@@JamesBond-su7hj yes but why does alberta have to give Quebec equalization payments up to 14 billion EVERY FKN YEAR!…if you think alberta cannot survive without Canada you are badly mistaken!…that 20 billion that we give to eastern Canada every year says we DONT NEED YOU …YOU NEED US TO SURVIVE!
@@dianedyck3474Quebec always had subsidies longer than any other province. They had cheaper childcare rates longer than any other province. Second if a province wants to leave Canada then go ahead. It’s up to that province to create there own currency, their own health care, and other necessities to help people live in that province will be on there own So essentially that province would collapse. Take a look at Quebec many years ago when they tried to separate all the big banks and big companies moved to Toronto because they don’t want to take that chance and suffer consequences.
@@demetriuskoitsopoulos8672 well we have oil and we won’t collapse but Canada will not have the lifestyle the eastern elites have become accustomed to…Quebec will suffer the mist …no more equaluzation for all those first you have now!
Don't sound so pouty all the time. To me the 'general feeling of unfairness' tells me that they just want to be mad tell me Albertan to Albertan what you are mad about and don''t say transfer payments, I am sick of it.
I live in Alberta and I’m all in on this one. It’s time for us to start distancing ourselves from Ottawa we are being trampled in this province and it’s time to stop this BS now
@dianelowe7877 I mutually respect you too, I’m 28 and never met a person from East Canada in person who has showed anything but vitriol or disrespect for my homeland. I appreciate this.
Pppffffttttt........bunch of babies in Alberta! Alberta was in a recession before Trudeau, but have NO problem blaming Trudeau for ALL their ills....freaking joke!
Sure, they could leave and do it on their own. But if they think they can take OVER half of all other provinces assets in the fund - good fucking luck! In other words, it's not going to happen. Alberta knows this. So they are posturing for some other ASK from the rest of the country, or in other words, from the federal government.
Quebec never joined in the beginning, and when Kenney first brought this idea forward they weren't saying no, they were saying how the hell do they want to do this? Looking over Quebec's shoulder and seeing the cook gave them a little extra broccoli will get us no where fast. As yourself what will benefit Alberta.
Why was it done that way? I am presuming, of course, that you checked to see if you were receiving the funds that you earned in Quebec. If not you might have a very merry Xmas this year if you start making some snotty phone calls.@@Zack_Crane
Freeland is opposed to Alberta's exit from CPP at least partly on the "CPP is one of Canada's crown jewels" sentiment. Freeland's opposition is a definite plus for exit.
So, you admire liars, eh? Don't forget during the last election, she said she would NOT touch pensions. She said it at a time when this LifeWorks company was being paid to write this fantasy report. She is a liar and is pandering to a group of people who are uneducated mouth breathers.
It's about time there was a leader that's not afraid to start taking this joke of a country apart! Smith is that leader! As Alberta continues to gain strength, even against the will and policies of the clown show (aka the governing liberals and the PM Justine) it is becoming clearer that the ROC needs Alberta and it's revenues more than Alberta needs the ROC! Keep up the great work Premier Smith!
if you think our country is a joke why don't you leave, go to China or Russia or North Korea see if you have a better life there!!! The only joke is you thinking some pigs are more important then the rest of the animals on the farm...if you don't know what that means get educated!
Alberta is obviously positioning itself for separation, and not only in this regard but also with the takeover of RCMP operations within the province, and there's sure to be more.
It is absolutely not, separating into a new country is a significant undertaking, and Alberta absolutely does not have what it takes to do that. This is just Alberta being mad their biggest and only industry is dying. 30 years from now when OnG is dead, Albertans would be happy they can rely on CPP contributions of other provinces. Unless this stupid bill passes.
@@xylo5750 Lol, unfortunately if Alberta's economy suffers so does the rest of Canada on the whole. Price of a barrel of Oil vs CAD$, it's all related.
@@xylo5750 Who says we'd want to be a separate country? We could join the US as the 51st state. Good luck trying to get us back then with the US military on our side.
I WOULD DO EXACTLY WHAT ALBERTA IS DOING CAUSE I HAVE NO TRUST IN OTTAWA . ALBERTA NEEDS TO PROTECT ITSELF FROM OTTAWA AND SO DOES OTHER PROVINCECES . TIME TO MOVE BUSINESS TO ALBERTA
WHEN YOU TYPE IN LARGE LETTERS IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE THROWING A TANTRUM. WERE YOU AROUND WHEN LOUGHEED TURNED OFF THE OIL TAPS IN 1980? TRUDEAUS DAD WAS TRYING TO MAKE CANADA OIL INDEPENDENT (kind of what albertan are screaming for now ironically). SEE-NATIONAL ENERGY PROGRAM. LOUGHEED AND BIG OIL WOULDNT GIVE A LARGER CUT OF THE PIE AS ASKED SO LOUGHEED BANKRUPTED THE PROVINCE BY SHUTTING DOWN OIL. MY FRIENDS PARENTS LOST THEIR HOME AND THEY NAMED A MOUNTAIN AFTER LOUGHEED FOR BEING A PIG HEADED BABY. IM NOT SURE WHO IS STUPIDER HERE IN 2024
They would be like Quebec (QPP). Quebec's QPP is doing fine and has not been in trouble since mid 70's. The politicians have a good pension plan for only 6 years service. It's so unreal that people are saying it is illegal. Doesn't matter because the politicians are mostly lawyers and they can pass anything (eg. GST).
It would be way better than quebec because they put a clause saying that they must invest in quebec companies only. This restriction stops them from higher profits outside of quebec
Separate pension, separate official language act, separate schools ensign, separate tax facility. This report highlights once more that the laurentians of Canada are more dedicated to exploiting western Canada than doing anything close to telling the truth or doing reconciliation on what they’ve done to us and our native Americans. Even if we get less than 10% of the CPP contributions back I’d rather leave and take the hit and begin the path away from exploitation, domination, and coercion.
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The CPP investment board has been telling us they are doing an amazing job, for years. If this is true, there should be plenty of pie to share among everyone at the table.
The CPP has over $475 BILLION dollars in the pot, no wonder Trudeau wants to dip into it, by giving $15 BILLION to China, in Jan/2018, just because he can, even though the Feds, don't contribute one penny, to the CPP fund!!!
While I agree with you about the payments, sadly, it is set up in a statute law- and it will take 7 years to get it changed. We can't get a government to hold a policy for 7 years federally so they are pretty secure that we can't make that happen. What eastern Canada is not interesting in hearing is that you can't get blood from a stone- no gas money means no payments to Ottawa.
Will that attitude continue in 20-30 years when fossil fuels are basically done? The equalization payments out of AB are already declining. They may even turn positive into AB someday.
The more autonomous Alberta and Saskatchewan can become, the better off we’ll be. We simply do not share values with eastern Canada as we once did in the past. Irreconcilable differences, divorce time.
It would help us here in Eastern Canada as well. Because we get handouts every year, our governments refuse to do business deals. We could make much more money than we would get with Alberta handouts.
There are PLENTY of Albertans like me who feel more Canadian than they feel Albertan. You should get off the farm every once in a while. Unfortunately, we have had many politicians who rage farm the idea that poor old wealthy, closed minded Alberta has been dealt a bad hand, just to grow their political power.
Try thinking about something else for a while. Your 'we' is not all of us. I was talking to a very intelligent man one day and he figured you might get about a third of the province, if you got that.
The key is to invite all commies and other oxygen wasters to find an ocean and peacefully swim away. I reccomend a Northern Ocean. I'm sure Hudson's Bay is lovely this time of year. Alternatively, patriotic Albertans could just arrest the commies and oxygen wasters for treason and sentence them to summary capital punishment. @@evasartorius9528
Speak for yourself, mate. I love it in Alberta, and most of us want nothing more than Alberta to remain a part of a whole Canada. It doesn't help when you have separatist nutjobs like our premier inventive nonsensical narratives so she can pretend to be queen of her own country. Alberta is not a country. It is a province of one and shall remain so.
They are only a contributor because of the resources. If they leave they won’t be allow to keep what makes them rich. They are stupid if they think that’s the case. They will be a land locked poor country dependent on the rest of Canada.
Well, I see that many Albertans feel and react today like many Quebecers did 50-60 years ago! Go for it Alberta, you deserve better and I'm sure many Québécois will support you in this
Well THAT is odd. Poll Albertans and many will say Quebec in particular and Central Canada in general, not to mention native son Trudeau, is WHY they would want to leave in the first place. They are complaining about the likes of equalization and Federal transfer payments in the preceding string of comments. Quebec is the Province that sucks up most of BOTH. In 2023-24, the Government of Quebec will receive $28.7 billion through major transfers. Equalization to Quebec is $14 billion for the year out of a total equalization payments $23.9 billion for the entire country (i.e. Quebec gets 60% of the total). Transfers to Alberta in comparison will total $7.7 billion with $0 in Equalization. The other provinces getting Equalization are MAN, ON, NB, NS, PEI.
@@KOZMOuvBORG I don’t disagree. And so many comments here are based on ignorance of the system and how it actually works. And the potential implications of opting out of confederation. And so it goes…
@@timphiey Pretty sure the Indigenous peoples get a say on whether that ever happens. They have literally hundreds of treaties with the federal Canadian government and the natives have zero trust they will be fairly treated under provincial jurisdiction.
@@donalddavis6684not a chance, don’t like the 🎉night wingers in Alberta. Maybe we can get rid of those Albertans retired in BC. BC can also charge big fee for Alberta moving their oil thought out beautiful coastline.
She is a bitter and Albertans deserve her. Leave, Canada don’t need a right wing province and green energy is coming. Alberta is so short sighted. Wait till oil is below $45 or $50.
As an ontarian I am worried about this however, if we had been abused like Ottawa has abused Alberta I could understand why they want out. Ottawa has refused to recognize how important the west is to our country but bends over backward to appease Quebec. I think Alberta leaving is a terrible outcome but completely understandable given the trudeau families hatred toward them and Ottawa's willingness to mistreat them.😮
They block 90% of beneficial pipeline projects to move gas from western Canada to the world attacks on farmers using fertilizer you are living in a bubble K
What???? Alberta thinks it's entitled to HALF of what's in CPP.....personally, I wish they'd leave Canada altogether. The _REAL_ engine of Canada is Ontario. Alberta has 1/3 the population of Ontario...do the math(not even counting Qweebec here), how much have they contributed to the entire pot,& why o why do they think they deserve HALF???!!! They came to Ottawa, organizing the Freedumb Convoy, wreak all kinds of havoc to the citizens of Ottawa, then crawl back to their sand dunes and claim victimhood. I got no use for the Alberta mindset. They should lobby to become the 51st state. Northern Texans they be indeed. _They,_ need Ontario, not the other way around. Ontario is a very powerful economy, plenty of industry, we're almost a mini-country on our own. We need Alberta like we need another round of Trudeau in office. I even read about somebody from Calgary complaining how Ontarians, moving there, are making it like Toronto, lol... driving too crazy for that person, lol...saying 'wait until winter'.....??? like Toronto doesn't get snow..... Albertans have the presence of mind like a Trump supporter, lol
Majority of true Canadians don’t want Alberta to leave ! What we want is major issues to be re- evaluated to make it fair for all of the provinces we need to first of all bring in a PM that is fair and realistic, we the people need them to insure that the Charter of Rights are uphold and insure that Ottawa be limited to its manipulation and overreach . Most importantly we need to dismantle the division that has built up over time towards Western Canada . Change is coming it’s overdue time to take back our country from imbeciles !
