@@LucidButtonMasherIt'd not be odd if they add it to more characters, seeing as we also got new special moves. Either way giving it to specifically Slayer feels very fitting.
Hand of Doom being a ‘rekka’ out of backdash is pretty important. 1. You can avoid throws as well as strikes, which is rare (aka unheard of) for a reversal in strive, which means you can make most of the top tiers cry. 2. Due to strive’s special kara super mechanic, you can cancel the startup of hand of doom into a super, which basically means you can cancel backdash into his supers (though I bet it’ll require some practice to do it fast so there’s an avenue for skill expression). So even though Last Horizon isn’t stated to be invulnerable on startup like super mappa, you can still use it as a reversal. 3. Hand is delayable out of backdash, which means it has the potential to beat a lot of OS’s that might beat other reversals. 4. You can combo out of it on counterhit meterlessly. This too is unheard of. 5. Hand isn’t even counterhit recovery on block. Once again, completely unheard of for a reversal. Do NOT be sad that it isn’t safe. In the context of strive, Hand of Doom is privileged at a level I can barely even fathom, and unless it has some quirk in the frame data like being minus on normal hit, I’d wager that Slayer will have the BEST defense in the game just off of this one move. Also Last Horizon is described as a strike, and nowhere in the trailer does it say that it can hit blocking opponents.
Minus on normal hit. You mean may dolphin for about 2 years. (and yeah a lot of moves are minus on normal hit, but you can cancel them so it's irrelevant, hit only adds 3 more frames (4 if crouch hit), unless it has a property like trip launch or direct knockdown etc) But yeah Slayer is going to be turbo cracked.
im eyeballing it but i think the flaw is it's kinda slow, meaning it can be safe meatied? the speed makes me wonder if meaty close slash into block would be able to block it in time. Also if you can rc this thing on block it'll be so fucking funny man
@@Awuga guilty fear strive’s design philosophy seems to be to make universal mechanics, well, universal. If it is a strike, chances are it can be red roman cancelled on hit or block. Strive seems to not really like exceptions, and would rather implement weaknesses into moves instead of artificially limit a move’s access to a universal mechanic that it otherwise would have. Therefore, I believe it will likely be able to be rc’d on block.
7:27 Lmfao Slayer just heard "Strive is a big damage game" and went "Real shit!??" And that shit's on Nago too who is a relatively sturdy character when his blood gauge isn't high, imagine that on characters with lower guts like Faust, Millia, Chipp. Instakills boutta be real again.
@@LucidButtonMasher Those were fun yeah, hope they’re back in some way, even if just through arcade. Still love the super though, specifically because of the sheer amount of emotional damage lol
Considering that Slayer was like "meh" against Dizzy's nuclear explosion in Xrd, I want to see his face during Faust's bone crushing excitement Update: He just gets horni apparently
04:26 Hiya Lucid, Long time viewer and guilty gear enjoyer! I play a ton of all 3 mainline Guilty Gear Games including strive, so i can explain how this interaction works. This is a Guard Crush Combo, which takes the place of Black Beat combos in strive since there is no air teching. When you get hit by a guard crush attack, you enter a stun animation for a brief period of time. while in this animation you can only do 3 things. Block, Deflect Shield(season 3's 50% burst meter that pushes people a mile away) and Burst. *note that i included block here*. Guard Crush isn't like blockstun, so if you let go of block you can be hit during this animation. thats what creates the black beat combos for strive. so in this case Nago simply just let go of block and got hit with what looks like Slayers C.s. Now why would you let go of block? well in strive Guard Crush has another delineation from Blockstun. after leaving block stun you have 5 frames of throw invincibility, built in so you can mash on characters throws like Nagoriyuki's Bite or Potemkin's Buster. this creates the strike throw we all know and love since if they guess wrong they either get tossed or get counter hit. *Guard crush doesn't give you that at all.* if you get hit by a guard crush attack you can get thrown the first frame after you recover. meaning strike throw turns into guess for game as they lose the option to mash on you and have to backdash or jump. You can see this with Johnny's Cards allowing for Throw Resets(Still not as cool as his dustloops from XRD) and Nagoriyuki's white wild assault and 6HS(Both cause Guard Crush). which leads to Nago being able to have even more frightening corner pressure. Why does this matter to slayer? it means that he can strike throw the shit out of people off his HS Follow up "Master's Hammer" because of the guard crush. so either they get caught jumping or backdashing with a well timed C.s, or they get thrown which gives Slayer his "UNIVERSE" Counter hit. Basicly means Slayer as a character will be Viable. High Low mix that can lead to a strike throw situation if they stay too defensive? Going to be very strong. My guess for what could make him worse is no invincibility when dashing.... which would be a bummer, but kinda like his Backdash in this game being reduced to a meter-less reversal, there have to be ways to counterplay him. The good news is with his backdash in netrual you can do some minor mind games of going for 446S for his Backdash attack to make them play it safe on wake up, and then simply just perform a wake up back dash to disconnect from the opponent's pressure. No more fully invincible wake up grabs sadly, but makes sense considering Strives design philosophy of reducing certain powerful options and simplifying mechanics to make it easier to start learning fighting games. the 100% tension also makes me super excited when Dizzy comes back as that could mean we have Gamma Ray come back! cant wait to see that in action! Edit: also wanted to add that we saw from the trailer that you can combo into his 100% super move, so like Sol's Alpha version of Heavy Mob Cemetery. Second Edit: 08:10 This right here is similar to Strive Baiken. Blue Wild assault leads to a stagger state that you can combo into her S.Kabari , so for slayer if you spend 50% burst you can combo into his bite on grounded combos.
