Is Being an Electrician Worth It in 2024?

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  • Опубліковано 18 лис 2024

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  • @CarlMurawski
    @CarlMurawski  Місяць тому +22

    My favorite work gear:
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    • @charleslopaneciii97
      @charleslopaneciii97 Місяць тому +3

      @@CarlMurawski 600 dollar boots…

    • @CarlMurawski
      @CarlMurawski  Місяць тому +4

      @@charleslopaneciii97 buy once, cry once

    • @keithpomella9953
      @keithpomella9953 14 днів тому

      @@CarlMurawski I started in the IBEW in 1985 as a apprentice wireman 1 when I was 29 yrs. Old, Tough union to get into. I already had experience going in but never in a structured program, makes a big difference 👍

  • @PrecursorYang
    @PrecursorYang Місяць тому +369

    I started my apprenticeship with the electrician union early this year at 29 years old. Definitely never too late.

    • @Hopeofmen
      @Hopeofmen Місяць тому +7

      Ditto, though I work for a non union company. I love being an electrician, even when pulling wire is a pain.

    • @BOoMbap3
      @BOoMbap3 Місяць тому +6

      Same... pulling wire, lighting circuits, socket outlets etc I hate doing those.

    • @LuisFlores-mc2tc
      @LuisFlores-mc2tc Місяць тому +4

      @hmoobmikah you weren't abused, and you actually had someone that wanted to teach??? Lucky

    • @FazeMonk95
      @FazeMonk95 Місяць тому +5

      @@LuisFlores-mc2tc there’s non union companies that are greater than unionized ones don’t be fooled

    • @PrecursorYang
      @PrecursorYang Місяць тому +17

      @LuisFlores-mc2tc one of my journeyman is a good guy. He actually makes us physically do the work AFTER he teaches us how to do it in the first place. He's honestly a good teacher. All of the apprentices on our jobsite loves working with him. He actually take responsibility over our screw ups. He says sorry when it wasn't his fault, when it was ours. He's a Christian man.

  • @GManibusanII
    @GManibusanII Місяць тому +236

    Just passed my journeyman exam today at 33, it’s never too late to start!

    • @CarlMurawski
      @CarlMurawski  Місяць тому +8

      Congratulations!!!

    • @brianharper8304
      @brianharper8304 Місяць тому +14

      good on you , I qualified at 41 & am still going strong 17 years later

    • @nathanieljentzen7931
      @nathanieljentzen7931 Місяць тому +2

      Also passed my Journeyman License at age 33. Congratulations!

    • @Stover6996
      @Stover6996 Місяць тому +7

      Right there with you. 34 and in the process of submitting my paperwork for the test. Covid ended one career for me but kickstarted a better one.

    • @jasonblaha6891
      @jasonblaha6891 Місяць тому +2

      Congrats bro

  • @aaronwidder4458
    @aaronwidder4458 Місяць тому +98

    Ive been an electrician 20 years now, and have had my masters 3 years now. Theres one thing that never ceases to amaze me. Which is how hard it is to find someone worth training and making into an electrician. I tell the helpers all the time, "its not hard to shine this day and age". All you have to do now, is just show up!

    • @Xris18713
      @Xris18713 Місяць тому +6

      Honestly it was like that in the old days as well..

    • @kgt9535
      @kgt9535 23 дні тому +2

      Good help is hard to find...the younger gens (for the most part) just have so much unnecessary baggage and issues that come along with them in the field; and nobody wants to be juggling that and the work demands.

    • @Samurai-jv3ud
      @Samurai-jv3ud 20 днів тому +3

      Okay boomers

    • @johnlee7622
      @johnlee7622 17 днів тому

      @@Samurai-jv3udprobably have a broccoli haircut and don’t like being told what to do even though you have no idea what you are doing!!!

    • @buddymax4388
      @buddymax4388 15 днів тому +2

      KEEPING OF THE PHONE IS A BIG ONE.

  • @Lone_Wolf1022
    @Lone_Wolf1022 Місяць тому +101

    I’m 46. Using the GI bill to complete a 9 month Electrician apprentice program . Always strive to learn and grow. Never stay stagnant.

    • @PrecursorYang
      @PrecursorYang Місяць тому +8

      Look into the "hardhat to helmets" program. They help vets transition into the trades.

    • @Petesworkshop2225
      @Petesworkshop2225 Місяць тому +2

      @Lone_Wolf1022
      That's me now... eight years in this position just got stagnant. Used to love this stuff, I guess just got tired.
      Learning is always exciting, then you learn it sucks.

    • @ZMAN166
      @ZMAN166 29 днів тому

      @@Lone_Wolf1022 What program did you go through? I'm planning to do the same soon

    • @Lone_Wolf1022
      @Lone_Wolf1022 29 днів тому +2

      @@ZMAN166 I am doing a 9 month program at the Lamson Institute here in San Antonio TX. There are similiar schools that offer the same. I'm using the G.I Bill but without student aid it's about 18K or so.

    • @Hatim.13
      @Hatim.13 10 днів тому +1

      Check the IBEW helmets to hardhats program, it's a 5 years apprenticeship, if you live in a pro union state you ll be making 6 figures when you top out, and you still can a nice pension/annuity if you do it for the rest of your career

  • @starkparker16
    @starkparker16 Місяць тому +269

    Pro- Everybody you know will have ceiling fans
    Con- You will put in all those ceiling fans

    • @CarlMurawski
      @CarlMurawski  Місяць тому +15

      Hahahaha this is so true

    • @lacuzon39000
      @lacuzon39000 Місяць тому +5

      I give 20% off for fan installation in winter and +50% in summer .

    • @GeoFry3
      @GeoFry3 Місяць тому

      @lacuzon39000 I personally prefer doing indoor work during the summer and outdoor work in the winter. Gladly do those installs during the summer at reasonable rates.

    • @lacuzon39000
      @lacuzon39000 Місяць тому +3

      @@GeoFry3 i meant usually installing fan in many cases involves crawling in attic space for wiring and setting up a proper fan box and it’s not fun in the summer .

    • @GeoFry3
      @GeoFry3 Місяць тому +3

      @lacuzon39000 True. I wasn't thinking along those lines. A fan replacement is what I was thinking.
      Going into the attic for any reason is a fee.
      Going into the attic during the summer is a much higher fee.

  • @andrewsalazar98
    @andrewsalazar98 Місяць тому +161

    I’ve been an electrician for the past 5 years, and the earning potential is definitely there, especially if you go union.

