This Model Y roadtrip might have been too much… 1200mi ND to KY
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2023
- My favorite part of an EV is the stats. Nerd out with some sick charging curves on this trip from Bismark to Louisville. This trip once again shows how much we need Tesla to open to CCS. If I can do a trip like this, well, I think anyone can.
Car - 23 Tesla Model Y LR
If this is your first UA-cam video, you did a great job. Looking forward to more.
Thank you so much! I’ve got another one coming in the next week or so
My God, I driven that stretch through Wisconsin several times from Minneapolis to Rockford/Benoit and it feels like it takes about a year!
SPEEDING caused you to use more battery than usual, especially with all of the extra weight inside. That’s why your “Chicago Traffic” trip was your most efficient. 😅 Slow Down! 😂 Thanks for the info. ❤
Yeah, I should slow down. But sometimes you just need to keep up with traffic!
Why do need to keep up with traffic? Stay in the right lane.
That just seems so dumb to me. Tell him to drive slower? How bout just drive an ICE car
@@joeybulford5266I mean speeding does the same thing to an ICE cars efficiency, albeit not as extremely
LMBO!!! After commenting the above, I saw that you were doing 80 in a 55 zone. 😅😂 That’s why the calculations are off. I’m glad you to are testing the Tesla!
Haha, yeah there were a lot of times the car read the speed limit wrong. So most of the time the speed limit was 70-75. But you're right, sticking closer to 70 would have definitely made the calculations more accurate.
Love the wit, the charisma, the expertise and the technical detail. Well done
I'm glad you liked it. It's hard to be energetic for the camera when you're tired from driving.
I wondered at first why your numbers were so far off what I had calculated for several 1500 mi RTs I did in my MY and the Prius it replaced. I had calculated that the Prius and MY cost about the same. Charging costs were about the same on a KWH basis as you reported. Here are the differences: 1. Gas in California at the time I was did my calculation was more like $4.50-4.75/Gal (not $3.00) = $20 -25 swing. 2. My efficiency was better in the MY probably because of lower weight. I was a little better than 3 mi/kWh = 7% or about a $9 swing. 3. The Prius doesn't get 57 mpd when you drive 80. Sub 50 mpg is more realistic and what I actually experienced = $15 swing. The unremarkable lesson is that how economical electric cars are depend on how expensive gasoline is.
Those are all great points. I was also using KWH used from TeslaFi, meaning my in car efficiency numbers were a bit better too. It really does come down to what the price of gas is for road trips. Most of my charging is at home so the MY is still a big win.
That's good insight on the Prius' efficiency. I wish I had some better numbers to go on, but I figured EPA ratings was the most fair metric I could use when comparing vehicles. Even if that is a bit unfair to the real world numbers to the MY.
Outstanding job on this video! I appreciate the trip and charging data.
Thanks so much! I just put out a new one with animated maps!
As a fellow Louisvillian (and a relatively new EV owner) I was intrigued by this video. I enjoyed the data points and all the commentary. Having watched multiple Tesla road trip videos, I can say that this was one of the best in terms of data provided. My wife and I plan to take her Model Y on our first long road trip since taking delivery back in October. In January we're traveling to Miami and back over the course of ten days. Keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to the next one!
Thanks for watching! I'm sure you'll have fun on your trip. We got ours in October too! Always nice to hear from people in town.
8:13 I drank a lot of Caribou Coffee in Minneapolis when I was there in 2008. Liked it better than Starbucks.
Great video! I really enjoyed your analysis.
Much appreciated!
In the summer, I did a 5700 mile roadtrip from Orlando to Kansas to South Dakota (Badlands), through Wyoming, to Colorado (house shopping), then all the way back to Orlando. I learned a lot along the way. First, for the most part, it wasn't nearly as bad I had thought. The main issue for us was simply the space - traveling with 5 people and luggage is cramped - even if some are kids. Second, I only counted "charge time" as any time waiting on charging after everyone was done during their business at each stop. So, realistically, most stops didn't require extra waiting as long as we were good about combining bathroom breaks with charging. Third, we choose pitstops based on charging locations. It wasn't always possible, especially in the middle of nowhere. Forth, you really notice how much extra energy is used when you go faster or have adverse weather conditions. This isn't an issue with gas cars since gas stations are everywhere. Fifth, instant torque is a superpower. I passed a semi going uphill jumping from 70 mph to 110 mph within the length of passing the truck while in Wyoming. Not possible with the minivan. Sixth, range really wasn't an issue - but charging speed in the middle of the country was. Thankfully, we knew this in advance and planned our meal times around it. Lastly, having L2 chargers at hotels was super nice and saved us at least one stop.
