Actually, I think you will find he nicked the "We" from "We Don't Need Another Hero", "don't" from "Don't Stop Me Now", "need" from "All You Need Is Love", "no" from "No More Mr Nice Guy" and "education" from "Don't Be A Dropout" - but I'm only guessing!
Considering the fact that Roger already recorded the complete Wall album back in 1978 (as well as demo's for his Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking album) as demo material, I'd say it's probably coincidence. Okay, the lyrics to the ABITW demo were different, but he does sing "we don't need no adulation"; etc, so the lyrics were already on there back in 1978 and since the TRB album came out in March of 1979, I'd say: coincidence. Here are the ABITW demo lyrics: [Verse 1] We don't need your adulation We don't need your starry gaze How the years have come between us You should have seen them in the early days Should have seen them in the early days [Refrain] All in all, it's just another brick in the wall All in all, it's just another brick in the wall [Verse 2] They don't need your reminiscing They don't need your memories They don't want to hear who's missing You should have seen them when the boys were young You should have seen them when the boys were young [Refrain] All in all, it's just another brick in the wall All in all, you're just another brick in the wall
"We don't need no education" works well exactly because it is "improper" grammar and it's talking about not needing education. It's a rebellious statement. Pretty sure this was the main reason why they chose to use the double negative in the end. It makes perfect sense in the context of the song.
And what about Brain Damage (from TDSOTM) with the 1 year older song Grazie Davvero from Italian band Premiata Forniera Marconi ? I felt in trouble when I heard this PFM song for the first time. Your opinion ?
Initial reaction : oh great a new video from Ruby, I will watch that later tonight. Hang on.. 5 months have gone by since part 1 of UK... would love to see part 2 electric boogaloo
it's possible there was some other source both artists were encoded with (known or unknown to them). Hard to say what it might have been on a show, or some sort of article or pop culture. I've written things or drawn things and then seen very similar ideas come out based on them. It's interesting how that happens. I've heard a saying that ideas come in threes. so maybe there's even another origin of that line! hahaha Fun video!
Far fetched. To quote RW on the Wall "I started in September [1977],". Admittedly not citing ABITW specifically, but just as easy to suggest TR happened to hear him strumming it one day and picked it up conciously or unconciously
I read the lyrics of Bully for You and they aren't even in the same GALAXY as Brick in the Wall, so not sure what that means.The irony is you keep mentioning Roger Waters, when as the argument often goes, Roger was lyricist, not musical inspiration. The disco beat of Brick is 'inspired' by, well, every goddam disco beat out there. Thats 'inspiration', just like 'another one bites the dust is 'inspired'. Inspired of course is not 'plagiarism'. It was interesting about the Peter Gabriel reference, because its sort of well known that Roger was a big fan of Gabriel. Sheep is not from Animal Farm, its from Firth of Fifth. MOST of Rogers social criticism on ATD can be traced back to "Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging". Yes, Peter Gabriel was THAT good. But thats inspiration, not plagiarism. Are we going to start saying "well, yeah, but its played on a twelve string electric just like...."
That's a pretty big stretch. Even your own argument contains a lot of "assumes" and "somewhats". Hardly conclusive proof. And even if Waters heard the TRB song, the worst he could be accused of is being inspired by it, but that's not the same thing as plagiarism. You can get sued for saying such things. Not to mention that the demo versions Waters made which are in the The Wall Immersion Edition contain the lyrics "We don't need no education". Presumably these were recorded several months earlier, and may even be the original demos presented to the band in 1978 (I'm not sure).
Bollocks! The double negative is not an uncharacteristic anomaly. If you knew the source material well enough you'd know this is absolutely indicative of Waters' layered meaning style and cynicism. it emphasizes the need for education. Tom is a lovely guy but his claim on this is misplaced... nice bit of gossip though.
Now do Roger stealing Syd Barrett’s songs with no shame “Opel “ “dark globe” “bob Dylan blues” etc lol all turn up in Floyd albums as “the crying song” “hey you” and “pigs on the wing”
Actually, I think you will find he nicked the "We" from "We Don't Need Another Hero", "don't" from "Don't Stop Me Now", "need" from "All You Need Is Love", "no" from "No More Mr Nice Guy" and "education" from "Don't Be A Dropout" - but I'm only guessing!
This video is proof that social media is poison.
