RCF NX45 & 8004 (Best Portable Small Format PA)
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2020
- In this video I wanted to demonstrate what the RCF NX45's & the 8004 Subwoofers sound like with an actual band playing through the system.
Playing music through a system is one thing but playing an actual band is another.
This little system packs a ton of punch and can handle the majority of small clubs and bars, even nice sized beer gardens with plenty to spare.
In my opinion it is the ultimate small format PA system for the money.
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Bands in this video are: Cortez & Friends and Spurs & Lace (country band that cranked out some Whitesnake on request)
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Check out this super portable small format PA that will kick major butt! Watch entire clip for more music!
Damn! Came for the speaker demo, stayed for the “Still Of The Night”’cover! 🤘🏻
Thanks! Putting a band through the system shows how dynamic it can be. It is easy to make pre-recorded music sound good. Thanks for commenting!
Same :D so good...
That "In the still of the night" cover was amazing lol
Thank you sir! Pure Rock & Roll right there!
Yes it was. Dudes got a killer voice. Any live videos here on UA-cam?
That was awesome.
I just recommended my friend to buy a pair of the new RCF NX 945-A and he can't stop praising them.
@@DestroyerOfLiberals - that’s awesome! Good Stuff!
THIS IS OUTSTANDING RCF SPEAKERS ARE FANTASTIC
Not bad and good bang for the buck! Thanks for commenting!
Great sound, great job mixing. One of the best RCF NX45 videos on UA-cam.
Thanks for the nice compliment!
Absolutely Loud and Clear !
WOW! This is the best "live" demo I've ever heard, and with a cell phone! Noted Shure mic... And the 2 bands are absolutely killer! You've raised the bar for sure!
Thanks! I got a new iPhone 13 Pro and I no longer need the Shure Mic attachment. Sounds great just the way it is. Thanks for commenting!
Nice mix, really smooth yet open & balanced with good dynamics. Pretty tight for 18’s.
Overall great system and great video. 🙏
Thank You!
Great small "Concert Sound" Impressive mixing ✨ & what a great + easy package to work with by the sounds of it.
Thanks! Super happy with it for the smaller venues.
Wow!! Amazing band and sound, kudos to the singer!!!
So I have watched a couple of you videos and the RCFs are nice and clear. What I want to say is that your mixes are very good. Clear and balanced, effects are house as on the recording. One sound man to another great job.
I appreciate that Bill! I work with a lot of bands and sometimes it hard to really get locked in with them. This past year I worked locally with a band on UA-cam called “Decade of Decadence Band”. They were super loose in the beginning but I started coaching them and working with them on individual sounds and tones....etc... and they really improved. They have a lot of videos on their channel and I didn’t always mix for them but I did a lot of those shows. Check them out when you get time. Fun stuff!
Also a band called “Backseat Radio”, chick singer....
Thanks for commenting!
Here is the clip for Backseat Radio, ua-cam.com/video/hFcdpDfHJxU/v-deo.html
One more band I worked with, ua-cam.com/video/qa2q2-dQTt4/v-deo.html
Sounds sweet! And I like those RCF SUBWOOFERS:)
Always impressed with RCF stuff from the small stuff to the biggest they make. Great products! Punch way above what you expect.
For sure! Thanks!
This is great sound. The speakers sound great, but so does the mix. Good job!
Thank you sir!
This was the video that sold me on this exact setup, am getting 2x 8004 and 2x NX45-A for the season next year, gonna be awesome!
Awesome Mitas! You just can’t go wrong with this workhorse of a system. There just isn’t much adjusting of the main eq needed unless you are in a horrible room which actually happens a lot. In the video, my main eq was flat. No tweaks needed outdoors. No Top to Sub alignment needed. Phase is so smooth and flat. Enjoy! Oh, register your stuff and receive and extra year of warranty from RCF. Print up the certificates and file away with your paperwork.
@@soundasylumlive4421 Will do, its hard to get stock anywhere currently, but very excited!
RCF so good. Thx for video … great sounding band , bravo 🙌
Thanks Mark!
Sounds great to me! Fantastic job mixing 👍🏻
Thank You! So much fun!
I love your Maputo cut! Super Clean and HiFi Sound!
Thanks Steve!
Love RCF
I have the HD10-A tops and the 8004 subs. I also use an NX 12 monitor for my Quad Cortex modeler on stage. They make really great products!
The quality of the audio capture (especially that first band on the trailer) was awesome! That low end! PS ... great job with the delay on Still of the Night .... can't keep away ... ha! Nice!
Thanks friend!
I love the nx45 . I use it for small gigs as Top Speakers or for bigger things as Side or Front fill. fantastic sound and loudness.
Yes a very impressive 53-54 lbs box. Love them.
Wow… they sound great, the band sounds great! 👍🏾
Thanks!
Great mixing man! Speakers are definitely efficient!
Thanks! I can run everything I have plus everyone’s amps and instruments off of two 20 amp circuits. Rarely a problem. Thanks for commenting!
Not only does the PA sound great, your band rocks
Thanks!
Great band!
I verry like your sound you made, clean and strong ❤
Thanks!
Nice Mix! And your Vocal sound sweet with that little echo.
Thank you! Doing my best to honor the original recorded version. Always!
Sounds amazing!
Thank you!
Best White Snake cover I have heard. Vocals are amazing.
Thanks! They are great friends of mine and love to Rock out. Believe it or not, they are a country band that likes to Rock about half way through the night. Lol.
