Watching all the way from South Africa🇿🇦Joshua Maponga nailed it. Please don't take a step back tata, you're in a good path continue to spread African Spirituality to four corners of the world. The good news is that African Spirituality is rapidly taking place in Southern Africa each and everyday under the leadership of iNkosi Yomoya/Spiritual King ubab'Uzwi-Lezwe Radebe!!!
Rev - You are my Tribe - this is the only REDEMPTIVE SPIRITUAL WAY (Faith of God). Any other forms are all versions & forms of INTERSECTIONALISM - Divide & Rule (The Single-handed weapon of the enemy) that has divided us for generations. Bishop thanks = Heaven (Masculine)-always SEEDS & Earth (Feminine). We are seed of of Heaven intimating with Earth = hope it helps in the conversation
a few minutes in the conversation and rev. walter is using the bible to defend the bible😅, why is he assuming that everyone that is listening considers the bible as a source of facts...
So the big question must be, are the same gods or spirits evil or good, should they be embraced or not?? And that supreme GOD who's above all gods, DOES HE HAVE THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS IN ALL RELIGIONS, AND ARE THOSE CHARACTERISTICS BEING EXPERIENCED BY THESE PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS??
The African idea of GOD is not biblical. God is unknown and unknowable, that why in our African religion we don't have an image of GOD (like this picture of GOD)...So we are GOD having a human experience...we are components/aspects of God....the totality of the Sun, the moon, the stars, the trees and everything when combined is GOD. Out of the 3000 tribes we have in Africa there is no single tribe which does not have the name of GOD...People are like the GOD they worship. In Ancient cultures specifically Egypt the Son of God mean the SUN GOD which is also referred to as RA. Thats why you see the picture of Jesus with the 12 disciples at the last super has a halop. On Christmas the sun dies for 3 days 22, 23, 24 then rise on the 25th and it moves 1 degree....The thing of the Sun started in Egypt…but its found across Africa…that why its said RA-MA-SEDI… (RA is the Sun…Ma is the Moon and SED is the stars… he the trinity of the heavenly bodies/lights or the luminary of the sky. The problem with Christians in relation to the sun is that they demonized people who worshiped the Sun We have to be care when using the word RELIGION as Religion is a formalized belief, a organized superstition...whereas African Spirituality is just superstition
The debate was a very peaceful one, but I just have one thing that I would love to understand about the Bible and its believers. Why is it God hated the Africans too much to an extent that he can even dare communicate to them directly, instead, he uses the Bible which was brought to us by the white settlers?
The Bible is bantu history, Deutoromy 14 vs 2 reads, For thou are holy people unto the Lord thy God, the Lord thy God had CHOSEN YOU to be a special people unto Himself. Deutoromy 7 vs 8 reads, But because the Lord LOVED YOU and because He would keep the Oath which He had SWORN unto your Fathers.
The experience one has from having an intimate relationship with God, putting aside the Bible for a sec, white settlers don't have that much power over people. What leads people to God isn't the Bible, or white settlers, it's God Himself. The Bible amplifies and helps you know Him better
@@Loveable_introvert THE BIBLE IS JUST A HISTORY BOOK , There is nothing special about it with due respect.. the context of my quastion is , if you read the bible it clearly shows that the people who lived during that era used to speak with God directly and those people are not Black Africans . so my quastion was why cant that happen to the black people .
@@tinasheesbart8775The people you see today (BANTU) are the generations of the people you are talking about. Ecclesiastes 3 vs 15 reads, That which has been is now and that which is to be had already been and God requires which is past. Ecclesiastes 1 vs 9 reads, The thing that had been, it is that it shall be, and that which is done is that which shall be done: AND THERE IS NO NEW THING UNDER THE SUN. Verse 10 reads, Is there anything whereof it may be said, See: this is new? It had been already of old time, which was before us.
Mwambazi likes semantics and acts as though his God can’t be independently be verified. He speaks of his God as unique, but Maponga is an objective thinker and critic. He exposed Mwambazi in real time.
Even the one who claim to represent Christianity is the doer of the law.whats the point of arguing with Maponga if you do the same evilness(Roman's 10vs 4/1corinth 15vs56)
There is not one African spirituality, why is the debaters acting as such a thing existed, we have to stop using West Africa as the template for all of Africa, in food, beliefs, spirituality, and look.
The lazy bummy are the one who searching for God. They just want to receive by just praying and worshipping - they remind me of some woman who just stand at the corner with small bags selling their bodies. If you don't accept that "is it not written that you are gods" at least accept that he is in you!
The difference between the two is that one quotes the bible and another is plugged and in tune with the voice of the Creator,natural intelligence vs biblical studies,belief vs knowledge.