    • @PrecursorYang
      @PrecursorYang Місяць тому +12

      Unionpayscales shows you the union pay rate in each local city and state.

    • @francismarion6400
      @francismarion6400 Місяць тому +5

      Depends where you are at. I know non-union electricians making $100hr.

    • @PrecursorYang
      @PrecursorYang Місяць тому +13

      @francismarion6400 it does depend on where you live. Union total package includes on the paycheck hourly rate +free health insurance + pension and or 401k. Although it may seem less thst union make up less on the paycheck than nonunion, that doesn't include the free healthcare and pension 401k cost that the contractor pays for them. Non union you have to pay that out of pocket or choose to go without. If you do the math on how much your 401k and Healthcare is costing you, you can see your real take home pay.

    • @francismarion6400
      @francismarion6400 Місяць тому +3

      @hmoobmikah Hard to do a true comparison of Healthcare cost with so many variables. Some of the non-union electricians I'm around also get Healthcare and 401k. If you are in an area of high demand, you can get as much or more than the typical union pay and benefits.

    • @benjamintorres9211
      @benjamintorres9211 Місяць тому

      @@francismarion6400 those electricians are definitely in the vast minority when it comes to non-union. How many non-union electricians make $100 an hour seriously speaking lol not many and if ghey are licensed and running their own company than that’s not even a real comparison since they’re no longer an employee. Union all the way IBEW Local 400

  • @tombrewsaugh1399
    @tombrewsaugh1399 Місяць тому +92

    39 years in the trade retired in 2013. Have had both sholders operated on. Joint in right thumb repaired. Have arthritis in both knees, both hands, and upper back. Have a small fracture in one of my vertebes. But I enjoyed the feeling of accomplishment when the job was done and everything worked.

    • @BetterThanYesterday69
      @BetterThanYesterday69 Місяць тому +1

      If you could do it over again would you still go into a trade or do something different

    • @userxRQx93x
      @userxRQx93x Місяць тому +5

      Tell us those shoulders weren't injured during work ? I am now starting to see how dangerous this job actually is on the job.

    • @xartisan9063
      @xartisan9063 Місяць тому +11

      @@userxRQx93x Honestly all construction Jobs are pretty dangerous. And the same dangerous chemicals you run into in construction are in the food. So possibly darned if you do and darned if you don't.

    • @xartisan9063
      @xartisan9063 Місяць тому

      @@userxRQx93x Honestly all construction Jobs are pretty dangerous. And the same dangerous chemicals you run into in construction are in the food. So possibly darned if you do and darned if you don't.

    • @unti419
      @unti419 Місяць тому +3

      I retired at 61 after three shoulder surgeries, What can you when your shop sends out anyone that walks in the door, and they have no concept of what a shovel is. I had to do a lot of work that others couldn't do and had no desire to do, just get the project completed. I have both knees bad, my right hip bad, I worked way to hard to get these projects done, while the clueless crackheads the company hired stood by and watched.

  • @MarkJohnson-ht8wd
    @MarkJohnson-ht8wd Місяць тому +28

    You nailed it. 35 years as an electrician. I'm in my late 60's and now doing maintenance electrical work. Still on a ladder and yes, my body is always sore. The money is excellent because of a shortage of skilled workers. I remember the days of absolutely no work anywhere. It was soul crushing. Would I do it again? YES!

  • @samthiel4315
    @samthiel4315 Місяць тому +17

    I’ve been working with medium and high voltage for the last 4 years and it has been extremely rewarding and lucrative and will continue to be as I progress in my career. Thankful to guys like Carl promoting this industry.

  • @johnarcher9480
    @johnarcher9480 Місяць тому +62

    Electricians will be in more demand than ever with the ever increasing automation of industry, and even the home.

    • @huemann7637
      @huemann7637 Місяць тому +10

      Unless the economy collapses due to ridiculous monetary policy…

    • @BlackDub21
      @BlackDub21 Місяць тому

      @@huemann7637 automation and smart grids ftw

    • @CruiseWavy396
      @CruiseWavy396 Місяць тому

      Not true. Right now there are thousands of union electricians not working because our economy is shot. Because of the new world order being ushered in by tyrannical leaders, we won't be seeing a change in the economy for the better. Hurricanes and floods are going to ravage North America first.

    • @Turnpost2552
      @Turnpost2552 29 днів тому +5

      Well then that would be a society collapse. (Weall cant prepare for an armagaddeon)

    • @1984Kojot
      @1984Kojot 12 днів тому +1

      Simple electrician won't do that sort of things.

  • @Dukenoger
    @Dukenoger 23 дні тому +13

    As a trade school electrical instructor, I search for videos that give a fair outlook on the electrical trades. This one is the best I’ve seen. Thanks for the content and assistance with the next generation of Sparkies!

    • @CarlMurawski
      @CarlMurawski  23 дні тому

      Thank you for doing what you do!!

    • @johnlee7622
      @johnlee7622 17 днів тому +2

      Nom union shops in my area pay guys w less than 20 years experience about what the guy selling u cell phones at T mobile makes, but they want you to work your balls off and bring in 2k worth of tools to every job u show up at, I would never recommend the trades to anyone, and when I do I say you need to go union or open a shop, cuz those are the only two ways you will ever buy a house doing this absoloutly brutal work

    • @Dukenoger
      @Dukenoger 16 днів тому +1

      U sound like u made of Jello bro. Yeah … it’s probably not for you.

  • @ErickChinoC
    @ErickChinoC Місяць тому +14

    the electrical trade is vast , started doing commercial and high end residential , but past 16 years went into hvac bms controls, more technical less grunt work. I love the trades!

  • @martinschulz9381
    @martinschulz9381 Місяць тому +21

    Working as a welder I worked around many electricians over the years. I found them generally to be pretty smart capable people...kind of a cut above on the work sites. I always enjoyed talking to them as I had many technical questions. "Aluminum or copper?" Good video.

    • @CarlMurawski
      @CarlMurawski  Місяць тому +4

      Much appreciated! I've wired up many banks of welders and found some great people in the trade.

    • @brodriguez11000
      @brodriguez11000 Місяць тому +2

      I imagine electrician isn't a very forgiving field if one doesn't know what they're doing.

