Fun fact: the Estonian government was directly involved in smuggling alcohol to Finland and selling it for higher prices, as they could pocket it as extra tax money, of course this was done in secrecy and everything was covert, but it wasn't uncommon to see alcohol boxes waiting for Finnish boats to pick them up near Northern Estonian villages :-D Sending my greetings to Suomen veljet! 🇪🇪❤️🇫🇮
Quite a few of my friends still make one day trips to Estonia just to buy massive amounts of alkohol since it’s cheaper there than in Finland. Now it’s just not in secrecy 😆
When I travelled to Finland in 1979, one of the first people I met was a man, obviously intoxicated, who approached me at the Helsinki bus station. Not hostile at all(he tried to offer me a drink from his bottle) but his speech was very slurred, his body shook, and I couldn't understand anything he was saying(my Finnish language skills were nearly non existent at that point). At the time I was a little scared. The friend I was with came back and we went to our bus. Latter on I did the math, and given his apparent age I realized that he was probably a young man in the years 1939-44, and almost certainly would have served in the military conflicts of that period. I realized that like many combat veterans, he likely had PTSD, and may have turned to alcohol as a form of self medication. Since then I've always wondered about that man; wishing I hadn't been afraid, or had been able to help him in some way. I wonder if the large rise in alcohol use in the 1940s on the chart was because of the wars and their aftermath.
The war drove many men into alcoholism. It had a systemic effect on how children were raised and how families survived the drunken, violent fathers. It is a shared common trauma that still affects people to this day.
In Finland after the war it was almost taboo for the men to speak about the experiences in the war, and that led to a massive increase in alcoholism amongst veterans. Not a good idea.
@@yorkaturr Stop blaming alcohol for violent fathers, and fear is healthy for children, it make them grow up stronger, healthier and kinder, which then makes their kids, grow up weaker, angrier and more prone to violence. It has nothing to do with alcohol. Alcohol just helps people become one with their true self, and it's a good thing. Drinking too much alcohol is bad for you, but there are things worse for you than alcohol, such as wife that hasn't been punched in the face because she is a bad person and most definitely deserve to be thrown head first into frozen lake for being a bitch. Only bad women will get punched by alcoholic men. It is a true story. No one gets punched unless by accident if they don't deserve it, accident may include being drunk and missing original target. Alcohol is good for you, in moderation, it is good for soul, and it makes Northern Europeans into normal people.
I looked up my ancestors' names in old Finnish newspapers and was happy to get many results... they were all about my ancestors getting caught for making alcohol in this time period :/
@@sukkamus1 come again! we are waiting for drunk Finnish tourists to come to our restaurants, buy our alcohol and have a good time (and give us extra tax money :-) )
We live in interesting times since all the points in this video apply to cannabis illegality, and the prohibition around it is crumbling finally in many countries
I used to say that Northern Europe had a problem with alcohol consumption. I don't say it anymore because today teenager from all of Europe drink too much. That said (or no longer said), prohibition never ever solved anything.
Though a fully sober teenage groups have emerged too: Ones that are fine with others drinking, but no longer feel peer pressure to drink themselves. I see the general attitudes towards alcohol are more healthy in gen Z, and even some of the younger millennials. The ones drinking too much or too early, are kids that are trying to self medicate a mental issue, or troubles at home or school life. I think a more accessible ways to get these kids to (qualified and certified) therapists, and assistance for homelife, are a solution needed here: We need to listen young folks if they wish to get away from their parents, for an example. Young people of today are suffering more stress than ever.
Finland's alcohol consumption is not as high as ppl think. Watch The video "Country alcohol consumption comparison." In Europe the highest alcohol consumption countries are: The 1st Moldova, The 2nd, Lithuania, The 3rd Chechia and the 4th Germany. Finland is in the middle even under Forinstance Russia, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, France, Ireland, UK, Serbia, Belarus, Cypros, Portugal,Latvia, Estonia, Poland etc. are ahead of Finland. Good you mentioned of that.
The problem is how we consume not how much we do. We drink to get absolutly fucked up and everything in one sitting dont eat while doing it. Not like central europeans who drink a bit all the time.
I remember my home town(half the population is from Finland or is Finnish culturally), it literally has a bar that just does pickups so you can go home and drink in your underwear (pre covid).
Right attitude in that town. At least you didn't have to wonder if you would have to spend the lock downs sober. Covid brought uncertainties in many things, but your town had that part covered!
politicians never learn, forbidding something does not make demand go away. Just as with cannabis, we got a lot of crime in sweden cause of this, the demand is there and the people buying it must pay criminality taxes, if it instead was regulated the government could get those taxes and a lot less crime.
