshua went through a rebuilding process and looks to have gotten back to a good place. With Wilder? Nah fuck rebuilding, his people just threw him to the wolves (Parker and Zhang) after only fighting less than a round in over two years. There is definitely a right way and a wrong way to bring a fighter back from losses
I don't believe that is the case, Wilder would still have been beating the likes of Helenius if not for His Excellency Turkil. He had never fought anybody like Parker and Zhang in his entire career
Bollocks. Difference is simple, Parker and Zhang are actual credible opponents - who are known to be able to punch, Fury has a career long reputation of pillow fists. Only question: Why did Fury make it look so hard 😂😂😂 Guess he didn’t take it seriously like with Francis, Wallin, etc. 😂😂😂
Wilder is obviously a shot fighter. Many were saying he should have retired after the third Fury fight at the time because it was obvious he'd never recover from that, especially given his age.
I still give fury respect for taking the first Wilder fight given the condition both fighters were in at that time, hindsight is always 20-20 but at the time it was an incredibly dangerous fight for Fury to take, Personally i think the fights with fury have aged wilder badly rather than the fury wins themselves aging badly.
@@dannycampbell7294 fury coming off a drug and food induced 3 year lay off, not 100% fit or ring sharp, fighting a man who although had limited boxing skills was always a heavy puncher with the right hand, which in the fight proved to be the case since fury was put down twice. it was only Tysons ridiculous powers of recovery in the 12th that got him through that first fight and you’re telling me it wasn’t dangerous? Lol, no disrespect Danny my man but what planet are you living on 😂, you’re playing the hindsight game with how things have panned out since but in reality everyone thought at the time it was a risky fight.
@kiely4561 🤣🤣 yeah Tyson recovering power and the worlds longest count from the ref! Also Tyson got himself into shape for that fight! have you seen Wilder fight anyone inside the top 10?? left arm up all fight waiting to land the right, that will work against cab drivers not pro boxers! It people like you why Fury got away with all his BS of ducking fighters! if he said he was going to fight a pub manger before Usyk rematch its on ppv for £100 you would pay for it and call him the greatest 🤣🤣
@kiely4561 i live in the real world! Tyson showed his true colours when he ran from the rematch with Vlad then come up with all the BS like his father! I DONT DO REMATCHES BUT THEN WHEN ONTO FIGHT DEL BOY 3 TIMES 🤣
@@dannycampbell7294 you sound super emotional Danny lol, probably a little too emotional for a grown man talking about a boxer 😂, I’ve just been reading some of your other comments and you clearly dislike fury profoundly which is probably why you’re giving off this female energy, you’re also mistaking me for a fury fanboy which couldn’t be further from the truth, the way he’s handled his career over the past few years has been disgusting and i was glad to see Usyk win. However all that said i still give him credit for coming back from a long lay off and taking a dangerous fight in which he almost got stopped in. You’re making the classic and very basic mistake thinking that someone can’t be critical or praising of someone they like or dislike.
Absolute trash video this from Gman 🤣 Fury absolutely destroyed Wilders career, Wilder is nowhere near the same fighter now than he was against Fury, he's been absoulte gun shy in his last couple of fight. Fury knocked his confidence big style.
Moses Itauma the best very young heavyweight prospect says Ben Davidson trained Anthony Joshua is a different guy from the previous version of AJ ! In my opinion he will defeat Daniel Dubios in convincing fashion on September 21st at Wembly ! AJ's many critics will say before he fights Dubios that Daniel will KO Joshua and if Joshua defeats Dubios in convincing fashion they will diminish Dubios to detract from Joshua's victory it happens every time !
Fury fought Wilder at a time when many of the competition did not want to. He deserves respect for that. Fighting Chisora for a third time was Fury’s undoing with the fans. Beating Whyte wasn’t a bad effort as at the time people thought whyte was a good fighter.
Who didn’t want to fight Wilder? AJ chased him for undisputed for years, Whyte was his mandatory for years. Wilder is the guy who avoided any real competition. He only took the Fury fight because Fury was fat and out of shape and he still got a controversial draw when in reality he lost.
All along Fury and Wilder had the most padded records in the division out of nowhere they were marketed as number one and two but it was all hype and media manipulation.
Boxing is meant to be like any other sport, where when you start out you just want to be better than the best, and once you are the best you should want to beat the rest.
And what of Joe Joyce? Has his win over dubois aged beautifully? Listen fighters can suddenly become washed overnight and this is what has happened to both Joyce and wilder. They're both not what they were. End of story. Wilder should retire now. Move on.
I think Fury fighting Wilder strangely lifted Wilder’s reputation. Before Wilder gave Fury a hard time, I rated Wilder very lowly. He sort of lifted in respect with the first Fury fight and the beating Wilder in the second fight lifted Fury’s reputation. So they both helped each other. Wilder’s true level has become apparent, although Wilder is not the fighter he once was. Fury is real level after cherry picking is under very close scrutiny after his Usyk defeat, leaving both Fury and Wilder with much diminished reputations.
I never rated lazy Hergovic. I said before this that Dubois would be too busy and too much work for him. As for wilder- 7 kids and millions in the bank, he doesn’t have the desire any more. He just doesn’t know what else to do. He needs to retire and live a good easy life with his family around him.
One absolute last note. When Tyson Fury tried to clinch Usyk, he had no success because he would press his glove on Tyson's bicep. Therefore Tyson's clinching had no leverage. Sugar Hill trains boxers to use roughhouse tactics such and undue clinching just to lean on the smaller opponent. If Peter Fury had been the coach, he would have anticipated what Team Usyk would do to deal with the expected clinching by Tyson. However it is obvious that Sugar Hill had no idea that Usyk would know how reduce its effectiveness. As Peter F. has said in interviews on a number occasions throughout the last 13 years, a coach must prepare a fighter to deal with how an opponent will react to that fighter's tactics and game plan. Team Usyk knew everything that T. Fury would bring to the table. As Peter F. has already said, while the game plan must be simple for the bigger man, the bigger man still needs a variety of attack (offensively and defensively) to keep the opponent honest. He again has cited that no one should try to outbox the prime boxer but no one should try to maul the opponent from start to finish either. Sugar Hill seemed to have forgotten that a quick man who is 190 cm (6'3" )and 16 stones (224 lbs) has significant physical attributes which must be dealt with. Look at American boxing, especially at the HW level, in the last 20-25 years and see how it has gone downhill. I am an American now staying in India. I know fully well how American sportspeople still overemphasize grit, determination, outpowering and outhustling the opponent. They still emphasize the emotional aspects of sport. They seemed to have forgotten that boxing is chess and not checkers. While the themes from the Rocky movies have a lot of sensational appeal, it really does not apply to the sweet science of boxing. American consumerism is partly to blame as everyone loves excitement. Hill thrives on that. Unfortunately for him, boxing is not based on that. It is based on discipline, patience, sophistication, and a varied skillset. P. Fury has echoed the preceding but he still considered "A Voice in the Wilderness". Best he focuses on his stable.
