So interesting, as usual, so much to learn! And sounds of plenty beauty ! ... Your vids will be the VCV Bible and you'll be considered as a Patriarch ;) Greetings from Bretagne
@@OmriCohen-Music You may see yourself as an explorer, but you are the Guide to me. And by looking at other comments I know that I'm not the only person you're guiding!
Such a beautiful, Generative patch. One thing I adore about Cohen's tutorials is that he repeats functions/modules enough to force me to come to terms with so many key concepts. In this repetition is where the deep learning occurs. Without him my entry into Modular synthesis would have been much more laborious and not nearly as fun. On this patch I turned up the Attack and Decay on the AD (being fed by the white noise) to create a wonderful synthetic beach...I know, it's the oldest trick in the synth book, but it's so damn pleasing.
NB the VCV sequential switch works very well for audio and v/oct, but don't use it for triggers. These switches have a tiny crossfade on switch, which can cause unexpected behavior when triggers come in at the signal inputs and the trigger input simultaneously. Most other switches in other collections don't have the crossfade, so use those for triggers.
Omri I did my homework. I took your initial idea here. And expanded it. I recorded two takes to run as samples. Swapped in the Black Wavetable VCO, added extra attenuverters and level shifters. To get better control on the modulation. Then played over the top of a recorded session of the vcv rack. The track is on Bandcamp americanastromonkeyproject.bandcamp.com/releases You have always inspired me to do more. You and my old college buddy The Soviet Space Dog Project. 🙏
@@OmriCohen-Music check out The Soviet Space Dog Project. Andy is a member of the band Kubussschnitt. He absolutely loves Klaus Schulze. And is inspired to make new soundscapes with the latest tech in the style of the 70s pioneers. I am too.
Hi Omri, your first step of generating a trigger could be effectively replace by marbles, using the green mode, with a longer gate length ? This would be one module instead of 3. And you still have your flip coin probability (T1) and normal gate (T2). What do you think ?
Hi! Well, yes, there are many ways you can generate random gates and triggers. You can also just use S&H and let it gate the envelope. But yeah, Marbles is great!
Very nice! And I had to laugh at the silent part, because in my experience every time I use chances and patched it up and am finally ready to listen to it, it won't trigger... :P
Are the random devices deterministic? I guess my question implies that I am assuming there is a “start” time or a timeline in VCV. So to paraphrase. I am wondering if my results in VCV when I have a random change device in play are repeatable?
Weirdly enough you're the second person I see today to use the Mixmaster, Chronoblob, the Plateau AND Vult modules for a generative patch. Given how many modules there are out there I kinda wouldve expected a little more variation lol (although to be fair, those are some very good modules)
Thank you for this inspiring video. Do you have any suggestions for real hardware for these modules? Instruo, etc. are clear! But especially for: looping AD, S&H, S&H Eight and the chances Modul ! Already tried it on modular grid ;) thx
Hey, thanks! About Chances, there's Brances from MI that is basically the same but has 2 channels. For a looping envelope you can use Maths or Rampage. For a S&H you might want to look at Divkid's RND Step or the Octasource from Erica Synths.
Followed and watched for so long. I had often wondered when it would happen . Between the calmness of your voice and the peacefulness of the patch when it went silent I almost dozed off lol.
Yes, totally, using a looping function as the main trigger and modulating its attack and decay. That's basically the essence of the Krell. I love it :)
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the feedback loop between the EOC on the envelope generator and the sample and hold at the beginning. What is making the envelopes random? Is it better to think of the EOC output as a gate or a trig? I know it connects to the gate input on Sample and Hold but I thought EOC was really more of a trig. When I try to follow the signal path and logic in my head I can't understand where the Sample and Hold gets random values. Is that just built into it? At first, I thought, well it's sampling the envelope at different values, but I can't see how it's doing that. The EOC happens at the end when the envelope is closed so I'd imagine it would either repeat the same envelope or sample a zero value? I feel like I am missing something really simple, hoping to gain some clarity.
