This is a silly request, but can you review the 2000 "Nuremberg" miniseries? (or some other adaptation of those events). Took some artistic liberties but I like how that version included the real life psychologist who profiled the Nazi defendants, and it the central theme it dealt with was picking apart the defense of "we were just following orders" ("you enabled this, every time Hitler did something you clapped, and you always had the option to resign") and also "they really don't think they did anything wrong" ("they knew what they were doing was wrong but thought they could get away with it, and in the cases where they were so delusional they didn't that doesn't remove society's right to judge them"). Seems more relevant these days with all the trials for the Trump cronies after January 6th etc., who are trying to shift blame off of themselves.
Supergirl season 5 epi 13. A section of the fans would have liked to see a romantic relationship between Kara Danvers and Lena Luthor. This episode is in the spirit of It's a Wonderful Life and explores their friendship and whether or not their friendship could have been saved if Kara told Lena sooner about being Supergirl. In one version Lena has to testify and is asked if she knows the identity of Supergirl. She pleads the 5th. Starting a whole discussion among fans in which circumstances you can plead the 5th and whether or not this implies Lena and Kara were married in this version. Thanks!
Please do NCIS. Because I am certain there are NCIS agents who took that career path who are genuinely surprised how much time they spend on investigating routine security clearances.
In defense of NCIS. they did make it clear that Gibbs was a special case. As one Director said to his predecessor, "Gibbs, given leeway, gets results." So the premise was that Gibbs and his team were sort of Special Operations cops, used only on special cases. A justification that the spin-offs lack. Similarly the original CSI had the premise of a forensics tech who was a former detective, medically unfit for duty as a cop but still good at things like interrogation. It was a special circumstance where the detectives let him get more involved with the investigations that is normal. And again, a justification that the spin-offs lacked.
@@spyone4828if I remember correctly, Gibbs is part of the Major Case team (hence MTAC and the MCRT van), and LA is the Office of Special Projects. They have an excuse, the others, especially New Orleans don’t.
Okay, so here's the thing. I was raised on JAG. I was born a year before it premiered and it is very dear me. So please keep that context in mind when I say that I would very happily watch a whole series of Spencer reacting to JAG episodes. Hell, I'd watch him watch the whole show 😂 PLEASE do more JAG episodes!
Ok, slow it down there Mr. Paper Skies. Most people can't tell the difference between an F-4 and a TU-95, so the fact that LegalChad even tried gets points from me.
@@ChiefOfAssthe TU-95 BEARs a striking resemblance to the F-4. One small detail that that gives away the difference are the 4 Kuznetsov NK-12 engines with contra-rotating propellers. Easily missed by the uninitiated.
My father, career navy and jag officer, watched the show. He found it vastly entertaining. Whenever he was asked if it was realistic he would chuckle and say, “yeah,sure”. We understood
@@klaudiagrobActually, I did watch a tv show about my job at the time, and it was pretty entertaining 😂 It was a lottle exaggerated but more so in the characters than the job itself 😂
Counter-correction: As a native northern British person, that character at 3:42 is in fact saying "No 'anky panky". He just has a Geordie accent. Truly, the best British accent.
It also takes the first season to find its footing. Mac is so much better and Harm gets a real character that's not just the top gun guy on tv. I hope they do a follow-up episode
This is basically covering the pilot. Yes, Im old enough to have grown up with this show, loved it, even tho I knew, there was lots and lots of nonsense in it. But.... 227 episodes, get cracking, Spencer! 226 to go 😁😁
Yeah, this honestly felt more like an episode of NCIS. I guess after JAG focused more on the lawyering, the creators still wanted to do some murder investigating on the side. And now NCIS is getting its... 21st season. Holy crap.
Yeah, the ordering being weird definitely smells of changes made in post and they just hoped no one would notice because we wouldn't know what a Board of Inquiry is anyway. Jokes on them, we have the Scowl Owl!
Thank you, sir, for all your awesome content! I served in the Marines in the 2000's and after my injury I was assigned to base legal at MCBH. I had the honor to work alongside some Marine lawyers. You guys where top notch and really cared about your Marines and sailors. Semper Fi!
When my dad was in the Fleet Air Arm, he said that if you were brought up on a charge, you were told something along the lines of , your sentence could be, "death, or any other punishment deemed appropriate by the court." 😲😄
As Spencer is obviously a JAG fan I am sure he already knows the answer to the question of should Harm be wearing his wings throughout this episode or not, lol. The answer though is yes, he should. He was an aviator first and was assigned to a squadron. However due to a night blindness condition he crashed a Tomcat and was reassigned (after learning the law) to JAG. In the future its found out that the night blindness was a wrong diagnoses and he just has something wrong with his eyes that gets fixed by laser surgery allowing him to fly again.
He didn't because one, he was ashamed and basically blames himself for what happened to his RIO. And secondly he isn't an aviator again until season 5 when the Amiral Chegwidden and the SECNAV agree to change his designator. He is a lawyer for a good while. He only gets to go back in the cockpit if as he states later in the show "when he finds a C/O who will let him".
I have been hoping you guys would start tackling JAG! It's a show that a lot of veterans over 35 really love. The first season (and this episode in general) are a bit cringy at times, but the series got MUCH better! I hope to see more of this. A REALLY interesting legal analysis would be the episodes known as "Tribunal" in Season 7. Here, they handle the shipboard trial of Al Qaeda operatives. There is A LOT of courtroom procedure, international law, and really interesting legal arguments over what is a "military" target. Thanks as always for the great content!
The show got better because NBC and Bellisario weren't on good terms and the network undermined the show. NBC forced him to replace LT Pike with a blond co-star, be more action and less legal, etc. They then CANCELLED the series without airing the last episode because their meddling made ratings ho-hum. CBS grabbed it from the cancel pile and let Bellisario do what he wanted. They replaced Navy LT JG Austin with Marine Major Mackenzie and the rest is history. That save from cancellation made CBS some BIG bucks; not only from 9 years of JAG but the ENTIRE NCIS franchise All from saving a cancelled show from oblivion The epitome of a show saved from cancellation and making it big is JAG
Most people forget that not even a year later (or maybe less then) another scandel called Sex for Orders, which I would love to see a Legal Eagel episode on.