I always said a long time ago that usyk was a different level to all these other fighters around. I even think usyk was only about 80% in the fury fight and he still won comfortably.
I was ridiculed by people for when I said “ I still think AJ beats Wilder” right after he lost to Usyk twice , and people kept ignoring about how I said AJ was better than Wilder in every department apart from Power , lost how things are seen differently now , Fury tried to sell the idea on how no one could beat Wilder expect for Fury , now 2 other people have beaten Wilder better than what Fury did , and one of those guys lost to AJ
Look at how Wilder Boxed against Zhang. He literally looks like a guy who’s been plucked from the street. Doesn’t have a jab with talking about , no head movement, no feints. Just walking about with his right hand cocked back, telegraphing that big right. It’s actually incredible that Fury fans pointed to the win against this guy as to why Fury is a Heavyweight great. It’s pathetic.
These are the cold hard facts surrounding both Wilder and Fury for years, that anyone with an ounce of common sense and didn't reply with "Dosser" or "Bomb Squad to every strong point, always understood. The big issue is that this cynical business enabled those bullshit narratives FOR YEARS while true champions waited in the wings, until there was just too much money to ignore. It all stinks.
I think we should acknowledge the possibility that the Fury's fights did take a lot out of Wilder... that said... This is once again my problem with Fury having such a thin resume. A good victory or two can have holes poked in it. It's why one needs to build a decent body of work to put one's abilities beyond doubt. When Fury's legacy is beating 2 guys that others have beaten not long after him, it begins to look very unconvincing. I feel like the old pre-AJ vs Ruis myth that only AJ, Fury and Wilder were capable of beating each other looks less and less like it was ever the case. I definitely think the post-Mayweather obsession with preserving "0"s has a lot to answer for...
I think the beatdowns wilder took against fury made him gunshy and scared. I think fury took wilders soul and what was left he sold and made a small fortune to retire with.
Wilder has a career of fighting C/D level guys. I’m not having this “he’s had a 2/3 tough fights now he’s done” obviously he’s not in his prime at 38. But after Fury he’s no longer been able to fight the part timers and fringe contenders he used to. To get back for a title shot or get a big payday he’s had to actually fight someone decent. And we’ve found that he not now, nor was he ever at this level. He has a manufactured, padded record to make it seem as though he’s Clubber Lang. He obviously has power but it’s been massively exaggerated by him, his team, Fury and the Fury fanboys.
@@zh1992 No longer or not willing. Joshua looked shot in his first comeback fight after the Usyk losses but has successfully rebuilt himself over the last 18 months and is looking much more complete and confident. Why on earth didn’t Wilder’s people do the same with him rather than put him in with his longtime sparring partner for one round then leave him on the sofa for 14 months before just throwing him to the wolves
@@samwarrilow2881he beat Franklin comfortably. He looked like exactly what it was. A fighter trying a style that doesn’t fit him. Hardly a shot fighter
@@smithwes2723 I agree completely that he wasn’t in fact shot but that’s what a lot of people were saying. But imagine if they stuck him straight in with an elite fighter straight after? Chances are he would have lost and would be in the same place as Wilder is now. It took Joshua a few fights to get his mojo back
I think last Saturday’s Matchroom v Queensbury have shown that Usyk, Joshua, Fury and Parker are in a different class from the likes of Wilder, Zhang, Dubois and Hergovic. Joshua will break Dubois pretty quickly…within 6 probably…he won’t need to quit this time. But, really the fight that we all want is still Joshua vs Fury.
Not really. Anybody who has actually followed boxing more than the past 5 years - ALWAYS said Wilder is a C level fighter - who was heavily protected. And Fury was always a HYPE job with a very thin resume. And Neither were EVER 1 or 2. AJ would have been undisputed if they were not cowards and avoided him. Usyk vs AJ was always 1 vs 2.
Wilder is just finished now. It wasnt too long ago people were sayign aj is washed up and wilder would smoke him. A prime wilder would still destroy most the heavyweights of today, the guy is just 38 now and is not the fighter he was.
Wilder is at the end of his career. Been a pro for 16 years & won his first world title nearly 10 years ago, making several title defences. Diminishing Fury's wins over Wilder because Wilder is now a spent force is silly. By that logic, Hatton's win over Tszyu is poor because Tszyu didn't do anything afterwards.
Tyson Fury did such a great job selling his wins over Wilder that Wilder came out of those losses with a better reputation than he had before. I was personally never sold on the idea Fury was a better boxer than Joshua, Fury was just a great salesman and capitilised when AJ faltered vs Ruiz and Usyk. There is a reason that Wilder and Fury ducked Joshua, Ruiz and Usyk, there is a reason that PBC stepped in to offer Ortiz a Wilder rematch before he could step in to fight AJ it was all done to protect the myth that these guys were a level above Joshua without proving anything. On the other hand you have Joshua, stepping in and knocking out Wlad, Wallen and Ngannou after Fury went the distance. Joshua was never scared of putting his skills out there either in a fight against Wilder or Fury or against their previous opponents. Imagine if Usyk stepped up to heavyweight and beat Fury first, Joshua would have stepped up to fight Usyk for undisputed no problem and he would have done it without all the insults. Fury and Wilder are getting what they deserve.
Been thinking about this. Maybe the 3 fights have taken both of their souls? 2 fighters in their prime, 3 brutal fights, both now a shadow of what they were (particularly Wilder who taken the most beating).
All the trilogy fights were average fights.It has since been proved the Fury wins over wilder was nothing to shout about.Wilder does not like getting hit.Hes terrified of dementia creeping into his life as a by product of taking to much damage and also the pain.He looked skinny in his fight so I guess he's not taking fighting seriously and possibly not training aswell as he should and more than likely only hanging on for the final paychecks.