Hi! Well, there are often modules that have a Gate input but actually also triggers would be enough. This S&H I'm using is one of them so it only needs a trigger basically. And in many cases, S&H modules will have built-in noise (white noise is often used) that they will sample if there's nothing connected to the signal input. So, in this case, with every trigger from the EOC of the envelope, the S&H will sample white noise (which is a random signal) and therefor will generate a random value with each EOC trigger. This random value will change the length of the envelope, which means that with each cycle, the envelope will have a different length so the time between each EOC trigger will be different. Since the S&H is outputting random signals, this will happen randomly. If, instead of S&H, you will use an 8 step sequence, for example, you will get a repetitive pattern. Does this make sense?
@@OmriCohen-Music Yes, thanks for the explanation! The piece I was getting stuck on was where the randomness was coming from. Sampling white noise totally makes sense, I think I've seen you or someone else do this as a source of randomness in other videos.
that gives me a great idea for a VCV utility... a device that auto-assign cable color to the type of signal being patched. So basically, take the color blocks at the start of this video and instead of just being reference, have those color actually apply to the cables. Could be useful! If i knew anything about coding, i'd definitely give it a try, but i haven't a clue about that sort of thing.
That's a good idea but there's a problem with it... The type of signal is not dependent on where it's coming from, but rather where it's going into and it's purpose. For example, if I use a clock to run a sequencer, the cable will be blue, but if I use the same clock as a modulation source for modulating a filter, for example, it would be green. The same with pitch information, if I use a sequencer to generate pitch, the color will be yellow, but if the same sequence is also modulating the timbre of the sound, it will be green.
@@OmriCohen-Music yes, tricky for sure. I just wish there was a better workflow for picking cable color. I was thinking maybe something like holding the number 1-4 while pulling a cable?
@@OmriCohen-Music are you working with anyone to develop modules? Seems like you would be a fantastic resource for new ideas/tools and with the right team...
Do you know of any module that will output 3 states? I need -5, 0, and +5 that I can control but the best I can find is a bipolar square wave but that never really outputs zero.
Well, you can use a sequential switch and offset. Use 2 offset modules from BogAudio, send them to the switch from VCV (4-1), and use only 3 steps. 1 for +5, 1 for-5, and one for 0. That way you have control over everything. Let me know if that's what you mean.
@@OmriCohen-Music btw, I can't get any real info on Crazymult so I tried what I thought would work and no go. It has A, off, B but I can't seem to get all three states out of it via the CV.
So interesting, as usual, so much to learn! And sounds of plenty beauty ! ... Your vids will be the VCV Bible and you'll be considered as a Patriarch ;) Greetings from Bretagne
Yeah, the world of sound is endless... I'm just another explorer :)
@@OmriCohen-Music You may see yourself as an explorer, but you are the Guide to me. And by looking at other comments I know that I'm not the only person you're guiding!
Such a beautiful, Generative patch. One thing I adore about Cohen's tutorials is that he repeats functions/modules enough to force me to come to terms with so many key concepts. In this repetition is where the deep learning occurs. Without him my entry into Modular synthesis would have been much more laborious and not nearly as fun.
On this patch I turned up the Attack and Decay on the AD (being fed by the white noise) to create a wonderful synthetic beach...I know, it's the oldest trick in the synth book, but it's so damn pleasing.
Hey, thank you so much, i really appreciate it and I'm happy you enjoy my work :) Cheers!
Please could you put "No patch is complete without Karplus-Strong frogs" on a tee shirt? :D
Adopt me! Can I call you dad? (Even if I could probably be yours...)
Because of you, I'm giving myself courage to dive into the wide ocean of VCV. God help the 'me' :)
I wish you many hours of fun patching!
NB the VCV sequential switch works very well for audio and v/oct, but don't use it for triggers. These switches have a tiny crossfade on switch, which can cause unexpected behavior when triggers come in at the signal inputs and the trigger input simultaneously. Most other switches in other collections don't have the crossfade, so use those for triggers.
You're opening up the doors of modular (perception) for us. Thanks a lot.
