@@D0ubleRadiation units that buff other units or debuff enemies. Warfarin, Shamare, Suzuran, Skalter, Nightingale. They're the only ones that come to mind that haven't been pushed out by now.
the operator that really powercreep Siege is Saga, both have spammable skill in S2 and hard hitting skill in their S3, both also can be SP support too makes both of them have similar job in the team. I think Blaze not got powercreeped but instead become the minimal standard of what a line holder should have.
No offense but Siege still has a bit more over Saga as Saga reguires you to actually press her skill, which takes her out of the running for me cause I dont like my character giving me arthritis so I can have slightly more dp regen. Also Saga's bleed skill is super annoying to always have to keep in mind as as a vanguard she is usually going to be alone on the field for a bit at least and won't have someone to finish them off for her, so if you forget that skill and have her placed to close the objective, oops you just lost a life cause Saga is too sadistic to kill her enemies. Basically, while on numbers Saga is definitely better then Siege, for the lazy man, Saga is just too much finger work for the improved DP regen.
@@nicholasjacobs6605 bros complaining about clicking a button lmao also c'mon man, she's not sadistic for not killing her enemies, she's generously allowing her teammates to kill them and get SP!
@@nicholasjacobs6605 Well, auto-deploy exist and no one really uses pioneer if you only needed DP regeneration because standard bearer have existed for 5 years now. Saga is better than Siege because not only she does offer damage, but also interesting utility of giving SP to units that she left unkilled. It's quite niche these days but it can work. And once again, it's not like you're going to press her skill on every run when auto-deploy exist if you need to farm a lot with her around.
Also agree on Blaze. I actually think she's a more favorable options amongst many compared to Gavial because while Gavial is stronger by numbers, Blaze just does everything centurion needed to do very well in the first place without you needing to do anything other than to deploy her. Gavial is doing too much in a role that only needed someone with decent sustain and well-rounded stats. Blaze got all that covered already.
@@nicholasjacobs6605 Saga has 2 separate role depend on the skills you use. If you use her S2, it's spammable and can kill "bleeding" enemies but it requires timing and the SP in killing "bleeding" enemies becomes all hers makes her S2 even more spammable. If you leak using S2 it means you miss the timing. not to mention that with the module it hits hard and it has a high damage multiplier too. If you use her S3, Saga becomes a support unit, it hits hard (even harder with module) and can hit multiple enemies at once to leave a lot of "bleeding" enemies behind purposely for other operators to kill them. Also make sure you use the modules that increase the damage she deals against low health enemies and not use the DP cost reduction one for both skills because she needs that damage to make enemies become "bleeding" fast.
I agree with this. Pozy was never a true powercreep of schwarz because in practice trying to get the typewriter to hit the boss at the same time as her was a bit cumbersome and not always possible, and she always had one fewer tile of range and a worse cycle, not to mention her lower dph. Ray has none of these problems. A shorter cycle, a strictly larger range, WAY more dph, not to mention the dps and 20s bind. She is as close to a strict upgrade as you can get.
@@bobjoe258 Schwarz does better than Pozy against enemies with higher defense when using her second module. Ray is better than both because she packs a heavy punch and gets quick reload with S3, and she can bind enemies with every shot. S2 is also cool to have some lane crontrol but it also risks spread focus.
Poz powercreeping Schwarz is so funny to me because Poz ended up being super unpopular anyway due to the stronger DPS ops releasing after her and her being awkward to use. This is because in order to achieve max DPS with her, she (with the help of her module): 1. Needs to maintain a straight line at the enemy (only 4 tiles long at farthest). While she still does good damage without facing the enemy directly in front of her, her short range would still be a problem 2. Have her typewriter who happens to have a straight narrow line as its range right beside her *also* attacking the same enemy, for which ideally you'd want to deploy in front or behind her, but you can't always do due to map layouts
Funnily enough, I think Schwarz will age better than Pozy, simply because you can use her ATK buff talent to buff better snipers. Pozy can't really do that. We already kind of saw that happening with CCB2.
i remember when poz banner came out i had been working on building schwarz because i was still a newbie with mostly 4* at the time. every guide i saw said she would be an amazing unit to use when i finally build her. then i got poz and everyone was saying how she was better so i switched all my resources to getting her e2, module and skills. now my schwarz is still e1 lvl1 and i can count on one hand the amount of times ive used poz. i dont trust guides anymore and just level whoever i feel like.
I would go so far to say pozy got powercrept harder than schwarz. I'm a veteran player and i have max level pozy but i am not even using her since typhon, ray or wis straight up better than her at her job whereas schwarz still has a niche for buffing those other powerhouse snipers while being a semi fast-redeploy unit. i've also switched schwarz to s2 since it's still powerful enough to take down elite enemies and it's ease of use synergies with her semi fast-redeploy nature.
How to Aak from the one Aak stan: 1) get mod3 (very important since it massively improves his control) 2) get S3M3 3) park him directly behind Penance and next to Skalter, facing Penance 4) blast that S3 on cooldown 5) Enjoy surprisingly good 100%-uptime control while Skalter keeps him alive and he helps Penance keep very high S3 uptime (which also means she’s getting lots of extra barrier). If you don’t have Penance and Skalter, Shalem on S2 and any AOE medic are good alternatives. Happy Aaking!
9:10 Thorns, Mudrock and Mountain absolutely were 3 of the units that had a role in Blaze's fall. However, there are some units that definitely played a giant role in powercreeping her that one may not immediately think of. Kal'tsit (and Mon3tr): Healer and laneholder/boss killer rolled into one. Skill cooldowns so fast they may as well be infinite. AoE on skill 2 and nuclear true damage on skill 3. Chen The Holungday: yes, a ranged unit. True AoE. Absurd damage on skill 3 with a wonky range that let her strike multiple lanes. Crowd control. And finally, the man himself, Młynar, who power crept every guard in the game at the time. Like Blaze, he doesn't have self sustain. But he's insanely tanky. Much tankier than blaze at base. Costs about half as much to deploy. 5-target, aerial hitting, mixed physical and true damage on skill 3. 40 sp cost, 28 second uptime... The Reaper sub class certainly didnt help either. The reason it's hard to pin a real spot where blaze just fell off is because unlike the other units on the list, it took multiple units to push her out. Meanwhile Siege and Schwarz just croaked the moment Bagpipe and Pozy were released.
Y’know probably not the case for Mon3ter but Mon3ter has the benefit of being a summon with lesser redeployment time who’s its own little box of crazy, so long Kal’tsit is on the field
@@darkhavoc6104 it's so funny too cause Vina, the long-awaited alter for her, wasn't that good either. All she do is true damage during skill then does nothing for good chunk of duration because her skill downtime kinda sucks and she really got nothing outside of the true damage. Such a horribly designed unit that not only missed the mark once, but twice. I would've said HG hates her but she's literally the main character for good portions of the main story so I don't know why they fumbled her that bad.
Eh, I wouldn't call Mlynar or Chalter Blaze power creeps as they fulfill completely different rolls. Blaze, Murdock, Mon3tr, Mountain, and Thorns whole thing is that they can sustain and dish out consistent damage while blocking and giving time for other ops to dish out their stronger burst damage. Mlynar and Chalter are completely different. Mlynar literally cannot block enemies while his skill is inactive. He is one of the best DPS units in the game, but without someone to block and hold off the enemies during his downtime then, well, you'd just be letting enemies by him. Chalter is a ranged DPS unit, so I'm not going to explain why she's not comparable to Blaze or other cornerstone. Being powercrept in this game means that another operator came along to fulfill the role, but they do it so much better that the previous operator looks mundane in comparison. As Mlynar and Chalter fulfill completely different roles than Blaze, it would be inaccurate to say that they powercrept her. Mlynar did powercreep someone else, however: SilverAsh
1) Exusiai got rescued from the scrap heap by being given Typhon's defense ignore talent for her second module, making her able to chunk even enemy defenders with her s3. This puts her lightyears above her fellows Ash and Archetto. 2) Aak was and still is in high widespread use to anyone with an operator compatible with his buff, in early days you would aim it at Silverash before his S3, or maybe SkadiGuard, these days there are even more very obvious choices with massive ROI for it like Mlynar, Lin, Penance etc and post module he is even good on his own due to his constant healing and micro cc. At this point the only people who don't use him are either too afraid/lazy to learn or hate him for his appearance
3) Angelina is memetic but these days people who bother would tag team her with Weedy to take advantage of her global weight -1. I'm not saying this is a good and contemporary combo in 2024+1 but it is generally effective. This combination was used in high risk cc12 to stall the boss for a very long time 4) Broca IS good, as the only Centurion that does Arts damage (in a range that surpasses Blaze mind you), he laneholds in situations that Blaze would need help or outright fail in his place. Again, people are just afraid of his self stun.
not lightyears in Exu's case because Narantuya is still far stronger. I'd say a solid tier above Ash. On the same tier as the likes of Schwarz and Fiammetta. after all, the module only fixes the Marksman problem (anti high-def) and not Exia's problem (skill cycling) Then again, still very powerful
@@seirei_m I said lightyears above her fellows Ash and Archetto. Narantuya does not apply to this nor any sniper that is not Marksman otherwise I would not even bring her up and just concede to Typhon/Wisadel or whatever. I have no opinion of Fiammetta I did not pull and have not been spooked but I really wont lie when I say I would rather use Mod-Y W instead if I wanted an artillery sniper or again Typhon/Wisadel.
