How the Anti-Abortion Rights Movement Took Down Roe
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Through a seven month investigation, VICE News looks at the anti-abortion rights movement, their playbook, their years long strategy to pull off the overturn of Roe v. Wade, what’s next on their agenda and most importantly how this will affect the millions of people at the center of this issue.
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I feel like she should’ve covered how this might affect orphanages and children who live in foster homes.
Foster homes will have more kids now with the similar resources. Not every kid will get adopted & government has to step in.
Natalists don't care. Their main concern is preventing women from having pregnancy-free sex.
Pfffttt that'll never happen, us orphans don't matter 🤣
@@Insanio yes you and they do. Life is hard and you know that. You’ll be stronger than most and that will benefit you in life. Someone cared enough not to put you through the hell that would of been your “parents” there as so many kids who are neglected, sexually abused, and have to be subjected to horrible things because of selfish “parents”. You got this.
They say “just put the kid up for adoption” like it’s so easy. 100k+ foster kids every year waiting to get adopted but are less favorable than a fresh baby with no family ties. On top of adoptions are not all “free” adoptee parents in agencies are vetted out and then pay and sign papers etc. Foster homes are scarce and research shows adoption agency’s are more favorable.
It won’t, because the church offers resources and the pro-life advocates have worked tirelessly to provide women with unplanned pregnancies.
Its crazy the person helping make these laws has no clue about the costs of having a baby or how much the state even pays to help or even the risks to the mothers health. Just disgusting
@@sokunine BUT PEOPLE CAN GET PREGNANT EVEN WHEN USING PROTECTION.
Go fucking read books, research and stats on the matter.
Life is more complicated than you make it out to be. No woman is happy to get an abortion ffs.
The US shames teenagers and young adults for getting pregnant but won't even provide medically accurate sex ed. You guys are absurd.
@@sokunine
Contraception is not 100% effective 🙄
Says on the box itself
And some women are raped..
Think outside your narrow mind
Ummm…you’re upset because they didn’t balance their morals against dollars?!?!?
@@sokunine protection isn’t 100%. i’m assuming you wouldn’t know anything about sexual intercourse, judging by your comment.
by the way - most rapists don’t use condoms - especially when they are your abusive partner.
We know the costs. That why it’s cheaper to be on BC of any sort permanent or not and get an abortion early on.
There's supposed to be a separation of church and state. Secular people and members of non Christian religions shouldn't have to follow these anti-abortion religious rules. America is messed up.
Agreed
We protested for 50 years bro, respect our point of view
Blue states exist dont they? What about the rest of us who dont want your secular militant atheist progressive religion forced onto us?
You guys seem like you wont be satisfied until you dominate everybody and everything with your “secular” beliefs… a little creepy. And seeing the state of canada and australia now, a little scary.
try jamaica... oh wait it's illegal there... or angola, whoops it's illegal there too ... maybe egypt is better than america? no, no... it's illegal in egypt. i wonder how many christians are in egypt? islam is the official religion there. hmm what about the congo? maybe you can get a legal abortion in iraq? is iraq a christian nation? or maybe just maybe america has states where abortion is completely legal, california or oregon for example
One thing that I feel like is often overlooked, is that in the US there are no safety nets for parents and the unemployed if one decides to (or forced) to have a child at a time when they don’t have the means to raise one.
It's not a concern to these religious nuts, because after all, poverty guarantees the kingdom of heaven!
Except for food stamps, wic, social security disability, and like a bajillion other social programs at various levels
Forced to have a child. Wow. Forced wow. He or she was a child at the moment of conception. Someone has to speak for them. So many programs here in the United States. So many condoms.
@@connievino4226 but you are so very wrong. A single cell at conception is ‘not’ a child, it’s a human cell - then it becomes a zygote - then it becomes an embryo - then it becomes a fetus - then, after 9 months, it becomes a fully formed human. Calling a clump of cells a ‘child’ is a falsehood; and one that helps infiltrates the misinformation, lies, and propaganda that the pro-forced-birth movement is pushing.
Those who are forcing people to carry a pregnancy and birth unwanted children are selfish. They obviously don’t care about the unwanted baby once born; and they certainly don’t care about those being forced to carry a pregnancy.