Awesome analysis! blue wild assault into bite was something I didn’t consider at first, but looks like a very potent option for starting his threatening universe pressure. His vacuum scratch looking move also makes me think that this character is going to be biting a ton, probably the reason why his dandy pressure doesn’t seem to have meterless follow ups with no counter hit.
@@LucidButtonMasher By the way, Pilebunker does appear to Guard Crush on block despite it being punishable. It looks like it does some pretty sizable chip damage so that's one reason, it might also be a guard crush so people don't YRC on reaction and are more likely to recognize they can punish
That move slayer does where he dashes forward with a blue disk behind him is Blue Wild Assault, and out of all 3 versions, they gave him the setup version. Red is for combos, Blue is for setups, and White is for winning. You might find that weird but TBF they gave Johnny, a setup like character, Red and Elphelt, the combo machine, Blue.
tbf johnny having red is much more cohesive to his gameplan than blue its what allows him to guarantee wall break from anywhere and he doesnt really need the setup of blue wa to put cards down cause he has pretty reliable ways to knock down elphelt can use blue to force command grab super but more importantly its one of the only moves that naturally combos into 6h and idk if red would have enough hitstun to do the same
and kick is a long range poke, so at certain ranges not even who's piloting slayer will know where the fuck they'll end up, or at least i hope it's going to be like that
@@LucidButtonMasher You can see his j.s at 5:40, sadly it looks far less active than in Xrd and he doesn't say his iconic HOHOHO line. It's also less noticeable because he does less with his hands
Explanation for guard crush and universe counter hit Guard crush: this is an effect that has extended blockstun. Unlike regular blockstun, it has no throw protection of any kind whereas any other blocked attack has 5 frames of throw protection. Additionally guard crush deactivates the affected player's input buffer for the duration of the effect thereby making abare defense and reversals much harder to do. What this means for slayer is that there is potentially a situation that exists where you can guarantee bloodsucking universe on your opponent however the situations where this is possible will likely be difficult to set up for Universal counter hit: counter hit in strive exists in levels where certain attacks allow for higher level counter hit states than others. For example, Sol's 5K inflicts a smaller counter hit state than his 5H. What this means for slayer is that universal counter hit guarantees that slayer gets the maximum level counter hit state off of any attack he lands on the opponent while the buff state is active meaning he can in theory get a much higher level counter hit off of his 5P or 2K than he otherwise would without the buff
@@LucidButtonMasher in addition to what this commenter said, if you catch someone in the end of guard crush blockstun who was doing anything other than blocking (and this includes if they block low and you do an overhead for example), it will show up as a black beat combo starting from the move that inflicted guard crush. It's kinda a replacement for unblockables which have been all but entirely removed in Strive (for example, Johnny has guard crush instead of unblockables) as well as a way to enable true 50/50 strike throw mixups without fuzzy options as a possibility.
Guard crush doesn't guarantee a command grab except in cases where the grab works on airborne opponents (pot can get heavenly guaranteed if he has meter for it + RC heat knuckle on block for example). Otherwise you can just hold up to avoid the grab.
How could he use guard crush to guarantee a bsu? Guard crush gives a true strike/throw 50/50. There is no way in the game to guarantee a command throw (besides combos off of stagger).
I think the universe counter hit functions like a R.I.S.C. counter hit. Slayer combos off of uncharged dust (which sends the opponent straight up like a R.I.S.C. counter) using a universe counter hit, as well as attacks doing 30% extra damage. In the trailer, universe pile bunker actually out damages Super Mappa Hunch.
Slayer’s 6P was shown in the gameplay video. It seems like it is a lot faster, but it is just an elbow bash as opposed to slayer’s whole back. A fast 6p is honestly probably a lot better for strive, since you can’t low profile any of the reversals in this game, and if slayer’s 6p had the same startup as it did in previous games, it would make beating stuff like elphelt’s Rekka and Rekka resets impossible without meter. It is sad to see 6p go, but slayer is probably better of in strive with his new one.
I've said in other videos that I know nothing about Slayer, and still applies. But, you're telling me It's late is that because you can confirm if you're late with it, and Under Pressure is to reset the pressure?! Absolute genius
I'm happy that he's mostly intact. I had a suspicion that they wouldn't put BDC in, so I'm glad it survives in some form. He's an interesting mix of EX and regular slayer. And that 100 tension super though!
