If it wasn't title or bust they wouldn't have traded CP3, they would have simply waived him and eaten his contract rather than play "pass the trash" with Washington. Play to win. The front office made all the right moves this offseason, now the top players need to show why people feared them before last season.
Remenber this time last year when Suns fans were telling everyone how nobodies like Jordan Goodwin and Keita whatever was going to help them win a championship. That was some funny shit.
Completely agree about not treating it as a Title or Bust season. They haven’t earned it. Last season was absolute torture. To the point I would watch 1 game a week (MAYBE) for my sanity. Can’t experience that again. It ruined rooting for the team.
They may not have earned it but they definitely deserve it. You don't make the moves that have been made the last two offseasons and be modest about expectations. Ben might not like how Ishbia went up and got egg on his face, but it sure as hell beats writing an apology letter on twitter.
@@psychobluesfxt You’re not being realistic. Theres more to winning a title than just names on the squad. For starters, they are starting from square 1 again with head coach. People ignore how crucial it was to get the correct hire last year. This should’ve been Year 2 of Suns Head Coach, where they learn what worked and didn’t work. Players grow and understand Head Coach’s style. But now, gotta start over. Again. Half the team from beginning of last yr is gone again. Extremely difficult to build chem and W a title that way. Lebron has a lot of you fooled. It’s nearly impossible to W a title with a new squad and coach. Only GOATS that are player-coaches can do that.
@@b4Sed1593 half the team is better than all but like 2 of the team. Last year has more excuses than this one. Vogel unfortunately was like Duane Casey and Scott Skiles before him: the league passed him by at the worst time. There was no point continuing down that road especially when Shams released a report stating that the players felt like his film sessions were a joke.
@@psychobluesfxt You’re just proving my point. Suns wasted a whole 1 year with Vogel. They got the HC hire completely wrong. Now they have to start over with Bud. How many times in NBA history has a brand new head coach won a title with a new team, especially in post 80s basketball? You’re being massively unrealistic if you think Bud has zero excuses and must win the title his first year. What “growth” did the team’s core actually have last year? The starting 5 played like 20 games together. You’re basically starting over again this year 😂 You’re in for a world of disappointment if your expectation is title or it’s a horrible season.
@@b4Sed1593 My expectation is a Top 4 finish. That's also the expectation of the team that has been assembled or Tyus Jones wouldn't have made this sacrifice. The expectation of the team itself should match that, and when you're a Top 4 finish, you're shooting for a title even if you fall short in the CFs. On top of that, as this show has pointed out, the rest of the west has become weaker where the Suns could easily finish as a 4 seed to make such a goal within reach.
24:20 i think this is one of the reasons Ishbia has been so trigger happy on moves because if it doesn't work out he can tell Booker its not like he didnt make any moves for him
For who are you trading KD for? KD has Two Rings an MVP and is one of the best players ever. You build around Book and KD they are generational players that are idolized.🙏🏀
If it’s not title or bust than what is the season after? It’s cool with you if KD and Book don’t win a chip in Phoenix? Seems like 38 minutes of coping with the fact that suns ain’t winning a chip with 2 of the best player in the game.
@@JaredRichey-ly9qr This season is to prove that this team and coach can contend for a title at highest level. Aka WCF appearance or Finals appearance. Next year would be the true Title or Bust. Year 2 of Bud, a whole year of Bud learning what works/doesn’t work, and the Big 3 hopefully playing atleast 80% of the season together. Last year they only played like 20 games altogether. That’s horrible.
when they traded away the farm for KD the Suns had to win 2 chips. And two playoffs have come and gone, and they're further away from chip than 3 years ago.
If it wasn't title or bust they wouldn't have traded CP3, they would have simply waived him and eaten his contract rather than play "pass the trash" with Washington. Play to win. The front office made all the right moves this offseason, now the top players need to show why people feared them before last season.
Remenber this time last year when Suns fans were telling everyone how nobodies like Jordan Goodwin and Keita whatever was going to help them win a championship. That was some funny shit.