Furthermore, calling women and their doctors killers for ending a ‘pregnancy’ is so beyond ignorant it’s not even laughable - it’s sick.
Either one will educate themselves or not. But if they refuse to educate themselves, they have very little room to voice their frustrations as they won’t be heard.
Those who support the overturning of RvW, and do ‘nothing’ to help better the broken system are ‘not’ pro-life - but instead, are responsible for supporting the extreme amount of unwanted children suffering; and possibly crippling our overwhelmed foster system.
@@Tamster4886 Your a pedant, you have to correct. I know all the stages of life. Baby, child,. teen adult all come from a cell that is a human baby. Please don't talk to me again.
Friendly reminder that although the ADF considers themselves to be "defenders" of religious freedom, it has supported Miracle Hill Ministries (which has barred faith groups outside of Protestants from fostering children), and also in general supported the idea that prospective foster parents can be denied on basis of faith. This is also on top of their initiatives to criminalize homosexuality.
It was very striking to me how often she used the term “freedom.”
Yes. They did this in SC where I am originally from preventing a Jewish family from fostering.
They are extremists, and they're taking over the country. How can they claim to defend religious freedom when they don't believe that all religions are equal, and having no religion at all is just as valid? Religious freedom also means freedom from religion.
@@FerociousPancake888 You see this a lot with fascist groups. For example how China's military is the People's Liberation Army and the bill that stripped away American privacy is The Patriot Act. It's all projection. They're so desperate to convince us they aren't fascists that they go way too heavy on the use of buzzwords like freedom, liberation, patriot, justice, etc.
well thats horrible
This reporter is incredible. I can only imagine the pressure they must be under in these interviews- asking such tough questions, really hearing the other person’s response, having to react to the unpredictable on the spot, & maintaining composure throughout some of the most challenging topics we have today. Mad respect.
This "reporter" is a witch
All while being “unbiased” 😂💀
@@mickjames210 oh totally, very “descend” 😂😂
@@bobjenkins2022 Documentaries are not meant to be unbiased.
@@mfraye12 what world do you live in? 😂
I had an abortion when I was a teenager, when I was incapable of and honestly unwilling to be a mother.
Now, twenty-five years later, I'm the mother of four very loved, very wanted children.
I was in an unstable and abusive relationship. Now I'm in a loving and healthy marriage.
I was in high school and would have had to drop out to have and raise the baby. Now I'm a college graduate with B.A.
I worked in the food service industry for minimum wage. Now I work for an educational software company and have a yearly household income of $107K.
My entire life would have changed for the worse of I'd been forced to have that baby. Abortion enabled me to work toward the life I wanted so that, when I did eventually have my four children, they and I are stable, happy, and healthy.
Congrats plenty more had kids and did more. You arent special. You are literally a baby killer. Congrats you took a life because of your own bad choices and still ended up at the end of the totem pole in life. 107k for a house hold?? Bk managers earn that.
Imagine taking a life and bragging about still living at poverty level. LMFAO . this entire story is a lie as you will see below.
then you don't know poverty my amigo....🤷
@@elbinx760 hey look its the hanger baby. Still angry your mom didn't finish the job?
So you sacrificed your child over wealth. That’s evil.
It's easy enough to say, "In an ideal society, no woman would seek an abortion, or ever need one." But I don't see anti-choice activists pushing to improve society, to ensure that all women and children have access to resources and opportunities - no, they're just ensuring that more women and children will struggle to survive in a society that only cares about profit, not people.
I vote for the best way to improve society - by making the economy great so that people have jobs and can take care of their own families and afford to buy what their family needs... And I also support pregnancy resource centers - places that help women who are struggling (e.g. help them find jobs, help them sign up for benefits they might not have known the were eligible for, giving them items for their babies etc.). It's pro-aborts that don't support pregnancy resource centers, they just support killing.
@@mathildeyoung1823 "making the economy great" means nothing when there's no magic wand that can make an economy "great", that's why it's a ridiculous statement to make. And even then, whether an economy is great or not, abortion should simply be one of the options, whether you believe it's "killing" or not doesn't matter.