Considering the fact that Roger already recorded the complete Wall album back in 1978 (as well as demo's for his Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking album) as demo material, I'd say it's probably coincidence. Okay, the lyrics to the ABITW demo were different, but he does sing "we don't need no adulation"; etc, so the lyrics were already on there back in 1978 and since the TRB album came out in March of 1979, I'd say: coincidence. Here are the ABITW demo lyrics:
[Verse 1]
We don't need your adulation
We don't need your starry gaze
How the years have come between us
You should have seen them in the early days
Should have seen them in the early days
[Refrain]
All in all, it's just another brick in the wall
All in all, it's just another brick in the wall
[Verse 2]
They don't need your reminiscing
They don't need your memories
They don't want to hear who's missing
You should have seen them when the boys were young
You should have seen them when the boys were young
[Refrain]
All in all, it's just another brick in the wall
All in all, you're just another brick in the wall
"We don't need no education" works well exactly because it is "improper" grammar and it's talking about not needing education. It's a rebellious statement. Pretty sure this was the main reason why they chose to use the double negative in the end. It makes perfect sense in the context of the song.
It also sounds better than "we do not need any more education"
And what about Brain Damage (from TDSOTM) with the 1 year older song Grazie Davvero from Italian band Premiata Forniera Marconi ?
I felt in trouble when I heard this PFM song for the first time. Your opinion ?
@@SkinoSylvain I need to check this out! I will and let you know 🫡
Initial reaction : oh great a new video from Ruby, I will watch that later tonight. Hang on.. 5 months have gone by since part 1 of UK... would love to see part 2 electric boogaloo
I will start work on it soon I promise!! Just been so busy with university life as of late but it will be out soon 😎
You need professional help for mental health. ASAP.
it's possible there was some other source both artists were encoded with (known or unknown to them). Hard to say what it might have been on a show, or some sort of article or pop culture. I've written things or drawn things and then seen very similar ideas come out based on them. It's interesting how that happens. I've heard a saying that ideas come in threes. so maybe there's even another origin of that line! hahaha Fun video!
Far fetched. To quote RW on the Wall "I started in September [1977],". Admittedly not citing ABITW specifically, but just as easy to suggest TR happened to hear him strumming it one day and picked it up conciously or unconciously
Oh no. Clearly Rog also lifted the 'Hey' from 'Glad To Be Gay.' Whatever next?
Did Pink Floyd Steal Their Biggest Hit? Fuck, no!
I read the lyrics of Bully for You and they aren't even in the same GALAXY as Brick in the Wall, so not sure what that means.The irony is you keep mentioning Roger Waters, when as the argument often goes, Roger was lyricist, not musical inspiration. The disco beat of Brick is 'inspired' by, well, every goddam disco beat out there. Thats 'inspiration', just like 'another one bites the dust is 'inspired'. Inspired of course is not 'plagiarism'.
It was interesting about the Peter Gabriel reference, because its sort of well known that Roger was a big fan of Gabriel. Sheep is not from Animal Farm, its from Firth of Fifth. MOST of Rogers social criticism on ATD can be traced back to "Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging". Yes, Peter Gabriel was THAT good. But thats inspiration, not plagiarism. Are we going to start saying "well, yeah, but its played on a twelve string electric just like...."
No, not even relevant, it's not even the word education!
Did Pink Floyd Steal Their Biggest Hit? Absolutely, no!!!
That's a pretty big stretch. Even your own argument contains a lot of "assumes" and "somewhats". Hardly conclusive proof. And even if Waters heard the TRB song, the worst he could be accused of is being inspired by it, but that's not the same thing as plagiarism. You can get sued for saying such things. Not to mention that the demo versions Waters made which are in the The Wall Immersion Edition contain the lyrics "We don't need no education". Presumably these were recorded several months earlier, and may even be the original demos presented to the band in 1978 (I'm not sure).
Did you watch the full video? Just I mention the demo at the end and address this
@@rubyjones01That was the demo - he'd already been working on the Wall for 10 months.
Bollocks! The double negative is not an uncharacteristic anomaly. If you knew the source material well enough you'd know this is absolutely indicative of Waters' layered meaning style and cynicism. it emphasizes the need for education. Tom is a lovely guy but his claim on this is misplaced... nice bit of gossip though.
Now do Roger stealing Syd Barrett’s songs with no shame “Opel “ “dark globe” “bob Dylan blues” etc lol all turn up in Floyd albums as “the crying song” “hey you” and “pigs on the wing”
Another well-researched and insightful video! Awesome stuff!
The great steal. I've had mine stolen
That's another 10 minutes of my life I will never get back.