@@soundasylumlive4421 Also -your mix is very good. Vocals are sitting on top of the mix but rest of band is very clear and EQ'd well. Lots of live sound mixes just have the Kick drum or HH way too loud. Not too many fx. Its all just right. Great Job. The musicians on stage seem to be comfortable with their monitor mixes.
@@jimjimjimjimjim Thanks for the compliment! So much fun!
Great job 👌
tech808 - thank you! So much fun!
Still of the night was BADASS
Absolutely Sound!!!!
Increible sonido, felicitaciones al ingeniero también
Thank you sir!
Astounding
So I came back to this video and found myself really getting into the “jazzier” band.. they have something very cool going on … it’s really enjoyable
Yeah they are great. The name is “Cortez and Friends”. They are based out of Central Illinois. Top notch musicians.
oh cool! i live in rock island county, IL (central) i will to catch them live!
@@vicroberts3080 - Nice! The bass player’s name is Dave Plunk and he owns and operates “Music Makers” in Galesburg Illinois. Yeah see if you can catch a show out there. I only mixed for them this one time at a event.
Like the mix bro..
Thanks Herena!
I came here to check out the RCF’s portable sound system, what I found exceed my expectations. The band sounds awesome! and the audio mixing is top notch especially outdoor settings is very hard to adjust ( even the delays sounded all aligned) .. I noticed on “In still of the night “ song there’s no keyboard 🎹 parts, please ask the band if I can add keys section accordingly ..
Rock on 🤘
Jason H
Hey Jason - the band is no longer together but if you want to use the clip and add keys to it, go for it. I have thought about doing that myself as well. It would be cool to hear it. I also tempo mapped and added keys of “In Still of the Night” for another band I mix for so they could play to the tracks. Have fun with it! Let me know when you get it done. I would love to hear it.
@@soundasylumlive4421 Cool! considered my weekend projects.. definitely will let you know thanks
i finally found my happiness. thanks to your speaker setup. my plan is to build 1 ttl6a left and right area with a combinations of rcf 9006 as. got good news . in my place's dealership of rcf. they made them lower price. so i could afford now. and i want to build this set up too. rcf nx45 and rcf 8004 as. 2 sound system is my plan to build. the other one is for large event rcf ttl6a/rcf 9006 as, then the other is for small event setup 2 rcf nx45a and 2 rcf 8004 as. all my mixers were soundcraft. they are a great mixer as well.
Awesome! Can’t go wrong with those setups!
@@soundasylumlive4421 the price of rcf 9006 as now here is around 8,500 usd. before it cost around 15,500 usd per rcf 9006 as. the rcf ttl 6a also now available for around 8000 usd. the ttl6a before were cost around 16,000 usd.
@@carlotheatheistii546 - Awesome! Enjoy!
You have a nice setup 🙂😀
Thanks! Been super good and reliable so far.
Great video. Thank you Sir.
Thanks Igor!
very very good job , thank you
Thank You!
The bass guitar sounds amazing considering it’s not a big cabinet. I got a chance to use a pair of NX45A and a pair of 8004 subs at a gig a couple weeks ago for a benefit. Had 20 different musicians come and play. 840 people thru the door, and the RCF’S didn’t disappoint. The main band I mix for, got to hear what this system puts out and we’re impressed to say the least! The leader of the band texted me the next day, that the people there said that was the best they ever heard them. Even one of the musicians that played that day contacted me on messenger and wants me to run sound for their band through their system with RCF 8 HD-20 and 2 8006 dual 18 subs. They play a lot of Festival’s. Should be an interesting summer!
That's awesome Rick! Should be a lot of fun!
good cover of Maputo!
Sounds great
Thanks!
Band rocks!
These sound so dang good I wish I could afford them! Wow
Yes they are unfortunately. I was gigging every weekend so it didn't take long to recoup the cost. There are cheaper versions of these speakers like the composite box ART 745 and 8003 subs. Still going to kick butt!
@@soundasylumlive4421 yeah I wound up getting some more QSC K.12.2s because they were on sale and I’m familiar with them already. I was going to get ART 932s but I’ve just never herd them in person and I live in a place there’s no where to compare or even hear them. And the warranty is 6 years on QSC and 3 on RCF so that’s another reason I went QSC. But I bet the RCFs sound better in person. Already paid off my QSCs with gig money though haha maybe I shoulda got the expensive ones you’re using.
Wow that guy can sing oh my gosh keep it up
You should hear him sing AC/DC! Kills it!
nice! i like the subs in the middle too.
No comb filtering that way, plus free dB!
@@soundasylumlive4421 yeah no super bad power alley, that stinks. what console are you using btw?
@@asilva_media - Midas Pro 1 with two Midas DL153 stage racks. Amazing console!
@@soundasylumlive4421 nice!!
Finally someone who demonstrates how it sounds live and not just talk about……thank you. Mixer please?
Hey Doobick - Thanks! It’s easy to put great sounding music through a speaker and make it seem like it sounds great but putting a live band through the speakers can be a different ball game. The mixing console is a Midas Pro 1. My favorite!
its first time somebody tells me the 8004 is a super portable speaker - but well it always depends the perspective... :D
😂😂Small i think this is a big one great sound👍
this band is tight!!!!!
Looks clean, and sounds great. What more could you want? :) There's some really great gear out there. At the moment, I'm running EV but when I either upgrade or expand, I'll certainly be looking at RCF.