Great episode. I really enjoy when experts break down fictional processes in their fields, but also understand the compromises that go into making fiction for TV (or movies) and still note it can be fun to watch, if not quite acccurate.
So fun fact: my mom was a USAF tanker pilot in the early 90s, and she likes to joke that I have “half a combat medal” because she flew missions during Operation Provide Comfort while she was pregnant with me lol. Dad was a fighter pilot, and my parents have a really fun story about the time my mom was flying the plane that refueled my dad’s plane 😂 (Edit: to clarify, they were stationed at different bases at the time, and the Air Force was well aware that they were married lol!!)
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The whole business about the female pilot not listening to the LSO is probably a reference to the 1994 Kara Hultgreen crash. She made a mistake while attempting to land and her overcorrection caused a known flaw in the F14 to occur. She was waved off by the LSO right before the crash.
Two weeks late but SUPER happy you did JAG. We had a few episodes on VHS tapes before the DVD sets came out and I grew up on it thanks to my mom. I cannot tell you how many times I have watched the pilot since the age of 5 and I've rewatched the first season recently and was curious if you would cover this since the Top Gun reaction and overview of the laws. Such a good video, I look forward to more of these!
I loved this show as a kid for some reason. I’d love to see you review an episode where you like the way the legalese is written or just your favorite episode. Major MacKenzie almost got me to join the Marines at 15 🤣
Just here to say that I 100% want more videos from our Scowl Owl that go into more details about investigations and such. I love learning about this kind of thing
That scene with the F14's engines made me ask, "Why are they on fire? Engines don't do that." And I asked that as a former jet engine mechanic on F4s. Annnnd rolled my eyes hard at the wings presentation thing.
I never watched JAG and barely any NCIS, but this reaction video was great and I hope we get many more such videos. There's certainly no shortage of material!
I think it helped with military accuracy that the show creator and producer of JAG, Donald Bellisario was a U.S. Marine himself. And he had a hand in creating some of the most iconic TV shows in history: Magnum P.I., Airwolf, Quantum Leap, and of course NCIS.
Rabb was a Naval Aviator. He crashed a Tomcat and his RIO died. He was cleared but diagnosed with night blindness so he lost flight status. That's why he went to law school and became a JAG. Later in the series, he finds out that the diagnosis was wrong, gets his vision fixed, and goes back to aviation. His CO on the ship he goes on tells him that the years he spent as a JAG put him too far behind the career curve to stay in aviation and tells him to go back to JAG.
That sadly is way too common in incidents like that and worse. And no diss aimed at Spencer or others involved in the service there, charges even in a CM can become political.
@@cericatusually only when it involves officers and senior enlisted,. Had those been a few ncos and junior enlisted there would have been courts martial all aeound
I'm currently in the Navy Reserves and several old MAs and my retired master chief, all stated that improper command influence was one of many main reasons punishments weren't dished out and a lot of evidence was "Ordered" swept under the rug. That's why when the Navy reorganized the NIS to NCIS it became 90 percent civilian.
The NCIS franchise was BORN from a 2 episode backdoor pilot on JAG Harm was accused of murder and Gibbs and Ducky were investing him. The Franchise OWES its existence to JAG It would have been sacrilege to not mention it and the fine line they stomped on of which investigates what. An even better fact: JAG was CANCELLED after it's first season We wouldn't have NCIS if the show hadn't been rescued by CBS You see: NBC and Bellisario weren't on good terms and the network undermined the show. NBC forced him to replace LT Pike with a blond co-star, be more action and less legal, etc. They then CANCELLED the series without airing the last episode because their meddling made ratings ho-hum. CBS grabbed it from the cancel pile and let Bellisario do what he wanted. They replaced Navy LT JG Austin with Marine Major Mackenzie and the rest is history. That save from cancellation made CBS some BIG bucks; not only from 9 years of JAG but the ENTIRE NCIS franchise All from saving a cancelled show from oblivion The epitome of a show saved from cancellation and making it big is JAG
Surprised at how high your final ruling was. I loved this show. I remember when it first came out the producers made a point of they were borrowing from the Tom Cruise movies. They made no secret of reusing Top Gun footage. IIRC Lt. Harmon "Harm" Rabb gave up his wings when he had to leave flight status because of night blindness.
Often they'd take the Top Gun footage and flop it; the lettering on the sides of the planes was mirrored. And also often several different planes will be used for supposedly one plane.
I think Spencer graded on a curve. He only had an issue with how often the Board of Inquiry was raised given the case probably would have gone straight to NCIS and likely chalked it up to writers building drama.
I loved the softness of the lighting in this series. It had a Hallmark-like quality about it all the while still confronting many a controversial topic of its day. I watched this every day while I was still serving until it signed off in 2005, a big hole was left inside but at least they kind of closed the romance loop on Harm and Sarah.
IF I'm remembering correctly, from a show I haven't watched in 20 years or so, they do eventually explain why Lt. Rabb stoppd wearing his wings. He did complete flight school and was an active aviator for a while. Unfortunately, he suffered an injury that caused him to develop night blidness, which permanently disqualified him from active flight duty. He transferred into the JAG Corps after that. It is because he essentially couldn't fly any more that he stopped wearing his wings, but he had legitimately earned them, along with his callsign.
He suffered an injury and it was MISDIAGNOSED as night blindness AFTER his RIO DIED in an accident. He stopped wearing his wings because he felt GUILTY over the death.
@@ChibiHoshiDragon I did say IF I was remembering correctly from a show I haven't watched in 20 years or so. That capitalized 'IF' was there for a reason.
Now, I'm just a random Army dude who happened to read the MCM a couple of times but if the Admiral pushes for a certain finding in an investigation, does that not constitute unlawful command influence? If so, what penalties would he be subject to? On paper, I mean; I think we know the reality of what consequences a general officer would suffer.
I’m a random USN E5, but if memory serves, depending on the ADM’s position within the CoC, would then determine which legal path it could take. Let’s say if he’s the 5th Fleet Admiral, it would take the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO and the top of the Navy Officer food chain of command) or SECNAV to escalate the matter. But, we both know, if it’s a JO or lower Enlisted, they’re pretty boned. Unless, of course, the Sailor & Skipper determine a Captain’s Mast is preferable. In which case, it could be anywhere from the standard 45/45/half-a-month’s x2, all the way up to a bread & water rationing (which is still used in the Navy, but for no more than 3 days). However, I am but an IT2, and can only spout off what I’ve learned in the last 7-8 years 😂
Given my deeply military family (the genealogist in the family has a whole list of who served/fought in what war, on both sides, all the way back to the Revolutionary War) meant that we watched this show religiously. The hilarity to me now that my dad would come back from the base to turn on a show about people working and living on base.