Helter Skelter mix is back! While I am sad he can't BDC all his specials (at least based on the footage), I think the Hand of Doom is decent compromise for Strive. If he still has links, I'm hoping he'll have at least one like 2K/5K > 2D off fS because it staggers. Also RIP Footloose Journey, you will be missed.
well he wasnt as bullshit as those two. he doesnt just put a pineapple on the screen that controls neutral nor does he leave hidden traps across the screen that you cannot see properly.
He probably builds a ton of meter (pilebunker is wall stick garanteed, cba move the video back to check dandy step), maybe why he gets a 100 meter super
Okay the Last Horizon super goes extremely hard not gonna lie and i like that Slayer seems to be mostly intact and they did not completly change his moves unlike some other characthers in Strive. I sadly have a feeling i wont be able to say the same thing about Raven if he returns to Strive but who knows.
Yeah Ravens excitement gauge would probably be reworked or replaced with something else and it would not suprise if his funky movement options would be changed as well. Though i still feel like he has the potential to be an extremely cool charachter in Strive.
@@shadowvincent8718 he would likely be changed. I love XRD Rev 2 Raven he is genuinely amazing and deep. If they would rework Raven I hope they truly Mix his Guilty Gear 2 moveset and Rev 2 moveset into something cool and unique.
By the way, pilebunker does guardcrush even though its punishable, so off of RC you have the bite option. Im curious if he'll have enough time to fast RC dandy mixup off of it as well, which would be absolutely dastardly.
He looks better than I expected, have to admit. Reinstalling Strive I guess. If you missed it, Bloodsucking Universe buff doesn't go away on block any more either, seems like almost guaranteed reward on hit.
If the Guard Crush on Bunker is at least similar in length to the one on Danzai, you might be able to pull mix off using an FRC if they block it. Could be that's it's a fairly belligerent neutral option once you have 50 tension, assuming the reward on CH is something noteworthy. Especially if it's able to be spaced to be safe.
Super Mappa Hunch seems like a pretty low damage super. It only takes Nago to just before the N in his name, and it is out damaged slightly by universe pilebunker, which takes Nago to halfway through the N. Still seems like a good move though, given that it is a fast, fullscreen, invincible attack. Just surprisingly low damage for a super.
@LucidButtonMasher True but if they were trying to experiment with them an open ended test wouldn't be a bad practical data collector. I honestly wouldn't mind if this *was* the new form of IKs or burst supers. Still. Valid point
@LucidButtonMasher yeah This all of course is purely hypothetical on my end And they could just decide to add instant kills as a mechanic in season 4 since apparently they *do* still want to use them
I’m disappointed how much they changed from characters like Elphelt, Johnny, and now Slayer. But oh well… I can always just play the old games too. I still love playing strive and can’t wait to see a big UNIVERSE on the screen when I punch my friends.
and i don't think if they showed if you can cancel dandy step into one of the follow ups earlier (i.e. k dandy and pilebunker when you're going back instead of only when he's going forward)
Ha ha ha *mashes potbuster* He does look fun to play given he has a 4 way mix. Probably make a lot of acr pot players mad for having a vacuum 2S into grab.
That raging demon is definitely them wanting to bring back IKs in some form lol
Pretty weird choice to only give it to one guy. 100 meter supers are rare especially if it replaced another super slot
@@LucidButtonMasherIt'd not be odd if they add it to more characters, seeing as we also got new special moves. Either way giving it to specifically Slayer feels very fitting.
Strike super
@@Creepo_J really unfortunate
@@UncleMerlin
I'd let myself get command grabbed
I love that they went all in on the "just punch really hard" and made his best move a literal giant punch
Luckily been that way since XX with dead on time
@@LucidButtonMasher I feel like Super Mappa Hunch just IS Dead on Time, just called something different.
Yah just weird they changed the name
@@LucidButtonMasher theyre removing the queen references😢
@geo6398 I think they changed the name because Mappa means naked, and that is what slayer is when he uses the move.
Hand of Doom being a ‘rekka’ out of backdash is pretty important.
1. You can avoid throws as well as strikes, which is rare (aka unheard of) for a reversal in strive, which means you can make most of the top tiers cry.
2. Due to strive’s special kara super mechanic, you can cancel the startup of hand of doom into a super, which basically means you can cancel backdash into his supers (though I bet it’ll require some practice to do it fast so there’s an avenue for skill expression). So even though Last Horizon isn’t stated to be invulnerable on startup like super mappa, you can still use it as a reversal.
3. Hand is delayable out of backdash, which means it has the potential to beat a lot of OS’s that might beat other reversals.
4. You can combo out of it on counterhit meterlessly. This too is unheard of.
5. Hand isn’t even counterhit recovery on block. Once again, completely unheard of for a reversal.
Do NOT be sad that it isn’t safe. In the context of strive, Hand of Doom is privileged at a level I can barely even fathom, and unless it has some quirk in the frame data like being minus on normal hit, I’d wager that Slayer will have the BEST defense in the game just off of this one move.
Also Last Horizon is described as a strike, and nowhere in the trailer does it say that it can hit blocking opponents.