Thanks Jay! Good stuff!
the kick and snare sound incredible considering it's a small pa and it's outdoors
Thanks! Midas Pro 1 at FOH. Amazing console!
Jazz music is fantastic 👌👍
They are called “Cortez & Friends”. From central Illinois.
Love your videos as these rcf nx45s are the next speakers for us. Did you ever try the nx32s? If so how do they stand up to thier 15 inch brothers?
Hey Steven - actually I did audition the NX32’s. They were fantastic but the NX45’s are just beefier and I felt they could handle a dense mix a little better. The NX45’s are about 53-54 pounds so they are super easy to handle. Simply amazing tops! No regrets.... thanks for commenting!
Greetings!! Your set up is awesome, could you please teach us how you connect those subs from the mixer? As well as those main speakers
Sorry for the delayed response friend.... sure it is really simple. There are two ways. 1. You go straight out of the Left and Right Main output on the mixing board to the subs Input with mic cables. From there you go out of the Crossover outputs on the sub up to each Top Inputs. This applies the high pass filter to the Tops.
2. Is basically the same but from a stage box up on the stage. Mixer is connected to a stage box via Cat 5 / 6 cable. Then you go out the assigned Left and Right Main Outputs on the stagebox to the subs.... on out from there up to the tops.
There is a 3rd way and that is putting the subs on an Aux. Hence, the “Aux Fed Subs”. I use both methods depending on the application but for Aux Fed subs to be done correctly, you really need to know what you are doing. Hope this helps! Thanks for commenting!
a lot of balls in this pa how it should be!
Thanks! I could have really pushed it much harder but it was covering the audience quite well. Thanks for commenting!
wow ! this great sound, so clear !
Could you please ask the drummer if you know him or the sound engineer what snare drum is used for the jazz piece?
Thank's
Hi Chris - I was the sound engineer for this event. The bands name is “Courtez & Friends” and it is the one and only time I have worked with those guys. However, I do know the bass player so I might be able to figure out the type of snare the drummer uses. The drummer’s name is Courtez Banks located in central Illinois, U.S.
I will see what I can find. Thanks for commenting!
Hell, if white snake needs a new front man it looks like we found him! Haha sounded great….and that’s rare with cover bands!
Haha! Yeah the guy goes from country to Whitesnake... incredible!
Good band.
came for the review , stay for the music ..
First of all: Great sound! Did you check if the Limiter-LEDs came on somewhere on the Subs or Tops? Do you worry at all overdriving the speakers?
Great question! I have checked on many occasions and I have never seen RED on any of the meters on the back of the Tops or Subs. I purposely pushed the system to an uncomfortable volume and was blown away that I never hit the limiters. Totally amazing. I also use a Midas Pro 1 console and it is super warm and clean. Thanks for commenting!
hey man, I have a similar set up but went with the tt25a's as tops. I was intrigued by the monitors for the last band, what are they? I currently have the art 312's as monitors, the band seem super comfortable. Killer sound by the way, drums sound very good!
Nice! I’m sure the TT’s are fantastic. I mix on the TT6’s as well which are amazing. The monitors in the last band video are QSC K12’s. There is an Alto TS212 in front of the guitar player. I use three types of wedges: RCF HD32’s (from my workplace), QSC K12’s & Alto TS212’s. My favorites are the RCF wedges by far because of the FIR filtering. I had a choice between all new RCF wedges for my monitor rig or a new console so I went with a new console. I got a Midas Pro 1 with the DL153 stage boxes.
Thanks for commenting! Enjoy your rig!
OH MAN where can I get music from both of these bands??? They are friggin GREAT!
The first band is called “Cortez (the drummer) & friends. They are amazing musicians. You may be able to youtube them or google search them for more music.
The 2nd band is Spurs & Lace. They are no longer playing together. Three of them moved to Florida and play on the beach each week and the others have joined other bands. The guy on the left in the 2nd video has a band called “Innersiege”. They just released a new album not long ago. You can UA-cam search for them and find stuff on those guys. Thanks for commenting!
Just stumbled on this. Great info and actual demo of them in a real life situation. Was the guitar player at the end using a Helix or other modeler? His tone was good.
Hey Scott - Helix LT. His tone has improved a lot since this video. He actually has a band called, “Innersiege”. Straight up metal. I have mixed for that band many times as well and they play metalfests all over. Do a search for them and you will see. Yeah I actually bought a Helix LT for myself and love it. Thanks for commenting!
Here is a link to his band: ua-cam.com/video/y99p33ZXyuY/v-deo.html
Because this video, I got RCF 932 and SUB 705 set
Nice! I love the RCF stuff. I don't work for them but I do work for an audio company that uses RCF speakers so that's what I use. Enjoy!
Great sound, what settings on subs are you using, are you cutting everything below 50 on eq also?
I actually use the “Deep Punch” setting on the subs and I do not cut anything EQ wise on the subs when I am outdoors. Indoors? If there is a build up, which in my case is always around 60-63hz, I may dip that down to tame the low end. Sometimes the buildup frequency is lower, sometimes higher. Just depends on the room. I should clarify.... I use the main EQ for room changes and not the individual channels.
However, I use the high pass filter on the console on almost everything. Thanks for commenting!
A very good set up and sounds great. Please I want to know how many 12inch and 18inches active subwoofer do you use, what model mixer you use as well.thanks
The two tops (RCF NX45’s) have 15’s in them. One 15” woofer per top. I struggled in the decision process of going with 12” model vs. the 15” model but after hearing and using the 15’s, I had to go with those. It’s an amazing 54 pound powered box with “FIR” filters.