Yeah. And certain strains of cannabis are so mild, they cause less problems than alcohol. Edibles don't even harm your lungs, and some strains are apparently good on treating seizures, others help with adhd, and others mitigate side effect symptoms while doing chemo for cancer treatment. This is clearly a plant that can do a lot of good. Even if it's legalised, it doesn't mean we need to sell it in supermarkets so "what about the children" argument doesn't work: Stronger strains could be sold in pharmacy, and milder strains could be sold in specialised stores the way strong alcohol is sold in Alko in Finland. Honestly, hating that what-about-children argument: Didn't work with alcohol either. If a kid is determined enough, they can find ways to mess themselves up (mushrooms, glue, medicine cabinets of their parents...) The job is to educate kids to not do that too early. Get taxes from that stuff, and call it a deal.
I hope Swedish politicians see this and make the connection with cannabis laws in Sweden and the history of alcohol prohibition. It doesn’t work and there’s so much more to gain by letting the state take control of cannabis sale.
Basically two nations had prohibition laws for the same amount of time, USA and Finland. One started a year earlier and ended a year earlier than the other, and both of them had the same 'successes' , although the american criminals have had a much more long-lasting existence if they got started during prohibition or before, compared to finnish smugglers.
I think it's a clear example that Finland shouldn't follow U.S in most things they do. The way U.S has privatised things like healthcare for example, also hasn't helped an average citizen. Yet Finland is on the same road, letting companies that take care of essential services, go not just private, but go to foreign ownership that don't even pay taxes to Finland. Same with mining industry: Foreign companies that take the benefits and let them go aboard, instead of benefitting Finnish interests and being taxed by Finland. Shit like that should be government owned if we don't get the tax revenue. Nothing against foreigners or something. But I hate when we aren't taxing things that affect the population of Finland. Drugs like cannabis too: Put decent restrictions on who can sell, legalise it, and tax the hell out of it.
@@Robbini0 yeah. Finns (and every country) should look if stuff like this works in other countries, before immediately imitating it. When you are handed a test you can observe without risk to yourself, you shouldn't waste it.
Well you know what they say, those are smuggling illegal things are always against the legalize to control the monopoly. There's always more money involved in black market than in legal tax paying and those who are in charge of black market wants to keep the money for themselves instead of giving it to government. Plus making drugs legal would mean hard and expensive project to create working system which allows controlled drug distribution, and creating better health care system to deal with people who overdose or abuse them. Plus it would be also big hit for alcohol industry which is currently controlled by government. Plus many other things about human behavior which I just can't get to my mind right now thanks to being sleepy. But the main point here was that it always comes to money, it's more profitable to keep them illegal than making them legal. Human is so easy to corrupt, body and soul.
It wasn't a total failure, the prohibition made a lot of Estonian coastal villages very rich ;)
For Finland
Oo yes yes business yeah as Estonian it's go to Latvia buy "Viin" go to Finland sell it and you just got free trip to Helsingi 😅
@@dragm2123 they going alco 1000
How you gonna say it wasnt a total failure when we talk about Finland and not Estonia.
@@dislikebutton966 well it made a lot of finish "entrepanours" rich as well
Fun fact: the Estonian government was directly involved in smuggling alcohol to Finland and selling it for higher prices, as they could pocket it as extra tax money, of course this was done in secrecy and everything was covert, but it wasn't uncommon to see alcohol boxes waiting for Finnish boats to pick them up near Northern Estonian villages :-D
Sending my greetings to Suomen veljet! 🇪🇪❤️🇫🇮
*Suomen veljet
Makes so happy how siblings help each others out :D
Quite a few of my friends still make one day trips to Estonia just to buy massive amounts of alkohol since it’s cheaper there than in Finland. Now it’s just not in secrecy 😆
When I travelled to Finland in 1979, one of the first people I met was a man, obviously intoxicated, who approached me at the Helsinki bus station. Not hostile at all(he tried to offer me a drink from his bottle) but his speech was very slurred, his body shook, and I couldn't understand anything he was saying(my Finnish language skills were nearly non existent at that point). At the time I was a little scared. The friend I was with came back and we went to our bus.
Latter on I did the math, and given his apparent age I realized that he was probably a young man in the years 1939-44, and almost certainly would have served in the military conflicts of that period. I realized that like many combat veterans, he likely had PTSD, and may have turned to alcohol as a form of self medication. Since then I've always wondered about that man; wishing I hadn't been afraid, or had been able to help him in some way.
I wonder if the large rise in alcohol use in the 1940s on the chart was because of the wars and their aftermath.
The war drove many men into alcoholism. It had a systemic effect on how children were raised and how families survived the drunken, violent fathers. It is a shared common trauma that still affects people to this day.
