Definitely agree with this, I started online and the comp was much more tough, then going to local casino/poker hall, WAY more casual than I had expected, lots of old guys/retired folks who just wanted to have fun who really didn't have much poker theory or discipline in their game, just played aggressive. If you have a good head on your shoulders and understand the game fairly well, you'll clean up at live games
i agree with this but most online players when go to live have a problem they dont know how to controll tells which doesnt matter that much in low stakes but mid stakes it matter
Having taught myself online and using my own super simple offline learning technique, I'm happy to hear live poker in the lower tiers is easier and more profitable. I'll try it out.
One thing to note with live is that it sort of has to be way softer (or way higher stake) for lot of good players to play in same table. As you play such small amount of hands per hour. In online it can be ok to have just one fish or maybe some weaker regs and table to be reasonable. But in live without bigger skill differences making sensible hourly is going to be impossible in long run. Obviously in single session variance can make it whatever.
depends on where you live ( country/region), whether live or online is harder in general imho for myself Online is much much tougher. Where I live we don't even have casino nearest is maybe a 6-7 hr drive away and live tournaments are sparse or your bound to spend way way more on travel expenses, buy-in, food + drink and accommodation can easily run you $1000 dollars upwards, so you need to win back the expenses spent before you even start looking at profit margins and worthwhile. Cash Games here at least are overun by only the wealthy or rich see players going all in junk forcing you to either join them with your entire stack risking going broke or getting riches, even though I don't like this style of poker because it gamble gamble too much, if you leave it for too long your be short stacked forced to go with ''marginal hand'' or call off with ''middling pair'', these min buyins are $50 +, Both examples your bound to run -EV on profits due to long term or short term being so highly volatile variable literally ( regardless how good you are) Massive difference to the Poker when you view on YT then you experiencing in real life or online on the felts Online tougher due to yes Information available and hand ranges tend to be more ''tricky'', live poker much more ''gamble'' type of players that and they are there to have a good time and somewhat be entertained on a night/evening out. Downsides to Online collusion can happen between players ( sick feeling ), bot scripts, heavy reliant on site operators for reliability and security, not 100% safe.
The thing is i am a 20 year old interested in poker bu i dont love the online aspect of poker i like to play live beacuse i get to intect with people have experiences with other human beings thats what i like abbout poker so i would rather play live tahn online so what woud you recomend as a leraning proces?
If what you like about poker is interacting with other people you should go to a party/dinner/movie with some friends and not have to risk losing money, or looking like a fool trying to make conversation at a poker table.
Find another way to interact, like a bar, club, whatever. I'm going to show up with headphones drowning out all noise. The only time you'll interact with me is to pass your chips. I'll smile in grattitude.
Even if one agrees with the premise, Black Friday greatly diminished the opportunity for U.S. players. I used to play a ton online. Maybe if online poker returns we can catch up with the rest of the world.
Another dope vid , as an aspiring professional poker player these videos provide so much value , even if it's about something I already know , listening to it again from a beast of the game adds so much context and information. Thanks alot Doug and Ryan.
I think online attracts more newcomers than live poker because theres somewhat an intimidation factor live and online ppl feel more comfortable to play in there house
beautiful hand from this past Saturday night...2/5 NL live. Older drunk guy is talking trash to everyone and playing over 50% of his hands. Younger "internet looking" (yea I know) type of guy sitting to my right barrels with AKo on a board of Q 8 6 x x rainbow flop. Old drunk guy calls him down for a $1K pot with 55 !!! Brilliant !!
It's so interesting, I've had the polar opposite experience. I struggle with live poker vs online and I am unsure if that is due to nerves or what, but I hope to figure it out.
nerves are hard to keep calm in a big bluff/hand /pot, shakily grabbing chips when u have the nuts haha, its a horrible spot to be in. Hope u get there bud
@james b but you get that at virtually every level. i don't think the format defines the strength of the players/pool unless you're talking sites like ACR or Ignition but i get what OP means
I'm one of those live AK folding lunatic nits! Whenever I get 3-bet by a weak tight player who hasn't touched his chips in an hour I know he's just splashing around with 3-8.
Cool stuff in the video. QUESTION: I only play live. No internet. I grind 1/2€ & 2/5€ profitably for the last 5 years, and now for a living. I have been playing in many European countries, all profitable. The question is: what am I missing because I haven't played on line, and is there something that I should do to compensate for the lack of internet play?
xxxViceroyxxx "stiff competition" this is way too general of a statement. When on-line players sit on a live table, I am the stiff competition. I am the one with the good win rate and they are the ones with the inefficiencies. Probably some of them will adjust, but as I see this will be a slow process and most of them won't be able to adjust at all. So please if you have some words of wisdom for me: in your opinion, what exactly am I missing playing only live? Thanx
xxxViceroyxxx thanks for the insight. I understand the logic behind optimal plays and changes to the game. I doubt though that the online players are the best at any table. From my 5-6 year experience playing live almost every day in many countries I found out that internet player are naked without their hud statistics. Also because they play many tables online they become very picky, to the point that in a live table they catch QsJs in MP1 and they don't know what to do with it because online they fold it! But when you are dealt 20-25 hands/hour in live play you cannot fold it.
any tips for live would be much appreciated by me honestly as im considering just giving it a try as never been as seems intimidating ha and id prob have to get the train into london and go one of the casinos there to do it but really do want to give it a try. jroffe9992@gmail.com
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Here's a live poker hand I got a kick out of. I was playing 1/2 and a 5/10 game opened behind my table. I stroll over to the 5/10 table and see this: About a 200 dollar pot between a guy out of position and someone in position. 77K rainbow. The guy out of position bets pretty big, about 70% pot. He gets called. Turn totally bricks, 2 of diamonds lets say, all suits represented. He bets again about 70% pot. Gets called. River's an Ace. He shoves for about 500 in to 700, gets called, flips over A9 and the other guy flips over AK. I was amazed by the uncontrolled aggression the guy with A9 showed. He was out of position barreling large 3 streets in to someone. His bet of 70% pot on the flop is not optimal either from what I understand, his whole range should be about 30-45% pot because of the 77k rainbow board. Then he bets the turn after getting called. He has total air, no reason to bluff here, and he's out of position. The river is an ace. Then when he FINALLY picks up equity in the hand by the river he decided to shove, which makes no sense to me. You just picked up equity, you can now win at show down, why not go check check and hope to beat a king? Anyways, please comment back I would like to know your thoughts on this hand, and sorry for the incomplete information.
Yeah this is pretty typical for live game. You'll see a lot of mergy mergy bets, right in the middle of the range. Bettin or raising so as to make your opponent fold all worse hands and call all better ones. It happens when someone just decides they want to win this particular hand, they get some kind of tell or feel or something. Also many people don't feel comfortable bluffing with complete air. Be careful not to bluffcatch too light against players like this.