Cancelling it will be fun if that's the case. Curious how much invuln his back dash will have
dang I am really happy with the new back desk cancel now. thank you for hyping me up
Minus on normal hit. You mean may dolphin for about 2 years. (and yeah a lot of moves are minus on normal hit, but you can cancel them so it's irrelevant, hit only adds 3 more frames (4 if crouch hit), unless it has a property like trip launch or direct knockdown etc)
But yeah Slayer is going to be turbo cracked.
im eyeballing it but i think the flaw is it's kinda slow, meaning it can be safe meatied? the speed makes me wonder if meaty close slash into block would be able to block it in time.
Also if you can rc this thing on block it'll be so fucking funny man
@@Awuga guilty fear strive’s design philosophy seems to be to make universal mechanics, well, universal. If it is a strike, chances are it can be red roman cancelled on hit or block. Strive seems to not really like exceptions, and would rather implement weaknesses into moves instead of artificially limit a move’s access to a universal mechanic that it otherwise would have. Therefore, I believe it will likely be able to be rc’d on block.
7:27 Lmfao Slayer just heard "Strive is a big damage game" and went "Real shit!??"
And that shit's on Nago too who is a relatively sturdy character when his blood gauge isn't high, imagine that on characters with lower guts like Faust, Millia, Chipp.
Instakills boutta be real again.
Slayer with the Strive IK be so funny fr fr
Miss the haikus though
@@LucidButtonMasher Those were fun yeah, hope they’re back in some way, even if just through arcade.
Still love the super though, specifically because of the sheer amount of emotional damage lol
Asuka no mana TOD
@@LucidButtonMasher some gameplay footage of a fight with nago dropped and i think he does haikus in his win pose with sharon
They turned slayer into dandy akuma and i'm HERE FOR IT
Good timing too
Considering that Slayer was like "meh" against Dizzy's nuclear explosion in Xrd, I want to see his face during Faust's bone crushing excitement
Update: He just gets horni apparently
It'll probably look like the xrd Faust super if i had to guess
My guess is that he just yawns.
The the wheelchair takes damage
Getting hit by a nuclear explosion is NOTHING compared to being hit in the shins.
Trust me, I’ve tried both.
Even Dandyism incarnate can not beat a wheelchair to the shins
he doesn't adjust his tie after bunker
Truly sad
man's wearing a clip on now. :pensive:
He's just become so good at being Dandy that his tie stays perfect by itself
@@lukelacher1802 stop justifying 😃🔪
No but now he puffs out smoke which looks equally cool imo! A nice refreshing animation.
04:26 Hiya Lucid, Long time viewer and guilty gear enjoyer! I play a ton of all 3 mainline Guilty Gear Games including strive, so i can explain how this interaction works. This is a Guard Crush Combo, which takes the place of Black Beat combos in strive since there is no air teching.
When you get hit by a guard crush attack, you enter a stun animation for a brief period of time. while in this animation you can only do 3 things. Block, Deflect Shield(season 3's 50% burst meter that pushes people a mile away) and Burst. *note that i included block here*. Guard Crush isn't like blockstun, so if you let go of block you can be hit during this animation. thats what creates the black beat combos for strive. so in this case Nago simply just let go of block and got hit with what looks like Slayers C.s.
Now why would you let go of block? well in strive Guard Crush has another delineation from Blockstun. after leaving block stun you have 5 frames of throw invincibility, built in so you can mash on characters throws like Nagoriyuki's Bite or Potemkin's Buster. this creates the strike throw we all know and love since if they guess wrong they either get tossed or get counter hit. *Guard crush doesn't give you that at all.* if you get hit by a guard crush attack you can get thrown the first frame after you recover. meaning strike throw turns into guess for game as they lose the option to mash on you and have to backdash or jump. You can see this with Johnny's Cards allowing for Throw Resets(Still not as cool as his dustloops from XRD) and Nagoriyuki's white wild assault and 6HS(Both cause Guard Crush). which leads to Nago being able to have even more frightening corner pressure.
Why does this matter to slayer? it means that he can strike throw the shit out of people off his HS Follow up "Master's Hammer" because of the guard crush. so either they get caught jumping or backdashing with a well timed C.s, or they get thrown which gives Slayer his "UNIVERSE" Counter hit. Basicly means Slayer as a character will be Viable. High Low mix that can lead to a strike throw situation if they stay too defensive? Going to be very strong. My guess for what could make him worse is no invincibility when dashing.... which would be a bummer, but kinda like his Backdash in this game being reduced to a meter-less reversal, there have to be ways to counterplay him. The good news is with his backdash in netrual you can do some minor mind games of going for 446S for his Backdash attack to make them play it safe on wake up, and then simply just perform a wake up back dash to disconnect from the opponent's pressure. No more fully invincible wake up grabs sadly, but makes sense considering Strives design philosophy of reducing certain powerful options and simplifying mechanics to make it easier to start learning fighting games.
the 100% tension also makes me super excited when Dizzy comes back as that could mean we have Gamma Ray come back! cant wait to see that in action!