Thanks :)
This is an infinite universe, neverending learning... a MUST to enjoy the journey with these possibilities.
this is asmr
Omri I did my homework. I took your initial idea here. And expanded it. I recorded two takes to run as samples. Swapped in the Black Wavetable VCO, added extra attenuverters and level shifters. To get better control on the modulation. Then played over the top of a recorded session of the vcv rack. The track is on Bandcamp americanastromonkeyproject.bandcamp.com/releases
You have always inspired me to do more. You and my old college buddy The Soviet Space Dog Project.
🙏
Oh nice! Going to listen to it right now :)
@@OmriCohen-Music check out The Soviet Space Dog Project. Andy is a member of the band Kubussschnitt. He absolutely loves Klaus Schulze. And is inspired to make new soundscapes with the latest tech in the style of the 70s pioneers. I am too.
This is really fantastic: Educational and inspiring!! Thank you so much.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!
Very nice patch Omri! The Ceis is a really nice module, I'm quite happy I bought it for my first system, lots of possibilities with that one.
Hi Omri, your first step of generating a trigger could be effectively replace by marbles, using the green mode, with a longer gate length ? This would be one module instead of 3. And you still have your flip coin probability (T1) and normal gate (T2). What do you think ?
Hi! Well, yes, there are many ways you can generate random gates and triggers. You can also just use S&H and let it gate the envelope. But yeah, Marbles is great!
I'm finding your videos very helpful and interesting. Thank you
I appreciate it!
Very nice! And I had to laugh at the silent part, because in my experience every time I use chances and patched it up and am finally ready to listen to it, it won't trigger... :P
That's a big part of generative :)
Beautiful, I can't wait for more videos about all the instruo modules
Me too :)
Are the random devices deterministic? I guess my question implies that I am assuming there is a “start” time or a timeline in VCV.
So to paraphrase. I am wondering if my results in VCV when I have a random change device in play are repeatable?
There are some sequencers that work like this like Dejavu from Orange Line
@@OmriCohen-Music thanks
Weirdly enough you're the second person I see today to use the Mixmaster, Chronoblob, the Plateau AND Vult modules for a generative patch. Given how many modules there are out there I kinda wouldve expected a little more variation lol (although to be fair, those are some very good modules)
That looooong silence was awfully unnerving. I love it 😁
Silence is golden :)
how did you make the vcv goes to "night mode" at 31:26
There's a module by Modular Fungi that's called Lights Off and it can 'turn off' the lights :) library.vcvrack.com/ModularFungi
state of the art ambient! bright side of the krell!
Oh nice, the bright side of the Krell!
Love it thank you so much
Cheers!
Oh yes!!! Thank you :) 101% hit!
Cheers!
Thank you for this inspiring video. Do you have any suggestions for real hardware for these modules? Instruo, etc. are clear! But especially for: looping AD, S&H, S&H Eight and the chances Modul ! Already tried it on modular grid ;) thx
Hey, thanks! About Chances, there's Brances from MI that is basically the same but has 2 channels. For a looping envelope you can use Maths or Rampage. For a S&H you might want to look at Divkid's RND Step or the Octasource from Erica Synths.
What a beautiful piece of music !
Thanks so much!
Thanks Omri! This video inspired me to try some new techniques of generative patching. Nice Patch!
Cheers, man!
Followed and watched for so long. I had often wondered when it would happen . Between the calmness of your voice and the peacefulness of the patch when it went silent I almost dozed off lol.
I hope you dreamt of modules:)
50% probability is a coin flip right? :) Thanks again Omri, some interesting ideas once again
Yeah, I guess you can look at it that way unless there's a gum stuck to one side and than the probability changes :)
Fantastic demo!
Wizard & gentleman.
(good sense of humor too :)
Glad you enjoyed it :) Thanks!
Sir, you are the "Master of Movement" and I wanna hug you ;-) I guess I have to settle for a virtual Patreon hug :-)
I really appreciate it, thank you!
Finally, it's a kind of Krell Patch. Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
Yes, totally, using a looping function as the main trigger and modulating its attack and decay. That's basically the essence of the Krell. I love it :)
Beautiful. I need to build this and let it run all night long while I sleep. 8-)
Sounds like a great plan! Thanks :)
This video is so instructive and engaging! I am in awe of what this software can do!
