Mouse is crazy. I don’t love Eminem albums like that but I’m not gonna act like he’s not one of the best to rap on a microphone. Even the top rappers hold him high
But they're trying to deem him the God of rap. No one is questioning his rapping ability, but tell me something.....How many people do you know that says Redman is God of rap? How many top 10 list has Redman on it? He's not doing anything different, yet he has sold the most records, before him it was vanilla ice, before him it was the beastie boys. There's always been a white face at the top of hip-hop since it became mainstream in late 80s. Prove me wrong.
@@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 this is opinionated. If a bunch of people claim MF Doom is the God of Rap why would that be an issue? It should never have anything to do with race. Most of these people are not attracted the type of rap Mouse and people like you may be interested in but the fact that mouse can take more of an offense to white rappers rather than black rappers that disrespect thw artform everyday is more disgusting and more of an indication of being "to comfortable in rap" than any white rapper. Their are no limited number of spaces in rap and Mouses claim that black people can't be racist is clear proof of how much of a moron he is. He just heard some black guy who sounds smart say this shyt and didn't question it at all because the conclusion makes him comfortable.
99% of the illest emcees (500-1000 known and underground + battlers etc) ever on record saying Em one of the nicest ever and 90% of those emcees are not white!
@@superdopehiphop I'm getting tired of hearing this narrative... To openly say your not feeling him at the time was to openly cut your self out of white America's sales you committed career suicide going against him not because of his skill level but the amount of money behind him dre and 50 backing him and his skin color. Rappers gave PC answers to those questions to not lose the white fan base, I take those statements and interviews with a grain of salt
Are black people too comfortable in basket ball? James Naismith created basket ball and is white. Everyone keeps saying Jordan is the GOAT but he is a guest and can't be according to who created it. Must be Larry Bird.
"We are prejudice... but that's not racism" *Looks up the definition of racism* Racism: The Oxford Dictionary defines it as, "Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."
They tried to weasel out of it by bringing in economics lol. The definition is there for a reason. Black people can and have been racist. Someone from every race has been racist towards another, it exists and will always exist. Case in point, Mouse.
@@lochofmceo Looks more like a convenient excuse to normalize acceptance for hateful toxicity so that you can abandon all responsibility for being that kind of a person while everyone pats you on the back for taking on other people who are the same kind of racist scum bags you are to begin with. You can change the socially accepted perception of the definition all you want, but at the end of the day, you and every other racist are internally the same kind of people in actual objective reality...and objective reality in its solitude doesn't care about your subjective view or spin on the matter.
@@lochofmceo My history as a Puerto Rican gives me the right to "feel a way" about both white and blacks. Do I hate them? no... your ancestors were enslaved for what? 200 years? mine were enslaved for almost 500 years. Do I hate them? no! I judge people by their character not their skin tone and you should too. It will make you a better person.
Makes no sense ...They said you have to have power to be racist...How does a poor white person living next to a poor black person have more power....🤦♂️
Comparing black people talking shit to centuries of institutionalized systemic white supremacy is asinine to say the least. Let's not conflate mean words and isolated instances to state sanctioned anti-black legislation and societal traditions. Smh
@@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 How the fuck you gonna say Mouse is part of the culture? But won't say Em is? Em has done more for the culture than a 1000 Mouse's, over a 1000 years ever will.
America will never overcome the racist issue even in next 20 years....its the only country where i have seen people being called as white black yellow brown.................only sound exaggerated but its how it is...................even public figures debate on topics like this ...........its sad
Yep, been saying it for years here in the US, but you guessed it...I'm racist if I suggest moving on is the only answer instead of dissecting every little microscopic subgroup of humans and behaviors into categories, etc.
@@Black_Jus202 not only black ppl have faced oppression i am indian we got history with British.........koreans got history with their other self and japan but Americans even in 2020 is having those issues
@@Black_Jus202 British and french, germany, all had their colonies and they have a large group of black, asian and other people in their countries, yet nobody gives a shit and nobody is making such a huge fucking deal about it. Sure theres racism everywhere but me coming from europe I can agree that I have yet to see another country like the US who keep on having this name calling, angry disputes and just cannot move past it
@@fuzekle Your not qualified to speak on American issues. I'm not replying to non Americans you have no idea what you are speaking of we don't care what yall do overseas where the black population isn't even close to what it is here
They can't say shit to Eminem because they know he's as good as MC's get. Instead, they attack how other people see him. To what fucking point? Going "no, no you can't have that opinion because i don't like it" Hahaha nothing can change how people in hip hop actually think of Eminem and your single opinion, making it as whiney as it can be doesn't do shit or extend to other people. Everyone who already opposes it opposes you even more, and only galvanizes the people who ALREADY agree with you.
@@lochofmceo Okay, and you're okay with sharing the same kind of internal racism that people like KKK and neo nazi's have? You still lose and are a loser because your insides are the same in that regard, you can't hide from it just because progressive society gives you a pass, you're still as worthless for being the kinda person in your heart and head as any white supremacist. Thoughts and intention matter to who you are as a person, even if you don't know your maker is listening. What you feel and carry for other people is still who you are and you can't get by making excuses for yourself or exempting yourself from being just as evil as other groups of people that speak with the same words out of your mouth that they do about you.
@@lochofmceo More selfishness as usual, your maker isn't obligated to save you from horrible experiences. This whole world is a witness to what people do and act like when they are left to their own devices. To force action is to create robotic puppets, we have free will...so our authentication process must play out untouched, otherwise our actions aren't genuine. Just because you weren't saved from slavery doesn't mean he wasn't there, it means the day of reckoning will not be a good time for those who perpetrate such things when all has been completed in the world, and we are not there yet.
When someone says all Eminem raps about is killing his mother.. I stop listening to their argument cuz you know they never actually listened to Eminem.
@@korruptnovellst4751 Eminem raps about things that are relatable other than what you trying to make his songs out to be like here: 1. Drugs, Prescription or Powder 2. About baby mama drama 3. Cheating & Trifling partner/wife 4. His love for his kids 5. Growing up in a abusive environment 6. Growing up in the hood 7. Sex and Hoes 8. The Government, George Bush, Dick Cheney & wife, Al Gore & wife, Bill Clinton, Trump & Family about policies that affect you as an American 9. Guns and weapons of mass destruction 10. Betrayal & backstabbing 11. Chopping up bitches, killing your mama and phoofie the dog, okay that is crazy shit but lets be for real your parents piss you off so much you wish something happen to them that is why he said it 12. Motivational songs to pick yourself up and maximize your potential, to never give up 13. About being mistreated like shit growing up in the hood cos he white 14. Rapping about being broke are poor 15. Being bullied in school 16. Toxic relationship 17. Honoring the pioneers of rap/Hip-Hop music Have you even try hearing songs from him like Rock Bottom, If I Had, Say Goodbye, Role Model, Who knew, Beautiful, Careful What You Wish For, Difficult, Headlights, Cleaning Out My Closet, Bad Husband, In Your Head, Castle, Arose, Stepping Stones, Like Toy Soldiers, Sing For The Moment, White America, We As Americans, Mosh and the list goes so how about you try to listen to Eminem but other than that shut up if you don't know what you talking about 🤦🏿♂️
Did I miss something ? When did Mouse jones got elected as President of the hip hop culture ? Can’t believe what I’m hearing right now. Some real important figures of hip hop should step in that small minded and one sided debate and stop this before they spread their hate and affect the culture for real.
