The "people eat too much because they think the world exists for their pleasure" is so horrible. If you watch an episode of My 600lb Life, there's a huge percentage, nearly all of them actually, who are dealing with some kind of major trauma in their life, and food becomes a form of self-medication. It DOESN'T feel good to overeat. I used to do it constantly. I felt so much shame about it and wondered what the hell was wrong with me that I couldn't stop. A lot of these things are not because people are just selfish and want to do what feels good (of course some skinny guy who's never struggled with weight would say that shit). It's a compulsive behavior that's rooted in some other issue. People need therapy and better mental health resources, not more guilt.
Well, you know, they aren't doctors, nutritionists, or therapists, just self-righteous aholes who believe they speak for God himself as they stand on their soapbox judging everyone else and conveniently forgetting that little verse that says, "Judgement is mine, says the Lord."
Just as many drug addicts aren't addicts because it feels good - they're addicts because it hurts too much to stop. You're absolutely right, mental health and support services are lacking in this country and it affects everyone.
The podcast isn't my thing but these essay form videos regarding modern-day Christianity and their bad practices is honestly one of the best things on UA-cam. I hope you succeed on UA-cam good sir
Very much agree. Especially since unlike most atheist response videos they feature multiple examples of the thing being talked about, instead of just focusing on the assertions of a specific apologist.
"Gluttony is not a physical weight issue, it's a spiritual weight issues" great now I don't just have to deal with unrealistic body standards now I have to deal with unrealistic soul standards Actually, scratch that, I just realized I've been having to deal with unrealistic soul standards my entire life as a kid raised in evangelicalism
Funny how gluttony is always about food and never about hoarding wealth and power Edit: It's been over a year stop correcting me I get an email every time you guys can't read the million comments in front of yours.
The beginning on the treatment of poor people hits so close to home. We're okay now, but for about 3 years my family didn't have a dollar to our names. My husband, who had been the provider since I had our son, was injured badly enough he could no longer work, and at the time I just could not find work anywhere. It was Hell. Food stamps are what kept us alive. I still vividly remember a time I went out with our son. He was only 3 at the time, and badly wanted some goldfish. We'd been psychotically practical about food purchases and we still had a bit on the card so, yeah, of course I got my 3yo some damn goldfish. A woman at the store in line saw my SNAP card and went off on me over the damn goldfish about how they were the reason I was fat (because clearly I was buying them for myself not the 3yo I was holding), how we were disgusting leeches, and how I should have my son taken away. Scared the shit out of my kid, and made an already miserable point in our lives much worse. I also clearly remember the giant cross necklace she was wearing. People are so fucking wild man. It's disgusting how many "Good Loving Christians" would love to see a struggling family starve, and their baby thrown in foster care.
So unkind! And un-christlike! And your poor son! Some people are so unnecessarily cruel. If I were in the line at the store with you, I'd have paid for a few more treats for your son and for you too.
Meanwhile here in evil liberal California I have never seen anyone treat each-other so poorly. The general feeling seems to be either "that could be me" or "that was me once". I also try to be extra kind to elderly folks around here who are using tons of coupons since they may very well be living on the edge of their means.
THANK you for this series! Fat-shaming DOES NOT "work". Study after study has proven this, and it's not hard to understand: making folks feel badly about themselves doesn't motivate, it's exactly the opposite. For many, it's crushing. And anyone rude enough to fat-shame someone doesn't care about that person, so can it with the flimsy excuses like "it shortens their lifespan" / "I 'care' about 'role models'". It's B.S. that proves itself wrong. It pushes many folks into disordered eating - "diets", sketchy supplements, substances, & of course ana/buli - and that is not "helping them", it's killing them. If they don't already have a history, they will, and the lifespan for those is terrifyingly short. Even for those skinny kids who were never "overweight" but it wasn't about fatness - like me, and like my friend who'd always been thin as a rail but her well-hidden ana&buli stole her from this world that never deserved such a beautiful person. I don't know how she had so much room in her heart, but she did, in spite of everything she'd been through in her short life. I miss her so much. To anyone reading this who's desperate to be thinner, please don't resort to starving or purging. It's miserable and it's not worth it, and it's dead serious. And it is a slow, agonising end. (If the cardiac doesn't end you, then you'll languish in the hospital as all your organ systems start shutting down across days or weeks.) "Love yourself first."
My condolences for your friend. I'm sorry for your loss, and hope you are doing okay. She seemed like a nice person. It sucks having your own reality and self image twisted by your authority figures. Having to deprogram your own moral compass to achieve real progress is one of the saddest pieces of irony regarding our own psychology, imo. I really wish more people understood the double edged-nature of guilt and how many suffer because of it turning to shame. Anyways, here's to a better life for you. Cheers.
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens You're welcome. My issue may be different, having ADHD and struggling to start tasks or stay on them instead of body issues. But I know the taste of malevolent shame all the same. Hope you are doing well. Thanks to you too.
@@erikstephens6370 Oo, I know ADHD. (I'm riddled with conditions & issues, heh.) Not trying to steal the spotlight, just wanting to note just in case: it's generally accepted that cognitive behavioural therapy ("CBT" - Safe Search on, lol) can be quite helpful for ADHDers. Also, "How To ADHD" is a great channel and the gal in front of [and behind] the camera is really gentle, kind, sweet, overall great for folks who may feel a bit... idk, bad, guilty, anxious, afraid, etc. (Just listing mine, anyway. Lol!) She's also very intelligent, remarkably incisive, and sensitive to intersectionality. And her voice is nice, at least to me. (I know many various neurodivergent folks can be sensitive to that.) OK, sorry, I'm not exactly on top of my ND brain. Working on it! Cheers! And thank you again. My friend was a wonderful person, truly an angel (in the turn of phrase) with a fiery spirit and a selfless benevolence that showed in her loyalty to friends and kindness to strangers. I'll not waffle on again, but I can't even get into all the horrors she faced. A screenwriter would call it "too much". My only consolation is that nobody can ever hurt her anymore. I loved her so much, but I couldn't protect her. ;_; I'm sorry, dw about it. She would want me to live a happy life, and you too. Enjoy the little things, and be gracious to yourself & celebrate your victories, no matter how small. *TL;DR = cheers, friend!* (You don't have to read all that.)
We all are part of a single body. _Tis obese and it has autoimmune disease_ The only way to be healthy is social honesty in radical doses and universal love. It's closer to this comment than anything else. And blaming the individual is just covering the problem.
“Junk food can’t fix your problems!” Well, invisible man in the sky can’t do that either - so I might as well just get the dopamine rush from the fudge brownies than try to get a straight answer from the invisible man…
Yeah, my blood sugar dropped and relying on sky daddy just made me nauseous. Bite of a candy bar would have gotten me right enough to make a proper meal. Instead, I got a visit to the emergency room for anti-emetics.
@@mantheman11 Yeah - faith can give you a goal, but is it a goal worth pursuing? In my experience, the answer is a resounding "no." If I need a dopamine rush from consuming a brownie every now and then, I will do so and I won't experience any shame from doing so.
Fun fact about the frog in a boiling kettle analogy...the study found that the frog would only stay in the pot as the water was slowly boiled if their brain stem was first cut. If the frog was in full control of their facilities, they would leave the pot when the water got uncomfortably hot.
yeah! also if you throw a frog into boiling water, it's legs are going to be too damaged to jump out anyway. a better analogy would be tarantulas, tarantula keepers always say you shouldn't put a heating pad on the bottom because tarantulas burrow to cool down, but if the heating pad is on the bottom they don't realize they're cooking themselves. that's why you should put it on the side of the enclosure so they have a warm side and a cool side :)
I feel like it works with my moronic plants during the summer. They will move themselves closer and closer to a sun in 100 degree weather and be shocked that they get burnt
I have a great example of this from my private Christian school experience. We took a field trip to an orchard run by a church member, and he said each kid could pick a bag of apples for free. I loved apples and got all excited… thinking about sharing all the apples with friends and family. I picked an apple for about every person I knew. 😂 The pastor’s wife saw little me trying to carry this heavy bag of apples and just started yelling at me for being a greedy little child.
I feel like there’s a level of projection there, that this woman could not imagine you grabbing all this stuff to share and not to selfishly horde to yourself.
lol that's some serious "making an ass of you and me" stuff right there. At the very least she should have half-jokingly asked "are you going to eat all of those?" to which you could have given her some clarification.
I grew up with my food being very controlled by my mom and fat shamed by my dad. If I ate an apple one day I wasn’t allowed to eat a banana because that would be too much sugar. My mom counted out the amount of grapes I was allowed to have and would constantly order one item of food for the two of us to share, leaving me hungry every time. It wasn’t until about a year ago that I discovered that the rest of the world believes that oatmeal is good for you which shocked me because we were only allowed to eat oatmeal on special ocasiones (too many carbs). Anyway, my point is that now I struggle a lot with binge eating. I was never allowed to listen to my body and now it’s really difficult for me to know when I’m hungry and especially when I’m full. I’ve been working on it and it takes a lot of self love and patience. These types of messages are incredibly counterproductive and harmful.
i relate to that a lot, my parents always told me i was eating too much when i'm 6"4 and i just needed a lot more food than them, and they always made me eat "healthy" food like veggies and stuff. I was literally starving because they never let me eat enough, and now living on my own i try my best to find how to fix my relationship with food. So far my best result has been making good looking food, because it does help me eat that i feel like my food is something i'm proud of making, and that makes it easier for me to look forward to a meal
"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." Robert Heinlein. Also, you are so right about licorice.
@@AshleyBreads Every point of wisdom ever gleaned from this world was done so by flawed human beings. Even the worst people in history had a few good ideas. We should take the good ideas and eschew the bad ones regardless of who came up with them.
Someone saying something doesn't make it true. This statement is far too simplified to the point of being ridiculous. Life has for more context then that.
Well, that's technically right since it's a dichotomy, though not very thought provoking or profound. Of course its either option a or not option a. Edit: why did I say it's a tautology I'm so fucking stupid
One of my co-workers is a larger person (I've not heard them identify as "fat", so I'll refrain from that terminology). We went out for dinner when I was in training, and I chose a regional fast-food chain. We both ordered a meal and a milkshake, then sat down to eat and talk. We had a great time! Near the end of our meal, my co-worker said, "yeah, I know I probably don't need all that food, but..." I interrupted her and said, "I chose this place because it's what I wanted, and we both ate exactly what our bodies needed." Gluttony culture is insidious
My partner is fat and they consistently eat less food than I do. They probably eat healthier than I do on a regular basis, also. Their sugar intake is far more controlled than mine. They don't actually like sugary treats like me and my family!
@@aazhie Yeah, as a rotund person myself it is always frustrating to see people who eat more than me and exercise less and yet they are skinny and I am not. I'm glad that scientists are looking into these oddities and finding out that "calories in, calories out" in not the be-all and end-all.