I think he is trying to get value from a king. In my experience its not unreasonable for a king to call the river and he may believe a 7x hand is very unlikely for whatever reason.
Back when online poker began, this was 100% wrong. Now, after Black Friday, and in the modern time I would tend to agree somewhat. That said, if you do well playing 2-4 no limit online, and you haven't gotten good at reading body language, this isn't the time to jump into a 5-10 or higher NL at the Casino. Stay at the stakes you are normally playing online, and get comfortable noticing body language and consistently win before you move up. Their is a difference between recreational players at the casino, and the serious live players. Plus, you need to realize, that you are playing a lot less hands live, and once you are stuck, you oftentimes need to call it a night, and come back fresh, to be able to overcome the variance
Honestly Gary I am going to have to disagree. I think anyone that beats 2/4 online would very quickly be one of the biggest winner in any 5/10 live game. I would compare 5/10 live to .5/1 online. I think there is definitely some virtue to being comfortable live, reading body language, and having a certain expectation for what to expect, but the fact of the matter is that online poker is SO much tougher than live almost seems like play money in comparison.
I like your thoughts on game play but putting a 2/4 online player into a game that could have 8-10 grand on the table will affect you the first few times ,not to mention TOKES,TILT ,TELLS and ANGLE SHOOTERS . I think he would retreat to online rather than invest most of his money into a bigger game with wilder swings...
the variance live can be so tilting as people are calling so much more and you play so little hands per hour => a variance downswing can last for weeks or even months and there is nothing you can do about it => you likely end up not getting premium hands all in pre anymore against spewy players after you lost those spots for weeks
Yeah, live, AK needs to be 3-b & fold to a 4-b jam, you are risking 1000s of $ to flop an A or a K, if you are against AA or KK especially AA you are losing. Online, it’s different as people respect your 3-b & fold, you can run multiple times, online the guy might be playing with his last 100$ & need to wait for his paycheck, so might fold JJ/QQ pre when you 4-b jam or 3-b heavy as the guy might think he is against AA/KK. Live it’s different, people have a lot of money/ they just call you down with top-pair like 9 high flop 952, you 3-b with AK, guy calls you down with Q9. Live is different, you either play GTO pot control or just Fold AK on dry boards
Alec Torelli's Hidden Chips Hey, thanks for the response. I always change my game, I play a lot aggressive exploitative live & online I play GTO, pot control as players are far better & have been playing for atleast 10-20 years & cant be that easily exploited. Most of the live players are fish & mostly recreational.I’m a 2/5, 5/10 player live & online I usually play 1/2 & 2/4, Played 5/10 couple of times & it’s hard to exploit online 5/10 players
@@shadowsmessage thanks for the reply tho I agree with everything you said I play live cash as well but mainly focus on ACR tourneys and some live events
Once online poker should stops rebuy system..... Online poker will be base on skilled but rebuy system has made online poker into complete luck based and gambling. Online poker poker should be ban, 2 rebuy is ok but unlimited rebuy.... Everybody will losing eventually... How comes only few player wins always unless they have access to see your card and change their card in mid-way in the hands. And one way to win in long run is that online you have to be very rich and or willing to ruin your family and you'll win once for your satisfaction. Reply what you think.
If you have the money to go play, then go play! Don't take more than you're willing to lose and if you do happen to lose realize that it was a good learning experience either way!
Do you A.) Have $100-$300 to spend in one night without it ruining you if you lose? B.) Live near or can travel to a Casino that has a regular 1-2 nl game? If the answers are yes are yes you are ready to take a stab. Its low stakes poker.....not fucking brain surgery.
Hey Fee, I'd be interested in some of the adjustments that you make going to live PLO from online PLO 6-max or HU. I have done a few sessions at Maryland Live (don't know if you have ever played there) but safe to say the competition is nowhere near what you find online. I understand that some of the differences simply stem from the nature of a full-ring game but I found live excruciatingly slow. It was definitely a situation where online all the poor play (mostly from preflop calls) couldn't be punished as quickly because it takes so long before the situations come up where they, for instance, overplay a strong non-nut draw, hand and lose their stack.
kdub77 How do yall live players feel about new players? i've goofed off a little with buddies, but no real games, and wanted to try it out. Would they just get frustrated with someone as new as me? would about $1,000 be enough for a pretty good poker session?
Had this hand in live 2/5 game today. KQo with K of diamonds in bb. 3 limps I opt to check behind (this is like the very top of my check behind range). Q106 all diamond flop. I lead 20 into 30~ pot. Co limpet calls everyone else folds. 7c on the turn. I continue with 45 into 70. Co flats. River 7h. Pot 180. I think i need to bet here to balance all the A of diamonds/KJ bluffs im going to have a lot here by betting my stronger queens as the bottom of my value range. I bet 120 and get raised to 300. I paid off I think I have too given the 2:1 and how the hand played out. Ran into 66 but whatever. My main question is do you agree with my river bet? I don't think I have enough flushes and two pairs to balance my bluffs without some queens. The call off fine?
David H u say pay off cuz 2:1 but what bluffs does he have for u to be correct 33% of the time? Maybe Ad blocker and that's about it. Don't think he's calling two streets on a straight draw on a monotone flop. Check call river or bet fold.
+RiyuichiAndAllan A2-A9 with A of diamonds, j8-j9 with j of diamonds. I also thought he had less value in his range given his incredibly docile line on a sloppy wet flop. And if I'm folding this that means I'm only calling with flushes? And maybe AQ? Doesn't seem like enough hands without KQ. Having the K of diamonds isn't the greatest though I'm blocking a good number of bluffs. It feels close.
Online poker players are notorious for having horrible table etiquette and sucking the fun out of the game. It's kind of ironic because in a live poker setting its us live poker pros that really see the online guys as being clueless. Word of advice, be nicer to the fish, and leave your headphones and iPads at home.
i think its reversed , Live is much much harder to play atleast where i live (in holland). I can play online at 2 tables each @5/10$ and win on average 75 to 100 an hour , while when i am playing live here in a casino at only one table 5/10(euro's) i always losse , and its not because i am bad at live poker its just because most people who live close to me and go to my local casino are just really damnn good at what they do. i always seem to make stupid mistakes by misreading a player live , when playing onine this is just not the case for me , unless i am all in say AA (preflop) and losse to a donkey calling with 7-8(s) and getting lucky and hitting the flush otherwise i usually make a decent profit online ,and no i am no pro by any means i just play 2 to 3 times a week for a couple of hours.