Edit: also wanted to add that we saw from the trailer that you can combo into his 100% super move, so like Sol's Alpha version of Heavy Mob Cemetery.
Second Edit: 08:10 This right here is similar to Strive Baiken. Blue Wild assault leads to a stagger state that you can combo into her S.Kabari , so for slayer if you spend 50% burst you can combo into his bite on grounded combos.
Awesome analysis! blue wild assault into bite was something I didn’t consider at first, but looks like a very potent option for starting his threatening universe pressure. His vacuum scratch looking move also makes me think that this character is going to be biting a ton, probably the reason why his dandy pressure doesn’t seem to have meterless follow ups with no counter hit.
Great write up, many thanks. Guard crush is gonna be weird but this helps
@@mexicanchicken3377 when you look at some of the footage it seems like one of his normals also staggers on hit allowing him to combo into BSU
@@LucidButtonMasher By the way, Pilebunker does appear to Guard Crush on block despite it being punishable. It looks like it does some pretty sizable chip damage so that's one reason, it might also be a guard crush so people don't YRC on reaction and are more likely to recognize they can punish
Pilling my bunker to this rn
At my castle, absolutely piling it
And when I say it, lets just say…
My Bunker
Truly was up piling my bunker last night making this
"My boy Lushid Mutton Basher eating well" -words that came out of my mouth about 12 seconds ago
Lmao
That move slayer does where he dashes forward with a blue disk behind him is Blue Wild Assault, and out of all 3 versions, they gave him the setup version. Red is for combos, Blue is for setups, and White is for winning. You might find that weird but TBF they gave Johnny, a setup like character, Red and Elphelt, the combo machine, Blue.
I'm so sad he didn't get WA but since they gave him so much movement it wouldn't be reasonable hahah
That's weird but I'll learn
"Red is for combos, Blue is for setups, and White is for winning" out here spittin FACTS
@@raghugba863 Look I only spit facts
tbf johnny having red is much more cohesive to his gameplan than blue its what allows him to guarantee wall break from anywhere and he doesnt really need the setup of blue wa to put cards down cause he has pretty reliable ways to knock down
elphelt can use blue to force command grab super but more importantly its one of the only moves that naturally combos into 6h and idk if red would have enough hitstun to do the same
oh yeah dash cancels after c.S and 5k are a universal mechanic in strive, even on block
Yeah, i wonder how long is the recovery on slayers teleport with dash cancel, cause he'll be doing left rights all day
and kick is a long range poke, so at certain ranges not even who's piloting slayer will know where the fuck they'll end up, or at least i hope it's going to be like that
5k probably won't be plus then
@@LucidButtonMasherI’m pretty sure you can Kara cancel specials off the dash cancel too
@@LucidButtonMasher5K aint plus normally, but dash cancel into options can be strong depending on the character
getting rid of the "why I oughtta" dust is a crime, other than that he looks sick
Yeah still waiting for his j.s and 6p myself
@@LucidButtonMasher You can see his j.s at 5:40, sadly it looks far less active than in Xrd and he doesn't say his iconic HOHOHO line. It's also less noticeable because he does less with his hands
Explanation for guard crush and universe counter hit
Guard crush: this is an effect that has extended blockstun. Unlike regular blockstun, it has no throw protection of any kind whereas any other blocked attack has 5 frames of throw protection. Additionally guard crush deactivates the affected player's input buffer for the duration of the effect thereby making abare defense and reversals much harder to do. What this means for slayer is that there is potentially a situation that exists where you can guarantee bloodsucking universe on your opponent however the situations where this is possible will likely be difficult to set up for
Universal counter hit: counter hit in strive exists in levels where certain attacks allow for higher level counter hit states than others. For example, Sol's 5K inflicts a smaller counter hit state than his 5H. What this means for slayer is that universal counter hit guarantees that slayer gets the maximum level counter hit state off of any attack he lands on the opponent while the buff state is active meaning he can in theory get a much higher level counter hit off of his 5P or 2K than he otherwise would without the buff
Levels of counter hit is wild, ok makes sense
@@LucidButtonMasher in addition to what this commenter said, if you catch someone in the end of guard crush blockstun who was doing anything other than blocking (and this includes if they block low and you do an overhead for example), it will show up as a black beat combo starting from the move that inflicted guard crush.
It's kinda a replacement for unblockables which have been all but entirely removed in Strive (for example, Johnny has guard crush instead of unblockables) as well as a way to enable true 50/50 strike throw mixups without fuzzy options as a possibility.
Guard crush doesn't guarantee a command grab except in cases where the grab works on airborne opponents (pot can get heavenly guaranteed if he has meter for it + RC heat knuckle on block for example). Otherwise you can just hold up to avoid the grab.
How could he use guard crush to guarantee a bsu? Guard crush gives a true strike/throw 50/50. There is no way in the game to guarantee a command throw (besides combos off of stagger).