@@aazhie people often don't t understand that weight gain and loss isn't only about what you eat, it has so many other factors, how well you sleep, the time you sleep, how much water you drink, hormones, medicines. People judge from appearance and I know so many skinny people who eat like shit and have health problems related to it.
I take issue with saying fast food is exactly what the body needs. The link between highly processed foods and heart disease is clear, people are healthier when they have a varied diet with more vegetables. You can be honest without shaming people for their weight
I was considering going back to church when I discovered this channel, and I’m glad so. I was reminded by all the reason I left when I was just a teenager, because even at that younger age I knew about so many bad practices and shitty people it held and created. I was also reminded that the problem isn’t having faith in something higher than me, but the people wanting to bully and have power over others using faith as their method. This channel ironically saved more than Christianity ever did and have helped me heal and cry and yell about feelings I pushed down because I didn’t want to look like the raging atheist teenager in a phase. So thank you guys, you’ve always got my support and I hope more people who need to hear these points find y’alll like I did
I really dislike the angry atheist stereotype. It implicitly assumes that people don't have legitimate things to be angry about. IME, that is seldom the case. But because it's a meme now, it forces people into the closet when what they need is catharsis and understanding. A handful of bad actors turned the whole thing into an identity for profit and everyone suffers as a result. Bad meme. Not very real.
Always nice to see folks who were helped. It's so sad that religious people assume atheists are self centered. It's no more common in non religious people than theists and religious folks.
I hope, if you were considering returning to church to find community, that you find a genuine source of that elsewhere! The church deffo benefits from the lack of similarly well-known secular sources for this, and I worry it leads to an idea that belonging or inclusion comes at the price of conformity or compromising on your beliefs. Support shouldn't come at the cost of your genuine ideals and sense of self, and it's unfortunate that the church benefits from this false dichotomy. ❤
@@rainbowkrampus yeah I’m done being an angry atheist and just starting my own religion called Tadaism so I can show Christians and Muslims in real time how their prophets probably put together the story. We only need a few hundred people to bear witness to Harry potters magic sacrifice and resurrection. Then wel’ll have as much evidence for this new religion as Christians claim their sources had for the gospels they base the whole thing around. The Holy Text from Good Wizard can transform religious fundamentalists into hardcore skeptics when you cite it at them like they like to cite their scripture. That’s just one aspect of the “word magic” of Good Wizard’s magic Word.
I still struggle with my self-talk whenever I binge a show or use all my free time playing a game. I'm trying to retrain my brain to recognize necessary "play" and "rest" instead of mislabeling them as "gluttony" and "laziness." Guys. I didn't know how to **rest** without guilt. It still blows my mind. It's been helpful to think of it as "disordered resting" or "disordered productivity." It makes it less about morals and more about a health condition
Thats’s awful, and this is an increasingly secular attitude too. Hustle culture perpetuates the idea that if you aren’t being productive you’re wasting your time
Good on you for trying to rewire your brain. I see my mom as one of those people who will never take time to properly rest and take care of herself. I hope someday she will come to the same sort of epiphany you've had, but I'm accepting the very strong possibility that she's just going to work herself to death. I love her, and if religion enriches her life, then I want her to have it, but I hate the way she is taken advantage of and pushed too hard by the people at and the attitudes perpetuated by her church.
I grew up super religious (Catholic), BUT my family was also Italian, sooo … I’m grateful that our cultural background and love of good food canceled out any of the gluttony preaching nonsense in my childhood. 😅 Keep that food shaming away from my cannolis!!!
@@bridgetgress Most Catholics know that partying is part of life. Unfortunately, while Irish Catholics do party, too often Irish Catholicism guilts about partying...
My anorexic brain would have definitely considered anything near a normal intake as gluttony. I did hear a sermon mentioning controlling your appetite and felt superiorly self controlled.
And this is why I have the same fears whenever I buy something that might look a little fancy or more expensive with my food stamp card I start thinking is everyone in line or the cashier going to judge me? This is so effed up. When I first started receiving food stamps I was even afraid to buy ground coffee or a box of tea in case they were going to lecture me for not buying "food".
Maybe do not abuse the SNAP benefits then? No one cares about coffee or tea. It is legitimately garbage "food" like chips or soda that frustrates people.
As someone who is now agnostic but grew up in a christian household, is going to a catholic high school, and has been negatively impacted by beliefs like the ones you talk about, I'm so grateful for your videos. They're very comforting to me, and make me feel more comfortable in myself. Your closing words always leave me feeling hopeful for my life beyond christianity and the judgement of my family. Thank you.
the Christian idea that "you are not your own" really frustrated me as a kid. because not only was I not my own by god's standards, I wasn't my own by my parents standards either. these ideas that I have no agency over myself or my life is partially the reason I am an atheist today and I also do not talk to my parents. I'm not going to live a life where I'm told that no one has to respect my autonomy. I'm over that. edit: typo
I do like the definition my dad(a small church Protestant pastor) gave: he’d say consume WHAT you want but “gluttony” is when overconsumption of anything becomes harmful to others, like if someone becomes abusive when they drink too much, or something is consumed at the expense of others like TV mega church pastors asking for more donations they clearly keep for themselves Just interesting thought 🤷♀️
I stole food once , I didn't have any money, I was too ashamed to call my parents and I was starving. A lady was eating bread and when she looked away for a minute, I snatched her bread and ran ... I still feel ashamed
@@littlesunshine4591 the companies throw away 30-40% of food unsold and overall keep process needlessly high. If someone is desperate I can’t hold judgement.
Talking about genetics, did you know that some events like the potato famine in Ireland, where thousands of people died from starvation, changed the genetics of the population so severely that those decendents still easily create and store fat cells.
Right? These people act like countless generations of genetic adaptations to help us avoid starvation aren't a thing. Nature _wants_ us fat. That's why we don't suddenly lose the desire to eat the moment we've consumed enough calories to live and maintain a "normal" weight. Because that fat, as far as your biology is concerned, is the difference between life and death in times of scarcity, and the more of it you have, the better. It doesn't matter that food is abundant and readily available to most of us these days. That biological hardwiring and drive that helped our species survive for the overwhelming majority of our existence doesn't just go away because we've had plenty to eat for a single century.
I discovered this channel a week ago and grew up with the same story as you and listening to these has helped me realize almost all of my hangs up are from Christianity and its nice realizing there are millions of people out there that feel and think the same way I do.
@@hildia5439 yes. It has been like having a weight lifted and allowed be to go back and look from a different prospective. Finally realized it's not all my fault and it's really like being in an abusive relationship.
I think it would be interesting to also do a series on a secular interpretation of these sins. For example if I think about how gluttony is sinful what I think about isn't low income people eating McDonald's but more about the contrast between food waste in wealthy countries and hunger in poorer countries, or how some foods that are seen as status symbols like foie gras require methods that are abusive to animals or harmful to the environment. Tldr I definitely think there are ways that people cause serious harm because they want to eat food they don't need and that would be interesting to discuss.
Another sin that could easily be reworded to be significantly less toxic and judgemental is pride. Simply calling it arrogance removes nearly all the misanthropic connotations around it.
Yeah well even though that is interesting, since an secular interpretation isnt coming from one viewpoint. For example the point you gave is pretty good, but also says its the system that is wrong. There no individual involved. But to be honest i also thought about what an secular view of the sins should be. But that going to be pretty hard. Maybe we could see it more as an addiction, so drugs or eating isn't bad. But using it in an way you become addicted to it, then it becomes an problem.
I agree with what Martian said; it would be very interesting to discuss this topic from a secular point of view, because of the ethical implications of how we source our food and how unethical it is to waste so much. Too many people go hungry whilst so many tonnes of food go to waste every day! And the abuse of animals for food is probably something that our descendants will look upon unfavourably, and rightly so.
Yeah a great example is stuff like caviar or shark fin soup, they are seen as delicacies but come at the expense of animals who are deemed vulnerable to over-harvesting very easily. Caviar is usually collected by gutting female sturgeon and taking their eggs thus prevent the life cycle of the species from continuing yet people still doing it despite it basically killing their job. Meanwhile hunting sharks for just their fins is incredibly wasteful and attacks animals who naturally are at low concentrations then prey fish we happily overfish. Yet not many people care about this cause well it is tradition and status. Sturgeons are important bottom dwellers they carry nutrients back upstream and are valuable predators and all sharks are valuable for their environment.
@@boiankoYeah, confidence and self-esteem is one thing, arrogance is another. In fact, a lot of the sins seem to be about losing control of aspects of our mind that are healthy in moderation: lust is uncontrolled passion, greed and envy are ambition, wrath for justice, gluttony for enjoyment, and sloth for repose/satisfaction.
When I was having my massive depressive episode during the pandemic I lost a lot of weight cause some days the simple act of eating was too much effort. Can I just say nobody noticed that I was struggling with depression, but everyone noticed that I lost weight.
Happened to me last year, friend. Got really sick and lost a ton of weight because i couldnt eat. Its so gross how people dont notice struggles just weight. Im sorry you went through that
I lost 80 lbs pretty quickly after my dad died. Nobody wants to talk about my dad basically killing himself with his diabetes within a year of retiring, but everyone wants to know what I did to lose so much weight 🙃
Went through some tough times in the 90s and reached out for some help from the Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder Day Saints. I was a member at that time and it was the most humiliating thing that has ever happened to me. The church sent in people to “teach” me and my ex-wife about everything; from budgeting to healthy living. These were people from our ward (congregation) and they just happened to be better off than me. No training, no schooling, no licenses… We were being judged and told what to do….including not eating so much… My ex was a little larger than many and it was hard for her because she had been teased as a kid for her weight. Their superior, holier-than-thou attitudes… F**K THOSE PEOPLE! There is a reason social workers need schooling and licensing and is why churches should NOT be using laypeople to “help” those in need. It’s a form of control and authoritativeness and it’s disgusting.
I can relate a lot to the comment made about no one being too concerned with your precieved health when you are unhealthy underweight or losing rapidly. During 2020 I developed Fibromyalgia and severely lost weight when I already didn't have much to lose. So many middle aged, often "larger", women would get mad if I commented on trying to gain weight to be healthy again. I get it their frustration, but still. It was pretty annoying at the time.
Some of these clips gave me a real physical sense of anxiety, like a gut punch. I've overheard it myself from employee gossip walking around in the grocery store. You don't get the food stamp card unless you go there and can prove that you're in need. And sometimes people who really are in need make $1 too much to qualify and their whole family is screwed. These people are just lashing out because they hate their jobs and they're struggling themselves when they really should be being compassionate. This is class discrimination. It makes me sick.