MrRoyalFlush Games I think they are different skills, I wouldn’t say one is harder. I am not that good at online but I crush it at the casino live games. They are all very skilled players too. We will get an occasional fish but everyone there knows how to play a mixed range and it’s hard to tell who has what. I think you need different skills live. You may have some tells that you don’t even realize when you get hands. It is a lot more intimate and can be more intimidating playing live also. I play online for fun sometimes and it’s real easy to hide behind that computer screen. Not so much when your opponent is staring you down. They are definitely two different skills but I can see how you think what you think. I think the same about online. I also don’t trust ignition poker and think there could be some cheatiNg on their site ;)
I think the money makes all the difference. People say online is equal to 10 times live. A 1/2 player online can't smash a 5/10 live game, let alone a 10/20 game. When the bet is $12, it's different than $120. If it was even remotely true, every online player who was decent would move to where they could play live. The two games are different in the reasons mentioned in the vid. You are playing more guys who are limited funds or playing 10 tables. Money is the equalizer. There are guys who will break you live because they can afford to make plays. They then pressure you into mistakes. You just can't do that with quarters.
I think it's important to specify that these tips are for beginners comparing online & live.....No? Otherwise... Completely disagree with your first point! It's a huge generalisation saying that online players are stronger than live players, particularly justifying it saying that kids have less money so will play better. I play in Macau, usually 100-200 HKD (15-25USD) cash games and I guarantee the field is tougher, wiser, more experienced than a 25 buck sit and go online! Sure you see your opponents leaks quicker live but you also have many more of your own live leaks to consider! Plus the fact that there is an abundance of software out there i.e range visualisers etc to aid your play online, which tends to equal the playing field. So yes, agree that this is applicable for beginner level but upwards from there I think live poker can be much more complexed and it takes a lot longer to maintain steady profit.
love your ideas ryan. some constructive criticism though. try to find some other ways to say "sort of". i know you are probably cognizant of it but as a fellow content creator, it is something i notice. some suggestions: kinda, in a way, in many cases, or simply try to omit completely. great information. i learned a lot from your commentary. keep up the good work. 👊
Online seems easier because all 8 players are represented by those little figures, money, bets, raises are all more starkly clear. Also, far more hands are played per hour so you get a better view of each player's range. The "type" of player (calling station, loose, aggressive, beginner, pro etc) is far more obvious. The harder thing are the length of each round in tourney play. For instance playing a fast game with 15 minute rounds is far different than playing hour rounds. The PROBLEM in online poker - is collusion is waaaaay easier.
played a weird hand at a live game where I was bluffing for $700 on the river in a 1-3 game with AK high and got called by a worse A high. we started the hand like 1000bbs deep, we played for about 18 hours, there was a drunk spewtard at our table who emptied his pockets to me and 3 other people. so anyways a few limpers on my bb I have AK I raise 10x to 30, dude limp raises to 150. I smooth call, being so deep stacked reraising seems bad. flop was 458 with two clubs I have A of clubs. he shouldn't hit this board because there's a huge bad beat jackpot of about 500k so he played very friendly with suited connecters, his raise preflop takes those hands out of his range. I check call 250. turn is 7 of diamonds. I donk bet 350. check folding, check calling and check raising all seemed bad, and I think I can rep small cards here. he snap calls which I took as a sign of weakness, it felt like he was trying to intimidate me. river the board pairs 8 and I bet $700 which is the cap in this game and he tank calls with A9. Apparently I picked a bad time to try and make him fold JJ? Also, perhaps the greatest value bet of all time?
Where in the world is $700 the cap on anything ever. Sounds like you made this up on the spot. Apparently you picked a bad time to make up a story on the spot.
Warwick Farguson good lord. This hand was definitely butchered. You're obviously up against a fish if he's 3 betting your raise of 100 to 150. AK has so much equity against pretty much any hand. I'd rather you 4bet than flat. After the flop, you're relying on some weird, faulty reads instead of just playing good poker.
Doesnt having a tracker, make it easier to catch cheaters? Also, ever wonder why you see the 1 table with 12 ppl in que. Look up the players sitting there, for the cash cow. :)
Live poker is the spice of life. You have to see the man. Online has math advantages and stats HUD available; people play like algorithms. Live, you must look into the eyes and soul and judge merit. You kids have no idea what this means. The people at a live table are not just gamblers who play poker and also bet on things like basketball games; just rec.. They are people who are used to dealing with real live human psychology. They are the ones who can smell the deception, feel the energy, play a part for real - not behind a screen. This bleeds over into real life and all real interactions. Not some digital illusion of reality. Don´t shit on us. Come and sit down.
The only reason why live poker is easier is because there's no hud to tell you shit about people and you have to do everything by yourself while hud ruined poker since it gives you all the crappy stats that a human can't do himself. That's why old poker was better, with isildur, ivey dwan etc, no hud crap.
HUDs come with a learning curve. It takes a considerable amount of time to be able to first gather and THEN correctly interpret the data of a HUD. It's not as if the data is automatically translated into decisions for the player. Additionally, HUDs don't help you to construct your ranges to maximize EV nor prevent exploitation. They only give you a basic, skeletal framework for exploitative play against opponents that you've gathered statistically significant samples of. Online poker is tougher for so many more reasons than the presence of HUDs. Players who play solely online make better decisions because they are more experienced than live players. This is because the number of hands online players see per hour is far higher than the number that live players see, due to fixed time limits, multi-tabling, and a software dealer. This means players who spend an equivalent amount of time live and online are not equivalently experienced. Additionally, online players are often more technically sound, meaning that they understand the mathematics of the game better. It's necessary to understand the math behind decisions because online players have no additional sources of information that live players may have (physical tells). In order to be +EV over a significant sample, a player needs to be TRULY better at decision making and range construction than the field he is playing. In order to do this, online players have incorporated study tools (not just simple HUDs) that live players have never even heard about. These tools include toy games, simulations (like CREV, PioSolver, GTORB), and for some adepts, even advanced math. Obviously, these tools take a LONG time to implement into your game. For example, one CREV simulation could take an entire day to run correctly, and that's for ONE board (flop, turn, and river) against ONE player heads up. This is also the reason why players have taken quite a few years in order to take just a few more steps to being "GTO." I'd like to stress that the lessons learned from these study tools carry over to live play and create far stronger results than just using a HUD properly. If they have truly digested this information, top online players can exert a significant edge playing live even without being technologically assisted while playing.
YoungNiggaElec I don't care if takes time to learn an hud or not, the possibility to work on it is still there, which is something a human can't do live. If you take the highest cash game winning cumulated in the world, negranu is dominating it and he's a live player and can't even beat NL50 online, not because online players are better, but because the player pool is so polarized with different stupid plays and some few good players that 95% of the field end up a losing/break even player. In live poker, there's certain spot where you can make the right decision because the player is in front of you and you saw how he played and his tendencies, online you can't do that because players just click buttons and the good players get fishy when tilted so their play is never the same. I'm not saying online isn't beatable, it is, i'm a NL25 grinder, but the luck factor comes a lot more into play than live because there's not much difference in stakes except your bankroll management.
