I had thorns and briers but I got help and turned full circle in my alcohol and now read my Bible every day I have my trials and tribulations temptations I know God will never leave me or forsake me
I once fell away from the faith for 9 long years living in apostasy, sin, and willful rebellion against God. I thought I had fallen to the point of no return. However, God in His mercy chastised me to bring me back to fellowship with Him and here I am today. That was 31 years ago, but God has been gracious to me ever since. God's chastisement was first punitive, then restorative - Hebrews 12:5-11, Job 5:17-18. I am literally a former living example of Hebrews 6:4-8, Hebrews 10:26-27, and John 15:2,6. Of course, the above mentioned passages have no doubt been hijacked by Calvinists/Lordship Salvation people and Arminian/Lordship Salvation people to falsely teach that those who willfully fall away from God and live in apostasy, sin, and rebellion "were never saved to begin with" (Calvinist view) based upon a twisted interpretation of Luke 8:6-7/Luke 8:13-14, just to name a few or that the person "will lose their salvation and go to hell" - (Arminian view). Both views are wrong of course as Calvinism and Arminianism are opposite sides of the same coin. Falling away will no doubt incur God's chastisement upon the person and the person will also suffer other unpleasant earthly consequences, but losing one's salvation is not one of them.
Me too…similar story. I fell into sin and God in His mercy brought me back. He never gave up on me but I did suffer the consequences of my rebellion. Rightfully so. I appreciate your comment and summarizing Calvinism and Arminians. I always knew I was saved. Nobody could tell me I wasn’t before I fell away.
What lead to you falling away? Did you feel like you lost the Holy Spirit during that time? Did your mind seem like it was reprobate with sinful thoughts and desires and no interest in the things of God? How did you come to being restored?
@@travisstolcis3056 I suffered from severe OCD and have had it since childhood, but back during those years there were hardly any books available to the public on OCD. I knew something was wrong with me, but I couldn't put my finger on it nor did I know what my disorder was called. My worst OCD panic attack occurred shortly after my mother's death where the anxiety and panic lasted for almost 2 years. I prayed about it, others prayed for me, I saw psychiatrists and psychologists, both secular and Christian, took meds, but to no avail. My therapists never diagnosed me with OCD, and never mentioned that term to me at all. I did not know that I had OCD until the first book available to the public was written by a psychiatrist back in 1989. Later, other books were written and published by psychologists specializing in the treatment of OCD. To this day, I still have OCD which still comes and goes and waxes and wanes. This disorder will be with me for the rest of my life. It was a living hell for me where no one could help me. I went to my church seeking help, but no one could help me. Eventually everyone in my church got tired of seeing me in the deplorable mental state that I was in and eventually pushed me off to one side to suffer alone. This included the youth fellowship leader who was cold and insensitive to me. The anxiety and panic continued and eventually I snapped and left the church. I turned my back on God and cursed Him and even destroyed my Bible. I had become severely disillusioned, discouraged, and angry at God because of my mental condition and at Christians in my church because no one could help me no matter what, but just pushed me off to one side to suffer alone. I fell into willful apostasy, sin, and rebellion against God for 9 long years. I had sinful thoughts, lustful desires, hate, anger, etc, you name it for 9 long years. However, at the 9 year mark of my apostasy and rebellion against God, He chastised me through a paranormal experience and brought me back to fellowship with Him and here I am today. That was 32 years ago, but God has been gracious to me ever since. God's chastisement was first punitive, then restorative - Job 5:17-18, Hebrews 12:5-11. Of course, if I were to share my testimony before a group of Calvinists/Lordship Salvation people or Arminian/Lordship Salvation people, the response would be obvious. I would easily be dismissed and written off by Calvinists/Lordshippers as an "unsaved false professor with non saving faith" based on their gross misunderstanding and eisegesis of Luke 8:6/Luke 8:13, John 15:2,6, 1 Corinthians 9:27, 2 Corinthians 13:5, 1 John 2:19 just to name a few. Arminian/Lordship people would no doubt conclude that I had "lost my salvation and can't get it back" based on their misunderstanding of such passages like Hebrews 6:4-8, Hebrews 10:26-27, Hebrews 10:38-39, John 15:2,6, Revelation 3:5, etc.