Exu's new module does fix the archetype main problem but again, not Exia's problem itself in which the only way to actually control her is by using her as a helidrop
Weirdly enough now that Degenbrecher exists, Chen is actually in a better place than Irene. I mean in terms of damage, when Irene is better than Chen, Degen beats Irene by a significant amount. Chen at least has her niche of being an SP battery for offensive recovery and defensive recovery operators. So she at least has something that Degen can't just copy and do far better. Is it a common niche? Probably not, but it at least exists. In the other hand Irene is just worse Degen.
@nabi7701 I actually kind of find it funny how before Degenbrecher came along, Irene completely powercrept Chen, but now with Degenbrecher, Chen at least has the niche of being able to support other good offensive recovery ops like Execalter and Fiammetta while Irene now has no niche
The thing about hellagur is that he got powercrept way before zuole's release. his role for the most part is a one block lane holder, jaye can do that too he has faster redeployment time, cheap (in terms of dp cost and to build since he's a 4☆), he can be healed by other units and can heal other units the only downside is the -2 or -3 dp over time, that's it
As a reminder, Jaye's -3 DP ticks often enough to neutralize the base DP gain over time. When you plop him down, you're not dropping anyone else until your printer finishes cycling or you pull him back.
Ch'en: For damage instead of ease of use, Irene. Degenbrecher then comes in and beheads both Ch'en and Irene 😭 Angelina: Actually the pinnacle of meta of early Contingency Contracts. Then Angelina just never appears anywhere ever again.
@EmuachPuff Same with Phantom. Bro just snaps Patriot. Despite IS modules being... limited to IS, they do a good job of bringing back old operators. I was slightly exaggerating for Angelina. But you do rarely ever see Angelina these days not counting IS and niche-knights.
I still use them anyway, Schwarz in particular became a pseudo fast redeploy monster in the same vein as a bulky April, with her 2nd module and I use her S2 more. That's the thing. The ceiling for operator damage is sky high with Wiisadel but in practical situation most operators fulfill their roles even today the same way as they did back in the day, it's just that the gameplay options have become far more efficient through role compression. Ines is the everything Vanguard as long as she doesn't have to deal with anything other than fodder enemies. The only main issue with Siege is that she's too expensive as a Vanguard and doesn't fill the shoes of a pseudo Guard. Penance for example is a near unstoppable snowball of destruction that took part from Hoshiguma's S2 and Skadi's S3 to become a laneholder monster with the only caveat of not having hp self heal but barriers. She's another example of role compression. At the end Ak is a game about coming out with your own solutions. I've seen videos with year 1 and launch operators clearing modern stages and do just fine. If anything it involves you getting acquinted with the more granular aspects of the game and actually having to strategize instead of the spray and pray method these new and powerful 6* Ops enable.
I think Shining is a contender for most useless year one operator, her gimick isn't useful, her s3 takes way to long to charge, and her base art hasn't aged well.
True. Her static defense buff fell off really hard. Hell it fell off in the early years because people would field Ptilo and Warf in her place and just compensate through the better DPS they provide one way or another. These days Shining is pretty much rendered obsolete by Abjurers, Quercus especially. Shelter is a percentile reduction that scales even if you find the amount rather underwhelming (Remember guys, the only thing that matters is that your healers can keep you over 0 HP), couple that with their much shorter attack interval and the unfortunate nature of DEF calculation, Shining is just mogged from multiple directions. There are many situations where Quercus succeeds in keeping operators alive where Shining and hell most contemporary medics fail, a popular example being Quercus sustaining Nian against H stage Steam Knight in a showcase video of Quercus' module Sure you can use both, but fuck me if I'm gonna be forced to bring more pure healers than necessary, and Nightingale benefits from Abjurers WAY better since RES is also percentile and they stack additively.
@@wollyram6248 Slightly off topic but what is with Shining fans and the disrespect for her character? Her using her sword again would be a violation of her character arc...
@@EggyEggtoastsince the beginning people have been like "she has sword she must use it and then she'll be good!" Because let's be real who's reading pages upon pages of small text concentrated at the bottom of the screen in a visual novel with an extremely low budget format
If she's the most useless then that's saying something cause she frequently pops up in afk guides, and survivability and defense are still things you can consider to succeed in gameplay. Notably the ending 2 boss in IS4. Not to mention she's just still a good medic. I remember people trashed on medics as a whole quite a bit, but guess what, you actually need them. Isn't that something?
aak usage is actually pretty solid. He's featured in so many max risk clears to buff surtr, and his module makes him a decent unit for daily gameplay as well.
to be honest, Schwarz is still a great bosskiller with her ModY and is even stronger than Poz against high defense enemies. The real sadness is Ray's existence which put Schwarz to shame. Even Poz in some cases. But Poz is still a powerful raw dps unit... altho Narantuya got released and the redhead is better than her in that regard:/ doesnt mean she aint good anymore though
I have a max module Aak, and I have to say he’s still really good, just not obvious to fit on to teams. Alone, he basically functions as a better slow supporter than the actual slow supporters, and as a support, he can combo with Mlynar or Penance to brute force your way through basically anything the game throws at you.
Dusk S3 got made into a new architype which does it way batter... i cant stress enough how they just looked at Dusk S3 and said, yea, lets make it into a new architype that functions well, architype and operator being Tecno the shaper caster
>Everyone has W2 No lol. She's staying at level 1. Yea sure they're not the standard now but I just used the "powercrept" operators just know and they're still good. And I will defend my Schwarz from any slander until the end of time. Or anyone mentioned here really.
Exactly, the game isn't competitive enough to warrant operators being powercrept, daily content ramps up much slower than our operators, with exceptions of some operators/ archetypes, most operators are very competent in there roles. that being said there are a handful of operators that are just plain bad or poorly designed
Those don't have(me) nahh I'm good with typhon,ray and pozy atleast they have different skill I'm can use whatever situation needs and I'm gonna just borrow her😂😂😂
I didn't even pull for her. Got logos and stopped pulling. Sure seeing big red numbers annihilate any enemy is funny but it gets old fast and is a surefire away to lose interest in the long run. If I ever feel like trivializing a stage I can always just borrow her, like every other meta operator in the game.
Important to note that 6 star snipers have almost always powercrept each other with each new release. Only outlier is Rosmontis and maybe Fartooth. Most notable going from Pozy to Wisedale. Each new 6 star sniper powercrept the last.
Powercreep doesnt really matter much in this game cuz most operators are still viable but not just on super hard stages. Tbh vanguards for example I still use siege, myrtle, and texas. I only borrow bagpipe if needed on CC(I wish I have her). People really overhyping/glazing saga when she came out for example when she cant even kill the enemies on her own due to her talent. Its insane how egoistic players view stuff when a new operator released is a "little bit" better then proceeds to call powercrept operator obsolete.
The truth is that meta chasing is unnecessary in this game. Even for high-level content like CC, you can still get the medal set with "suboptimal" operators like Schwarz or Silverash. I'm a year 5 new player and have operators like Mostima, Eyja, Schwarz built and they still carry me in every new event. The difference is that newer operators are becoming more "idiot-proof" like Wisadel and Ulpianus, who you can deploy nearly everywhere and not worry about them getting deleted.
I disagree, powercreep is an issue that will matter alot and if not countered, HG will make super hard stages a regular occurence in the future that will make powercrept/bad operators less viable in the future. I'd say you should try to be less complacent about it.
yep, i agreed, 6star ops only matter on high-level content like CC, in story ? nah just use 4star and you can clear it till ch14 (maybe some boss stage need 5star or 6star but no need for new ops)
@@wickeddave5148 well, some people probably too competitve playing this game lol but this PvE game not PvP, its doesnt matter at all, already play this game since release, and still use some "old" ops on CC and newest ch, and i rarely use 6star, probably people need to stop brute force and start play this game with their brain xD, but yeah that just my opinion, people have choice to play this game like they want
Aak he still uselful for one thing that he does better than other buffer, giving SP to Lin with her talent and grant her ASPD buff and ATK buff at the same time
I think siege was powercreeped by saga Yeah her s2 literally siege s2 but manual, but what make shine more is she can feed flagbearer/any ops with those sweet juicy 2sp last hit enemy And not to mention her s3 is aoe but has extra range with a plus gives dp unlike siege
I dont really think Pozy powercreeps Schwarz in the BROADER sense. Does Pozy has more damage when stars align? Absolutely. But Schwarz having that fast redeploy module and only requiring ONE good tile instead of two makes her SOOO much more comfy to use + she scales so f*cking hard with attack buffs, that even a level 7 Warfarin buff will make her delete shit. Ray is much more of a Schwarz powercreep than Pozy cause she can do what Schwarz does, but from the other side of the f*cking screen, in fact Ray powercreeps both. But hey, i love my Fast Redeploy Schwarz and will defend her until the end of times, her uptime is great even for general DPS.
The funny thing is, the general consensus at the time when the game drop is that Siege is probably the worst 6 stars to get and you are better just use other pioneer. So she is not powercrept, she has never been in position of power in the first place lmao. The only one that is even considered to be on par with her or even worse is Angelina when you don't have good shift operators as a beginner.
i've been an aak main since day 1 and i cant imagine not using him. like 98% of my gameplay is trying to find dynamic ways to use him bc he's by no means weak to use, he just need more mental attention sometimes. I used to hate playing IS because i thought aak was unrunnable and his dynamic gameplay (positioning, stat checking, buff management, hp management) didn't suit the format, but then I decided fuck the meta and brought him. It went great! the little guy is genuinely really strong, and he just makes others stronger. He's my first truly maxed out 6star besides a s2m3. he's genuinely one of my most active supports as well, which always is exciting now if only i could steal all the potential off my friends aak for my 0 potential aak.