  • @Martin4Mary4Ever
    @Martin4Mary4Ever Місяць тому +35

    I feel this man.
    The best electrician I've worked with was a tiny last with the mouth of a sailor. She couldn't keep up with hanging equipment but she knew how to wire and ensure others wire well

    • @MrSwagMan-l1h
      @MrSwagMan-l1h Місяць тому +5

      @@Martin4Mary4Ever doesn't sound like the best

  • @JIm-w1b
    @JIm-w1b 29 днів тому +7

    I made a lucrative career out of being a factory electrician/mechanic what's also called maintenance, but maintenance means different things to different people. I was jack of all trades, I did it all, welding, machining, plumbing, machinery installation and repair, servicing and adjusting, building maintenance, HVAC. I served an informal apprenticeship as a helper and learned on the job. While sometimes things were hectic and busy, most of the time, I was on call, and generally had a lot of sitdown coffee time, and a steady 40 work week with some, but minimum overtime. If you're a handy kind of person who can work with tools, I would definitely recommend you get into maintenance. In the year 2014 when I retired, I was making $38 an hour with benefits. I'm also white and learned to speak Spanish, my company paid for it, what was a real advantage here in Texas

  • @the_swoletariat1621
    @the_swoletariat1621 Місяць тому +14

    I was doing Traveling Transmission Powerline work the last 7 years, went to 16 states to work, 3 storm jobs, and am also an NCCCO crane operator. I just switched to Union Ironworking and I’m liking it a lot!

  • @timmaybanks5473
    @timmaybanks5473 Місяць тому +31

    I worked in the trades for 30 years and everything you said is 100% true glad to be retired and finally relax god bless you brother.

    • @CarlMurawski
      @CarlMurawski  Місяць тому +1

      Congratulations on making it out!

    • @BetterThanYesterday69
      @BetterThanYesterday69 Місяць тому +3

      If you could do it over again would you go into a trade or do something different

  • @Electricalcodeclassonline
    @Electricalcodeclassonline Місяць тому +8

    Do it! Start today! I’m 13 years in the trade and I would do it again. Awesome career path and plenty of work out there to be done. Great video! 👍

  • @fox_5oh203
    @fox_5oh203 Місяць тому +9

    All the cons sound sooooooooo much better than being a dealership technician. Im packing my box at the end of the year and never looking back cant wait to start a new career

    • @LONEWULFINTHECUT3
      @LONEWULFINTHECUT3 27 днів тому

      @@fox_5oh203 i worked at a Ford dealership as a used car porter. get the hell outta there bro! 💯

  • @UncivilisedSavage
    @UncivilisedSavage Місяць тому +26

    As an electrician, an industrial electrician working mostly on high speed automated production lines, it has not been the best investment I have made. It's been the worst investment when I factor in the damage my body has endured doing the work. I can weld, rebuild gearboxes, diagnose and rebuild car engines. The only fulfilling work I could do which doesn't pay much is work on farm machinery, which will be more brutal but it will be worth it as my mental health will not be negatively affected by the demands of ruthless venture capitalist executives.

  • @g59s
    @g59s Місяць тому +15

    hey carl, ive basically watched all your videos on this account and your other one, my brother recently decided he wanted to become a electrician, im a nursing student but still enjoy all ur videos so i sent him a handfull of ur videos talking about apprenticeships and workwear and he found ur videos very helpfull, cheers.

    • @CarlMurawski
      @CarlMurawski  Місяць тому +5

      Thanks so much! I really hope they’re helpful.

  • @ArneAsada69
    @ArneAsada69 Місяць тому +96

    Drink a Monster for breakfast and drink yourself to sleep at night. I felt that one to my core. 😂

    • @CarlMurawski
      @CarlMurawski  Місяць тому +13

      The struggle is real!

    • @joseharo1249
      @joseharo1249 Місяць тому +4

      @@ArneAsada69 I literally had a monster next to me when he said that lol

    • @DRaven-of2lv
      @DRaven-of2lv Місяць тому +3

      @@ArneAsada69 Every blue collar job

    • @francismarion6400
      @francismarion6400 Місяць тому +5

      I used to be like that and even thought it was the only way. Been sober 4 years and life is so much better. Still have the energy drinks though.

    • @brodriguez11000
      @brodriguez11000 Місяць тому +2

      @@DRaven-of2lv Even white collar. Poor diet just seems to be the working man's lot in life.

  • @Boneheaddiesel1
    @Boneheaddiesel1 Місяць тому +13

    I get where your coming from as I'm a welder and have been doing that since I was 15 ( now 36 ) I've learned alot of the pros and cons and I've also bounced around because it can get old. As a welder I've done quite a few different versions and learned where you actually make money. I recommend it to alot of people but I also tell them the truth and that turns alot of ppl away unfortunately. Yes you can make money as a welder but the real money is on like oil rigs, underwater welding, oil pipeline and boiler maker leaving the majority share production welding which is a mixed bag. I'm glad someone is saying these things especially now and I wish I could be able to tell more ppl like you.

  • @charlesking678
    @charlesking678 Місяць тому +15

    I'd say service is different. I'm in Atlanta and because of corporations realizing there is big money in service (in particular residential service), the price of jobs is going up and the pay to the techs is going down. I dunno if I'd recommend it anymore because the money isn't what it used I be.

  • @SuperZippyzippy
    @SuperZippyzippy 20 днів тому +5

    Im a 12.5 year electrician at 46.. the work can suck ass some days, but it's a decent career

  • @billystpaul8907
    @billystpaul8907 Місяць тому +14

    The trades are begging for workers here in MN and WI as well. A college degree used to mean something. No more. I wish I would have learned a trade instead of driving for the last 45 years. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy it, but there have both good and bad times. My brother was a plumber his whole life and it provided a very good living.

    • @veehickle4095
      @veehickle4095 Місяць тому +7

      The trades in mn wouldn't need to beg for help if they adjusted their start times in the winter. Nobody wants to set lamp posts outside, in the dark, 0 degrees f at 6am.

    • @billystpaul8907
      @billystpaul8907 Місяць тому +7

      @@veehickle4095 I know, I start at 5am and the winters really get me down. I hate it when it gets dark by the time I get home from work at 4:30..

    • @PrecursorYang
      @PrecursorYang Місяць тому

      ​@billystpaul8907 For real? I know that the IBEW in MN pays really good. Your winters must be brutal!!

    • @brandonbarnes8997
      @brandonbarnes8997 Місяць тому +1

      Nah college is still good. My old lady a rn second year already almost making Six figures not even mid 20s. Her brother an engineer making six figures a couple years in. It's definitely great if you good with the books.