Awesome teaching brother! Thank you! I needed to hear this, as coming out of a Lordship salvationist church, that my hubby and I have been attending for a year. He was always quoting from Calvinist Pastors. Before we joined I gave him my SOF ( taken from your website, as I hold to that too. He said he was somewhere in the middle theologically and was a word and spirit church. But I was naive and didn't heed the warning signs. I fell into Calvinism a few years ago, for around a year or so. I was not grounded in Gods word. Most churches here in the UK are reformed or arminian. I was desperate for fellowship, as hadn't been able to connect with a good church for years. I was listening to a lot of solid Bible teachers online. We will never set foot in a church again here. Learnt my lesson. Messes your head up and takes away your joy. Still struggling with it all. Not told the Pastor, just going to leave. He will know why. I will have to explain to some friends I made there. I expose the false teachings quite a bit on Facebook. So will probably get the hint. Apologies for the essay. Love in Christ ❤🙏
Going through the same thing. Appreciate the testimony. I tried explaining to a teacher and people at the church I go to why lordship doesn't make sense . I'm going back this Sunday to tell them in person I won't be back please pray that I have the courage to do so
If a believer falls away, would they be turned over to a reprobate mind and die spiritually dead in their sins? I fell away during a severe trial as a new believer and hardened my heart towards God and didn’t turn back as I didn’t realize I was being discipline and that I was going against His will. It feels like I totally lost the Holy Spirit as my spirit feels dead and no fruits of the Spirit or desires or will to obey. I don’t hear God’s voice any more and scripture longer brings any comfort or encouragement. I also don’t feel the Spirit convicting me of sin or righteousness anymore and have not for several years. I seek God and read His word but find no peace and restoration and overwhelmed with despair and regret for not listening to the Spirits voice when He was leading me to safety and I ignored it.
@travisstolcis3056 I just posted my comment to you, but it got blocked and removed by YT. Anyway, here it goes again. I suffered from severe OCD and have had it since childhood, but back during those years there were hardly any books available to the public on OCD. I knew something was wrong with me, but I couldn't put my finger on it nor did I know what my disorder was called. My worst OCD panic attack occurred shortly after my mother's death where the anxiety and panic lasted for almost 2 years. I prayed about it, others prayed for me, I saw psychiatrists and psychologists, both secular and Christian, took meds, but to no avail. My therapists never diagnosed me with OCD, and never mentioned that term to me at all. I did not know that I had OCD until the first book available to the public was written by a psychiatrist back in 1989. Later, other books were written and published by psychologists specializing in the treatment of OCD. To this day, I still have OCD which still comes and goes and waxes and wanes. This disorder will be with me for the rest of my life. It was a living hell for me where no one could help me. I went to my church seeking help, but no one could help me. Eventually everyone in my church got tired of seeing me in the deplorable mental state that I was in and eventually pushed me off to one side to suffer alone. This included the youth fellowship leader who was cold and insensitive to me. The anxiety and panic continued and eventually I snapped and left the church. I turned my back on God and cursed Him and even destroyed my Bible. I had become severely disillusioned, discouraged, and angry at God because of my mental condition and at Christians in my church because no one could help me no matter what, but just pushed me off to one side to suffer alone. I fell into willful apostasy, sin, and rebellion against God for 9 long years. I had sinful thoughts, lustful desires, hate, anger, etc, you name it for 9 long years. However, at the 9 year mark of my apostasy and rebellion against God, He chastised me through a paranormal experience and brought me back to fellowship with Him and here I am today. That was 32 years ago, but God has been gracious to me ever since. God's chastisement was first punitive, then restorative - Job 5:17-18, Hebrews 12:5-11. Of course, if I were to share my testimony before a group of Calvinists/Lordship Salvation people or Arminian/Lordship Salvation people, the response would be obvious. I would easily be dismissed and written off by Calvinists/Lordshippers as an "unsaved false professor with non saving faith" based on their gross misunderstanding and eisegesis of Luke 8:6/Luke 8:13, John 15:2,6, 1 Corinthians 9:27, 2 Corinthians 13:5, 1 John 2:19 just to name a few. Arminian/Lordship people would no doubt conclude that I had "lost my salvation and can't get it back" based on their misunderstanding of such passages like Hebrews 6:4-8, Hebrews 10:26-27, Hebrews 10:38-39, John 15:2,6, Revelation 3:5, etc.