Jay Z said in a interview when asked if he would be where he was at if biggie and pac was alive. And he said something to the affect that yea he really couldn't be stop. And that thinking someone is in your way because of any reason is a losers mentality.
It’s amazing how a rapper like Em who lives and breathes hip hop and is a student of the game that paid his dues and continues to do his thing gets disrespected because he’s white and then you have a rapper like Game who clearly had no interest in hip hop until after he got shot up when he was 21 and then gets rappers tatted on him and all of a sudden buys the old classic conventional albums to “study” from and it resulted him as a good rapper but a lost soul that constantly name drops and beefs to get noticed. Game is literally the definition of a gangsta rapper starter kit and yet no one has a problem with that, but Em has to be removed. That’s gotta be the funniest shit I’ve ever heard.
@@GlobalEnigma64 I just hate how divided everyone is. It’s why the world is still trying to push forward but keep ending up 2 steps behind. Even when it comes to prejudice not all white people hate black people and not all black people hate white people, man I’m just blessed and privileged enough to grow up in a multi cultural family to not see color as a defining trait
@a little bit of everything you know that part disturbed me because he says “that space can go to a young black rapper” and with all due respect some of these “young black rappers” unfortunately haven’t even made it during their 20s because they’re getting killed during their rise or peak in stardom. R.I.P to Juice Wrld, Pop Smoke and King Von who were all rising in their spots and creating their lanes and having their own SPACE that was taken because they died and not because of no damn Eminem. Mouse said some real ignorant stupid shit right there.
When you look up the definition of racism, the 1st word that pops up is prejudice. "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another. As black ppl in America we don't have the power to implement systemic racism. But anybody can be racist.
Mickey Mouse don't know a god damn thing. He says he listened to SSLP and MMLP and says he can only rap fast and have shock value. The Way I Am? Rock Bottom? Kill You? Criminal? Guilty Conscience? Stan? I dont even feel like I have to keep listing songs. All those song showcase incredible lyricism and great subject matters. Especially Rock Bottom, Guilty Conscience, and Stan. Kill You and Criminal is just lyricism and shock value. Kill You had that incredible alliteration. They say they know what they're talking about but they really don't. I saw someone hating and act like they know who Em is, but didn't even know he had songs with Wayne. That literally says it all.
@@MrSmolCrocs Exactly. I could've kept listing but I seriously doubt I needed to. I also only named SSLP and MMLP songs since apparently Mickey Mouse said he listened to those. I seriously doubt it.
Want racism to end? Don't think like Mouse or King Los or anybody in this room other than Van Lathan. Rap shouldn't divide us. Eminem got me into rap which led me to listen to all thr black rappers I listen to now. So Eminem graced me with hip hop which is why Em deserves a room in the house of hip hop. I am a young black man that doesn't know a lot of hip.hop culture but ik it shouldn't belong to anyone.
Growing up in the hip hop Mecca, I’ve seen White people doing street art, dancing, deejays, the whole nine. But once they sell more, get mainstream media attention, some Blacks want them gone. Shits crazy. On top of that, can we stop talking about the “killing your mother” music to define Eminem. He’s got 20+ years of content and the haters run back to 2 or 3 songs. Ridiculous
The raps about his daughter and depression, shots at pop music culture and other celebrities, hip-hop easter eggs and comedic energy get ignored with Eminem.
@@Power-9Hunnid Add to that, the technical rhyme schemes & punchlines within punchlines that some people still don't catch. Dude's got party tracks worthy of the club, gangster music and pop hits. Nah, they need to leave him alone.
I’m from the boogie down Bronx and what u are saying is bullshit’ black folk and some Spanish folk are the primordial ppl that are creating within hip hop
The fact that they wanted to discredit what the PIONEERS told him what it was made fir tells you everything you need to know. They mold the conversation to fit their own beliefs and what they want. Smh
Nah, cause they expand their bullshit concept to even include poor white people because even if you are dirt poor "the black experience is worse and you're still benefiting from a privilege 'we' don't have." So, even in that scenario, white people still "have it better." Even if objectively some white dude had a way rougher and less privileged life than a black person did, they'll just dismiss that. This is how crazy the left has gotten. I hate to bring politics into this...but these social concepts we are speaking of is exclusively democratic/liberal in nature and origin or "progressive." Enjoy society!
People saying Eminem is too comfortable? He's the biggest music icon alive, not just hip hop music today period, with all this mumble shit floating up from people who subsitute talent with face tats, autotune, and ghostwriters and the realist relavent hip hop artist right now is a 47 year old white guy.... that alone should open people's eyes to the sorry state of hip hop... Ems been among the top lyricists since he debuted. Em got the "Hell Yeah" from Dre, he should feel comfortable in hip hop he was invited by a legend of an O.G and Ems been keeping real lyricism alive for 25 years and has helped build and grow hip hop as an art form and keep in it alive while the newer generation hasn't...(excluding Joyner) he's earned his place and the respect of almost all the O.Gs of hip hop and it wouldnt be what it is without him, facts.... so who cares what some young buck, No talent hacks, chasing paper with no respect for the art mumble rappers think frfrf....
@@traycooksjr8220 because it has nothing to do with anything but race hence being racist he don’t care about Eminem or any other white rapper he says they should remove them from hip hop like he’s someone of importance how would he feel if white people or anyone but black people could buy hip hop music how quick it would fail
Mouse is no gate keeper, fam thinks by virtue of the fact that he's black he's entitled some ownership of the culture, nope. That gate keeper status is reserved for those that add/contribute to the culture, for everybody else admission is free... Rap is a genre/form of music belonging for the most part to Hip-Hop which is itself a culture and lifestyle devoid of a price tag... a way of life with a price is a fad. An if it has no price, it can never truly be brought/sold, therefore it can never truly be owned solely by anyone but rather collectively by everybody that wishes to contribute/participate. Question: if a graffiti writer bombs a wall or does a memorial piece for a fallen rapper, is it never truly Hip-Hop until we determine the writer's race?
From where Apathy's argument is based, I think that valididates something that has been core 2 Hip Hop from it’s inception which can be summed up in a variant of a simple and ubiquitous adage: "You can take white ppl out of Hip Hop but u can't take Hip Hop out of a white person." Culture can't be based around color because culture is composed of principles, philosophies, customs and traditions. What color is authenticity? What color is technique? What color is knowledge? What color is break dancing? What color is struggle and oppression? What color is revolution? What color is passion? What color is MCing? What color is cadence? What color is slang and dialect? What color is a bop?
Sad these people even have the stage. It’s embarrassing black people everywhere bc these bad apples. Anyone can be racist and these people, mainly mouse is racist
If you notice, most of the people saying this shit are a bunch of nobodies. They are bitter and the idea that Eminem is "taking up space" when there are tons of successful black rappers that young white kids today run to over Eminem because they consider him "old school" is proof that this is bullshit. It also shows us that these dudes are bitter that they ain't shit in their careers at that level so we gotta blame someone that isn't "one of them."
@@954buggy Rakim just a OG who doesn't wanna come off as a hater tbh get Rakim in like a podcast like Drink champs and see if he got the same answer 8 shots later 😂😂 Nas is a Rakim 2.0 Em he just a really good rapper raps a whole bunch of nothings for the most part Nas is a MC he connects in a different way and makes songs like a perspective of a fucking Gun as if it was a real person and paints the picture so well you'll feel like you was there....