I don't think Blaze got powercrept it's just lane holder role that's become common nowadays. With many options for lane holder Blaze job becomes a lot easier because now I can use multiple lane holder at my squad. Sure Thorn, Mountain & Mudrock are self sustain but Thorn is not tanky, mountain lacks dps & Mudrock sometimes get overun by horde of rush type enemy. Blaze is minimum standards of how meta lane holder should be.
My real worry in AK as a newer (8 month) player is not really what is powercrept but more that the game gives you not enough resources to build many of the units you pull. I have at least 10 unbuilt 6* and almost all the 5* operators are unbuilt. Rather than worrying about who is powercrept, I'd just like to be able to use some units instead of always being resource starved. I don't quite understand this game compared to my old gatcha where units were harder to come by, but you could always raise them to power pretty easily once acquiring them. I guess maybe they intend you to refresh energy for LMD or something but it seems not very efficient. Maybe I am misunderstanding and maybe this is not an issue for long time (5 yr) players.
Siege didn't fell off because of flagpipe imo, she fell off because of Saga who did EVERYTHING Siege did but better, and while doing that she also got a self sustain that Siege needed for lane holding. Yeah HG really went for the Siege kill with that one, there's no denying it, I don't think there's a single situation where Siege is better than Saga
The key thing in regards to power creep IMO is its so negligible for 95% of content. If you're just casually farming stages or playing the game, a lot of the difference wont really matter. You probably wouldn't notice that much of a difference using Blaze over Mountain for a regular stage you're farming. The only time it really may show is in much higher level content or boss stages. You may find yourself having a much easier time using the newer shinier unit compared to the older power crept one. Not to say using the older unit is impossible, but might require a little more effort. Also, the older units might still fill a niche the newer one cant. Schwarz S3 still has that niche of being a straight line AoE which can be useful in very specific situations. And also talents can also bring a utility as well. Especially those with team buffs like Schwarz.
While Bagpipe did happen to Siege, I want to point out someone else that happened to her that commonly goes overlooked: Saga. Saga's kit is pretty much a direct upgrade of Siege's kit. Her skill 2 is similar to Siege's skill 2, except it generates 1 more DP, has a higher damage modifier, and can be activated manually so that way you can get the DP even if there weren't enemies to attack to get it. Meanwhile her skill 3 is her main DPS skill, like Siege's, except it actually generates DP. Her first talent even acts as a bit of an SP battery when defeating an enemy (albeit for other operators as Saga can only benefit from it with her skill 2) Also, I'm not really much of a Siege fan, but I am a little tired of seeing people complain about Siege's alter not being good. Her 1st skill is consistent True damage with no drawbacks and her 3rd skill is high True damage with no drawbacks. Considering how many mechanics True damage bypasses, from DEF and RES to dodge, and considering that almost every form of True damage we got in the past was either low (Hoederer, Cliffheart, and Mlynar) had drawbacks (Amiya retreating, Mon3tr ATK decaying plus needing to use up 2 deployment to slots) or was difficult to apply properly (Civilight Eterna's skill 2 being a bit difficult to aim, Weedy's skill 3 being based on push distance, and Nearalter's skill 3 requiring her to block the enemy) while Vina has none of that, just full on strong True damage with no drawbacks that's easy to apply, you guys as Siege fans got a really strong Alter for her, meanwhile us Viviana fans over here had to wait for her module in order for her to be good
people talk about siege being powercrept, but she was never a powerful unit in the first place. even during launch days iirc siege and texas were considered in the same tier. this powercreep logic in arknights is only relevant in CCs. you put siege and some healing, and she's good at the same things as 5 years ago, laneholding + stable dp generation. clicking saga's skill is a pain and i only feel the need to bring flagpipe for quick dp or annilatio. and ines doesn't want to come home! i have been bringing siege and schwarz to most stages.
@@hideandslide4586 He can be at two places at once and his other self is the epitome of fast redeploy. That's good enough for me. He's like duckt tape for my strategies.
Everyone forgets that Arknights isn't PvP, so the meta doesn't matter. If an operator was powerful, they are still just as powerful if someone stronger comes along. You don't have to beat Walter; she's on your side. You just have to beat the baddies, and all these older operators can still do that just fine in most cases. For example, I have both Blaze and Gavial alter at level 90, M6. All the analysts agree that Gavial is stronger. So who do I use the most? Blaze. She is powerful *enough* and more convenient for me.
I quite disagree with both Aak and Schwarz the most, but you know, enough people have talked about Aak, regarding Schwarz, I haven't seen anyone mention her 2nd module? While, if you're looking at purely damage numbers, sure she got power crept but practicality wise, she is still useful enough to be seen. Her first Module makes her a pseudo quick-redeploy boss killer, really useful for bosses that move a lot/reposition constantly and her Module 2, while more niche, has dodge negation. That is insanely strong for a multitude of bosses that have dodge chance built in. Also, if you're going to try defining some power creeping as just simply not having a niche then the only ones that belong here are probably Phantom and Hellagur. Siege is still a core for Vanguardknights for both her innate vanguard buffs + helidrop potential on S3, the issues you mention for Skadi are also kind of prevalent in Ulpianus and not many really talk about that simply because Abyss Hunters are a strong and popular enough niche, Mostima's niche use is way more niche than Skadi and Aak so it is weird to put her as a side note than as a core of the list, and lastly, you mentioned Blaze's niche quite well. All this aside, I do agree that Siege, as much as I like her, did get power crept, Phantom, is just dead, executors are too absurd and the only thing making him look better is now the upcoming Crownslayer (Which is just tragic for her), Hellagur, I've never used him (Unfortunately, I really wanted him back then, and still do) but the general consensus is his stats are simply too low / skills were not enough to keep up with current stuff, and while Blaze is strong, yea she's power crept but honestly, that's just an issue of guards being too absurdly strong nowadays. Edit: Also remember it's a PVE game, while all these characters are power crept, you can still realistically make use of 99% of characters in most of the game, it is simply whether you want to think or just brute force your way through with "meta"
i see W in thumbnail and well, jokes on you W still holds well nowadaays and i mean the OG W not wisadel the fact there are stronger options doesnt mean W cant be used just as easily as other ops
I have Aak M8(S1M2) and all I can say it's worth it I managed to get my Spalter to 50k+ MaxHP thanks to that Really want to remind about his S2 also Heidi S2 can give MaxHP :)
I do think that Blaze is still good, many players including me still use her for AFK laneholding. On the other hand Angelina, Shining and even Exu got hit hard by powercreep the most.
On the topic of Siege, I can absolutely recommend maxing out her Y module! It gives her way more SP and becomes a battery for other vanguards. I think it really carved out a niche for her in high enemy density scenarios!
Flamebringer finally got the fix that Tectone suggested way back then. With the module not requiring himself to do the kills for HP. Yes I can mention him, this ain't Reddit.
Yes, her passive healing is one of very few sources of global healing also she can heal enimity units with it as well, plus as a 4* she doesn't need too much resources to be good
@@EggyEggtoastnow that I think about it, I really want a 6 star multi target medic that has one of those permanent duration skill that increases atk and talent multiplier, and their talent being a regeneration based on own atk. Who wouldn't want an Eyjaberry but trading element healing for infinite range
I have to honestly disagree with Aak. The reason why hardly anyone uses him is because he's just not that easy to use. But with his module he is a good sniper off skill and with skill 3 it is not the +50% ATK that is relevant but the +50 ASPD. Hardly any operator buffs ASPD even today and +50 is huge outside of Integrated Strategies and SSS. The best thing about his buff is that it kind of stacks with other buffs Also as someone who has the Schwarz figure: the price is reasonable for the quality you are getting. Most of the other Arknights figures can't really compare
Skadi needing a squad to buff her? It's the other way around, Skadi's module gives the squad 22% attack buff. Skadi is the most useful when she buffs her entire squad.
"They fell off" Me: _still using Siege_ Who knew a perfectly good stat stick, capable of dealing decent damage, and recovering dp pretty well, is still usable, huh? Her skill 1 is still a decent afk dp printer, especially good in this era of afk play, and her skill 3, while the stun is utterly unreliable, does good damage. First operator on 17 January 2020, it's 26 December 2024, i still use her. I just used her today. I never quit arknights. I have the meta vanguards built. Siege is still good. I guess i fell for the rage bait yet again, but it genuinely irritates me to see people trash on Siege at every turn. I guess thats my soft spot of having used her in play for almost 5 years talking. I even brought her along here and there as a secondary 'premium' vanguard on by IS4 d12 badge hunting and she wasnt a standout but she stood her ground and made dp. I also brought her to RA 1, she worked decently. SSS, including the first iterations where it was rng hell + rush to goldenglow/irene, she was good there too. Surprise, the rigid high difficulty CC isn't an optimal place for her. You cant take her into the hardest of hardest content, sure, but if shes still going to work on average day to day play, and pull her weight in scenarios with some difficulty, how does that translate to "We must trash on her very existence"? Pioneers are still a perfectly good class that you can use in this game.