To be fair you have to say that Fury's beatdowns of Wilder finished the American. Wilder had not really boxed for years before turning up in saudi to cash out vs Parker. He got another chance at more cashout money last night and took it. Wilder will probably retire now.
These Saudi shows are killing Fury's and Wilder's legacy and is it any wonder? They are putting all the fights against top contenders together, not letting them hide and run from one another the way Fury and Wilder used to, apart from against each other.
For real
Agreed then and flip it look how it has made AJ and Usyk Look. Parker and DDD have now gone on to beat Zhang and Hirgovic. Two great wins for them both respectively.
Hahaha
Better late than never
Bang on
The pair of em held the division up fron undisputed for ages with their BS good riddence
So true 1 down 1 to go I can't wait till furry sails of into that sunset again good riddance 👍🏽
I remember all the commentators (invariably American and British) crowning both men 'kings of the division'.
I'd love to know how you win that particular crown without facing anyone in the top 10 bar each other!
Without a doubt.
Fury had 7 championship fights during his whole career. 3 against the same guy! 😁
@davesmith826 Yeah, always thought it was bizarre... almost circular reasoning.
Could y'all had imagined what Joshua would had done to wilder ? I'd said it for years.
If you know so much why aren’t you a pundit ?
@@disclaimer3477all the pundits predicted a Matchroom win last night, they’re clueless
Wilder has aged and his legs and mind are gone. This is not the Wilder 10 years ago. Has anyone of you have a brain?
@@TaylorVac The best version of Wilder doesn't beat Zhang or Parker. There's a reason he's never beaten anyone at that level throughout his career.
Bit like saying 'imagine what Fury would've done to Ruiz'. We'll never know.
Which part of Fury's resume has aged well??? Which fight did he test dirty for??? In my opinion Fury has the WORST resume of any heavy weight boxer. It has all be Hype and evasion in my opinion
The only one with a good resume and the only ELITE fighter in HW is Usyk. All the others are second class at best with terrible resumes.
Very good point Joshua his lose to Usyk aged well Parker win aged well, and all clean no post fight issues unlike a certain mr Fury
@@TaylorVacno, AJ and parker have good resumes too and now dubois
@@brenthernandez638 They have terrible resumes. You just don't have the cognitive function and critical thinking to understand what you read. You just look at the names. AJ is the same fraud as Fury. Only, Fury had immense talent, but Sugar ruined him when he sold out.
Yep, Fury's CV is terrible.
Fury chose to fight Wilder as the only other option for a title shot was AJ and he didnt fancy a beating from AJ.
Eddie Hearn and Aj offered Fury the fight as a comeback fight, Wilder allowed Fury 2 tune ups, that’s why he went with Wilder
@@agnikaineverdies7646 Between AJ and Wilder, the latter was a less risky opponent for Fury at the time. Also, Fury has always been a bit envious of AJ, so it was also a way to do his own thing.
@@agnikaineverdies7646Watch any interview with Hearn or Fury, they have always said Hearn offered Fury 3 fights - 2 warm up then AJ. And he said no,
Wilder is easier. And Americans are easy to con.
@@christopherstamp5946 "Americans are easy to con". As a fellow American, you speak the sad truth.
Aj fighting bums nowadays while the top hws are fighting each other
Let's be real: Wallin and Ngannou have been iced by AJ, Wilder has been mauled by Parker and demolished by Zhang. Fury's only decent win was a jab and grab fest against an ageing Klitschko. Fury looks now more like a duck than like a goat.
And Joshua beat Klitschko straight after in just his 17th fight because Fury bottled the rematch.
Froch was right when he said Fury has no legacy.
So all fury got a do is beat ruiz. By all ur guys logic that's it.
That's what this aj mauled shit 123 is. Fury just beat up ruiz no matter how fat he is now it be more impressive win then aj v francis or wallin
Aj looks poor compared to all the other top hws while they are all fighting each other ajs fighting bums now
@@AaronOne-ch6op you're missing the point, this isn't a "Joshua vs Fury" issue.
This is an issue about a shallow record that isn't aging well. Joshua's is the same, aside from Parker, none of his wins have stood the test of time.
What's unique or special about Fury's resumè or career upto this point? Is the issue.
All that needs to be said is Fury dropped Wilder, Fury couldn't drop Usyk, Joshua couldnt drop Usyk, Dubois, the new flavor of the month couldn't drop Usyk and had to hit him in the nuts. Usyk is a warrior, takes shots, and has ventured into the land of the giants, basically 4 times now. He should get more credit, and he should retire. He's been fighting for a very long time. But he's stoic, lives a clean life, doesn't talk shit and speaks broken english. He is the master of unintentional mind games. He also talked to Dubois after their fight and told him not to give up, to keep pushing, and dont be hard on himself. Personally, I like watching fighters with skill, and Usyk is definitely skilled.
He doesn't speak much English but how many other languages does he speak?
Zhang doesn't speak English, but if he hits someone they'll fall over.
Usyk and Zhang don't need English to sell their fights.
its fucking bizzare its taken this long for the boxing heads to realize Usyk is the fucking second coming for fucking boxing.
I remember when Fury and his little simps were claiming Wilder was the second best Heavyweight in the world, after him... Yup... It was delusional even back then.
The three Fury/Wilder fights were 3 of the most exciting heavyweight fights of the last decade. All three had great pre-fight buildup and all delivered on the night in the ring. All the drama before, during, and after made them super memorable nights for true boxing fans. . Plus nine knockdowns. Great entertainment. Heavyweights always bring the thrills chills and spills. Tyson ko'd by Douglas, Ali beaten by Spinks and knocked down by tiny Henry Cooper, Lennox sprawled out by Rahman, Norton destroyed by Cooney...the list is endless. Are you not entertained.
Is it not about time to back off of Fury now? I mean the guy has a history of mental breakdowns, so sticking the knife in is likely going to cause even more problems for him. I'm not saying this as a Fury fanboy or anything, I picked Usyk to win and I've consistently mentioned how thin Fury's career resume is, but it's time to get off his back before he's pushed down a very dark path.
As for Dubois, he's really turned his career around and his confidence must be booming. I think he'll fall a little short against AJ though as I think that will be the biggest puncher he's faced and Dubois does get tagged quite a bit.
There is no doubt Fury is a great fighter when he sets his mind to it. But looking at his career his biggest achievements were Vladimir and Wilder. He never took the rematch with Vladimir so he never set that one in concrete. The rest of his opponents that he beat since Wilder have been below his level. Hard to see him as the GOAT.