    • @MrSeth166
      @MrSeth166 17 днів тому

      Plumbers here in LA California are the most expensive trades...
      They charge more than a doctor...
      They might be doing $200k to $250k easy...

  • @Fishbones89
    @Fishbones89 Місяць тому +5

    I agreed with everything in this video. I understand location has a lot to do with pay but I have been an electrician for 5 years and decided to stick to residential, mainly in the service and repair side. The average wage in my area between the companies is $80,000-$120,000 a year. It is commission work but if you have morals and stick to them you can definitely make a good living and sleep at night knowing you did a good job and got things fixed!

  • @Logan_Victorian
    @Logan_Victorian Місяць тому +10

    Thank you for being real about it. I considered HVAC but honestly I don’t play well with others and I could totally see myself throwing someone off the edge of a building because bullying gets my blood boiling and I’m caring less and less about the consequences as the quality of people’s character collectively keeps going down. I gotta look elsewhere, I appreciate the advice. 😊

  • @davedevito6204
    @davedevito6204 9 днів тому +1

    Thank you Carl...I teach a 4th year apprenticeship class...I have been looking for someone to invite in and talk about this specific topic...I'm inviting you or at least this video...Very well done...a rarity on UA-cam nowadays...No screams, sparks, or BS...just straight up "How it is"...They are almost all residential with a little commercial...I try hard to show them what else is out there...hearing pretty much my exact words from someone else helps cement the "step out of your comfort zone" mentality on them...Thanks again...Dave

  • @paulawalach1770
    @paulawalach1770 27 днів тому +2

    Hello Carl,
    I,ve been a electrician since 1972. ..... I paid the price of working cheap for the first twenty years as doing free Lance electrical work. I was living in the state of NH. IT IS primarily a non-union with wages not far above a MCdonals restaurant working. Hence, the further north you go in the state the less you can ge5 for the job. My prowess back in 1972 was to work in the electrified mass rail transit and be an IBEW electrician. An impossible venue to find employment in unless you had a relative in. Then I worked heavy industrial automation machine building. That was also non union. But then came a hostile take over of the company, and this was back in 2011, where I took my skill sets and got into working for a rail transit company and got my IBEW UNION CARD. I,m in the railroad division of the IBEW. IT IS A STEP UP FROM WHERE I USED TO WORK AS AN INDUSTRIAL ELECTRICIAN, BECAUSE THE MEN I WORKED WITH DID NOT WANT TO SHARE JOB KNOWLEDGE WITH ME ESPECIALLY WHEN IT CAME TO PLCs variable speed drives etc. It was there form of sexual harassment. Working in a railroad environment there are electrical installations especially within four feet of track that is not covered by the NEC. yet if you install electrical equipment even in that environment, there are specs from the manufactures methods of installation that is required. Like not using wire nuts in wet locations because they are listed for dry locations. Yet every electrical enclosure i,ve ever opened up depicts moisture or the once presence of moisture like rusted out wire nuts that was even covered with electrical tape, plus vibrations from train sets. That is why I used 2006s copper Buchanan splice caps with nylon insulator snap on caps that make it easy to poke in a wiggy probe for trouble tracing, (I don,t like to say trouble shooting. ). You be surprised at what i,ve learned being somewhat self taught. Now my job entails railroad draw bridges. An entirely new electrical leaning experience for me. I,m an old dog being taught new tricks whether I like it or not. I,m now being a maintainer/ or trouble tracer. Rail road draw bridges are very complicated because there are numerous motor drives like span locks and breaking motors etc.along with PLC. STILL LEARNING. AND YES WHEN I BUILT MY HOME BACK IN THE 1980S I WIRED IT IN EMT. EVEN THE DOOR BELL WIRING. JUST LIKE THE MANDATED CHICAGO ELECTRICAL CODE. I WAS PROUD. AS to being an electrician? 52 years and still working? If I had to do it over again , It would of been either I work in the union or I would of become an electrical engineer .....in a way it sucked working non - union. But I loved my trade especially some of the accomplishment of trouble tracing. I may write a book about it and the failures of electrical installations due to installing electricians not following manufacturers protocols.
    And yes I do ride a pedal bike daily to the shop I work out of.and yes I eat healthy. Especially fermented polish cabbages and some of the like foods vegetarian. My babcia new better. Hence, I like being a shop rat , as opposed to being a traveler on union jobs.
    MISS PAULA (POLENKA, POLYA) WALACH-FORMER INDUSTRIAL ELECTRICIAN-UNION MEMBER IBEW LICENSED SINCE 1972
    Polish, Ukrainian, & Russian heritage.

    • @paulawalach1770
      @paulawalach1770 26 днів тому +3

      Hi Carl,
      Thanks for getting back to me. And yes, I ve been to the Ukraine and visited where my maternal grandmother was born just north of Kiev. And yes I took a picture of an electric service with a goose neck wire entry of two wires only of straight 220volts. I did not take notice at the time whether it was a grounded reference, of either leg. But what fascinated me was the extent of electric mass transit system especially electric trolley buses with the two pole overhead wire configuration of current collection. And Ukraine having the longest trolley bus system in the world going from Yalta to almost to Odessa over 50 miles of 600volt overhead cdeteatenary distribution. With numerous substation feeders. Wowww.
      Anyways if you can give me your e-mail address, I can send you some comments i,ve made about how EVs are "PREDATORY ENGINEERED " BY the automakers to fail or catch fire. One example of that is even in my ICE vehicles I have a carbon monoxide detector. And yes ,, my gas hot air furnace in my home circuit is looped through a reverse acting relays so if there was a carbon monoxide , from that gas furnace, it would be shut down when going into alarm mode. Same thing with my attic ventilator,,,,,, when there is smoke,,,, that ventilator also shuts down, because air movement would excelerate the fire.
      I,m still learning the trade.
      Paula Walach

    • @mattsrollingworld1081
      @mattsrollingworld1081 20 днів тому

      Paula !!! You sound awesome.
      Write the Book !!!

  • @blackbeardtx371
    @blackbeardtx371 14 днів тому +2

    I'm a veteran of the electrical trade with 10+ years in, I've work industrial, commercial and rezzy, this video is pretty spot on! I've been talking to my high school age sons about possibly entering a trade so I may send them this video.
    I will say as far as dating, I never had issues with women turning their nose up, I never say "I work in construction" but rather I was specifically an "electrician", the first one can imply anything from sweeping floors to project manager. I'm in TX in a smaller city so blue collar is pretty well respected and most people know sparkys make good money(or can anyway). So little advice for your buddy!