There a line between usable character and good character just keep that in mind and as game develop the standard about which is good also develop as well, so Siege is suck…yeah deal with it, she usable? Completely agree but good? Nah
Siege was good for, like, the first few updates leading up to annihilation 3. After that, she started falling off. You see, when you use a vanguard, what do you want them to do? That's right, print DP. Now, Skill 2? It's certainly a decent skill. Her bread and butter. Decent damage, true aoe. But there's that measly 3 DP per skill activation. And if you dont get a kill, that's another 10 seconds for another 3 DP. Skill 3? Okay. Cool. It does damage. You know what it doesnt do? The one singular god damn thing I need my vanguards to do. PRINT DEPLOYMENT POINTS. Now, you mentioned skill 1. A good DP printing skill... You know who else has that same exact skill? Texas. A 5 star, who gives you 2 extra dp just for existing, and costs 1 dp less to deploy. This is the very same reason why no one uses Saileach over Myrtle or Elysium. She does the same exact job, but that makes her *worse* due to the nature of her being a 6 star. Bagpipe's release brought Siege crumbling down to obscurity because she costs less DP. She generates DP on kill, which isn't an issue because she does way more damage. And she refunds all DP on retreat. Finally, no one said Pioneers are bad. They said *Siege* is bad. Flametail and Saga (and Texas) are still good and vastly superior to Siege, with Saga literally being "Siege but actually good." It's time to take those rose-tinted glasses off.
somehow i feel siege is more usable than siege, and yes i have both of them and i use siege more lol, probably coz i s2m3 siege already and dont want wasting mats on bagpipe lol
Is no one gonna mention Silver Ash? I genuinely forget he exists cause there isn't any thing he does that others don't, especially since modules give invisibility reveal to some operators now
Well no Pozzy is a good DPS unit but actual trash when it comes to hard-hitting bosses/elites you aren't killing anything with those mere 2k damage per hit and there isn't always a tile where you can put the turret so bye bye def reduction and typhon is clumsy as hell all my gomies hate typhon siege was offed by saga who is directly better at everything she does since the flagpipe isn't always viable as you sometimes don't have enough time to start dp producing(also hi chapter 12 we despise flagguards here) phantom was never good to begin with zuo le is a better laneholder but in no way a better single target staller,he dies really quickly compared to the gru
I agree but have you thought about how useless Schwartz is too in most circumstances then? Any tile access makes Pozy better which is so easy. Typhon is not hard and requires one test run to figure out the necessary pattern so actual skill issue. The Siege copers take me way to seriously like hfs you think I deleted their OP from their account or something. Mushas were never good. End of discussion.
I don't know, I can't see myself replacing blaze with anyone I often see Mudrock compared with Penance so I assume she plugs red boxes and isn't the actual lane holder of her team, and thorns doesn't even start to compare with blaze, if he can hope to powercreep someone it's maybe Lappland The one place where I feel like Blaze got forgotten is that one weird new module-farming game mode where you have to replace your operators every ten seconds so there's no point in charging their infinite skills
The real Blaze powercreep is Ulpian + Glaiida/Strong medic He does more damage with the same block and aoe The only thing he does worse than her is the range (I’m talking about S2 btw) Thorn(and his module), Mountain, other afk/lane holder does play a part in making her “fall off” but we never really have anyone who can just be deploy and do a good amount of dph like her Mountain get f over by slightly high def enemies, Thorn is single target (his module help a lot tho), and Mudrock can’t really be use with medic and is quite expensive to start with (she doesn’t need a medic and her module help her a lot) Ulpian has around the same cost as her but with better stat and his 2nd skill basically turn him into a better Blaze but without the range and his best “medic” is free and he can be use with other medic He is the closest thing you can get to Blaze powercreep in my opinion because before this she does more damage than Mountain, has better block than Thorn and is aoe, and doesn’t cost like 30+ dp to start with and these trait are pretty important If anything Mountain is the one being left in the dust compare to other lane holder but he still is effective for daily so you do see him sometimes.
I would say Gavial Alter became mid over blaze, blaze at least still has a spot in alot of low op clears for trust farms/afk setups. gavial alter i havent used in a good bit and i haven't seen used in any videos since release, not even in event challenge clear videos.
@@Zretgul_timerunner bro i literally still using some old ass operator like in the video said, my new op only Walter, mylnar, and ulpi, the rest is old operator, and still clear all chapter without problem ( i dont spam wisadel btw, she make the game too easy), ill stop play this game if 4star operator is unusable, 6star operator just a bonus like collection. Try play this game with UR BRAIN dont BRUTE FORCING every stage with 6 star operator. also dont let other people influence how you play
I can kinda understand you pissed at blaze here that she fall off but comparing her with galter (or mudmud, thorny or mountain)? Just because she's(he's) survive better rather than put wait and done (you still need to activate galter skill and find out yourself btw) It's like you comparing Lumen with shinning being down bad when both got powercrept by a goat or ram.... Look here sweetie, do your research properly in fact should you put blaze as honorary mention like i can give you operators that suck from past and present with explanation why and you would agree or just cope while malding i was right: Pallas, she's good yeah but when HG making another minos? Bro minos is like ancient relic in this game society now like higashi with matoi skin Silverash being powercrept far too long and the only use for him now is revealing invisible 😂😂😂 suck i know but here's reality in Lord class, Qu bai eventhough she was year 3 operator and look how fumble jumbo dumbo her kit is like seriously you need suzuran just to make her attack from tickle to scratch 😅 Talk about sniper or medic well no comment we have roach and goat so no need further understanding. What about supporter class? Well we have Maggie being never been use due to her needing understanding to use rather than blue dragon just need DP anyway. Ironic.
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I would love a reverse video: the operators that have the least chance of getting power crept
Aak being a part of that video as well as the only way to murder pre-existing units:
Brawlers
You can't powercreep them, you can only completely change how the archetype works to make a good 6 star version
@@D0ubleRadiation units that buff other units or debuff enemies. Warfarin, Shamare, Suzuran, Skalter, Nightingale. They're the only ones that come to mind that haven't been pushed out by now.
Mytrle: The Supreme Eternal World Eater
nightingale she's one of the only ops thats gotten better long after release and hg doesn't really throw around big res buffs.
the operator that really powercreep Siege is Saga, both have spammable skill in S2 and hard hitting skill in their S3, both also can be SP support too makes both of them have similar job in the team.
I think Blaze not got powercreeped but instead become the minimal standard of what a line holder should have.
No offense but Siege still has a bit more over Saga as Saga reguires you to actually press her skill, which takes her out of the running for me cause I dont like my character giving me arthritis so I can have slightly more dp regen. Also Saga's bleed skill is super annoying to always have to keep in mind as as a vanguard she is usually going to be alone on the field for a bit at least and won't have someone to finish them off for her, so if you forget that skill and have her placed to close the objective, oops you just lost a life cause Saga is too sadistic to kill her enemies. Basically, while on numbers Saga is definitely better then Siege, for the lazy man, Saga is just too much finger work for the improved DP regen.
@@nicholasjacobs6605 bros complaining about clicking a button lmao also c'mon man, she's not sadistic for not killing her enemies, she's generously allowing her teammates to kill them and get SP!
@@nicholasjacobs6605 Well, auto-deploy exist and no one really uses pioneer if you only needed DP regeneration because standard bearer have existed for 5 years now.
Saga is better than Siege because not only she does offer damage, but also interesting utility of giving SP to units that she left unkilled. It's quite niche these days but it can work.
And once again, it's not like you're going to press her skill on every run when auto-deploy exist if you need to farm a lot with her around.
Also agree on Blaze. I actually think she's a more favorable options amongst many compared to Gavial because while Gavial is stronger by numbers, Blaze just does everything centurion needed to do very well in the first place without you needing to do anything other than to deploy her.
Gavial is doing too much in a role that only needed someone with decent sustain and well-rounded stats. Blaze got all that covered already.
@@nicholasjacobs6605 Saga has 2 separate role depend on the skills you use. If you use her S2, it's spammable and can kill "bleeding" enemies but it requires timing and the SP in killing "bleeding" enemies becomes all hers makes her S2 even more spammable. If you leak using S2 it means you miss the timing. not to mention that with the module it hits hard and it has a high damage multiplier too.
If you use her S3, Saga becomes a support unit, it hits hard (even harder with module) and can hit multiple enemies at once to leave a lot of "bleeding" enemies behind purposely for other operators to kill them.
Also make sure you use the modules that increase the damage she deals against low health enemies and not use the DP cost reduction one for both skills because she needs that damage to make enemies become "bleeding" fast.
Pozy didn't kill Schwarz. That award goes to Ray.
I agree with this. Pozy was never a true powercreep of schwarz because in practice trying to get the typewriter to hit the boss at the same time as her was a bit cumbersome and not always possible, and she always had one fewer tile of range and a worse cycle, not to mention her lower dph.
Ray has none of these problems. A shorter cycle, a strictly larger range, WAY more dph, not to mention the dps and 20s bind. She is as close to a strict upgrade as you can get.
Ironically, I had few use for Pozy anymore when Ray came. Not that Ray is a powercreep to Pozy, but she's much more flexible in practice.
@@bobjoe258 Schwarz does better than Pozy against enemies with higher defense when using her second module. Ray is better than both because she packs a heavy punch and gets quick reload with S3, and she can bind enemies with every shot. S2 is also cool to have some lane crontrol but it also risks spread focus.
"Aak has no niche"
What about killing Wisadel in coop
Based and grief pilled
I don't know, Blaze is still my go-to afk lane holder for 99% of the content. The multi target attack and 3 block helps a lot.