For me, the Model Y makes a great day-tripper or moderate road trip (under 300 miles each way). Beyond that, the charging time catches up unless you can combine with meals. It is also extremely handy to get hotels with charging available - but most places only have 1-3 stalls. Occasionally, they are paid charging (which is fine, but nice to know in advance).
Now that I live in Colorado, I use my Tesla as my ski/mountain car. Resorts are only 2-3 hours away from me and many have charging available in the parking lots, so it works out really well.
Great video and I like the comparison of different vehicles. Well done
Thanks! Do you think the vehicles I chose were fair? Would you prefer any others?
I think something similar in size/function to the Y like a Honda CRV would be good.
Phenomenal video!!
Thanks so much!
I stumbled across your channel and really enjoy your content, production values, and insights. (A fellow MY owner, I’m a sucker for EV road trip videos.) Keep up the great work!
CCS will be disappearing in the coming years as everything switches to NACS. ND is basically the worst-case scenario for Tesla, because the Supercharger network there is some of the worst in the country. It's basically only just along the interstate.
Well done! This has given me a better idea of how to map out a trip with an EV. More stops, but some are quite short.
I’m glad you found it helpful. EV travel is pretty great when your average charging speeds can stay around that 120kw range. I’d highly recommend checking out ABRP (if you haven’t already) to help find the most efficient route for your exact trip.
Great job!
Thanks!
Damm! Love the metric units
Awesome! Glad you found them useful
Returned to Bessemer, AL last week from visiting family in San Diego and friends in Tucson. Drove Perl (my 2023 pearl white MYLR) out in CHILL mode and back in Standard, actually made better mileage on the return trip, but I may have been driving a little more slowly and definitely wasn’t facing the nasty headwinds I had on the way out.. Used Autopilot for over 90% of the 4000 mile round trip. Supervising autopilot was tremendously easier (and safer) than fully manual driving would have been. Took three days driving out to San Diego. My last leg returning home (including a few naps in the car) was 1600 miles and took about 33 hours from when I pulled away from the hotel in Tucson to when I parked in my driveway. At most of the stops I took more time than required to charge efficiently. Never had any trouble charging, though some facilities near chargers were closed late at night and one location was a bit suspect in the wee hours, wound up leaving that station early and stretching my range by driving 60-ish for 50 miles or so on a 75mph stretch of road to pad my charge at arrival.
Another good video. Great job with all the stats. (Did you partner know he was going to be in a documentary when he said he'd ride with you?)
Great video with amazing data to share. Tesla sure does make the road trips easy vs other EV choices.
I got a 2020 Bolt EV recently. I drive 800-1100 miles per week.. but it is all in city driving. The Bolt is arguably the better rideshare car. And it was $20K cheaper than a Model 3.
I bought mine in a bigger city, and immediately did a 2500 mile road trip. Electrify America can be a PAIN IN THE ASS... I would say that 50% of my charging stops, there were some chargers with issues.... But I was able to successfully charge each time.
I did not mind the slow charging.. I just put the seats down and took a nap at each charging session.. and also slept in the car in the back area... You can make this work if you are not more than 5 foot 10 or so.
Model Y is amazing.. Just way too much for my budget at the time.
If you road trip more than 50% of your miles... Buy a Toyota Hybrid.. you will save money, and time, and hassle. And probably get longer life out of the car.
I had a Prius before my Bolt EV.. It went 423,000 miles... and I have several friends with Prius over 500K miles.
Love the video.. Keep up the great work on your videos.
That's awesome that you drove the Bolt that far! How many days did you break it up into?
Thanks for checking it out. I hoped I wasn't too hard on the Bolt because it really is a great car. I agree with you on the rideshare point for sure. I had never bought a car over $15K before this, so a used Bolt was very high on my list. But after some back and forth we decided that we wanted to pay extra for the charging and creature comforts that come with it.
Thats great to hear that the Prius is super reliable. I'm hoping the Model Y will go 300K miles. Most of my miles are city miles so it will be a while before I get that high on the odometer.
@@DataDriven-em1lv
I think it was 3 days from Ohio back to West Texas..
I basically drove and napped.
And had 2 sleep breaks.
But I had left late evening.. so it was more like. A night.. a day and a night..
My Prius was mostly city miles.
I put 223,000 on it in 4 1/2 years.
I also got my bolt for a good deal. $20k. It had 12,000 miles on it.
Fully loaded model too.
Gonna look at the Model 2 when that becomes available.. or maybe a used Model Y .
Really well made video. Easy going, clear commentary and good choice of music. Plenty of good information on the reality of a US road trip which I found interesting from a UK perspective. Maybe when I was younger I could have driven those sort of hours but not these days.