The subs are the RCF 8004’s and they have a single 18” speaker in each of them. The mixer is a Midas Pro 1 with two Midas DL 153 stage racks.
An expensive setup but it has paid for itself easily in one year. Thanks for commenting!
@@soundasylumlive4421 thanks very much sir I really appreciate you, and honestly I like your setup it sounds great
@@patomansvibration6521 - Thanks!
Great video!! Any idea if the new art 945 is superior to nx45, or the NX is still the king of it’s league?
Well it certainly has more power! I like it. I’m sure it probably sounds every bit as good. I have not heard it yet but I don’t need to... I would use it in a heart beat. I will say after doing side by side shootouts with composite boxes and Baltic Birch boxes, I think the Baltic Birch retains this Low Mid quality a bit better than the composite boxes. Will the public know? Doubtful. I say go for them!
Question here my friend. When it comes to subwoofer sound, where do they generate and deliver more bass on bare hard floor ground or grass dirt floor , just like you had them but without the pallet Jack's
Anytime you can get the subwoofer box to be in direct contact with a boundary like the ground, it will be best for dB performance. A bare hard floor is going to outperform in dB over the box being in the grass. That is because of the reflection aspect of it. Does it mean it will sound better? Not necessarily. If you are in the grass, chances are you don’t have to deal with a roof or walls either. That would give you a better idea what the system sounds like versus the system sound + what the room is doing to your system sound.
If I was a DJ, I would use boundary’s to couple the speakers together to generate free dB. In a reflective room with hard surfaces plus the floor, this will generate a lot of low end. However, this may or may not be what you need to do though. I try to set the low end for the type of music you are playing or mixing for and it usually works best that way.
Jesus Christ that white snake cover sounds hella solid
Thanks! Believe it or not they are a country band that went “Whitesnake” on everyone. 😂😂😂
Hi, I have the exact set up. My mixer is A&H qu-16 with AB168 snake. I'm using yamaha dzr15 as monitor. Can you share what eq settings on set up? Also what vocal effects you use and mic eq. Thanks
Main EQ is set FLAT. Vocal channel EQ is high passed to at least 180hz. Low EQ around 265hz with a medium “Q” to get some muffle out of the vocal. The rest is usually flat, but sometimes I would take some 2-4kHz out (slight dip), if I am inside in a poor acoustic room. That is it for vocals.
Vocal effects go like this..... Delay in slot 1, verb in 2, doubler in 3 and plate verb in 4 for snare. Select delay EQ and high pass it up to around 300hz. No need to have low information repeating. Low pass the top end down to around 3-4kHz. That way the delay repeats have a softer effect rather than an exact duplicate of the original vocal. On the QU 16, how many effects can you run? 2 or 4? I’m super familiar with the QU32 so it has 4 effects slots.
All mics are standard Shure SM58’s and beta 58’s. The male singer in the video is using a Audix OM 5. Works well with his voice. Drums have Sennheiser evolution e604’s on toms. Shure beta 52a for kick.I also use a Sennheiser e902 that I love. e604 for snare top, sm 57 for bottom snare. Shure sm57 for guitar. I also use a Sennheiser e609 on guitar as well. Radial DI for bass. The Sennheiser e902 on bass is great as well.
Well, I hope this helps a bit. Thanks for commenting!
Excelente banda. Whitesnake cover
Thanks!
I have a question about the power consumption. Is it possible to plug the whole system into one socket? Or has it too mich watts and will switch the fuse? Thanks :)
I think it is possible to run the two tops and two subs on a 20 amp circuit. But not much else. Adding the monitor wedges would be questionable and of course, adding the bands guitar and bass amplifiers would more than likely take it over the top. It also depends on how hard you drive the system. Once you get into clipping on a system it all changes.... square wave... it’s like a dead short.
How I ran my system was like this: I asked for a minimum of TWO 20 amp circuits. I split the PA down the middle....The main TOP speaker and one SUB plus two monitor wedges were on one circuit. Then repeated that for the other side. From there, I would add the bass amp to one side and the guitar to the other side.... lights were all LED so they got plugged into whichever side had less instrument amps on the circuit.
I never had any issues doing it that way. So to answer your question.... yes, you could put the two tops and both subs on one 20 amp circuit if you needed to and as long as that circuit hasn’t been tripped a bunch of times (wearing it out), you should be fine. If not, bring long extension cords I guess.... Lol. Hope this helps!
Would those 2 subs be thighter in punch and meybe 1 db louder when stacked to eachother or like in this video compared to 1 8006as wich is this but in 1 box just... im considering between those two, actualy 8005's if i go single driver sub compared to dual sub...
Yeah when you couple subs, you gain 3 dB for free. Add another box, gain another 3 dB and so on..... I went with the 8004’s due to portability. Some venues were just too small to take a bunch of subs in or it wasn’t necessary. The 8006 is essentially two 8004’s connected. If you open up an 8006, there is a dividing wall in the center. As far as the 8005 goes, I have never used one or heard one. The larger 21” driver doesn’t really appeal to me for some reason but I am sure it will do just fine. With the subs you mentioned, you are set either way. Enjoy!