@stradzarovich9381 I want Alberta to leave also. They can keep all their dang money we don’t need the 20 Billion sent to The Federal Government every year.
@stradzarovich9381 Exactly sure if Alberta leaves they will not get to enjoy the strict government control on what they say or watch. Which is strange because Germany controlled the media also using tactics from Joseph Gobbles.
Not me. The UCP is pretty sloppy with the governance. Smith actually told that one guy that the CPP fund didn''t need all that paper work done on it and every cent accounted for because we were going to get so much.
hahahahaha.......ONLY an idiot would trust Smith with this! Alberta should start it's own APP, but the people who've already paid into CPP, will have a split pension based on contributions to both!
probably the same place as yours if you live in Alberta and think this is a bad idea, I know math isn't a strong suite for you liberal / NDP voters though, I feel for ya @@billybobbocephus2177
@@billybobbocephus2177 Ignore the paid for Conservative War room aliases spreading fud on the forums here . Their job is to convince Albertans with a method used like Cambridge Analytica... Consider that a 60% Foreign owned oil industry that is struggling and needs an injection of funds. where to better get those funds then stealing it from the CPP. Albertans will watch their existing pension they already have (just moved) get invested in an industry that is slowly dying as The EU Banks, Norway's central bank, and Sweden's central bank have all bailed on investing. Consider the timing of all this D. Smith talk as the guide lines for fossil fuel subsidies restrictions start at the end of 2024-25. And all this ugly rhetoric regarding separatism in trying to involve BC joining Alberta to leave. well that's because LNG is also affected. I'm hoping Canadians are smart enough (with out getting a lobotomy) to see through the bullshit that is trying to rip our Country apart.
Were you outside much last summer? The air still hasn't cleaned out. Someone has to take control of this mess. It is inter provincial and the AB government simply does not want to. So you have any idea how another summer like the last one will affect the cost of health care? Not to mention insurance premiums. Or would you rather be like Florida when insurance companies are refusing to honor hurricane damage. Ms Smith is not governing for Albertans she is governing against Ottawa and can''t fit her head around the greater good.
@@evasartorius9528 Have you recognized the fact wild fires are a natural thing? By not allowing the ground fuel to burn off regularly, it causes the major fires.
Have you recognized how snotty and condescending you are? Any idiot cansay the wildfires are a part of the cycle of regeneration.@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors
You are trying to preach about something you have very little understanding of. I have lived up here all my nearly 70 years. What you are missing with your snotty condescension is that where there is more than just miles and miles of more miles and miles are people's homes and livelihoods. Thousands of homes were destroyed, people were seriously injured and the number of timber berths that went up in smoke will put a lot of people in the logging industry out of work. for many years to come. If you are going to harvest the burned over bush you have to get it the first year or some kind of bug gets in there and starts to eat it.There are likely more people employed in forestry than there are in the oil fields -or were.The farmers whose live stock went...somewhere. Homes in settlement so far back in the bush that I am pretty sure you will never get there. People who have been here for hundreds of generations and people like mine who homesteaded here around the turn of the last century. I have no problem with controlled burns as part of a regular routine. I do however have a problem half the province going up in smoke as it has been on a much more regular basis lately. And a fire doesn't do that great a job of cleaning up the forest floor. The burned trees dry out and fall over, The canopy opens up and more sunlight gets in encouraging grass and shrubs which will catch fire more easily in spring before every thing greens up. To sum it up have you or will you recognize that there is more than one dynamic at work here. When it gets hot earlier and the snow cover disappears earlier and nothing has leafed out yet you are going to get more fires that are not 'natural'. You are just trying to hang the word 'natural' on a dangerous phenom so that you can ignore good reason for green energy. Lecturing me won't make you any wiser. Do some serious studying and maybe get a job in forestry.@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors
Alberta is the worlds biggest producer of canola, the third biggest producer of grain, the biggest producer of peas, our oil fields are the worlds safest and most environmentally friendly and we have recently become aware of a lake of lithium under that oil. Alberta would thrive if it were not for the Government PARASITES.
@@virginiamargaretjean2239and if we can get Saskatchewan to join us, we'd be also talking massive amounts of potash, uranium, and the other half of the breadbasket of Canada.
I' m "Quebecoise" and I totally understand and approve the separation of Alberta, even though it would financially hurt other provinces. You should go ahead if it is the wish of most Albertans. That would make the rest of Canada crumble. And I think it has to crumble down to be rebuilt on a better founding base.
What a dumb shi** idea. Canada is stronger as a whole then a bunch of scrabbling teeny little regions who each have to make their own trade deals with the world. I can't believe I live in a country with so many selfish, mindless people.
i hear everyone slamming Alberta for trying to move the CPP to APP but nobody remembers when ontario tried it in 2016 . Governments had been talking about making changes to CPP benefits for years. A new federal-provincial agreement was also finally made possible thanks to pressure from the Ontario government, which had been making alternate plans to create its own Ontario Retirement Pension Plan (ORPP) initiative. As a result of the 2016 CPP deal, the ORPP was shelved.
My grandfather is 100 years old and lives exclusively on his pension, so I have concerns about this, on the other hand getting one more federal finger out of Alberta's pies does appeal to me.
@@markanthony3275 CPP is safe and stable. You're talking out your ass. Our premier is just making up nonsense while she pursues her separatist agenda, like she's been doing for years. She's a conspiracy theory clown.
@@markanthony3275 " _Either way CPP is not safe_ " CPP is one of the best-managed and best-funded pension funds in the world. If it's not safe with CPP, it's not safe anywhere. As for an Alberta Pension Plan, I have serious doubts. The AB government has never, in the 50+ years I've been observing it, been a model of financial rectitude and competence.
The country should be decided by east and west. As it is now, the west has never been represented fairly. Elections are always determined in the east. B.C. Alberta and Manitoba should represent the west and seperate from the east.
Good for them. Why should someone pay for someone else's retirement? Time to leave and we'll see who needs who. Even at 25%, Alberta paid 25% for the entire countries CPP? That's ridiculous.
@@camyellowface1350sure, don’t drive on the road or drinking water out of pipe then. Better Move to Sudan if you like to live in a country with failed government. Nuts.
To @familygene9030: Possibly. However, the USA is going Marxist, and, perhaps, Islamic. This should give Alberta pause about the the the nation to the south.
That's whyTrudeau is separating our country.Get your nose out of our business.This is all about resources they can't get to market because of Quebec wa ting Canada to separate to steal Ruperts land ( northern quebec).You see they can't have that land north because it was agreed that if they stayed in Canada they would govern the north but if they left they get nothing.You understand what is in norther quebec.Trillions in gold water resources.Its all about them getting it for nothing and starting to de-Unify our country slowly over time.And look who gets into power and entitled twit from Quebec..His father is proof enough.
First Alberta would have to separate from Canada then make its own nations governance... A that point Alberta could join USA Republic Where the federal government would of USA would tax Alberta wealth to give to the Poorer Mid and southern states. This would take years and years and years... Not to say that if Alberta separates it will be handed part of the National debt like it or not but that will happen. Then everybody would need a passport to travel into Canada well the rest of it. Might even need a green card. Then there is the First nations territories that must be settled. Most of the northern Alberta including where Oil sands could be stuck in Canada. Might even find that yellow head trail is the northern border to Canada in the end of the day. Just complicated and not so easy to know what would really happen. It will not be good, that is all I can say. Oh and Banff and jasper will stay in Canada. All of it.
The grassroots Albertans have more in mind than just separating CPP. That is just the start. Equalization payments are next. Many of us have wanted our own country for years.
If we became a separate country we would Join the USA. And that might lead to a few other provinces in the west breaking off as well. But I don't think that will happen very soon. What could happen though is a lot more autonomy.
@@cs3818919the US wouldnt antagonize its relation with Canada for 4.7m people and chump change, you're living a dream and you sound like an uneducated kid. Part of your Land are crown land which is rightfully own by Canada, your province would be dissected like swiss cheese.
Why people are arguing this is beyond me. Quebec has had its own pension plan for decades. Why is it okay for Quebec but not for other provinces to keep their citizens' money in a safe plan ?? Don't people know that the feds take and take from our cpp fund when they're not supposed to touch. How much we get back on our cpp is pathetic to what we should be getting. Why is it when one dies, the feds keep it and not give it back to the family ?
For one thing Quebec was never in the CPP. they ran their own pension plan from the start. Alberta has the right to leave the CPP if they wish. I don't think they deserve over half the CPP's assets and Canada will be arguing that for years. How much should the CPP pensioner get? After death, the family gets a death benefit and a legal spouse gets a survivors benefit. So they don't keep it.
@dwjkerr Yes I know they have their own pension, plus they receive all other federal monies we pay for. I absolutely believe each province can and should do their own.
Alberta has to stop caring about being a part of "Trudeaus Ottawa" and start focusing every decision on helping Albertans. All provinces other than Ontario and Quebec should be doing the same.
"If Alberta does separate..." Now we're talking. Just get used to that language as you'll be hearing it more and more. Except it is not "if" but rather "when" Give us our 25%, you can have the RCMP back, and we'll be on our way.
I lived most of my life in Southern Ontario. If Ontario separated they'd be in good shape -- if the province was managed properly. I'm not sure it has been for a very long time. Ontario is ridiculously huge. And many communities outside the GTA actually have more in common with other provinces than the GTA. It's no secret Southern Ontario has grown insular and arrogant. But that can be said of Alberta, too. Probably other provinces as well. I think it's unfortunate. If we actually understood the country we lived in better I think we'd realize just how much each province and territory has to offer one another. If Canada couldn't trade with any other country, we'd still be well off. Our resources are that rich. We just have to get along.
@satbobsmith7261 I didn't say we pay 40% of everything. I am not sure how Alberta is entitled to 40% of the cpp reserve. I also don't think everyone in Alberta makes over a 6 figured salary. All 4 million of a younger province that haven't put in their time
I suppose First Nations peoples can decide, who would you rather go with, Canada or Alberta? Given Canada's treatment of them over the last 150 years, the answer seems obvious.
And every single one of those investments that people working in Alberta made WILL go to the people who made them. That lie that you keep telling is a dishonest misrepresentation of the system. I am so sick of hearing fellow Albertans repeating dishonest description. The province pays nothing in CPP. You do. I did for decades. Now that is MY money and I should have a say over who invests it, not you and not any other soft headed Albertans who have been conned by the lies that they keep hearing.
@@kildeeParker There are no personal accounts with the CPP, therefore no individual has any say on the money or over who invests it. It could be different with an Alberta pension plan.