Poz powercreeping Schwarz is so funny to me because Poz ended up being super unpopular anyway due to the stronger DPS ops releasing after her and her being awkward to use. This is because in order to achieve max DPS with her, she (with the help of her module):
1. Needs to maintain a straight line at the enemy (only 4 tiles long at farthest). While she still does good damage without facing the enemy directly in front of her, her short range would still be a problem
2. Have her typewriter who happens to have a straight narrow line as its range right beside her *also* attacking the same enemy, for which ideally you'd want to deploy in front or behind her, but you can't always do due to map layouts
Funnily enough, I think Schwarz will age better than Pozy, simply because you can use her ATK buff talent to buff better snipers. Pozy can't really do that.
We already kind of saw that happening with CCB2.
i remember when poz banner came out i had been working on building schwarz because i was still a newbie with mostly 4* at the time. every guide i saw said she would be an amazing unit to use when i finally build her. then i got poz and everyone was saying how she was better so i switched all my resources to getting her e2, module and skills. now my schwarz is still e1 lvl1 and i can count on one hand the amount of times ive used poz. i dont trust guides anymore and just level whoever i feel like.
I would go so far to say pozy got powercrept harder than schwarz. I'm a veteran player and i have max level pozy but i am not even using her since typhon, ray or wis straight up better than her at her job whereas schwarz still has a niche for buffing those other powerhouse snipers while being a semi fast-redeploy unit. i've also switched schwarz to s2 since it's still powerful enough to take down elite enemies and it's ease of use synergies with her semi fast-redeploy nature.
Poze fell down faster than schwarz
How to Aak from the one Aak stan:
1) get mod3 (very important since it massively improves his control)
2) get S3M3
3) park him directly behind Penance and next to Skalter, facing Penance
4) blast that S3 on cooldown
5) Enjoy surprisingly good 100%-uptime control while Skalter keeps him alive and he helps Penance keep very high S3 uptime (which also means she’s getting lots of extra barrier).
If you don’t have Penance and Skalter, Shalem on S2 and any AOE medic are good alternatives.
Happy Aaking!
This also famously works on Lin to insane results. You really don't need Skalter for either scenario though...
To add to Aaknights; s1m3. It's super effective (and honestly the module synergises far better with s1)
@@marielcarey4288 +1 this, since it's coming up again soon Aak on S1 locks down Dolly really hard.
Me use aak on zuo Le and while s2 proc twice beforehand 😂😂😂
While most people will chose lin most of the time, Carnelian also works excellently with Aak. And he actually make her viable
9:10 Thorns, Mudrock and Mountain absolutely were 3 of the units that had a role in Blaze's fall. However, there are some units that definitely played a giant role in powercreeping her that one may not immediately think of.
Kal'tsit (and Mon3tr): Healer and laneholder/boss killer rolled into one. Skill cooldowns so fast they may as well be infinite. AoE on skill 2 and nuclear true damage on skill 3.
Chen The Holungday: yes, a ranged unit. True AoE. Absurd damage on skill 3 with a wonky range that let her strike multiple lanes. Crowd control.
And finally, the man himself, Młynar, who power crept every guard in the game at the time.
Like Blaze, he doesn't have self sustain. But he's insanely tanky. Much tankier than blaze at base. Costs about half as much to deploy. 5-target, aerial hitting, mixed physical and true damage on skill 3. 40 sp cost, 28 second uptime...
The Reaper sub class certainly didnt help either.
The reason it's hard to pin a real spot where blaze just fell off is because unlike the other units on the list, it took multiple units to push her out. Meanwhile Siege and Schwarz just croaked the moment Bagpipe and Pozy were released.
@@darkhavoc6104 and if that wasn't bad enough they followed up on Bagpipe by releasing Saga who was for all intents and purposes just Siege+
@EggyEggtoast truly salt in the wound. Almost like the devs thought "man we really F'ed up with Siege. Let's try again."
Y’know probably not the case for Mon3ter but Mon3ter has the benefit of being a summon with lesser redeployment time who’s its own little box of crazy, so long Kal’tsit is on the field
@@darkhavoc6104 it's so funny too cause Vina, the long-awaited alter for her, wasn't that good either.
All she do is true damage during skill then does nothing for good chunk of duration because her skill downtime kinda sucks and she really got nothing outside of the true damage.
Such a horribly designed unit that not only missed the mark once, but twice. I would've said HG hates her but she's literally the main character for good portions of the main story so I don't know why they fumbled her that bad.
Eh, I wouldn't call Mlynar or Chalter Blaze power creeps as they fulfill completely different rolls. Blaze, Murdock, Mon3tr, Mountain, and Thorns whole thing is that they can sustain and dish out consistent damage while blocking and giving time for other ops to dish out their stronger burst damage. Mlynar and Chalter are completely different. Mlynar literally cannot block enemies while his skill is inactive. He is one of the best DPS units in the game, but without someone to block and hold off the enemies during his downtime then, well, you'd just be letting enemies by him. Chalter is a ranged DPS unit, so I'm not going to explain why she's not comparable to Blaze or other cornerstone. Being powercrept in this game means that another operator came along to fulfill the role, but they do it so much better that the previous operator looks mundane in comparison. As Mlynar and Chalter fulfill completely different roles than Blaze, it would be inaccurate to say that they powercrept her. Mlynar did powercreep someone else, however: SilverAsh
Saying that 4 stars aren't used is crazy when we have Gravel and Perfumer that still do a ton today.
Also Ethan, who remains the ground crowd control GOAT.
Don't forget Myrtle and Jaye
i'll stop play this game if 4star is unplayable lol, for me 6star ops is just a bonus
1) Exusiai got rescued from the scrap heap by being given Typhon's defense ignore talent for her second module, making her able to chunk even enemy defenders with her s3. This puts her lightyears above her fellows Ash and Archetto.
2) Aak was and still is in high widespread use to anyone with an operator compatible with his buff, in early days you would aim it at Silverash before his S3, or maybe SkadiGuard, these days there are even more very obvious choices with massive ROI for it like Mlynar, Lin, Penance etc and post module he is even good on his own due to his constant healing and micro cc. At this point the only people who don't use him are either too afraid/lazy to learn or hate him for his appearance
3) Angelina is memetic but these days people who bother would tag team her with Weedy to take advantage of her global weight -1. I'm not saying this is a good and contemporary combo in 2024+1 but it is generally effective. This combination was used in high risk cc12 to stall the boss for a very long time
4) Broca IS good, as the only Centurion that does Arts damage (in a range that surpasses Blaze mind you), he laneholds in situations that Blaze would need help or outright fail in his place. Again, people are just afraid of his self stun.
not lightyears in Exu's case because Narantuya is still far stronger. I'd say a solid tier above Ash. On the same tier as the likes of Schwarz and Fiammetta.
after all, the module only fixes the Marksman problem (anti high-def) and not Exia's problem (skill cycling)
Then again, still very powerful
@@seirei_m I said lightyears above her fellows Ash and Archetto. Narantuya does not apply to this nor any sniper that is not Marksman otherwise I would not even bring her up and just concede to Typhon/Wisadel or whatever.
I have no opinion of Fiammetta I did not pull and have not been spooked but I really wont lie when I say I would rather use Mod-Y W instead if I wanted an artillery sniper or again Typhon/Wisadel.
@EggyEggtoast i mean, she's still not that far above Ash
Exu's new module does fix the archetype main problem but again, not Exia's problem itself in which the only way to actually control her is by using her as a helidrop
aak was so good in coop , every time i placed walter my friend placed him next to her and the i suddenly had another deployment slot
Absolute menace behavior
You forgot guard Ch'en. She got so powercrept by both Irene and Degenbrecher
Weirdly enough now that Degenbrecher exists, Chen is actually in a better place than Irene.
I mean in terms of damage, when Irene is better than Chen, Degen beats Irene by a significant amount.
Chen at least has her niche of being an SP battery for offensive recovery and defensive recovery operators. So she at least has something that Degen can't just copy and do far better. Is it a common niche? Probably not, but it at least exists.
In the other hand Irene is just worse Degen.
@@nabi7701 Irene still has niche which is levitate, although not really useful
@nabi7701 I actually kind of find it funny how before Degenbrecher came along, Irene completely powercrept Chen, but now with Degenbrecher, Chen at least has the niche of being able to support other good offensive recovery ops like Execalter and Fiammetta while Irene now has no niche
The thing about hellagur is that he got powercrept way before zuole's release.
his role for the most part is a one block lane holder, jaye can do that too
he has faster redeployment time, cheap (in terms of dp cost and to build since he's a 4☆), he can be healed by other units and can heal other units
the only downside is the -2 or -3 dp over time, that's it
As a reminder, Jaye's -3 DP ticks often enough to neutralize the base DP gain over time. When you plop him down, you're not dropping anyone else until your printer finishes cycling or you pull him back.
Wisadel can not powercreep your operators if she DIDN'T COME TO THE ARK!
Support units go brrr
Ch'en: For damage instead of ease of use, Irene. Degenbrecher then comes in and beheads both Ch'en and Irene 😭
Angelina: Actually the pinnacle of meta of early Contingency Contracts. Then Angelina just never appears anywhere ever again.
Angelina's IS module helped her gaining back her popularity
@EmuachPuff Same with Phantom. Bro just snaps Patriot. Despite IS modules being... limited to IS, they do a good job of bringing back old operators. I was slightly exaggerating for Angelina. But you do rarely ever see Angelina these days not counting IS and niche-knights.