Apart from Fury, Parker and Zhang, which top quality fighter has Wilder fought? And he lost to those three. It shows Wilder's standard. He was a very well managed/ protected fighter. I hope no one mentions Ortiz, who was closer to 50 years old when Wilder fought him.
Without the Saudis, Wilder wouldn't be fighting the best fighters and Fury wouldn't be fighting Usyk. And we would all live in delusion.
thank you👍👍
Exactly. People complain about the atmosphere but at least we get the fights!
All U people do is mention Tyson in nearly every title even tho it's nothing to do with him, it's border line obsession
mention one single word he said about tyson fury that is not true
All the people Tyson struggled with have all been beaten up since, Wallin got beat up, Ngannou for murdered and now Wilder just got splattered - all his wins are getting worse and worse. Where as that Usyk win over Dubois is getting better and better
I think Dubois would be a very live underdog vs fury now
nothing between fury and usyk though..6 rounds a piece the 10-8 split them
@@saintdon4461 Tyson won a MAXIMUM of 5 rounds, and that's being generous, which I am not. 8-4 with a knock down on my card. Giving Fury 6 rounds is poor fight scoring - sorry
@@RossKempOnYourMum01yeah I'd say so too
@saintdon4461 fury only outlander usyk in 4 rounds and was on the backfoot most of the fight...genuine question how did you give him 6 rounds?
Usyks Dubois win has aged like fine wine
All Usyks fights aged well
Why look back? This was at a time when wilder was probably the favourite to beat fury. Fury deserves his props for when wilder was a straight killer
Usyk's record and quality of opponents, in both weight classes, alone is legendary even without mentioning DDD.
That was clearly not the wilder of old in there
Some jokers clamouring for AJ Dubois are not helping Dubois. That’s a way to kill his confidence
You cant really dismiss someone's wins because a former opponent at nearly 40 loses a few years later when they're the one that ruined that fighter in the first place. If thats the case we could find a way to bash most fighters resumes if we really wanted to. Wilder looks shot to bits because Fury has beaten the fight out of him and made him gun shy, its that simple.
As for Dubois, a good win but who has Hrgovic ever beaten apart from an arguable gift v Zhang and a load of stiffs? - And he beat Miller who was mostly banned for years and never beat anyone of note really. I dont think that makes Usyk's win over him any more special in all honesty.
Gman is a funny one though, right after the fight he was full of conpliments for Fury, saying hes a "tremendous fighter" thats done great things and then the day after he basically started copying Hatman's video topics of trying to bring down all Fury's achievements. Make your mind up 😂
him and hatman both showed how lame they are following fury's fight. unsubbed from both
@waldorojasboxing punch perfect boxing is the best channel, no politics, no agendas or clickbait, just straight boxing and good knowledge. Chris Andre is good too but he's not doing videos at the moment
I’m no Tyson fan boy, but this is harsh, wilder has aged badly and a lot of that is down to what the 3 fights with Tyson took out of him. Plus he is approaching 39
Cap 🧢 you fury fan boys were still saying he would Ko Aj when he Ko helinius in one round. That wasn’t too long ago. No he is old and the fury fights took a lot from him? How convenient. Wilder has always been trash
mention one elite heavyweight deotay wilder has ever beaten before he fought tyson fury?
@@francisigbinevbo1290you are as thick as the last muppett. I never said he did fight any elite hw’s before fury. All i said was hes 39 and the fury fights have took a lot out of him. Perfectly reasonable comments i stand by. And im entitled to. Why do you care what i wrote? Cause your a sad wee keyboard warrior. So now respectfully piss off and get a life
Fury apologists keep saying Wilder was "ruined" by Fury. The Wilder wins were always smoke and mirrors. Deontay still "boxes" the exact same way, he's just not able to land the big right against better competiton.
Well it’s very rare for a fighter to be the same again after suffering back to back KO defeats at 39, so there’s validity to the statement, Wilder was never gonna be as good as he was before
So Fury is basically overrated 😮
He's definitely a very good fighter, but he's indeed overrated.
OBVIOUSLY.
Always has been I've seen better feints on a Saturday night outside Yates
@@iffysd9864😂😂😂😂😂
I think "Was" overrated would more be the term, people were starting to see through his bullshit in the negotiations for Usyk and the fight with Usyk along with Joshua demolishing Wallen and Ngannou and Parker and Zhang destroying Wilder I think the myth has well and truly been shattered. I am sure a lot of people from the UK will get behind him in the rematch but I doubt he will have that much support outside of the UK.
We seen the 2 best fight each other, AJ v usyk
Dubois has transformed since the Miller fight. He was so good last night.
Still got hit too often for me, but i agree he has come on leaps and bounds, really happy for him, but i worry about his long term health.
I don't think the wins have aged poorly. You don't judge a fight in hindsight you judge it by its own context. The fights with Wilder were years ago. And at that time wilder was considered extremely devastating puncher (true) and somebody who would possibly beat the top contenders in the division. WBC champion.
The amount of revisionist history going on lately is quite sad
How many times have I said that Fury's wins over Wilder was no big deal whatsoever? I've said it at least 100 times. Wilder was a bum who in his first 39 fights fought nothing but bums. Why are people surprised by this?
Fury now only has one name on his resume
I’m someone who will bash fury at most opportunities because he nearly always deserves it, and I always thought wilder was a bit of a myth given his resume, but we can’t pretend Wilder the last two fights is anything close to the version fury fought. The guy is scared to throw a punch, and that punch is his only chance of winning. Don’t get me wrong though seeing him and fury get their records shat on his hilarious though
We all knew Wilder was a terrible and protected champion. His record said it all...Even his power has been severely inflated. Put Johnny Fisher against 35 bums and he'd probs knock them all out spectacularly as well, doesn't mean he is the 'hardest puncher of all time', as people claimed with Wilder 🤦♂
I wouldn't say his power is inflated. Say what you want about Wilder as a fighter, the mans right hand is deadly.
@@PlusUltraAdrian Pretty much any bronze medal level HW fighter would look like a fearsome knockout artist against the cruiserweights Wilder fought for the first 30 fights of his career...
Why so much Fury bashing? Wilder is shell of himself and even you said 2016-20 Wilder would have beat AJ, so you rated him yourself
it doesn't suit his anti-fury narrative and he can't let down his master hatman
Alright now you're just being incredibly unfair.
