TIMESTAMPS: 00:30 - Definition of draw length 03:06 - Symptoms of being over-drawn 05:48 - Symptoms of being under-drawn 08:54 - Why your draw length can change 12:35 - How to find your draw length 15:43 - A tip about moving your clicker
I'm a new senior archer. My coach has not added a clicker to my bow yet. I do struggle with feeling like I'm arching my back at the conclusion of the shot. Additionally I struggle with getting my draw hand up against my jaw. I'm working on improving the range of motion in my draw shoulder hoping that will improve my form. I'm enjoying your videos, thank you!
Sounds great! Glad the videos are helpful :) try thinking about locating the draw hand against the neck, rather than up to the jaw, it can help get a better anchor position and prevent moving the head as you come to anchor :)
There are several ways to approach this, but from the descriptions you make, back arch at end, hard getting hand to anchor/jaw suggest to me that you might be overdrawn that is to say drawing too much weight for your conditioning and experience. Are you involved in a strength training program? Strength and flexibility training are foundational to athletic success. I'm not a pro. I simply speak from a life of experience. I am a 74 year old lifelong athlete currently invested in indoor rock climbing and archery. They'll probably be my principal involvements to the grave. I have been shooting with a purpose these past 10 months applying the understanding I gained over the first two years and it's working. I recently reached a 900 round scoring average that was the goal I set to justify getting a well-engineered bow as compared to the off-the-shelf I've been shooting. Have you met the 11 steps of the shot process? If you have, cool, there's your framework. If you haven't, you must. Now to UA-cam to find coaches who present that process in a manner that makes sense to you as you understand it presently. Now shoot some arrows! Have fun! There are prodigies but for most of us it takes consistent application.
Also, the 'pushing' of the bow arm can have some effect on draw length, which is the bane of my existence. Can u do a video on how much should the bow arm should 'push'?
Looking like I'm overdrawing while underdrawing is exactly what I've been having issues with this season, especially as I don't like shooting the lower spots at 18m because my position feels really unstable and forced. I noticed that I couldn't expand nicely because my right elbow didn't come around enough and I was using my biceps to force the clicker. Lots of clicker play and concentration later I'm finally able to get to a proper full draw again and expand nicely through the clicker if I don't let my bow shoulder come up. Sidenote: I'm definitely still somewhat overbowed but I'm working on it.
Thank you very much, I will pay more attention to this, besides, I didn’t know that at different distances, due to the angle, the tension can change to me, my trainer says that what you do at 3 meters is ideal, but you have to transfer everything to a distance (60 meters) which, unfortunately doesn't come out very well
I’d like to hear more about the ways to compensate for the difference in form on longer distances. I shoot with the same form up to 50m, but after that I have to tilt the body. It’s hard to do it consistently though.
Hello, normally your draw length does not change. It is your movement that changes, the further you draw the more you raise the bow arm but you do not lower the string arm as much, the two arms are no longer in the same alignment, which is normally not the right method. Normally the T posture must be kept, so the same draw length... This is my coach's way of seeing it and I have to say it works, so no change in reach and clicker position.
I don't move my clicker for different distances. After this video, I think I'm underdrawn, I'll go and check my clicker position again and also do that thing which you said. Besides I'm struggling with my anchor. Recently I'm touching the arrow with my index finger and it really hurts my finger. I've tried many things like squeezing the finger spacer before placing my fingers on the string or tried to place my finger upwards. I read the related part in coach Lee's book as well. And I noticed one day is happening the other day is not. I want to ask you coach, what's wrong about my index finger :)
It is hard to say without seeing it, but if those techniques didn't work, it could be because your finger strength is not good enough and you are sliding too much. It could also be because of the tab shape/leather cut away. But see about your finger strength first. Here are some exercises to consider regarding finger strength: www.onlinearcheryacademy.com/importance-grip-strength-recurve-archery-2/
@@OnlineArcheryAcademy Definitely it can be related to finger strength. Many times I felt like the string is sliding while I'm anchoring. I just read the link you shared. It's really helpful, I'll do that drills. Thank you so much :)
I move the clicker because I use diferent lenght arrows from 18m to 70m. Sometimes I move the clicker with the same arrows/distance. Usually that hapens in more cold or hot days. Any comment?
Ideally you shouldn’t have to change based on temperature - I would make sure you’re properly warmed up each day. The colder it is the more thoroughly you need to warm up beforehand. When it’s a hot day you might need only a small amount of jogging, but when it’s really cold you might need as much as 10min before you then do the rest of your warm up :)
As the limbs poundage is measured at 28" draw length. Where do I measure the 28" from? From throat of the grip or front of the riser? I get different information in different place.