10:32 I'd agree with you about the 4* thing if Totter didn't exist. The man just trivializes maps with invis enemies, including some invis bosses.
Personally i stopped using Hellagur when Jaye got introduced..... And he's a 4 Star....
Thorn release punched her to the gut, Montain's set her 6ft underground
lol
I still use them anyway, Schwarz in particular became a pseudo fast redeploy monster in the same vein as a bulky April, with her 2nd module and I use her S2 more. That's the thing. The ceiling for operator damage is sky high with Wiisadel but in practical situation most operators fulfill their roles even today the same way as they did back in the day, it's just that the gameplay options have become far more efficient through role compression. Ines is the everything Vanguard as long as she doesn't have to deal with anything other than fodder enemies. The only main issue with Siege is that she's too expensive as a Vanguard and doesn't fill the shoes of a pseudo Guard.
Penance for example is a near unstoppable snowball of destruction that took part from Hoshiguma's S2 and Skadi's S3 to become a laneholder monster with the only caveat of not having hp self heal but barriers. She's another example of role compression.
At the end Ak is a game about coming out with your own solutions. I've seen videos with year 1 and launch operators clearing modern stages and do just fine. If anything it involves you getting acquinted with the more granular aspects of the game and actually having to strategize instead of the spray and pray method these new and powerful 6* Ops enable.
I still use siege to this day she is extremely useful and slept on
What I didn't like on Blaze
There was never a chance to use her S3
I think Shining is a contender for most useless year one operator, her gimick isn't useful, her s3 takes way to long to charge, and her base art hasn't aged well.
True. Her static defense buff fell off really hard. Hell it fell off in the early years because people would field Ptilo and Warf in her place and just compensate through the better DPS they provide one way or another.
These days Shining is pretty much rendered obsolete by Abjurers, Quercus especially. Shelter is a percentile reduction that scales even if you find the amount rather underwhelming (Remember guys, the only thing that matters is that your healers can keep you over 0 HP), couple that with their much shorter attack interval and the unfortunate nature of DEF calculation, Shining is just mogged from multiple directions. There are many situations where Quercus succeeds in keeping operators alive where Shining and hell most contemporary medics fail, a popular example being Quercus sustaining Nian against H stage Steam Knight in a showcase video of Quercus' module
Sure you can use both, but fuck me if I'm gonna be forced to bring more pure healers than necessary, and Nightingale benefits from Abjurers WAY better since RES is also percentile and they stack additively.
@@EggyEggtoast One day, Shining will get her sword master alter, one day...
@@wollyram6248 Slightly off topic but what is with Shining fans and the disrespect for her character? Her using her sword again would be a violation of her character arc...
@@EggyEggtoastsince the beginning people have been like "she has sword she must use it and then she'll be good!" Because let's be real who's reading pages upon pages of small text concentrated at the bottom of the screen in a visual novel with an extremely low budget format
If she's the most useless then that's saying something cause she frequently pops up in afk guides, and survivability and defense are still things you can consider to succeed in gameplay. Notably the ending 2 boss in IS4. Not to mention she's just still a good medic.
I remember people trashed on medics as a whole quite a bit, but guess what, you actually need them. Isn't that something?
aak usage is actually pretty solid. He's featured in so many max risk clears to buff surtr, and his module makes him a decent unit for daily gameplay as well.
Hell of a christmas gift to get to see one of your arknights videos again! Certainly wouldn't say no to more!
to be honest, Schwarz is still a great bosskiller with her ModY and is even stronger than Poz against high defense enemies.
The real sadness is Ray's existence which put Schwarz to shame.
Even Poz in some cases. But Poz is still a powerful raw dps unit... altho Narantuya got released and the redhead is better than her in that regard:/
doesnt mean she aint good anymore though
someday people will stop whining about powercreep and play the ones they like.
I have a max module Aak, and I have to say he’s still really good, just not obvious to fit on to teams. Alone, he basically functions as a better slow supporter than the actual slow supporters, and as a support, he can combo with Mlynar or Penance to brute force your way through basically anything the game throws at you.
Dusk S3 got made into a new architype which does it way batter... i cant stress enough how they just looked at Dusk S3 and said, yea, lets make it into a new architype that functions well, architype and operator being Tecno the shaper caster
It's funny you say that, because I still find myself using them in RA over their "stronger" counterparts due to how their mechanics function.
>Everyone has W2
No lol. She's staying at level 1.
Yea sure they're not the standard now but I just used the "powercrept" operators just know and they're still good. And I will defend my Schwarz from any slander until the end of time. Or anyone mentioned here really.
Exactly, the game isn't competitive enough to warrant operators being powercrept, daily content ramps up much slower than our operators, with exceptions of some operators/ archetypes, most operators are very competent in there roles. that being said there are a handful of operators that are just plain bad or poorly designed
Me with lv1 her....but E2
So that i can put her in control room. Let's go Amiyi, Ex-wife, Ascalon, Fake Theri, and W2
Those don't have(me) nahh I'm good with typhon,ray and pozy atleast they have different skill I'm can use whatever situation needs and I'm gonna just borrow her😂😂😂
I didn't even pull for her. Got logos and stopped pulling. Sure seeing big red numbers annihilate any enemy is funny but it gets old fast and is a surefire away to lose interest in the long run.
If I ever feel like trivializing a stage I can always just borrow her, like every other meta operator in the game.
Executor Alt also powercreeps Blaze but he releases much later than the other laneholders.
Important to note that 6 star snipers have almost always powercrept each other with each new release. Only outlier is Rosmontis and maybe Fartooth. Most notable going from Pozy to Wisedale. Each new 6 star sniper powercrept the last.
yep but for wisadel, uuuhmm look like she gonna in the peak longer
that camoflage, nuke, slime shit servant is hard to powercreep
Powercreep doesnt really matter much in this game cuz most operators are still viable but not just on super hard stages. Tbh vanguards for example I still use siege, myrtle, and texas. I only borrow bagpipe if needed on CC(I wish I have her). People really overhyping/glazing saga when she came out for example when she cant even kill the enemies on her own due to her talent. Its insane how egoistic players view stuff when a new operator released is a "little bit" better then proceeds to call powercrept operator obsolete.
The truth is that meta chasing is unnecessary in this game. Even for high-level content like CC, you can still get the medal set with "suboptimal" operators like Schwarz or Silverash. I'm a year 5 new player and have operators like Mostima, Eyja, Schwarz built and they still carry me in every new event. The difference is that newer operators are becoming more "idiot-proof" like Wisadel and Ulpianus, who you can deploy nearly everywhere and not worry about them getting deleted.
I disagree, powercreep is an issue that will matter alot and if not countered, HG will make super hard stages a regular occurence in the future that will make powercrept/bad operators less viable in the future.
I'd say you should try to be less complacent about it.
People doesn't want to waste their mats on a weaker units, so yeah, it does matter.
yep, i agreed, 6star ops only matter on high-level content like CC, in story ? nah just use 4star and you can clear it till ch14 (maybe some boss stage need 5star or 6star but no need for new ops)
@@wickeddave5148 well, some people probably too competitve playing this game lol but this PvE game not PvP, its doesnt matter at all, already play this game since release, and still use some "old" ops on CC and newest ch, and i rarely use 6star, probably people need to stop brute force and start play this game with their brain xD, but yeah that just my opinion, people have choice to play this game like they want
And still to this day belongs my heart and my account to my beloved Chainsaw Kitty Blaze
The only regular use for normal W that i can think of is for the skill book stage tbh
man, i really feel wasting originum for normal W, she just for decoration now
Aak he still uselful for one thing that he does better than other buffer, giving SP to Lin with her talent and grant her ASPD buff and ATK buff at the same time
5:47 don't forget that tayo is status ailment immune during s2 while Texas deals 2 hits per atk
I don't even use wisadel in events since it make the stage easier to clear...
I think siege was powercreeped by saga
Yeah her s2 literally siege s2 but manual, but what make shine more is she can feed flagbearer/any ops with those sweet juicy 2sp last hit enemy
And not to mention her s3 is aoe but has extra range with a plus gives dp unlike siege
people keep forgetting about Savage she is a Centrurion vanguard too.
Aak is the Funniest CrowdControl u can get
I dont really think Pozy powercreeps Schwarz in the BROADER sense.
Does Pozy has more damage when stars align? Absolutely. But Schwarz having that fast redeploy module and only requiring ONE good tile instead of two makes her SOOO much more comfy to use + she scales so f*cking hard with attack buffs, that even a level 7 Warfarin buff will make her delete shit.
Ray is much more of a Schwarz powercreep than Pozy cause she can do what Schwarz does, but from the other side of the f*cking screen, in fact Ray powercreeps both.
But hey, i love my Fast Redeploy Schwarz and will defend her until the end of times, her uptime is great even for general DPS.
Its gonna be crazy when W alter gets powercrept considering W alter pretty much outclasses the entire Sniper class by herself.
The funny thing is, the general consensus at the time when the game drop is that Siege is probably the worst 6 stars to get and you are better just use other pioneer. So she is not powercrept, she has never been in position of power in the first place lmao. The only one that is even considered to be on par with her or even worse is Angelina when you don't have good shift operators as a beginner.