Fury doesnt get credit for the Wlad win because Wlad was '39 and past it'?
But Wilder now at basically the same age as Wlad, 38, is supposed to be the same fighter that Fury absolutely trounced four years ago when he was 34 and undefeated?
Wilder was destroyed twice. His confidence gone. His explosivess, his only attribute ,gone with age. Parker and Zhang beat the gun-shy version whos body lanaguge looked like he didnt even want to be there..
It was all downhill when Mark Breland was sacked. How karma comes around
This is why being able to market yourself is very important in boxing because if you actually watch the sport you know beating Wilder isn't an amazing feat.
AJ fans make me can't stand the man!! He's on a decent little run that includes a tough points decision against Franklin (who nobody had heard of), Helenius (who was sparked out in 40 seconds by Wilder), Wallin (who's best win was a Fury loss 🤦) and Ngannou (a boxing novice) and all you fools are making out hes now a Muhammad Ali and Ray Robinson hybrid 🤣🤣
Fury has been exposed as the fraud he is. Wilder was always a terrible boxer. I dont even think he is the hardest puncher of this era let alone 'hardest puncher ever' lmao. What a load of BS. 290lbs Zhang punches harder for a start.
So the wilder who fought zhang is the same person that fought fury 6 years ago? Your headlines are click bait bullshit mate. Thought you knew boxing mate. Talk out of your arse more recently than you used to man. I
Wilder should never have switched sports. He did well when he was fighting Divers. Since he started fighting boxers he's lost every fight.
Fury & Wilder have been overhyped coz they have been fighting weak opposition, Usyk is the truth
I disagree, Wilder was destroyed by Fury. The Wilder who fought Parker and Zhang was a broken Wilder.
I'm glad Wilder and Fury weren't both able to retire having fabricated their own legend in isolation to the rest of the division.
People have said that the Fury that fought Wilder the 2nd time would beat Usyk, but that Fury was only possible with his supreme confidence in that camp. He trained properly, strategized and knew it was a mismatch. That destroyer version of Fury was a one shot deal.
How can you compare wilder of today to the old wilder it's just ridiculous..
Because there's such thing as being a fury hater.
Wilder has always been a bum just like fury there resume is full of dustbin men's and cab drivers FFS 🤣🤣😂
Once a puncher has lost the mystique and fear factor the game changes
Dubois always has a way of fighting dirty either by low blows or head buts
Gman, stop your biased comments. Wilder took a lot of punishment, plus he lost his belt, plus he is 38 years old.
In fairness to Fury, the Wilder he beat was a different guy to the one we saw losing to Parker and Zhang. But yes, watching DD battering Miller and Hrgovic speaks volumes on what a special fighter Usyk is.
I agree, although I will caveat that Hrgovic was very underwhelming. The fact Peddy Murphy, Aka Sherman Clump, Aka Jarrell Miller put on a far better perform against DDD is worrying for Hrgovic (or impressive for the African American Butterbean, idk).
It's sad really, Hrgovic demonstrated that in terms of raw talent he had the tools to pick DD to pieces, but it's clearly raw talent unrealised.
There is no difference. This is why they have carefully selected opponents for Wilder. We need to ask the question how good is the right hand for Wilder because he is fighting elite heavyweight and he can't put them to sleep. Furyvwas just the first to expose him,l after he cherry picked furry. Now Saudi's have offered what he can't resist and he is getting exposed.
Same goes for Tysons win with an old Vlad...
In what ways is he different? Who did “prime Wilder” beat?
I agree he was better against Fury and that the Parker fight was a career worst performance from Wilder but he wasn’t a different fighter
If you replaced the Wilder who fought Fury with this current version of Wilder, would the Fury fights honestly play out any differently?
I see what you’re saying but the Wilder that fought Fury was a very different Wilder. Time and inactivity and his time doing weird drugs have made him worse.
Fury’s wins over Wilder have only “aged poorly” by people who aren’t smart enough to realise that Fury took absolutely everything that Wilder had from him . Wilder hasn’t been the person since the trilogy and Fury has regressed a bit too . Wilder got KOd twice and went down 5 times in fights 2 & 3 against Fury . Nobody will be the same after that . Sheesh Gman I didn’t realise you could be that thick . 🙄🙄
Two good fighters build up to be worlds best for the promotion .Had AJ not lost they would both be a footnote in history .
Best resumes in HW boxing:
1. AJ (Klitschko. Parker, Povetkin, Ruiz, Takam, Usyk, Pulev, Whyte)
2. Parker (Wilder, Ruiz, AJ, Zhang, Joyce, Whyte)
3. Usyk (Fury, AJ, Dubois) [Undefeated]
4. Dubois (Usyk, Joyce, Hrgovic, Bryan, Miller)
Worst resume:
1= Tyson Fury / Deontay Wilder
The best fighter that Aj beat was klitschko and he lost to Fury too.
Povetkin and Pulev both lost to klitschko
Takam lost to Chisora
Fury already beat Whyte
Ruiz lost to Parker who had lost to Whyte
Leaving only Usyk who Aj didn’t even beat
Fury and AJ’s resumes cancel each other out, the deciding factor will be how Fury deals with Usyk in the rematch
@@agnikaineverdies7646 AJ has a much better resume, I'm not saying AJ is better than Fury but his resume is better
@@agnikaineverdies7646 Klitschko vs Fury should not even be qualified as a combat sport
@@crabb9966, I literally just disproved that notion, every fighter of note that Aj has beaten has been beat by Fury, or opponents Fury beat or those guys have beaten
@@agnikaineverdies7646you cannot give Fury credit for Povetkin, Pulev, Parker or Takam by proxy. He never fought them so we don’t if he would beaten them.
Styles makes fights, remember.
I can't believe no one has mentioned the headbutts from Dubois last night. At first I thought it was accidental because of the height. Then came 2 pretty obvious intentional headbutts (his head clearly moved without his body moving in). And then there was a final comical one that I noticed where the camera was facing Hergovics back, dubois hits him with a hand, both hands are now visible in view, and a second impact knocks the sweat from Hergovics head, and Dubois head appears from behind the impact - it looked like something out of a cartoon to me haha.
Honestly, for me it dirtied the victory. And I was rooting for Dubois.
Eh, he deserved it, he's a dirty fighter himself, rabbit punching almost every opponent he's faced, and boasting sending a man to the hospital, glad the bully lost to someone fighting dirty against him, maybe he'll be more humble and fight fair now.