I think it's more poverty-shaming than class discrimination. I've seen and heard plenty of working-class poor muhfkrs bash on welfare and welfare recipients. But I think you said something there when you said people lash out because they hate their jobs and struggling themselves. They know they're one injury or illness away from being homeless. Dedicated to their job and can still only barely afford the store brand necessities much less anything nice or fun. "Nice" and "fun" are luxuries. In the US, especially in the South, people have a fkd up relationship with work. Inwardly, they hate how hard they have to work to get back so little but they think they're supposed to be grateful, even _love_ it, because Murica. Livin' the dream - life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness... until ya need take a personal day. Me personally, I think Errico Malatesta was right... about everything.
@@woodygilson3465 I'd like to point out that class discrimination is based on one's level of poverty. And yes, many people in this country have deluded themselves with the American dream. It's more a drug than a dream.
You know what's worse than growing up with a Christian parent who shames you for eating what you want? A Christian parent who is also in the medical field and uses their job and patients to shame you for eating what you want. And then when you call them out for affecting how they've affected your relationship with food, they call you sensitive and immature. So cool, love it.
@lifeslicer6698 fr, I lost weight eating pizza every day because I finally got out of my household that overfed me. It took me a while to learn and realize that both sides of the coin have their own struggles. You hang in there bud
I hear "Life is not for pleasure" and similar things all the timem. I am still yet to see any of those conservative Christians say that sex outside fertile period is a sin.
I live in New Mexico where Skip Heitzig lives. He and his wife and son came into where I worked frequently. They were the most greedy, proud, glutinous consumers. Every time they walked in it made my day worse. They got mad one time because we were busy and they "needed to get to their jet to fly to Tuscany". Like, Mister, I am sorry you're not the only customer.
As a Wal-Mart cashier who's so poor I have to subsist on EBT, these stories about cashiers publicly shaming customers for using EBT to buy "crap" makes me irrationally angry (HOW ELSE CAN YOU BUY JUNK FOOD IN THIS DAY AND AGE!? ALL MY ACTUAL MONEY GOES STRAIGHT TO RENT!!)
Your comment is hilariously poetic. The fact that you cannot see the problem with abusing EBT while also being on EBT is *exactly the problem keeping you poor*. Junk food is literally a waste of your time, health, and life. The issue is these poor people have no financial literacy hence, spending money on garbage when they should be saving it. Tax payers pay for these programs with the intent of getting recipients OFF THE PROGRAM. When stories of poor people continuing to make poor decisions even when they are given handouts is what annoys people because that clearly does not deserve it.
@@0ThrowawayAccount0 Shut the hell up. Dude. Poor decisions. Handouts. Bullshit, all of it-- the reason people need the help is so they aren't completely destitute from the rent that's too high eating the vast bulk of their wages that are too low. And you chastise them for a few dollars because they're not living like *monks?!* Get your head out of your manicured ass. The amount of money they could save isn't going to get them out of poverty. You just want people to be miserable. Get the hell out of here.
I'm just dropping by to say that you are attractive. My mother told me daily that I was ugly, but it isn't true. Neither is it true for you. And I've been noticing that the longer you've gone taking care of yourself, the more confidence you've had, and the more attractive you become. You are a good-looking man! Don't let their bs keep you artificially humble. You don't deserve that. Edit: p.s. it really pisses me off when people talk about gluttony as if it is weight related. For most people, my diet would cause them to gain loads of weight. I have to eat 4,000 calories per day because I have an overactive metabolism. My diet is gluttonous, but because it's necessary and I'm thin it's OK. Where as someone who is dieting and trying their best to shed pounds would be shamed by these A-holes, for eating less than half of what I eat? NO! Bodies are different! Big bodies are just as beautiful as small bodies. I married my husband when he weighed the most, and my boyfriend (yes I'm poly) isn't a thin man either. All bodies are beautiful!
@Ray D Greenwald exactly! I mean, my boyfriend is a big dude. But he's also a BJJ champion... so his body is an incredibly athletic body. And sexy as hell to me lol 😅
Coincidentally, that pastor who was plagiarizing that sermon also lifted that whole bit about blessing unhealthy food and it "changing into a salad on the way down" from a christian stand up comedian, Tim Hawkins. Pretty much word for word
The skinniest ive ever been was because i was addicted to adderal and coke. But damn -the compliments I got on how “healthy” i looked. I was anything but.
I was at my scrawniest when I came back from having multiorgan failure for years and finally a liver transplant due to alcoholism. When I finished enough physical rehab to start going back to work, others also complimented me on my weight and health, when all I had done was go from a huge, swollen "beer belly" to an emaciated walking corpse. 😅
Thank you again for these videos, Trevor. You're incredible. I keep flashing back to childhood in the church. I was a fat kid, I overate, I still over eat when I'm stressed. It took years to work out it's because of trauma. It's funny how often someone seeking comfort through food will be blamed for being selfish when the alternative is fear and shame. Maybe they think if the shame is the same before and after it'll stop?
I’m sorry that you’ve dealt with so many shitty people in your life. I admire you for what you’re doing here on UA-cam sir. Your content has been a great resource for me in my deconversion/deconstruction journey
So awful of that person to insult you like that at the end of an already uncomfortable exchange. It is uncomfortable knowing someone who is willing to speak like that is in a position of authority over church folk.
I'm definitely a little bit overweight. I've been stuck at 200lbs, give or take a maximum of 20 lb in either direction, since I was 12. My parents, unable to get my mental health illnesses properly diagnosed decided the best thing to do was to put me in a kid's mental health hospital. I came out entirely traumatized with worst mental health but that's a whole different story. But while I was in there they put me on medications and I went from being a skinny normal twelve-year-old kid to a 200lb twelve-year-old who suddenly had extreme body issues and I still can't get that weight off from the medications I was put on 14 years ago. I have severe anxiety now I'm dealing with a lot of self-hatred over the way I look and the way that people make me feel about how I look. I barely leave my house anymore.
The whole gluttony thing really forces one to ask: _what even is sin at this point?_ 'Cause let's be real... if you've gotten to "I don't like the way you enjoy food" then it's clearly not in any way about "doing harm to God or others", it's just about the accuser's own sense of social superiority and constructing an out-group. (Also isn't God supposedly experiencing the whole universe at once all the time? What a glutton.)
Lol, this reminds me of that darkmatter2525 video where Jeffrey asks god: if he’s all knowing, does he know what it feels to snort a line of coke off the ass of a hooker? 😂
@@pansepot1490 The Bible says that God is equivalent to a human who has eaten both the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil _and_ the Fruit of Life. So... God's a very naughty boy, apparently.
I love that you're just eating snacks throughout this. It really helps subvert these people's Jesus brand fatphobia/diet culture/body negativity. =) Also, my mom loves red licorice twists.
This video makes me hungry. Im gonna make myself some toast now, thanks! For real though this shit is so toxic. Ive been (close to) underweight my whole life and these types of messages really really hurt people like me also
Yeah, as an insecure fatty, I was always defensive and insulting to thin people. Not col! It took me getting the concept that I'm not "bad" for being fat to stop being mean and judgy towards thin people.
I was on the same boat until I became an adult. Now I'm actually the weight I should be and don't faint randomly any more, but the amount of people that comment on how fat I've gotten is infuriating. If it's not one thing, it's the other.
OMG that "someone who doesn't care about looks" guy can just -f- hecc _all_ the way off! Not just rude, but also false! You have such a lovely charm to you and I hope you're taking good care of yourself. And as ever, thanks again for another awesome video, and for the smiles and your incisive insight & wit.
I know, I was absolutely appalled at that guy's arrogance to say such a thing. As if he were George Clooney or Brad Pitt or something. Trevor is a lot cuter than that obnoxious jerk!
I suddenly realized how much the “gluttony” shaming is subconsciously effecting my life, judging myself and how I did others. I left religion 20 years ago. P.S. ❤Ghost Trap
Wow. I thought "Pride" was the best of the series--to me, like on a personal level--then this one happened! Honestly, that's kinda been the way of it ever since I discovered this channel.
i cannot express how much i love these videos! it's really helpful to look at christianity from this perspective after having been born into this religion and trying to leave it
As a fat person, thank you for this! I definitely think you should expound more on the "telling poor people what to do" and specifically what to eat! That could be it's own video. I am fat, poor, and me and my family are all nuerospicy and have food allergies and aversions. I have the holy grail of things people can't help but comment incessantly on. The food wars become exhausting. My skinniest kid eats the most "junk" but those are his safe foods and he is autistic with ARFID. My safe foods are veggies mostly. But I am fat. The amount of times I've been food shamed at the register for buying my kids' safe foods and not mine because I can't afford them, is ridiculous. I live in the Bible belt. Most of not all of that shame comes from Christians. Also, I know this is a nebulous topic, but the church's concern trolling is such obvious rubbish. Dietary needs and restrictions are different for everybody, as does everyone's ability to access, purchase, store, and make food. There are plenty of times that I've had a blistering migraine or pregnancy related illness/disability and still had to parent and function, which meant I ordered take out because the options were eat take out or not eat because I just didn't have anything left in me to cook a whole ass meal. Add to this, going to a food pantry for food (I do) often gives us a box of totally unrelated, expired or about to expire, food items that I need to cook soon and still need to buy ingredients for at the store to complete. Sometimes I can't do that and using my hoarded gift cards and rewards points at Wendy's is both more cost effective and healthy for me and my family and being shamed for it is beyond fucking obnoxious. Super size that drink so all five of my kids can share lemonade. Lastly, thanks for another amazing and validating episode.💜💜
As a ✨spicy✨ brained individual who is also very poor and has food aversions I relate intensely to you and your kiddos. I desperately hope that things get better and easier for you. Making sure your kiddos get their safe foods and are eating is so important and I know from myself when I was a kid how difficult that can be.
I have adhd and I live with my autistic son and dil. My son has ibs, and I have ibd, so between us we have a lot of aversions and intolerances. We also live on disability due to other health issues (I am visually impaired and I have arthritis and fibro) I'm fat but I eat less food and healthier food than my son and dil. Mostly because I have an intolerance to sugar. One tip I can offer is to buy seconds/rejects fruit and veg if you can find them, and slow cooker freezer meals are a life saver. We are also lucky that my dil is obsessed with chickens, she wanted to get them as soon as she moved in and she takes good care of them, so we get regular eggs in exchange for kitchen scraps.
I have gotten shamed for buying more expensive dairy free, vegan foods with my food stamps. But I have dietary restrictions. The person doing the shaming didn't know that. They just saw a poor person buying the more expensive options with their foodstamps.
I so appreciate the work you put into this! It really helps me dig back through and recontextualize what I had believed growing up. Religion really tried to fill in our understanding of mental health before that field was further developed. It's really unfortunate that their practices exacerbate eating disorders (demonize binge eating, glorify restrictive eating disorders), and try to push appearance as a proxy for moral worth. Or the line it tries to draw between the mind and body in pushing cravings as irrelevant information your body is signaling that your mind must ignore. Instead, we know that we should value our body and learn from what it's signaling (understanding that our mind is a part of our body as well, mental health is health).