Hey I'm not rscist because look I just changed the definition racist. Ta Da! So you created the culture, hold the vast majority of spots in the culture but you still don't have enough power to be racist within the confines of hip hop. Make sure you stretch before attempting this Olympic level mental gymnastics. Stop carry water for a victim culture.
Mouse's beef should be more with the institutions than the artists who participate. Those are 2 different classes of ppl with 2 completely different motivations and agendas. An Eminem is more likely 2 be an ally 4 what Mouse takes issue with than an adversary.
People have been fighting against segregation and now some of these people (especially Mouse) want to segregate hip hop. Of course it was created by black people. That can be acknowledged and has to be respected, but does that mean only people with a certain skin color can be a part of it? Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone. Get rid of your iPhone or Samsung phone or whatever you have on you then, if that’s how you decide who can be a part of what.
I still don't understand the "taking up space" part considering a lot of artist stay underground because they're not given their fair shake in the game....
Everyone is racist what ever race you are there is always a race you go against but some of us repect the invisible line that we shouldnt cross but to say you cant be racist is basically saying you are.
Should black people be allowed in the nba, should black people be allowed in the NFL, should black people be allowed to play in the English premier league soccer, should black people be allowed to be philosophers, should black people be allowed to play classical music, should black people be allowed to compete in the Olympics, yes they should and so should every other race, it doesn't matter who created what, everyone should be allowed in it regardless of race, sex or anything else... black, white, asain, we all people, this shit is so wack. It doesn't matter what race you are, being racist is possible and it's not okay. Saying it's impossible for black people to he racist is racist within itself. This conversation is completely illogical some of these blokes are the definition of racist.
I feel like that comments on racism and black people not being able to be racist was false. when it comes to this subject matter and mainly this subject matter only, black ppls words and opinions on hip hop have more weight than any other race.That can be seen as power over other people. If all these years have taught us anything it's that racial privilege is easily overlooked, whether black white hispanic or Asian
This rhetoric is so annoying. and it’s never actually about the music. They can’t even see their own racism. Like STFU and stop Gatekeeping the culture. If you don’t like a artist don’t listen to them, but to say someone shouldn’t belong in a genre because of race? Like really, y’all grown men. Get of the couch, get a job or and go record a song.
I don't get it.Its like saying lewis Hamilton is taking up space to clear up young white kids to have a chance to succeed and being world champion.Now by me saying this is racist or prejudice? Looking forward to someone can reply..If we all want equality then this is not the way it will always be separation .saying white people don't understand about racism is rubbish.I understand more than what all you do about racism.
I hate this whole topic of White people in hip-hop. Basketball was created by white people, does that make POC guests in basketball? does that mean Kobe, Jordan, and Lebron cant be considered 3 of the best to ever step foot on a basketball court? No. They proved they are 3 of the best by putting in the work and being 3 of the best to ever step foot on a basketball court. Should we not consider them basketball players since it was a sport created by white people like Apathy cant consider himself hip-hop because hes white? Is Jordan a culture vulture because he played baseball too? Is Bo Jackson a culture vulture because he played football and baseball? does that take away from how good they were at both sports? smh...
I would love to have them listen to white people talk about black people the way they do white people. Could you imagine a white person saying some of these things about black people ? They would freak out. It's so hypocritical. Mouse is straight up racist.. I never really heard of rascism against white till I started listening to these conversations.. some of them are saying insane hella racist hateful shit. I Love the people on here who are speaking up saying hip hop is for everyone. That's the kind of thinking that bring us closer and shows progression.. focussing on this stupid topic is rascist pretty much and does nothing but get people upset and it just divides everyone and spreads hate.
Why do ppl act like anything Mouse says has any credence? He’s an actual clown who literally said he hasn’t listened to Em. He said “Em has never said something ILL.” yet you can tell he’s never listened to something like that. 99% of ALL the ILL emcees revere Em as one of the illest nicest GOAT lyricist but I’m supposed to care what Mouse Jones says? 🤣
He meant if in 2021 white people decided you know what blacks are no longer allowed to join sports. Just because someone is white you going to hold them accountable for what their ancestors did? People who thought witch craft was real? Lol
@@justgamerz5315 facts. I wanted someone to bring up basketball so bad. I would have wrecked everyone arguing with the basketball analogy frfr. It was invented by white people and nobody says, MJ/Lebron/ Kobe cant be the goat because it isn't they culture. It's an inane fucking argument.
A year later and Mouse is still the most racist person I've ever had the displeasure of listening to. I honestly don't know how someone so hateful and ignorant can be allowed on any type of platform. I'm thankful for people like Stevie Knight. Gives me some kinda hope for humanity.
@@206EmeraldCity Watch Stevie Knights video on Royce defending Em against Mouse and Dave and then come back and say that. Maybe it'll help you leave la la land, although I highly doubt it.
I get what Page was trying to say at around 9 mins in, "Imagine them doing that to us". I get that the way he said it came off as ignorant, and they kind of just cut him and laughed without him finishing, but he obviously means that this type of gatekeeping seems hypocritical compared to how black people have been excluded before. Of course, the comparison is extreme, but the core principle remains. The basketball example wasn't the best. Should black people be gatekept from classical oil painting because they weren't integral in it's creation or original usage and doesn't play a historical significance in their history and culture? White people have been in Europe for tens of thousands of years, built their countries and traditions, settled their lands first before anyone else; should they then have the right to exclude black people because they "didn't build" Europe or weren't involved in its inception and cultural traditions? By Mouses own definition, black people are just mere guests and tourists in Europe and don't truly belong; would he feel okay with Europeans telling him this, or would he fight for freedom and openness?
this whole quote "black people can't be racist" is upsetting... what they MEAN TO SAY... is Black people (on average) can't ACT on their racism... because to ACT on your racism it requires power... However, Black people CAN be racist..anyone CAN be racist because to be racist is to look at someone and judge them based on their race and treat them differently.. If you're going to try and change definitions and change words you need to keep that shit 100 across the board... By saying white people only can be racist, but when Black people (or someone other than white) can only be prejudice its misleading...because the word RACIST has earned a very ugly stigma (as it should 10000%) but being prejudice is not as ugly.... so if a black person looks at a white person in the same disgusting way as a racist white person looks at a black person and you call the white man racist but the black man prejudice it makes it seem like 1 is worse than the other...its not... Judging ANYONE or treating ANYONE based on the color of their skin is wrong..
Mouse point of view, Hiphop should be exclusively for Black people only, everyone else is prohibited. No matter how talented they are, what impact they made.
People that belong in REAL hip hop: Rakim, KRS One, Tupac, Eminem, Jay-Z, 50 Cent. People that belong in IGNORANT hip hop : Mouse . Never heard of this Mouse dude, He claims to be hip hop but to me he just sounds like he is more of a trip hop dude. This dude acts like his words are the law but his arguments are easily to debunk. To crush this dudes silly arguments I will only say this: Everybody that loves hip hop knows were it came from. Everybody knows that hip hop is global and thus for everyone to see and to like. Everyone that knows hip hop knows that there are black people that are going to hate that a white rapper could be considered the best rapper ever. Claiming that he just takes space from black rappers while in these times with all the social media avaiable you could easily gain some succes IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS HOT. Mouse is NOT hip hop. He just a dude with some limited knowledgement and a high ego that thinks his thoughts are the truth. Mouse, just open your third eye and do not be an ignorant know-it-all.