Stop with the nonsense!fighters have levels throughout there careers,yeah some fighters go on fighting past there best.but slagging a fighter off saying they were never no good is shameful.just like fury is shat because he lost to usyk?rember how everyone said dubious will never be anything after the Joyce loss!casual opinions
this guy has lost my respect with stupid takes like this.
You don't think those two beatings in fights two and three hasn't taken anything out of him? Crazy!
The AJ loss to Ruiz was bad for the HW division. It gave Fury and Wilder all the marbles (the belts didnt really matter many fan's eyes) and they they propped up the division with a smoke screen for a few years. The depth of fury/wilder resume' combined is astoundingly bad.
Ruiz KO'd AJ. It wasn't just "a loss". Also, AJ ran from Ruiz in the rematch and Ruiz was too fat to chase him down. It wasn't exactly a dominant effort. AJ never hurt Ruiz and never wanted a trilogy fight.
Mike Tysons wins over razor ruddock aged pretty poorly does it mean that Mike Tyson was shite
Anyone who says Uysk doesn't have a good resume at HW isn't playing with a full deck. He's because undisputed within 6 fights, he's made an absolute mockery of all the other guys with 20,30,40+ fights.
I've always said it, I have eyes and have always been able to see fury isn't what's sold to us
Dubois beat hygovic due to his repeated headbutting. Should have been disqualified.
Are you telling us that John Fury was over there all this time and advising Dubois... that sneaky snake 😁
The referee didn’t see it as that.
End of discussion 😅
GMan, Wilder is NOW way passed his prime. Do you know so little to understand that 5-10 years ago Wilder was different than he is now? What do you mean the wins have aged poorly? I am no Wilder or Fury fan, at all, but why are all boxing fans so stupid? Think for yourself mate, stop listening to Sky and other biased media.
Well said! Well said!!Honestly some of the crap that's been spouted is so childish! OK, dislike whoever but stop with the nonsense!
There's probably a video out there somewhere still of AJ saying he wasn't ready to fight Wilder after being called out by him!
Playground talk!!
Ok. then list the killers Deyonce was beating 5-10 years ago?If he was that good back then….
@@theblackhand1 No one, Just like Joshua ,Fury and all the other con artist. You just haven't understood what I have said because you are a hate filled fanboy.
It is both valid to say that Wilder was likely better 10 years ago then he is now, but also that his level of opposition was awful, whereas now he is fighting top guys and losing. You definitely can’t include Joshua in this - his wins over Parker, Povetkin, Pulev, Klitschko, Whyte etc were solid wins. Really nothing like that on Wilder’s record.
I guess what we can agree on is that Wilder has been mismanaged in his aim to become a significant name in heavyweight boxing. (Although to be fair if all he wanted was to earn millions of dollars then I guess you could say he’s been wonderfully managed).
But ultimately he was protected for years from elite competition when he was actually in his prime only to be thrown to the wolves as an aging fighter
Except Wilder’s opposition of late is way better than his opposition of 5-10 years ago. He’s always been a one trick pony with poor technical ability and a killer right hand. That’s why Tyson Fury chose to fight him.
Can't wait to see Deontay still in the WBC top 10
They’ll move him up in the ranks
😂😂😂
Totally flawed logic and sport commentary to judge fighters on past performances or fights they have had. People change, develop and decline. Takes away from both wilder and fury to down play a classic trilogy. Wilder should be celebrated
My Top 5 Heavyweights in this era?
1. SpeedyGonUsyk Ariba! Ariba! (Too Fast For Everyone)
2. Joshua Voorhees (Back For Revenge)
3. Joseph (Heart of A Lion) Parker
4. Big Bang Zheli Zhang (Chinese Power) 💥
5. Abit Kabayal (German Spitfire) 🔥
I love your opinion G-Man but lets be fair, Wilder looked incredible with the best run of knockouts in heavyweight history. I would argue that the Fury fights broke his heart in the same way that other fighters are never the same once they lose their 0 and in truth he knew he lost the first fight against Fury.
It may have been hype but when wilder believed in it, he was incredible!
Against nobody's
@@brynjulvdavis And your knockout record is???
@@quinndavid-h7g I don't claim to be the baddest man on the planet you nugget and I wasn't the WBC HW champion that fought bums 🤣🤣
I think it’s time as well, it’s been 3 years since the last fury vs wilder fight and wilders been inactive. He just didn’t look the same he looked gun shy. If Wilder retires FairPlay to him.
DDD could take Hrgovic ' s power flush, sure. But i doubt that strategy works with AJ.
They spent years fighting each other so they could both avoid AJ... They both needed to present the other as the greatest boxer ever so they could be deemed number 1 and 2, a king that was only beaten by a king.
Wilder hasn't been the same since he lost to Fury, that's an obvious fact
Fury took his soul
I don’t think it is any different from how Joshua looked when he came back from the Usyk losses. People were banging on then about how Usyk had taken his soul and how he had never looked the same since Ruiz. But Joshua went through a rebuilding process and looks to have gotten back to a good place. With Wilder? Nah fuck rebuilding, his people just threw him to the wolves (Parker and Zhang) after only fighting less than a round in over two years. There is definitely a right way and a wrong way to bring a fighter back from losses
How?? He was getting out boxed by Gearld Washington ffs
I don't believe that is the case, Wilder would still have been beating the likes of Helenius if not for His Excellency Turkil. He had never fought anybody like Parker and Zhang in his entire career
Bollocks.
Difference is simple,
Parker and Zhang are actual credible opponents - who are known to be able to punch,
Fury has a career long reputation of pillow fists.
Only question: Why did Fury make it look so hard 😂😂😂
Guess he didn’t take it seriously like with Francis, Wallin, etc. 😂😂😂
And this is why you can't just beat a couple of names and expect to have a legacy.
Wilder is obviously a shot fighter. Many were saying he should have retired after the third Fury fight at the time because it was obvious he'd never recover from that, especially given his age.
Real Training is very hard, because you have to keep doing it on days you don't want to... and if you don't like doing it, you should quit the event's
I still give fury respect for taking the first Wilder fight given the condition both fighters were in at that time, hindsight is always 20-20 but at the time it was an incredibly dangerous fight for Fury to take, Personally i think the fights with fury have aged wilder badly rather than the fury wins themselves aging badly.
😅😅😅 How was Wilder a Dangerous fight??? the man only liked to fight cab drivers????