@@thomasjefferson6 - I have not claimed that CPP has personal accounts, but given that over four decades ago I put my faith into that system, instead of going to the Middle East to work, like a number of my colleagues did, I am greatly offended that anyone thinks that one could simply put the fate of my investments to a vote. Imagine the government or voters deciding to take over control of your mortgage, your RSPs, or your stock investments. Morally, the idea that poorly informed and duped gullible Albertans could just vote to change the management of the rest of my retirement investments is infuriating. Additionally, the fact that UCP would offer a referendum to its supporter, but not to teachers (remember, that the UCP already abducted control over most of my pension) is outrageous. That injustice and hypocritical authoritarianism seems to be fine with the folks who spent considerable time nodding their heads to chants of “government overreach”, but it makes me hope that there will be comeuppance. You think that an APP will have personal accounts? I don’t. I also highly doubt that reality will meet the promises of the ICP ads. We would not get anywhere near Smith’s “promised” money and we will not see lower contributions (useless to retired folks) or higher benefits that would make any difference. Smith has spent her term demonstrating her incompetence and her willingness to lie. Why anyone would put their money into her hands is beyond any logic. Do you also think that, like the CPP, the elected government will have a completely hands-off policy in regards to how our money is invested? That would not be the case. Smith has already said that she is looking forward to having a say into how (badly) our money is invested (in fading non-renewable energy industries, I’ll bet). That fact, in concert with Alberta’s historical economic volatility, especially as the world turns towards renewables and the loss of a larger risk pool indicates that we would be really gullible if we buy Smith’s b.s. I have decided to take revenge if Albertans decide to weaponize MY money in a useless endeavour to throw a spitball at Ottawa.
@@kildeeParker Why any Albertan would put their trust in the federal government is astonishing. Any APP would NOT be "put into the hands of Danielle Smith" (a person you obviously despise), nor is there any plan to insist that any APP would have to be invested in "fading" non-renewable energy industries" as you claim. The world is NOT turning to "renewables". Wind and solar will NEVER produce any where close to enough energy to match that of fossil fuels, and any attempt to do so will cause mass poverty and starvation, which is the typical result when Left-wing ideologues attempt to implement their revolutionary totalitarian utopian agendas. The use of fossil fuels on this planet has been steadily increasing, not decreasing, no matter how much "climate activists" wish it were otherwise. It would seem from your remarks, and such words as that you are a supporter of Alberta's NDP, a political party whose primary interests lie outside of Alberta. As for Alberta's "economic volatility", it would be a whole lot less volatile were it not for constant interference from the rapacious federal government and its infinite greed for Alberta's wealth. If Alberta does implement a APP, you will still be free to keep your CPP. Just pack your bags and move out of Alberta. Then you won't have to worry about Danielle Smith a person you obviously hate, and hate is the one thing that the Left is good at.
A huge , valid point by Mr Tombe is 1000% correct in saying that maximizing returns is what this fund should be geared to with taxes paying for whatever business endeavors Alberta decides upon. The idea is to keep the fund funded for future.
Yeah like Trudeaus pipeline to the coast was any better. Oil is at an all time high but companies are not willing to work in Canada because it’s well known that the Trudeaus hate western oil because their financial welfare is wrapped up in Middle East oil and that’s what sets Canadas energy policy. Down with Justin Trudeau.
yah, hoard of albertans quit their jobs to let easterner immigrants to have jobs when they arrived in alberta. Also, albertans like to wear 'i'm albertan' t-shirts too
@@murrayfamily1942 How? We'd just join the US as the 51st state, gain full American citizenship and full protections under the US constitution. It's a better deal than what we have currently.
That would never happen. Just like Quebec, you can't just walk away and take the good parts. You would also be responsible for a proportion of federal debt, military, EI, etc. Lots of bluster.
With Alberta having over paid for years there is no way we should leave with 22%. Even with what has been paid out. Just another example of monetary abuse from Ottawa.
to @cindyirvine6830: If Alberta does leave the CPP, you can be sure that Canada through its federal government will find a way to punish the province and get that excess money back. No Albertan should ever assume any good will from the Laurentian establishment- because there is none.
Not to be a party pooper, but what power? I don't think shooting oneself in the foot and alienating oneself is a solid plan. I would not trust one party to handle the money I have put away. Give anyone that much power, and we are in for trouble.
What would happen to those people who are currently receiving CPP in BC, but paid most CPP contributions while working in AB and or paid in both provinces?
The study claims that Alberta is entitled to 53% of the CPP's assets, which amounts to $334 billion. This calculation is based on factors such as Alberta's high employment rates, young population, and higher pensionable earnings.
No, actually they claim 110% but since it is idiotic 53% is new fantasy number. LOL Alberta leadership is becoming insufferable. I hope there are people there that can get the loonies in check.
@@evasartorius9528 Well do you want to go the way of Israel and Palestine and fight over a piece of land in the Middle East that is protected by God's. Or is that not a related issue.
@@tamrahawkes3170 through US as how many of us travel to the East. Anyway, the mentality of AB and BC are so different, don’t BC wants to join AB for a union. We love Canada, doesn’t want to separate from it. We can all learn from outcome of the Brexit.
@@freedomlife3623: Brexit was never allowed to fully go ahead - it's been sabotaged & delayed ever since the people voted to leave by the greedy leftists wanting to force the U.K. to stay in the EUC!!
these are the types of conversations that need to be had when talking about separations. not like the Quebec discussion that is about emotion and culture. hard facts need to be discussed. real ramifications of the decision. good and bad. do boarders change, currency, debts and unrest.
@harleymann2086 why you separate can be cultural and emotional. how you separate is financial and geographical. the latter is what wars are fought over. much like a devorce, if most couples started with an honest conversation about the division of assets and that they would be giving a huge chunk to lawyers. they would reconsider.
But wha about the administration costs for setting up a complete new administration system? That’s would entail huge costs, that would have to come from people’s contributions. Very expensive.
@hopper146 You need to deal with facts and realities. Simply emoting and ignoring real economic barriers may please you emotionally, otherwise it’s wishful thinking. If the significant majority wants this done, fine, but the need to consider the quite significant costs to Albertans need to be considered.
@hopper146 You are confusing many things. Anyways, if a significant majority wants it (say to be fair and open, 65%) sure, go ahead, but it will cost plenty.
@hopper146 it’s not productive to use personal attacks, calling people ‘leeches’, really! Please refrain and attempt to deal with facts and realities. What I have seen so far with overall general opinion polls, it’s like 60 or 65% against the premier’s proposal. Anyways, to set up Alberta’s own system, besides the enormous costs and logistics and needed controls, you would be looking at least 2 to 3 years. By that time, we might see a change in parties.
How much were they making when they were working? That affects the payout. That might also be why the US government is fighting tooth and claw to get rid of it. Not that I wouldn''t mind more. Our health care and such probably makes a difference too.
@@billybobbocephus2177you’re a talented guy billy. That’s about the 6th time I’ve seen your copy and pasted comment. It’s neither funny or clever. Get some new material.
I lived in Edmonton Alberta in '72 -' 78, Lougheed years, white arab. I went to college and worked and paid no taxes. How is that harder? I moved back to BC in the end of '78 and was hit with high taxes, provincial and federal. It was a shock to adjust. The Alberta oil boom was full of out of province rig workers and construction workers. The same way my ex worked on the columbia hydro dam in Revelstoke and there were tradesmen from across Canada and from the US. They would expect to be entitled to their hard earned cpp from Alberta.
Why not create a separate pension plan for Alberta if they wish . Quebec has their own QPP so it is doable. Justin has divided this country in so many ways from east to west .
because reality and aspirations are 2 different things. you see how alberta managed the oil wealth they got when oil prices dropped, rona hit and fields shut down? you trust alberta government to manage your pensions when they misused or wasted all the oil revenue they collected last 20-30 years, makes you think its likely not a good idea.
Would be informative to know how AB will decide how much each person would get for a pension. I know I just started collecting the AB pension. I am married, my husband tho lives in a different country, we've been married for 11 yrs, but because of our age difference, Canada made it basically impossible for him to come and live here. All this is said, because even tho I am married, AB does not consider me married, where the federal government does, and it makes a difference on the amount alloted for the AB pension, married is 213, single, as they deem me, is 67, which does absolutely nothing. So will AB offer all pensions the federal government does, OAS, CPP and GIS? I wonder.
"Because of our age difference, Canada made it basically impossible for him to come and live here." SAY WHAT?? This statement needs far more explanation.
because of our age difference, they (the fed govt) deemed it a Red Flag, they feel, or felt at the time, back in 2013, that it was a marriage of convenience, a way for him to migrate to Canada. As well, because he was not a landowner, had no children in Jah, this was another Red Flag, no incentives to return to Jah. This is what a immigration lawyer warned me of when I went to talk to her about retaining her to help me fight. I just didnt realize how expensive it could get, so I couldnt go that route, as I was living paycheck to paycheck.
Sure it makes sense Alberta. Less people that contribute to a pension the less your contributions will be and the less contributions you put in the more you’ll get when you retire. Keep believing that. Think about it. Keep your hands off our CPP Conservative party. 🇨🇦
More time & resources being put to issues that don’t matter instead of dealing with issues within Alberta’s control. At the end of the day Alberta can’t add more value to my CPP than is already being done.
Canadians living in provinces as well as their employers contribute to the CPP. The provincial governments themselves do not contribute to the CPP. The individual provinces are signatories to the CPP framework. So it is not the investment of the Albertan government that is at question, but rather the investment by Canadians. The Albertan government can withdraw from the CPP, but the funds are not actually its own. The funds are part of the program investments. However, that's not to say they aren't entitled to funds; it would just come down to negotiation.
Actually, I am going back to BC, where I'll petition for a wall along the Rockies, and make the flatlanders pay for it. Why? Because I loathe and despise the"we've got ours, f#ck everyone else attitude behind the proposed pension deform.
@user-io9me1ve7q oh jeeze I wonder why alberta is sooo upset? Could it have something to do with carrying the rest of the country financially on our backs or is it the whole Villan thing for putting food on the table with our dirty oil? It's hard to have a positive attitude with all that b.s
@@alvarezah Deal with it. What's so innovative about shovelling oil sands into trucks and distilling it into crude to send to the US to be refined? Ontario and Quebec have aerospace, auto manufacturing, high tech hubs, and manufacturing with innovation daily. Alberta's still stuck in 1990s technology. Albertans are whiners.
The last few years we have seen a large increase in the contributions to the CPP in Alberta. I believe it is around 25% and it’s just more money for the liberals to squander into where ever they see fit. In my opinion there is way to much money handed over to groups outside of Canada. The pensions have really only increased about 1.9% for most people the cost of living have gone up lots more than that. If we did decide to have our own pension at least the money payed in. Would be used to better our province
The fact that YOU are sooooo misinformed to think that CPP contributions go into general coffers, AND that YOU pay more for CPP than the rest of Canada is mystifying....!? Alberta pays more into CPP, because Alberta employs, and has been employing MANY, MANY out of Province workers!
@@chrishogan8125 do you understand people from all over Canada come to work there how about western Canada come to work in the east it will never happen because western Canada is not invited to work there goofs stop the welfare to easterners from Alberta money
@@chrishogan8125 So your saying the external company that came up with the numbers made a mistake? So can you give me a breakdown of the numbers with all the data you have collected since Alberta started paying into CPP. Or are you giving just your opinion on what you want to believe.
There is another aspect to this issue. Pension money goes in to a big pot and it is invested on behalf of the beneficiaries. This must be done of course to assure long term viability of the fund. The problem here is that investment decisions are also centralized and favour business based outside of western Canada. The maritimes have the same dilemma. It is quite underdeveloped on the East Coast because money and investment decisions are centralized. Alberta energy industry was only built on US money since Toronto had no interest. That of course is big banks but the pension fund managers think the same way. These days the fad is ESG and Trudeau has stated Canada should phase out oil sands and shut down the oil industry. The pension fund managers may as well be influenced by government policy and are not fully independent or at least dance to the tunes played by Toronto and Ottawa. Some other countries like the US are not centralized in business investment decisions. Any NYC financier will readily invest in Colorado, Vegas, LA or FLA. For Alberta this type of move may also work to support its own industry and even evolve clean tech in Alberta. As it stands now both the East Coast and the West are discriminated against in business financing. Citizens outside of central Canada are supporting Ontario business but none of that finance is circling back.