Isildur and Dwan STARTED playing online and HUDs were occasionally used in those sessions depending on the game. It's also not even close to "old poker". Isildur especially only became a big name in 2009 and Dwan is still considered one of the older new school players.. Also, HUDs are useful I won't deny it but it's not the be all end all of online poker. For example playing Zoom on Stars often you don't get enough data on players to use your HUD efficiently so you're quite often playing blind anyway and any info you might get often only hints at tendencies rather than explicitly state them. A truly great player can beat Zoom at all levels no HUD at all. It wouldn't be easy but it's definitely possible. Also Negreanu is not dominating cash games at all. He's had many HORRIBLE seasons on high stakes live poker. He's not even close to one of the biggest cash game winners. In fact he's a massively losing player in most televised high stakes cash game shows.
***** 'occasionally did use HUD' No they didn't lol, they openly said in an interview they never used one and they didn't like the idea of it and that's the main reasons big high stakes online pros stopped playing on the net and rather play in private games in Macau
Nazim Sorry, worded it badly, I meant in the Durrrr/Isildur sessions depending on what they were playing not specifically by them but by other high/mid stake pros of the time.
This was true all the way around. I obliterate live and I get crushed online. Further, I win at a better rate than the players who do come from online. I see them do shit like call because "that's one of the best hands I can have there". I'm think "yeah. Doesn't help when he always has the nuts!" Another classic..."his line makes no sense". Well, thats because he has no sense. lol. One pair no good brah! Flod. hahaha
Lol yeah some online guys annoy the shit out of me at the poker table. They act like everyone should know how to play solid poker and they will act baffled whenever a live player does something dumb. Its just them trying to advertise their superiority mostly.
The biggest reason online poker is harder is it's rigged with malicious computer software controlling the cards and giving people way more bad beats than supposed to. Live poker is not.
If you can prove that ANY site uses rigged software they would face A) fines (millions of dollars) and B) lawsuits (for millions of dollars). Bad beats happen and the better you are the more bad beats you get since a bad beat requires you to get your money in vs a worse hand which should happen a lot if you're good. I would love to go all in 1000 times AA vs 77 even though I would have 200 bad beats, would you?
@@mariusm5660 Preflop 77 vs AA is about 4:1 dog. If none of the suits match (for example AsAc vs 7d7h) I would get 213 bad beats (on average, AA wins 79.74%) and if all the suits match (AsAc vs 7s7c) I would have 191 bad beats, AA wins 80.97% here. Dunno where you got 350 from my dude.
youve got to be kidding me?? online poker is easier , much easier. the real poker players play and win live tournaments. its more complicated. online poker is just a shove match. this is a fucking joke. i like this guy though, so i forgive him for this misinformation
this is one of the delusions that addicted poker players tell themselves: "I could always move to live poker, that is easier, all the time I've invested is not wasted". Yet it makes no sense, think about it: it takes ten times more effort and time to go to a live casino and play live poker, than to open a computer and play online. Thus the weak players are not motivated to both lose money and on top of it go to a casino and lose time while getting bored. If you are looking at this in 2021, I feel sorry for you, and hope Knish still has that truck.
Definitely selling live players short here. I think a lot of internet players like to tell you all the stuff they know and how they would have bet. Us wise old players like to play dumb and pretend to not know what ranges, blockers etc are.
Live players are not ALL wizards. Internet players are not ALL wizards. Online players are generally better. If you put an above average online player at a live table they would be bored to death because you have to be VERY patient.
Regardless of all of that, Poker was meant to be played live competitively. Online poker players are playing half the game and being "successful". This has got to be one of the dumbest opinions I've ever heard on the matter.
Online is so hard because of the collusion, the HUDs and databases and just the idiot players getting lucky. Most online players would get crushed in no time if they played live games.
Definitely agree with this, I started online and the comp was much more tough, then going to local casino/poker hall, WAY more casual than I had expected, lots of old guys/retired folks who just wanted to have fun who really didn't have much poker theory or discipline in their game, just played aggressive. If you have a good head on your shoulders and understand the game fairly well, you'll clean up at live games
i agree with this but most online players when go to live have a problem they dont know how to controll tells which doesnt matter that much in low stakes but mid stakes it matter
So you're saying there's a chance.....
Always :D
Jaja, good line
dumb and dumber, love that hahaahhahaahha
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More like 1 out of a million
I went from 25NL (and a little 50NL) straight to live 2/5 and the moment I saw all those limps I was like “You gotta be fcking kidding me right now”.
hahaha awesome, its an aquarium lol, dont tap the glass
Having taught myself online and using my own super simple offline learning technique, I'm happy to hear live poker in the lower tiers is easier and more profitable. I'll try it out.
One thing to note with live is that it sort of has to be way softer (or way higher stake) for lot of good players to play in same table. As you play such small amount of hands per hour. In online it can be ok to have just one fish or maybe some weaker regs and table to be reasonable. But in live without bigger skill differences making sensible hourly is going to be impossible in long run. Obviously in single session variance can make it whatever.
depends on where you live ( country/region), whether live or online is harder in general imho for myself Online is much much tougher.
Where I live we don't even have casino nearest is maybe a 6-7 hr drive away and live tournaments are sparse or your bound to spend way way more on travel expenses, buy-in, food + drink and accommodation can easily run you $1000 dollars upwards, so you need to win back the expenses spent before you even start looking at profit margins and worthwhile.
Cash Games here at least are overun by only the wealthy or rich see players going all in junk forcing you to either join them with your entire stack risking going broke or getting riches, even though I don't like this style of poker because it gamble gamble too much, if you leave it for too long your be short stacked forced to go with ''marginal hand'' or call off with ''middling pair'', these min buyins are $50 +,
Both examples your bound to run -EV on profits due to long term or short term being so highly volatile variable literally
( regardless how good you are)
Massive difference to the Poker when you view on YT then you experiencing in real life or online on the felts
Online tougher due to yes Information available and hand ranges tend to be more ''tricky'', live poker much more ''gamble'' type of players that and they are there to have a good time and somewhat be entertained on a night/evening out.
Downsides to Online collusion can happen between players ( sick feeling ), bot scripts, heavy reliant on site operators for reliability and security, not 100% safe.
The thing is i am a 20 year old interested in poker bu i dont love the online aspect of poker i like to play live beacuse i get to intect with people have experiences with other human beings thats what i like abbout poker so i would rather play live tahn online so what woud you recomend as a leraning proces?
If what you like about poker is interacting with other people you should go to a party/dinner/movie with some friends and not have to risk losing money, or looking like a fool trying to make conversation at a poker table.