@@dannycampbell7294 fury coming off a drug and food induced 3 year lay off, not 100% fit or ring sharp, fighting a man who although had limited boxing skills was always a heavy puncher with the right hand, which in the fight proved to be the case since fury was put down twice. it was only Tysons ridiculous powers of recovery in the 12th that got him through that first fight and you’re telling me it wasn’t dangerous? Lol, no disrespect Danny my man but what planet are you living on 😂, you’re playing the hindsight game with how things have panned out since but in reality everyone thought at the time it was a risky fight.
@kiely4561 🤣🤣 yeah Tyson recovering power and the worlds longest count from the ref! Also Tyson got himself into shape for that fight! have you seen Wilder fight anyone inside the top 10?? left arm up all fight waiting to land the right, that will work against cab drivers not pro boxers!
It people like you why Fury got away with all his BS of ducking fighters! if he said he was going to fight a pub manger before Usyk rematch its on ppv for £100 you would pay for it and call him the greatest 🤣🤣
@kiely4561 i live in the real world! Tyson showed his true colours when he ran from the rematch with Vlad then come up with all the BS like his father! I DONT DO REMATCHES BUT THEN WHEN ONTO FIGHT DEL BOY 3 TIMES 🤣
@@dannycampbell7294 you sound super emotional Danny lol, probably a little too emotional for a grown man talking about a boxer 😂, I’ve just been reading some of your other comments and you clearly dislike fury profoundly which is probably why you’re giving off this female energy, you’re also mistaking me for a fury fanboy which couldn’t be further from the truth, the way he’s handled his career over the past few years has been disgusting and i was glad to see Usyk win. However all that said i still give him credit for coming back from a long lay off and taking a dangerous fight in which he almost got stopped in. You’re making the classic and very basic mistake thinking that someone can’t be critical or praising of someone they like or dislike.
Absolute trash video this from Gman 🤣 Fury absolutely destroyed Wilders career, Wilder is nowhere near the same fighter now than he was against Fury, he's been absoulte gun shy in his last couple of fight. Fury knocked his confidence big style.
Moses Itauma the best very young heavyweight prospect says Ben Davidson trained Anthony Joshua is a different guy from the previous version of AJ ! In my opinion he will defeat Daniel Dubios in convincing fashion on September 21st at Wembly ! AJ's many critics will say before he fights Dubios that Daniel will KO Joshua and if Joshua defeats Dubios in convincing fashion they will diminish Dubios to detract from Joshua's victory it happens every time !
💯💯💯
Tyson Fraud just hype job.
Now he’s been fully exposed - Don’t forget LOST to MMA fighter 😂😂😂😂
Fury fought Wilder at a time when many of the competition did not want to.
He deserves respect for that.
Fighting Chisora for a third time was Fury’s undoing with the fans. Beating Whyte wasn’t a bad effort as at the time people thought whyte was a good fighter.
Most of the HW devision is full of bums
Who didn’t want to fight Wilder? AJ chased him for undisputed for years, Whyte was his mandatory for years. Wilder is the guy who avoided any real competition. He only took the Fury fight because Fury was fat and out of shape and he still got a controversial draw when in reality he lost.
no Tyson Fury does not deserve any respect at all..
Dubois has a great resume so far considering hes only gone 26 years of age.
He quit against Usyk. How is that "great"?
All along Fury and Wilder had the most padded records in the division out of nowhere they were marketed as number one and two but it was all hype and media manipulation.
Boxing is meant to be like any other sport, where when you start out you just want to be better than the best, and once you are the best you should want to beat the rest.
And what of Joe Joyce? Has his win over dubois aged beautifully?
Listen fighters can suddenly become washed overnight and this is what has happened to both Joyce and wilder.
They're both not what they were. End of story. Wilder should retire now.
Move on.
I think Fury fighting Wilder strangely lifted Wilder’s reputation. Before Wilder gave Fury a hard time, I rated Wilder very lowly. He sort of lifted in respect with the first Fury fight and the beating Wilder in the second fight lifted Fury’s reputation. So they both helped each other. Wilder’s true level has become apparent, although Wilder is not the fighter he once was. Fury is real level after cherry picking is under very close scrutiny after his Usyk defeat, leaving both Fury and Wilder with much diminished reputations.
I never rated lazy Hergovic. I said before this that Dubois would be too busy and too much work for him. As for wilder- 7 kids and millions in the bank, he doesn’t have the desire any more. He just doesn’t know what else to do. He needs to retire and live a good easy life with his family around him.
Wilder was never any good
One absolute last note. When Tyson Fury tried to clinch Usyk, he had no success because he would press his glove on Tyson's bicep. Therefore Tyson's clinching had no leverage. Sugar Hill trains boxers to use roughhouse tactics such and undue clinching just to lean on the smaller opponent. If Peter Fury had been the coach, he would have anticipated what Team Usyk would do to deal with the expected clinching by Tyson. However it is obvious that Sugar Hill had no idea that Usyk would know how reduce its effectiveness.
As Peter F. has said in interviews on a number occasions throughout the last 13 years, a coach must prepare a fighter to deal with how an opponent will react to that fighter's tactics and game plan. Team Usyk knew everything that T. Fury would bring to the table.
As Peter F. has already said, while the game plan must be simple for the bigger man, the bigger man still needs a variety of attack (offensively and defensively) to keep the opponent honest. He again has cited that no one should try to outbox the prime boxer but no one should try to maul the opponent from start to finish either. Sugar Hill seemed to have forgotten that a quick man who is 190 cm (6'3" )and 16 stones (224 lbs) has significant physical attributes which must be dealt with.
Look at American boxing, especially at the HW level, in the last 20-25 years and see how it has gone downhill. I am an American now staying in India. I know fully well how American sportspeople still overemphasize grit, determination, outpowering and outhustling the opponent. They still emphasize the emotional aspects of sport.
They seemed to have forgotten that boxing is chess and not checkers. While the themes from the Rocky movies have a lot of sensational appeal, it really does not apply to the sweet science of boxing. American consumerism is partly to blame as everyone loves excitement. Hill thrives on that. Unfortunately for him, boxing is not based on that. It is based on discipline, patience, sophistication, and a varied skillset.
P. Fury has echoed the preceding but he still considered "A Voice in the Wilderness". Best he focuses on his stable.
Anti fury channel now is it? You and hatman on somebody's pay roll??? 😂😂
I always said a long time ago that usyk was a different level to all these other fighters around. I even think usyk was only about 80% in the fury fight and he still won comfortably.