These conversations are twisted af, there are things created by other race and blacks are taking space (as per their language) but I think if u have talent and respect u can choose any art u want. Take all of that u got a broken community. Far as mouse goes he is a clown, dude said he do research and speaks straight subjective trash
If racism is systematic, you have to evaluate “power” from that standpoint. So no black people cannot be racist, only prejudice. There have been many studies from credited professors and philosophers both black and white analyzing why the dictionary definition is not entirely full or accurate. Ask yourselves the question, if White America is able to teach us false information about history, what else could they lie about? The textbook industry is a business/institution in itself, which is why standardized testing affects lower income neighborhoods.
If Em was black, you absolutely would know who he is because he wouldn't have endured all that racism who despite being WELL above the threshhold of a great rapper, was overlooked and put down the entire time he was coming up until he got Dr. Dre's attention. He had to be twice as better than everyone else just because of the color of his skin. I'm fucking tired of these ignorant opinions being so highlighted when the majority of people in hip hop see the truth.
I'm confused, does anyone look at sports today? I feel like the majority is black so that's not relevant today. Yes years ago I'll agree to that but not today, it's 2021 correct culture has been here.
So surely if you have a problem with Eminem being in the culture, then shouldn't you take umbrage with Dr Dre for giving him said space in the culture? and those who brought in The Beastie Boys, MC Serch, Lil Dickie etc.
Hip Hop is something you live. If you understand where it came from, the conditions that created it, and you practice the discipline, YOU ARE HIP HOP. However, Racism- White Supremacy pollutes all major institutions including the music industry. You can’t be Hip Hop and ignore that.
" Because they're validating something" Hit the nail right on the head. Co-signers is one of the greatest tactic to use when trying to infiltrate. That person that has credibility and trust, will walk you through the front door and put you in front of people that the loyal days one have yet to see. We've seen this in war movies all the time, yet people want to pretend that it's not practice in other areas of War. This is why Marshall fans are so stressed out, when MCs don't speak highly of him. The more co-signers the more acceptance, and power. This is why they name drop legends so fast when people of the culture deny Marshall. They can't name drop an album, because the whole point of denying him, is due to his music, and its content. So they name drop established legends, and act like they are fans of his music, when they really just fuck with his rapping skills specifically. I've never heard any legend name drop an Marshall album on their list, or even said they like his albums. Its always the same thing WE ALL SAY....we rock with his rapping ability, but can't get behind his whack music. Prove me wrong.
11:10 said it all niggas mad cause Em became better than most of the black rappers in the game cause he's white... Everthing he saying is wrong he just reaching for that race card if white rappers had it so easy in tha game why is Eminem the biggest white rapper out wouldnt their be more
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Mouse is crazy. I don’t love Eminem albums like that but I’m not gonna act like he’s not one of the best to rap on a microphone. Even the top rappers hold him high
But they're trying to deem him the God of rap.
No one is questioning his rapping ability, but tell me something.....How many people do you know that says Redman is God of rap? How many top 10 list has Redman on it?
He's not doing anything different, yet he has sold the most records, before him it was vanilla ice, before him it was the beastie boys.
There's always been a white face at the top of hip-hop since it became mainstream in late 80s.
Prove me wrong.
@@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 this is opinionated. If a bunch of people claim MF Doom is the God of Rap why would that be an issue? It should never have anything to do with race. Most of these people are not attracted the type of rap Mouse and people like you may be interested in but the fact that mouse can take more of an offense to white rappers rather than black rappers that disrespect thw artform everyday is more disgusting and more of an indication of being "to comfortable in rap" than any white rapper. Their are no limited number of spaces in rap and Mouses claim that black people can't be racist is clear proof of how much of a moron he is. He just heard some black guy who sounds smart say this shyt and didn't question it at all because the conclusion makes him comfortable.
@@ShawnWeeded510 Facts.
99% of the illest emcees (500-1000 known and underground + battlers etc) ever on record saying Em one of the nicest ever and 90% of those emcees are not white!
@@superdopehiphop I'm getting tired of hearing this narrative... To openly say your not feeling him at the time was to openly cut your self out of white America's sales you committed career suicide going against him not because of his skill level but the amount of money behind him dre and 50 backing him and his skin color. Rappers gave PC answers to those questions to not lose the white fan base, I take those statements and interviews with a grain of salt
Are black people too comfortable in basket ball? James Naismith created basket ball and is white. Everyone keeps saying Jordan is the GOAT but he is a guest and can't be according to who created it. Must be Larry Bird.
Lmao you should add you're using sarcasm some ppl might take it seriously.
Lmao you should add you're using sarcasm some ppl might take it seriously.
This was so funny, this should be posted on every video that talks about hip-hop being only for Black people.
But why should he add he’s using sarcasm I don’t hear any sarcasm in mouse voice lol
They are
Mouse is racist, plain and simple. I don't want this fact to be lost on anyone.
sad but true either that or hes trolling ...
Mindsets like mouse holding us back, man.. 💯
Yeah your right I bet he got his name MOUSE because his thinking capacity is the size of one
"We are prejudice... but that's not racism"
*Looks up the definition of racism*
Racism:
The Oxford Dictionary defines it as, "Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."
They tried to weasel out of it by bringing in economics lol. The definition is there for a reason. Black people can and have been racist. Someone from every race has been racist towards another, it exists and will always exist. Case in point, Mouse.
They tried to make up their own definition of the word ...shits crazy bro ...I'm so glad I'm a mixed 43 yr old I grew up dealing with all this crap
Because our history gives us a right to feel a way about white ppl while whites just hate us for being black
@@lochofmceo Looks more like a convenient excuse to normalize acceptance for hateful toxicity so that you can abandon all responsibility for being that kind of a person while everyone pats you on the back for taking on other people who are the same kind of racist scum bags you are to begin with. You can change the socially accepted perception of the definition all you want, but at the end of the day, you and every other racist are internally the same kind of people in actual objective reality...and objective reality in its solitude doesn't care about your subjective view or spin on the matter.
@@lochofmceo My history as a Puerto Rican gives me the right to "feel a way" about both white and blacks. Do I hate them? no... your ancestors were enslaved for what? 200 years? mine were enslaved for almost 500 years. Do I hate them? no! I judge people by their character not their skin tone and you should too. It will make you a better person.
When I try and search who this mouse guy is all imma get is Mickey Mouse clubhouse 🤣
😅 Same
Lol. I think it’s mouse jones
He wish he was as popular as Mickey Mouse.
His a puffy daddy affiliate which is funny considering puffy tried to make mgk their new Eminem 😱😭
@@Ahijah looool
When they say blacks can't be racist smh
Makes no sense ...They said you have to have power to be racist...How does a poor white person living next to a poor black person have more power....🤦♂️
That was so fucking stupid. They think prejudice based on a person's race isn't racism when that is the exact definition of racism.
Black peoples can’t be racists 🤷🏾♂️
@@rodneywonder91 Do you know the definition of racism?
Comparing black people talking shit to centuries of institutionalized systemic white supremacy is asinine to say the least. Let's not conflate mean words and isolated instances to state sanctioned anti-black legislation and societal traditions. Smh
Who the hell is mouse jones, why he thinks that music is exclusive to a specific race.
Because he's a radical and has hate in his spirit
He's a part of the culture
@@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 How the fuck you gonna say Mouse is part of the culture? But won't say Em is? Em has done more for the culture than a 1000 Mouse's, over a 1000 years ever will.