The CPP is actually managed by 4 Big banks in the USA. They have switched from investing in Money Market funds ie. Forex and Bonds to the Stock Market using ETFs. None of that money is required to support Canadian business or interests. So by notion of Centralization the US Govt can mandate when the Pension Funds can be allocated by Policy actions on US Banking interests. Quite a mess.
I. for one, don''t mind phasing out fossil fuels, as an Albertan I am careful bout where I say that but I think it best be done. Putting it off for years and years might make your oil company buds happy but if they were so smart they could have started developing green tech 50 years ago they would be just as rich and not half as nervous. And, I am not Trudeau's biggest fan but I have to be fair. He has been used as a figure head to hate on like he hauled all this into his office on the first day. I remember these talks going on 50 years ago. I don't think he was even born yet.
@@evasartorius9528 the point is not whether fossil fuels should or should not be phased out rather it is about controlling your own destiny and your own future with your own funds. If the decision making is all centralized even investments in transitioning to alternate energy might well be centralized. I think for example little effort has been made around hydrogen solutions and it is commercially proven that green hydrogen can be derived from hydrocarbon deposits including those that are now no longer producing economically. EVs however benefit industry in central Canada and the environmental problems around lithium mining are glossed over or ignored. That is just one example. The current structure in Canada is somewhat colonialistic. I am on the East Coast and it is a wonderful place but disadvantaged by centralized focus. Just a few hours south the US East Coast thrives- why is that.
Stop trying to confuse the issue by calling them green hydrogen deposits. It's fossil fuels and one of the things that you are talking about is what people who have relatives in fossil fuels call 'orphan wells'. The ones that are no longer producing enough to be considered viable to the big companies. I know one guy who did quite well from them. Until he started to take his eye off the ball and the business. The reason that the US East Coast thrives is the total lack of concern for the environment since Trump was elected. The first thing he did was throw out a bunch of Obama era regs like ones against dumping refuse from coal mines in rivers people get their drinking water from. You whine about concerns about lithium mines but go 'look things are wonderful over there'. You want to call it colonialism because that is a bad word in the collective memories of people who were colonized. I am not a fan of colonialism, I believe that the 'locals' were doing just fine until the 'explorers' showed up. They had crossed the land bridge and were thriving in a new land without the modcons like electricity. Trouble is that you re trying to call what the federal government does 'colonialism and trying to make it impossible for the federal government to govern. Next it will be the provincial governments who will be exerting their colonial muscles. In Alberta every acre of land has a treaty number attached to it. That can make governing dicey. However when the provincial leaders like Smith start trying to enact their big plans for the future (Which will siphon more and more money out of province in the pockets of their 'investors') they will be stepping on lot of toes. Not that they care. Smith's Bill 1 was sloppily written and would have granted HER and a couple of minister (IF any.) to rewrite any law with out having it pass through the legislature. That is a different kind of colonialism- lets call it fascism. But what ever you call it it will end up leaving more and more people out of the legislative loop. And when people like you start obfuscating they will go along because there are too few of them there to have anyone that knows better. You are just trying to convince everyone that the 'open for business' deal will make it wonderful for everyone without offering proof just big words. They don't even plan for self sufficiency, their long term plan includes small module nuclear power plants.That's gonna save the locals a lot of money, those things seem to start around 5 or 6 billion. That will have to be paid for by consumers. Why because someone is lobbying them. The big catch there is that the spent fuel rods can kill you in minutes and they have to be stored for decades and decades and decades. Not to mention the risk of an accident. A word of warning, be careful what you wish for.@@tenniswilliam
He was born, fact is Trudy is playing his daddys card. All of his policy actions are the same as the 1970s. Destroying the Fossil Fuel industry isn't even his idea, its Pierres to maintain the easts economic and political power. @@evasartorius9528
Yeah, Smith slithered right in there with her far-right-wing-radical thinking. Most Albertans I know (even if they voted for her) want her to keep her hands off our CPP.
If quebec can have its own pension plan why can’t alberta?
What is the population in Alberta and what is the population in Quebec
@@JamesBond-su7hjand how much money does Alberta make vs Quebec for population size
@@JamesBond-su7hj yes but why does alberta have to give Quebec equalization payments up to 14 billion EVERY FKN YEAR!…if you think alberta cannot survive without Canada you are badly mistaken!…that 20 billion that we give to eastern Canada every year says we DONT NEED YOU …YOU NEED US TO SURVIVE!
@@dianedyck3474Quebec always had subsidies longer than any other province. They had cheaper childcare rates longer than any other province. Second if a province wants to leave Canada then go ahead. It’s up to that province to create there own currency, their own health care, and other necessities to help people live in that province will be on there own So essentially that province would collapse. Take a look at Quebec many years ago when they tried to separate all the big banks and big companies moved to Toronto because they don’t want to take that chance and suffer consequences.
@@demetriuskoitsopoulos8672 well we have oil and we won’t collapse but Canada will not have the lifestyle the eastern elites have become accustomed to…Quebec will suffer the mist …no more equaluzation for all those first you have now!
"general feeling of unfairness" - it's to say nothing of how pissed off we are in AB. Funny how we got their attention with this $$$ matter...
Don't sound so pouty all the time. To me the 'general feeling of unfairness' tells me that they just want to be mad tell me Albertan to Albertan what you are mad about and don''t say transfer payments, I am sick of it.
I live in Alberta and I’m all in on this one. It’s time for us to start distancing ourselves from Ottawa we are being trampled in this province and it’s time to stop this BS now
I live in Alberta and you sound like a whining baby.
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Whiner.
Me also the way the ndp and libs get together at election time is Bull S.
@@sandorski56 you’ll be the one whining when Alberta finally separates
I support Alberta from Toronto!
Miss Smith please go full steam ahead with the sovereignty act and app
Much respect for Alberta from Toronto here.
They won't respect you in return, they think they're paying for you.
@dianelowe7877 I mutually respect you too, I’m 28 and never met a person from East Canada in person who has showed anything but vitriol or disrespect for my homeland. I appreciate this.
@@lizliz4186 Bigoted and racist Albertans what a surprise.
The further Alberta distances itself from the Trudeau nightmare the better off Albertan’s will be. Alberta can manage it’s own pension.
I hope BC will follow suit someday 😢.
Pppffffttttt........bunch of babies in Alberta! Alberta was in a recession before Trudeau, but have NO problem blaming Trudeau for ALL their ills....freaking joke!
@@eddobond76 lol BC doesn't contribute to equalization as much as Alberta. It's Alberta privilege
I was thinking the same@@eddobond76
Absolutely agree, Trudeaus nightmare will last generations!
If Quebec is able to do this and do it well I see no reason for alberta not to have the same set of circumstances
I believe Quebec was never apart of the CPP to begin with.
Like not have to pay the carbon tax as they don't in Quebec, have their own immigration and language policies. Yeah, sounds great.
Maybe you should move to Quebec then. Sounds like you would fit right in.
Sure, they could leave and do it on their own. But if they think they can take OVER half of all other provinces assets in the fund - good fucking luck!
In other words, it's not going to happen. Alberta knows this. So they are posturing for some other ASK from the rest of the country, or in other words, from the federal government.
@@HondoTrailside Ohhh i did not know that we have these advantages??? Or maybe we dont and this is a perception? Who knows
I believe anything we can do to distance ourself from the PM will benefit Alberta
Ya but you're a conservative.
The PM isn’t Canada, he’s just a head of it for a while. We have these things called ELECTIONS. 😅
@@marianfrances4959 Which makes him able to look at numbers and information not available to your mind.
Stop it. Your letting personalities sway your judgement and not policy.
@@IdrisFashan
Which means squat....
The Turd is still there....with the help of his NDP friends.
Still tearing this country apart.
What applies to Quebec should equally apply to all other provinces.
Quebec never joined in the beginning, and when Kenney first brought this idea forward they weren't saying no, they were saying how the hell do they want to do this?
Looking over Quebec's shoulder and seeing the cook gave them a little extra broccoli will get us no where fast. As yourself what will benefit Alberta.
@@evasartorius9528I worked in Montreal for 20 years and in Winnipeg for 20 years and when I retired, I was being paid by the CPP instead of the QPP.
Why was it done that way? I am presuming, of course, that you checked to see if you were receiving the funds that you earned in Quebec. If not you might have a very merry Xmas this year if you start making some snotty phone calls.@@Zack_Crane
@@Zack_Crane that's quebec style, quebec receive and quebec don't pay their share
Freeland is opposed to Alberta's exit from CPP at least partly on the "CPP is one of Canada's crown jewels" sentiment.
Freeland's opposition is a definite plus for exit.
The most failed finance minister in the last 50 years doesn't get an opinion.
whatever JT and freeland oppose, the opposite must be good. It's a no brainer. No need to over analyze this.
Long live the republic of Alberta
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court ordered?
So laughable. Taking your Albertans back from BC & stop transporting oil through our beautiful coastline.
The downside is that Calgary and Edmonton are contaminated by NDP. Always the biggest cities that demand socialism.
@@freedomlife3623gladly. Good luck with your economy.
Absolutely admire the works Premier Smith and her team do, voicing out and standing up for the Albertans.
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court ordered?
So, you admire liars, eh? Don't forget during the last election, she said she would NOT touch pensions. She said it at a time when this LifeWorks company was being paid to write this fantasy report. She is a liar and is pandering to a group of people who are uneducated mouth breathers.
Settle down lefty, you don't even live here.@@billybobbocephus2177
It's about time there was a leader that's not afraid to start taking this joke of a country apart! Smith is that leader! As Alberta continues to gain strength, even against the will and policies of the clown show (aka the governing liberals and the PM Justine) it is becoming clearer that the ROC needs Alberta and it's revenues more than Alberta needs the ROC! Keep up the great work Premier Smith!
if you think our country is a joke why don't you leave, go to China or Russia or North Korea see if you have a better life there!!! The only joke is you thinking some pigs are more important then the rest of the animals on the farm...if you don't know what that means get educated!
Alberta is obviously positioning itself for separation, and not only in this regard but also with the takeover of RCMP operations within the province, and there's sure to be more.
Hope so
It is absolutely not, separating into a new country is a significant undertaking, and Alberta absolutely does not have what it takes to do that.
This is just Alberta being mad their biggest and only industry is dying. 30 years from now when OnG is dead, Albertans would be happy they can rely on CPP contributions of other provinces. Unless this stupid bill passes.
@@xylo5750 Lol, unfortunately if Alberta's economy suffers so does the rest of Canada on the whole. Price of a barrel of Oil vs CAD$, it's all related.
@@xylo5750 Who says we'd want to be a separate country? We could join the US as the 51st state. Good luck trying to get us back then with the US military on our side.
Ontario has the OPP separate from the RCMP so why shouldn't Alberta have their own provincial police force?
Understand - Equalization also involves all tax receipts from Alberta. In other words Alberta keeps eastern Canada above a banana republic.
I wouldn't blame Alberta.