Yawg moth you're very young
Find another way to interact, like a bar, club, whatever. I'm going to show up with headphones drowning out all noise. The only time you'll interact with me is to pass your chips. I'll smile in grattitude.
Even if one agrees with the premise, Black Friday greatly diminished the opportunity for U.S. players. I used to play a ton online. Maybe if online poker returns we can catch up with the rest of the world.
Another dope vid , as an aspiring professional poker player these videos provide so much value , even if it's about something I already know , listening to it again from a beast of the game adds so much context and information. Thanks alot Doug and Ryan.
You are welcome Joao! We are glad we can help :)
Did you make it as a pro?
@@highstakes1235 you ever heard of him? Obviously not lol.
I think online attracts more newcomers than live poker because theres somewhat an intimidation factor live and online ppl feel more comfortable to play in there house
beautiful hand from this past Saturday night...2/5 NL live. Older drunk guy is talking trash to everyone and playing over 50% of his hands. Younger "internet looking" (yea I know) type of guy sitting to my right barrels with AKo on a board of Q 8 6 x x rainbow flop. Old drunk guy calls him down for a $1K pot with 55 !!! Brilliant !!
that's some advanced GTO calldown unblocking bluffs 😂
It's so interesting, I've had the polar opposite experience. I struggle with live poker vs online and I am unsure if that is due to nerves or what, but I hope to figure it out.
nerves are hard to keep calm in a big bluff/hand /pot, shakily grabbing chips when u have the nuts haha, its a horrible spot to be in. Hope u get there bud
Thanks for the insight with poker. Love your videos.
You're Welcome :)
id say online mtts are a lot softer than live mtts.
@james b but you get that at virtually every level. i don't think the format defines the strength of the players/pool unless you're talking sites like ACR or Ignition but i get what OP means
I use to say it's easier to win a dollar live than a penny online.
Wow. I might kill it when I try live. I'm excited.
When i played 200NL live, people were just ripping it in all the time. It was like playing the end of a Sng online.
I'm one of those live AK folding lunatic nits! Whenever I get 3-bet by a weak tight player who hasn't touched his chips in an hour I know he's just splashing around with 3-8.
Your comment makes no sense. Why would you fold AK if you know he has 83?
Beacuase 8 3 Will Open is rigged
Cool stuff in the video.
QUESTION: I only play live. No internet. I grind 1/2€ & 2/5€ profitably for the last 5 years, and now for a living. I have been playing in many European countries, all profitable. The question is: what am I missing because I haven't played on line, and is there something that I should do to compensate for the lack of internet play?
xxxViceroyxxx "stiff competition" this is way too general of a statement.
When on-line players sit on a live table, I am the stiff competition. I am the one with the good win rate and they are the ones with the inefficiencies. Probably some of them will adjust, but as I see this will be a slow process and most of them won't be able to adjust at all.
So please if you have some words of wisdom for me: in your opinion, what exactly am I missing playing only live?
Thanx
xxxViceroyxxx thanks for the insight. I understand the logic behind optimal plays and changes to the game.
I doubt though that the online players are the best at any table.
From my 5-6 year experience playing live almost every day in many countries I found out that internet player are naked without their hud statistics. Also because they play many tables online they become very picky, to the point that in a live table they catch QsJs in MP1 and they don't know what to do with it because online they fold it! But when you are dealt 20-25 hands/hour in live play you cannot fold it.
any tips for live would be much appreciated by me honestly as im considering just giving it a try as never been as seems intimidating ha and id prob have to get the train into london and go one of the casinos there to do it but really do want to give it a try.
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Smart guy I can appreciate the intelligence.
Thanks cg :)
Here's a live poker hand I got a kick out of. I was playing 1/2 and a 5/10 game opened behind my table. I stroll over to the 5/10 table and see this: About a 200 dollar pot between a guy out of position and someone in position. 77K rainbow. The guy out of position bets pretty big, about 70% pot. He gets called. Turn totally bricks, 2 of diamonds lets say, all suits represented. He bets again about 70% pot. Gets called. River's an Ace. He shoves for about 500 in to 700, gets called, flips over A9 and the other guy flips over AK. I was amazed by the uncontrolled aggression the guy with A9 showed. He was out of position barreling large 3 streets in to someone. His bet of 70% pot on the flop is not optimal either from what I understand, his whole range should be about 30-45% pot because of the 77k rainbow board. Then he bets the turn after getting called. He has total air, no reason to bluff here, and he's out of position. The river is an ace. Then when he FINALLY picks up equity in the hand by the river he decided to shove, which makes no sense to me. You just picked up equity, you can now win at show down, why not go check check and hope to beat a king? Anyways, please comment back I would like to know your thoughts on this hand, and sorry for the incomplete information.
Yeah this is pretty typical for live game. You'll see a lot of mergy mergy bets, right in the middle of the range. Bettin or raising so as to make your opponent fold all worse hands and call all better ones.
It happens when someone just decides they want to win this particular hand, they get some kind of tell or feel or something. Also many people don't feel comfortable bluffing with complete air.
Be careful not to bluffcatch too light against players like this.
I think he is trying to get value from a king. In my experience its not unreasonable for a king to call the river and he may believe a 7x hand is very unlikely for whatever reason.
What would you recommend for people that live in a state where you can't gamble online????
move
Downloaded vpn
Que es lo mejor que les ha podido pasar
Back when online poker began, this was 100% wrong. Now, after Black Friday, and in the modern time I would tend to agree somewhat. That said, if you do well playing 2-4 no limit online, and you haven't gotten good at reading body language, this isn't the time to jump into a 5-10 or higher NL at the Casino. Stay at the stakes you are normally playing online, and get comfortable noticing body language and consistently win before you move up. Their is a difference between recreational players at the casino, and the serious live players. Plus, you need to realize, that you are playing a lot less hands live, and once you are stuck, you oftentimes need to call it a night, and come back fresh, to be able to overcome the variance
Honestly Gary I am going to have to disagree. I think anyone that beats 2/4 online would very quickly be one of the biggest winner in any 5/10 live game. I would compare 5/10 live to .5/1 online. I think there is definitely some virtue to being comfortable live, reading body language, and having a certain expectation for what to expect, but the fact of the matter is that online poker is SO much tougher than live almost seems like play money in comparison.
I like your thoughts on game play but putting a 2/4 online player into a game that could have 8-10 grand on the table will affect you the first few times ,not to mention TOKES,TILT ,TELLS and ANGLE SHOOTERS . I think he would retreat to online rather than invest most of his money into a bigger game with wilder swings...
Gary is a fish…terrible advice here
the variance live can be so tilting as people are calling so much more and you play so little hands per hour => a variance downswing can last for weeks or even months and there is nothing you can do about it => you likely end up not getting premium hands all in pre anymore against spewy players after you lost those spots for weeks
Well, you could stop blaming "variance" and start playing better. Have you tried/considered that?
many live players play online aswell
Where do you play? At the low stakes across the US this isn't true.