  • @galaxybounce82
    @galaxybounce82 Місяць тому +7

    134$ an hour out here in the bay. Been doing 200k a year consistent even taking a month or 2 off.

  • @lloydbenham
    @lloydbenham Місяць тому +2

    I've been an industrial electrician for six years now, and it's been a rewarding challenge. I really enjoy working with VFD's, PLC's, and any type of motion controls. I've had decades of computer experience before becoming an electrician, and these new skills really complement everything I've learned about programming and networking.

    • @psilo8702
      @psilo8702 13 днів тому

      why the move from cushy work like IT to electrican? just money?

  • @spennythejet
    @spennythejet Місяць тому +15

    Excellent video but I did laugh at the job being tough on the body (I'm a plumber so this is an obligation of the trade to jab sparkies) all jokes aside you really nailed a lot of the issues tradesman face for the most part. I live in northern Canada and if you can believe it portapottys are a little worse in - 45 (urinals iced over eno said)

  • @JoeFriday-h9n
    @JoeFriday-h9n Місяць тому +3

    I was in flooring , I always wanted to be an electrician because they were always the cleanest on the job

    • @cumminspower
      @cumminspower 17 днів тому

      @@JoeFriday-h9n No, not usually…..

  • @angelbarajas8297
    @angelbarajas8297 Місяць тому +5

    You uploaded this video a day before I planned to visit a technical school to potentially learn a trade. I was on the fence with learning electrical technologies or something in the HVAC field. Theres a lot of fruit packing warehouses with cold rooms in my area, so I might choose the latter. Thanks for uploading this so I have an idea of what I might be getting into.

    • @PrecursorYang
      @PrecursorYang Місяць тому

      My brother has a friend who used to work in HVAC. He quit 2 years in. He just couldn't do the work environment.

  • @wanderingonfaith6294
    @wanderingonfaith6294 23 дні тому +2

    Great video you nailed it.Just retired from the trade and im HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY

  • @danichicago9140
    @danichicago9140 Місяць тому +5

    As a 25th year IBEW Wiremen apprentice i can say it pays. If you can land a municipal gig its the pinnacle of the industry as far as ot and conditions. 25 years = bilateral carpal tunnel, 1 torn meniscus, C4-7 fusion, 1 pointer finger tip severed and reinstalled, and 50+ random stiches. Anyone over 40 is getting run off if your not a complete worm also. The best system is everyone goes back to the hall after their call. I never had a transfer as a Wiremen. 16 years on outside and i had 1 full calendar year of employment. I loved being laid off in summer

    • @PrecursorYang
      @PrecursorYang Місяць тому +1

      People think getting a layoff is terrible. Not so if you're good at managing your money. A layoff is a paid vacation.

    • @DavePerry-h5r
      @DavePerry-h5r Місяць тому

      Too much name hire in some IBEW locals.

  • @SpidermansSymbiote
    @SpidermansSymbiote 23 дні тому +2

    Just passed my Red Seal here. I'm in the IBEW and it's the best choice I ever made.

  • @ViceCoin
    @ViceCoin 21 день тому +3

    I wished I studied welding, crane, forklift operator skills. And majored in engineering as a hobby.

  • @electricianron_New_Jersey
    @electricianron_New_Jersey Місяць тому +1

    34 years and I do residential service work for myself. Started in the Seabees and Parlayed that into a full blown career. School never ends and that’s huge part of becoming successful.

  • @ETY20
    @ETY20 Місяць тому +2

    I've been battling a case of tennis elbow lately. All the conventional wisdom is "give it a few months of rest." That's all well and good for me, I'm not a tradesman. But it boggles my mind how someone who works with their hands has to deal with something like this. You guys are just built different.

    • @mitri5389
      @mitri5389 Місяць тому +1

      Most of them are on something. No joke

  • @Keith.Zielinski
    @Keith.Zielinski Місяць тому +2

    Brother you are on point!
    Most folks want the job, until it's time to do the job.
    Put God first, service to others, and regardless of where you end up it is a worthwhile venture.

  • @What1zTyme
    @What1zTyme 15 годин тому +1

    Good seminar! Thanks!

  • @BenCarson-sn8ye
    @BenCarson-sn8ye 8 днів тому +1

    Just retired from 40yrs as a electrician,never had to look for work.I did residential,commercial,industrial.The more you know,the more you are worth.I ran crews,I worked in the office doing estimating.Learn to program several lighting controller systems.(Lutron,Vantage,Radio Ra).In my final years after the company I worked for closed I finished up as a contractor and still will do small jobs.It all depends on how far you want to take it,skys the limit or you can be an apprentice your whole career.Its very physical work,but I enjoyed it.

  • @nickm9123
    @nickm9123 Місяць тому +2

    I'm a residential sparky. Technically I'm an apprentice, but I have just south of 10 years infield. I could get my license if I get sponsored for the school. It's worth it.

    • @SolarTechFL
      @SolarTechFL Місяць тому

      I just got sponsored by my county I'm going to add electrical license to my solar license. Go do it

  • @albertrodriguez156
    @albertrodriguez156 Місяць тому +29

    Im not an electrition but the girl I dated in highschool had a 50 year old dad who was a lineman for years. He got a brain tumer and successfully had it removed but had 3 work friends he started with that had died from cancer.
    He said that working with high voltage lines definitely had something to do with it.

    • @Aldo-d6z
      @Aldo-d6z Місяць тому

      @@albertrodriguez156 I worked as a lineman for 45 years. I wasn’t a traveling gypsy. Worked for a local utility. I saw old timers retire in the 70s and 80s with no ills aside from advanced age issues. Made great money gave me a great home, pension , lifetime medical benefits for myself and my wife. Yes we had 16 hr days . Money was never an issue though.

    • @ExtraCheese666
      @ExtraCheese666 Місяць тому +2

      Electrician*

    • @Aldo-d6z
      @Aldo-d6z Місяць тому +2

      @@ExtraCheese666 come on dude .Spell check? Really?

    • @ExtraCheese666
      @ExtraCheese666 Місяць тому

      @@Aldo-d6z absolutely

    • @francismarion6400
      @francismarion6400 Місяць тому +3

      ​@@Aldo-d6zHis goal is to be an English teacher at Haaavad one day.