@travisstolcis3056 Many believers fall away and sometimes fall into grievous sin, but the fact that you are concerned about your present spiritual state shows that you are not a reprobate. The reprobate doctrine comes from Calvinism where they errantly teach that those who fall away "were never saved to begin with" and are "unsaved false professors with non saving faith" based on various Scriptures taken out of context and used in isolation and eisegeted, that is, where they impose their own philosophical presuppositions into the Bible. Falling away is very common among young babes in Christ - Luke 8:6-7/Luke 8:13-14. Luke 8:6-8/Luke 8:13-15 is one of the passages that Calvinism has perverted and eisegeted. They only perceive Luke 8:8/Luke 8:15 as the only "truly saved Christian" because of the presence of works and perseverance. A classic example of a reprobate is Judas Iscariot who was never saved despite the fact that he was with Jesus for 3 years. Judas Iscariot was a personal eyewitness of the many miracles/healings that Jesus performed which were irrefutable proof that Jesus was indeed the Savior. However, Judas never believed in Christ, period, but was just a thief interested in money. Judas did later repent and came to his senses, but he went to the wrong people to do that - Matthew 27:3-5. Now, if Judas personally went to where Christ was at that time on the cross, then it would have been a different story, but he didn't. Simon Peter denied and lied 3 times about his association with Christ when he was questioned and there was the instance where Jesus called Simon Peter "Satan", but Simon Peter was still saved. Simon Peter BELIEVED that Christ is the Savior which saved him right then and there in a nanosecond. The reality is that there are way more Luke 8:6-7/Luke 8:13-14 Christians in this world that are saved than Luke 8:8/Luke 8:15 Christians. It would be ideal of all saved Christians fall in the Luke 8:8/Luke 8:15 category, but again, the reality is that there are more Luke 8:6-7/Luke 8:13-14 believers. Many of these believers are young babes in Christ just like I was for roughly a year before I fell away. I was a Luke 8:6/Luke 8:13 Christian and my brother was a Luke 8:7/Luke 8:14 where we both fell away into sin and became apostate. However, apostasy in the faith cannot undo one's salvation in Christ nor does it make them "reprobate" or mean they are "unsaved." If you have ever believed on Christ by faith alone in Him alone apart from your works, then you are eternally saved whether you feel it or not. At the very moment of faith, a person is sealed with the UNBREAKABLE SEAL of the Holy Spirit in a nanosecond whether you feel it or not - Ephesians 1:13, 2 Corinthians 1:22, John 5:24, John 10:28-29, Romans 8:38-39, 1 Corinthians 3:14-15, 2 Timothy 2:13. Once you are saved, it does not matter what you do or don't do down the line which will affect your salvation. Hope this helps, God bless!
Thank you for freeing us with the scare versus that build us once we understand. You are really making the body walk in true HS power and joy.
This best teaching on the web....
Sincerely thank you :) May God bless y'all week ahead.