@meazy451 I guess you did not understood what I meant by masters archer, but I don't mind explaining, I am a masters archer in terms of age, I am 64, I shoot 60 meters in our national's championship and I was 4 times national champion in the last 7 years before covid. For any reason I never moved the clicker when changing from 18 meters to 60 meters, but that's OK, you will remind me next time. Cheers!
@meazy451 Last call, because I don't want to waste time with someone, trust me, that again does not understand, or don't want to understand. WA rules divides archers by age, cadet (women, men) up to age 17 , junior ( womem, men) up to age 20 , seniors (women, men), and masters or veterans (women, man) aged 50 or more. So, I am a master or veteran archer shooting 60 meters in my country outdoor championship, and shooting 18 meters in the indoor championship. Again, for any reason, I never thought of moving the clicker when changing from 18 meters shooting to 60 meters shooting. If this is such a big issue for you, so be it. Get lost and don't waste my time. Cheers!
That's a good question! I don't know is the honest answer, but if I had to make a guess I'd say a longer draw length would have a higher arrow speed providing everything else is the same.
@@OnlineArcheryAcademy Basic physics says you're correct. Energy available to accelerate the arrow+string+limbs is the integral of force-of-draw over draw distance (or, if you prefer geometry, the area under the curve of draw weight plotted against draw distance). Adding an increment to that draw distance will increase the energy, and that will almost always increase the kinetic energy of the arrow as it leaves the bow. With arrow mass unchanged, that means more velocity.
You say the angle changes based on what distance you shoot. But by right, shouldnt there be no change in draw length? Where are we pivoting, at the hip or at the shoulder?
With target I would say that we tend to tilt at the shoulder but in field we tend to use the T draw and tilt from the hips as the variation is often far greater.
So for target most of the angle change should be from moving the arm, as the angle isn't too large and it allows better posture and to keep the feeling of the technique. But as Roger says, in field it's more necessary :)
@@OnlineArcheryAcademy I had a seminar with him last september and he advised me not to do so. I´m excited to hear about your chat with him concerning this topic.
I like the way the information/coaching is presented but the title of this video doesnt match the content, particularly if you are just learning about archery and want to know how to measure your draw length
You won't need a clicker yet in that case :) I'd definitely suggest registering at the soonest beginners course if you're new to the sport and haven't shot before, as there are a few safety aspects that are really important to make sure you shoot safely. In terms of finding draw length, this exercise is something good to begin with. www.esdf.org/draw-length I know joining a course at a club is unlikely with current restrictions though. I've recently also made a comprehensive beginners course on my website. courses.onlinearcheryacademy.com That might be a good starting point for you, and then when clubs reopen I would suggest taking an in-person course too :)
With the site down, the angle of our body gets change. If we fall back a little bit, our draw length will remain. Then we don't have to push the clicker back or forward. Suggestion....
For target, it's generally better to try and maintain the posture and move the arm more :) For large angles (perhaps 90m with a light bow or in field) then some movement of the body angle can help :)
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As im ready to buy my first bow as soon as i know what a clicker is ill tell you if i needed to move the clicker
TIMESTAMPS:
00:30 - Definition of draw length
03:06 - Symptoms of being over-drawn
05:48 - Symptoms of being under-drawn
08:54 - Why your draw length can change
12:35 - How to find your draw length
15:43 - A tip about moving your clicker
Too much blah blah and no useful info waste of time and I watched 2 of your videos and still don’t know which bow size I should buy !!
I’ve never moved my clicker for different distances. I must say Ashe this is one of the most informative videos I’ve ever seen.
Ooh, maybe give it a try just by a few mm at longer distance :) Thanks, I appreciate it :)
The one with the distance-depending clicker position was new for me. Thanks.
Awesome! Glad you found it helpful!
I'm a new senior archer. My coach has not added a clicker to my bow yet. I do struggle with feeling like I'm arching my back at the conclusion of the shot. Additionally I struggle with getting my draw hand up against my jaw. I'm working on improving the range of motion in my draw shoulder hoping that will improve my form. I'm enjoying your videos, thank you!
Sounds great! Glad the videos are helpful :) try thinking about locating the draw hand against the neck, rather than up to the jaw, it can help get a better anchor position and prevent moving the head as you come to anchor :)
There are several ways to approach this, but from the descriptions you make, back arch at end, hard getting hand to anchor/jaw suggest to me that you might be overdrawn that is to say drawing too much weight for your conditioning and experience.
Are you involved in a strength training program? Strength and flexibility training are foundational to athletic success.
I'm not a pro. I simply speak from a life of experience. I am a 74 year old lifelong athlete currently invested in indoor rock climbing and archery. They'll probably be my principal involvements to the grave.