Did anyone else notice how he acknowledged that the higher ranked officers heavily lean on investigations but didn't go into more detail? I would love a video about just how much this happens in real life.
I always loved the show. There are definitely better episodes with more military legal aspects to see. The pilot was okay, but the show didn't begin to hit its stride until the second season.
Objection: Each spinoff of NCIS was a separate production with only the executives being shared, and therefore it is not proper to judge them all as if a single show. NCIS and NCIS: LA were especially different with the latter being practically a spy drama.
Sustained. The only link between them was the show creator, maybe some advisors, and the occasional crossover episodes. Goes for NCIS NO and NCIS Hawaii as well with NCIS LA and NCIS of course. I also think he made up NCIS Sydney as well as NCIS Naples (which he stated the one but not the other).
@@Moraenil I thought that about Sydney as well, but then I looked it up. Sydney is real, but it's still in production. It was announced in february of last year and is supposed to start later this year.
The fact that you perfectly described me with the NCIS Naples thing, I immediately thought since when was there something in Naples and why doesn't it show up on Paramount Plus And then you turned around and said the punchline and I felt attacked personally lol
I'll do you one better - I paused the video and Googled it and was slightly confused why I wasn't getting any hits. I know I should be ashamed... but I'm not. Hell yeah NCIS IS that great :D
Hello! I had a suggestion about a show that could be lawyered: Black Mirror. It's insanely popular, so it would probably get a lot of views, but also because each episode is a different storyline, It has the potential to become a series as well. I just think some of the episodes bring up great points about privacy and technology (like the one about the mother watching what her daughter is doing through the implant in her head), which could be explained from a lawyer standpoint, and the issue of which is very prevalent in our society these days.
Ik you covered Star Trek already, and the episode was more of a military tribunal than a full court case so we were left a little bit in the dark on Federation court proceedings and how they work. The newest season of Strange New Worlds’ episode 2 is a full on court martial episode related to cultural discrimination and I would love to see your take on the matter when compared to contemporary American law. Another good law episode for Star Trek is Voyager’s Death Wish: this episode is related to the acceptability of assisted suicide within the law.
Used to absolutely love this show, 20+ years after it ended I'm still upset that it ended the way it did without any sort of "Answers" or closure regarding the Harm/Mac situation..
@@constancep7632 Yes, but they also flipped a coin to decide which of them was going to retire and follow the other to their new post. Which freeze-framed with the coin in the air.
@@constancep7632 They flipped a coin to find out who was going to have to resign so Harm/Mac could be together without running afoul of "fraternization" regs, the very last image of the very last episode is the coin they flip in mid air ... I've watched the NCIS spinoffs for 20 years after that they would drop a hint but alas they never did.
l absolutely LOVE JAG!!! I was glad to see you did the pilot episode. The later seasons have so much courtroom drama. l hope you do analysis on later seasons. Thank you for this video.
Starting with the 2nd episode the opening credits narration makes it clear that he was an active pilot that suffered an injury resulting in “night blindness”
I loved JAG as a teen. I would watch the reruns on TV all the time and the new episodes during the last season. I was an NJROTC cadet for four years and I adored this show. I really hope you guys do later seasons. Great courtroom and legal scenes along with action scenes! Also, season 2-10 had THE best and iconic cast and characters on the show. Especially seasons 4-9.
With much respect to the lawyer, this episode of JAG deserves a D- at best for military accuracy. There is so much that is just pure lunacy. I spent 4 years on an aircraft carrier, and nothing about this episode passes the smell test. We are extremely careful when moving elevators; depending on the ship I don't think one could possibly transit from the catwalk to the elevator. The discussions by the senior officers would NEVER be held where they were. At night, you can't see anything on the other side of the flight deck; certainly not a person's head poking up. No one would even allow someone to set foot on an active flight deck while wearing their cover. And that's just the stuff I can recall from watching this video; I'm sure there was much more in the actual episode. And I'm pretty sure the JAG office would not be summoned to the White House to brief the first lady, even if she is Hillary Clinton. Sorry guys, but this Navy veteran cries foul.
I mean, her husband is their boss (or rather, something like their boss's boss's boss), so I don't think it's impossible that the JAG could be summoned to the White House, it's just not usual.
13:29 - this was hilarious, much like many other parts of this video. I absolutely love Spencer's dry humour and that of whoever oversees the editing. 'The rule is that two officers can be sent if they have good on-screen chemistry.'
I loved this show as a kid and I realized a interesting thing about Harms character when I saw it again in my late teens. They made Harm a truly good guy and then turned that on its heels and made into personal weakness that in many respects prevents him from getting into a relationship with McKenzie sooner than it happens.
Alright....I'll admit it. I WAS wondering when they came out with NCIS Naples, why I hadn't heard of it, and which streaming platform had it. But it's only because I want to learn Italian....yep. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! 😂😅😊
I didn't know that there's an NCIS Sydney... I do remember they tried spinning off NCIS:RED, which was supposed to be a team with a mobile office/lab that could set up anywhere. They appeared in one episode of NCIS:LA and vanished...
Could you guys do a break down on the final act of Oppenheimer?? I know neither “scenes” were actual trials but I would really be interested in how much was accurate irl and yallls take on it. Thank! Love this episode on JAG!!!
Need to see more JAG analyses. I love JAG so much. But really it's the later seasons that feel on point. The first season is....very strange. Please more JAG. But also, really want to see a Battlestar Galactica analyses of the episode where Admiral Cain court martials Adama's men.
There is a REASON the first season feels off NBC and Bellisario weren't on good terms and the network undermined the show. NBC forced him to replace LT Pike with a blond co-star, be more action and less legal, etc. They then CANCELLED the series without airing the last episode because their meddling made ratings ho-hum. CBS grabbed it from the cancel pile and let Bellisario do what he wanted. They replaced Navy LT JG Austin with Marine Major Mackenzie and the rest is history. That save from cancellation made CBS some BIG bucks; not only from 9 years of JAG but the ENTIRE NCIS franchise All from saving a cancelled show from oblivion The epitome of a show saved from cancellation and making it big is JAG People seem to forget that the show had been CANCELLED.