In Finland after the war it was almost taboo for the men to speak about the experiences in the war, and that led to a massive increase in alcoholism amongst veterans. Not a good idea.
The end story: he was fine, he just wanted to give you a liquid bread because you looked famished.
@@yorkaturr Stop blaming alcohol for violent fathers, and fear is healthy for children, it make them grow up stronger, healthier and kinder, which then makes their kids, grow up weaker, angrier and more prone to violence. It has nothing to do with alcohol. Alcohol just helps people become one with their true self, and it's a good thing. Drinking too much alcohol is bad for you, but there are things worse for you than alcohol, such as wife that hasn't been punched in the face because she is a bad person and most definitely deserve to be thrown head first into frozen lake for being a bitch. Only bad women will get punched by alcoholic men. It is a true story.
No one gets punched unless by accident if they don't deserve it, accident may include being drunk and missing original target.
Alcohol is good for you, in moderation, it is good for soul, and it makes Northern Europeans into normal people.
Well, alcohol wasn't the biggest problem because since 1936 to 1960s Finland had like biggest heroin and meth consumption per capita
I looked up my ancestors' names in old Finnish newspapers and was happy to get many results... they were all about my ancestors getting caught for making alcohol in this time period :/
Good for them.
Entrepreneurs! Good roots to have, you should be proud. Not all of the smugglers were violent, and some of the ways people hid pirtu were ingenious.
7:55 that shit was fire
The hottest cocktail of 1939
@@mandelin0 totally lit
They liked it so much they still lay there today
This is The perfect example of: "The solution is not prohibition, it's legalization and regulation"
speaking of Finish prohibition , my great-grandfather was smuggling alcohol from Riga To Helsinki as his main trade and got super rich of it.
Thank you for yours great-grandpa's service
I was once working in a liquor factory. My job was to sit and watch the bottles as they slide past. One by one
Seems like an easy job
That’s a dream job right there
Were you allowed to drink while doing it?
@@PastelComGini No, just watch.
god i wish i could get payed for sitting around and doing nothing
Foreign guests being treated with cocktails :D Classic!
A classic Mandelin punc line! This guy really knows how to crack a joke!!!
Thank you for this educational material
My pleasure
Funniest content of my neighbourhood
Hyvää settiä, jatka videoiden tekemistä ! :)
Kiitos!
estonia, selling finland cheap aclohol since 1919
Please never stop selling it
@@sukkamus1 come again! we are waiting for drunk Finnish tourists to come to our restaurants, buy our alcohol and have a good time (and give us extra tax money :-) )
We live in interesting times since all the points in this video apply to cannabis illegality, and the prohibition around it is crumbling finally in many countries
Otan teidän puolesta. Ryyppään itseni hengiltä!
Mainio video minun friend, jatka same malliin👍
Thank you!
I used to say that Northern Europe had a problem with alcohol consumption.
I don't say it anymore because today teenager from all of Europe drink too much.
That said (or no longer said), prohibition never ever solved anything.
Though a fully sober teenage groups have emerged too: Ones that are fine with others drinking, but no longer feel peer pressure to drink themselves. I see the general attitudes towards alcohol are more healthy in gen Z, and even some of the younger millennials. The ones drinking too much or too early, are kids that are trying to self medicate a mental issue, or troubles at home or school life.
I think a more accessible ways to get these kids to (qualified and certified) therapists, and assistance for homelife, are a solution needed here: We need to listen young folks if they wish to get away from their parents, for an example. Young people of today are suffering more stress than ever.
Finland's alcohol consumption is not as high as ppl think.
Watch The video "Country alcohol consumption comparison."
In Europe the highest alcohol consumption countries are:
The 1st Moldova, The 2nd, Lithuania, The 3rd Chechia and the 4th Germany.
Finland is in the middle even under
Forinstance Russia, Switzerland, Austria, Belgium, France, Ireland, UK, Serbia, Belarus, Cypros, Portugal,Latvia, Estonia, Poland etc. are ahead of Finland.
Good you mentioned of that.
Of course they drunk More when alcohol IS cheaper than water
The problem is how we consume not how much we do.
We drink to get absolutly fucked up and everything in one sitting dont eat while doing it. Not like central europeans who drink a bit all the time.
@@k3kboi665 Good point
Moldova and Lithuania is another story but Czechia and Germany only come up with those high consumption numbers due to the large amount of tourists.
@engineer gaming thats not a flex at all :D
I remember my home town(half the population is from Finland or is Finnish culturally), it literally has a bar that just does pickups so you can go home and drink in your underwear (pre covid).
In which country?
@@VigilantX9 canada
Right attitude in that town. At least you didn't have to wonder if you would have to spend the lock downs sober. Covid brought uncertainties in many things, but your town had that part covered!