I have been shooting with a purpose these past 10 months applying the understanding I gained over the first two years and it's working. I recently reached a 900 round scoring average that was the goal I set to justify getting a well-engineered bow as compared to the off-the-shelf I've been shooting.
Have you met the 11 steps of the shot process? If you have, cool, there's your framework. If you haven't, you must.
Now to UA-cam to find coaches who present that process in a manner that makes sense to you as you understand it presently. Now shoot some arrows! Have fun! There are prodigies but for most of us it takes consistent application.
I just measured my draw length Ashe. I expect to shoot my 1st 300 tomorrow 🙃😂
Also, the 'pushing' of the bow arm can have some effect on draw length, which is the bane of my existence. Can u do a video on how much should the bow arm should 'push'?
I guess I'm a bit slow to reply, but there is a bow shoulder video now that should help with this - you may have seen it already....
Looking like I'm overdrawing while underdrawing is exactly what I've been having issues with this season, especially as I don't like shooting the lower spots at 18m because my position feels really unstable and forced.
I noticed that I couldn't expand nicely because my right elbow didn't come around enough and I was using my biceps to force the clicker. Lots of clicker play and concentration later I'm finally able to get to a proper full draw again and expand nicely through the clicker if I don't let my bow shoulder come up.
Sidenote: I'm definitely still somewhat overbowed but I'm working on it.
Awesome, sound like great progress! Glad the videos can help out :)
Thank you very much, I will pay more attention to this, besides, I didn’t know that at different distances, due to the angle, the tension can change to me, my trainer says that what you do at 3 meters is ideal, but you have to transfer everything to a distance (60 meters) which, unfortunately doesn't come out very well
Could you explain the relationship between bow length and draw length?
Good to know that I can actually move the clicker between distances!
Absolutely :) Normally only a small amount but for sure!
Doing both trad and Olympic style, I always try to keep the same draw length and tilt back for different distance
And after watching the video I'm thinking of checking my longer distance shoot processes
your video helps alot, I am pretty sure i am underdrawing now. thank you
I’d like to hear more about the ways to compensate for the difference in form on longer distances. I shoot with the same form up to 50m, but after that I have to tilt the body. It’s hard to do it consistently though.
I'll add it to the future video list :)
Online Archery Academy fantastic. Thanks !!!
Hello, normally your draw length does not change. It is your movement that changes, the further you draw the more you raise the bow arm but you do not lower the string arm as much, the two arms are no longer in the same alignment, which is normally not the right method. Normally the T posture must be kept, so the same draw length...
This is my coach's way of seeing it and I have to say it works, so no change in reach and clicker position.
Yes, I do move the clicker between distances.
I don't move my clicker for different distances. After this video, I think I'm underdrawn, I'll go and check my clicker position again and also do that thing which you said. Besides I'm struggling with my anchor. Recently I'm touching the arrow with my index finger and it really hurts my finger. I've tried many things like squeezing the finger spacer before placing my fingers on the string or tried to place my finger upwards. I read the related part in coach Lee's book as well. And I noticed one day is happening the other day is not. I want to ask you coach, what's wrong about my index finger :)
It is hard to say without seeing it, but if those techniques didn't work, it could be because your finger strength is not good enough and you are sliding too much. It could also be because of the tab shape/leather cut away. But see about your finger strength first.
Here are some exercises to consider regarding finger strength: www.onlinearcheryacademy.com/importance-grip-strength-recurve-archery-2/
@@OnlineArcheryAcademy Definitely it can be related to finger strength. Many times I felt like the string is sliding while I'm anchoring. I just read the link you shared. It's really helpful, I'll do that drills. Thank you so much :)
I do not use a clicker. currently shooting barebow 35 lb 62 inch southwest tigershark . When would you add a clicker?
Well...for Barebow you can't use a clicker, so you could add it in training but can't use it in competition...
I have different clicker settings for each ranges.
Clever!
I move the clicker because I use diferent lenght arrows from 18m to 70m. Sometimes I move the clicker with the same arrows/distance. Usually that hapens in more cold or hot days. Any comment?
Ideally you shouldn’t have to change based on temperature - I would make sure you’re properly warmed up each day. The colder it is the more thoroughly you need to warm up beforehand. When it’s a hot day you might need only a small amount of jogging, but when it’s really cold you might need as much as 10min before you then do the rest of your warm up :)
As the limbs poundage is measured at 28" draw length. Where do I measure the 28" from? From throat of the grip or front of the riser? I get different information in different place.
I've never thaught of changing the clicker with distances, but it is a clever tip. I´ll try it next time I shoot 60 m distance (I´m a masters archer).