It’s really interesting how the only way I was finally able to get sober was to try to take the shame OUT of the equation. Shame is not the great motivator these people think it is, they just keep adding more and more and trying to add more and more self hatred not realizing just how paralyzing it is. 🙄 And it’s still something I struggle with, especially when the self hatred flares up. I don’t drink but definitely overeat sometimes when I’m not feeling good about myself.
Also judging people on food stamps for what they are buying with their food stamps which are for FOOD should be it’s own deadly sin. I can’t even. Ugh.
I went to the grocery store 2 days ago- we were out of alot of things but I took a list, so I wasn't just buying random crap. I'm usually pretty good at estimating, and I ALWAYS get the cheapo brands when possible. I spent TWICE what I thought I would. I had to bust into the cash I had just pulled for rent. Thank gawd I could cover it, and I have family that can help if needed. But I felt so ashamed, like I can BARELY afford food. And if I didn't have a safety net I'd be in a panic. My anxiety has been super bad- like I had to take time off bad. And it just added to my fears & guilt. This actually made me feel MUCH better. Like it's not just me this is happening to. I remember being thankful I'm petite and don't eat much. Which is pretty fed up on rexaminination. Anyway I needed this. Thank you. 💜
My whole life people have bulied telling themselves it's a positive thing if the person is fat, I genuinely thought I was a bad person because of my appearance which doesn't make any sense, ALSO I love how you ate throughout this video you're AWESOME!!
I have to live off of food stamps and I never, ever use anything but self-checkout for exactly the reasons at the start of the video. People really hate poor and disabled people and it's the most mortifying, embarassing, anxiety-inducing thing.
You know, I'm a pretty critical person. I usually find it a good thing, examining everything closely. It does lead to me being critical of other people pretty often, something I really should do less, but I can't remember a single time I stopped to question someone else's food consumption. I feel like you've really got to be looking for something to criticize to go there.
30:30 there is divine irony in Piers Morgan of all people telling someone else they shouldn't be on TV because they're sending a bad message and being a bad role model.
I remember when I was a kid I was watching the bonus features for the Newsboys music video A Million Pieces. Not only was the music video bizzare and made me strangely emotional as a sensitive kid. The subliminal messaging really impacted me. The visual of how they portrayed gluttony in the video made me feel guilty. I still feel leftover guilt sometimes when I eat any fast food because of that impact.
Oddly enough, I actually felt comfortable buying raspberries for the first time, because of a food stamps card. Now I really love raspberries and buy them often.
Ohhhhh, so that's why they don't help people who can't afford a meal! Because of gluttony! I mean, imagine if they had enough to eat. Then food would become their God, right? Wow, I'm so relieved now. How Christlike of them.
I watched this spread over my shift today, and in defiance of the shame I was feeling, I ate my breakfast and lunch while finishing this. I was in Overeaters Anonymous for a few years, and this is the exact shit that fucked me up. I had to give my hunger to god because I could not be trusted with food. I had no agency over my body, and my weight was intrinsically linked to my moral standing. So I had cake with my black coffee, and a full fat sandwich for lunch, both considered "wrong" foods. Being kind and letting myself eat tasty things means I don't feel the need to binge. While I haven't lost weight, I haven't gained and I don't hate myself every moment of every day. One day, I would love to have your take on twelve step programs. I'm someone who has stayed sober despite the actual harm I've received from trying to force myself into that ridged system. I thought that it was the first time I belonged anywhere, but I thought I was broken because I couldn't "give myself over to a power greater than myself". For all they tried to say they weren't religious, there was definitely a doctrine and I am still trying to unlearn some of the shit that was drilled into me.
as a person who developed a binge eating disorder in order to cope with depression, people telling me that i’m eating too much doesn’t fucking help. like i’m already fucking aware. my relationship with food is so fucked up from the messaging i keep seeing on the internet that it’s hard to even eat more than one meal a day.
I'd like to hear what pastor John Hagee has to say about gluttony, seeing as he's a rotund fella.... It's so funny how it's so easy for these preachers to judge other people when they avoid criticising faults that point to their own actions 😉📸
"It leaded me in the path of Burger King" was not something I expected to hear today, but I'm definitely gonna be saying it in my head next time I pass by a Burger King.
I asked a Christian once, if fat people go automatically to hell. She said no, that her family has this saying: It isn't important what comes into your mouth, but what comes out of it. Basically, you can eat what you want but don't say mean things. She was really mean anyway.
After watching this series from the first video, I think that you have quite the journey and analysis of how far off base Christianity has gotten over what each sin is or even means. I wouldn't be surprised if you did a video on melancholy and vanity, since those were separate sins up until the dark or middle ages in Europe and the all nine of them didn't overlap each other like a Vin diagram.
@@FiveFoxesInATrenchcoat Combining the power of capitalism with the power of "meritocracy" rhetoric is one of the most evil tactics I've encountered in my life.
There are people in all countries who think being rich shows you’re morally superior and therefore the poor are just lazy or stupid. That way they din5 have to do anything like sorting out fair pay or taxing excessive wealth
@@FiveFoxesInATrenchcoat Same reasoning why people "don't want to pay for anyone else's healthcare" or housing or cell phone/Internet service or, y'know, stupid and totally unnecessary stuff like that. I just hope they don't use public roadways, public amenities like parks, the mail service, or public education (including student loans) either, because in all cases they're relying on someone else's money for it. Oh no! 😱
I honestly think that as a Christian if someone is poor I should help them. Also I'm told to give to Caesar what is Caesar so I'm not going to complain about taxes.
As someone who grew up at Willow Creek Community Church, I absolutely love seeing you tear apart some of their sermons in this video. Thank you for adding me in my deeper understanding of why I left this church and the faith 🖤
This one hit close to home for me. I have anhedonia. I'm unable to feel any kind of joy or pleasure or satisfaction from anything. The only thing that makes me feel anything even slightly positive, even for a brief time, is sugar. Now I'm trying to lose weight seriously, and it's difficult to describe just how hard it is to give up the one source of comfort in your life.
@@weezieyo Not sure. Usually it's a symptom of a different condition like depression or schizophrenia, but in my case it just seems to be a neurological issue on its own. Like I am depressed, but the anhedonia came first. So there aren't a lot of treatments specifically for that
Hahahahahaha those clips with him eating were the funniest! Well done man Love the channel Thanks for helping the world be a better place Crazy how us athiests try to care about folks
Thank you for eating throughout this video. Had to watch this while I ate breakfast and it felt good to be able to curse these bigots with you while enjoying my French toast♥️
The "people eat too much because they think the world exists for their pleasure" is so horrible. If you watch an episode of My 600lb Life, there's a huge percentage, nearly all of them actually, who are dealing with some kind of major trauma in their life, and food becomes a form of self-medication. It DOESN'T feel good to overeat. I used to do it constantly. I felt so much shame about it and wondered what the hell was wrong with me that I couldn't stop. A lot of these things are not because people are just selfish and want to do what feels good (of course some skinny guy who's never struggled with weight would say that shit). It's a compulsive behavior that's rooted in some other issue. People need therapy and better mental health resources, not more guilt.
You just have to love the irony of someone calling out hedonism while living a hedonistic life. Another word for Christian should by hypocrite.
Well, you know, they aren't doctors, nutritionists, or therapists, just self-righteous aholes who believe they speak for God himself as they stand on their soapbox judging everyone else and conveniently forgetting that little verse that says, "Judgement is mine, says the Lord."
I mean you phrased it perfectly.
Just as many drug addicts aren't addicts because it feels good - they're addicts because it hurts too much to stop.
You're absolutely right, mental health and support services are lacking in this country and it affects everyone.
Gluttony in this case is a bad coping mechanism, meaning that to deal with the sin, one must find a better way to heal/live with their trauma.
The podcast isn't my thing but these essay form videos regarding modern-day Christianity and their bad practices is honestly one of the best things on UA-cam. I hope you succeed on UA-cam good sir
Very much agree. Especially since unlike most atheist response videos they feature multiple examples of the thing being talked about, instead of just focusing on the assertions of a specific apologist.
Agreed. I am incredibly glad to have discovered this channel ~2 years ago. The long style videos are so comforting in a way
@@hogndog2339 I _love_ the long videos! V comforting!
I agree fully. Except I can only listen to pastors blathering for so long lol
But I like the podcasts. I didn't get into them at first cos idk it's hard for me to get into stuff, but they're nice to have on. Idk jmo.
"Gluttony is not a physical weight issue, it's a spiritual weight issues" great now I don't just have to deal with unrealistic body standards now I have to deal with unrealistic soul standards
Actually, scratch that, I just realized I've been having to deal with unrealistic soul standards my entire life as a kid raised in evangelicalism
(High fives you if you are ok with a high five) SAME! It is so exhausting!
*Seeing the quote* I’m trying to avoid a potential pun here, but to whoever said that, what a load.
They are only impossible standards if you are lazy
@@jackwhite8238 sure, Jack, let's see that six pack. 🙄
@@vintagearisen I could, are you going to jerk off to it?
Funny how gluttony is always about food and never about hoarding wealth and power
Edit: It's been over a year stop correcting me I get an email every time you guys can't read the million comments in front of yours.
I dunno, that "White collar sins" sign up behind the one guy seems to indicate otherwise. It might be rare, but it is not "never".
@Life Slicer it really goes to show how redundant the 7DS are
@Life Slicer yeah, but why separate them when you could streamline and include them in the same word like a normal person?
@Life Slicer not as much as you'd think
They can't bite the hands that feed them by calling them out
The beginning on the treatment of poor people hits so close to home. We're okay now, but for about 3 years my family didn't have a dollar to our names. My husband, who had been the provider since I had our son, was injured badly enough he could no longer work, and at the time I just could not find work anywhere. It was Hell. Food stamps are what kept us alive.
I still vividly remember a time I went out with our son. He was only 3 at the time, and badly wanted some goldfish. We'd been psychotically practical about food purchases and we still had a bit on the card so, yeah, of course I got my 3yo some damn goldfish. A woman at the store in line saw my SNAP card and went off on me over the damn goldfish about how they were the reason I was fat (because clearly I was buying them for myself not the 3yo I was holding), how we were disgusting leeches, and how I should have my son taken away. Scared the shit out of my kid, and made an already miserable point in our lives much worse.
I also clearly remember the giant cross necklace she was wearing.
People are so fucking wild man. It's disgusting how many "Good Loving Christians" would love to see a struggling family starve, and their baby thrown in foster care.