@@Ashelirria Policies can be put in place to improve the economy.
Abortion does k!ll a human being and k!lling an defenseless human being to make your life easier should never be an option.
@@mathildeyoung1823 What is a "human" to you?
@@Kiz-0 A human being is a living member of our species.
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Indeed but the double adds have to go
true that brother
propaganda is always free
Or propaganda
They dictate narratives
I keep wanting to know where the biological fathers are - pro-life should not just be the sole burden of the womb, but the sperm provider equally.
100% agree, the fathers need to have checks garnished if they won't pay for there babies financial needs.
I'm a single dad raising a teenage daughter. I'm pro-choice.
That paragraph never has anything about “why these goofy chicks keep choosing deadbeats that for sure aren’t gonna stick around”. Nobody Eve asks that or talks about what losers these chicks are.
@@pho-kingsoup8126 then you are a cowardly father, that doesn't support your daughter at all, you only support the death of your own grandchildren. You are a monster.
That's coming from a single father myself.
There is a law that 15 weeks into the pregnancy fathers have to pay child support but then the death rates will go up because some of these fathers do not want to pay child support so they think killing the mother is a better option
Being a foster child myself I have often just wished my parents weren’t allowed to have me, they both have schizophrenia and I was forced to be with them for the first two weeks of my life, and afterwards visit them and get to know them. I even believe that people who can not raise a child should simply not have them. I often just wish I was never born into such chaos and trauma. Every child deserves parents but not every parent deserves children.
would you have preferred to not exist? If that's the case nobody is stopping you from ending your suffering.
sooo you would rather have never lived at all?
@@taylea11 I think that was the general point she making. I hope one day she finds peace and that there are reasons to be alive.
Yet what sad is she not alone. Por-lifers don't want to face some ugly truths about being born and the environment you born in to. They don't want to face that when you suffer several a traumatic abuse especially over rhe course of your childhood it leaves you wishing you had never been born.
The objective should be to eliminate abortion not through force but by creating systems and expanding on them that will really help women care for their child on a mental, emotional, physical and financial level so they don't need to turn to abuse.
It means fixing Child Service and Foster care so children who end up in foster care are treated with love and kindness and dignity and respect they deserve. which is not the case at the moment. 38% of children in foster care are abused and neglected. Those just cases we know about or that CPS isn't turning a blind eye to. Even in the cases we're these kids aren't abused or neglected per say they are treated as a meal ticket and often times treated as if they don't belong any where. All of those things take a toll on kids and effects them and will most likely deeply impact them in a negative way. Which can then impact society.
We can change all that and fix it make it better. Pro-lifers and also pro-choicers ignore these issue and these issues will be deeply impacted by anti-abortion laws.
You’re good happy you weren’t aborted
I appreciate you, I appreciate you sharing, I wish you peace in this crazy messed up world that we are all living in. it's not easy, and I salute you. much love, 🙇♂
To the mother who has her baby , and she is trying to make it , her baby smile is a blessing , I really hope she gets the assistance she needs , she truly is a strong women and I admire her truly , we need a stronger support system for mothers who are doing it alone
thats the thing that irritates the shhh out of me. why can america not set up that support system and THEN do the unthinkable to ban abortion. for me and i am european, i was devastated wen the supreme court overturned r v.w
@@mynameiseve.1 just think now the pressure is on the govt. to rise up and support single mothers . I think abortion was an excuse for governments to not do that.
@@annabouillon8797nobody is gonna rise up to support women especially single mothers. I'm pretty sure overturning r v. w was a response to the #metoo movement among other things to show women that they have no power and a big F You finger. Nobody is pro life, it's all pro birth and wat happens after that nobody cares. It's so unthinkable in our day and age. I'm from ireland which is super religious and iv lived in Germany now 20yrs which is not so much. Yet both countries support abortion, support single mothers, free med insurance etc etc etc. America what are you doing?? (I dont mean you)
It makes no sense that it takes two people to have a child, but only one bares the responsibility.
If only one has responsibility, that one is having sex with the wrong person.
@@oxide8182 and thus shouldn’t be forced to carry their child. glad you agree.