If you've never thought of something, trust me, you're not a master
@meazy451 I guess you did not understood what I meant by masters archer, but I don't mind explaining, I am a masters archer in terms of age, I am 64, I shoot 60 meters in our national's championship and I was 4 times national champion in the last 7 years before covid. For any reason I never moved the clicker when changing from 18 meters to 60 meters, but that's OK, you will remind me next time. Cheers!
@@paulocastro9293 you don't get to be a master archer by age lmao. I bet you love participation trophies too.
@meazy451 Last call, because I don't want to waste time with someone, trust me, that again does not understand, or don't want to understand. WA rules divides archers by age, cadet (women, men) up to age 17 , junior ( womem, men) up to age 20 , seniors (women, men), and masters or veterans (women, man) aged 50 or more. So, I am a master or veteran archer shooting 60 meters in my country outdoor championship, and shooting 18 meters in the indoor championship. Again, for any reason, I never thought of moving the clicker when changing from 18 meters shooting to 60 meters shooting. If this is such a big issue for you, so be it. Get lost and don't waste my time. Cheers!
@@paulocastro9293 LOL
Clicker stays in same place always (unless I’m changing arrows, I’ve been shooting over length X23s indoor and X10s outdoor)
Awesome - haha yeah definitely move it for different arrows!
A question: do you think a longer drawlength will give a higher arrowspeed for the same boweight (on the fingers)?
That's a good question! I don't know is the honest answer, but if I had to make a guess I'd say a longer draw length would have a higher arrow speed providing everything else is the same.
@@OnlineArcheryAcademy Basic physics says you're correct. Energy available to accelerate the arrow+string+limbs is the integral of force-of-draw over draw distance (or, if you prefer geometry, the area under the curve of draw weight plotted against draw distance). Adding an increment to that draw distance will increase the energy, and that will almost always increase the kinetic energy of the arrow as it leaves the bow. With arrow mass unchanged, that means more velocity.
You say the angle changes based on what distance you shoot. But by right, shouldnt there be no change in draw length? Where are we pivoting, at the hip or at the shoulder?
With target I would say that we tend to tilt at the shoulder but in field we tend to use the T draw and tilt from the hips as the variation is often far greater.
So for target most of the angle change should be from moving the arm, as the angle isn't too large and it allows better posture and to keep the feeling of the technique. But as Roger says, in field it's more necessary :)
I don’t understand what do you mean by overdraw and underdraw is it not enough to get string on my face
Yes I have moved my clicker as distances change.
Nice! It does help :)
Does the tuning change after moving clicker 2 to 3 mm ?
Technically yes, but only a very small amount :)
Very nice
Thanks!
I rarely move My clicker with changing distances. I did it once at 70 meters
Yup! I have three positions on my clicker. Short/Medium/long. My three sets of arrows have 1/4" differences.
I move my klicker 5mm forward moving form 18m zu 70m. However Oliver Haidn recommends not to do.
Interesting! I'll have to chat to Oliver next time I'd see him, I'd love to hear his thoughts on it!
@@OnlineArcheryAcademy I had a seminar with him last september and he advised me not to do so. I´m excited to hear about your chat with him concerning this topic.
Plz make short video
Normally I move my sight from 15 to 20 mtrs
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Yes, betweeen 70m/30m/18m
I'm the same :)
I do not move the clickef
Why do we need to add 1.75"
So the arrow can sit on the rest without any fear of falling off
I like the way the information/coaching is presented but the title of this video doesnt match the content, particularly if you are just learning about archery and want to know how to measure your draw length
I have no arrows. I received a bow as a gift. What length of arrows do I buy? And what the hell is a clicker??
You won't need a clicker yet in that case :) I'd definitely suggest registering at the soonest beginners course if you're new to the sport and haven't shot before, as there are a few safety aspects that are really important to make sure you shoot safely. In terms of finding draw length, this exercise is something good to begin with.
www.esdf.org/draw-length
I know joining a course at a club is unlikely with current restrictions though. I've recently also made a comprehensive beginners course on my website.
courses.onlinearcheryacademy.com
That might be a good starting point for you, and then when clubs reopen I would suggest taking an in-person course too :)
I don't know what a clicker is. I'm trying to get my draw length so I can purchase arrows and a bow
guess he understands the body is a bow too
With the site down, the angle of our body gets change.
If we fall back a little bit, our draw length will remain.
Then we don't have to push the clicker back or forward.
Suggestion....
For target, it's generally better to try and maintain the posture and move the arm more :) For large angles (perhaps 90m with a light bow or in field) then some movement of the body angle can help :)
Only moved my clicker as my draw length grew between new arrow purchases
Fair point!
I don’t change my clicker position on different distances
Thanks for sharing :)
I don’t move my clicker.
I don't have a clicker yet!
very nice
Thanks Maharshi!