As often is the case in most shows. See an actor who plays a villain or a creep? They did it. See a familiar actor? They likely did it. I used to play a game with myself like that.
Great to see scowl owl back. I love JAG. Made me want to join and be a lawyer. Turned out to join a different branch and career field entirely but that’s beside the point. Side note: can he weigh in on the Bergdahl case. Something happened today regarding his charges and I think the Owl could provide some valuable insight
According to Harmon Rabb Wikipedia page, he's actually finished his flying training and made it to F-14 squadron (shooting down a Libyan MiG-23 at some point), before removed from flying status after he crashed his F-14 during night landing at an aircraft carrier in which the RIO killed, the accident was blamed on Rabb suffering night blindness (in which later turns out to be misdiagnosis and it was retinal scarring)
That's the story! 📂 I thought it had some issue with his father's MIA(POW) status in SE Asia. Rabb had his father's Navy wings but would not display them until his dad's body-remains ⚰️ were recovered.
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1987's From the Hip with Judd Nelson and John Hurt
This is a silly request, but can you review the 2000 "Nuremberg" miniseries? (or some other adaptation of those events). Took some artistic liberties but I like how that version included the real life psychologist who profiled the Nazi defendants, and it the central theme it dealt with was picking apart the defense of "we were just following orders" ("you enabled this, every time Hitler did something you clapped, and you always had the option to resign") and also "they really don't think they did anything wrong" ("they knew what they were doing was wrong but thought they could get away with it, and in the cases where they were so delusional they didn't that doesn't remove society's right to judge them"). Seems more relevant these days with all the trials for the Trump cronies after January 6th etc., who are trying to shift blame off of themselves.
Supergirl season 5 epi 13. A section of the fans would have liked to see a romantic relationship between Kara Danvers and Lena Luthor. This episode is in the spirit of It's a Wonderful Life and explores their friendship and whether or not their friendship could have been saved if Kara told Lena sooner about being Supergirl. In one version Lena has to testify and is asked if she knows the identity of Supergirl. She pleads the 5th. Starting a whole discussion among fans in which circumstances you can plead the 5th and whether or not this implies Lena and Kara were married in this version. Thanks!
The deposition episode of the office
Please do NCIS. Because I am certain there are NCIS agents who took that career path who are genuinely surprised how much time they spend on investigating routine security clearances.
And perhaps a few that were surprised to find out that they couldn't hack a computer faster if a friend helped out with typing at the same keyboard...
Living in Norfolk for 12 years next to the base, NCIS was HILARIOUS.
@@damionlee7658 What?! But that's how we used to play split screen in the 90's, it's totally legit.
In defense of NCIS. they did make it clear that Gibbs was a special case. As one Director said to his predecessor, "Gibbs, given leeway, gets results." So the premise was that Gibbs and his team were sort of Special Operations cops, used only on special cases. A justification that the spin-offs lack.
Similarly the original CSI had the premise of a forensics tech who was a former detective, medically unfit for duty as a cop but still good at things like interrogation. It was a special circumstance where the detectives let him get more involved with the investigations that is normal. And again, a justification that the spin-offs lacked.
@@spyone4828if I remember correctly, Gibbs is part of the Major Case team (hence MTAC and the MCRT van), and LA is the Office of Special Projects. They have an excuse, the others, especially New Orleans don’t.
Okay, so here's the thing. I was raised on JAG. I was born a year before it premiered and it is very dear me. So please keep that context in mind when I say that I would very happily watch a whole series of Spencer reacting to JAG episodes. Hell, I'd watch him watch the whole show 😂 PLEASE do more JAG episodes!
Yes!!!
Me too!
i would enjoy that too please
I would also watch every episode
Objection: MiG-29s are a real aircraft. I believe the fictional plane they made up for top gun was called the MiG-28.
Sustained.
I was going to make the same comment, but then the video was set to private again and I couldn't comment.
IIRC the "Mig-28" was an F-5 which was very similar to the venerable T-38. And yeah, I had to rewind when he said the Mig-29 was not real lol WHAT?
Ok, slow it down there Mr. Paper Skies. Most people can't tell the difference between an F-4 and a TU-95, so the fact that LegalChad even tried gets points from me.
@@ChiefOfAssthe TU-95 BEARs a striking resemblance to the F-4. One small detail that that gives away the difference are the 4 Kuznetsov NK-12 engines with contra-rotating propellers. Easily missed by the uninitiated.
I blew up laughing at the "did you order the code red?" bit.
That was ridiculously hilarious.
Of course...because you can't handle vermouth....
YES!! I'm so happy to have this Legal Eagle/Scowl Owl crossover!
Thank you for joining us, Spencer!
Does Scowl Owl have his own UA-cam?
@@CrvrMb I'd like to know this as well. I couldn't find one, but not sure if it has a diff name.
@@CrvrMbno he does not have his own channel.
Scowl Owl does have a channel. It just has no videos as of this moment. I suspect he made the channel just so he can have the name before anyone else.
Bummer. He should, I'd watch it!
My father, career navy and jag officer, watched the show. He found it vastly entertaining. Whenever he was asked if it was realistic he would chuckle and say, “yeah,sure”. We understood
And let's be honest no one likes a movie/tv show about their job. Real life JAG officers will not like JAG tv show.
@@klaudiagrobActually, I did watch a tv show about my job at the time, and it was pretty entertaining 😂 It was a lottle exaggerated but more so in the characters than the job itself 😂
It's a Schrodinger's Board of Inquiry: It does and does not exist at the same time.
😂😂😂
I was beginning to wonder if they were already scheduled for a Board of Inquiry and were diverted for this.
Counter-correction:
As a native northern British person, that character at 3:42 is in fact saying "No 'anky panky". He just has a Geordie accent.
Truly, the best British accent.
Have to disagree, Cockney accents are always a delight to hear.
I wish he covered later episodes, which had more lawyering and courtroom action
It also takes the first season to find its footing. Mac is so much better and Harm gets a real character that's not just the top gun guy on tv.