Glad you enjoyed it :)
Cheers Omri! Have a wonderful 2021!
You too man, cheers!
What an amazing way to take all the rust off from the holidays. Great stuff!
Thanks!
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the feedback loop between the EOC on the envelope generator and the sample and hold at the beginning. What is making the envelopes random? Is it better to think of the EOC output as a gate or a trig? I know it connects to the gate input on Sample and Hold but I thought EOC was really more of a trig. When I try to follow the signal path and logic in my head I can't understand where the Sample and Hold gets random values. Is that just built into it? At first, I thought, well it's sampling the envelope at different values, but I can't see how it's doing that. The EOC happens at the end when the envelope is closed so I'd imagine it would either repeat the same envelope or sample a zero value?
I feel like I am missing something really simple, hoping to gain some clarity.
Hi! Well, there are often modules that have a Gate input but actually also triggers would be enough. This S&H I'm using is one of them so it only needs a trigger basically. And in many cases, S&H modules will have built-in noise (white noise is often used) that they will sample if there's nothing connected to the signal input. So, in this case, with every trigger from the EOC of the envelope, the S&H will sample white noise (which is a random signal) and therefor will generate a random value with each EOC trigger. This random value will change the length of the envelope, which means that with each cycle, the envelope will have a different length so the time between each EOC trigger will be different. Since the S&H is outputting random signals, this will happen randomly. If, instead of S&H, you will use an 8 step sequence, for example, you will get a repetitive pattern. Does this make sense?
@@OmriCohen-Music Yes, thanks for the explanation! The piece I was getting stuck on was where the randomness was coming from. Sampling white noise totally makes sense, I think I've seen you or someone else do this as a source of randomness in other videos.
@@Charlemagne139 Yeah, it's commonly used with S&H modules. Cheers!
how are you making the screen darker at the end of the video? loved it as usual!
It's a module he designed, look for "fungi" in the library...
Yeah, it's a module called Lights Off from the Modular Fungi collection.
that gives me a great idea for a VCV utility... a device that auto-assign cable color to the type of signal being patched. So basically, take the color blocks at the start of this video and instead of just being reference, have those color actually apply to the cables. Could be useful! If i knew anything about coding, i'd definitely give it a try, but i haven't a clue about that sort of thing.
That's a good idea but there's a problem with it... The type of signal is not dependent on where it's coming from, but rather where it's going into and it's purpose. For example, if I use a clock to run a sequencer, the cable will be blue, but if I use the same clock as a modulation source for modulating a filter, for example, it would be green. The same with pitch information, if I use a sequencer to generate pitch, the color will be yellow, but if the same sequence is also modulating the timbre of the sound, it will be green.
@@OmriCohen-Music yes, tricky for sure. I just wish there was a better workflow for picking cable color. I was thinking maybe something like holding the number 1-4 while pulling a cable?
@@eartho Yes, this sounds like a good idea indeed. Maybe something like this will be available in the future, it will improve the workflow for sure.
@@OmriCohen-Music are you working with anyone to develop modules? Seems like you would be a fantastic resource for new ideas/tools and with the right team...
Grazie
Cheers!
Bravo.
Thanks!
Do you know of any module that will output 3 states? I need -5, 0, and +5 that I can control but the best I can find is a bipolar square wave but that never really outputs zero.
Well, you can use a sequential switch and offset. Use 2 offset modules from BogAudio, send them to the switch from VCV (4-1), and use only 3 steps. 1 for +5, 1 for-5, and one for 0. That way you have control over everything. Let me know if that's what you mean.
@@OmriCohen-Music The offsets work but the ss-1 is not relevant, and I could not find that 4-1 module (must be paid).
@@generalawareness101 You need the ss-2, it has 4 inputs and 1 output. That's what I meant by 4-1.
@@OmriCohen-Music Perfect and exactly what I needed. Thank you.
@@OmriCohen-Music btw, I can't get any real info on Crazymult so I tried what I thought would work and no go. It has A, off, B but I can't seem to get all three states out of it via the CV.
Quite stunning, reminds me of art installation soundscapes :)
Thanks!