I WOULD DO EXACTLY WHAT ALBERTA IS DOING CAUSE I HAVE NO TRUST IN OTTAWA . ALBERTA NEEDS TO PROTECT ITSELF FROM OTTAWA AND SO DOES OTHER PROVINCECES . TIME TO MOVE BUSINESS TO ALBERTA
Who's going to supply housing and infrastructure? We're already crippled by decades-long incoming population.
You turned this into a fear based immigration issue. Sigh..
@@marianfrances4959
WHEN YOU TYPE IN LARGE LETTERS IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE THROWING A TANTRUM. WERE YOU AROUND WHEN LOUGHEED TURNED OFF THE OIL TAPS IN 1980? TRUDEAUS DAD WAS TRYING TO MAKE CANADA OIL INDEPENDENT (kind of what albertan are screaming for now ironically). SEE-NATIONAL ENERGY PROGRAM. LOUGHEED AND BIG OIL WOULDNT GIVE A LARGER CUT OF THE PIE AS ASKED SO LOUGHEED BANKRUPTED THE PROVINCE BY SHUTTING DOWN OIL. MY FRIENDS PARENTS LOST THEIR HOME AND THEY NAMED A MOUNTAIN AFTER LOUGHEED FOR BEING A PIG HEADED BABY. IM NOT SURE WHO IS STUPIDER HERE IN 2024
CPP doesnt pay for housing or infrastructure nor should it!
I’m with Smith from BC
They would be like Quebec (QPP). Quebec's QPP is doing fine and has not been in trouble since mid 70's. The politicians have a good pension plan for only 6 years service. It's so unreal that people are saying it is illegal. Doesn't matter because the politicians are mostly lawyers and they can pass anything (eg. GST).
It would be way better than quebec because they put a clause saying that they must invest in quebec companies only. This restriction stops them from higher profits outside of quebec
@@kenlindsey4648 Good info!
It was Mulroney's Conservative government that legislated the GST effective 1 Jan 1991. But I suppose they get a 'hall pass' in Alberta. Just saying.
@@chong2389 Alberta pays Transfer Payments too.
The only reason why Quebec is surviving is because they get more subsidies from the government than any other province.
Well it is interesting times we live in, Perhaps other provinces need to look at having their own pension plan.
Separate pension, separate official language act, separate schools ensign, separate tax facility. This report highlights once more that the laurentians of Canada are more dedicated to exploiting western Canada than doing anything close to telling the truth or doing reconciliation on what they’ve done to us and our native Americans. Even if we get less than 10% of the CPP contributions back I’d rather leave and take the hit and begin the path away from exploitation, domination, and coercion.
Especially when taxes are deverted to the bank of England (crown) and Vatican.🤑🤪
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The CPP investment board has been telling us they are doing an amazing job, for years. If this is true, there should be plenty of pie to share among everyone at the table.
Key words being...IF this is true. But as the old saying goes "How do you tell a politician is lying? Their lips are moving."
The CPP board is so over staffed like every other government department that it’s disgraceful!
They’re lying to you. Trudeau shut down our coal industry & invested $144-Million pension money in China’s coal industry.
The CPP has over $475 BILLION dollars in the pot, no wonder Trudeau wants to dip into it, by giving $15 BILLION to China, in Jan/2018, just because he can, even though the Feds, don't contribute one penny, to the CPP fund!!!
AB should be asking for equalization payouts to be ceased immediately
Then Quebec would have to severely cut back on their social programs.
Every dollar taken and spent outside Alberta have to be repayed upon seperation. Qubec can cry about it.
While I agree with you about the payments, sadly, it is set up in a statute law- and it will take 7 years to get it changed. We can't get a government to hold a policy for 7 years federally so they are pretty secure that we can't make that happen. What eastern Canada is not interesting in hearing is that you can't get blood from a stone- no gas money means no payments to Ottawa.
@@amirlachThose dollars are gone forever man. Only future dollars are on the table.
Will that attitude continue in 20-30 years when fossil fuels are basically done? The equalization payments out of AB are already declining. They may even turn positive into AB someday.
Alberta will NOT suffer silently. Time to separate.
Or at least renegotiate the federal contract. Alberta wants what Quebec has.
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court ordered?
@@derikuk2967 Exactly. This blind loot of Alberta must come to an end.
@@billybobbocephus2177 KETTLE OR POT.......DUFFUS
Suffer from what?
The more autonomous Alberta and Saskatchewan can become, the better off we’ll be. We simply do not share values with eastern Canada as we once did in the past. Irreconcilable differences, divorce time.
Good. Divorce yourself and move out my Alberta. 🖕
I wish Manitoba would follow suit
It would help us here in Eastern Canada as well. Because we get handouts every year, our governments refuse to do business deals. We could make much more money than we would get with Alberta handouts.
There are PLENTY of Albertans like me who feel more Canadian than they feel Albertan. You should get off the farm every once in a while. Unfortunately, we have had many politicians who rage farm the idea that poor old wealthy, closed minded Alberta has been dealt a bad hand, just to grow their political power.
@@kildeeParkeryea and their is plenty of young albertans sick of this kinda treatment by our goverment
I support an independant Alberta ❤ Its high time now.
Ask how Brexit is doing right now.
@@freedomlife3623 will always be better than being with woke idiots
As an European Canadian, brekix is doing terrible. Big mess.
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@@satbobsmith7261other parts of Canada have natural resources too including oil.
Alberta being a huge financial contributor to Canada used to say "Alberta wants in". Now all we want is out.
Try thinking about something else for a while. Your 'we' is not all of us. I was talking to a very intelligent man one day and he figured you might get about a third of the province, if you got that.
No thank you, I worked for that pension. That gid damn stunt cunt can keep her rat hands off my pension.
The key is to invite all commies and other oxygen wasters to find an ocean and peacefully swim away. I reccomend a Northern Ocean. I'm sure Hudson's Bay is lovely this time of year. Alternatively, patriotic Albertans could just arrest the commies and oxygen wasters for treason and sentence them to summary capital punishment. @@evasartorius9528
Speak for yourself, mate. I love it in Alberta, and most of us want nothing more than Alberta to remain a part of a whole Canada. It doesn't help when you have separatist nutjobs like our premier inventive nonsensical narratives so she can pretend to be queen of her own country. Alberta is not a country. It is a province of one and shall remain so.
They are only a contributor because of the resources. If they leave they won’t be allow to keep what makes them rich. They are stupid if they think that’s the case. They will be a land locked poor country dependent on the rest of Canada.
Well, I see that many Albertans feel and react today like many Quebecers did 50-60 years ago! Go for it Alberta, you deserve better and I'm sure many Québécois will support you in this
They're known as the Redneckois
Well THAT is odd. Poll Albertans and many will say Quebec in particular and Central Canada in general, not to mention native son Trudeau, is WHY they would want to leave in the first place. They are complaining about the likes of equalization and Federal transfer payments in the preceding string of comments. Quebec is the Province that sucks up most of BOTH. In 2023-24, the Government of Quebec will receive $28.7 billion through major transfers. Equalization to Quebec is $14 billion for the year out of a total equalization payments $23.9 billion for the entire country (i.e. Quebec gets 60% of the total). Transfers to Alberta in comparison will total $7.7 billion with $0 in Equalization. The other provinces getting Equalization are MAN, ON, NB, NS, PEI.
@@davidkendall1614 I'm from BC and don't like Albertans messin' with our politics
@@KOZMOuvBORG I don’t disagree. And so many comments here are based on ignorance of the system and how it actually works. And the potential implications of opting out of confederation. And so it goes…
The difference is Quebec never paid it's way.
Maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing if Alberta was independent
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@@timphiey Pretty sure the Indigenous peoples get a say on whether that ever happens. They have literally hundreds of treaties with the federal Canadian government and the natives have zero trust they will be fairly treated under provincial jurisdiction.
If Alberta separates I'm moving to Alberta
I would hope that BC would join AB in separating from the rest of Canada
The already have too many morons what makes you think they'd take you?
Too late for BC to separate they signed the UNDRIP agreement with the United Nations.
Besides that BC is just as corrupt as Ontario.
@@donalddavis6684not a chance, don’t like the 🎉night wingers in Alberta. Maybe we can get rid of those Albertans retired in BC. BC can also charge big fee for Alberta moving their oil thought out beautiful coastline.
@@freedomlife3623Lol. And how much COAL does BC send overseas? Facts matter when posting
The whole thing will i hope end Trudope and Canada need that big time ! This lady rocks !
She is a bitter and Albertans deserve her. Leave, Canada don’t need a right wing province and green energy is coming. Alberta is so short sighted. Wait till oil is below $45 or $50.
@@freedomlife3623 She is not bitter, she is taking care of Albertans and Alberta and you do sound bitter yourself...lol!!!
If media oppose it, it's good indicator that we should separate CPP
As an ontarian I am worried about this however, if we had been abused like Ottawa has abused Alberta I could understand why they want out. Ottawa has refused to recognize how important the west is to our country but bends over backward to appease Quebec. I think Alberta leaving is a terrible outcome but completely understandable given the trudeau families hatred toward them and Ottawa's willingness to mistreat them.😮
I live in Alberta. Ottawa has not abused us. Ottawa paid four billion for a pipeline to bail Alberta out of a bad deal.
Really talk to Brent Wilson
They block 90% of beneficial pipeline projects to move gas from western Canada to the world attacks on farmers using fertilizer you are living in a bubble K
@@kazkazimierz1742yeah the Jason kenney deal
What???? Alberta thinks it's entitled to HALF of what's in CPP.....personally, I wish they'd leave Canada altogether. The _REAL_ engine of Canada is Ontario.
Alberta has 1/3 the population of Ontario...do the math(not even counting Qweebec here), how much have they contributed to the entire pot,& why o why do they think they deserve HALF???!!!
They came to Ottawa, organizing the Freedumb Convoy, wreak all kinds of havoc to the citizens of Ottawa, then crawl back to their sand dunes and claim victimhood.
I got no use for the Alberta mindset. They should lobby to become the 51st state. Northern Texans they be indeed. _They,_ need Ontario, not the other way around.
Ontario is a very powerful economy, plenty of industry, we're almost a mini-country on our own.
We need Alberta like we need another round of Trudeau in office.
I even read about somebody from Calgary complaining how Ontarians, moving there, are making it like Toronto, lol... driving too crazy for that person, lol...saying 'wait until winter'.....??? like Toronto doesn't get snow.....
Albertans have the presence of mind like a Trump supporter, lol
Majority of true Canadians don’t want Alberta to leave ! What we want is major issues to be re- evaluated to make it fair for all of the provinces we need to first of all bring in a PM that is fair and realistic, we the people need them to insure that the Charter of Rights are uphold and insure that Ottawa be limited to its manipulation and overreach . Most importantly we need to dismantle the division that has built up over time towards Western Canada . Change is coming it’s overdue time to take back our country from imbeciles !
She explained everything on 2.00......
you do understand how unattainable that is at the moment so long as Trudeau stays in power right?
@stradzarovich9381LEAVE AND NOTHING LESS WILL DO.....
@stradzarovich9381 I want Alberta to leave also. They can keep all their dang money we don’t need the 20 Billion sent to The Federal Government every year.
@stradzarovich9381 Exactly sure if Alberta leaves they will not get to enjoy the strict government control on what they say or watch. Which is strange because Germany controlled the media also using tactics from Joseph Gobbles.