I hope they do a follow-up episode
This is basically covering the pilot. Yes, Im old enough to have grown up with this show, loved it, even tho I knew, there was lots and lots of nonsense in it. But.... 227 episodes, get cracking, Spencer! 226 to go 😁😁
A lot more, popr preparetion
Like when Rabb does a live firearms demonstration in the court room?
Yeah, this honestly felt more like an episode of NCIS. I guess after JAG focused more on the lawyering, the creators still wanted to do some murder investigating on the side.
And now NCIS is getting its... 21st season. Holy crap.
I love how Spencer basically took over as the main host like Devin only existed in our minds
Let's be honest 90% of the board of inquiry confusion is probably down to how it was edited together and stuff being reordered after it was shot.
Yeah, the ordering being weird definitely smells of changes made in post and they just hoped no one would notice because we wouldn't know what a Board of Inquiry is anyway. Jokes on them, we have the Scowl Owl!
Also, as was established earlier, there is no NCIS: Naples, so who even knows how their boards of inquiry work? ;D
Thank you, sir, for all your awesome content! I served in the Marines in the 2000's and after my injury I was assigned to base legal at MCBH. I had the honor to work alongside some Marine lawyers. You guys where top notch and really cared about your Marines and sailors. Semper Fi!
Your honor, I'm guilty of being early to a LegalEagle video. Lock me up so I can watch all these handsome devils' videos.
@@WindermereWarriordang it “puts alway mountains of files most of which are pornography”
@@WindermereWarrior shucks.
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When my dad was in the Fleet Air Arm, he said that if you were brought up on a charge, you were told something along the lines of , your sentence could be, "death, or any other punishment deemed appropriate by the court." 😲😄
As Spencer is obviously a JAG fan I am sure he already knows the answer to the question of should Harm be wearing his wings throughout this episode or not, lol. The answer though is yes, he should. He was an aviator first and was assigned to a squadron. However due to a night blindness condition he crashed a Tomcat and was reassigned (after learning the law) to JAG. In the future its found out that the night blindness was a wrong diagnoses and he just has something wrong with his eyes that gets fixed by laser surgery allowing him to fly again.
Not sure Spencer has seen ant other episode as the name is "Rab" not "Rob".
@@ruthtepin2130 beat me to it. There needed to be a Robb counter.
@@ruthtepin2130 That's the first thing I noticed as well!!!!
Was looking for this. Loved this show as a kid.
He didn't because one, he was ashamed and basically blames himself for what happened to his RIO. And secondly he isn't an aviator again until season 5 when the Amiral Chegwidden and the SECNAV agree to change his designator. He is a lawyer for a good while. He only gets to go back in the cockpit if as he states later in the show "when he finds a C/O who will let him".
PLEASE review more JAG episodes. I love this show and this channel.
0:55 actually, I balked at "NCIS: Naples" because I was like "wait, but Naples isn't in the United States, how is that even possible?"
What about Sidney? 😉
@@christianwendt7852 Huh?
(If you can't tell, I'm definitely NOT an NCIS Superfan)
@@christianwendt7852 Actually, I've been watching too much diplomacy UA-cam lately, so I recognized Naples and everything else fled from my mind.
@@christianwendt7852 Sydney
@shilohmagic, I'm in Naples, Maine, USA, right now.
I have been hoping you guys would start tackling JAG! It's a show that a lot of veterans over 35 really love. The first season (and this episode in general) are a bit cringy at times, but the series got MUCH better! I hope to see more of this. A REALLY interesting legal analysis would be the episodes known as "Tribunal" in Season 7. Here, they handle the shipboard trial of Al Qaeda operatives. There is A LOT of courtroom procedure, international law, and really interesting legal arguments over what is a "military" target. Thanks as always for the great content!
The show got better because NBC and Bellisario weren't on good terms and the network undermined the show. NBC forced him to replace LT Pike with a blond co-star, be more action and less legal, etc.
They then CANCELLED the series without airing the last episode because their meddling made ratings ho-hum.
CBS grabbed it from the cancel pile and let Bellisario do what he wanted. They replaced Navy LT JG Austin with Marine Major Mackenzie and the rest is history.
That save from cancellation made CBS some BIG bucks; not only from 9 years of JAG but the ENTIRE NCIS franchise
All from saving a cancelled show from oblivion
The epitome of a show saved from cancellation and making it big is JAG
Please, please, please do more episodes of JAG reacts. This was awesome and I love Scowl Owl's insights!
This was a delight to watch. I'd love to see Spencer react to more episode of this show.
Not only did it spawn the NCIS series BUT ALSO, thanks to crossovers, Hawai'i Five-0, MacGyver, and Magnum PI were in the same universe.
Most people forget that not even a year later (or maybe less then) another scandel called Sex for Orders, which I would love to see a Legal Eagel episode on.
Great episode. I really enjoy when experts break down fictional processes in their fields, but also understand the compromises that go into making fiction for TV (or movies) and still note it can be fun to watch, if not quite acccurate.
I just started rewatching this show a few weeks ago and had completely forgot how incredibly good it is. It holds up, even 25 years later!
I pull out my DVDs at least once a year for some positive viewing!
So fun fact: my mom was a USAF tanker pilot in the early 90s, and she likes to joke that I have “half a combat medal” because she flew missions during Operation Provide Comfort while she was pregnant with me lol.
Dad was a fighter pilot, and my parents have a really fun story about the time my mom was flying the plane that refueled my dad’s plane 😂 (Edit: to clarify, they were stationed at different bases at the time, and the Air Force was well aware that they were married lol!!)
Insertion joke in 3…2…1…
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> Insertion joke in 3…2…1…
Ask, and ye shall receive:
"Honey, please don't take this the wrong way - but the insertion of _your_ probe last night into me was _way_ more precise and efficient than the insertion of your fighter jet's probe into the drogue of my KC-130 just now..." 🙂
My dad was a 135 pilot during the same era. Would have been better if she was the boom operator lol
Thank you for your half service.
The whole business about the female pilot not listening to the LSO is probably a reference to the 1994 Kara Hultgreen crash. She made a mistake while attempting to land and her overcorrection caused a known flaw in the F14 to occur. She was waved off by the LSO right before the crash.
Luckily her RIO got out alive.
@@TheModelGuy Literally a half a second made the difference
Wasn't there another JAG episode with this plotline and there was a female senator aboard the carrier as well.