I had thorns and briers but I got help and turned full circle in my alcohol and now read my Bible every day I have my trials and tribulations temptations I know God will never leave me or forsake me
I once fell away from the faith for 9 long years living in apostasy, sin, and willful rebellion against God. I thought I had fallen to the point of no return. However, God in His mercy chastised me to bring me back to fellowship with Him and here I am today. That was 31 years ago, but God has been gracious to me ever since. God's chastisement was first punitive, then restorative - Hebrews 12:5-11, Job 5:17-18. I am literally a former living example of Hebrews 6:4-8, Hebrews 10:26-27, and John 15:2,6.
Of course, the above mentioned passages have no doubt been hijacked by Calvinists/Lordship Salvation people and Arminian/Lordship Salvation people to falsely teach that those who willfully fall away from God and live in apostasy, sin, and rebellion "were never saved to begin with" (Calvinist view) based upon a twisted interpretation of Luke 8:6-7/Luke 8:13-14, just to name a few or that the person "will lose their salvation and go to hell" - (Arminian view). Both views are wrong of course as Calvinism and Arminianism are opposite sides of the same coin.
Falling away will no doubt incur God's chastisement upon the person and the person will also suffer other unpleasant earthly consequences, but losing one's salvation is not one of them.
Me too…similar story. I fell into sin and God in His mercy brought me back. He never gave up on me but I did suffer the consequences of my rebellion. Rightfully so. I appreciate your comment and summarizing Calvinism and Arminians. I always knew I was saved. Nobody could tell me I wasn’t before I fell away.
What lead to you falling away? Did you feel like you lost the Holy Spirit during that time? Did your mind seem like it was reprobate with sinful thoughts and desires and no interest in the things of God? How did you come to being restored?
@@travisstolcis3056 I suffered from severe OCD and have had it since childhood, but back during those years there were hardly any books available to the public on OCD. I knew something was wrong with me, but I couldn't put my finger on it nor did I know what my disorder was called. My worst OCD panic attack occurred shortly after my mother's death where the anxiety and panic lasted for almost 2 years. I prayed about it, others prayed for me, I saw psychiatrists and psychologists, both secular and Christian, took meds, but to no avail.
My therapists never diagnosed me with OCD, and never mentioned that term to me at all. I did not know that I had OCD until the first book available to the public was written by a psychiatrist back in 1989. Later, other books were written and published by psychologists specializing in the treatment of OCD. To this day, I still have OCD which still comes and goes and waxes and wanes. This disorder will be with me for the rest of my life.
It was a living hell for me where no one could help me. I went to my church seeking help, but no one could help me. Eventually everyone in my church got tired of seeing me in the deplorable mental state that I was in and eventually pushed me off to one side to suffer alone. This included the youth fellowship leader who was cold and insensitive to me. The anxiety and panic continued and eventually I snapped and left the church. I turned my back on God and cursed Him and even destroyed my Bible.
I had become severely disillusioned, discouraged, and angry at God because of my mental condition and at Christians in my church because no one could help me no matter what, but just pushed me off to one side to suffer alone. I fell into willful apostasy, sin, and rebellion against God for 9 long years.
I had sinful thoughts, lustful desires, hate, anger, etc, you name it for 9 long years. However, at the 9 year mark of my apostasy and rebellion against God, He chastised me through a paranormal experience and brought me back to fellowship with Him and here I am today. That was 32 years ago, but God has been gracious to me ever since. God's chastisement was first punitive, then restorative - Job 5:17-18, Hebrews 12:5-11.
Of course, if I were to share my testimony before a group of Calvinists/Lordship Salvation people or Arminian/Lordship Salvation people, the response would be obvious. I would easily be dismissed and written off by Calvinists/Lordshippers as an "unsaved false professor with non saving faith" based on their gross misunderstanding and eisegesis of Luke 8:6/Luke 8:13, John 15:2,6, 1 Corinthians 9:27, 2 Corinthians 13:5, 1 John 2:19 just to name a few.