Mouse has such a limiting mindset
A mouse can only see what is in front of their nose. They miss the big picture.
@@Mrs.L.44 Thats a bar
@@b-rye223 LOL
No he's speaking facts, which is why yall here thumbing it down.
@@battlerapvindustryclowns2028 I'd ask you to elaborate, but it'll probably just be some argument with no logic behind it.
mouse critiquing and didn't even listen properly to em's songs smh
America will never overcome the racist issue even in next 20 years....its the only country where i have seen people being called as white black yellow brown.................only sound exaggerated but its how it is...................even public figures debate on topics like this ...........its sad
Yep, been saying it for years here in the US, but you guessed it...I'm racist if I suggest moving on is the only answer instead of dissecting every little microscopic subgroup of humans and behaviors into categories, etc.
What other country is this diverse with a history of violence and oppression towards blacks?
@@Black_Jus202 not only black ppl have faced oppression i am indian we got history with British.........koreans got history with their other self and japan but Americans even in 2020 is having those issues
@@Black_Jus202 British and french, germany, all had their colonies and they have a large group of black, asian and other people in their countries, yet nobody gives a shit and nobody is making such a huge fucking deal about it. Sure theres racism everywhere but me coming from europe I can agree that I have yet to see another country like the US who keep on having this name calling, angry disputes and just cannot move past it
@@fuzekle Your not qualified to speak on American issues. I'm not replying to non Americans you have no idea what you are speaking of we don't care what yall do overseas where the black population isn't even close to what it is here
"if i was black i woulda sold half" Eminem said that. he knows bro.
Isn’t half still more than almost everyone else? 😅
I get your point, just wanted to say that.
But blacks would be backing him though. Rakim said if em was black he’d be the Ali of rap
@@PapeySapote ok and
They can't say shit to Eminem because they know he's as good as MC's get. Instead, they attack how other people see him. To what fucking point? Going "no, no you can't have that opinion because i don't like it" Hahaha nothing can change how people in hip hop actually think of Eminem and your single opinion, making it as whiney as it can be doesn't do shit or extend to other people. Everyone who already opposes it opposes you even more, and only galvanizes the people who ALREADY agree with you.
Systemic Racism and Personal Racism are two different things but yes black folks can be racist too....
But our "racism" doesn't affect white ppl' s life overall
@@lochofmceo Okay, and you're okay with sharing the same kind of internal racism that people like KKK and neo nazi's have? You still lose and are a loser because your insides are the same in that regard, you can't hide from it just because progressive society gives you a pass, you're still as worthless for being the kinda person in your heart and head as any white supremacist. Thoughts and intention matter to who you are as a person, even if you don't know your maker is listening. What you feel and carry for other people is still who you are and you can't get by making excuses for yourself or exempting yourself from being just as evil as other groups of people that speak with the same words out of your mouth that they do about you.
@@NKWTI I'm not religious.where was my maker then during 400 yrs of slavery?was it listening then?
@@NKWTI I don't want supremacy.I want equality and we don't get equality.we are treated differently.
@@lochofmceo More selfishness as usual, your maker isn't obligated to save you from horrible experiences. This whole world is a witness to what people do and act like when they are left to their own devices. To force action is to create robotic puppets, we have free will...so our authentication process must play out untouched, otherwise our actions aren't genuine. Just because you weren't saved from slavery doesn't mean he wasn't there, it means the day of reckoning will not be a good time for those who perpetrate such things when all has been completed in the world, and we are not there yet.
When someone says all Eminem raps about is killing his mother.. I stop listening to their argument cuz you know they never actually listened to Eminem.
You too pretty to listen to Eminem.
@@korruptnovellst4751 lmaoo i dont know how i shud take this but nahh i love eminem tho
@@ariakahn what's your IG? I'll explain it fully
Eminem is the best idc who says anything
@@korruptnovellst4751 Eminem raps about things that are relatable other than what you trying to make his songs out to be like here:
1. Drugs, Prescription or Powder
2. About baby mama drama
3. Cheating & Trifling partner/wife
4. His love for his kids
5. Growing up in a abusive environment
6. Growing up in the hood
7. Sex and Hoes
8. The Government, George Bush, Dick Cheney & wife, Al Gore & wife, Bill Clinton, Trump & Family about policies that affect you as an American
9. Guns and weapons of mass destruction
10. Betrayal & backstabbing
11. Chopping up bitches, killing your mama and phoofie the dog, okay that is crazy shit but lets be for real your parents piss you off so much you wish something happen to them that is why he said it
12. Motivational songs to pick yourself up and maximize your potential, to never give up
13. About being mistreated like shit growing up in the hood cos he white
14. Rapping about being broke are poor
15. Being bullied in school
16. Toxic relationship
17. Honoring the pioneers of rap/Hip-Hop music
Have you even try hearing songs from him like Rock Bottom, If I Had, Say Goodbye, Role Model, Who knew, Beautiful, Careful What You Wish For, Difficult, Headlights, Cleaning Out My Closet, Bad Husband, In Your Head, Castle, Arose, Stepping Stones, Like Toy Soldiers, Sing For The Moment, White America, We As Americans, Mosh and the list goes so how about you try to listen to Eminem but other than that shut up if you don't know what you talking about 🤦🏿♂️
Who are they to discuss who and what is HipHop? And mouse is one racist fool. Practice what you preach.
Did I miss something ? When did Mouse jones got elected as President of the hip hop culture ? Can’t believe what I’m hearing right now. Some real important figures of hip hop should step in that small minded and one sided debate and stop this before they spread their hate and affect the culture for real.
Jay-Z called it best. A losers mentailty
Could you elaborate.
Jay Z said in a interview when asked if he would be where he was at if biggie and pac was alive. And he said something to the affect that yea he really couldn't be stop. And that thinking someone is in your way because of any reason is a losers mentality.
It’s amazing how a rapper like Em who lives and breathes hip hop and is a student of the game that paid his dues and continues to do his thing gets disrespected because he’s white and then you have a rapper like Game who clearly had no interest in hip hop until after he got shot up when he was 21 and then gets rappers tatted on him and all of a sudden buys the old classic conventional albums to “study” from and it resulted him as a good rapper but a lost soul that constantly name drops and beefs to get noticed. Game is literally the definition of a gangsta rapper starter kit and yet no one has a problem with that, but Em has to be removed. That’s gotta be the funniest shit I’ve ever heard.
Always speaking that truth
@@justgamerz5315 much love!!
@@GlobalEnigma64 I just hate how divided everyone is. It’s why the world is still trying to push forward but keep ending up 2 steps behind. Even when it comes to prejudice not all white people hate black people and not all black people hate white people, man I’m just blessed and privileged enough to grow up in a multi cultural family to not see color as a defining trait
@@justgamerz5315 Amen to everything you said! ✊🏾✊🏾
@a little bit of everything you know that part disturbed me because he says “that space can go to a young black rapper” and with all due respect some of these “young black rappers” unfortunately haven’t even made it during their 20s because they’re getting killed during their rise or peak in stardom. R.I.P to Juice Wrld, Pop Smoke and King Von who were all rising in their spots and creating their lanes and having their own SPACE that was taken because they died and not because of no damn Eminem. Mouse said some real ignorant stupid shit right there.
When you look up the definition of racism, the 1st word that pops up is prejudice. "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized
the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
As black ppl in America we don't have the power to implement systemic racism. But anybody can be racist.