  • @Kyp031
    @Kyp031 19 днів тому +2

    I got more into controls, and I love the field.

  • @Berta_5.sl0w
    @Berta_5.sl0w 21 годину тому

    Starting my apprenticeship on Jan 6th!! Super excited

  • @unti419
    @unti419 Місяць тому +1

    I retired at 61 as a commercial electrician. I worked for three companies in my career, the last for 18 years. I ran jobs that were mostly ground up churches and schools, plus s few box stores here and there. I agree with a lot of what you say. I can say that the biggest problem I've had is project managers trying to cut cost by not giving me what I need to do the job.

    • @ronnie-z4e
      @ronnie-z4e Місяць тому

      These office people have to do that. The only way a company can invoice customers is from installation. Workers. Office people are pure overhead as they do NOTHING to generate income. They have to cut costs as much as possible to justify their salary. Which is way more than the workers... Go figure that....

  • @tomp538
    @tomp538 7 днів тому

    Carl you provided many valuable insights with regard to the electrical trade. But your advice goes for ALL trades... substitute vehicle mechanic/technician and you are describing my life's journey.
    Especially the relationship anecdote is golden; if he/she won't take you as is, you're better off with someone else...

  • @amossnowdaharleyman9179
    @amossnowdaharleyman9179 Місяць тому +2

    I'm old and do most things for myself. Including simple electrical work. Wired several structures to industrial level code.I learned how to do this by watching qualified electricians over the decades who were doing work for me and reading books.My talent is knowing when to call in the professional BEFORE I electrocute myself.

  • @BOATIE141
    @BOATIE141 Місяць тому +1

    This couldn’t have come at a better time, I’m going into the electrical trade and am on track to getting a NCCER license. Planning on also getting back and getting my engineering degree

  • @ClayAdams-zj8yf
    @ClayAdams-zj8yf Місяць тому +5

    Ive been an electrician for 37 years. Where I'm from electricians are a dime a dozen. In a town of about 25000 we have around 35. Some licensed some not. Everyone cutting each others throat.

  • @Rex_Rectum
    @Rex_Rectum Місяць тому +4

    I've been an electrician for 6 years did one year of commercial to start and almost gave up on the trade but I swapped to residential and figured out running pipe just isn't for me

  • @Greyson-g2o
    @Greyson-g2o 23 дні тому +1

    My father has been working as a electrician for 30+ years under his own business he’s taught me many things over time still prefers it over his other lines of work during his life

    • @Juan_deep
      @Juan_deep 23 години тому

      Sama here im 30 tech college grad cant find a job to save my life so i went back to working w my old man dont see ai taking my job again for the next 50 years

  • @donteellington7911
    @donteellington7911 Місяць тому +4

    Here in Kansas City union electrician is making $47 an hour before benefits etc, but plumbers are at $55 decisions decisions

  • @repaircollc
    @repaircollc Місяць тому +19

    I laugh when I hear that you can go from the field to the office because of your experience 😂. Its a wonderful thought, but has only happened like twice in history sometime in the 1980's.

    • @CruiseWavy396
      @CruiseWavy396 Місяць тому +1

      If you're a hot female you can get into the office SOOOO EASSSILY because the office guys think you'll fk them

    • @tcross7287
      @tcross7287 28 днів тому

      @@repaircollc Every shop I’ve worked at 90% of the PMs, estimators, pre planners and operations people came from the field. I found it was same for top 10 contractors to shops with less 100 people in the field.

    • @johnlee7622
      @johnlee7622 17 днів тому +1

      I also know ppl w 0 trade experience who get office jobs because they know someone, what a sham

  • @Plummchild
    @Plummchild Місяць тому +15

    I just got a job in the trades and lemme tell you, if you live in an area that is booming they will hire people with 0 experience as long as you are able to show you have the ability to learn

    • @imsorryreacts
      @imsorryreacts Місяць тому +1

      @@Plummchild how’s the pay so far

    • @ianhall6614
      @ianhall6614 Місяць тому

      Two students that completed the welding program I’m in got journeyman level positions at a chevron refinery near me. The need is there

    • @Plummchild
      @Plummchild Місяць тому

      @@imsorryreacts starting at 40k with bonuses for finishing work. Not bad for my lifestyle when I'm also being trained and licensed as well by the company

    • @cloroxbleach6039
      @cloroxbleach6039 Місяць тому

      @@ianhall6614 Bru I’m doing welding about to finish my school and I have been interested in being an electrician instead 😭

    • @tuinfarto608
      @tuinfarto608 Місяць тому

      @@Plummchild where's the work located?

  • @carmmarian8124
    @carmmarian8124 19 днів тому +3

    30 years commercial painter. Worked for my dad who was a union contractor. When he retired I took buisness non union. Porto Jon’s are the worst. Since I work for myself now I drive to McDonald’s or closest public place with a bathroom. I’ve dealt with cold or hot Porto Jon’s for to long. Only in an extreme emergency for me anymore. Some of the worst people I’ve ever met have been painters. Love the trade it has served me well over the years but the typical painter is hard to deal with for 8 hours. It’s one major drawback to the trade.

  • @bajothesparky2445
    @bajothesparky2445 Місяць тому +1

    The 1of the few, that will never let you without money. Cheers 💪⚡

  • @banginsteel4978
    @banginsteel4978 9 днів тому

    40 years in the trade. I'm now retired and loved the trade. Last 20 years I ran a portion of the field and it was getting very hard to find good help.
    In the Seattle area it's pretty easy to be into 6 figures.

  • @metricdeep8856
    @metricdeep8856 Місяць тому +5

    There is only going to be more electrical/electricity in our lives. Solid career choice...even better when you go out on your own.

    • @mitri5389
      @mitri5389 Місяць тому +1

      @metricdeep8856 lol until you find out there is 4 to 5 other companies in your area doing exactly that, and they have equipment, vehicles, and workers. Good luck. Also, lay off every winter.

    • @metricdeep8856
      @metricdeep8856 Місяць тому

      @@mitri5389 Are houses the only thing that have wires? The electricians in automation work in clean/air conditioned shops year round...then go onsite for install if they can travel. Good work, no layoffs.

    • @mitri5389
      @mitri5389 Місяць тому

      @metricdeep8856 lol most companies I've worked for were, in fact, commercial... it's a bad field. Everyone above 35 had some type of joint reconstructive surgery. There are plenty of other less dangerous, less back breaking fields to work in that pay the same or way better.