@@wok7152 ahh so both do whatever & neither takes responsibility, got it. But I guess responsibility has become another simple word we dont know the meaning of.
@@oxide8182 doubt the mom would abandon their child to state care except of poverty,age,or other strong reasons.
@Danny G omg it’s almost like it’s not the 1930s and people have sex for fun 🤯🤯🤯
Ok so this is something right here:
"An ideal America is where Americans are free to live and work according to their beliefs; where marriages and families are strong and healthy. That I think that is ideal for everyone."
Ok so they are trying to cancel pro choice options, gay marriage, and contraception. None of this will help with keeping families and marriages healthy and strong. It was never about saving 'babies'. This is about controlling women and having power.
For fundamentalists, "freedom" is the freedom to force their views on everyone else while having the money to break their own rules.
Men need to take responsibility or be legally enforced to do so from birth. This young lady is running around looking for a job with a newborn, yet the father is out there free to piss about.
And screw around
You go help her. Better yet have her help herself. She should have got the job before the baby. Save the Babies
Like Dave Chappelle said, “your body your choice. My wallet my choice “
Yep I agree more emphasis needs to be placed on the fathers in these situations
@@yveje9720 more emphasis needs to be put on marriage. Why are women having sex with dead beat men? Men already pay 85% of all child support. What more can be done? How about women be careful with who they have sex with
Something they don't discuss is women who choose to have their child and want to give it up for adoption, but their families won't let them. You are then forced to care for a child you do not want, or face being ostracized by family and friends.
I wanted to do adoption. When I finally did, I lost family and friends who, 26 years later, still won't speak to me.
A lot of women don't want to go through that.
Yeah, but if your family would disown you for giving a child up for adoption, then there's a 100 percent chance they would disown you for getting an abortion. I don't see your point
@@bajorekjonthe abortion would have been private
This is pathetic. They keep saying freedom of speech but in all reality it part of their religious beliefs. How can you tell a women what they can and cannot do with their bodies. What happened to separation of church and state?
Separation of church and state was never in the constitution. Furthermore, the idea was to protect the church from the state and not the other way around. No one cares what women do to their bodies. Have you been around in the last 10 years? Women have become ugly with all of their piercings and their tattoos. Strangely no one said anything about THEIR BODIES in this situation. Why not? It's because we care about the other body that is being killed in the abortion.
The baby is not their body
@@markwilkie7633 it is when it’s inside as fetus. The fetus is much like a parasite, feeding off the mothers life force, all parasites must be destroyed at all costs !
@@markwilkie7633 It’s not a natural born citizen either so it doesn’t have constitutional rights.
@@markwilkie7633 Sure but it need the mother’s body for nutrients and development.
Why can't people get the picture that if you don't want an abortion, you don't have to get one. But you can't make someone else's decision. Especially when you don't care about what happens to the child after it gets here. If you complain about your taxes helping someone that needs assistance with children they can't take care of please be quiet. You can't have it both ways.
Don't get pregnant if you aren't able to raise a child then
@@Mr.Anonymous1987GS by that logic the world would likely never be repopulated with amount of "unplanned" pregnancies thatmake up our society today. In a perfect world that would happen. But, that's not the world is, nor is it the world has ever been. Even before roe was established. If you could only get pregnant if you were financially well off the working class would never have kids. Either way, you don't want an abortion don't get one. Don't want a woman you're sleeping with to have one, don't get her pregnant. Better yet keep it in your pants and eliminate the risk. But it's mighty easy to force someone to keep a child you don't have to carry, you don't have to feed, you don't have to take to the doctor, you don't have educate, don't have to protect, don't have to risk your life for simply by going into labor. Even if you did have that ability as a woman, you still wouldn't have the right to tell ANOTHER woman what to do. You're sitting on the sidelines. When that baby gets here you won't give a damn about what it will be born into. I'd actually believe pro life people were really concerned if the concern lasted past the smack the doctor gives the baby after it makes it out the womb. But, you don't. Where's all the uproar and plans for resources to help all these women that'll be forced to bring babies to term they didn't want. What physiological damage could be done with a mother caring for a child she didn't want to have but was forced to keep. I'm sure that'll be a healthy environment. Put them up for adoption you'll say. Yeah that's not a guaranteed solution either. Every child isn't going to get adopted. Some will go to bad homes, some will age out of the system at 18 and be thrown out onto the street because they're now adults. You gonna fake care about them then? You have no skin in the game so your opinion shouldn't matter for the person who is directly affected. There shouldn't be a group mandate on a personal decision.