That is the new definition from the liberal art class...
Diversity Glossary? GTFOH. The world is laughin at you.
@@alternativemedia7114 What the fuck do you call hating someone based on the color of their skin then ? You fuckin idiot
@@beastmode1980434 Get the real definition of racism and stop hiding behind the fals statement that black people cant be racists.
@@alternativemedia7114 What ? I'm saying the complete opposite. I'm saying anybody can be racist by definition.
Mickey Mouse don't know a god damn thing. He says he listened to SSLP and MMLP and says he can only rap fast and have shock value. The Way I Am? Rock Bottom? Kill You? Criminal? Guilty Conscience? Stan? I dont even feel like I have to keep listing songs. All those song showcase incredible lyricism and great subject matters. Especially Rock Bottom, Guilty Conscience, and Stan. Kill You and Criminal is just lyricism and shock value. Kill You had that incredible alliteration. They say they know what they're talking about but they really don't. I saw someone hating and act like they know who Em is, but didn't even know he had songs with Wayne. That literally says it all.
Rock Bottom is absolutely nuts. One of my favs.
Rock Bottom, Sing For The Moment, Like Toy Soldiers, Beautiful. I mean it all comes down to you not knowing Em’s catalogue lol
@@NKWTI yeah. One of his best in my opinion
@@MrSmolCrocs Exactly. I could've kept listing but I seriously doubt I needed to. I also only named SSLP and MMLP songs since apparently Mickey Mouse said he listened to those. I seriously doubt it.
Some of them need to watch Hip hop Evolution on netflix. The fore father himself explains it
I’ve been watching this recently, I love it.
Man I can't stand mouse...
He's a toxic douche and he's really high and mighty...feeling himself as well. He thinks he's Mr. King Intellectual
Your bow tie explains why
@@FuccYew lol thats all you could come up with? 🤣🤣🤣
@@FuccYew all skin folk ain't kin folk my brother
@@Black_Jus202 damn right. Lost brothers love tearing down their own.
Want racism to end? Don't think like Mouse or King Los or anybody in this room other than Van Lathan. Rap shouldn't divide us. Eminem got me into rap which led me to listen to all thr black rappers I listen to now. So Eminem graced me with hip hop which is why Em deserves a room in the house of hip hop. I am a young black man that doesn't know a lot of hip.hop culture but ik it shouldn't belong to anyone.
Growing up in the hip hop Mecca, I’ve seen White people doing street art, dancing, deejays, the whole nine. But once they sell more, get mainstream media attention, some Blacks want them gone. Shits crazy. On top of that, can we stop talking about the “killing your mother” music to define Eminem. He’s got 20+ years of content and the haters run back to 2 or 3 songs. Ridiculous
"That's why I fucked yo bitch, you fat motherfucker"
It's like saying Pac's discography is all about fucking Biggie's wife. It's actually that stupid.
The raps about his daughter and depression, shots at pop music culture and other celebrities, hip-hop easter eggs and comedic energy get ignored with Eminem.
@@kh7688 Exactly.
@@Power-9Hunnid Add to that, the technical rhyme schemes & punchlines within punchlines that some people still don't catch. Dude's got party tracks worthy of the club, gangster music and pop hits. Nah, they need to leave him alone.
I’m from the boogie down Bronx and what u are saying is bullshit’ black folk and some Spanish folk are the primordial ppl that are creating within hip hop
The fact that they wanted to discredit what the PIONEERS told him what it was made fir tells you everything you need to know. They mold the conversation to fit their own beliefs and what they want. Smh
You basically described colonizers
So u have to be rich to be racist?....wat?
Nah, cause they expand their bullshit concept to even include poor white people because even if you are dirt poor "the black experience is worse and you're still benefiting from a privilege 'we' don't have." So, even in that scenario, white people still "have it better." Even if objectively some white dude had a way rougher and less privileged life than a black person did, they'll just dismiss that. This is how crazy the left has gotten. I hate to bring politics into this...but these social concepts we are speaking of is exclusively democratic/liberal in nature and origin or "progressive." Enjoy society!
We can't control who participates in the culture but we can control who we endorse, support and pay attention to.
People saying Eminem is too comfortable? He's the biggest music icon alive, not just hip hop music today period, with all this mumble shit floating up from people who subsitute talent with face tats, autotune, and ghostwriters and the realist relavent hip hop artist right now is a 47 year old white guy.... that alone should open people's eyes to the sorry state of hip hop... Ems been among the top lyricists since he debuted. Em got the "Hell Yeah" from Dre, he should feel comfortable in hip hop he was invited by a legend of an O.G and Ems been keeping real lyricism alive for 25 years and has helped build and grow hip hop as an art form and keep in it alive while the newer generation hasn't...(excluding Joyner) he's earned his place and the respect of almost all the O.Gs of hip hop and it wouldnt be what it is without him, facts.... so who cares what some young buck, No talent hacks, chasing paper with no respect for the art mumble rappers think frfrf....
Mouse so ignorant he hard to listen too
Mouse is hella racist surprised these dudes don’t call him on it
😂😂
Imagine being too scared to call out a bitch like Mouse lol. It's hilarious to me.
How is he racist? I’m trying to understand this a black man with a strong opinion is racist
@@traycooksjr8220 because it has nothing to do with anything but race hence being racist he don’t care about Eminem or any other white rapper he says they should remove them from hip hop like he’s someone of importance how would he feel if white people or anyone but black people could buy hip hop music how quick it would fail
@@traycooksjr8220 watch Stevie knight review on it so u can see a black man also saying he’s racist
Correct me if I’m wrong. Rap was just poetry that has changed over the course of time.
Your wrong... I swear as easy as you can post some bs you can go read and do some research. Reading is fundamental
Rap is an acronym (R)hythm (A)nd (P)oetry
@@danielv9459 Man if you don't sit your pop locking ass down 🤣🤣🤣
@@Black_Jus202 thnks for that
This shit is way too funny... hypocryte life struggles....😂😂👌🏼👌🏼
Mouse is no gate keeper, fam thinks by virtue of the fact that he's black he's entitled some ownership of the culture, nope. That gate keeper status is reserved for those that add/contribute to the culture, for everybody else admission is free... Rap is a genre/form of music belonging for the most part to Hip-Hop which is itself a culture and lifestyle devoid of a price tag... a way of life with a price is a fad. An if it has no price, it can never truly be brought/sold, therefore it can never truly be owned solely by anyone but rather collectively by everybody that wishes to contribute/participate.
Question: if a graffiti writer bombs a wall or does a memorial piece for a fallen rapper, is it never truly Hip-Hop until we determine the writer's race?
And he thinks what he says is all true
@@shon7425 it is
Who is Mouse??
Nobody. Oh and trust me, nothing he says is gonna affect white people or people of any other colour from succeeding in Hip-Hop.
He's a rat in disguise
Mouse 🐁 most racist person with a platform I’ve ever heard.
From where Apathy's argument is based, I think that valididates something that has been core 2 Hip Hop from it’s inception which can be summed up in a variant of a simple and ubiquitous adage:
"You can take white ppl out of Hip Hop but u can't take Hip Hop out of a white person."
Culture can't be based around color because culture is composed of principles, philosophies, customs and traditions.
What color is authenticity?
What color is technique?
What color is knowledge?
What color is break dancing?
What color is struggle and oppression?
What color is revolution?