Wow, I really did get excited that there was an NCIS: Naples. Good call!
I'm sure Shane Brennan could do something with the concept
Two weeks late but SUPER happy you did JAG. We had a few episodes on VHS tapes before the DVD sets came out and I grew up on it thanks to my mom. I cannot tell you how many times I have watched the pilot since the age of 5 and I've rewatched the first season recently and was curious if you would cover this since the Top Gun reaction and overview of the laws. Such a good video, I look forward to more of these!
I loved this show as a kid for some reason. I’d love to see you review an episode where you like the way the legalese is written or just your favorite episode. Major MacKenzie almost got me to join the Marines at 15 🤣
Just here to say that I 100% want more videos from our Scowl Owl that go into more details about investigations and such. I love learning about this kind of thing
That scene with the F14's engines made me ask, "Why are they on fire? Engines don't do that." And I asked that as a former jet engine mechanic on F4s.
Annnnd rolled my eyes hard at the wings presentation thing.
I never watched JAG and barely any NCIS, but this reaction video was great and I hope we get many more such videos. There's certainly no shortage of material!
It's weird not being greeted by Devin, but I'm liking the expansion
I've been waiting for this ever since you joined the Legal Eagle team.
The way I SHRIEKED when I saw this video posted - I was OBSESSED with the show JAG in high school, thanks for reviewing it!!
I think it helped with military accuracy that the show creator and producer of JAG, Donald Bellisario was a U.S. Marine himself.
And he had a hand in creating some of the most iconic TV shows in history: Magnum P.I., Airwolf, Quantum Leap, and of course NCIS.
One of my mom's favorite television shows. I loved watching it together.
Rabb was a Naval Aviator. He crashed a Tomcat and his RIO died. He was cleared but diagnosed with night blindness so he lost flight status. That's why he went to law school and became a JAG. Later in the series, he finds out that the diagnosis was wrong, gets his vision fixed, and goes back to aviation. His CO on the ship he goes on tells him that the years he spent as a JAG put him too far behind the career curve to stay in aviation and tells him to go back to JAG.
Love it when Spencer guest stars!
I still can't believe there were no criminal charges from Tailhook.
That sadly is way too common in incidents like that and worse. And no diss aimed at Spencer or others involved in the service there, charges even in a CM can become political.
i can, unfortunately.
@@cericatusually only when it involves officers and senior enlisted,. Had those been a few ncos and junior enlisted there would have been courts martial all aeound
I'm currently in the Navy Reserves and several old MAs and my retired master chief, all stated that improper command influence was one of many main reasons punishments weren't dished out and a lot of evidence was "Ordered" swept under the rug. That's why when the Navy reorganized the NIS to NCIS it became 90 percent civilian.
I love that the admiral who wants to hush it up and make it go away was Lloyd Bridges' No. 2 in "Hot Shots!"
Spencer: "I appreciate her correcting Rabbs' grammar." Me: "Of course a lawyer would love nitpicking grammar."
This is more of a military review than a legal review and I’m here for it.
Well JAG is more of a military show than a legal show in early seasons. We see an Iraqi court martial before we see an American one
OMG the jab at the NCIS franchise, I am dying. 😂😂😂 Delighted to see Scowl Owl again! So happy any time he makes an appearance!
The NCIS franchise was BORN from a 2 episode backdoor pilot on JAG
Harm was accused of murder and Gibbs and Ducky were investing him.
The Franchise OWES its existence to JAG
It would have been sacrilege to not mention it and the fine line they stomped on of which investigates what.
An even better fact:
JAG was CANCELLED after it's first season
We wouldn't have NCIS if the show hadn't been rescued by CBS
You see: NBC and Bellisario weren't on good terms and the network undermined the show. NBC forced him to replace LT Pike with a blond co-star, be more action and less legal, etc.
They then CANCELLED the series without airing the last episode because their meddling made ratings ho-hum.
CBS grabbed it from the cancel pile and let Bellisario do what he wanted. They replaced Navy LT JG Austin with Marine Major Mackenzie and the rest is history.
That save from cancellation made CBS some BIG bucks; not only from 9 years of JAG but the ENTIRE NCIS franchise
All from saving a cancelled show from oblivion
The epitome of a show saved from cancellation and making it big is JAG
Surprised at how high your final ruling was. I loved this show. I remember when it first came out the producers made a point of they were borrowing from the Tom Cruise movies. They made no secret of reusing Top Gun footage. IIRC Lt. Harmon "Harm" Rabb gave up his wings when he had to leave flight status because of night blindness.
Often they'd take the Top Gun footage and flop it; the lettering on the sides of the planes was mirrored. And also often several different planes will be used for supposedly one plane.
I think Spencer graded on a curve. He only had an issue with how often the Board of Inquiry was raised given the case probably would have gone straight to NCIS and likely chalked it up to writers building drama.
They had to use top gun footage because the navy did not cooperate with this show in the early days
The reason they used Top Gun - and later, Hunt for Red October - footage is because all 3 were Paramount Studios 😉👍
@@heatherknopp3723 IIRC they also got a lot of mileage out of the convoy ambush scene from Clear & Present Danger
Excellent video Devin! i would love to see a review of the film Anatomy of a Fall too. Cheers!
From one vet to another thank you for your service
I loved the softness of the lighting in this series. It had a Hallmark-like quality about it all the while still confronting many a controversial topic of its day. I watched this every day while I was still serving until it signed off in 2005, a big hole was left inside but at least they kind of closed the romance loop on Harm and Sarah.
They made each episode as if they were making a movie. The production values are so good!
Always with my wires crossed. I always tend to treat Sarah and McKenzie as different entities when in both cases means the same person
I miss this kind of soft lighting in tv/film
@ even I had to double check myself before posting here so not uncommon to confuse the names.
@@go-away-5555 this is what turned me on to the series.
I saw some of these as a kid. Great to see a former JAG to give the real picture, much thanks.
Oh, this editing at 16:00
Godlike! Props to the editor!
Love seeing a good JAG off in court.
I didn't see a courtroom. Just a bunch of seamen in a JAG off.
@@mathewwadsworth3015 You're correct: it was a JAG off surrounded by Seamen
The board of inquiry were all just there to watch.