So unkind! And un-christlike! And your poor son! Some people are so unnecessarily cruel. If I were in the line at the store with you, I'd have paid for a few more treats for your son and for you too.
Meanwhile here in evil liberal California I have never seen anyone treat each-other so poorly. The general feeling seems to be either "that could be me" or "that was me once". I also try to be extra kind to elderly folks around here who are using tons of coupons since they may very well be living on the edge of their means.
There's no hate quite as all-consuming and vitriolic as Christian love.
People can be so terrible in their ignorance. I hope things are better for you now. You are a good mom. People do the best they can.
If you where fat you didn't need food stamps.
THANK you for this series!
Fat-shaming DOES NOT "work". Study after study has proven this, and it's not hard to understand: making folks feel badly about themselves doesn't motivate, it's exactly the opposite. For many, it's crushing. And anyone rude enough to fat-shame someone doesn't care about that person, so can it with the flimsy excuses like "it shortens their lifespan" / "I 'care' about 'role models'". It's B.S. that proves itself wrong. It pushes many folks into disordered eating - "diets", sketchy supplements, substances, & of course ana/buli - and that is not "helping them", it's killing them. If they don't already have a history, they will, and the lifespan for those is terrifyingly short. Even for those skinny kids who were never "overweight" but it wasn't about fatness - like me, and like my friend who'd always been thin as a rail but her well-hidden ana&buli stole her from this world that never deserved such a beautiful person. I don't know how she had so much room in her heart, but she did, in spite of everything she'd been through in her short life. I miss her so much.
To anyone reading this who's desperate to be thinner, please don't resort to starving or purging. It's miserable and it's not worth it, and it's dead serious. And it is a slow, agonising end. (If the cardiac doesn't end you, then you'll languish in the hospital as all your organ systems start shutting down across days or weeks.)
"Love yourself first."
My condolences for your friend. I'm sorry for your loss, and hope you are doing okay. She seemed like a nice person.
It sucks having your own reality and self image twisted by your authority figures. Having to deprogram your own moral compass to achieve real progress is one of the saddest pieces of irony regarding our own psychology, imo. I really wish more people understood the double edged-nature of guilt and how many suffer because of it turning to shame.
Anyways, here's to a better life for you. Cheers.
@@erikstephens6370 Thank you, friend. ❤︎
@@mookinbabysealfurmittens You're welcome. My issue may be different, having ADHD and struggling to start tasks or stay on them instead of body issues. But I know the taste of malevolent shame all the same. Hope you are doing well. Thanks to you too.
@@erikstephens6370 Oo, I know ADHD. (I'm riddled with conditions & issues, heh.) Not trying to steal the spotlight, just wanting to note just in case: it's generally accepted that cognitive behavioural therapy ("CBT" - Safe Search on, lol) can be quite helpful for ADHDers. Also, "How To ADHD" is a great channel and the gal in front of [and behind] the camera is really gentle, kind, sweet, overall great for folks who may feel a bit... idk, bad, guilty, anxious, afraid, etc. (Just listing mine, anyway. Lol!) She's also very intelligent, remarkably incisive, and sensitive to intersectionality. And her voice is nice, at least to me. (I know many various neurodivergent folks can be sensitive to that.) OK, sorry, I'm not exactly on top of my ND brain. Working on it!
Cheers! And thank you again. My friend was a wonderful person, truly an angel (in the turn of phrase) with a fiery spirit and a selfless benevolence that showed in her loyalty to friends and kindness to strangers. I'll not waffle on again, but I can't even get into all the horrors she faced. A screenwriter would call it "too much". My only consolation is that nobody can ever hurt her anymore. I loved her so much, but I couldn't protect her. ;_; I'm sorry, dw about it. She would want me to live a happy life, and you too. Enjoy the little things, and be gracious to yourself & celebrate your victories, no matter how small.
*TL;DR = cheers, friend!* (You don't have to read all that.)
We all are part of a single body. _Tis obese and it has autoimmune disease_
The only way to be healthy is social honesty in radical doses and universal love. It's closer to this comment than anything else. And blaming the individual is just covering the problem.
“Junk food can’t fix your problems!”
Well, invisible man in the sky can’t do that either - so I might as well just get the dopamine rush from the fudge brownies than try to get a straight answer from the invisible man…
Yeah, my blood sugar dropped and relying on sky daddy just made me nauseous. Bite of a candy bar would have gotten me right enough to make a proper meal. Instead, I got a visit to the emergency room for anti-emetics.
Same here. I'm tired of hearing people say I need to pray to heal my chronic pain. I rather just eat my frozen yogurt and be happy 😊😁
a sad life based on materialistic things. faith gives you a goal in life instead of stuffing as much food as you can into your mouth.
@@mantheman11 Yeah - faith can give you a goal, but is it a goal worth pursuing? In my experience, the answer is a resounding "no." If I need a dopamine rush from consuming a brownie every now and then, I will do so and I won't experience any shame from doing so.
@@mantheman11I could never have been faithful simply because I love the same sex. There are reasons why people don't believe, and sometimes it's you.
Fun fact about the frog in a boiling kettle analogy...the study found that the frog would only stay in the pot as the water was slowly boiled if their brain stem was first cut. If the frog was in full control of their facilities, they would leave the pot when the water got uncomfortably hot.
yeah! also if you throw a frog into boiling water, it's legs are going to be too damaged to jump out anyway.
a better analogy would be tarantulas, tarantula keepers always say you shouldn't put a heating pad on the bottom because tarantulas burrow to cool down, but if the heating pad is on the bottom they don't realize they're cooking themselves. that's why you should put it on the side of the enclosure so they have a warm side and a cool side :)
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I feel like it works with my moronic plants during the summer. They will move themselves closer and closer to a sun in 100 degree weather and be shocked that they get burnt
I have a great example of this from my private Christian school experience. We took a field trip to an orchard run by a church member, and he said each kid could pick a bag of apples for free. I loved apples and got all excited… thinking about sharing all the apples with friends and family. I picked an apple for about every person I knew. 😂 The pastor’s wife saw little me trying to carry this heavy bag of apples and just started yelling at me for being a greedy little child.
I feel like there’s a level of projection there, that this woman could not imagine you grabbing all this stuff to share and not to selfishly horde to yourself.
lol that's some serious "making an ass of you and me" stuff right there.
At the very least she should have half-jokingly asked "are you going to eat all of those?" to which you could have given her some clarification.
Wow even as a christian i think its crazy
I grew up with my food being very controlled by my mom and fat shamed by my dad. If I ate an apple one day I wasn’t allowed to eat a banana because that would be too much sugar. My mom counted out the amount of grapes I was allowed to have and would constantly order one item of food for the two of us to share, leaving me hungry every time. It wasn’t until about a year ago that I discovered that the rest of the world believes that oatmeal is good for you which shocked me because we were only allowed to eat oatmeal on special ocasiones (too many carbs). Anyway, my point is that now I struggle a lot with binge eating. I was never allowed to listen to my body and now it’s really difficult for me to know when I’m hungry and especially when I’m full. I’ve been working on it and it takes a lot of self love and patience. These types of messages are incredibly counterproductive and harmful.
i relate to that a lot, my parents always told me i was eating too much when i'm 6"4 and i just needed a lot more food than them, and they always made me eat "healthy" food like veggies and stuff. I was literally starving because they never let me eat enough, and now living on my own i try my best to find how to fix my relationship with food. So far my best result has been making good looking food, because it does help me eat that i feel like my food is something i'm proud of making, and that makes it easier for me to look forward to a meal
I WENT. THROUGH THE EXACT. SAME. THING. holy shit, growing up like this messes you up so much. it's so difficult to regulate your own eating habits.
@@flops1792do you think only tall people need more food, i'm 1,64 and i need about 4000 - 4500 kcal per day, i think i'm hobbit 😂
"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." Robert Heinlein.
Also, you are so right about licorice.
Robert Heinlein was also a weird homophobe and sexist, so I’d take that quote with a grain of salt. Still a good quote though.
@@AshleyBreads Every point of wisdom ever gleaned from this world was done so by flawed human beings. Even the worst people in history had a few good ideas. We should take the good ideas and eschew the bad ones regardless of who came up with them.
Someone saying something doesn't make it true. This statement is far too simplified to the point of being ridiculous. Life has for more context then that.
Well, that's technically right since it's a dichotomy, though not very thought provoking or profound. Of course its either option a or not option a.
Edit: why did I say it's a tautology I'm so fucking stupid
One of my co-workers is a larger person (I've not heard them identify as "fat", so I'll refrain from that terminology). We went out for dinner when I was in training, and I chose a regional fast-food chain. We both ordered a meal and a milkshake, then sat down to eat and talk. We had a great time!
Near the end of our meal, my co-worker said, "yeah, I know I probably don't need all that food, but..." I interrupted her and said, "I chose this place because it's what I wanted, and we both ate exactly what our bodies needed."
Gluttony culture is insidious
Your coworker probably ate way more than their body needed. Fat is fat
My partner is fat and they consistently eat less food than I do. They probably eat healthier than I do on a regular basis, also. Their sugar intake is far more controlled than mine. They don't actually like sugary treats like me and my family!
@@aazhie Yeah, as a rotund person myself it is always frustrating to see people who eat more than me and exercise less and yet they are skinny and I am not. I'm glad that scientists are looking into these oddities and finding out that "calories in, calories out" in not the be-all and end-all.
@@aazhie people often don't t understand that weight gain and loss isn't only about what you eat, it has so many other factors, how well you sleep, the time you sleep, how much water you drink, hormones, medicines.
People judge from appearance and I know so many skinny people who eat like shit and have health problems related to it.
I take issue with saying fast food is exactly what the body needs. The link between highly processed foods and heart disease is clear, people are healthier when they have a varied diet with more vegetables. You can be honest without shaming people for their weight
I was considering going back to church when I discovered this channel, and I’m glad so. I was reminded by all the reason I left when I was just a teenager, because even at that younger age I knew about so many bad practices and shitty people it held and created. I was also reminded that the problem isn’t having faith in something higher than me, but the people wanting to bully and have power over others using faith as their method. This channel ironically saved more than Christianity ever did and have helped me heal and cry and yell about feelings I pushed down because I didn’t want to look like the raging atheist teenager in a phase. So thank you guys, you’ve always got my support and I hope more people who need to hear these points find y’alll like I did
I really dislike the angry atheist stereotype.
It implicitly assumes that people don't have legitimate things to be angry about. IME, that is seldom the case.
But because it's a meme now, it forces people into the closet when what they need is catharsis and understanding.
A handful of bad actors turned the whole thing into an identity for profit and everyone suffers as a result.
Bad meme. Not very real.
Always nice to see folks who were helped. It's so sad that religious people assume atheists are self centered. It's no more common in non religious people than theists and religious folks.