What color is passion?
What color is MCing?
What color is cadence?
What color is slang and dialect?
What color is a bop?
it's crazy how no one sees how racist mouse is
he’s isn’t tho
Ain’t prejudice against another person color racist??
Sad these people even have the stage. It’s embarrassing black people everywhere bc these bad apples. Anyone can be racist and these people, mainly mouse is racist
If you notice, most of the people saying this shit are a bunch of nobodies. They are bitter and the idea that Eminem is "taking up space" when there are tons of successful black rappers that young white kids today run to over Eminem because they consider him "old school" is proof that this is bullshit. It also shows us that these dudes are bitter that they ain't shit in their careers at that level so we gotta blame someone that isn't "one of them."
@@NKWTI If Nas was white there wouldn't be a eminem 😂😂😂
@@NKWTI Sounds good but fact remains if Eminem wasn't white he wouldn't of gone that far if Rakim & Nas were white they wouldn't be a eminem 😂😂
@@gbiggaveli2564 but Rakim said that Em would be the Ali of hip hop if he was black 🤫
@@954buggy Rakim just a OG who doesn't wanna come off as a hater tbh get Rakim in like a podcast like Drink champs and see if he got the same answer 8 shots later 😂😂 Nas is a Rakim 2.0 Em he just a really good rapper raps a whole bunch of nothings for the most part Nas is a MC he connects in a different way and makes songs like a perspective of a fucking Gun as if it was a real person and paints the picture so well you'll feel like you was there....
Man this makes me sick. Wtf is Mouse? I tried googling him but still can't find him. And if Google doesn't know...
I tried too... Didn't find the punk...
Hey I'm not rscist because look I just changed the definition racist. Ta Da! So you created the culture, hold the vast majority of spots in the culture but you still don't have enough power to be racist within the confines of hip hop. Make sure you stretch before attempting this Olympic level mental gymnastics. Stop carry water for a victim culture.
Mouse's beef should be more with the institutions than the artists who participate. Those are 2 different classes of ppl with 2 completely different motivations and agendas. An Eminem is more likely 2 be an ally 4 what Mouse takes issue with than an adversary.
He's too ignorant to understand the difference
Facts
Yo MOUSE is a brick wall of IGNORANCE
Mouse about to get caught in a trap.
People have been fighting against segregation and now some of these people (especially Mouse) want to segregate hip hop. Of course it was created by black people. That can be acknowledged and has to be respected, but does that mean only people with a certain skin color can be a part of it? Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone. Get rid of your iPhone or Samsung phone or whatever you have on you then, if that’s how you decide who can be a part of what.
jealousy is a disease you should see a doctor
Where's cancel culture when you need em? Cancel this Mouse/Rat clown.
I still don't understand the "taking up space" part considering a lot of artist stay underground because they're not given their fair shake in the game....
This shit is super sad and hella racist... Music is for everybody....
Is this mouse part of cancell cult?
Can anyone tell me who Mouse is or why his opinion is even relevant? I never heard of this dude aside from his race based Eminem hatred
I hear Mouse is P Diddy’s cousin. Are all of these people publicly dismissing Em tied to Diddy in some way?
Everyone is racist what ever race you are there is always a race you go against but some of us repect the invisible line that we shouldnt cross but to say you cant be racist is basically saying you are.
Um no
This may be the highest number of racists on one conference call I've ever heard.
Should black people be allowed in the nba, should black people be allowed in the NFL, should black people be allowed to play in the English premier league soccer, should black people be allowed to be philosophers, should black people be allowed to play classical music, should black people be allowed to compete in the Olympics, yes they should and so should every other race, it doesn't matter who created what, everyone should be allowed in it regardless of race, sex or anything else... black, white, asain, we all people, this shit is so wack. It doesn't matter what race you are, being racist is possible and it's not okay. Saying it's impossible for black people to he racist is racist within itself. This conversation is completely illogical some of these blokes are the definition of racist.
Should colonizers be allowed in America?
Why mouse so damn JEALOUS?...WHYYYY???
If em ain’t hip hop then what genre is he?
I feel like that comments on racism and black people not being able to be racist was false. when it comes to this subject matter and mainly this subject matter only, black ppls words and opinions on hip hop have more weight than any other race.That can be seen as power over other people. If all these years have taught us anything it's that racial privilege is easily overlooked, whether black white hispanic or Asian
When you say you're not gonna explain the point because if you dont get the point you wont get the point. Wow gonna help change people's minds 🙄
This rhetoric is so annoying. and it’s never actually about the music. They can’t even see their own racism. Like STFU and stop Gatekeeping the culture. If you don’t like a artist don’t listen to them, but to say someone shouldn’t belong in a genre because of race? Like really, y’all grown men. Get of the couch, get a job or and go record a song.
I don't get it.Its like saying lewis Hamilton is taking up space to clear up young white kids to have a chance to succeed and being world champion.Now by me saying this is racist or prejudice? Looking forward to someone can reply..If we all want equality then this is not the way it will always be separation .saying white people don't understand about racism is rubbish.I understand more than what all you do about racism.
Oh that page, is page Kennedy?
I hate this whole topic of White people in hip-hop. Basketball was created by white people, does that make POC guests in basketball? does that mean Kobe, Jordan, and Lebron cant be considered 3 of the best to ever step foot on a basketball court? No. They proved they are 3 of the best by putting in the work and being 3 of the best to ever step foot on a basketball court. Should we not consider them basketball players since it was a sport created by white people like Apathy cant consider himself hip-hop because hes white? Is Jordan a culture vulture because he played baseball too? Is Bo Jackson a culture vulture because he played football and baseball? does that take away from how good they were at both sports? smh...
Sound like a buncha racism too me 😂
Why isn't prejudice held at the same standard as racist? The meanings literally derive from each other, come on y'all.
Mouse really needs to do some research.. 1Love
I would love to have them listen to white people talk about black people the way they do white people. Could you imagine a white person saying some of these things about black people ? They would freak out. It's so hypocritical. Mouse is straight up racist.. I never really heard of rascism against white till I started listening to these conversations.. some of them are saying insane hella racist hateful shit. I Love the people on here who are speaking up saying hip hop is for everyone. That's the kind of thinking that bring us closer and shows progression.. focussing on this stupid topic is rascist pretty much and does nothing but get people upset and it just divides everyone and spreads hate.
Is script well? Cause that photo of magic
Why do ppl act like anything Mouse says has any credence? He’s an actual clown who literally said he hasn’t listened to Em. He said “Em has never said something ILL.” yet you can tell he’s never listened to something like that.
99% of ALL the ILL emcees revere Em as one of the illest nicest GOAT lyricist but I’m supposed to care what Mouse Jones says? 🤣
Bro page is crazy 🤣🤣🤣🤣he said they did dat to us🤣🤣🤣🤣
They missed the point...he was pointing out the hypocrisy.
He meant if in 2021 white people decided you know what blacks are no longer allowed to join sports. Just because someone is white you going to hold them accountable for what their ancestors did? People who thought witch craft was real? Lol
@@justgamerz5315 facts. I wanted someone to bring up basketball so bad. I would have wrecked everyone arguing with the basketball analogy frfr. It was invented by white people and nobody says, MJ/Lebron/ Kobe cant be the goat because it isn't they culture. It's an inane fucking argument.
Puertorrican and black invented it not only black
Damn folks, get your EQ tightened up. Some cats you can barely hear, other folks be blowing out my speakers.