Mel Finehout... where CAN one play online in the US?
America's card room (aka ACR) Ignition casino and carbon poker are the ones I've played. There are a few others.
hey ryan do you still stream? i enjoy your highlight videos a lot
I will, probably in a couple weeks. I have been busy the last month or so.
11:09 Phil Ivey ;)
Lol when live low stakes players complain about ace king
Yeah, live, AK needs to be 3-b & fold to a 4-b jam, you are risking 1000s of $ to flop an A or a K, if you are against AA or KK especially AA you are losing. Online, it’s different as people respect your 3-b & fold, you can run multiple times, online the guy might be playing with his last 100$ & need to wait for his paycheck, so might fold JJ/QQ pre when you 4-b jam or 3-b heavy as the guy might think he is against AA/KK. Live it’s different, people have a lot of money/ they just call you down with top-pair like 9 high flop 952, you 3-b with AK, guy calls you down with Q9. Live is different, you either play GTO pot control or just Fold AK on dry boards
@@shadowsmessage you've got it all wrong every situation is different.. gto should be your backbone but don't be afraid to exploit the game
Alec Torelli's Hidden Chips Hey, thanks for the response. I always change my game, I play a lot aggressive exploitative live & online I play GTO, pot control as players are far better & have been playing for atleast 10-20 years & cant be that easily exploited. Most of the live players are fish & mostly recreational.I’m a 2/5, 5/10 player live & online I usually play 1/2 & 2/4, Played 5/10 couple of times & it’s hard to exploit online 5/10 players
@@shadowsmessage online 1/2 is about 10x tougher than live 1/2
@@shadowsmessage thanks for the reply tho I agree with everything you said I play live cash as well but mainly focus on ACR tourneys and some live events
Good info thanks
Once online poker should stops rebuy system..... Online poker will be base on skilled but rebuy system has made online poker into complete luck based and gambling. Online poker poker should be ban, 2 rebuy is ok but unlimited rebuy.... Everybody will losing eventually... How comes only few player wins always unless they have access to see your card and change their card in mid-way in the hands. And one way to win in long run is that online you have to be very rich and or willing to ruin your family and you'll win once for your satisfaction. Reply what you think.
I live in Australia big brother is trying to shut down online poker
How do I know when I'm ready to take a stab at one $1/$2 live? My regular game is .02/.05 on Ignition/Bovada.
If you have the money to go play, then go play! Don't take more than you're willing to lose and if you do happen to lose realize that it was a good learning experience either way!
Do you A.) Have $100-$300 to spend in one night without it ruining you if you lose?
B.) Live near or can travel to a Casino that has a regular 1-2 nl game? If the answers are yes are yes you are ready to take a stab. Its low stakes poker.....not fucking brain surgery.
anyone know how to play online poker if I live in tx? obviously not legal in tx, but I hear people still do it ?
try bovada poker i heard they are trustworthy
klet marriet I'll look into that, thanks for the tip
it's called Science I'm in the same boat. Hell, it's called Texas Hold 'em, you'd expect it to not be treated like a damn drug here..
ignition casino or America cardroom
betonline
True but you don't see one or two player's busting on the same table every 20 minutes Live.
whats. a good bank roll to start with for 5, 10 or higher stakes?
Crookedflush 20 buy ins for any stake.
Lauro Padilla I think you mean 20
Big blinds right?
@@goldenbanjo197 No they meant buy-ins, as the question was about a bankroll. And 20 is on the light side.
Hey Fee, I'd be interested in some of the adjustments that you make going to live PLO from online PLO 6-max or HU. I have done a few sessions at Maryland Live (don't know if you have ever played there) but safe to say the competition is nowhere near what you find online. I understand that some of the differences simply stem from the nature of a full-ring game but I found live excruciatingly slow.
It was definitely a situation where online all the poor play (mostly from preflop calls) couldn't be punished as quickly because it takes so long before the situations come up where they, for instance, overplay a strong non-nut draw, hand and lose their stack.
Probably play looser preflop, 3-bet a bit tighter especially vs the EP raise, and then just mostly put them on AAxx vs 3bet.
PLO live is the slowest game you could possibly play.
Can anyone suggest a few online poker websites for an average player for real money please? Thanks.
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I had to listen to this one twice.
online poker is a thousand times better then playing live. more convenient more comfortable and better variety.
kdub77 How do yall live players feel about new players? i've goofed off a little with buddies, but no real games, and wanted to try it out. Would they just get frustrated with someone as new as me? would about $1,000 be enough for a pretty good poker session?
just show up Tony, people will view you as a fish until you show your first set..
who doesnt like poker while taking a dump
in that way yes but theres something stuff better live emotion and the rng cuz rng and no bots also tells
well done
Had this hand in live 2/5 game today. KQo with K of diamonds in bb. 3 limps I opt to check behind (this is like the very top of my check behind range). Q106 all diamond flop. I lead 20 into 30~ pot. Co limpet calls everyone else folds. 7c on the turn. I continue with 45 into 70. Co flats. River 7h. Pot 180. I think i need to bet here to balance all the A of diamonds/KJ bluffs im going to have a lot here by betting my stronger queens as the bottom of my value range. I bet 120 and get raised to 300. I paid off I think I have too given the 2:1 and how the hand played out. Ran into 66 but whatever. My main question is do you agree with my river bet? I don't think I have enough flushes and two pairs to balance my bluffs without some queens. The call off fine?
160 on turn*
Sorry I messed up typing this I forgot I was in position the other player wasn't co it was the Sb. His line was c/c, c/c, c/r.
what did he end up having?
David H u say pay off cuz 2:1 but what bluffs does he have for u to be correct 33% of the time? Maybe Ad blocker and that's about it. Don't think he's calling two streets on a straight draw on a monotone flop. Check call river or bet fold.
+RiyuichiAndAllan A2-A9 with A of diamonds, j8-j9 with j of diamonds. I also thought he had less value in his range given his incredibly docile line on a sloppy wet flop. And if I'm folding this that means I'm only calling with flushes? And maybe AQ? Doesn't seem like enough hands without KQ. Having the K of diamonds isn't the greatest though I'm blocking a good number of bluffs. It feels close.
Online poker players are notorious for having horrible table etiquette and sucking the fun out of the game.
It's kind of ironic because in a live poker setting its us live poker pros that really see the online guys as being clueless.
Word of advice, be nicer to the fish, and leave your headphones and iPads at home.
lol shut up you numbskull. If i dont want to talk to people the table and simply play poker and listen to musc whats wrong with that?