Arminian/Lordship people would no doubt conclude that I had "lost my salvation and can't get it back" based on their misunderstanding of such passages like Hebrews 6:4-8, Hebrews 10:26-27, Hebrews 10:38-39, John 15:2,6, Revelation 3:5, etc.
That was great! Simple, easy to understand teaching. Applicable for us today. Thank you for being clear!
Awesome teaching brother! Thank you! I needed to hear this, as coming out of a Lordship salvationist church, that my hubby and I have been attending for a year. He was always quoting from Calvinist Pastors. Before we joined I gave him my SOF ( taken from your website, as I hold to that too. He said he was somewhere in the middle theologically and was a word and spirit church. But I was naive and didn't heed the warning signs. I fell into Calvinism a few years ago, for around a year or so. I was not grounded in Gods word. Most churches here in the UK are reformed or arminian. I was desperate for fellowship, as hadn't been able to connect with a good church for years. I was listening to a lot of solid Bible teachers online. We will never set foot in a church again here. Learnt my lesson. Messes your head up and takes away your joy. Still struggling with it all. Not told the Pastor, just going to leave. He will know why. I will have to explain to some friends I made there. I expose the false teachings quite a bit on Facebook. So will probably get the hint. Apologies for the essay. Love in Christ ❤🙏
That’s amazing! Thank you for reaching out and telling us. Keep up the good work in sharing the truth of the gospel, and God will bless you.
- Trent
Going through the same thing. Appreciate the testimony. I tried explaining to a teacher and people at the church I go to why lordship doesn't make sense . I'm going back this Sunday to tell them in person I won't be back please pray that I have the courage to do so
This was good thanks.
The title scared me for a minute. I thought you'd been Calvinised, ; )
Haha!!
Thanks!
- Trent
If a believer falls away, would they be turned over to a reprobate mind and die spiritually dead in their sins? I fell away during a severe trial as a new believer and hardened my heart towards God and didn’t turn back as I didn’t realize I was being discipline and that I was going against His will. It feels like I totally lost the Holy Spirit as my spirit feels dead and no fruits of the Spirit or desires or will to obey. I don’t hear God’s voice any more and scripture longer brings any comfort or encouragement. I also don’t feel the Spirit convicting me of sin or righteousness anymore and have not for several years. I seek God and read His word but find no peace and restoration and overwhelmed with despair and regret for not listening to the Spirits voice when He was leading me to safety and I ignored it.
@travisstolcis3056 I just posted my comment to you, but it got blocked and removed by YT. Anyway, here it goes again. I suffered from severe OCD and have had it since childhood, but back during those years there were hardly any books available to the public on OCD. I knew something was wrong with me, but I couldn't put my finger on it nor did I know what my disorder was called. My worst OCD panic attack occurred shortly after my mother's death where the anxiety and panic lasted for almost 2 years. I prayed about it, others prayed for me, I saw psychiatrists and psychologists, both secular and Christian, took meds, but to no avail.
My therapists never diagnosed me with OCD, and never mentioned that term to me at all. I did not know that I had OCD until the first book available to the public was written by a psychiatrist back in 1989. Later, other books were written and published by psychologists specializing in the treatment of OCD. To this day, I still have OCD which still comes and goes and waxes and wanes. This disorder will be with me for the rest of my life.
It was a living hell for me where no one could help me. I went to my church seeking help, but no one could help me. Eventually everyone in my church got tired of seeing me in the deplorable mental state that I was in and eventually pushed me off to one side to suffer alone. This included the youth fellowship leader who was cold and insensitive to me. The anxiety and panic continued and eventually I snapped and left the church. I turned my back on God and cursed Him and even destroyed my Bible.
I had become severely disillusioned, discouraged, and angry at God because of my mental condition and at Christians in my church because no one could help me no matter what, but just pushed me off to one side to suffer alone. I fell into willful apostasy, sin, and rebellion against God for 9 long years.