Came here from a Supah video to say that Hellagur got powercrept by Jaye, a 4-star.
i've been an aak main since day 1 and i cant imagine not using him. like 98% of my gameplay is trying to find dynamic ways to use him bc he's by no means weak to use, he just need more mental attention sometimes. I used to hate playing IS because i thought aak was unrunnable and his dynamic gameplay (positioning, stat checking, buff management, hp management) didn't suit the format, but then I decided fuck the meta and brought him. It went great! the little guy is genuinely really strong, and he just makes others stronger. He's my first truly maxed out 6star besides a s2m3. he's genuinely one of my most active supports as well, which always is exciting
now if only i could steal all the potential off my friends aak for my 0 potential aak.
I don't think Blaze got powercrept it's just lane holder role that's become common nowadays. With many options for lane holder Blaze job becomes a lot easier because now I can use multiple lane holder at my squad. Sure Thorn, Mountain & Mudrock are self sustain but Thorn is not tanky, mountain lacks dps & Mudrock sometimes get overun by horde of rush type enemy. Blaze is minimum standards of how meta lane holder should be.
8:48 I only use Aak in RA because i need to buff my Surtr to kill bosses in no man's land in time especially THAT DAMN CROCODILE PRIESTESS
My real worry in AK as a newer (8 month) player is not really what is powercrept but more that the game gives you not enough resources to build many of the units you pull. I have at least 10 unbuilt 6* and almost all the 5* operators are unbuilt. Rather than worrying about who is powercrept, I'd just like to be able to use some units instead of always being resource starved. I don't quite understand this game compared to my old gatcha where units were harder to come by, but you could always raise them to power pretty easily once acquiring them. I guess maybe they intend you to refresh energy for LMD or something but it seems not very efficient. Maybe I am misunderstanding and maybe this is not an issue for long time (5 yr) players.
Siege didn't fell off because of flagpipe imo, she fell off because of Saga who did EVERYTHING Siege did but better, and while doing that she also got a self sustain that Siege needed for lane holding.
Yeah HG really went for the Siege kill with that one, there's no denying it, I don't think there's a single situation where Siege is better than Saga
3:50 the Swedish accent does things to me too. and yes, it is Swedish. I checked by looking up the voice actor, very Swedish.
I want y'all to give me reasons to stop using Fuze S1 and main Blaze S2
@@funky339 blaze has better stats and a small built in heal. Also is fuze s2 good, he's a really good welfare
Sideroca new module that release with the new Vivianna module makes her kit OK plus add some needed damage. Idk but Viv module is crazy good
@The Omni Blade
Yes, typhon has a swedish accent, I can confirm as someone who was born and raised in Sweden.
The key thing in regards to power creep IMO is its so negligible for 95% of content.
If you're just casually farming stages or playing the game, a lot of the difference wont really matter. You probably wouldn't notice that much of a difference using Blaze over Mountain for a regular stage you're farming. The only time it really may show is in much higher level content or boss stages.
You may find yourself having a much easier time using the newer shinier unit compared to the older power crept one. Not to say using the older unit is impossible, but might require a little more effort.
Also, the older units might still fill a niche the newer one cant. Schwarz S3 still has that niche of being a straight line AoE which can be useful in very specific situations. And also talents can also bring a utility as well. Especially those with team buffs like Schwarz.
While Bagpipe did happen to Siege, I want to point out someone else that happened to her that commonly goes overlooked: Saga. Saga's kit is pretty much a direct upgrade of Siege's kit. Her skill 2 is similar to Siege's skill 2, except it generates 1 more DP, has a higher damage modifier, and can be activated manually so that way you can get the DP even if there weren't enemies to attack to get it. Meanwhile her skill 3 is her main DPS skill, like Siege's, except it actually generates DP. Her first talent even acts as a bit of an SP battery when defeating an enemy (albeit for other operators as Saga can only benefit from it with her skill 2)
Also, I'm not really much of a Siege fan, but I am a little tired of seeing people complain about Siege's alter not being good. Her 1st skill is consistent True damage with no drawbacks and her 3rd skill is high True damage with no drawbacks. Considering how many mechanics True damage bypasses, from DEF and RES to dodge, and considering that almost every form of True damage we got in the past was either low (Hoederer, Cliffheart, and Mlynar) had drawbacks (Amiya retreating, Mon3tr ATK decaying plus needing to use up 2 deployment to slots) or was difficult to apply properly (Civilight Eterna's skill 2 being a bit difficult to aim, Weedy's skill 3 being based on push distance, and Nearalter's skill 3 requiring her to block the enemy) while Vina has none of that, just full on strong True damage with no drawbacks that's easy to apply, you guys as Siege fans got a really strong Alter for her, meanwhile us Viviana fans over here had to wait for her module in order for her to be good
wis'adel is the new surtr. oh dear..
Siverash got powercrept by Młynar
people talk about siege being powercrept, but she was never a powerful unit in the first place. even during launch days iirc siege and texas were considered in the same tier. this powercreep logic in arknights is only relevant in CCs. you put siege and some healing, and she's good at the same things as 5 years ago, laneholding + stable dp generation. clicking saga's skill is a pain and i only feel the need to bring flagpipe for quick dp or annilatio. and ines doesn't want to come home! i have been bringing siege and schwarz to most stages.
siege never leave my main team since release as vanguard lol
5:50 no not my boy phantom, in my heart he was never powercrept
@@hideandslide4586 He can be at two places at once and his other self is the epitome of fast redeploy. That's good enough for me. He's like duckt tape for my strategies.
Holymoly its been along you posted Arknights stuff.. all i can say i still love your content dude
I didn't realize it was almost a full year ago... I got more on the way
Everyone forgets that Arknights isn't PvP, so the meta doesn't matter. If an operator was powerful, they are still just as powerful if someone stronger comes along. You don't have to beat Walter; she's on your side. You just have to beat the baddies, and all these older operators can still do that just fine in most cases. For example, I have both Blaze and Gavial alter at level 90, M6. All the analysts agree that Gavial is stronger. So who do I use the most? Blaze. She is powerful *enough* and more convenient for me.
yep 100% agree, also if this game is unplayable using 4-5star operator then there a problem, as long you have 6star, you safe
I quite disagree with both Aak and Schwarz the most, but you know, enough people have talked about Aak, regarding Schwarz, I haven't seen anyone mention her 2nd module? While, if you're looking at purely damage numbers, sure she got power crept but practicality wise, she is still useful enough to be seen. Her first Module makes her a pseudo quick-redeploy boss killer, really useful for bosses that move a lot/reposition constantly and her Module 2, while more niche, has dodge negation. That is insanely strong for a multitude of bosses that have dodge chance built in.
Also, if you're going to try defining some power creeping as just simply not having a niche then the only ones that belong here are probably Phantom and Hellagur.
Siege is still a core for Vanguardknights for both her innate vanguard buffs + helidrop potential on S3, the issues you mention for Skadi are also kind of prevalent in Ulpianus and not many really talk about that simply because Abyss Hunters are a strong and popular enough niche, Mostima's niche use is way more niche than Skadi and Aak so it is weird to put her as a side note than as a core of the list, and lastly, you mentioned Blaze's niche quite well.
All this aside, I do agree that Siege, as much as I like her, did get power crept,
Phantom, is just dead, executors are too absurd and the only thing making him look better is now the upcoming Crownslayer (Which is just tragic for her),
Hellagur, I've never used him (Unfortunately, I really wanted him back then, and still do) but the general consensus is his stats are simply too low / skills were not enough to keep up with current stuff,
and while Blaze is strong, yea she's power crept but honestly, that's just an issue of guards being too absurdly strong nowadays.
Edit: Also remember it's a PVE game, while all these characters are power crept, you can still realistically make use of 99% of characters in most of the game, it is simply whether you want to think or just brute force your way through with "meta"
My goat Myrtle still good to this day
TILL THIS DAY!!!
Make a video about ops that improved with age, yes I want you to talk about Ceobe.
As a dadadadada enjoyer, do I have good news for you
i see W in thumbnail and well, jokes on you
W still holds well nowadaays and i mean the OG W not wisadel
the fact there are stronger options doesnt mean W cant be used just as easily as other ops
Anyone can get powercrept if u try hard enough
God tier content. Merry Christmas
I have Aak M8(S1M2) and all I can say it's worth it
I managed to get my Spalter to 50k+ MaxHP thanks to that
Really want to remind about his S2
also Heidi S2 can give MaxHP :)
I do think that Blaze is still good, many players including me still use her for AFK laneholding. On the other hand Angelina, Shining and even Exu got hit hard by powercreep the most.
What game was being played in the outro?
Unicorn Overlord.
My Schwartz cannot fall off (Yes I breathe copium)
2:24 yapp sess😭🙏
Sijce i watch afk run often blaze is still used quite a lot. Gavial alter have higher dps but her skill dont last forever
Wait Omni what game is that at the end of video?? It's looks fun
@@aryayustisia1191 unicorn overlord
On the topic of Siege, I can absolutely recommend maxing out her Y module!
It gives her way more SP and becomes a battery for other vanguards.
I think it really carved out a niche for her in high enemy density scenarios!
remember flamebringer ?
My bro got powercrept by melantha ☠️☠️☠️
He wss the first one to be powercrept on his release
Flamebringer finally got the fix that Tectone suggested way back then. With the module not requiring himself to do the kills for HP. Yes I can mention him, this ain't Reddit.
is perfumer good?
Yes, her passive healing is one of very few sources of global healing also she can heal enimity units with it as well, plus as a 4* she doesn't need too much resources to be good
Still one of the best Healer
I only bring 3 Healer between Lumen Eyja and Perfurmer
Unless they make an explicit 5/6* version of her kit she will never be dethroned from her personal seat.