Completely agree about not treating it as a Title or Bust season. They haven’t earned it. Last season was absolute torture. To the point I would watch 1 game a week (MAYBE) for my sanity. Can’t experience that again. It ruined rooting for the team.
They may not have earned it but they definitely deserve it. You don't make the moves that have been made the last two offseasons and be modest about expectations. Ben might not like how Ishbia went up and got egg on his face, but it sure as hell beats writing an apology letter on twitter.
@@psychobluesfxt You’re not being realistic. Theres more to winning a title than just names on the squad. For starters, they are starting from square 1 again with head coach. People ignore how crucial it was to get the correct hire last year. This should’ve been Year 2 of Suns Head Coach, where they learn what worked and didn’t work. Players grow and understand Head Coach’s style. But now, gotta start over. Again. Half the team from beginning of last yr is gone again. Extremely difficult to build chem and W a title that way. Lebron has a lot of you fooled. It’s nearly impossible to W a title with a new squad and coach. Only GOATS that are player-coaches can do that.
@@b4Sed1593 half the team is better than all but like 2 of the team. Last year has more excuses than this one. Vogel unfortunately was like Duane Casey and Scott Skiles before him: the league passed him by at the worst time. There was no point continuing down that road especially when Shams released a report stating that the players felt like his film sessions were a joke.
@@psychobluesfxt You’re just proving my point. Suns wasted a whole 1 year with Vogel. They got the HC hire completely wrong. Now they have to start over with Bud. How many times in NBA history has a brand new head coach won a title with a new team, especially in post 80s basketball? You’re being massively unrealistic if you think Bud has zero excuses and must win the title his first year. What “growth” did the team’s core actually have last year? The starting 5 played like 20 games together. You’re basically starting over again this year 😂 You’re in for a world of disappointment if your expectation is title or it’s a horrible season.
@@b4Sed1593 My expectation is a Top 4 finish. That's also the expectation of the team that has been assembled or Tyus Jones wouldn't have made this sacrifice. The expectation of the team itself should match that, and when you're a Top 4 finish, you're shooting for a title even if you fall short in the CFs. On top of that, as this show has pointed out, the rest of the west has become weaker where the Suns could easily finish as a 4 seed to make such a goal within reach.
fans expectations are crazy tbh want to see them play some games before l decide if they are good or bad
If they don't win the championship this year Beal and or Durant will get traded next off season. James Jones will probably be gone too.
Beal isn’t going anywhere if he doesn’t want to he has no trade clause he’s staying with book Durant is likely gonna be gone
24:20 i think this is one of the reasons Ishbia has been so trigger happy on moves because if it doesn't work out he can tell Booker its not like he didnt make any moves for him
27:00 same here
For who are you trading KD for? KD has Two Rings an MVP and is one of the best players ever. You build around Book and KD they are generational players that are idolized.🙏🏀
want to see them play first
I love being an every-dayer tbh
Same
If it’s not title or bust than what is the season after? It’s cool with you if KD and Book don’t win a chip in Phoenix? Seems like 38 minutes of coping with the fact that suns ain’t winning a chip with 2 of the best player in the game.
@@JaredRichey-ly9qr This season is to prove that this team and coach can contend for a title at highest level. Aka WCF appearance or Finals appearance. Next year would be the true Title or Bust. Year 2 of Bud, a whole year of Bud learning what works/doesn’t work, and the Big 3 hopefully playing atleast 80% of the season together. Last year they only played like 20 games altogether. That’s horrible.
when they traded away the farm for KD the Suns had to win 2 chips. And two playoffs have come and gone, and they're further away from chip than 3 years ago.
you guys know we can't have anything nice in Arizona concerning sports lmao
tbh the suns last year was the most bipolar team l ever saw crazy up and downs in same game
This Garcia guy is unwatchably bad. Not a questioning mindset. All hot takes that are very questionable. Hard to keep watching
yes Jones should be gone
This team won’t make it out of the first round…again