IF I'm remembering correctly, from a show I haven't watched in 20 years or so, they do eventually explain why Lt. Rabb stoppd wearing his wings. He did complete flight school and was an active aviator for a while. Unfortunately, he suffered an injury that caused him to develop night blidness, which permanently disqualified him from active flight duty. He transferred into the JAG Corps after that. It is because he essentially couldn't fly any more that he stopped wearing his wings, but he had legitimately earned them, along with his callsign.
He suffered an injury and it was MISDIAGNOSED as night blindness AFTER his RIO DIED in an accident.
He stopped wearing his wings because he felt GUILTY over the death.
@@ChibiHoshiDragon I did say IF I was remembering correctly from a show I haven't watched in 20 years or so. That capitalized 'IF' was there for a reason.
Now, I'm just a random Army dude who happened to read the MCM a couple of times but if the Admiral pushes for a certain finding in an investigation, does that not constitute unlawful command influence? If so, what penalties would he be subject to? On paper, I mean; I think we know the reality of what consequences a general officer would suffer.
I’m a random USN E5, but if memory serves, depending on the ADM’s position within the CoC, would then determine which legal path it could take. Let’s say if he’s the 5th Fleet Admiral, it would take the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO and the top of the Navy Officer food chain of command) or SECNAV to escalate the matter.
But, we both know, if it’s a JO or lower Enlisted, they’re pretty boned. Unless, of course, the Sailor & Skipper determine a Captain’s Mast is preferable. In which case, it could be anywhere from the standard 45/45/half-a-month’s x2, all the way up to a bread & water rationing (which is still used in the Navy, but for no more than 3 days).
However, I am but an IT2, and can only spout off what I’ve learned in the last 7-8 years 😂
@@JakeSezzIn other words, the UCMJ is designed to protect those with authority to enforce it.
Spencer is so great whenever he’s featured, this channel just keeps getting better
Yes! This is the video I have been waiting for! Thanks so much. Always a good day when a Scowl Owl video drops.
Given my deeply military family (the genealogist in the family has a whole list of who served/fought in what war, on both sides, all the way back to the Revolutionary War) meant that we watched this show religiously.
The hilarity to me now that my dad would come back from the base to turn on a show about people working and living on base.
Thank you for clearing up NCIS's role. I find similar disconnections with NIS/NCIS with the movie "A Few Good Men".
It's possible when the pilot episode was written, NIS was still a thing and no one changed the script.
Did anyone else notice how he acknowledged that the higher ranked officers heavily lean on investigations but didn't go into more detail? I would love a video about just how much this happens in real life.
A lot, though most ride the line of criminality.
I'd love to see more episodes like this, love seeing people who actually know all the little details review shows like these.
I’m very happy to see that Spencer is on his own in the thumbnail and the intro!!
This was a great episode!!! Please do more JAG watches!!!!
I always loved the show. There are definitely better episodes with more military legal aspects to see. The pilot was okay, but the show didn't begin to hit its stride until the second season.
That's true for many shows: the first season is where they're still figuring things out, by the second season the show has found its footing.
Objection: Each spinoff of NCIS was a separate production with only the executives being shared, and therefore it is not proper to judge them all as if a single show. NCIS and NCIS: LA were especially different with the latter being practically a spy drama.
Sustained. The only link between them was the show creator, maybe some advisors, and the occasional crossover episodes. Goes for NCIS NO and NCIS Hawaii as well with NCIS LA and NCIS of course. I also think he made up NCIS Sydney as well as NCIS Naples (which he stated the one but not the other).
@@Moraenil I thought that about Sydney as well, but then I looked it up. Sydney is real, but it's still in production. It was announced in february of last year and is supposed to start later this year.
@@Moraenil So it's like Precure?
The fact that you perfectly described me with the NCIS Naples thing, I immediately thought since when was there something in Naples and why doesn't it show up on Paramount Plus And then you turned around and said the punchline and I felt attacked personally lol
I'll do you one better - I paused the video and Googled it and was slightly confused why I wasn't getting any hits.
I know I should be ashamed... but I'm not. Hell yeah NCIS IS that great :D
Hello! I had a suggestion about a show that could be lawyered: Black Mirror. It's insanely popular, so it would probably get a lot of views, but also because each episode is a different storyline, It has the potential to become a series as well. I just think some of the episodes bring up great points about privacy and technology (like the one about the mother watching what her daughter is doing through the implant in her head), which could be explained from a lawyer standpoint, and the issue of which is very prevalent in our society these days.
He did earn his wings, but he had some problems with his eyes if I remember correctly, which is why he was grounded and became a lawyer.
Ik you covered Star Trek already, and the episode was more of a military tribunal than a full court case so we were left a little bit in the dark on Federation court proceedings and how they work. The newest season of Strange New Worlds’ episode 2 is a full on court martial episode related to cultural discrimination and I would love to see your take on the matter when compared to contemporary American law. Another good law episode for Star Trek is Voyager’s Death Wish: this episode is related to the acceptability of assisted suicide within the law.
Subtitle to this video: "Real JAG is confused by some... unusual... storytelling choices in JAG"
Therapists are gonna be real confused when coach potatoes start showing up saying "A Navy lawyer recommended I seek treatment for my NCIS addiction."
Used to absolutely love this show, 20+ years after it ended I'm still upset that it ended the way it did without any sort of "Answers" or closure regarding the Harm/Mac situation..
Now, I might be wrong, but I’m 90% sure they appeared on NCIS somewhat recently which served as an ending.
What happened after the coin toss was revealed on NCIS LA. We also learn about Bud and Chegwidden on NCIS.
Didn't they get engaged in the finale?
@@constancep7632 Yes, but they also flipped a coin to decide which of them was going to retire and follow the other to their new post. Which freeze-framed with the coin in the air.
@@constancep7632 They flipped a coin to find out who was going to have to resign so Harm/Mac could be together without running afoul of "fraternization" regs, the very last image of the very last episode is the coin they flip in mid air ... I've watched the NCIS spinoffs for 20 years after that they would drop a hint but alas they never did.
Very nice 🙏🏼Just finished watching JAG all over again😎looking forward to 226 more reactions 🫡😋
3:56 hanky panky is the correct term - I've never heard it called onky ponky before 😂
He was saying hanky panky with an eastern accent
l absolutely LOVE JAG!!! I was glad to see you did the pilot episode. The later seasons have so much courtroom drama. l hope you do analysis on later seasons. Thank you for this video.