Dude doesn't even know the origin of rap lol
I know, right? Dude said hip hop was created as a protest. GTFO.
The most disrespectful chat
A year later and Mouse is still the most racist person I've ever had the displeasure of listening to. I honestly don't know how someone so hateful and ignorant can be allowed on any type of platform. I'm thankful for people like Stevie Knight. Gives me some kinda hope for humanity.
We can’t be racist towards the people who invented it stay mad mayo boy
@@206EmeraldCity lmao. What's it like living in fantasy land? I'm curious 🤔
@@B3eRp0nGM4sAcre what it is like to hate hearing the truth
@@206EmeraldCity Watch Stevie Knights video on Royce defending Em against Mouse and Dave and then come back and say that. Maybe it'll help you leave la la land, although I highly doubt it.
@@B3eRp0nGM4sAcre Royce is a washed up rapper with no hits try again mayo boy 😆😆😆
You know you gonna hear a bunch of black racists when they all say Black cant be racists.
Stop using the past to judge the future
I get what Page was trying to say at around 9 mins in, "Imagine them doing that to us". I get that the way he said it came off as ignorant, and they kind of just cut him and laughed without him finishing, but he obviously means that this type of gatekeeping seems hypocritical compared to how black people have been excluded before. Of course, the comparison is extreme, but the core principle remains. The basketball example wasn't the best. Should black people be gatekept from classical oil painting because they weren't integral in it's creation or original usage and doesn't play a historical significance in their history and culture? White people have been in Europe for tens of thousands of years, built their countries and traditions, settled their lands first before anyone else; should they then have the right to exclude black people because they "didn't build" Europe or weren't involved in its inception and cultural traditions? By Mouses own definition, black people are just mere guests and tourists in Europe and don't truly belong; would he feel okay with Europeans telling him this, or would he fight for freedom and openness?
this whole quote "black people can't be racist" is upsetting... what they MEAN TO SAY... is Black people (on average) can't ACT on their racism... because to ACT on your racism it requires power... However, Black people CAN be racist..anyone CAN be racist because to be racist is to look at someone and judge them based on their race and treat them differently.. If you're going to try and change definitions and change words you need to keep that shit 100 across the board... By saying white people only can be racist, but when Black people (or someone other than white) can only be prejudice its misleading...because the word RACIST has earned a very ugly stigma (as it should 10000%) but being prejudice is not as ugly.... so if a black person looks at a white person in the same disgusting way as a racist white person looks at a black person and you call the white man racist but the black man prejudice it makes it seem like 1 is worse than the other...its not... Judging ANYONE or treating ANYONE based on the color of their skin is wrong..
Black people cant be racist colonizer stay mad
be quiet colonizer and stop playing victim 😆😆😆
This shit is disgraceful...we cant elevate if we do the same stuff we speak out against.smh
Mouse point of view, Hiphop should be exclusively for Black people only, everyone else is prohibited. No matter how talented they are, what impact they made.
Hip hop is black culture get over it
@@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917 whoever said it wasn't.
@@youcantberacisttowardswhit3917 are you familiar with soccer ?
@@junespiration y’all wanna be anti black but expect us to let y’all steal from our culture it doesn’t work like that
@@rickojay7536 nope but I know your familiar with incest
Who the fuck is this mouse guy can't find any info on him when I Google him
@mouse Jones Twitter 😁
People that belong in REAL hip hop: Rakim, KRS One, Tupac, Eminem, Jay-Z, 50 Cent.
People that belong in IGNORANT hip hop : Mouse . Never heard of this Mouse dude, He claims to be hip hop but to me he just sounds like he is more of a trip hop dude. This dude acts like his words are the law but his arguments are easily to debunk. To crush this dudes silly arguments I will only say this: Everybody that loves hip hop knows were it came from. Everybody knows that hip hop is global and thus for everyone to see and to like. Everyone that knows hip hop knows that there are black people that are going to hate that a white rapper could be considered the best rapper ever. Claiming that he just takes space from black rappers while in these times with all the social media avaiable you could easily gain some succes IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS HOT. Mouse is NOT hip hop. He just a dude with some limited knowledgement and a high ego that thinks his thoughts are the truth. Mouse, just open your third eye and do not be an ignorant know-it-all.
I wonder what Mouse thinks of Fat Joe...
He’s taking up space too
These conversations are twisted af, there are things created by other race and blacks are taking space (as per their language) but I think if u have talent and respect u can choose any art u want. Take all of that u got a broken community. Far as mouse goes he is a clown, dude said he do research and speaks straight subjective trash
Mouse is a racist and another pissed off rapper who never made it.
If racism is systematic, you have to evaluate “power” from that standpoint. So no black people cannot be racist, only prejudice. There have been many studies from credited professors and philosophers both black and white analyzing why the dictionary definition is not entirely full or accurate. Ask yourselves the question, if White America is able to teach us false information about history, what else could they lie about? The textbook industry is a business/institution in itself, which is why standardized testing affects lower income neighborhoods.
Who tf is mouse ?
If Em was black, you absolutely would know who he is because he wouldn't have endured all that racism who despite being WELL above the threshhold of a great rapper, was overlooked and put down the entire time he was coming up until he got Dr. Dre's attention. He had to be twice as better than everyone else just because of the color of his skin. I'm fucking tired of these ignorant opinions being so highlighted when the majority of people in hip hop see the truth.
Who the fuck is mouse?
One of the first Hip Hop music video: - The Sugar hill Gang- - Rappers Delight . They put white women in it . How is that fighting white supremacy lol
the ignorance in this chat is crazy. Page is absolutely right.
Daaaaamn! I'm feeling it
I'm confused, does anyone look at sports today? I feel like the majority is black so that's not relevant today. Yes years ago I'll agree to that but not today, it's 2021 correct culture has been here.
So surely if you have a problem with Eminem being in the culture, then shouldn't you take umbrage with Dr Dre for giving him said space in the culture? and those who brought in The Beastie Boys, MC Serch, Lil Dickie etc.
Mouse Jones - Twitter
Hip Hop is something you live. If you understand where it came from, the conditions that created it, and you practice the discipline, YOU ARE HIP HOP. However, Racism- White Supremacy pollutes all major institutions including the music industry. You can’t be Hip Hop and ignore that.
" Because they're validating something"
Hit the nail right on the head. Co-signers is one of the greatest tactic to use when trying to infiltrate. That person that has credibility and trust, will walk you through the front door and put you in front of people that the loyal days one have yet to see.
We've seen this in war movies all the time, yet people want to pretend that it's not practice in other areas of War.
This is why Marshall fans are so stressed out, when MCs don't speak highly of him. The more co-signers the more acceptance, and power. This is why they name drop legends so fast when people of the culture deny Marshall.
They can't name drop an album, because the whole point of denying him, is due to his music, and its content. So they name drop established legends, and act like they are fans of his music, when they really just fuck with his rapping skills specifically. I've never heard any legend name drop an Marshall album on their list, or even said they like his albums. Its always the same thing WE ALL SAY....we rock with his rapping ability, but can't get behind his whack music.
Prove me wrong.
To each there own
11:10 said it all niggas mad cause Em became better than most of the black rappers in the game cause he's white... Everthing he saying is wrong he just reaching for that race card if white rappers had it so easy in tha game why is Eminem the biggest white rapper out wouldnt their be more
Mouse may not be racist but he sure as fuck is prejudice