Maponga breaks it down for even a little baby to overstand, great African teacher🫡
❤❤Malawi 🇲🇼🇲🇼🇲🇼 much love for maponga J
Watching all the way from South Africa🇿🇦Joshua Maponga nailed it.
Please don't take a step back tata, you're in a good path continue to spread African Spirituality to four corners of the world.
The good news is that African Spirituality is rapidly taking place in Southern Africa each and everyday under the leadership of iNkosi Yomoya/Spiritual King ubab'Uzwi-Lezwe Radebe!!!
This African Spirituality word is an insult to our four fathers.
Thank Joshua Maponga we are tired as Africans we don't want religion anymore we want our African indigenous spirituality.
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We not africans we isrealites
There's no African spirituality.
Do you know that Africa only came 17th century there was no that before.
@@Makarios-t3d it was named after the man the won the war in the northern africa, named Leo Africanus
You mean you want female genital mutilation, polygamy and wife inheritance etc
Jesus Christ is the way life and truth
I liked their views but maponga is still my greater teacher as an African child
This conversation should carry on part 2. I enjoyed the conversations.
Rev is cooking , am now schooled
If DNA is God then God is our ancestor who molds and shapes everything
Maponga needs to debate real scholars. Not hyper spiritualists.
My hat off to Rev Mwambazi on climate change
Great insights right there. I have learnt a lot from both sides.
Maponga, thank you .
Rev - You are my Tribe - this is the only REDEMPTIVE SPIRITUAL WAY (Faith of God). Any other forms are all versions & forms of INTERSECTIONALISM - Divide & Rule (The Single-handed weapon of the enemy) that has divided us for generations.
Bishop thanks = Heaven (Masculine)-always SEEDS & Earth (Feminine). We are seed of of Heaven intimating with Earth = hope it helps in the conversation
a few minutes in the conversation and rev. walter is using the bible to defend the bible😅, why is he assuming that everyone that is listening considers the bible as a source of facts...
Take your flowers sir👏👏
The Bible is our photo album.
The Bible is a Bubble hence those who believes in it crack easily during debates or pops out
The bible brought Christianity
What should he use then because he seated there as a christian
The description of knowing God (African spirituality) VERSUS believing in God (Christianity)
There is nothing called Christianity in the Bible.
And the word "African Spirituality" is an insult to our four fathers.
@@johnkhaba9647what's your point with Christianity?
We need more discussions likewise.
Joshua Maponga "AKA the great teacher.aka Moses,aka Enlightener,aka the voice!..
to some of us, the bible is just a book, it holds no weight when you base your premises on what the bible says.
The Bible is our Photo Album.
Political Propaganda .. Cerzaun BOOKS were left out to serve a narrative@@johnkhaba9647
elder maponga is killing it
Rev changed his conversation in the end to win people over. That should tell you what pastors truly believe and why they do what they do.
Amen God is a tricky name
The christian pastor was already sweating even before the debate began😂😂😂
Very educational. Thanks
So Mary is God in Christianity?
Baba Maponga is a true luminary
So the big question must be, are the same gods or spirits evil or good, should they be embraced or not??
And that supreme GOD who's above all gods, DOES HE HAVE THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS IN ALL RELIGIONS, AND ARE THOSE CHARACTERISTICS BEING EXPERIENCED BY THESE PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS??
There is only one YAHUWA.
The African idea of GOD is not biblical. God is unknown and unknowable, that why in our African religion we don't have an image of GOD (like this picture of GOD)...So we are GOD having a human experience...we are components/aspects of God....the totality of the Sun, the moon, the stars, the trees and everything when combined is GOD. Out of the 3000 tribes we have in Africa there is no single tribe which does not have the name of GOD...People are like the GOD they worship. In Ancient cultures specifically Egypt the Son of God mean the SUN GOD which is also referred to as RA. Thats why you see the picture of Jesus with the 12 disciples at the last super has a halop. On Christmas the sun dies for 3 days 22, 23, 24 then rise on the 25th and it moves 1 degree....The thing of the Sun started in Egypt…but its found across Africa…that why its said RA-MA-SEDI… (RA is the Sun…Ma is the Moon and SED is the stars… he the trinity of the heavenly bodies/lights or the luminary of the sky. The problem with Christians in relation to the sun is that they demonized people who worshiped the Sun
We have to be care when using the word RELIGION as Religion is a formalized belief, a organized superstition...whereas African Spirituality is just superstition
Therefore is there heaven for any ignorant man?
Wonderful debate
The debate was a very peaceful one, but I just have one thing that I would love to understand about the Bible and its believers. Why is it God hated the Africans too much to an extent that he can even dare communicate to them directly, instead, he uses the Bible which was brought to us by the white settlers?