⚡⚡ realized equity is a great term⚡⚡
poker is hard
i think its reversed , Live is much much harder to play atleast where i live (in holland). I can play online at 2 tables each @5/10$ and win on average 75 to 100 an hour , while when i am playing live here in a casino at only one table 5/10(euro's) i always losse , and its not because i am bad at live poker its just because most people who live close to me and go to my local casino are just really damnn good at what they do. i always seem to make stupid mistakes by misreading a player live , when playing onine this is just not the case for me , unless i am all in say AA (preflop) and losse to a donkey calling with 7-8(s) and getting lucky and hitting the flush otherwise i usually make a decent profit online ,and no i am no pro by any means i just play 2 to 3 times a week for a couple of hours.
MrRoyalFlush Games I think they are different skills, I wouldn’t say one is harder. I am not that good at online but I crush it at the casino live games. They are all very skilled players too. We will get an occasional fish but everyone there knows how to play a mixed range and it’s hard to tell who has what. I think you need different skills live. You may have some tells that you don’t even realize when you get hands. It is a lot more intimate and can be more intimidating playing live also. I play online for fun sometimes and it’s real easy to hide behind that computer screen. Not so much when your opponent is staring you down. They are definitely two different skills but I can see how you think what you think. I think the same about online. I also don’t trust ignition poker and think there could be some cheatiNg on their site ;)
Brilliant insight
So true u the realest fee
I think the money makes all the difference. People say online is equal to 10 times live. A 1/2 player online can't smash a 5/10 live game, let alone a 10/20 game. When the bet is $12, it's different than $120. If it was even remotely true, every online player who was decent would move to where they could play live.
The two games are different in the reasons mentioned in the vid. You are playing more guys who are limited funds or playing 10 tables. Money is the equalizer. There are guys who will break you live because they can afford to make plays. They then pressure you into mistakes. You just can't do that with quarters.
Im not a big fan of RNG programs even though im a winning player online id much rather play live
I think it's important to specify that these tips are for beginners comparing online & live.....No? Otherwise...
Completely disagree with your first point! It's a huge generalisation saying that online players are stronger than live players, particularly justifying it saying that kids have less money so will play better. I play in Macau, usually 100-200 HKD (15-25USD) cash games and I guarantee the field is tougher, wiser, more experienced than a 25 buck sit and go online!
Sure you see your opponents leaks quicker live but you also have many more of your own live leaks to consider! Plus the fact that there is an abundance of software out there i.e range visualisers etc to aid your play online, which tends to equal the playing field.
So yes, agree that this is applicable for beginner level but upwards from there I think live poker can be much more complexed and it takes a lot longer to maintain steady profit.
love your ideas ryan. some constructive criticism though. try to find some other ways to say "sort of". i know you are probably cognizant of it but as a fellow content creator, it is something i notice.
some suggestions: kinda, in a way, in many cases, or simply try to omit completely.
great information. i learned a lot from your commentary. keep up the good work. 👊
i came up online and play a ton of live, This video is completely backwards
where can i find a solid definition of gto vs exploitative. i just wanna know which basket i fall into.
upswingpoker.com
Online seems easier because all 8 players are represented by those little figures, money, bets, raises are all more starkly clear. Also, far more hands are played per hour so you get a better view of each player's range. The "type" of player (calling station, loose, aggressive, beginner, pro etc) is far more obvious. The harder thing are the length of each round in tourney play. For instance playing a fast game with 15 minute rounds is far different than playing hour rounds. The PROBLEM in online poker - is collusion is waaaaay easier.
Two words come to mind whenever I see Fees face: #Buttoff #Cotton
Sorry, had to :P
kinda lame humour
No idea what you even mean.
what the hell are u talking about-buttoff cotton whatthe hell
played a weird hand at a live game where I was bluffing for $700 on the river in a 1-3 game with AK high and got called by a worse A high. we started the hand like 1000bbs deep, we played for about 18 hours, there was a drunk spewtard at our table who emptied his pockets to me and 3 other people. so anyways a few limpers on my bb I have AK I raise 10x to 30, dude limp raises to 150. I smooth call, being so deep stacked reraising seems bad. flop was 458 with two clubs I have A of clubs. he shouldn't hit this board because there's a huge bad beat jackpot of about 500k so he played very friendly with suited connecters, his raise preflop takes those hands out of his range. I check call 250. turn is 7 of diamonds. I donk bet 350. check folding, check calling and check raising all seemed bad, and I think I can rep small cards here. he snap calls which I took as a sign of weakness, it felt like he was trying to intimidate me. river the board pairs 8 and I bet $700 which is the cap in this game and he tank calls with A9. Apparently I picked a bad time to try and make him fold JJ? Also, perhaps the greatest value bet of all time?
just a terrible butchered hand from start to finish
you just proved Ryan's premise (that live poker is ridic) soft :)
Where in the world is $700 the cap on anything ever. Sounds like you made this up on the spot. Apparently you picked a bad time to make up a story on the spot.
Warwick Farguson good lord. This hand was definitely butchered. You're obviously up against a fish if he's 3 betting your raise of 100 to 150. AK has so much equity against pretty much any hand. I'd rather you 4bet than flat. After the flop, you're relying on some weird, faulty reads instead of just playing good poker.
hotrodsather why don't you like up spread limit poker and state betting laws before making accusations. It's more common than you think
You played incredibly bad
good content, get a video editor
NO DUDE , AT ONLINE POKER IS EASIER TO CHEAT .. THATS IT PLAIN AND SIMPLE, THEY EVEN ALLOW TRACKING PROGRAM TO BE LEGAL ..
as far as tracking programs go, its not cheating if everyone is allowed to do it.
What’s that
Doesnt having a tracker, make it easier to catch cheaters? Also, ever wonder why you see the 1 table with 12 ppl in que. Look up the players sitting there, for the cash cow. :)
Live poker is the spice of life. You have to see the man. Online has math advantages and stats HUD available; people play like algorithms. Live, you must look into the eyes and soul and judge merit. You kids have no idea what this means.
The people at a live table are not just gamblers who play poker and also bet on things like basketball games; just rec.. They are people who are used to dealing with real live human psychology. They are the ones who can smell the deception, feel the energy, play a part for real - not behind a screen. This bleeds over into real life and all real interactions. Not some digital illusion of reality.
Don´t shit on us. Come and sit down.
The only reason why live poker is easier is because there's no hud to tell you shit about people and you have to do everything by yourself while hud ruined poker since it gives you all the crappy stats that a human can't do himself.
That's why old poker was better, with isildur, ivey dwan etc, no hud crap.
HUDs come with a learning curve. It takes a considerable amount of time to be able to first gather and THEN correctly interpret the data of a HUD. It's not as if the data is automatically translated into decisions for the player. Additionally, HUDs don't help you to construct your ranges to maximize EV nor prevent exploitation. They only give you a basic, skeletal framework for exploitative play against opponents that you've gathered statistically significant samples of.