I hope, if you were considering returning to church to find community, that you find a genuine source of that elsewhere! The church deffo benefits from the lack of similarly well-known secular sources for this, and I worry it leads to an idea that belonging or inclusion comes at the price of conformity or compromising on your beliefs. Support shouldn't come at the cost of your genuine ideals and sense of self, and it's unfortunate that the church benefits from this false dichotomy. ❤
@@rainbowkrampus yeah I’m done being an angry atheist and just starting my own religion called Tadaism so I can show Christians and Muslims in real time how their prophets probably put together the story. We only need a few hundred people to bear witness to Harry potters magic sacrifice and resurrection. Then wel’ll have as much evidence for this new religion as Christians claim their sources had for the gospels they base the whole thing around. The Holy Text from Good Wizard can transform religious fundamentalists into hardcore skeptics when you cite it at them like they like to cite their scripture. That’s just one aspect of the “word magic” of Good Wizard’s magic Word.
@@blondequijote Can I interest you in our holy savior, Spider-Man?
May his spidey sense ever tingle.
I still struggle with my self-talk whenever I binge a show or use all my free time playing a game. I'm trying to retrain my brain to recognize necessary "play" and "rest" instead of mislabeling them as "gluttony" and "laziness."
Guys. I didn't know how to **rest** without guilt. It still blows my mind.
It's been helpful to think of it as "disordered resting" or "disordered productivity." It makes it less about morals and more about a health condition
Hard same
Thats’s awful, and this is an increasingly secular attitude too. Hustle culture perpetuates the idea that if you aren’t being productive you’re wasting your time
Good on you for trying to rewire your brain. I see my mom as one of those people who will never take time to properly rest and take care of herself. I hope someday she will come to the same sort of epiphany you've had, but I'm accepting the very strong possibility that she's just going to work herself to death. I love her, and if religion enriches her life, then I want her to have it, but I hate the way she is taken advantage of and pushed too hard by the people at and the attitudes perpetuated by her church.
@@notNajimi thank you, Capitalism, lololol siiiigh
Gah TRUTH! I had the same issue with "fun"...realised at 26 in therapy I didn't do a single thing purely for fun...wild
I grew up super religious (Catholic), BUT my family was also Italian, sooo … I’m grateful that our cultural background and love of good food canceled out any of the gluttony preaching nonsense in my childhood. 😅 Keep that food shaming away from my cannolis!!!
Off topic but what are Cannolis?
@@ematic0054 Italian pastries
Catholics don’t have this problem the same as evangelicals. We have periods of fasting, but we also know how to party 😂
@@bridgetgress Most Catholics know that partying is part of life.
Unfortunately, while Irish Catholics do party, too often Irish Catholicism guilts about partying...
My anorexic brain would have definitely considered anything near a normal intake as gluttony. I did hear a sermon mentioning controlling your appetite and felt superiorly self controlled.
And this is why I have the same fears whenever I buy something that might look a little fancy or more expensive with my food stamp card I start thinking is everyone in line or the cashier going to judge me? This is so effed up. When I first started receiving food stamps I was even afraid to buy ground coffee or a box of tea in case they were going to lecture me for not buying "food".
Maybe do not abuse the SNAP benefits then? No one cares about coffee or tea. It is legitimately garbage "food" like chips or soda that frustrates people.
As someone who is now agnostic but grew up in a christian household, is going to a catholic high school, and has been negatively impacted by beliefs like the ones you talk about, I'm so grateful for your videos. They're very comforting to me, and make me feel more comfortable in myself. Your closing words always leave me feeling hopeful for my life beyond christianity and the judgement of my family. Thank you.
ex-fundie diaries is another good deconstruction channel I watch.
if gluttony is over indulgence, then these pastors are definitely over indulging with their private jets
Mark Clark makes me want to commit all 7 deadly sins out of spite.
That fake Alex Jones voice he uses is fucking enraging.
Same here. He’s so obnoxious!
I don't know how Trevor sorts through all these clips for hours. I'd have to be medicated for hypertension
Same here, but based on the previous videos, I've been committing all of them already
I'm just worried that all that spittle he flings when he's talking will someday make its way through the screen and hit me square in the face.
"Jesus is the bread of life!!"
No thanks, I'm celiac, that shit tears up my intestines.
Fun fact: at least in the Roman Catholic Church it was said bread without weat isn’t bread…
the Christian idea that "you are not your own" really frustrated me as a kid. because not only was I not my own by god's standards, I wasn't my own by my parents standards either. these ideas that I have no agency over myself or my life is partially the reason I am an atheist today and I also do not talk to my parents. I'm not going to live a life where I'm told that no one has to respect my autonomy. I'm over that.
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Ooof relatable
I do like the definition my dad(a small church Protestant pastor) gave: he’d say consume WHAT you want but “gluttony” is when overconsumption of anything becomes harmful to others, like if someone becomes abusive when they drink too much,
or something is consumed at the expense of others like TV mega church pastors asking for more donations they clearly keep for themselves
Just interesting thought 🤷♀️
That is an interesting thought. I'm not really used to hearing good messages come from pastors, but your dad sounds like one of the good ones
Remember kids. If you see someone stealing food. No you didn’t
Depends on the situation tbh
I stole food once , I didn't have any money, I was too ashamed to call my parents and I was starving. A lady was eating bread and when she looked away for a minute, I snatched her bread and ran ...
I still feel ashamed
@@littlesunshine4591 the companies throw away 30-40% of food unsold and overall keep process needlessly high. If someone is desperate I can’t hold judgement.
@@littlesunshine4591 *Les Miserables theme intensifies*
@@miimamwez eh if it's food you're stealing, don't say anything, you steal cars by choice, not food
Talking about genetics, did you know that some events like the potato famine in Ireland, where thousands of people died from starvation, changed the genetics of the population so severely that those decendents still easily create and store fat cells.
Right? These people act like countless generations of genetic adaptations to help us avoid starvation aren't a thing. Nature _wants_ us fat. That's why we don't suddenly lose the desire to eat the moment we've consumed enough calories to live and maintain a "normal" weight. Because that fat, as far as your biology is concerned, is the difference between life and death in times of scarcity, and the more of it you have, the better. It doesn't matter that food is abundant and readily available to most of us these days. That biological hardwiring and drive that helped our species survive for the overwhelming majority of our existence doesn't just go away because we've had plenty to eat for a single century.
I discovered this channel a week ago and grew up with the same story as you and listening to these has helped me realize almost all of my hangs up are from Christianity and its nice realizing there are millions of people out there that feel and think the same way I do.
Dude, same. It was like a knife driving into my heart and hearing the hypocrisy called out was so healing.
@@hildia5439 yes. It has been like having a weight lifted and allowed be to go back and look from a different prospective. Finally realized it's not all my fault and it's really like being in an abusive relationship.
I think it would be interesting to also do a series on a secular interpretation of these sins. For example if I think about how gluttony is sinful what I think about isn't low income people eating McDonald's but more about the contrast between food waste in wealthy countries and hunger in poorer countries, or how some foods that are seen as status symbols like foie gras require methods that are abusive to animals or harmful to the environment.
Tldr I definitely think there are ways that people cause serious harm because they want to eat food they don't need and that would be interesting to discuss.
Another sin that could easily be reworded to be significantly less toxic and judgemental is pride. Simply calling it arrogance removes nearly all the misanthropic connotations around it.
Yeah well even though that is interesting, since an secular interpretation isnt coming from one viewpoint. For example the point you gave is pretty good, but also says its the system that is wrong. There no individual involved.
But to be honest i also thought about what an secular view of the sins should be. But that going to be pretty hard. Maybe we could see it more as an addiction, so drugs or eating isn't bad. But using it in an way you become addicted to it, then it becomes an problem.
I agree with what Martian said; it would be very interesting to discuss this topic from a secular point of view, because of the ethical implications of how we source our food and how unethical it is to waste so much. Too many people go hungry whilst so many tonnes of food go to waste every day! And the abuse of animals for food is probably something that our descendants will look upon unfavourably, and rightly so.
Yeah a great example is stuff like caviar or shark fin soup, they are seen as delicacies but come at the expense of animals who are deemed vulnerable to over-harvesting very easily. Caviar is usually collected by gutting female sturgeon and taking their eggs thus prevent the life cycle of the species from continuing yet people still doing it despite it basically killing their job. Meanwhile hunting sharks for just their fins is incredibly wasteful and attacks animals who naturally are at low concentrations then prey fish we happily overfish.
Yet not many people care about this cause well it is tradition and status. Sturgeons are important bottom dwellers they carry nutrients back upstream and are valuable predators and all sharks are valuable for their environment.
@@boiankoYeah, confidence and self-esteem is one thing, arrogance is another. In fact, a lot of the sins seem to be about losing control of aspects of our mind that are healthy in moderation: lust is uncontrolled passion, greed and envy are ambition, wrath for justice, gluttony for enjoyment, and sloth for repose/satisfaction.
When I was having my massive depressive episode during the pandemic I lost a lot of weight cause some days the simple act of eating was too much effort. Can I just say nobody noticed that I was struggling with depression, but everyone noticed that I lost weight.
Happened to me last year, friend. Got really sick and lost a ton of weight because i couldnt eat. Its so gross how people dont notice struggles just weight. Im sorry you went through that
I lost 80 lbs pretty quickly after my dad died. Nobody wants to talk about my dad basically killing himself with his diabetes within a year of retiring, but everyone wants to know what I did to lose so much weight 🙃
Went through some tough times in the 90s and reached out for some help from the Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder Day Saints. I was a member at that time and it was the most humiliating thing that has ever happened to me. The church sent in people to “teach” me and my ex-wife about everything; from budgeting to healthy living. These were people from our ward (congregation) and they just happened to be better off than me. No training, no schooling, no licenses… We were being judged and told what to do….including not eating so much… My ex was a little larger than many and it was hard for her because she had been teased as a kid for her weight. Their superior, holier-than-thou attitudes… F**K THOSE PEOPLE!
There is a reason social workers need schooling and licensing and is why churches should NOT be using laypeople to “help” those in need. It’s a form of control and authoritativeness and it’s disgusting.
I can relate a lot to the comment made about no one being too concerned with your precieved health when you are unhealthy underweight or losing rapidly. During 2020 I developed Fibromyalgia and severely lost weight when I already didn't have much to lose. So many middle aged, often "larger", women would get mad if I commented on trying to gain weight to be healthy again. I get it their frustration, but still. It was pretty annoying at the time.
Some of these clips gave me a real physical sense of anxiety, like a gut punch. I've overheard it myself from employee gossip walking around in the grocery store. You don't get the food stamp card unless you go there and can prove that you're in need. And sometimes people who really are in need make $1 too much to qualify and their whole family is screwed. These people are just lashing out because they hate their jobs and they're struggling themselves when they really should be being compassionate. This is class discrimination. It makes me sick.