@@EggyEggtoastnow that I think about it, I really want a 6 star multi target medic that has one of those permanent duration skill that increases atk and talent multiplier, and their talent being a regeneration based on own atk.
Who wouldn't want an Eyjaberry but trading element healing for infinite range
@@marielcarey4288 6* Chain Medic trust.
It's basically the only way one would be relevant in a post eyja world.
The man is back!!!!!!
Let's not forget, Waifu > Meta. As someone who rerolled several times (cuz my luck is dogwater) I can say burnout is worse than an unbeatable level.
Nyet! Siege is fine!
I have to honestly disagree with Aak. The reason why hardly anyone uses him is because he's just not that easy to use. But with his module he is a good sniper off skill and with skill 3 it is not the +50% ATK that is relevant but the +50 ASPD. Hardly any operator buffs ASPD even today and +50 is huge outside of Integrated Strategies and SSS. The best thing about his buff is that it kind of stacks with other buffs
Also as someone who has the Schwarz figure: the price is reasonable for the quality you are getting. Most of the other Arknights figures can't really compare
I want her so bad man but space is a bitch for me rn so I'll have to settle for the future. That Skalter from Apex tho...
Skadi needing a squad to buff her? It's the other way around, Skadi's module gives the squad 22% attack buff. Skadi is the most useful when she buffs her entire squad.
"They fell off"
Me: _still using Siege_
Who knew a perfectly good stat stick, capable of dealing decent damage, and recovering dp pretty well, is still usable, huh? Her skill 1 is still a decent afk dp printer, especially good in this era of afk play, and her skill 3, while the stun is utterly unreliable, does good damage. First operator on 17 January 2020, it's 26 December 2024, i still use her. I just used her today. I never quit arknights. I have the meta vanguards built. Siege is still good.
I guess i fell for the rage bait yet again, but it genuinely irritates me to see people trash on Siege at every turn. I guess thats my soft spot of having used her in play for almost 5 years talking. I even brought her along here and there as a secondary 'premium' vanguard on by IS4 d12 badge hunting and she wasnt a standout but she stood her ground and made dp. I also brought her to RA 1, she worked decently. SSS, including the first iterations where it was rng hell + rush to goldenglow/irene, she was good there too. Surprise, the rigid high difficulty CC isn't an optimal place for her.
You cant take her into the hardest of hardest content, sure, but if shes still going to work on average day to day play, and pull her weight in scenarios with some difficulty, how does that translate to "We must trash on her very existence"? Pioneers are still a perfectly good class that you can use in this game.
There a line between usable character and good character just keep that in mind and as game develop the standard about which is good also develop as well, so Siege is suck…yeah deal with it, she usable? Completely agree but good? Nah
Siege was good for, like, the first few updates leading up to annihilation 3. After that, she started falling off. You see, when you use a vanguard, what do you want them to do? That's right, print DP.
Now, Skill 2? It's certainly a decent skill. Her bread and butter. Decent damage, true aoe. But there's that measly 3 DP per skill activation. And if you dont get a kill, that's another 10 seconds for another 3 DP.
Skill 3? Okay. Cool. It does damage. You know what it doesnt do? The one singular god damn thing I need my vanguards to do.
PRINT DEPLOYMENT POINTS.
Now, you mentioned skill 1. A good DP printing skill... You know who else has that same exact skill? Texas. A 5 star, who gives you 2 extra dp just for existing, and costs 1 dp less to deploy.
This is the very same reason why no one uses Saileach over Myrtle or Elysium. She does the same exact job, but that makes her *worse* due to the nature of her being a 6 star.
Bagpipe's release brought Siege crumbling down to obscurity because she costs less DP. She generates DP on kill, which isn't an issue because she does way more damage. And she refunds all DP on retreat.
Finally, no one said Pioneers are bad. They said *Siege* is bad. Flametail and Saga (and Texas) are still good and vastly superior to Siege, with Saga literally being "Siege but actually good." It's time to take those rose-tinted glasses off.
somehow i feel siege is more usable than siege, and yes i have both of them and i use siege more lol, probably coz i s2m3 siege already and dont want wasting mats on bagpipe lol
@@arc8218 siege more usable than siege…tf?
unrelated but what game was that in the end of the video?
Unicorn Overlord
@KnoxZone thank you! Based of the (brief) gameplay and the visual, looks like something that I would enjoy.
Yeah I kinda disagree with blaze, she's still really good. place behind an ulpianus on skill 2 and not even steam knight is getting through.
Is no one gonna mention Silver Ash? I genuinely forget he exists cause there isn't any thing he does that others don't, especially since modules give invisibility reveal to some operators now
i use him as "ops with niche skill" now, just to reveal enemy, for guard i mostly use thorn or mlynar
Bri don't like Schawarz
I disagree with aak. There's noone in arknights who can do better than what he does best, killing my own dps.
Well
no
Pozzy is a good DPS unit but actual trash when it comes to hard-hitting bosses/elites
you aren't killing anything with those mere 2k damage per hit
and there isn't always a tile where you can put the turret so bye bye def reduction
and typhon is clumsy as hell all my gomies hate typhon
siege was offed by saga who is directly better at everything she does since the flagpipe isn't always viable as you sometimes don't have enough time to start dp producing(also hi chapter 12 we despise flagguards here)
phantom was never good to begin with
zuo le is a better laneholder but in no way a better single target staller,he dies really quickly compared to the gru
I agree but have you thought about how useless Schwartz is too in most circumstances then? Any tile access makes Pozy better which is so easy.
Typhon is not hard and requires one test run to figure out the necessary pattern so actual skill issue.
The Siege copers take me way to seriously like hfs you think I deleted their OP from their account or something.
Mushas were never good. End of discussion.
I don't know, I can't see myself replacing blaze with anyone
I often see Mudrock compared with Penance so I assume she plugs red boxes and isn't the actual lane holder of her team, and thorns doesn't even start to compare with blaze, if he can hope to powercreep someone it's maybe Lappland
The one place where I feel like Blaze got forgotten is that one weird new module-farming game mode where you have to replace your operators every ten seconds so there's no point in charging their infinite skills
yeah but I like Schwarz :)
The real Blaze powercreep is Ulpian + Glaiida/Strong medic
He does more damage with the same block and aoe
The only thing he does worse than her is the range
(I’m talking about S2 btw)
Thorn(and his module), Mountain, other afk/lane holder does play a part in making her “fall off” but we never really have anyone who can just be deploy and do a good amount of dph like her
Mountain get f over by slightly high def enemies, Thorn is single target (his module help a lot tho), and Mudrock can’t really be use with medic and is quite expensive to start with (she doesn’t need a medic and her module help her a lot)
Ulpian has around the same cost as her but with better stat and his 2nd skill basically turn him into a better Blaze but without the range and his best “medic” is free and he can be use with other medic
He is the closest thing you can get to Blaze powercreep in my opinion because before this she does more damage than Mountain, has better block than Thorn and is aoe, and doesn’t cost like 30+ dp to start with and these trait are pretty important
If anything Mountain is the one being left in the dust compare to other lane holder but he still is effective for daily so you do see him sometimes.
I would say Gavial Alter became mid over blaze, blaze at least still has a spot in alot of low op clears for trust farms/afk setups. gavial alter i havent used in a good bit and i haven't seen used in any videos since release, not even in event challenge clear videos.
Lmao what? Gavial2 mid?
Afk is literally the only thing Blaze has over Gavial2. Otherwise Gavial is pretty much better in every aspect.
what's the name of the game on your outro?
And this powercreep lead me to stop playing rather early on
It became very obvious around 1st anniversary what path the game was taking
@@Zretgul_timerunner welp, its your loss then
Personally, the powercreep isn't that big of an issue.
@@Zretgul_timerunner looks like a you problem
>letting others influence the way you play
lol
lmao
@@Zretgul_timerunner bro i literally still using some old ass operator like in the video said, my new op only Walter, mylnar, and ulpi, the rest is old operator, and still clear all chapter without problem ( i dont spam wisadel btw, she make the game too easy), ill stop play this game if 4star operator is unusable, 6star operator just a bonus like collection. Try play this game with UR BRAIN dont BRUTE FORCING every stage with 6 star operator. also dont let other people influence how you play
I can kinda understand you pissed at blaze here that she fall off but comparing her with galter (or mudmud, thorny or mountain)? Just because she's(he's) survive better rather than put wait and done (you still need to activate galter skill and find out yourself btw)
It's like you comparing Lumen with shinning being down bad when both got powercrept by a goat or ram....
Look here sweetie, do your research properly in fact should you put blaze as honorary mention like i can give you operators that suck from past and present with explanation why and you would agree or just cope while malding i was right:
Pallas, she's good yeah but when HG making another minos? Bro minos is like ancient relic in this game society now like higashi with matoi skin
Silverash being powercrept far too long and the only use for him now is revealing invisible 😂😂😂 suck i know but here's reality in Lord class, Qu bai eventhough she was year 3 operator and look how fumble jumbo dumbo her kit is like seriously you need suzuran just to make her attack from tickle to scratch 😅
Talk about sniper or medic well no comment we have roach and goat so no need further understanding.
What about supporter class? Well we have Maggie being never been use due to her needing understanding to use rather than blue dragon just need DP anyway.
Ironic.
lol, for support class ling literally the only ops i use, the rest ? collection only
@arc8218 3 dogs with mach 3 speed and very small map with 2 blue box: hello Bozo's