I think the universe counter hit functions like a R.I.S.C. counter hit. Slayer combos off of uncharged dust (which sends the opponent straight up like a R.I.S.C. counter) using a universe counter hit, as well as attacks doing 30% extra damage. In the trailer, universe pile bunker actually out damages Super Mappa Hunch.
Nago is very high defense BTW when he isnt high on blood guage. That 100 meter super is going to do obscene damage. Haha
Chipp will cease to exist for getting hit by that super
so glad they brought back instakills. i missed them
apparently it does 427 damage to asuka based on how much it does to nago
@@lizabeth529 I take it that's without mana?
Hehehe funny matchup will be Even funnier now
One thing to note: in strive, rekkas cannot counter hit, so if slayer had under pressure, then it’s late would be unable to counter hit.
Damn that's a weird feature
Other people have said it but it really bears repeating that that super did 70% of the third most durable character in the game
Haha funny though
Slayer’s 6P was shown in the gameplay video. It seems like it is a lot faster, but it is just an elbow bash as opposed to slayer’s whole back. A fast 6p is honestly probably a lot better for strive, since you can’t low profile any of the reversals in this game, and if slayer’s 6p had the same startup as it did in previous games, it would make beating stuff like elphelt’s Rekka and Rekka resets impossible without meter. It is sad to see 6p go, but slayer is probably better of in strive with his new one.
Adapt and change with the times
btw DOT has been frame counted so far to be 14+0. Meaning it works potentially like burst DOT in xrd.
crossup memes lol
Regular dot even did that so I'm down
I've said in other videos that I know nothing about Slayer, and still applies. But, you're telling me It's late is that because you can confirm if you're late with it, and Under Pressure is to reset the pressure?! Absolute genius
Yessir. DAISUKE the genius
at 8:19 i have to agree with you, he looks extra thicc! lmao!! cant wait to see you try him man! hopefully his 6p is intact!
It's not sadly but that's ok
@@LucidButtonMasher its not? damn!!! that won't stop me from mashing 6p tho!
Super Mappa Hunch doesn’t have the coolness as the name that was Dead on Time
Agreed
I'm happy that he's mostly intact. I had a suspicion that they wouldn't put BDC in, so I'm glad it survives in some form. He's an interesting mix of EX and regular slayer. And that 100 tension super though!
Yeah pretty impressed about the transition
If Last Horizon is a strike attack, it means that it can be parried similar to Jack-O's command grab. I need to see it.
Parried by baiken and anji i suppose?
@@LucidButtonMasher yep
We need more characters with 100% tension overdrives. Makes things more interesting and they'd probably be sick asf
Take notes from Faust or bring back burst super
Best breakdown of the trailer ever. I’m so hyped for slayer it’s keeping me up at night bro.
Considering i was also up till 6am making this, same
The most important question still needs answering. Is 6p still undefeatable
Man I hope so. There will be a riot if Slayer's 6P is somehow worse than Testament's 6P.
They didn't even show 6p UNLESS they have and it's unrecognizable
@@LucidButtonMasher they better not have ruined the sacred button
I think they were hiding it on purpose lol
They changed the animation 🤢🤢🤢
Helter Skelter mix is back! While I am sad he can't BDC all his specials (at least based on the footage), I think the Hand of Doom is decent compromise for Strive. If he still has links, I'm hoping he'll have at least one like 2K/5K > 2D off fS because it staggers. Also RIP Footloose Journey, you will be missed.
Rip air super as well
My man lucid came faster than fb dandy step startup!
hola dandy +r king
@@mexicanchicken3377 Hello my friend! ❤
I'm a fb dandy enjoyer through and through
Ive been waiting for you to talk about this. I'm so glad to see gou cover this. I hope you watch the additional gameplay they have released recently.
I have seen. 6p is no longer
Oh wow I'm early. Timezones sure are something huh
Indeed. Nighty night
@@LucidButtonMasher good evening to you. Gonna have dinner soon
Breakfast now haha
You can see its late normally counter-hit on zato near the end of the video. You dont have to worry about the BIG counter-hits only off of bite
Good
Im glad they kept him quite similar
Aint no elphelt or testament
well he wasnt as bullshit as those two. he doesnt just put a pineapple on the screen that controls neutral nor does he leave hidden traps across the screen that you cannot see properly.
@@MokonaModokiES yeah those two needed a rework in order to actually be fair in Strive lmao
Having a blast with my girl Elphelt coming back tho
They prevented Slayer bs by limiting the pilebunkers in the corner
Just to say that they ended Up making It look just as cool as the older titles, and thats great
They did a bang up job
He probably builds a ton of meter (pilebunker is wall stick garanteed, cba move the video back to check dandy step), maybe why he gets a 100 meter super
Sure, the trade off being more hits in the corner before a break
I cant wait to see TODs for slayer on the cast that hopefully isnt named chipp
Millia at least
Just fyi in some newly released gameplay the haikus returned in his win animation :)
Thankfully
So many missing moves yet still a dandy badass
Surprised no air super
Okay the Last Horizon super goes extremely hard not gonna lie and i like that Slayer seems to be mostly intact and they did not completly change his moves unlike some other characthers in Strive.