Got denied over $10. Haven't had the heart to try and get rejected again.
I think it's more poverty-shaming than class discrimination. I've seen and heard plenty of working-class poor muhfkrs bash on welfare and welfare recipients. But I think you said something there when you said people lash out because they hate their jobs and struggling themselves. They know they're one injury or illness away from being homeless. Dedicated to their job and can still only barely afford the store brand necessities much less anything nice or fun. "Nice" and "fun" are luxuries. In the US, especially in the South, people have a fkd up relationship with work. Inwardly, they hate how hard they have to work to get back so little but they think they're supposed to be grateful, even _love_ it, because Murica. Livin' the dream - life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness... until ya need take a personal day. Me personally, I think Errico Malatesta was right... about everything.
@@woodygilson3465 I'd like to point out that class discrimination is based on one's level of poverty. And yes, many people in this country have deluded themselves with the American dream. It's more a drug than a dream.
You know what's worse than growing up with a Christian parent who shames you for eating what you want? A Christian parent who is also in the medical field and uses their job and patients to shame you for eating what you want. And then when you call them out for affecting how they've affected your relationship with food, they call you sensitive and immature. So cool, love it.
@lifeslicer6698 fr, I lost weight eating pizza every day because I finally got out of my household that overfed me.
It took me a while to learn and realize that both sides of the coin have their own struggles.
You hang in there bud
I hear "Life is not for pleasure" and similar things all the timem. I am still yet to see any of those conservative Christians say that sex outside fertile period is a sin.
I live in New Mexico where Skip Heitzig lives. He and his wife and son came into where I worked frequently. They were the most greedy, proud, glutinous consumers. Every time they walked in it made my day worse. They got mad one time because we were busy and they "needed to get to their jet to fly to Tuscany". Like, Mister, I am sorry you're not the only customer.
As a Wal-Mart cashier who's so poor I have to subsist on EBT, these stories about cashiers publicly shaming customers for using EBT to buy "crap" makes me irrationally angry (HOW ELSE CAN YOU BUY JUNK FOOD IN THIS DAY AND AGE!? ALL MY ACTUAL MONEY GOES STRAIGHT TO RENT!!)
Mabe they are married but the husband/wife is still not making enough so one of them has to work as a cashier on the side
As a customer service manger all I have to ask is how are these people not fired on the spot its like rule number one "Don't insult the customers"
Your comment is hilariously poetic. The fact that you cannot see the problem with abusing EBT while also being on EBT is *exactly the problem keeping you poor*. Junk food is literally a waste of your time, health, and life. The issue is these poor people have no financial literacy hence, spending money on garbage when they should be saving it. Tax payers pay for these programs with the intent of getting recipients OFF THE PROGRAM. When stories of poor people continuing to make poor decisions even when they are given handouts is what annoys people because that clearly does not deserve it.
@@0ThrowawayAccount0 Shut the hell up. Dude. Poor decisions. Handouts. Bullshit, all of it-- the reason people need the help is so they aren't completely destitute from the rent that's too high eating the vast bulk of their wages that are too low. And you chastise them for a few dollars because they're not living like *monks?!* Get your head out of your manicured ass. The amount of money they could save isn't going to get them out of poverty. You just want people to be miserable. Get the hell out of here.
I'm just dropping by to say that you are attractive. My mother told me daily that I was ugly, but it isn't true. Neither is it true for you.
And I've been noticing that the longer you've gone taking care of yourself, the more confidence you've had, and the more attractive you become.
You are a good-looking man! Don't let their bs keep you artificially humble. You don't deserve that.
Edit: p.s. it really pisses me off when people talk about gluttony as if it is weight related. For most people, my diet would cause them to gain loads of weight.
I have to eat 4,000 calories per day because I have an overactive metabolism. My diet is gluttonous, but because it's necessary and I'm thin it's OK.
Where as someone who is dieting and trying their best to shed pounds would be shamed by these A-holes, for eating less than half of what I eat? NO! Bodies are different! Big bodies are just as beautiful as small bodies. I married my husband when he weighed the most, and my boyfriend (yes I'm poly) isn't a thin man either. All bodies are beautiful!
Also, I know a person who would be considered overweight and has amazing flexibility and strength (fae're a hobbyist pole dancer).
@Ray D Greenwald exactly! I mean, my boyfriend is a big dude. But he's also a BJJ champion... so his body is an incredibly athletic body. And sexy as hell to me lol 😅
Coincidentally, that pastor who was plagiarizing that sermon also lifted that whole bit about blessing unhealthy food and it "changing into a salad on the way down" from a christian stand up comedian, Tim Hawkins. Pretty much word for word
The skinniest ive ever been was because i was addicted to adderal and coke. But damn -the compliments I got on how “healthy” i looked. I was anything but.
I was at my scrawniest when I came back from having multiorgan failure for years and finally a liver transplant due to alcoholism. When I finished enough physical rehab to start going back to work, others also complimented me on my weight and health, when all I had done was go from a huge, swollen "beer belly" to an emaciated walking corpse. 😅
Get real. People value a lean body because a lean body is better than an obese one.
Thank you again for these videos, Trevor. You're incredible.
I keep flashing back to childhood in the church. I was a fat kid, I overate, I still over eat when I'm stressed. It took years to work out it's because of trauma.
It's funny how often someone seeking comfort through food will be blamed for being selfish when the alternative is fear and shame. Maybe they think if the shame is the same before and after it'll stop?
I’m sorry that you’ve dealt with so many shitty people in your life. I admire you for what you’re doing here on UA-cam sir. Your content has been a great resource for me in my deconversion/deconstruction journey
So awful of that person to insult you like that at the end of an already uncomfortable exchange. It is uncomfortable knowing someone who is willing to speak like that is in a position of authority over church folk.
I'm definitely a little bit overweight. I've been stuck at 200lbs, give or take a maximum of 20 lb in either direction, since I was 12. My parents, unable to get my mental health illnesses properly diagnosed decided the best thing to do was to put me in a kid's mental health hospital. I came out entirely traumatized with worst mental health but that's a whole different story. But while I was in there they put me on medications and I went from being a skinny normal twelve-year-old kid to a 200lb twelve-year-old who suddenly had extreme body issues and I still can't get that weight off from the medications I was put on 14 years ago. I have severe anxiety now I'm dealing with a lot of self-hatred over the way I look and the way that people make me feel about how I look. I barely leave my house anymore.
The fact you were openly snacking during this video is one of the reasons you're the BEST!
The whole gluttony thing really forces one to ask: _what even is sin at this point?_
'Cause let's be real... if you've gotten to "I don't like the way you enjoy food" then it's clearly not in any way about "doing harm to God or others", it's just about the accuser's own sense of social superiority and constructing an out-group. (Also isn't God supposedly experiencing the whole universe at once all the time? What a glutton.)
Lol, this reminds me of that darkmatter2525 video where Jeffrey asks god: if he’s all knowing, does he know what it feels to snort a line of coke off the ass of a hooker? 😂
@@pansepot1490 The Bible says that God is equivalent to a human who has eaten both the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil _and_ the Fruit of Life.
So... God's a very naughty boy, apparently.
@@Zahaqiel shit so where's the other fruit? We gotta ascend and replace god with someone who's cool
@@Illitha God's been hoarding it apparently.
...What a glutton. :P
I was cracking up over that bag of Doritos. So perfectly timed. *crunch crunch crunch* Needed a good laugh this morning. Thanks for that.
Thank you for including the Little Miss sunshine clip. I thought that was body shaming before body shaming was a thing.
I love that you're just eating snacks throughout this. It really helps subvert these people's Jesus brand fatphobia/diet culture/body negativity. =) Also, my mom loves red licorice twists.
This video makes me hungry. Im gonna make myself some toast now, thanks!
For real though this shit is so toxic. Ive been (close to) underweight my whole life and these types of messages really really hurt people like me also
Yeah, as an insecure fatty, I was always defensive and insulting to thin people. Not col! It took me getting the concept that I'm not "bad" for being fat to stop being mean and judgy towards thin people.
I was on the same boat until I became an adult. Now I'm actually the weight I should be and don't faint randomly any more, but the amount of people that comment on how fat I've gotten is infuriating. If it's not one thing, it's the other.
One of the deadly sins that actually makes you feel like dying.
OMG that "someone who doesn't care about looks" guy can just -f- hecc _all_ the way off! Not just rude, but also false! You have such a lovely charm to you and I hope you're taking good care of yourself. And as ever, thanks again for another awesome video, and for the smiles and your incisive insight & wit.
Even if he _was_ unattractive, though, that's still a fucked up thing to say unprompted
I know, I was absolutely appalled at that guy's arrogance to say such a thing. As if he were George Clooney or Brad Pitt or something. Trevor is a lot cuter than that obnoxious jerk!
@@Gloomdrake Exactly! Even if, just all the more uncalled for and so needless!
@@deliawebster2142 And how!
I suddenly realized how much the “gluttony” shaming is subconsciously effecting my life, judging myself and how I did others. I left religion 20 years ago.
P.S. ❤Ghost Trap
As for me I left religion five years ago
Yay! This is the best series on UA-cam. The compassion, heart and genuineness you have. Wow. Thank you 💕
Skip Heitzig at 10:20 was my pastor through my teen years. What a crazy thing to see him again 30 years later.
Wow. I thought "Pride" was the best of the series--to me, like on a personal level--then this one happened! Honestly, that's kinda been the way of it ever since I discovered this channel.
i cannot express how much i love these videos! it's really helpful to look at christianity from this perspective after having been born into this religion and trying to leave it
As a fat person, thank you for this! I definitely think you should expound more on the "telling poor people what to do" and specifically what to eat! That could be it's own video. I am fat, poor, and me and my family are all nuerospicy and have food allergies and aversions. I have the holy grail of things people can't help but comment incessantly on. The food wars become exhausting.
My skinniest kid eats the most "junk" but those are his safe foods and he is autistic with ARFID. My safe foods are veggies mostly. But I am fat. The amount of times I've been food shamed at the register for buying my kids' safe foods and not mine because I can't afford them, is ridiculous. I live in the Bible belt. Most of not all of that shame comes from Christians.
Also, I know this is a nebulous topic, but the church's concern trolling is such obvious rubbish. Dietary needs and restrictions are different for everybody, as does everyone's ability to access, purchase, store, and make food. There are plenty of times that I've had a blistering migraine or pregnancy related illness/disability and still had to parent and function, which meant I ordered take out because the options were eat take out or not eat because I just didn't have anything left in me to cook a whole ass meal. Add to this, going to a food pantry for food (I do) often gives us a box of totally unrelated, expired or about to expire, food items that I need to cook soon and still need to buy ingredients for at the store to complete. Sometimes I can't do that and using my hoarded gift cards and rewards points at Wendy's is both more cost effective and healthy for me and my family and being shamed for it is beyond fucking obnoxious. Super size that drink so all five of my kids can share lemonade.