    • @metricdeep8856
      @metricdeep8856 Місяць тому

      @@mitri5389 So...give up and do nothing. Enjoy your winters off. Cheers.

    • @mitri5389
      @mitri5389 Місяць тому

      @metricdeep8856 I don't work in the trades anymore, so it doesn't affect me.

  • @raymondcausey3926
    @raymondcausey3926 Місяць тому +2

    Great video Carl!
    Looking to get licensed by the end of the year. Currently doing residential but soon as I’m licensed I plan on trying out airports or hospitals.

  • @edwinmondragon3762
    @edwinmondragon3762 Місяць тому

    Thank you so much for making these. As a voc ag teacher, I encourage every trade kids are interested in but have little experience in each trade itself. This is usable when a kid asks about being an electrician.

    • @CarlMurawski
      @CarlMurawski  Місяць тому

      You are so welcome! Thank you for doing what you do, guiding today’s youth is incredibly important.

  • @tbey74
    @tbey74 10 днів тому +1

    In electrical classes now at a trade program in my city. I finish January 2025. Cant wait 😁

  • @jasonjennings8465
    @jasonjennings8465 29 днів тому +1

    I moved from doing electrical work to work in a data center. So much better imo. No more worrying about my boss finding a job. No more hard labor. Cant beat it.

  • @kennethirving3761
    @kennethirving3761 4 дні тому

    I have been a industrial Electrician over 40 years now. At 62 the ladders were kicking my Butt.Currently Building control panels. I definitely had to slow it down.

  • @solidsnake9065
    @solidsnake9065 5 днів тому +1

    It's a wonderful carrer but, I was surprised to study that it takes between 4 to 5 years to become an electrician.

  • @tomp6685
    @tomp6685 Місяць тому

    I work for a large commercial contractor in the Southeast. We have plumbing, electrical, sheet metal, and a Millwright division. I walked into HR the other day and saw the new hire apprentice board. HR hired 34 people last month. Of those 34, only 2 were for plumbing, and one was for sheet metal. The rest were electrical. Everyone wants to be an electrician because it's the cool trade that currently pays the most.

  • @263sparky3
    @263sparky3 Місяць тому +1

    Been an electrician now for 25 years. Never once got a license (I don’t believe in pieces of paper saying I’m qualified)
    I make real good money and have great benefits. Non union, I don’t do side work and I don’t put in much OT. Just as with anything you do, you give it all you got and you will be compensated.
    Do something that works for you and you’ll do good at it

  • @howcanimiss
    @howcanimiss Місяць тому +2

    Love the “live better” segments of the channel

  • @thomashardy1851
    @thomashardy1851 Місяць тому +3

    I've been doing an associates for general industrial electrician for a coming up on a couple years with the plan of finishing my apprenticeship within the IBEW. I think it's kind of overblown on how willing companies are to hire greenhorns at least in my area, especially since the job market isn't doing well. Most people I know doing their apprenticeship while in school (it's required in California to be enrolled in an electrical school) are working for a relative's company or a family friend's company.

  • @JohnThomas-lq5qp
    @JohnThomas-lq5qp Місяць тому +1

    Spent 50 enjoyable years as an electrician .Always had more side work then I could handle. Use to purchase 200 to 600' of service cable and 200 single poke circuit breakers at a time to get great price. Had over 10 ladders, scoffling & a Genie lift and lots of toys mean tools. Was a cheap trade to enter but ambulance chasing POS lawyers has made insurance sky rocket along with PPE . Never had an insurance claim but several times the liability insurance increased 35% in one year.

  • @jeffreydawson4520
    @jeffreydawson4520 Місяць тому +2

    I’ve encouraged my nephews to at least look into a trade, they seem a little rudderless right now. I was about the same age as them but went into the military but none have shown any interest there. I’m gonna get my sister to show them this video. Oh, and by the way, I’m having an issue putting in a new outlet in my pantry, if you’ve got some free time…

    • @PrecursorYang
      @PrecursorYang Місяць тому +1

      They have a program for former military called helmets to hardhats. They can place you into a trade of your choosing. Also tell your nephew to join a union. They pay more than nonunion.

  • @Peaceful978
    @Peaceful978 Місяць тому

    I switched to being a helper after 5 years of being a glorified maintenance electrician for the service. I learned alot in the service but man I learn everyday and I love learning 💯

  • @tylerholton6262
    @tylerholton6262 Місяць тому +2

    15 years in the electrical trade, has had its ups and downs. I either go take my masters, or stay a journeyman, or find different work. Honestly im burned out, no pun intended.

  • @robertbrouillette6767
    @robertbrouillette6767 Місяць тому

    I was a marine electrician working in shipyards and on ships. Another aspect is refrigerated containers that is a combination of refrigeration and electricity.

  • @JIMIIXTLAN
    @JIMIIXTLAN Місяць тому

    25 year electrician here, I have to agree with everything you said everything is bang on, what you didn't expand on enough is that in general it is a young persons game although I have worked with farmer strong old men trades people in their 70s I am not one of them. Being in my late 50s and mostly new construction I cannot handle the work load anymore, the last job I did I would come home exhausted and fall asleep, and feel like I was just in a car accident. Im not even going to get into all the physical ailments from a career of abuse. Now what, I was never into unions(mistake) and now I have nothing, physical labor is no longer an option and I'm to young to retire, I guess I can become a door greeter at Wal-Mart for minimum wage sounds fun.

  • @Panda_J1
    @Panda_J1 Місяць тому +1

    The health part doesn’t count as even office jobs where you sitting all day can take a toll on your body. Maintaining your health by exercising and stretching is key to live a long life with few issues.

  • @Craig-fl8jj
    @Craig-fl8jj 26 днів тому +1

    I've been seeing jobs ads for industrial maintenance electricians that want you to troubleshoot electrical equipment of literally all types, plc programming, vfd drives, welding, carpentry skills, HMI programming, mechanical troubleshooting and repair of gear boxes,conveyor systems, high voltage work, be your own safety man, blue print reading, mechanical blueprint reading, lighting experience, pneumatic experience, hydraulic experience and the list goes on and on. I emailed one back and said just include management experience and operator experience and you can run your entire plant with just 3 or 4 men. I love electrical work but employers today are ridiculous. The pay should be 500 an hour with all the different trades in one. After 32 years I'm done with them.