Just wondering wouldn’t the RCF nx24a column tops be a better choice over the 2way nx45’s ? For long through sound
It is possible. The NX45’s are 90 x 50 and the NX24’s are 100 x 30 with the NX24’s designed more like a column speaker. The best way to know would be to test the two. Most folks don’t have that luxury but I am certain someone here on YT is demoing these speakers. The NX24’s didn’t exist when I did this video so the new NX45’s were new off the shelf and the best thing available by RCF besides moving up to the TT line.
If I still worked for the audio group I was employed by, I would definitely demo as many RCF speakers as possible. In any case, both speakers would throw quite well but the column speaker NX24 may do it better. Not sure though. The cost difference would be interesting to know as well. Hope this helps a little. Thanks for commenting!
Question my friend. I my my regular set 2 subs and 2 loudspeaker. I just got a third subwoffer that I want to use with the 2 subs on the front. How do I connect that one 🤔
If your current configuration is Left and Right subs in stereo, whether there are separated or not, you just have to pick one of the subs “Link” output. It doesn’t matter which side. You just have to have a way to get it connected.
In a mono setup, as you know, you just daisy chain the speakers together. Do your subs have a crossover built into them or do your Tops have a “High Pass Filter” setting?
Got questions here please. I notice u have the 2 subs on the front on top of some wood pallets, why is so and is it better to sit them on the bare floor. 2nd question, if I have an extra 15 inch speaker ,can I add that to my subwoofer to add extr bass on the front floor , do they produce good bass if I put them on the floor
Hey J - the grass was damp when I arrived and there were some pallets there so I used them to put the sub on. I always try to couple the sub together because I only have two of them and you gain free dB when you do. So the more subs you couple together, the more dB you get out of them.
The biggest reason why they are coupled is it eliminates the “comb filter” that is present when you set the subs Left & Right. It is easy to hear the comb filter when you walk across the listening area. You will hear the low end strong in one spot and then you take a step or two to the right (or left), and the volume drops way down, so you take another step or two and the low end comes back. These are cancellations occurring and if I happen to be mixing in a cancellation zone there would be no doubt I would be trying to make up for it, therefore “goosing” up the low end in the non-cancellation spots making it sound way too bass heavy. You want to avoid that.
On another thread here, a guy told me that the subs in the middle doesn’t have a very good look. Well, in a perfect world, these subs would be tucked away underneath a stage and you wouldn’t even see them. When you are told to set up in a field, you do what will give you the best audio result, not necessarily the best optic view. This was a country / rock party, not a wedding or corporate event so everyone want to have fun.
You can add more subs but generally you want them to be the same make and model. BUT.....if it adds to the overall mix and sounds good, go for it.
Putting subs on solid ground / floor is probably best because it boundary loads which means you get more dB, 3dB to be exact, add another sub, 3 more dB and so on..... stick them against the wall, more dB, in a corner? Lots more dB because now you are corner loading...
Well I hope this helps a little! Let me know how it turns out!
Hey. Amazing setup, very tidy. Can I ask a couple of questions please? I am getting a new pa and I'm looking at a pair of NX32a and a pair of 8004a. 99% of the time we are indoors, Wedding gigs, max 250 people. We would have maybe 5 gigs per year where we'd need to crank it for a rock night, maybe 350 people, again indoors. Live band, drums, bass guitar, guitar and vocals. Do you think this setup will suit? And second question. There is a new NX932a speaker on the way, its horn is 100 x 70 compared to the NX32 which is 90 x 60. Which would you recommend or what would be the difference? Do you think I should get the new NX932 over the NX32? Thank you!
Hey thanks for commenting. It has been several years since I worked at the sound company I was employed at. When Covid hit, many of us were laid off. It was two years before I was asked back but I had already moved on and moved to a different state. With that said, I AM familiar with the NX32 boxes and they are amazing. I actually owned a pair of the NX45’s and loved them very much. I worked with a bunch of the RCF products back then.... full size line arrays... TT55, TT33’s, TT36’s, TT6’s (stupid good) and all the way down to the ART series and Evox super small setups.... I loved all of them.
With the new 932’s coming out, at first glance, I like the specs. More power.... will help with headroom... and on the surface it looks like the 932’s may be a better option. Next would be, how do they sound compared to the NX32’s? My gut feeling is they are very similar. One is a Baltic Birch box and the other a composite box material. They weigh less than 5 lbs of each other... no big deal there. I have done a shootout on the NX32’s vs. the composite box equivalent the HD32’s (now discontinued I think). They sounded so much alike except the low mid frequencies. There is something cool about the Baltic Birch that helps keep the low mids together better. The tonality is just better. Will the average person hear it? Very doubtful. So I don’t know if this helps but honestly, I may go with the more affordable speakers and get busy. It won’t be long and you will be upgrading again. I couldn’t believe how fast I paid my system off along with my $10,000 Midas Pro 1 console and stage boxes. You are on the right track! Go full speed ahead with whatever decision you make. Best of luck!
what about using the NX35a with the 8004s? I thougth a 12 would be better with an 18 for vocals.
Yeah I did do my research on this but ultimately an RCF rep that visited our shop convinced me to stick with the 15’s. For one, they are SPL rated higher than the NX32. The driver components are a bit beefier. The vertical horn dispersion is less on the NX 45’s by 10 degrees on the NX 32’s. That means I don’t have to tilt the 45’s downward as much as I would on the NX32’s indoors. The idea that vocals are better through 12’s used to be a real thing. With today’s speakers and processing, I’m not sure it is that audible in the context of a dense mix going on. However, it is just personal preference for me that I went with the 45’s with the 15” woofer in there. I would have gladly used the NX32’s any day. I have even used the HD32’s with great success but that is getting to the lower end of speakers I would use for a loud rock band. I could tell I could only go so loud before compression or limiters kicked in on the box. Don’t be afraid to try new things.... I’m blown away by the advances in speaker boxes now days. Thanks for commenting!