We need to see Fury vs AJ to settle the question of if he's really overated.
I was ridiculed by people for when I said “ I still think AJ beats Wilder” right after he lost to Usyk twice , and people kept ignoring about how I said AJ was better than Wilder in every department apart from Power , lost how things are seen differently now , Fury tried to sell the idea on how no one could beat Wilder expect for Fury , now 2 other people have beaten Wilder better than what Fury did , and one of those guys lost to AJ
Even Zhang admitted that Wilder is not the same fighter he was before
Look at how Wilder Boxed against Zhang. He literally looks like a guy who’s been plucked from the street. Doesn’t have a jab with talking about , no head movement, no feints. Just walking about with his right hand cocked back, telegraphing that big right. It’s actually incredible that Fury fans pointed to the win against this guy as to why Fury is a Heavyweight great. It’s pathetic.
These are the cold hard facts surrounding both Wilder and Fury for years, that anyone with an ounce of common sense and didn't reply with "Dosser" or "Bomb Squad to every strong point, always understood.
The big issue is that this cynical business enabled those bullshit narratives FOR YEARS while true champions waited in the wings, until there was just too much money to ignore.
It all stinks.
Or could it just be that wilder got old? Has Holyfield’s win over mike Tyson aged poorly because Tyson lost to Danny Williams.
I think we should acknowledge the possibility that the Fury's fights did take a lot out of Wilder... that said...
This is once again my problem with Fury having such a thin resume. A good victory or two can have holes poked in it. It's why one needs to build a decent body of work to put one's abilities beyond doubt. When Fury's legacy is beating 2 guys that others have beaten not long after him, it begins to look very unconvincing.
I feel like the old pre-AJ vs Ruis myth that only AJ, Fury and Wilder were capable of beating each other looks less and less like it was ever the case.
I definitely think the post-Mayweather obsession with preserving "0"s has a lot to answer for...
I think the beatdowns wilder took against fury made him gunshy and scared. I think fury took wilders soul and what was left he sold and made a small fortune to retire with.
No man, it's the ayahuasca. Malik Scott etc have ruined him with dugs.
Wilder has a career of fighting C/D level guys. I’m not having this “he’s had a 2/3 tough fights now he’s done” obviously he’s not in his prime at 38. But after Fury he’s no longer been able to fight the part timers and fringe contenders he used to. To get back for a title shot or get a big payday he’s had to actually fight someone decent. And we’ve found that he not now, nor was he ever at this level.
He has a manufactured, padded record to make it seem as though he’s Clubber Lang. He obviously has power but it’s been massively exaggerated by him, his team, Fury and the Fury fanboys.
@@zh1992 No longer or not willing. Joshua looked shot in his first comeback fight after the Usyk losses but has successfully rebuilt himself over the last 18 months and is looking much more complete and confident. Why on earth didn’t Wilder’s people do the same with him rather than put him in with his longtime sparring partner for one round then leave him on the sofa for 14 months before just throwing him to the wolves
@@samwarrilow2881he beat Franklin comfortably. He looked like exactly what it was. A fighter trying a style that doesn’t fit him.
Hardly a shot fighter
@@smithwes2723 I agree completely that he wasn’t in fact shot but that’s what a lot of people were saying. But imagine if they stuck him straight in with an elite fighter straight after? Chances are he would have lost and would be in the same place as Wilder is now. It took Joshua a few fights to get his mojo back
I think last Saturday’s Matchroom v Queensbury have shown that Usyk, Joshua, Fury and Parker are in a different class from the likes of Wilder, Zhang, Dubois and Hergovic. Joshua will break Dubois pretty quickly…within 6 probably…he won’t need to quit this time. But, really the fight that we all want is still Joshua vs Fury.
You are worse than true Gordie
Not really. Anybody who has actually followed boxing more than the past 5 years - ALWAYS said Wilder is a C level fighter - who was heavily protected. And Fury was always a HYPE job with a very thin resume.
And Neither were EVER 1 or 2.
AJ would have been undisputed if they were not cowards and avoided him.
Usyk vs AJ was always 1 vs 2.
Wilder is just finished now. It wasnt too long ago people were sayign aj is washed up and wilder would smoke him. A prime wilder would still destroy most the heavyweights of today, the guy is just 38 now and is not the fighter he was.
Wilder is at the end of his career. Been a pro for 16 years & won his first world title nearly 10 years ago, making several title defences. Diminishing Fury's wins over Wilder because Wilder is now a spent force is silly. By that logic, Hatton's win over Tszyu is poor because Tszyu didn't do anything afterwards.
Tyson Fury did such a great job selling his wins over Wilder that Wilder came out of those losses with a better reputation than he had before. I was personally never sold on the idea Fury was a better boxer than Joshua, Fury was just a great salesman and capitilised when AJ faltered vs Ruiz and Usyk. There is a reason that Wilder and Fury ducked Joshua, Ruiz and Usyk, there is a reason that PBC stepped in to offer Ortiz a Wilder rematch before he could step in to fight AJ it was all done to protect the myth that these guys were a level above Joshua without proving anything. On the other hand you have Joshua, stepping in and knocking out Wlad, Wallen and Ngannou after Fury went the distance. Joshua was never scared of putting his skills out there either in a fight against Wilder or Fury or against their previous opponents. Imagine if Usyk stepped up to heavyweight and beat Fury first, Joshua would have stepped up to fight Usyk for undisputed no problem and he would have done it without all the insults. Fury and Wilder are getting what they deserve.
Been thinking about this. Maybe the 3 fights have taken both of their souls? 2 fighters in their prime, 3 brutal fights, both now a shadow of what they were (particularly Wilder who taken the most beating).
All the trilogy fights were average fights.It has since been proved the Fury wins over wilder was nothing to shout about.Wilder does not like getting hit.Hes terrified of dementia creeping into his life as a by product of taking to much damage and also the pain.He looked skinny in his fight so I guess he's not taking fighting seriously and possibly not training aswell as he should and more than likely only hanging on for the final paychecks.
@@Hypyffn777Df hahaha incredible
To be fair you have to say that Fury's beatdowns of Wilder finished the American. Wilder had not really boxed for years before turning up in saudi to cash out vs Parker. He got another chance at more cashout money last night and took it.
Wilder will probably retire now.