Glad you liked it. Driving this much is a lot. Definitely wish we had a bit better train service.
Great video with excellent overlays. I like the addition of the pounds of Carbon Dioxide saved. Would you explain what the quantity of CO2 means? Since CO2 is a gas, does this amount calculate pounds of pressure or weight?
Thanks for watching! The CO2 is measured in weight. It is hard to imagine that gas can weigh that much, but it is pretty wild that over the trip that much gas is released. Here is an article that talks about it more. climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/how-much-ton-carbon-dioxide
I love your focus on CO2 saving because that to me is what it's all about. Great video and GO GREEN!!!!
Thanks for watching! I'm glad you appreciated that. Lower emissions is a huge component of EV ownership and I wish more people would talk about it in these road trip videos. 1 Ton of CO2 emissions avoided is a big deal and shouldn't be glossed over.
@@DataDriven-em1lv I love how you think!!!
We have 10kw peak solar on our house and two tesla's we also pay 2k a. year on Carbon Offset through the Well Done Foundation to capture methane leaking from all the gas and oil sites.
Thanks for the trip and the data. The overlays looked pretty cool. The charging profile was particularly interesting because that stepdown from 250 kW happened very quickly. Is this a 4680 Model Y?
Also, one thing worth noting is that while it's true that Teslas are much easier for new-to-EV owners to road trip in, that trip was still very doable in the Chevy Bolt EV for experienced (or at least, interested) EV owners. It would have taken a bit more time than the Model Y, but the trade off with charging speed is efficiency, range, and cost (both upfront and cost per mile while driving). Essentially, either is an option, but the Model Y will travel faster (though gas cars will still travel much faster than either).
I'm glad you liked the overlays. I spent way too long making them haha. As far as I am aware my car is the 2170 pack (2023 Model Y Long Range). The drop off from 250 is extremely steep. It will hit 250 at 10% and then by 15% it starts to taper and by 30% its down to 170kw.
That is a great note on the Bolt. I hoped I wasn't too hard on it because I really do like the car. We strongly considered getting a Bolt for the savings and just taking a gas car on the longer trips.
Just as a point of comparison. On this trip it would have taken 9 hours to charge according to ABRP compared to the MYLR at 2.5 hours. Splitting that into two days, 4.5 hours of charging is doable, but it definitely changes the trip dynamics.
@@DataDriven-em1lv Ah, interesting. The charging profile looked similar to 4680.
As for the Bolt, it's always a great option, but it is limited on these types of trips. ABRP is overly conservative for the Bolt, which is usually about 10-20% faster than ABRP estimates, and it also benefits more from an overnight charge at a hotel (saving about 2 hours of charging).
Based on my experiences, a two-day trip like this would require about 5 to 6 hours of charging in the Bolt EV, so about 2.5 to 3 hours per day or a little more than double the time you spent charging in the Model Y. That's a deal breaker for some, but so is the extra time with the Y compared to the F-150.
No matter what, it's good to have options. Thanks again for your work on this!
@@newscoulomb3705I used to own the 4680 MY, and its charge curve fell off even more dramatically than the 2170. I would see only two or three seconds of 230 at a SOC of 5%, then it would rapidly fall to 150 or even less. On my 2170, I see mid 200s until 20%, then 175 until the high 30s. Practically speaking, charging from 10-60% takes 15 minutes, compared to 25 minutes on the 4680.
This was a damn great watch!
Thanks for checking it out!
Solid, subbed, keep the vids coming!
Thanks! I've got another one coming up soonish.
Solid vid. I will note though, I drive a Prius prime. A full 9 gallon tank is estimated at 621 miles, and a full charge is 35 miles. If you are trying to go electric for every day driving but also save money on distance driving, a PHEV looks to be the top choice.
It really depends. Toyota PHEVs (Prius specifically) are pretty great. But most PHEVs tend to be more expensive and less reliable. There are situational advantages for PHEVs, but also clear fundamental disadvantages.
Even here, the benefits are noticeable, but not game changing. Prius saves you $50 and an hour of time over two days. Eh.
And the obvious kicker. You should be able to look at this video and realize that Prius Prime has less than half the space of the Model Y. Not only would the efficiency of the Prius take a huge hit with that much weight - they couldn't even have made this trip in the Prius Prime in the first place!
Great vid and commentary
Glad you enjoyed!
I compliment you using metric units too!
I hoped someone would appreciate that!
It would be interesting to see a comparison of time spent on road vs extra charging times spent. It might be a critical information for planning time critical long trips. Just some 💭❤️👍
That’s a great point. Do you mean near the end next to charging time and trip time? Or the little big at the top of the screen after stops?