Lastly, thanks for another amazing and validating episode.💜💜
I hope you get better soon
As a ✨spicy✨ brained individual who is also very poor and has food aversions I relate intensely to you and your kiddos. I desperately hope that things get better and easier for you. Making sure your kiddos get their safe foods and are eating is so important and I know from myself when I was a kid how difficult that can be.
lol, neurospicy. I'm totally stealing that!
I have adhd and I live with my autistic son and dil. My son has ibs, and I have ibd, so between us we have a lot of aversions and intolerances. We also live on disability due to other health issues (I am visually impaired and I have arthritis and fibro) I'm fat but I eat less food and healthier food than my son and dil. Mostly because I have an intolerance to sugar. One tip I can offer is to buy seconds/rejects fruit and veg if you can find them, and slow cooker freezer meals are a life saver. We are also lucky that my dil is obsessed with chickens, she wanted to get them as soon as she moved in and she takes good care of them, so we get regular eggs in exchange for kitchen scraps.
You spoil your kids rotten. You are actively making their future lives much worse.
I have gotten shamed for buying more expensive dairy free, vegan foods with my food stamps. But I have dietary restrictions. The person doing the shaming didn't know that. They just saw a poor person buying the more expensive options with their foodstamps.
I so appreciate the work you put into this! It really helps me dig back through and recontextualize what I had believed growing up.
Religion really tried to fill in our understanding of mental health before that field was further developed. It's really unfortunate that their practices exacerbate eating disorders (demonize binge eating, glorify restrictive eating disorders), and try to push appearance as a proxy for moral worth. Or the line it tries to draw between the mind and body in pushing cravings as irrelevant information your body is signaling that your mind must ignore. Instead, we know that we should value our body and learn from what it's signaling (understanding that our mind is a part of our body as well, mental health is health).
Nowadays, rather than trying to fill in our understanding of mental health, they openly and unabashedly compete with it.
Damn, I felt so bad for Jonah Hill, people can be so casually cruel. Men struggle with body image too and it's important to just be kind.
It’s really interesting how the only way I was finally able to get sober was to try to take the shame OUT of the equation. Shame is not the great motivator these people think it is, they just keep adding more and more and trying to add more and more self hatred not realizing just how paralyzing it is. 🙄
And it’s still something I struggle with, especially when the self hatred flares up. I don’t drink but definitely overeat sometimes when I’m not feeling good about myself.
Also judging people on food stamps for what they are buying with their food stamps which are for FOOD should be it’s own deadly sin. I can’t even. Ugh.
This is so true! If someone hates themselves, why would they care if their habits were unhealthy? They're more likely to become self-destructive!
I went to the grocery store 2 days ago- we were out of alot of things but I took a list, so I wasn't just buying random crap. I'm usually pretty good at estimating, and I ALWAYS get the cheapo brands when possible.
I spent TWICE what I thought I would. I had to bust into the cash I had just pulled for rent. Thank gawd I could cover it, and I have family that can help if needed.
But I felt so ashamed, like I can BARELY afford food. And if I didn't have a safety net I'd be in a panic. My anxiety has been super bad- like I had to take time off bad. And it just added to my fears & guilt.
This actually made me feel MUCH better. Like it's not just me this is happening to. I remember being thankful I'm petite and don't eat much. Which is pretty fed up on rexaminination.
Anyway I needed this. Thank you. 💜
"Uh... any other questions? That are smart?" loved that
My whole life people have bulied telling themselves it's a positive thing if the person is fat, I genuinely thought I was a bad person because of my appearance which doesn't make any sense, ALSO I love how you ate throughout this video you're AWESOME!!
Another absolute gem of a video. Thank you so much for sharing your creativity and passion with us!
I have to live off of food stamps and I never, ever use anything but self-checkout for exactly the reasons at the start of the video. People really hate poor and disabled people and it's the most mortifying, embarassing, anxiety-inducing thing.
I've been on food stamps. I would never judge anyone no matter what they bought. Times are tough enough,let people have their treats
You know, I'm a pretty critical person. I usually find it a good thing, examining everything closely. It does lead to me being critical of other people pretty often, something I really should do less, but I can't remember a single time I stopped to question someone else's food consumption.
I feel like you've really got to be looking for something to criticize to go there.
I wish this Christian enegry against overeating would be the same on the rich but like how that sin is ignored
Great video! Enjoying the series. It’s hilarious to see pastors borrowing each others bad points. It’s a case of the blind leading the blind.
I love this channel. I found it like...2-3 months ago? and I binged all the episodes. Thank you for this amazing content!
“binged” I see what you did there
30:30 there is divine irony in Piers Morgan of all people telling someone else they shouldn't be on TV because they're sending a bad message and being a bad role model.
18:11 I just realised he said the 6th comandment. THE 6TH THE ONLY ONE ALL PEOPLE KNOW: *THOU SHALL NOT MURDER*
I remember when I was a kid I was watching the bonus features for the Newsboys music video A Million Pieces. Not only was the music video bizzare and made me strangely emotional as a sensitive kid. The subliminal messaging really impacted me. The visual of how they portrayed gluttony in the video made me feel guilty. I still feel leftover guilt sometimes when I eat any fast food because of that impact.
Oddly enough, I actually felt comfortable buying raspberries for the first time, because of a food stamps card. Now I really love raspberries and buy them often.
I hate how people expect the poor to not enjoy their lives in the slightest. Joy shouldn’t be conditional, especially for children.
Ohhhhh, so that's why they don't help people who can't afford a meal! Because of gluttony! I mean, imagine if they had enough to eat. Then food would become their God, right?
Wow, I'm so relieved now. How Christlike of them.
I watched this spread over my shift today, and in defiance of the shame I was feeling, I ate my breakfast and lunch while finishing this. I was in Overeaters Anonymous for a few years, and this is the exact shit that fucked me up. I had to give my hunger to god because I could not be trusted with food. I had no agency over my body, and my weight was intrinsically linked to my moral standing. So I had cake with my black coffee, and a full fat sandwich for lunch, both considered "wrong" foods. Being kind and letting myself eat tasty things means I don't feel the need to binge. While I haven't lost weight, I haven't gained and I don't hate myself every moment of every day.
One day, I would love to have your take on twelve step programs. I'm someone who has stayed sober despite the actual harm I've received from trying to force myself into that ridged system. I thought that it was the first time I belonged anywhere, but I thought I was broken because I couldn't "give myself over to a power greater than myself". For all they tried to say they weren't religious, there was definitely a doctrine and I am still trying to unlearn some of the shit that was drilled into me.
I'm not even done this episode yet but I ADORE how you eat snacks throughout the video. Thank you for being amazing.
as a person who developed a binge eating disorder in order to cope with depression, people telling me that i’m eating too much doesn’t fucking help. like i’m already fucking aware.
my relationship with food is so fucked up from the messaging i keep seeing on the internet that it’s hard to even eat more than one meal a day.
Who else got a Noom ad while watching this :’)
High quality as always!
I'd like to hear what pastor John Hagee has to say about gluttony, seeing as he's a rotund fella.... It's so funny how it's so easy for these preachers to judge other people when they avoid criticising faults that point to their own actions 😉📸
"It leaded me in the path of Burger King" was not something I expected to hear today, but I'm definitely gonna be saying it in my head next time I pass by a Burger King.
I asked a Christian once, if fat people go automatically to hell.
She said no, that her family has this saying: It isn't important what comes into your mouth, but what comes out of it.
Basically, you can eat what you want but don't say mean things. She was really mean anyway.
Wow, the segment on Jonah Hill was eye opening.
The essay videos are pure gold!!! Thank you so much for them.
After watching this series from the first video, I think that you have quite the journey and analysis of how far off base Christianity has gotten over what each sin is or even means. I wouldn't be surprised if you did a video on melancholy and vanity, since those were separate sins up until the dark or middle ages in Europe and the all nine of them didn't overlap each other like a Vin diagram.
I can never wrap my head around why americans think food stamps are shameful. Are you mad you're keeping your neighbours alive and fed...?
No, because to them being poor is inherently shameful.
@@FiveFoxesInATrenchcoat Combining the power of capitalism with the power of "meritocracy" rhetoric is one of the most evil tactics I've encountered in my life.
There are people in all countries who think being rich shows you’re morally superior and therefore the poor are just lazy or stupid. That way they din5 have to do anything like sorting out fair pay or taxing excessive wealth
@@FiveFoxesInATrenchcoat Same reasoning why people "don't want to pay for anyone else's healthcare" or housing or cell phone/Internet service or, y'know, stupid and totally unnecessary stuff like that.
I just hope they don't use public roadways, public amenities like parks, the mail service, or public education (including student loans) either, because in all cases they're relying on someone else's money for it. Oh no! 😱
I honestly think that as a Christian if someone is poor I should help them. Also I'm told to give to Caesar what is Caesar so I'm not going to complain about taxes.
As someone who grew up at Willow Creek Community Church, I absolutely love seeing you tear apart some of their sermons in this video. Thank you for adding me in my deeper understanding of why I left this church and the faith 🖤
Me, clicking on this as I get up for some after-midnight snacks.....
These videos are definitely a step up from your older videos. Good work!
This one hit close to home for me. I have anhedonia. I'm unable to feel any kind of joy or pleasure or satisfaction from anything. The only thing that makes me feel anything even slightly positive, even for a brief time, is sugar. Now I'm trying to lose weight seriously, and it's difficult to describe just how hard it is to give up the one source of comfort in your life.
Damn, that must be an incredibly difficult and frustrating situation. I feel for you and wish you the best. Is the adhedonia permanent?
@@weezieyo Not sure. Usually it's a symptom of a different condition like depression or schizophrenia, but in my case it just seems to be a neurological issue on its own. Like I am depressed, but the anhedonia came first. So there aren't a lot of treatments specifically for that
I love these videos I rewatch every new video 4,5,6 times back-to-back
Thanks for this video. It certainly helps out a lot.
One of your Best videos to date Trevor. Thank you for your channel. It's been so helpful to my journey man. Appreciate what you do.
This explains why I had a lot of eating disorders
Also my eldest kiddo told me once that “mommy, your belly feels like home” and with that statement I’ve decided to never try to lose it 🖤
Hahahahahaha those clips with him eating were the funniest! Well done man
Love the channel
Thanks for helping the world be a better place
Crazy how us athiests try to care about folks
❤ thank you for making this podcast a thing!!!! ❤
Thank you for eating throughout this video. Had to watch this while I ate breakfast and it felt good to be able to curse these bigots with you while enjoying my French toast♥️
31:10 DUDE.......u literally see Jonah's sadness and depression kick in :(