I sadly have a feeling i wont be able to say the same thing about Raven if he returns to Strive but who knows.
I think Raven would be an interesting character to add to since he's mostly pretty standard besides his excitement gauge
Yeah Ravens excitement gauge would probably be reworked or replaced with something else and it would not suprise if his funky movement options would be changed as well. Though i still feel like he has the potential to be an extremely cool charachter in Strive.
@@shadowvincent8718 he would likely be changed. I love XRD Rev 2 Raven he is genuinely amazing and deep.
If they would rework Raven I hope they truly Mix his Guilty Gear 2 moveset and Rev 2 moveset into something cool and unique.
RIP the goofy ass 5D windmill punch though
Big rip
R.I.P.
Helter Skelter
2002 - 2024
I mean it's still kinda there just works differently
By the way, pilebunker does guardcrush even though its punishable, so off of RC you have the bite option.
Im curious if he'll have enough time to fast RC dandy mixup off of it as well, which would be absolutely dastardly.
Idk how that works so I'll believe you
He looks better than I expected, have to admit. Reinstalling Strive I guess.
If you missed it, Bloodsucking Universe buff doesn't go away on block any more either, seems like almost guaranteed reward on hit.
Probably just a time limit thing
In case you aren't familiar, Nagoriyuki is one of the characters with the most health in the game
Sure is
Are you sure that's not Potemkin? Or Anji? Especially Anji with the most defense in the game
Still waiting to see 6P
4:28 In Strive, if you get opened up during a guard crush it counts as a black beat combo.
Same
They are so close to make a "perfect" Strive Slayer but fate of BDC's is still in the air, so fraud watch ain't out. Also 6P changed 🙃
Bdc yeah but it's ok
I have the same feeling as i did as for Johnny in Xrd, "i like it.....but"
I think Johnny was worse off than slayer though in the transition
If the Guard Crush on Bunker is at least similar in length to the one on Danzai, you might be able to pull mix off using an FRC if they block it. Could be that's it's a fairly belligerent neutral option once you have 50 tension, assuming the reward on CH is something noteworthy. Especially if it's able to be spaced to be safe.
The catch is that 100% tension super makes you want to hold meter for the damage
It's a nice interesting dilemma
Yeah go for bdc or pilebunker but need meter to be safe, or dump it into a kill
Super Mappa Hunch seems like a pretty low damage super. It only takes Nago to just before the N in his name, and it is out damaged slightly by universe pilebunker, which takes Nago to halfway through the N. Still seems like a good move though, given that it is a fast, fullscreen, invincible attack. Just surprisingly low damage for a super.
Probably because of how fast it is. Might have to block before the flash like in previous games
I stopped playing strive a while ago, but as a slayer main from Xrd I definitely may boot this back up for him!
Same
is this a good time to start with guilty gear? i really like the vibe of this character i mean his blocking is just talk to his hand xD
Gg never been more popular so go for it
Wonder if Last Horizon is them testing a way to bring back IKs in some form as a more practical mechanic
Nah it's a super that could've been taking up a slot of another. I doubt they'll ever have iks back
@LucidButtonMasher True but if they were trying to experiment with them an open ended test wouldn't be a bad practical data collector.
I honestly wouldn't mind if this *was* the new form of IKs or burst supers.
Still. Valid point
I suppose. It would be tough if they decide to implement it then he's just down a super unless they give him a new one
@LucidButtonMasher yeah
This all of course is purely hypothetical on my end
And they could just decide to add instant kills as a mechanic in season 4 since apparently they *do* still want to use them
Every Close S is dash cancelable in Strive, but you go a special dash that you can't stop midway with most characters that way.
It'll be interesting to see
interested to see if he can dc kara to add momentum to mappa/dandy step
If you look at the most recent gameplay footage you see him do 6p briefly
Gotta search now
@@LucidButtonMasher It's a jab now, funny shoulder attack is no more 🥲
Please no
Imma still play but truly its tragic
I knew the S in Strive meant Slayer. Mf got every aggressive options in the game while being a Hydrogen Bomb.
Yessir. They did him good
Why figure out how strive works when you just have 6P?
I'm gonna be so hyped when you drop some 6P content!
OK BUT THEY NEVER SHOWED 6P I JUST REALIZED
2S vacuums btw
Plus r pot my beloved
Let's be real chipp is already ded before they get hit by last horizon
True
That palm strike during backdash is sorry replacement for BDC ESPICALLY as it is not safe. Really kills it for me
Doesn't surprise me though. They had to
@@LucidButtonMasher yeah but I wanted a better alternative than what we go tho
we didnt see his 6p
I know I'm scared for it
What's the music at 3:30 ?
Been wanting to listen to that for a while.
One dawn - dizzy theme from xrd. One of my favorites
@@LucidButtonMasheryou da best!
super mappa hunch?? wheres my Dead on Time????
Yeah sad they didn't just call it that
They.... they changed 6P!?