Either way I’ll keep it in mind
If I drove longer distances I'd have sprung for the Tesla, but the Bolt euv was a lot less, and it does what I need.
Thanks for watching! The Bolt is a great buy and is probably the most cost effective vehicle to operate right now. I'm sure the Bolt is going to serve you well for years to come
that is perfect trip!peace out-
Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!
Nice video, although I doubt the Prius is doing 57 mpg @ speeds above 75 mph. Most likely it does around 42-45 mpg. In the end it's all about gas price vs long trips that need Supercharging. The EV is a winner the rest of the time. I doubt anyone does 300 miles a day.
Especially with so much weight in the back - which it wouldn't even be able to carry with its significantly smaller storage space. Still useful for information, but probably not the most relevant comparison for this specific use case.
You do realize that it would have been impossible to make the trip in a Chevy Bolt because all your stuff would never fit inside the Bolt.
That is a fair point. I could have downsized a bit if needed, but the 9 hours of charging would have been killer.
Amazing data overlays! Can’t wait for some more road trip content!
Thanks! Hope I covered the data you wanted to see.
Okay, okay, okay...Loved the video and data banners. Suggestions, (1) Fill driving sequences with chatter about the drive and the data collected. (no music, or at least turn the music below 1/2). (2) Some of the banners data is not clear to me if you could explain further. Best video I've seen on Tesla driving. My drives are a bit longer and usually thru the southwest and west coast. Specifically Monument Valley, Las Vegas NM. and along the west coast from Morro Bay to San Simeon which lacks a lot of recharging areas (4,600 to 5,600 miles round trip I live near St Louis MO). I'm also interested in data for cold weather and very hot weather and how it affect the vehicle. Currently I'm on the list for a Cybertruck because of its lack of range and added cost I'm still looking. However all I hear about the Cybertuck is positive post exotic excrement, which lacks the 500 miles of range and cost increases much greater than the rate of inflation form 2019 to the 3rd quarter of 2023. No one is addressing these dropped specifications and I appreciate the R E A L data in your videos. (3) For those of us who are color blind I can best identify with white letter on a darker background preferably black background. We are only 12% of the population but I am really interested in your data. Once again great video.
Those are great suggestions. I'll try to incorporate some of those. That's a ton of driving. Hope these videos can help show what it's like.
Good video! You would probably have noticed better efficiency with more air in your tires, considering the cold temperatures and full load. Remember, the recommended pressure is when the tires are stone cold first thing in the morning.
Good to know. I thought it was after warmed up. I'll have to double check the cold temp pressure.
Nicely done, great stats graphics! Your Wh/mi around 300-350 is pretty good considering highway speeds, near freezing temps, big Model Y FULLY loaded w/ gear... great!
@19:20 re AP/FSD in traffic, I've settled on distance setting of 5 or so, in the middle... that seems be be the happy median about not being too aggressive following closely (1-3), but also not too fussy about keeping bigger separation (near 7 etc)... it seems gentler/more relaxed to me in stop&go traffic. It doesn't seem to really be separation / car lengths, as much as "aggression" level for how closely it tries to follow...
Was the 20hrs trip total, driving time? or including charging? If just driving, 2.3hrs charging for 20hrs driving is just 10% extra... and as you say, even gas car you'd want to stop nearly that much anyway.
Thanks for watching. The 20hrs was from door to door. So subtract charging time and I think like 30-40min of just general stoppage from that for drive only time. I tried putting FSD on chill mode and it definitely made a difference with the stops and starts. I still never feel like aggressive follows close enough for city traffic though. Maybe its different because I have a vision only car.
Good job on the road trip. Sub'd.
Appreciate it. Hope to get another one out soon.
Where's the volt video? Volt be way better for this
Wow f150 less double wow. Probably be even cheaper because you don't have to go off route as much so that would be less miles in total. Plus didn't add free charges in there.
if you used 50% of your battery to go 117 miles, then your 100% range is only 234 miles. I thought Model Y long range was supposed to get 330 miles of range. You are only getting 2/3 of the advertised range. Cold weather and high speed may account for some leeway, but falling 100 miles short is not acceptable. Is there something wrong with your car or did Tesla lie about the range?
Thanks for watching! So the 330 mile range is the EPA estimate. Which is a combo of city and highway driving. If I stick to 70MPH and its great conditions I could probably get 250-270 if I use 0-100% of the battery. Tesla definitely over estimates their range number compared to the traditional automakers. If you got a Ford or GM car. Their stated range is much closer to what you'd get on the freeway. But that just goes to show that we need separate highway and city range numbers.
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Lollll dudeee I gave an f150 and a Tesla! I’m contemplating if i should too (still watching the video so we’ll see)
Haha, it's fun explaining to people that I have a V8 and an EV.