Curiosity teardown: smart plug

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  • Опубліковано 6 лип 2023
  • Another Dollarama find! This time it's a Sylvania SmartPlug.
    I assume it's a clearance item.
    This is another of those IoT thingies that refuses to work without signing onto some app and letting a random cloud server take control.
    Clearly I'm not going to allow that, but it's still interesting to look inside and see what makes it tick.
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  • @andrewbeasley
    @andrewbeasley Рік тому +3

    Ah the click of death - obviously built by Iomega :-) Using grips as a hammer will get you stood in the naughty corner and only bread for tea (no jam)!

  • @englishrupe01
    @englishrupe01 Рік тому +5

    Very interesting teardown, thanks. And, yes, there does look to be a burn mark in the case corresponding to the damaged component. Some superglue and return it for refund ;-)

    • @erg0centric
      @erg0centric 11 місяців тому

      If only Dollarama accepted returns.

  • @frankowalker4662
    @frankowalker4662 Рік тому +5

    I have 3 similar devices, but they came with an RF remote control. There are 6 buttons two for each device, On and Off. No app needed. 👍

    • @pileofstuff
      @pileofstuff  Рік тому +4

      That's the better way to do it.

    • @309electronics5
      @309electronics5 Рік тому

      Much simpler and more secure. Remember the S in iot stands for secure and the I stands for I will spy on you. Convert it or use a rf based one and then boom, no weird cloud spying on you anymore. We are already spied on enough with our apps, windows, google, Microsoft and when you have iot with cloud server also a random server somewhere in a different country also spying on you. Rf switches for ever! Its just simple and genius even rc cars use rf they dont need a weird app to control it.

  • @zebo-the-fat
    @zebo-the-fat Рік тому +3

    It didn't want to be opened!

  • @frenchcreekvalley
    @frenchcreekvalley Рік тому +1

    A while ago I needed a way to include a Current transformer into a small package and to add a circuit to its output that would send a (wired, not wireless) signal to an Arduino whenever a woodworking shop power tool was turned on.
    The idea was to have one of these for each power tool that was connected to a dust collection system, The Aduino would know which machine it was and then open and close appropriate "Blast Gate(s) and turn the dust collector on.
    So I bought one of those smart plugs (similar but not identical to yours). I had t work pretty hard to shoehorn all the components in, but it works. I had never planned to actually use the "smart plug" feature, by the way.

  • @TBL_stevennelson
    @TBL_stevennelson Рік тому +3

    I feel like the box could be a little smaller. It looks like all the other ones I have.
    I hope its cheap

    • @MikeOxlong-
      @MikeOxlong- Рік тому

      These are sold at the dollarama dollar stores across Canada. Seems they received a massive overstock shipment of ledvance/SYLVANIA product and are offloading it for next to nothing at their stores. This gear is surprisingly good quality and is being retailed for peanuts!
      As for its size - it’s much better quality than the typical garbage you get nowadays, and they’re using name brand components of a decent size to ensure it can survive putting out a full 15 amp (or 1800 watt) load without overheating…

  • @eDoc2020
    @eDoc2020 Рік тому +2

    Did you notice the relay ratings? 15A 125v or 16A 250V. Usually the current rating is higher at lower voltages, here it doesn't make sense. For that reason I would be very hesitant to run it anywhere close to 15 amps.

    • @pileofstuff
      @pileofstuff  Рік тому +1

      I wouldn't trust this type of device with more than half of it's rating, just as a matter of course.

    • @richardbrobeck2384
      @richardbrobeck2384 Рік тому +1

      @@pileofstuff for sure I would use this with maybe some lamps something low wattage use !

  • @devttyUSB0
    @devttyUSB0 Рік тому +2

    JFYI, i too dont buy in to the 'cloud assisted' IoT devices that turn in to expensive paper weights after a year, but a *lot* of them, like this plug most probably, are controllable via free and Open Source ESPHome BT Relays and/or cheap Zigbee/Z-Wave USB sticks and open source software like Home Assistant. You can make use of these devices with out submitting to the cloud hive mind. ;)

    • @MikeOxlong-
      @MikeOxlong- Рік тому

      100%. You can communicate with these openly, and like mentioned don’t need a proprietary home base or internet connection for them to work…

    • @soundspark
      @soundspark 11 місяців тому +1

      I got a cheap smart plug from the supermarket, they put in a Realtek controller so I couldn't flash it to ESPHome.

  • @sparkyprojects
    @sparkyprojects Рік тому +1

    One way i found to get that sort of case open is to grip them diagonally in a vice and gently squeeze until i hear cracking, change to different diagonals to break both sides ;)
    (diagonal from top left to bottom right etc)

    • @Steve_Coates
      @Steve_Coates Рік тому +1

      I have a couple of plugs I opened that way, Araldite and car filler proved useful for making good afterwards. The ultrasonic welded ones don't surrender easily.

    • @pileofstuff
      @pileofstuff  Рік тому

      Unfortunately, I don't have any pliers (or a vice) big enough to get this thing into diagonally.
      I did try hammering on it in that orientation, though, with no significant result.