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Love your videos, Jerry! This sounds fantastic. I just bought your book for Kindle.
I'm in the market for quality PA speakers for home full band jam sessions (10'x30' room basement with a low 7' ceiling). I would just control levels from Studio One on my PC. (Maybe small gigs eventually as well).
These RCF's sound great, though I'm sure are overkill for me. Would you have any suggestions on what size quality active PA speakers to look for? I use an e-kit and would definitely want something that thumps and handles the kick/bass/etc. (with some headroom to spare). I'm thinking 10" or 12" tops with a single 15" or 18" subwoofer? Maybe RCF has a scaled down version of this?
Also...I'm curious...on the Whitesnake tune there's a part where heavy reverb kicks in on the vocals. Do you know how those vocal effects are being triggered live?
Sorry, this a lot. Thank you for the great videos and great information!
Bob
Hey Bob, thanks for picking up the book! I hope there are some things in there that can help you get your PA sounding great so you can put together a killer mix. Well, RCF just makes some great stuff. They have smaller versions compared to my rig. There really isn’t anything they make that sounds bad. It all sounds really good but the smaller systems can be hurt more easily if you ask it to do what it is not designed to do. For example, if I mixed this band through a EVOX system and tried to make it sound the way I did in this video, it would hurt it if not, blow up some drivers. However, at a lower volume, it may do fine. Learning to mix and eliminating harsh frequencies and mud can allow you to push into the system more and not hurt it. Hope that makes sense.
As far as the vocal effects go in the video. I mixed these bands on my Midas Pro 1 by the way..... I take a vocal delay and leave it unassigned from the left right on the console. This takes away the first hard repeat. I then go out of the delay into a reverb and blend the two. It adds delay onto the reverb tail making it sound smoother. No constant delay repeats. Now there are times where you want to do hard repeats but in this song, I chose not too.
I also EQ effects.... I will apply a high pass on the delay up to 300-400 Hz and a low pass on the top around 3-4K... just depends. So it looks a rounded hump on an EQ. You don’t want to repeat low frequencies and hi frequencies.... just middle frequencies. These are adjustable of course and you just have to play around and see what sounds good to you. I don’t EQ too much on the reverb.... maybe a little.
As far as activating the effects live..... they are on a FX Return. You can throw delays from Returns or Sends. Whatever is easier for you or sounds better to you. I have used both. I also use Tap Tempo to set the milliseconds for throws which is usually 1/2 time on a normal tempo.
Hope this helps!
Edit: I should probably clarify that even though the delay is unassigned the Reverb isn’t. It gets assigned to the Left Right Main on the console.
@@soundasylumlive4421 Thanks for the detailed response! I'm sure I'll learn a lot from your book and will put it to good use.
I was looking at the RCF NX-32A (12" version of your 45A). Generally speaking, would you expect I run into sound problems in a smaller place (like my 11'x32' basement)? I know these speakers are designed to "throw sound" long distances...though I imagine they'd still sound great at a lower volume with all the instruments through them if mixed right for the room (I'll also be putting acoustic paneling up).
Also...does your book touch on minimizing feedback? I'd like to try and prevent this too. Thanks again, Jerry!
@@BOBopalooza The NX32’s are a little brother to the NX45’s... basically a 15” to a 12”. I could do the same with the 32’s. They are a great speaker. It still is overkill for a basement but you would have high end audio that will not run out of headroom. Boxes in the ART series would still be great for basement work. May save some cash.
Yes, in the book I talk about different ways to combat feedback potential. Singers that stay behind the speakers and give you the gain up front from their voices is the best strategy BUT you will always run into that “whisper” singer who is used to singing out in the backyard under a tree with no competing noise that also doesn’t keep the mic close to her mouth so it becomes combat audio quick. I talk about some things that will definitely help. Having great speakers where they are tuned good helps immensely and the RCF’s are great for that.
Hi, do you think ×2 8004's with ×4 art 935's will work well? Thanks
The 8004’s are killer! 4 of the 935’s may not play well together. They have a 100 x 60 degree pattern on the high frequency. 100 degrees horizontally with two boxes covers very nicely. So unless you want the additional two boxes for the sides, I wouldn’t fool with them. You would have to splay them apart by a lot and even then I don’t know if that will help more or cause destructive interference. My NX45’s shot out to the sides really well.
Hey Jerry I bought your book and just got it today and love it. Question? I have a pair of RCF Nx 932A speakers with a Yamaha DXS 18 XFL sub with DSp. From the main l&r outs on my stage box mixer I go to the subs then from the sub outs I go to each RCF. The Sub has a built in crossover which I have set to 90 Hz. Would you still recommend a dbx driverack to set the RCF speakers Eq? I have a rta analyzer app on both my iPhone and iPad to notch out monitors and also have a 31 channel graphic eq on the mains. Thank you!