Sadly
@@LucidButtonMasher HOW COULD THEY?! IT WAS A NATIONAL TREASURE!
The funeral will be held shortly
@@LucidButtonMasher i... i dont think im ready *sob* *sob*
the Chipp TOD combos are just gonna be gold burst + last horizon
Ez confirm
You missed the close slash hitting in between the blocked Master's Hammer and the 2H, c.S comboed into 2H there
Looks like he has standard gatlings then
Yeah i figured that
I’m so fucking hyped
Who up piling they bunker rn
UNI counter hit 2k gonna go hard af, also I doubt his second super is jumpable because we see him do 2H into it
Confirming from 2h doesn't debunk that though. It depends on how fast it starts up when point blank after the super flash
I'm very surprised that he's still very much Slayer, might as well give it a shot.
Will do
I'm getting ready for the Chipp TOD
100 meter easiest tod
did you not see how plus that dandy into H is? bro that is plus 1 second
Lmao time stop activated
@@LucidButtonMasher pretty much it is insane imagine if it hits a blocking person in the air it would be mega plus
The dash cancel I think was a kara dandy step rather than a normal dash cancel. But yeah super excited can’t wait to play him
Don't think so since dandy isn't invisible
Early for the slayer party
Party been going all month
Pilebunker got nerfed visually, feels like a normal punch without its usual heavy train like weight hit letting of steam
We'll see. I think every move in strive getting an intense slow down with counter makes it hard to stand out
Jam next right guys 😭
I think it's a good chance honestly. Who else ya know
1:37 You can pinpoint the exact moment when Lucid realizes what the fuck he could do
Brain activate
Great animations
Agreed
People are gonna be having coniptions over that 2H hitbox, dear God.
It wasn't able to be cancelled from for a reason but here we are
Makes me wonder if his inclusion will change up the tournament scene. So we don't see the same high tiers winning or etc
Slayer late in xrd has been shaking things up so hopefully
@LucidButtonMasher hopefully so. Last I remembered watching tournaments it was just players using Nagoriyuki or HC
I’m disappointed how much they changed from characters like Elphelt, Johnny, and now Slayer. But oh well… I can always just play the old games too. I still love playing strive and can’t wait to see a big UNIVERSE on the screen when I punch my friends.
Yeah basically how i feel. Old games are always there
Arcsys making bdc a command normal is so wild to me, what are they smoking Imao 😂
Accessibility
They gave Slayer Potemkin AC+ and +R 2S!!!! I'M DONE!!!!
Pot plus r 2s my beloved
@@LucidButtonMasher No matter, I love both character so Vacuum 2S will teach these Strive player TRUE TERROR!!!!
wonder how he does against the Cube man himself
Get in or die just like justice
@@LucidButtonMasher But unlike justice, mappa hunch can break cubes
when gou get to learning strive, I can give you some advice/Knowledge fighting Asuka
Good to know
also 6h bounces against the wall, at least, when airborne.
Plus r 6h my beloved
Did you like what you saw?
A good amount yes
It's not Ragind Demon but Midnight Bliss
Especially for Sharon
Considering how bad some of the characters got gutted coming to Strive, it's good to see that Slayer kept at least most of his stuff.
elphelt...
Not quite Leo levels of resistance to Strivification, but a hell of a lot better than Johnny/Elphelt/Anji.
@@touhouenjoyerYou forgot the worst offenders,Ramlethal and Testament.
Poor Johnny
i didn't see a footloose journey maybe they forgot):
Yeah no air specials or supers. All grounded footsies i guess
Gonna be out of town when this drops, but I just wanted to jump in and say...
Called it.
Called which part
I consistently was begging for a multi wallbreak super... Last Horizon fills that role for me.
Also love him just forcing counters
Multi wall break?
Just wait til you get hands on 6p
BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT
As a strive baby, fighting slayer looks scary as fuck
Strive has been safe from him for too long
I love the last horizon move. Not only turns him into a raging Dandy. Also has cool animation and bouncing his opponent like cartoon character.
Fitting his goofy aesthetic
HE HAS THE LINKS
He do
links seem to still exist, just barely. they seem to only exist when trying to combo slash into 2k but perhaps I'm just delusional.
Id be down for that
if last horizon doesn't instakill chipp I will be very sad
I'm sure it will with a little risc
AWOOGA BOOGA PILEBUNKRRRRR
*U N I V E R S E* AL OVERHEAD
Awooga Sharon awooga
Where's 6P? Is he safe? Is he OK?
I DON'T KNOW 😭😭😭
now which moves will i be able to bust..
If it's like xrd, dandy step really
@@LucidButtonMasher thankyou
and i don't think if they showed if you can cancel dandy step into one of the follow ups earlier (i.e. k dandy and pilebunker when you're going back instead of only when he's going forward)
Nah he's probably gotta go can forward to do the follow up
Ha ha ha
*mashes potbuster*
He does look fun to play given he has a 4 way mix.
Probably make a lot of acr pot players mad for having a vacuum 2S into grab.
What a dream to have it