Our own pensions is smart and win win for alberta. Im all in
Not me. The UCP is pretty sloppy with the governance. Smith actually told that one guy that the CPP fund didn''t need all that paper work done on it and every cent accounted for because we were going to get so much.
APP will benefit Alberta and it's hard working citizens!!!!
hahahahaha.......ONLY an idiot would trust Smith with this!
Alberta should start it's own APP, but the people who've already paid into CPP, will have a split pension based on contributions to both!
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court ordered?
probably the same place as yours if you live in Alberta and think this is a bad idea, I know math isn't a strong suite for you liberal / NDP voters though, I feel for ya @@billybobbocephus2177
@@billybobbocephus2177 Ignore the paid for Conservative War room aliases spreading fud on the forums here . Their job is to convince Albertans with a method used like Cambridge Analytica... Consider that a 60% Foreign owned oil industry that is struggling and needs an injection of funds. where to better get those funds then stealing it from the CPP. Albertans will watch their existing pension they already have (just moved) get invested in an industry that is slowly dying as The EU Banks, Norway's central bank, and Sweden's central bank have all bailed on investing.
Consider the timing of all this D. Smith talk as the guide lines for fossil fuel subsidies restrictions start at the end of 2024-25. And all this ugly rhetoric regarding separatism in trying to involve BC joining Alberta to leave. well that's because LNG is also affected. I'm hoping Canadians are smart enough (with out getting a lobotomy) to see through the bullshit that is trying to rip our Country apart.
lol the alberta government wasted 30 years of taxes and oil revenue provincially. think again.
Anything Alberta can do to throw a big ol' wrench into the federal government's plans i am all for.
Were you outside much last summer? The air still hasn't cleaned out. Someone has to take control of this mess. It is inter provincial and the AB government simply does not want to. So you have any idea how another summer like the last one will affect the cost of health care? Not to mention insurance premiums. Or would you rather be like Florida when insurance companies are refusing to honor hurricane damage. Ms Smith is not governing for Albertans she is governing against Ottawa and can''t fit her head around the greater good.
You wouldn't be messing with the Feds, just every other province except Quebec
@@evasartorius9528 Have you recognized the fact wild fires are a natural thing? By not allowing the ground fuel to burn off regularly, it causes the major fires.
Have you recognized how snotty and condescending you are? Any idiot cansay the wildfires are a part of the cycle of regeneration.@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors
You are trying to preach about something you have very little understanding of. I have lived up here all my nearly 70 years. What you are missing with your snotty condescension is that where there is more than just miles and miles of more miles and miles are people's homes and livelihoods.
Thousands of homes were destroyed, people were seriously injured and the number of timber berths that went up in smoke will put a lot of people in the logging industry out of work. for many years to come. If you are going to harvest the burned over bush you have to get it the first year or some kind of bug gets in there and starts to eat it.There are likely more people employed in forestry than there are in the oil fields -or were.The farmers whose live stock went...somewhere. Homes in settlement so far back in the bush that I am pretty sure you will never get there. People who have been here for hundreds of generations and people like mine who homesteaded here around the turn of the last century.
I have no problem with controlled burns as part of a regular routine. I do however have a problem half the province going up in smoke as it has been on a much more regular basis lately.
And a fire doesn't do that great a job of cleaning up the forest floor. The burned trees dry out and fall over, The canopy opens up and more sunlight gets in encouraging grass and shrubs which will catch fire more easily in spring before every thing greens up.
To sum it up have you or will you recognize that there is more than one dynamic at work here. When it gets hot earlier and the snow cover disappears earlier and nothing has leafed out yet you are going to get more fires that are not 'natural'. You are just trying to hang the word 'natural' on a dangerous phenom so that you can ignore good reason for green energy. Lecturing me won't make you any wiser. Do some serious studying and maybe get a job in forestry.@@PlayingWithFireOutdoors
Go for it Alberta! Have no fear.
You Got That Right
I have lived in Alberta my whole life and I KNOW we would do perfectly fine as an independent country
Alberta is the worlds biggest producer of canola, the third biggest producer of grain, the biggest producer of peas, our oil fields are the worlds safest and most environmentally friendly and we have recently become aware of a lake of lithium under that oil. Alberta would thrive if it were not for the Government PARASITES.
@@virginiamargaretjean2239and if we can get Saskatchewan to join us, we'd be also talking massive amounts of potash, uranium, and the other half of the breadbasket of Canada.
i don't want alberta to leave.... i need your money alberta.
@@nickyalousakis3851that sounds like Trudeau speaking and I’m from New Brunswick amd I fully support Alberta leaving
@@cammcgrath7012 - that's good to hear cam.
I' m "Quebecoise" and I totally understand and approve the separation of Alberta, even though it would financially hurt other provinces. You should go ahead if it is the wish of most Albertans. That would make the rest of Canada crumble. And I think it has to crumble down to be rebuilt on a better founding base.
What a dumb shi** idea. Canada is stronger as a whole then a bunch of scrabbling teeny little regions who each have to make their own trade deals with the world. I can't believe I live in a country with so many selfish, mindless people.
get rid of trudeau, then the problems will go away.
It’s not the majority, it’s an extremely loud minority
Rebuilt? More likely absorbed into the US, and the QC culture dies on the vine...
@@TheNinthGeneration1says whoever you are ...got your booster?
Albertans are moving towards moving away. The Feds are only exacerbating the need for change.
i hear everyone slamming Alberta for trying to move the CPP to APP but nobody remembers when ontario tried it in 2016 . Governments had been talking about making changes to CPP benefits for years. A new federal-provincial agreement was also finally made possible thanks to pressure from the Ontario government, which had been making alternate plans to create its own Ontario Retirement Pension Plan (ORPP) initiative. As a result of the 2016 CPP deal, the ORPP was shelved.
My grandfather is 100 years old and lives exclusively on his pension, so I have concerns about this, on the other hand getting one more federal finger out of Alberta's pies does appeal to me.
Either way CPP is not safe. We just hope it will be there for us, but there are no guarantees.
Your grandfather would be fine he paid into cpp and he is entitled to his pension .This would be for the workers working now
@@markanthony3275 CPP is safe and stable. You're talking out your ass. Our premier is just making up nonsense while she pursues her separatist agenda, like she's been doing for years. She's a conspiracy theory clown.
@@markanthony3275
" _Either way CPP is not safe_ "
CPP is one of the best-managed and best-funded pension funds in the world. If it's not safe with CPP, it's not safe anywhere.
As for an Alberta Pension Plan, I have serious doubts. The AB government has never, in the 50+ years I've been observing it, been a model of financial rectitude and competence.
The country should be decided by east and west. As it is now, the west has never been represented fairly. Elections are always determined in the east. B.C. Alberta and Manitoba should represent the west and seperate from the east.
Quebec have own pension plan and own policies. Albertans would benefit and not other way around. Trudeau won't use our dollars to keep spending.
Good for them. Why should someone pay for someone else's retirement? Time to leave and we'll see who needs who. Even at 25%, Alberta paid 25% for the entire countries CPP? That's ridiculous.
All forms of taxation should be abolished,it is a war measures act. People can take care of themselves better than any government can .🤯🤪
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court ordered?
@@billybobbocephus2177do some research just telling the facts billyboy ,I bet you want to were a mask and continue your volunteer labotamy.😉
@@camyellowface1350sure, don’t drive on the road or drinking water out of pipe then. Better Move to Sudan if you like to live in a country with failed government. Nuts.
@@freedomlife3623 I drink from my well,nyou go back to jollyole England. Both your governing systems are corrupt to the core,nuts.🤪
Alberta should join Greater Idaho and Montana and export their vast gas and oil reserves through ports in southern Oregon
get a President who doesn't sniff babies and fall up stairs then we'll talk.
To @familygene9030: Possibly. However, the USA is going Marxist, and, perhaps, Islamic. This should give Alberta pause about the the the nation to the south.
That's whyTrudeau is separating our country.Get your nose out of our business.This is all about resources they can't get to market because of Quebec wa ting Canada to separate to steal Ruperts land ( northern quebec).You see they can't have that land north because it was agreed that if they stayed in Canada they would govern the north but if they left they get nothing.You understand what is in norther quebec.Trillions in gold water resources.Its all about them getting it for nothing and starting to de-Unify our country slowly over time.And look who gets into power and entitled twit from Quebec..His father is proof enough.
First Alberta would have to separate from Canada then make its own nations governance... A that point Alberta could join USA Republic Where the federal government would of USA would tax Alberta wealth to give to the Poorer Mid and southern states. This would take years and years and years... Not to say that if Alberta separates it will be handed part of the National debt like it or not but that will happen. Then everybody would need a passport to travel into Canada well the rest of it. Might even need a green card.
Then there is the First nations territories that must be settled. Most of the northern Alberta including where Oil sands could be stuck in Canada. Might even find that yellow head trail is the northern border to Canada in the end of the day.
Just complicated and not so easy to know what would really happen. It will not be good, that is all I can say.
Oh and Banff and jasper will stay in Canada. All of it.
The grassroots Albertans have more in mind than just separating CPP. That is just the start. Equalization payments are next. Many of us have wanted our own country for years.
You mean Alberta splits from Canada and become its own country?
If we became a separate country we would Join the USA. And that might lead to a few other provinces in the west breaking off as well. But I don't think that will happen very soon. What could happen though is a lot more autonomy.
Traitor
You jiong the us now if you want. Look around and see the big problems they are having, or your too bold to see that.
@@cs3818919the US wouldnt antagonize its relation with Canada for 4.7m people and chump change, you're living a dream and you sound like an uneducated kid.
Part of your Land are crown land which is rightfully own by Canada, your province would be dissected like swiss cheese.
Why people are arguing this is beyond me. Quebec has had its own pension plan for decades. Why is it okay for Quebec but not for other provinces to keep their citizens' money in a safe plan ?? Don't people know that the feds take and take from our cpp fund when they're not supposed to touch. How much we get back on our cpp is pathetic to what we should be getting. Why is it when one dies, the feds keep it and not give it back to the family ?
For one thing Quebec was never in the CPP. they ran their own pension plan from the start. Alberta has the right to leave the CPP if they wish.
I don't think they deserve over half the CPP's assets and Canada will be arguing that for years.
How much should the CPP pensioner get?
After death, the family gets a death benefit and a legal spouse gets a survivors benefit. So they don't keep it.
@dwjkerr Yes I know they have their own pension, plus they receive all other federal monies we pay for. I absolutely believe each province can and should do their own.
it is pretty sad when these d a m people trudeau is bringing in to this country get thousands more that the pensioners get who built this country
That and mwny more reasons why cpp cobtributions are a tax
@@guyl9456 no, they'd get the OAS just like any other retired Canadian. They get QPP instead of CPP.
Alberta has to stop caring about being a part of "Trudeaus Ottawa" and start focusing every decision on helping Albertans. All provinces other than Ontario and Quebec should be doing the same.
Good luck getting back to the norm .. it will never happen trust has been squashed so let's squash the feds
"If Alberta does separate..."
Now we're talking. Just get used to that language as you'll be hearing it more and more. Except it is not "if" but rather "when"
Give us our 25%, you can have the RCMP back, and we'll be on our way.
Southern Ontario is the backbone of this country
No really
yea right and where will they be when alberta and the west seperate
I lived most of my life in Southern Ontario. If Ontario separated they'd be in good shape -- if the province was managed properly. I'm not sure it has been for a very long time.