2:50 im pretty sure my sister was there lol
politicians never learn, forbidding something does not make demand go away. Just as with cannabis, we got a lot of crime in sweden cause of this, the demand is there and the people buying it must pay criminality taxes, if it instead was regulated the government could get those taxes and a lot less crime.
Yeah. And certain strains of cannabis are so mild, they cause less problems than alcohol. Edibles don't even harm your lungs, and some strains are apparently good on treating seizures, others help with adhd, and others mitigate side effect symptoms while doing chemo for cancer treatment.
This is clearly a plant that can do a lot of good. Even if it's legalised, it doesn't mean we need to sell it in supermarkets so "what about the children" argument doesn't work: Stronger strains could be sold in pharmacy, and milder strains could be sold in specialised stores the way strong alcohol is sold in Alko in Finland.
Honestly, hating that what-about-children argument: Didn't work with alcohol either. If a kid is determined enough, they can find ways to mess themselves up (mushrooms, glue, medicine cabinets of their parents...) The job is to educate kids to not do that too early.
Get taxes from that stuff, and call it a deal.
What's whit the start?
Oh thats just me for me it was a bunch of green pixel goop.
*Adjust your Video quality, that's gonna make the goop disappear.*
I hope Swedish politicians see this and make the connection with cannabis laws in Sweden and the history of alcohol prohibition. It doesn’t work and there’s so much more to gain by letting the state take control of cannabis sale.
"VOILEIPÄ"
A toast to Molotov! 🍻
Only if it involves throwing that toast at him with fire on the side.
Ironic that there is vodka called absolut.
Voileipä 🥪
taustalla soi sama musiikki mikä soi vrchatin blackcatissä ;D
Prohibition doesn't seem to work for other substances either such as weed
4:57 What show is it?
Pasila 2.0
What is that Song at 5:12
Guile's theme from Street Fighter
@@mandelin0 Aijaha
hyvä video
4:47 Mikä oli tuon sarjan nimi mä en muista
Pasila
@@scoutt1325 joo mä löysin sen jo
As The say.
The copium IS best server cold.
0:09
you are tied to Korea and my country , thats pretty weak 😂🤣
OK
voileipä is the best
Basically two nations had prohibition laws for the same amount of time, USA and Finland. One started a year earlier and ended a year earlier than the other, and both of them had the same 'successes' , although the american criminals have had a much more long-lasting existence if they got started during prohibition or before, compared to finnish smugglers.
I think it's a clear example that Finland shouldn't follow U.S in most things they do. The way U.S has privatised things like healthcare for example, also hasn't helped an average citizen. Yet Finland is on the same road, letting companies that take care of essential services, go not just private, but go to foreign ownership that don't even pay taxes to Finland.
Same with mining industry: Foreign companies that take the benefits and let them go aboard, instead of benefitting Finnish interests and being taxed by Finland. Shit like that should be government owned if we don't get the tax revenue.
Nothing against foreigners or something. But I hate when we aren't taxing things that affect the population of Finland. Drugs like cannabis too: Put decent restrictions on who can sell, legalise it, and tax the hell out of it.
Well, they weren't the only nations that had prohibition, but they were the ones that had it the longest and the same problems.@@Sienisota
@@Robbini0 yeah. Finns (and every country) should look if stuff like this works in other countries, before immediately imitating it. When you are handed a test you can observe without risk to yourself, you shouldn't waste it.
"Votka" - my drunk father
... but _drugs_ R still _baaaad_ mmkay kids? Especially the mariguanas!
In most epic democraszy in the world we should make referendums about important stuff.
Name a better history couple than Russian Tanks and Molotov Cocktails
only 70% voted against prohibition?
probably the smugglers voted for it hahah
the 30% were underage and cannot vote yet
VOILEIPÄ
youd think i was drunk even when i havent drank any alcohol becuse of the way i act
Ei tekis niin kosk ne tarvii sen 100% alkoholi veron
Then why still keep drugs illegal? 🤔
Well you know what they say, those are smuggling illegal things are always against the legalize to control the monopoly. There's always more money involved in black market than in legal tax paying and those who are in charge of black market wants to keep the money for themselves instead of giving it to government. Plus making drugs legal would mean hard and expensive project to create working system which allows controlled drug distribution, and creating better health care system to deal with people who overdose or abuse them. Plus it would be also big hit for alcohol industry which is currently controlled by government. Plus many other things about human behavior which I just can't get to my mind right now thanks to being sleepy. But the main point here was that it always comes to money, it's more profitable to keep them illegal than making them legal. Human is so easy to corrupt, body and soul.
Ei jumankauta tuota ääntämistä. Voisi edes hieman yrittää.
Vissii uus tälläkanavalla :D