The Bible is bantu history,
Deutoromy 14 vs 2 reads, For thou are holy people unto the Lord thy God, the Lord thy God had CHOSEN YOU to be a special people unto Himself.
Deutoromy 7 vs 8 reads, But because the Lord LOVED YOU and because He would keep the Oath which He had SWORN unto your Fathers.
@@johnkhaba9647 I believe that you didn't respond directly to my question. In a way that I can comprehend.
The experience one has from having an intimate relationship with God, putting aside the Bible for a sec, white settlers don't have that much power over people. What leads people to God isn't the Bible, or white settlers, it's God Himself. The Bible amplifies and helps you know Him better
@@Loveable_introvert THE BIBLE IS JUST A HISTORY BOOK , There is nothing special about it with due respect.. the context of my quastion is , if you read the bible it clearly shows that the people who lived during that era used to speak with God directly and those people are not Black Africans . so my quastion was why cant that happen to the black people .
@@tinasheesbart8775The people you see today (BANTU) are the generations of the people you are talking about.
Ecclesiastes 3 vs 15 reads, That which has been is now and that which is to be had already been and God requires which is past.
Ecclesiastes 1 vs 9 reads, The thing that had been, it is that it shall be, and that which is done is that which shall be done: AND THERE IS NO NEW THING UNDER THE SUN.
Verse 10 reads, Is there anything whereof it may be said, See: this is new? It had been already of old time, which was before us.
The Rev bowed on the cross
Who founded Christianity???
In Israel they still do rituals with chickens, was shocked.
"When are you coming back tonJesus"
A lot of knowledge here
Friendly debate I love these two respond to each other and respect each other's views
This was interesting
Cloud seeding, weather manipulation* that mineral mapping in Zambia raises eyebrows with such technology.
Elder maponga forgive mwambazi he is still rising he is scared of loosing other things
The only person who can go head to head with Joshua maponga is Dr Abel Damina.
Wonderful
Plz invite Pastor Shimmy Kotu vs Joshua Maponga. Maponga will definitely avoid that encounter.
Shimmy is an empty vessel
There is so much confusion in this debate. I think the moderator failed
❤❤❤Bana Maponga... You are the best... The Rev is still a novice....
Mzee Maponga nalied it we need to dig quite deeper and apply common sense before we only believe in the scriptures
You just don't debate with someone dressed like that, trust me you will lose 😁😂
This debate was too short
The moment you go " l agree" means you have surrendered to the topic
Viva Maponga
Mwambazi likes semantics and acts as though his God can’t be independently be verified. He speaks of his God as unique, but Maponga is an objective thinker and critic. He exposed Mwambazi in real time.
Very educational but I disagree in some instances
Maponga 🤌🏾🤌🏾
Maponga should be debating intellectuals, not these religious/Christian fanstic preachers
Next time you have such a debate, publicise it adequately
Rev mwambazi is very powerful
I am tired of selling of our daughters for the misbehaving of African Man. I would never give away my daughters
Even the one who claim to represent Christianity is the doer of the law.whats the point of arguing with Maponga if you do the same evilness(Roman's 10vs 4/1corinth 15vs56)
The question is in who’s name are these done?
The Rev is using the very bible in question as his source of information 😢😢😢
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pick up your c ross is not the same as pick up my cross
Elder Jo forgive mwambazi he is on superstition mode he likes imagination
Haarb
Best debate only disturbed by poor sound quality.
This man is lost , Mapongo destroyed him
Maponga seemed bored
You can't outthink them in their language
There is not one African spirituality, why is the debaters acting as such a thing existed, we have to stop using West Africa as the template for all of Africa, in food, beliefs, spirituality, and look.
There we go again this book called the Bible I hate that book.
Why my brother? Educate me
Simple - just don't read it & ul be relieved from ur hatred!
Rev Mwambazi was cooking here ... Maponga kept interjecting when the man is sharing deep wisdom
Remember this is a debate nothing else...listen to understand not to judge..
@ it is in understanding that judgements are rendered. U are trying too hard
Camera man and Yellow bone
The lazy bummy are the one who searching for God. They just want to receive by just praying and worshipping - they remind me of some woman who just stand at the corner with small bags selling their bodies.
If you don't accept that "is it not written that you are gods" at least accept that he is in you!
THERE IS NO NAME CALLED CHRISTIANITY IN THE BIBLE.
SO CALLED "AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY WORD" IS AN INSULT TO OUR FOUR FATHERS.
Two gentlemen were on point.
The difference between the two is that one quotes the bible and another is plugged and in tune with the voice of the Creator,natural intelligence vs biblical studies,belief vs knowledge.
Proverbs 2 vs 6 reads, For the Lord gives WISDOM AND OUT OF HISMOUTH comes KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING.
Excellent