Ontario is ridiculously huge. And many communities outside the GTA actually have more in common with other provinces than the GTA.
It's no secret Southern Ontario has grown insular and arrogant. But that can be said of Alberta, too. Probably other provinces as well.
I think it's unfortunate. If we actually understood the country we lived in better I think we'd realize just how much each province and territory has to offer one another. If Canada couldn't trade with any other country, we'd still be well off. Our resources are that rich. We just have to get along.
Nearly 40% of this country's population live here. That's 40% of all people paying federal tax, cpp, and whatever else.
@satbobsmith7261 I didn't say we pay 40% of everything. I am not sure how Alberta is entitled to 40% of the cpp reserve. I also don't think everyone in Alberta makes over a 6 figured salary. All 4 million of a younger province that haven't put in their time
Treaties are international based treaties between Canada and First Nations. Won’t be a separate province without address that issue
So you believe nothing can happen without satisfying 2-3% of the population?
I suppose First Nations peoples can decide, who would you rather go with, Canada or Alberta? Given Canada's treatment of them over the last 150 years, the answer seems obvious.
I support Danielle Smith all the way! She's a real leader for Alberta..
It’s a win win for Alberta , that’s the only reason the rest of Canada does not want Alberta to leave .it will cost the rest of Canada .
Wrong.
It's your shiny personality mainly.
Other provinces werent worried about having Alberta paying more into CPP than the rest of the provinces.
And every single one of those investments that people working in Alberta made WILL go to the people who made them. That lie that you keep telling is a dishonest misrepresentation of the system. I am so sick of hearing fellow Albertans repeating dishonest description. The province pays nothing in CPP. You do. I did for decades. Now that is MY money and I should have a say over who invests it, not you and not any other soft headed Albertans who have been conned by the lies that they keep hearing.
@@kildeeParker There are no personal accounts with the CPP, therefore no individual has any say on the money or over who invests it. It could be different with an Alberta pension plan.
@@thomasjefferson6 - I have not claimed that CPP has personal accounts, but given that over four decades ago I put my faith into that system, instead of going to the Middle East to work, like a number of my colleagues did, I am greatly offended that anyone thinks that one could simply put the fate of my investments to a vote. Imagine the government or voters deciding to take over control of your mortgage, your RSPs, or your stock investments. Morally, the idea that poorly informed and duped gullible Albertans could just vote to change the management of the rest of my retirement investments is infuriating. Additionally, the fact that UCP would offer a referendum to its supporter, but not to teachers (remember, that the UCP already abducted control over most of my pension) is outrageous. That injustice and hypocritical authoritarianism seems to be fine with the folks who spent considerable time nodding their heads to chants of “government overreach”, but it makes me hope that there will be comeuppance.
You think that an APP will have personal accounts? I don’t. I also highly doubt that reality will meet the promises of the ICP ads. We would not get anywhere near Smith’s “promised” money and we will not see lower contributions (useless to retired folks) or higher benefits that would make any difference. Smith has spent her term demonstrating her incompetence and her willingness to lie. Why anyone would put their money into her hands is beyond any logic.
Do you also think that, like the CPP, the elected government will have a completely hands-off policy in regards to how our money is invested? That would not be the case. Smith has already said that she is looking forward to having a say into how (badly) our money is invested (in fading non-renewable energy industries, I’ll bet). That fact, in concert with Alberta’s historical economic volatility, especially as the world turns towards renewables and the loss of a larger risk pool indicates that we would be really gullible if we buy Smith’s b.s. I have decided to take revenge if Albertans decide to weaponize MY money in a useless endeavour to throw a spitball at Ottawa.
@@kildeeParker Why any Albertan would put their trust in the federal government is astonishing. Any APP would NOT be "put into the hands of Danielle Smith" (a person you obviously despise), nor is there any plan to insist that any APP would have to be invested in "fading" non-renewable energy industries" as you claim. The world is NOT turning to "renewables". Wind and solar will NEVER produce any where close to enough energy to match that of fossil fuels, and any attempt to do so will cause mass poverty and starvation, which is the typical result when Left-wing ideologues attempt to implement their revolutionary totalitarian utopian agendas. The use of fossil fuels on this planet has been steadily increasing, not decreasing, no matter how much "climate activists" wish it were otherwise. It would seem from your remarks, and such words as that you are a supporter of Alberta's NDP, a political party whose primary interests lie outside of Alberta. As for Alberta's "economic volatility", it would be a whole lot less volatile were it not for constant interference from the rapacious federal government and its infinite greed for Alberta's wealth. If Alberta does implement a APP, you will still be free to keep your CPP. Just pack your bags and move out of Alberta. Then you won't have to worry about Danielle Smith a person you obviously hate, and hate is the one thing that the Left is good at.
@@kildeeParker Very well said.
I love Alberta's premier. She tough and is not afraid to say no to stupid liberals.
Wake up,shes none of the above. She's just another Trump wanna be nothing original here. Albertans aernt all followers of her greed
Ya she was so tough on those big corporations what with her 30% corporate tax cut that's cost us $22B year one and closer to $30B year two.
A huge , valid point by Mr Tombe is 1000% correct in saying that maximizing returns is what this fund should be geared to with taxes paying for whatever business endeavors Alberta decides upon. The idea is to keep the fund funded for future.
Yes, but lets have them be careful with our taxes too. Look at Kenney and that pipeline to the border.
Yeah like Trudeaus pipeline to the coast was any better. Oil is at an all time high but companies are not willing to work in Canada because it’s well known that the Trudeaus hate western oil because their financial welfare is wrapped up in Middle East oil and that’s what sets Canadas energy policy. Down with Justin Trudeau.
People have to understand that seniors will receive more money and people still employed wouldn't pay CPP contribution and gain bigger paycheck
if trudard is against alberta getting its own pension then it must be a good move
@@patrick-ip4yf Not me. UBI will be mostly funded by albertans since albertans have jobs and pays more taxes, CPP. and UI
yah, hoard of albertans quit their jobs to let easterner immigrants to have jobs when they arrived in alberta. Also, albertans like to wear 'i'm albertan' t-shirts too
@@andrewcannon587 yah, occasionally census Canada conducts demographics.
Love it!!! Support it ALL the way!!
We support our premier 100 % !!!
Hope Saskatchewan follows Alberta's example.
We have the greatest Premier Alberta has ever seen! Too bad it all goes away when she opens her mouth!
Alberta should just separate from Canada and Trudeau
Bold statement, however it would be hard on both sides but hardest on Alberta.
@@murrayfamily1942how so please explain
@@murrayfamily1942 How? We'd just join the US as the 51st state, gain full American citizenship and full protections under the US constitution. It's a better deal than what we have currently.
That would never happen. Just like Quebec, you can't just walk away and take the good parts. You would also be responsible for a proportion of federal debt, military, EI, etc. Lots of bluster.
@@killman369547bull shit, go now and move to the US.
Truth be told !
With Alberta having over paid for years there is no way we should leave with 22%. Even with what has been paid out. Just another example of monetary abuse from Ottawa.
to @cindyirvine6830: If Alberta does leave the CPP, you can be sure that Canada through its federal government will find a way to punish the province and get that excess money back. No Albertan should ever assume any good will from the Laurentian establishment- because there is none.
The best day every when Alberta leaves and takes its power back.
I hope to God this happens.
You Got That Right
Not to be a party pooper, but what power? I don't think shooting oneself in the foot and alienating oneself is a solid plan. I would not trust one party to handle the money I have put away. Give anyone that much power, and we are in for trouble.
What would happen to those people who are currently receiving CPP in BC, but paid most CPP contributions while working in AB and or paid in both provinces?
There would be a transfer agreement in place
The study claims that Alberta is entitled to 53% of the CPP's assets, which amounts to $334 billion. This calculation is based on factors such as Alberta's high employment rates, young population, and higher pensionable earnings.
No, actually they claim 110% but since it is idiotic 53% is new fantasy number. LOL Alberta leadership is becoming insufferable. I hope there are people there that can get the loonies in check.
it was done by Lifework, owned by Moreau Shepell, canada's top pension analyst
Go Alberta Go! Remember, this is Bill Morneau’s company!
Neutral, since Ottawa wants to force the carbon timeline, Alberta should be able to enforce its own pensions.
And you should be able to cheat on your wife when ever you want to, or is that not a related issue.
@@evasartorius9528 Well do you want to go the way of Israel and Palestine and fight over a piece of land in the Middle East that is protected by God's. Or is that not a related issue.
about time ..! mb , sask should go too !
What explanation has ben offered as to how an APP would effect those presently receiving CPP?
If Trudeau keeps Alberta in his cross- hairs we’ll have to go it alone on a lot more than our pensions.
Sure, you don’t want to part of Canada anyway. See you much will cost you transport your oil through BC.
@@freedomlife3623 we’ll be going through Churchill , or we still have the States. You can buy it from them after they add on their costs
@@freedomlife3623how’s bc going to get their stuff to rest of Canada?
Guess it’s a 2 way highway….
@@tamrahawkes3170 through US as how many of us travel to the East. Anyway, the mentality of AB and BC are so different, don’t BC wants to join AB for a union. We love Canada, doesn’t want to separate from it. We can all learn from outcome of the Brexit.
@@freedomlife3623: Brexit was never allowed to fully go ahead - it's been sabotaged & delayed ever since the people voted to leave by the greedy leftists wanting to force the U.K. to stay in the EUC!!
This what happens when you take resources from the western provinces and distribute it else where.
Oh! look at that! It's to be able to redirect funds for Madame Smith to pay friends and family. Awesome.
how would you find out how many people worked in Alberta and went elsewhere for retirement? is that something they are tracking now?
Time to separate and stop carrying the Liberals. Let them learn to support themselves and get a reality check.
Go Alberta. The east has been living off Alberta for far too long.
Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
these are the types of conversations that need to be had when talking about separations. not like the Quebec discussion that is about emotion and culture. hard facts need to be discussed. real ramifications of the decision. good and bad. do boarders change, currency, debts and unrest.
@harleymann2086 why you separate can be cultural and emotional. how you separate is financial and geographical. the latter is what wars are fought over. much like a devorce, if most couples started with an honest conversation about the division of assets and that they would be giving a huge chunk to lawyers. they would reconsider.
How about a question on the referendum about separation as well?
But wha about the administration costs for setting up a complete new administration system? That’s would entail huge costs, that would have to come from people’s contributions. Very expensive.
@hopper146 People in Alberta will have to pay, I.e. it will come out of the payments will be receiving, probably 20%.
@hopper146 Your expression marks you, unfortunately as a very uneducated individual I’m sorry to point out. Asserting ad hominids is very crass.
@hopper146 You need to deal with facts and realities. Simply emoting and ignoring real economic barriers may please you emotionally, otherwise it’s wishful thinking. If the significant majority wants this done, fine, but the need to consider the quite significant costs to Albertans need to be considered.
@hopper146 You are confusing many things. Anyways, if a significant majority wants it (say to be fair and open, 65%) sure, go ahead, but it will cost plenty.
@hopper146 it’s not productive to use personal attacks, calling people ‘leeches’, really! Please refrain and attempt to deal with facts and realities. What I have seen so far with overall general opinion polls, it’s like 60 or 65% against the premier’s proposal. Anyways, to set up Alberta’s own system, besides the enormous costs and logistics and needed controls, you would be looking at least 2 to 3 years. By that time, we might see a change in parties.