Hey Rick! Awesome! Thanks so much. In this case I do not think I would use a Drive Rack. You would be adding more A/D conversion that isn't necessary. The only possible benefit is if you needed electronic delay to delay the sub relative to the top or vice versa. The only way to know would be to measure the system with SMAART. When I got my RCF Rig, I measured the heck out of everything and there was no way I could get a better phase response, magnitude response or alignment delay than what the manufacturer already achieved. It literally was a point and shoot system that was fantastic right out of the box. So I would skip the driverack for the main setup. I really don't think it will help. Now if the Yamaha Subs have electronic delay option on them, that may be helpful if you knew for sure the subs needed delayed compared to the tops. Only way to know is to measure using a program like SMAART to do that. So leave your MAIN EQ on your console FLAT to start with and then as you play some good music you know, make adjustments to the MAIN EQ if you really need to. Outdoors you shouldn't need to do anything. Indoors, it would almost always be low and low mid frequencies that build up due to the room. I think I went over it pretty good in the book. "Ringing out the room" or "Tuning the system in the Room"....
Hey, I hope this helps! Reach out anytime!
Thanks for your help, Jerry appreciate it very much. I’ve only been in this mixing game for about 4 years and as you said in your book it’s a lifetime process. It never ends! The only good thing is being a musician first and the good Lord giving me a pretty good set of ears. I’m not being biased here but of all the systems I’ve mixed on QSC, JBL, Yamaha, EV and I agree with you that the RCF’s sound the best right out the gate. My first RCF boxes were the Evox 8’s, annd still have them. My neighbor would come over and play his Taylor acoustic through them and was amazed what they sounded like. I was still working at that time and got up at 3 am and it was like 9:30 and told him that I was going to have to put up a Motel 6 sign “We’ll keep the light on for ya”. Lol getting deeper into your book, thanks again!
What are using for monitor wedges. Great mix BTW!!!
Thanks! I used 4 QSC K12’s most of the time but here I may have used an Alto and maybe a Mackie Thump as well. I was going to purchase a killer monitor rig but decided to upgrade my mixing console to a Midas Pro 1 with stage boxes. I do not regret doing that. Lol
best sound quality ive ever heard. whats your mixer? thanks
Hi Joel - thank you! I use a Midas Pro 1 along with the Midas DL 153 stage boxes. I really like it.
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@@joellumanglas6497 I used to use an Allen & Heath QU32 and it was a fantastic sounding board as well.
@@soundasylumlive4421 thanks I'm planning to get a set of rcf and i wanted to have a reliable and good mixer. thanks
Hey man, sounds good! Just wanted to ask what was micd up on the kit?
Thank You! For drums I use Sennheiser e604's for the Toms and Floor Tom(s), I also use them on Snare Top & Bottom but lately I have been using a cheaper Nady mic (DM70's) for Snare Top. It just seems to bring the snare out for some reason.... Crazy because it is a cheap mic.
I also use either a Shure Beta 52a for kick or the Sennheiser e902. Depends on the style of the band. Classic Rock... beta 52a. Metal... I go for e902.
Guitars - I use Sennheiser e609 or Shure SM57's. In this clip the guitar player used a "Helix" footpedal so he was totally direct here.
Vocal mics are Shure 58's, beta 58's and the singer here is using an Audix OM5. No overheads here. When I have 4 vocal mics across the front and the drummer is close by, I usually don’t bother with overheads. So much cymbal makes it way to the vocal mics anyways.... overheads add a ton of high frequency sibilance that it can be overwhelming. So the vocal mics rule the mix. Meaning, I have to set them where they are loud and clear.... maybe not so much loud but above the instruments. From there I ask myself, “what needs to come up next..... I then build the mix from there.
Now on a big stage, I mic everything.... thanks for commenting! Hope this helps!
@@soundasylumlive4421 oh nice! Thank you for the detailed response, it really does help. I was wondering if there were overheads in the mix somewhere. Even tho I couldn’t spot any I thought there may have been a chance some were there but thanks for clearing that up. The cymbals come thru nicely without being to harsh. Good call for holding back on the overheads, you definitely know what you’re doing. Awesome stuff! Keep it up!! 👍🏼
Hello i have question please. First, what kind of effect you have on your vocals channel and what agreat vocals you have 👏👏👏. Another question , when i place my subwoofers right under my loadspeakers , when i walk around to do sound check i found most of the bass goes towards the sides left and right and less bass infront of the crow is . So the question is, does the subwoofer needs to be facing the front all the times or can i move then and face them side ways becuase oviously they dont have mids or highs and the bass is moslty by vibrations waves
Hi J - I use a PLATE reverb for vocals and drums. There is delay involved in this as you can hear. I also go out of my delay and into the reverb so the delay ends up on the tail of the verb . On a digital console, you could select your reverb bus and then add the delay return into it as needed to get the right amount. Also..... effects usually need EQ’d as well. Especially Delay. I high pass and low pass delay. High pass up to 300 hz or so and low pass down to 3 kHz or so. Plate verbs, I EQ very little but if there is an annoying frequency on the tail, I will find it and make a cut there.
About the subs.... you bring up a very good observation! If indoors, the room is probably causing a lot of this. All I can say is, move the subs around and see if you get any improvement. A lot of times it seems the low end goes everywhere except where you want it. So if turning the subs sideways gives you better coverage out front..... turn them sideways. Have you ever tried to Center Couple them? I do it as much as I can but some venues, I can’t do it that way. It eliminates the comb filter inherent in split Left & Right sub placement. Keep experimenting! Hope this helps!
with art 912a and 8003 AS II can I get a similar result? Thank you!