Online poker is tougher for so many more reasons than the presence of HUDs. Players who play solely online make better decisions because they are more experienced than live players. This is because the number of hands online players see per hour is far higher than the number that live players see, due to fixed time limits, multi-tabling, and a software dealer. This means players who spend an equivalent amount of time live and online are not equivalently experienced.
Additionally, online players are often more technically sound, meaning that they understand the mathematics of the game better. It's necessary to understand the math behind decisions because online players have no additional sources of information that live players may have (physical tells). In order to be +EV over a significant sample, a player needs to be TRULY better at decision making and range construction than the field he is playing. In order to do this, online players have incorporated study tools (not just simple HUDs) that live players have never even heard about. These tools include toy games, simulations (like CREV, PioSolver, GTORB), and for some adepts, even advanced math. Obviously, these tools take a LONG time to implement into your game. For example, one CREV simulation could take an entire day to run correctly, and that's for ONE board (flop, turn, and river) against ONE player heads up. This is also the reason why players have taken quite a few years in order to take just a few more steps to being "GTO."
I'd like to stress that the lessons learned from these study tools carry over to live play and create far stronger results than just using a HUD properly. If they have truly digested this information, top online players can exert a significant edge playing live even without being technologically assisted while playing.
YoungNiggaElec I don't care if takes time to learn an hud or not, the possibility to work on it is still there, which is something a human can't do live.
If you take the highest cash game winning cumulated in the world, negranu is dominating it and he's a live player and can't even beat NL50 online, not because online players are better, but because the player pool is so polarized with different stupid plays and some few good players that 95% of the field end up a losing/break even player.
In live poker, there's certain spot where you can make the right decision because the player is in front of you and you saw how he played and his tendencies, online you can't do that because players just click buttons and the good players get fishy when tilted so their play is never the same.
I'm not saying online isn't beatable, it is, i'm a NL25 grinder, but the luck factor comes a lot more into play than live because there's not much difference in stakes except your bankroll management.
Isildur and Dwan STARTED playing online and HUDs were occasionally used in those sessions depending on the game. It's also not even close to "old poker". Isildur especially only became a big name in 2009 and Dwan is still considered one of the older new school players.. Also, HUDs are useful I won't deny it but it's not the be all end all of online poker. For example playing Zoom on Stars often you don't get enough data on players to use your HUD efficiently so you're quite often playing blind anyway and any info you might get often only hints at tendencies rather than explicitly state them. A truly great player can beat Zoom at all levels no HUD at all. It wouldn't be easy but it's definitely possible. Also Negreanu is not dominating cash games at all. He's had many HORRIBLE seasons on high stakes live poker. He's not even close to one of the biggest cash game winners. In fact he's a massively losing player in most televised high stakes cash game shows.
***** 'occasionally did use HUD'
No they didn't lol, they openly said in an interview they never used one and they didn't like the idea of it and that's the main reasons big high stakes online pros stopped playing on the net and rather play in private games in Macau
Nazim Sorry, worded it badly, I meant in the Durrrr/Isildur sessions depending on what they were playing not specifically by them but by other high/mid stake pros of the time.
Live is easier because online is rigged.
WTF is up with BITcoin?
Steve Davis i was about to ask the same
This was true all the way around. I obliterate live and I get crushed online.
Further, I win at a better rate than the players who do come from online. I see them do shit like call because "that's one of the best hands I can have there". I'm think "yeah. Doesn't help when he always has the nuts!"
Another classic..."his line makes no sense". Well, thats because he has no sense. lol.
One pair no good brah! Flod. hahaha
Lol yeah some online guys annoy the shit out of me at the poker table. They act like everyone should know how to play solid poker and they will act baffled whenever a live player does something dumb. Its just them trying to advertise their superiority mostly.
To be honest tho. Most of the online guys who act like that aren't very good online players. Usually bad online regs.
Thats not true.
First reason is there aren't people like you cheating the poker community out of their money by promoting america's cardroom which is 100% a scam.
The biggest reason online poker is harder is it's rigged with malicious computer software controlling the cards and giving people way more bad beats than supposed to. Live poker is not.
Bullshit. I just got bust twice out of live tournaments.. 88 vs AA when 10 bb attacking the blinds. It's not rigged.
lmfao
If you can prove that ANY site uses rigged software they would face A) fines (millions of dollars) and B) lawsuits (for millions of dollars).
Bad beats happen and the better you are the more bad beats you get since a bad beat requires you to get your money in vs a worse hand which should happen a lot if you're good. I would love to go all in 1000 times AA vs 77 even though I would have 200 bad beats, would you?
@@MK-13337 you would have 350 bad beats.
@@mariusm5660 Preflop 77 vs AA is about 4:1 dog. If none of the suits match (for example AsAc vs 7d7h) I would get 213 bad beats (on average, AA wins 79.74%) and if all the suits match (AsAc vs 7s7c) I would have 191 bad beats, AA wins 80.97% here. Dunno where you got 350 from my dude.
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youve got to be kidding me?? online poker is easier , much easier. the real poker players play and win live tournaments. its more complicated. online poker is just a shove match. this is a fucking joke. i like this guy though, so i forgive him for this misinformation
LOL
this is one of the delusions that addicted poker players tell themselves: "I could always move to live poker, that is easier, all the time I've invested is not wasted". Yet it makes no sense, think about it: it takes ten times more effort and time to go to a live casino and play live poker, than to open a computer and play online. Thus the weak players are not motivated to both lose money and on top of it go to a casino and lose time while getting bored. If you are looking at this in 2021, I feel sorry for you, and hope Knish still has that truck.
Definitely selling live players short here. I think a lot of internet players like to tell you all the stuff they know and how they would have bet. Us wise old players like to play dumb and pretend to not know what ranges, blockers etc are.
Live players are not ALL wizards. Internet players are not ALL wizards. Online players are generally better. If you put an above average online player at a live table they would be bored to death because you have to be VERY patient.
Go to the point.. damm boring
Because online is rigged 🙄
What happened to ur face bro?
Drastick Rebel meth. Smoke 💨 too much
I completely disagree with you. Live is much harder
Check your privilege.
Regardless of all of that, Poker was meant to be played live competitively. Online poker players are playing half the game and being "successful". This has got to be one of the dumbest opinions I've ever heard on the matter.
Online is so hard because of the collusion, the HUDs and databases and just the idiot players getting lucky. Most online players would get crushed in no time if they played live games.
i disagree with 75% of what this guy says. wow. keep teaching THAT bs! good for the rest of us \
Party Bear I bet you crush everyone on the felt. Your poker mind is clearly superior to the rest of us
Live poker is better because there isn't a RNG/Algorithm introducing "action encouragers" on the turn.