I had sinful thoughts, lustful desires, hate, anger, etc, you name it for 9 long years. However, at the 9 year mark of my apostasy and rebellion against God, He chastised me through a paranormal experience and brought me back to fellowship with Him and here I am today. That was 32 years ago, but God has been gracious to me ever since. God's chastisement was first punitive, then restorative - Job 5:17-18, Hebrews 12:5-11.
Of course, if I were to share my testimony before a group of Calvinists/Lordship Salvation people or Arminian/Lordship Salvation people, the response would be obvious. I would easily be dismissed and written off by Calvinists/Lordshippers as an "unsaved false professor with non saving faith" based on their gross misunderstanding and eisegesis of Luke 8:6/Luke 8:13, John 15:2,6, 1 Corinthians 9:27, 2 Corinthians 13:5, 1 John 2:19 just to name a few.
Arminian/Lordship people would no doubt conclude that I had "lost my salvation and can't get it back" based on their misunderstanding of such passages like Hebrews 6:4-8, Hebrews 10:26-27, Hebrews 10:38-39, John 15:2,6, Revelation 3:5, etc.
@travisstolcis3056 Many believers fall away and sometimes fall into grievous sin, but the fact that you are concerned about your present spiritual state shows that you are not a reprobate. The reprobate doctrine comes from Calvinism where they errantly teach that those who fall away "were never saved to begin with" and are "unsaved false professors with non saving faith" based on various Scriptures taken out of context and used in isolation and eisegeted, that is, where they impose their own philosophical presuppositions into the Bible.
Falling away is very common among young babes in Christ - Luke 8:6-7/Luke 8:13-14. Luke 8:6-8/Luke 8:13-15 is one of the passages that Calvinism has perverted and eisegeted. They only perceive Luke 8:8/Luke 8:15 as the only "truly saved Christian" because of the presence of works and perseverance. A classic example of a reprobate is Judas Iscariot who was never saved despite the fact that he was with Jesus for 3 years. Judas Iscariot was a personal eyewitness of the many miracles/healings that Jesus performed which were irrefutable proof that Jesus was indeed the Savior.
However, Judas never believed in Christ, period, but was just a thief interested in money. Judas did later repent and came to his senses, but he went to the wrong people to do that - Matthew 27:3-5. Now, if Judas personally went to where Christ was at that time on the cross, then it would have been a different story, but he didn't.
Simon Peter denied and lied 3 times about his association with Christ when he was questioned and there was the instance where Jesus called Simon Peter "Satan", but Simon Peter was still saved. Simon Peter BELIEVED that Christ is the Savior which saved him right then and there in a nanosecond.
The reality is that there are way more Luke 8:6-7/Luke 8:13-14 Christians in this world that are saved than Luke 8:8/Luke 8:15 Christians. It would be ideal of all saved Christians fall in the Luke 8:8/Luke 8:15 category, but again, the reality is that there are more Luke 8:6-7/Luke 8:13-14 believers. Many of these believers are young babes in Christ just like I was for roughly a year before I fell away.
I was a Luke 8:6/Luke 8:13 Christian and my brother was a Luke 8:7/Luke 8:14 where we both fell away into sin and became apostate. However, apostasy in the faith cannot undo one's salvation in Christ nor does it make them "reprobate" or mean they are "unsaved." If you have ever believed on Christ by faith alone in Him alone apart from your works, then you are eternally saved whether you feel it or not. At the very moment of faith, a person is sealed with the UNBREAKABLE SEAL of the Holy Spirit in a nanosecond whether you feel it or not - Ephesians 1:13, 2 Corinthians 1:22, John 5:24, John 10:28-29, Romans 8:38-39, 1 Corinthians 3:14-15, 2 Timothy 2:13. Once you are saved, it does not matter what you do or don't do down the line which will affect your salvation.
Hope this helps, God bless!
You don't understand Calvinism.