Sure! Especially indoors where boundaries can help with volume.... also with low end build up, which may not be desirable. Outdoors... I would watch the meters on the console and of course your speaker boxes. Yellow is fine... even a bouncing RED occasionally. I would definitely mix on it!
questions please.what is the decibles you handling here as far as loudness around the crow ?
when I set up my pa system and I play music thought phone or pc prerecorded music , I get it nice and clear up to 90 decibles or more abound 15 yards audience area,, but when I play the live band which is 3 people , 2 guitar, one bass and 2 vocals the decibles loudness is about 78 tops where crow is
So my main question is, why is the prerecorded music is louder than my live band , m I not mixing the band correctly? should both prerecorded and live band be the same decibles loudness around the crow ? I want to also say that the live band is pure acoustic sounds not distortion or anything ,no drums either , clear vocals with some hall effects that's it and the bass is pretty loud and same as prerecorded music
Sorry for the delay J. Life is crazy at the moment. Sounds to me like it may be a gain structure thing. What kind of mixer are you using? I’m not sure how loud I run in dB... probably 90-95. My ears never ring the next day if that helps.
Hi! Which mixer is of better use for the rcf active boxes, please? Thx in advance! Regards
Any mixer you can afford will work with this system. Any system for that matter. However, I will say some mixing consoles sound better than others. My very first digital console was a Presonus StudioLive 16. I mixed on it for 4 years and loved it. During that time I had a different PA and was learning how to set up the speaker system to it’s best potential starting point so I could mix on it. I didn’t spend much time learning how to mix then because I knew my mix depended on how the PA was set up to mix on. Big Difference! That led to me writing my first book on “How to Make Your Bar PA Kick Butt”. It is on Amazon now.
I then made an upgrade to an Allen & Heath QU32 console. Wow! What a difference in sound quality. My mix instantly sounded more Analog. Very warm tone. I used that mixer for a few years and finally made the jump to the RCF system. I also sold my old PA and mixer and then upgraded my mixer to a Midas Pro 1 with the Midas DL 153 stageboxes. Wow! Another huge improvement. From there, I really dove into mixing and here we are!
So honestly, you have to mix on what you can afford but the lowest I would go would be an Allen & Heath QU series, SQ series is fantastic, Midas MR series 16 or 32. My all time favorites are Allen & Heath DLive and Midas Pro series consoles. Very expensive though.
Hope that helps! Here is a link to my book: www.amazon.com/How-Make-Your-Kick-Butt-ebook/dp/B083HWK8KS/ref=sr_1_1?crid=JLLEYPH9MLA4&keywords=How+to+make+your+bar+pa+kick+butt&qid=1671479301&s=books&sprefix=how+to+make+your+bar+pa+kick+butt%2Cstripbooks%2C179&sr=1-1
Great Sound! Btw whats the name of the band? They sound huge !
First band is Cortez & Friends. The second band is called, “Spurs & Lace”. Thanks for commenting!
Nice video what’s the second bands name they are good on point 👌🏾🔥
Spurs & Lace. It is my wife’s country band that likes to go Whitesnake on the crowd from time to time.
SoundAsylumLive nice thanks and the sound is amazing clean hitting hard I own few rcf products and fbt keep up nice work post more video bsafe blessings ✌🏾❤️
@@mrproblemchild88able I am hoping to do some more videos soon. Got derailed a little bit with life's little fire's popping up... Lol Thanks for commenting!
OMG...wow that Whitesnake cover...wow
So much fun to mix!
As you get old, beer belly becomes the best guitar and bass strap/stand of all times
also how did you get the tops that high? it is hard to put on a pole on that height
They are on Ultimate Hydraulic Assist Stands. They go fairly high and are super stable. Put speaker box on pole and release the knob and the hydraulic pressure allows you to raise them up with one arm/hand easily. At the end of the gig.... pull speaker back down compressing the pole back into the cylinder and tighten it back up in the loaded position for the next gig.
Is there a wedge speaker from this company that can be a small subwoofer and regular speaker all In one for a personal Monitor? Or do you need to buy multiple wedge speakers for that? By the way this band kicks ass
Thanks Tdog! I don’t think they have anything like that BUT some of their wedges can reproduce plenty of low end. Yeah the typical way would be a top of some sort over a sub. Here is a link to RCF if you want to take a look: www.rcf.it/en
May I know the name of both bands to follow them, please? They sound awesome! 4:25 min and 12:00 min.
First band was Cortez & Friends based out of the Peoria, IL area. Try to do a search on them. I only worked with them that one time. Great musicians!.
Second band was "Spurs & Lace" based out of Peoria, IL as well. The drummer and male singer live in Florida now and perform on the beach. The girl on the right in the video is my wife. So the band is no longer playing together. Thanks for commenting!
Queation here please. My friend has a set of each box containing 2 15s power speakers in each box . Now these standard speakers on your video are mounted on stands with an adequate high for distribution of sound. my friend has his box of the dual 15s speakers basically on the floor because it's heavier and it is larger to mount on the stands. My question what is the different or what are these dual speakers use for and is my friend using them as they should or do they have to be elevated norther what
Yeah that is the problem with older speakers. If they are a speaker box with two 15’s in them, then the have to be older ones. Most likely a hazard to try and pole mount that type of box so it is better to be safe than sorry. The newer boxes are so much lighter and do better up in the air. They perform better that way (especially outside) because the coverage is better. Inside a venue with low ceilings that may not be the best placement because the sound will spray all over the ceiling. The ground stack 15’s may do better sitting on some subs. It is hard to say. Hope this helps! Great question!