Starting with the 2nd episode the opening credits narration makes it clear that he was an active pilot that suffered an injury resulting in “night blindness”
I loved JAG as a teen. I would watch the reruns on TV all the time and the new episodes during the last season. I was an NJROTC cadet for four years and I adored this show.
I really hope you guys do later seasons. Great courtroom and legal scenes along with action scenes!
Also, season 2-10 had THE best and iconic cast and characters on the show. Especially seasons 4-9.
Ayyy I love JAG
19:50 He was an aviator that became a JAG when he... crashed a Tomcat into the side of a carrier, killing his RIO.
OMG yes! I've waited for over a year, but this is so worth it! Thank you both!
I never knew how friggin amazing JAG's soundtrack is! I miss shows having great orchestral scoring.
It has some of the best music! They wrote fresh scores for each episode as needed!
Heck yeah been waiting for this. Loved JAG.
With much respect to the lawyer, this episode of JAG deserves a D- at best for military accuracy. There is so much that is just pure lunacy. I spent 4 years on an aircraft carrier, and nothing about this episode passes the smell test. We are extremely careful when moving elevators; depending on the ship I don't think one could possibly transit from the catwalk to the elevator. The discussions by the senior officers would NEVER be held where they were. At night, you can't see anything on the other side of the flight deck; certainly not a person's head poking up. No one would even allow someone to set foot on an active flight deck while wearing their cover. And that's just the stuff I can recall from watching this video; I'm sure there was much more in the actual episode. And I'm pretty sure the JAG office would not be summoned to the White House to brief the first lady, even if she is Hillary Clinton.
Sorry guys, but this Navy veteran cries foul.
I mean, her husband is their boss (or rather, something like their boss's boss's boss), so I don't think it's impossible that the JAG could be summoned to the White House, it's just not usual.
@@Ravus_SapiensI spotted at least five safety violations within the first five minutes lol
"Everything they did was nonsense: A-."
@@IAmAlgolei that's the sound of bias. Apparently lawyers aren't perfect paragons of virtue, who would have thought that about the legal profession...
I'm glad I'm not the only one that was upset about that rating 😂
13:29 - this was hilarious, much like many other parts of this video. I absolutely love Spencer's dry humour and that of whoever oversees the editing. 'The rule is that two officers can be sent if they have good on-screen chemistry.'
I loved this show as a kid and I realized a interesting thing about Harms character when I saw it again in my late teens. They made Harm a truly good guy and then turned that on its heels and made into personal weakness that in many respects prevents him from getting into a relationship with McKenzie sooner than it happens.
1:17 my mum was a massive NCIS fan my immediate thought was "Lol she missed one"
I think I just aged about 30 more years after hearing Win95 be called “cutting edge” in one of those initial clips oh god.
The gags, edits, talent/knowledge pool rock on this channel. Great solo episode!
Alright....I'll admit it. I WAS wondering when they came out with NCIS Naples, why I hadn't heard of it, and which streaming platform had it. But it's only because I want to learn Italian....yep. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! 😂😅😊
I didn't know that there's an NCIS Sydney... I do remember they tried spinning off NCIS:RED, which was supposed to be a team with a mobile office/lab that could set up anywhere. They appeared in one episode of NCIS:LA and vanished...
Could you guys do a break down on the final act of Oppenheimer?? I know neither “scenes” were actual trials but I would really be interested in how much was accurate irl and yallls take on it. Thank! Love this episode on JAG!!!
This is what I miss about legal eagle, go back to the TV shows or movies as much as they used to! Keep it up!
Great! I've been hoping for Spencer to review JAG! Hoping for more episodes someday.
Need to see more JAG analyses. I love JAG so much. But really it's the later seasons that feel on point. The first season is....very strange. Please more JAG.
But also, really want to see a Battlestar Galactica analyses of the episode where Admiral Cain court martials Adama's men.
There is a REASON the first season feels off
NBC and Bellisario weren't on good terms and the network undermined the show. NBC forced him to replace LT Pike with a blond co-star, be more action and less legal, etc.
They then CANCELLED the series without airing the last episode because their meddling made ratings ho-hum.
CBS grabbed it from the cancel pile and let Bellisario do what he wanted. They replaced Navy LT JG Austin with Marine Major Mackenzie and the rest is history.
That save from cancellation made CBS some BIG bucks; not only from 9 years of JAG but the ENTIRE NCIS franchise
All from saving a cancelled show from oblivion
The epitome of a show saved from cancellation and making it big is JAG
People seem to forget that the show had been CANCELLED.
First Season was way too much Tom Clancy action that didn’t make sense for it’s premise.
8:17....OOOOOOH, that's one of those tactical clarinets I've heard so much about. That's a real choice piece of kit there!
With 10 seasons worth of episodes I would love this to be its own series.
I adore this show. Thanks for doing this!
Spencer, do more JAG episodes!!
It literally says in the intro that he suffered a ramp strike while landing a tomcat. His RIO was killed and happened to be Mace's brother
the actor who plays the villain is typically cast as a bad guy. So if you have seen him before, it is easy to figure out he did it.
As often is the case in most shows. See an actor who plays a villain or a creep? They did it. See a familiar actor? They likely did it. I used to play a game with myself like that.
@@TheForeverRanger Yep so much typecasting, it's like seeing Sean Bean in the credits for people, they expect him to die.
Great to see scowl owl back. I love JAG. Made me want to join and be a lawyer. Turned out to join a different branch and career field entirely but that’s beside the point.
Side note: can he weigh in on the Bergdahl case. Something happened today regarding his charges and I think the Owl could provide some valuable insight
According to Harmon Rabb Wikipedia page, he's actually finished his flying training and made it to F-14 squadron (shooting down a Libyan MiG-23 at some point), before removed from flying status after he crashed his F-14 during night landing at an aircraft carrier in which the RIO killed, the accident was blamed on Rabb suffering night blindness (in which later turns out to be misdiagnosis and it was retinal scarring)
That's the story! 📂 I thought it had some issue with his father's MIA(POW) status in SE Asia. Rabb had his father's Navy wings but would not display them until his dad's body-remains ⚰️ were recovered.
JAG was few years after premiere in my country, I was just few years old and I loved it! I also watched cold case, bones as a teen...