Social Security in the US pays a max benefit of $3600/mo. Why is Canada so low at $1300 CAD ? We pay in about the same.
1300???, been paying in my entire life, now get $1200.00 month….time to go!
How much were they making when they were working? That affects the payout. That might also be why the US government is fighting tooth and claw to get rid of it. Not that I wouldn''t mind more. Our health care and such probably makes a difference too.
The Take Back Alberta movement is Alberta's achilles heel.
Time to move to Alberta.
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court ordered?
@@billybobbocephus2177you’re a talented guy billy.
That’s about the 6th time I’ve seen your copy and pasted comment. It’s neither funny or clever. Get some new material.
I lived in Edmonton Alberta in '72 -' 78, Lougheed years, white arab. I went to college and worked and paid no taxes. How is that harder? I moved back to BC in the end of '78 and was hit with high taxes, provincial and federal. It was a shock to adjust. The Alberta oil boom was full of out of province rig workers and construction workers. The same way my ex worked on the columbia hydro dam in Revelstoke and there were tradesmen from across Canada and from the US. They would expect to be entitled to their hard earned cpp from Alberta.
Why not create a separate pension plan for Alberta if they wish . Quebec has their own QPP so it is doable. Justin has divided this country in so many ways from east to west .
because reality and aspirations are 2 different things. you see how alberta managed the oil wealth they got when oil prices dropped, rona hit and fields shut down? you trust alberta government to manage your pensions when they misused or wasted all the oil revenue they collected last 20-30 years, makes you think its likely not a good idea.
This has been on-going long before Trudeau Jr., he just really blasted it all to the surface that people can't ignore it anymore.
As an Albertan I would love to see full exit from Canada.
dam right.
Canada isn’t a country it’s 10 provinces.
Yes, 10 provinces and 3 Territories, and makes usa country,buster!!!!
@@vinmangob8555 “Dam right”? Damn, you are serious!
@@modestacattaruzza7400 little American is a good way to think of it you’re right. Trump 2024
Leaving Toronto for Alberta next month. Bye Trudeauland!!
Would be informative to know how AB will decide how much each person would get for a pension. I know I just started collecting the AB pension. I am married, my husband tho lives in a different country, we've been married for 11 yrs, but because of our age difference, Canada made it basically impossible for him to come and live here. All this is said, because even tho I am married, AB does not consider me married, where the federal government does, and it makes a difference on the amount alloted for the AB pension, married is 213, single, as they deem me, is 67, which does absolutely nothing. So will AB offer all pensions the federal government does, OAS, CPP and GIS? I wonder.
"Because of our age difference, Canada made it basically impossible for him to come and live here." SAY WHAT?? This statement needs far more explanation.
That is a good question.
because of our age difference, they (the fed govt) deemed it a Red Flag, they feel, or felt at the time, back in 2013, that it was a marriage of convenience, a way for him to migrate to Canada. As well, because he was not a landowner, had no children in Jah, this was another Red Flag, no incentives to return to Jah. This is what a immigration lawyer warned me of when I went to talk to her about retaining her to help me fight. I just didnt realize how expensive it could get, so I couldnt go that route, as I was living paycheck to paycheck.
Sure it makes sense Alberta. Less people that contribute to a pension the less your contributions will be and the less contributions you put in the more you’ll get when you retire. Keep believing that.
Think about it.
Keep your hands off our CPP Conservative party.
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More time & resources being put to issues that don’t matter instead of dealing with issues within Alberta’s control. At the end of the day Alberta can’t add more value to my CPP than is already being done.
Canadians living in provinces as well as their employers contribute to the CPP. The provincial governments themselves do not contribute to the CPP. The individual provinces are signatories to the CPP framework. So it is not the investment of the Albertan government that is at question, but rather the investment by Canadians. The Albertan government can withdraw from the CPP, but the funds are not actually its own. The funds are part of the program investments. However, that's not to say they aren't entitled to funds; it would just come down to negotiation.
The contributions made by Albertans are what the Alberta government wants from the Federal government & Albertans are entitled to their contributions.
I wish i was born in alberta. I cant wait to move there.
Cheaper gas also lol
Actually, I am going back to BC, where I'll petition for a wall along the Rockies, and make the flatlanders pay for it. Why? Because I loathe and despise the"we've got ours, f#ck everyone else attitude behind the proposed pension deform.
Somehow I doubt you were ever a friend of the Prairies in the first place. The Rockies are already a wall anyway.
Please do. Don't let the pump Jack's hurt your feelings ont he way out.
Agree. The present attitude of Alberta is beyond disgusting.
@user-io9me1ve7q oh jeeze I wonder why alberta is sooo upset? Could it have something to do with carrying the rest of the country financially on our backs or is it the whole Villan thing for putting food on the table with our dirty oil? It's hard to have a positive attitude with all that b.s
@@alvarezah Deal with it. What's so innovative about shovelling oil sands into trucks and distilling it into crude to send to the US to be refined? Ontario and Quebec have aerospace, auto manufacturing, high tech hubs, and manufacturing with innovation daily. Alberta's still stuck in 1990s technology. Albertans are whiners.
The last few years we have seen a large increase in the contributions to the CPP in Alberta. I believe it is around 25% and it’s just more money for the liberals to squander into where ever they see fit. In my opinion there is way to much money handed over to groups outside of Canada. The pensions have really only increased about 1.9% for most people the cost of living have gone up lots more than that. If we did decide to have our own pension at least the money payed in. Would be used to better our province
The fact that YOU are sooooo misinformed to think that CPP contributions go into general coffers, AND that YOU pay more for CPP than the rest of Canada is mystifying....!? Alberta pays more into CPP, because Alberta employs, and has been employing MANY, MANY out of Province workers!
Was your lobotomy voluntary, or court ordered?
@@chrishogan8125 Being misinformed is an Albertan birthright.
@@chrishogan8125 do you understand people from all over Canada come to work there how about western Canada come to work in the east it will never happen because western Canada is not invited to work there goofs stop the welfare to easterners from Alberta money
@@chrishogan8125 So your saying the external company that came up with the numbers made a mistake? So can you give me a breakdown of the numbers with all the data you have collected since Alberta started paying into CPP. Or are you giving just your opinion on what you want to believe.
There is another aspect to this issue. Pension money goes in to a big pot and it is invested on behalf of the beneficiaries. This must be done of course to assure long term viability of the fund. The problem here is that investment decisions are also centralized and favour business based outside of western Canada. The maritimes have the same dilemma. It is quite underdeveloped on the East Coast because money and investment decisions are centralized. Alberta energy industry was only built on US money since Toronto had no interest. That of course is big banks but the pension fund managers think the same way. These days the fad is ESG and Trudeau has stated Canada should phase out oil sands and shut down the oil industry. The pension fund managers may as well be influenced by government policy and are not fully independent or at least dance to the tunes played by Toronto and Ottawa. Some other countries like the US are not centralized in business investment decisions. Any NYC financier will readily invest in Colorado, Vegas, LA or FLA. For Alberta this type of move may also work to support its own industry and even evolve clean tech in Alberta. As it stands now both the East Coast and the West are discriminated against in business financing. Citizens outside of central Canada are supporting Ontario business but none of that finance is circling back.
The CPP is actually managed by 4 Big banks in the USA. They have switched from investing in Money Market funds ie. Forex and Bonds to the Stock Market using ETFs. None of that money is required to support Canadian business or interests. So by notion of Centralization the US Govt can mandate when the Pension Funds can be allocated by Policy actions on US Banking interests. Quite a mess.
I. for one, don''t mind phasing out fossil fuels, as an Albertan I am careful bout where I say that but I think it best be done. Putting it off for years and years might make your oil company buds happy but if they were so smart they could have started developing green tech 50 years ago they would be just as rich and not half as nervous.
And, I am not Trudeau's biggest fan but I have to be fair. He has been used as a figure head to hate on like he hauled all this into his office on the first day. I remember these talks going on 50 years ago. I don't think he was even born yet.
@@evasartorius9528 the point is not whether fossil fuels should or should not be phased out rather it is about controlling your own destiny and your own future with your own funds. If the decision making is all centralized even investments in transitioning to alternate energy might well be centralized. I think for example little effort has been made around hydrogen solutions and it is commercially proven that green hydrogen can be derived from hydrocarbon deposits including those that are now no longer producing economically. EVs however benefit industry in central Canada and the environmental problems around lithium mining are glossed over or ignored. That is just one example. The current structure in Canada is somewhat colonialistic. I am on the East Coast and it is a wonderful place but disadvantaged by centralized focus. Just a few hours south the US East Coast thrives- why is that.
Stop trying to confuse the issue by calling them green hydrogen deposits. It's fossil fuels and one of the things that you are talking about is what people who have relatives in fossil fuels call 'orphan wells'. The ones that are no longer producing enough to be considered viable to the big companies. I know one guy who did quite well from them. Until he started to take his eye off the ball and the business.
The reason that the US East Coast thrives is the total lack of concern for the environment since Trump was elected. The first thing he did was throw out a bunch of Obama era regs like ones against dumping refuse from coal mines in rivers people get their drinking water from. You whine about concerns about lithium mines but go 'look things are wonderful over there'.
You want to call it colonialism because that is a bad word in the collective memories of people who were colonized. I am not a fan of colonialism, I believe that the 'locals' were doing just fine until the 'explorers' showed up. They had crossed the land bridge and were thriving in a new land without the modcons like electricity.
Trouble is that you re trying to call what the federal government does 'colonialism and trying to make it impossible for the federal government to govern.
Next it will be the provincial governments who will be exerting their colonial muscles. In Alberta every acre of land has a treaty number attached to it. That can make governing dicey. However when the provincial leaders like Smith start trying to enact their big plans for the future (Which will siphon more and more money out of province in the pockets of their 'investors') they will be stepping on lot of toes. Not that they care. Smith's Bill 1 was sloppily written and would have granted HER and a couple of minister (IF any.) to rewrite any law with out having it pass through the legislature.
That is a different kind of colonialism- lets call it fascism. But what ever you call it it will end up leaving more and more people out of the legislative loop. And when people like you start obfuscating they will go along because there are too few of them there to have anyone that knows better.
You are just trying to convince everyone that the 'open for business' deal will make it wonderful for everyone without offering proof just big words.
They don't even plan for self sufficiency, their long term plan includes small module nuclear power plants.That's gonna save the locals a lot of money, those things seem to start around 5 or 6 billion. That will have to be paid for by consumers. Why because someone is lobbying them. The big catch there is that the spent fuel rods can kill you in minutes and they have to be stored for decades and decades and decades. Not to mention the risk of an accident.
A word of warning, be careful what you wish for.@@tenniswilliam
He was born, fact is Trudy is playing his daddys card. All of his policy actions are the same as the 1970s. Destroying the Fossil Fuel industry isn't even his idea, its Pierres to maintain the easts economic and political power. @@evasartorius9528
Odd how there was no meantion of an APP during the recent election. Now she’s going the Full Monty.
Yeah, Smith slithered right in there with her far-right-wing-radical thinking. Most Albertans I know (even if they voted for her) want her to keep her hands off our CPP.
To @user-bu9ju5ic9h: You must have been listening to Toronto's CBC, or Toronto's CTV, or Toronto's Global News during the recent election.