  • @pleasecho2
    @pleasecho2 Рік тому

    Dremel, Cut off wheel - Done and fun

  • @snakezdewiggle6084
    @snakezdewiggle6084 Рік тому +1

    Ransom ware by any other name !
    Big Clive recently had a similar issue.
    . ;)

  • @es1951
    @es1951 11 місяців тому

    i wonder where the shunt resistor is to get power flow

  • @shagreobe
    @shagreobe Рік тому +1

    After all of the dark (good) beers, lager would be like water

  • @bobsoft
    @bobsoft 11 місяців тому +1

    FYI- Dollar tree will exchange items with a receipt. Dollarama will not refund/exchange anything.

    • @pileofstuff
      @pileofstuff  11 місяців тому

      Handy to know.
      Though Dollar Tree rarely has any interesting electronics these days.

  • @estuardomarroquin9201
    @estuardomarroquin9201 10 місяців тому

    Hola, tengo el mismo dispositivo pero no puedo agragarlo en la aplicacion, me puedes ayudar?

  • @adam850
    @adam850 Рік тому +1

    I wonder if Home Assistant can talk to these without logging in.

    • @pileofstuff
      @pileofstuff  Рік тому

      Dunno. I suppose it's possible, but I haven't spent enough time with HA to figure out that level of things yet.

    • @adam850
      @adam850 Рік тому +1

      @@pileofstuff You'll need a Bluetooth dongle. I am running HA on a RasPi and it talk to Bluetooth devices. If I can find one of those cheap I should try it.

    • @MikeOxlong-
      @MikeOxlong- Рік тому

      Yep, you can use an iPad as a home base (and no internet connection is required)…

  • @MikeOxlong-
    @MikeOxlong- Рік тому

    Just fyi, like the led the app is only used for initial setup - to allow you to facilitate connecting the device to the smart home appliance or control module of your choice. Once done you not only don’t ever use the app again, you can delete it. These things don’t spy on you… Just your imagination running wild my friend…

  • @johndii2194
    @johndii2194 Рік тому +1

    That's my kind of Beer.

    • @pileofstuff
      @pileofstuff  Рік тому

      There's a beer out there for everyone's taste!

  • @simondella6761
    @simondella6761 Рік тому +1

    Your Canada's answer to Big Clive Lol

    • @Steve_Coates
      @Steve_Coates Рік тому

      Not a good comparison, Clive doesn't care what he drinks as long as it has alcohol in it.

  • @sh91899
    @sh91899 Місяць тому +1

    Are these power relays typically double pole double throw?

    • @pileofstuff
      @pileofstuff  Місяць тому

      There is no reason for them to be, but I suspect if DPDT relays are less expensive they might use those.

    • @sh91899
      @sh91899 Місяць тому

      I’m curious if it’s safer with DPDT if neutral is disconnected along with hot. I’m EE but not edu in the high power side.

    • @pileofstuff
      @pileofstuff  Місяць тому

      @@sh91899 Assuming the outlet you are plugged into is wired properly, then there should be no potential on the neutral when the hot is disconnected.
      Of course, that assumption may be problematic...

  • @dtec30
    @dtec30 Рік тому

    the clicking cold be pairing mode

    • @pileofstuff
      @pileofstuff  Рік тому

      Not according to the limited information in the manual.

    • @dtec30
      @dtec30 Рік тому

      @@pileofstuff teah once you said you blitzed on of the parts on the board .....

  • @erikburman530
    @erikburman530 Рік тому

    I’m thinking repurposed surplus Bud Light.

    • @pileofstuff
      @pileofstuff  Рік тому

      It's got a lot more flavour than that.

  • @bill7448
    @bill7448 Рік тому

    Did you notice that you plugged in in backwards? (L to N and N to L because you left out the ground pin)

    • @pileofstuff
      @pileofstuff  Рік тому

      Shouldn't make any practical difference.

  • @tenminutetokyo2643
    @tenminutetokyo2643 Рік тому

    DOOD!

  • @Throckmorton.Scribblemonger
    @Throckmorton.Scribblemonger Рік тому +1

    Might as well drink Bud Light; they're giving it away for free.

    • @pileofstuff
      @pileofstuff  Рік тому

      Sometimes a guy has to step out of his comfort zone.
      But I doubt I'll be taking this particular step again

  • @TheUnofficialMaker
    @TheUnofficialMaker Рік тому +1

    another tax write off...

  • @Steve_Coates
    @Steve_Coates Рік тому +3

    That looks awfully like a skid mark inside the casing, possibly your spudgering skills are not the guilty party. p.s. while not a lager drinker I would shun any beer brewed with rice.

    • @pileofstuff
      @pileofstuff  Рік тому

      It was an experiment.

    • @Steve_Coates
      @Steve_Coates Рік тому +1

      @@pileofstuff I trust you washed your mouth out with a real beer afterwards. I'm just debating the Chocolate stout or the Ruby porter as my post prandial treat or possibly both.

  • @dalton6722
    @dalton6722 11 місяців тому

    Promo_SM