  • @brianlittle717
    @brianlittle717 23 дні тому

    I’m an hvac contractor in west Tn. Sometimes I wish I had joined the electrical trade instead because our work is so seasonal and weather driven. whereas electrical work seems more consistent year round. Our work also seems more emergency. Electricians deal with emergencies and fires and that stuff but a circuit not working doesn’t have to be fixed today like an air conditioner does.

  • @Berta_5.sl0w
    @Berta_5.sl0w 21 годину тому +1

    7:44 finally someone who actually gets it and says it how it is. Prison has the same rules it doesn’t mean people are going to follow them! Praise it brotha

  • @xMRxCHILL
    @xMRxCHILL День тому +1

    Solar is also a really good place for easy work and great pay for an electricrician.

  • @stevendevilliers471
    @stevendevilliers471 Місяць тому

    36 years in and still enjoying the rewards of a job well executed

  • @lacuzon39000
    @lacuzon39000 Місяць тому +2

    Never charge family for labor , but keep track of your hours when it’s your turn to ask for a favor .

  • @smittyboy
    @smittyboy Місяць тому

    Double tradesmen, both electrician and stationary engineer. I'll retire as a stationary engineer, but electricial is where the money is at.

  • @ab_normal_2211
    @ab_normal_2211 29 днів тому

    A good video to watch would be Electricians vs Millwrights. Cracked me up.😆
    Retired from the trade in 2021. My last year salary was 120K CDN in a manufactruring
    facility.

  • @tonylam9548
    @tonylam9548 Місяць тому +1

    In Canada , Ontario, linesmen are not considered electricians, they are a separate license and is in a far more of a shortage than electrician.

  • @Tsnow206
    @Tsnow206 10 днів тому

    I’m 24, and I’m just coming up to one year as a union journeyman, I couldn’t be happier with my choice of career. Got in straight out of highschool, fast tracked my last two years of my apprenticeship and now I’m aimed to make just over $140,000 this year and have been offered a foreman’s position, hard work pays off 🙌🏻

  • @j887276
    @j887276 3 дні тому

    Union journeyman locomotive electrician here at class 1 railroad. Steady work, minimum of 40 hours/week current pay about $42/hr, 4 weeks PTO. Made 102k-110k past 5 years with some OT.

  • @Old_Sailor85
    @Old_Sailor85 Місяць тому +8

    An electrician, an electrician, and an electrician are not the same thing.
    From residential work to power plant control rooms. Indoor maintenance to outdoor construction in ALL weather. 40-hour week or work until you can't, get six hours off and get back at it (for 8 months, a year).
    Can you go six or eight months without a day off?
    All of our top techs make $90k with no OT, but OT is required. They all break $100k
    There are even companies that pay "over scale".

  • @ElectroAtletico
    @ElectroAtletico Місяць тому +11

    I always worry about the guys who say that they want to change careers and go into the Electrical Trade with their primary goal as "....it pays well, it has good benefits." If that's what's driving the decision, I guarantee you that you will be miserable in the long run. Don't get me wrong, I fully understand the reasoning, but if one does not have a "passion" for the job, work life is going to be miserable.

    • @francismarion6400
      @francismarion6400 Місяць тому +2

      So then save your money as you are working so one day you can switch and do what you want to do.

  • @chrismachabee3128
    @chrismachabee3128 29 днів тому

    Thanks Carl, that is music to my ears.11 years as a electrical mechanic- unlicensed. I have strength but several area od pain. haviing choices I hope can help me. You did not discuss how one would go about gaining an opportunity.

  • @mscar8024
    @mscar8024 Місяць тому +1

    I started my apprenticeship after 20yrs in the military. Many opportunities passed just being a JM if you work towards it.

    • @BOoMbap3
      @BOoMbap3 Місяць тому

      @mscar8024 what's a JM?

  • @MattAK
    @MattAK Місяць тому +3

    I think in another life I would have been an electrician, but I'll stick to I.T. with a CDL fallback. Electrical work is fun though, the DIY bit that I've done over the years.

    • @billystpaul8907
      @billystpaul8907 Місяць тому +2

      I wish I would of learned a trade. Have been driving 45 years. Both good and bad. Can't wait till next year and retirement. Way too many miles.

    • @MattAK
      @MattAK Місяць тому +1

      @@billystpaul8907 I only drove for 5 years or so during college, tour buses in Alaska and school buses in Utah. It was a lot of fun but I got out before I started hating it lol. I still keep the CDL though just in case.

  • @robertkincaid9122
    @robertkincaid9122 День тому

    Master election. Had my own business .retired in good health. Very proud of what I accomplished. Never advertised Never even had a business card or name on trucks. Had to much work. Why advertise when I had to much already. Was very blessed by God

  • @mike7gerald
    @mike7gerald Місяць тому +4

    Learning a trade gives you skills to earn a living, fix things at home or for friends, and keep you out of jail.

  • @herrprepper2070
    @herrprepper2070 14 днів тому

    Our place is about 30 miles out of Cody. It takes 2 or 3 months to get an electrician, plumber, carpenter or any other tradesman out here. Last week, we paid $544.65 for an electrician to drive out here and wire up one simple circuit in an outbuilding. We paid $120 an hour from the minute he climbed in his truck in Cody until the time he was back in Cody. $480 labor, $64.65 parts and supplies. I don’t begrudge a working stiff making a decent living… our local school district has a total of 103 students… from 1st grade through 12. They pay the Superintendent $125,000… the Principal $95,000, the Business Manager $80,000 and the herd of teachers from $50,000 to $75,000. Government thievery.

    • @willbass2869
      @willbass2869 8 днів тому

      @@herrprepper2070 yeah, the local school scam burns my butt.
      Just to piggy back off your mini rant, here in Texas, the rural, mostly low enrollment districts fought tooth - nail AGAINST school choice (vouchers) in the state legislature last year. You would think rural Texas would be for smaller govt & accountability....Oh, hell no!
      Even though they do a good job generally they were scared to death that their "jobs factory" would lose out if parents had a choice between public schools versus private/charter.
      Those rural districts banded together because, just like your example, some 600 total student body from K to 12 were paying $200K to superintendents and $120K to principals. They were afraid of vouchers.....but in reality the voucher system is really geared toward huge, urban districts that are DYSFUNCTIONAL.
      Those country schools weren't going to face vouchers for new competing private/charter schools....not enough population.
      Anyway, enough of my rant. Didn't mean to sidetrack your comment.