@@Mr.Anonymous1987GS Why do you hate freedom? Young adults and poor people get to have sex too. Sometimes, even when using contraception, pregnancies can occur. And the right wing zealots trying to ban abortion will try to ban contraception next. Just admit you hate women and want to control them. Everyone who hasn't been brainwashed with religious nonsense can see it, plain as day.
@@Mr.Anonymous1987GS assault ??? coercion ??? helloooo..
Why are all the states banning it all poor lol I'm in new jersey a rich state and it's all good here
At 6 months, I was mentally and physically sick and exhausted from hyperemesis Gravidarum. Nothing was helping to reduce the nausea and vomiting. I had passed out on the side of the road and ended up in the hospital. I wanted to end my pregnancy before 6 months but more at that time. I wanted to end my life.
Anti-abortion laws will lead to an increase in suicides. I'm so sad for those unable to access abortion.
Abortion also leads to suicide. They don't tell you that though.
You realize many women fall into despair and some kill themselves after killing there own babies right?
How about you take your meassures not to get pregnant???And becareful when u open your legs!!!
Keep your legs closed if you don't want a pregnancy.
@@jd3jefferson556 >> No. No, she doesn’t.
No matter what your believes are, making abortion illegal, won't decrease the numbers of abortions, but increase the number of illegal abortions. Those illegal abortions will only mean less security and will criminalise women in need and doctors who want to help.
Correct. Several networks have already been formed that are providing them as we speak.
Just like making drugs illegal does not take away the demand, only produces a thriving black market for said demand.
On the margins this is true but it will save many children as a net gain
Save? You mean the children that will end up in an orphanage or in a family with no financial security? That's not saving.
But they don’t care because it’s not about saving lives, it’s about punishing women. The number one killer for pregnant women is murder. Even if they choose not to have an unsafe abortion they’re at a risk anyway.
Until these people are willing to pay for these children - everything until 18, they have ZERO RIGHT - to tell anyone what to do... they care about the fetus, but the actual people they grow in to; they don't even consider at all ... disgusting...
And pay for the women’s loss of wages for the reality she now has to take the time to b a mom, which means she will automatically earn less $$ (stats show this).
How about the government pay for children on child support instead of making men pay?
People should be more responsible and they shouldn’t sacrifice their child’s life to erase their mistakes. Stop trying to shame others for not wanting to pay for your problems.
@@IndigoBellyDance amoug us?
The Govt. Want's to be a baby daddy, I'm all for it. Maybe get them in the National Guard, a little free college. Some Universal Income, SET! We'll be the greatest nation in the world.
Instead , 18 years from now, we will have more crime, more junking and more children being born fatherless....
@@nbaclashofclanspro9198 What are you going on about? It's only problem because people like you are forcing these births to come to term. It's like banning condoms and expecting people not to complain about unwanted pregnancies. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?
13:18 That Texas law just got tested. Abortion provider got sued and the court tossed it out. No standing. The abortion had to directly affected the plaintiff for the case to continue.
So scary that a human baby fetus that was murdered makes you so happy. The abortion provider's are murderous warlocks.
@@connievino4226 What about stating the facts and outcome of that case causes you to think that I am either for abortion or against? Facts are neither pro or con.
Bullshit. My God we all came from our Mothers body. The womb. Some Mom's are horrible, some aren't. My mommy was nuts. She never got the help that she needed. But she had me and I am glad to be alive. Ask my son?
@@ZombieXee I never read the facts of that Texas case. I won't because the liberal so want us too.
@@connievino4226 You're still psychotic.
So...they want to take a homeless person hooked on drugs with a documented mental disability, that's pregnant, and train them in 9 months to be a good mother?... This will be a major issue in the future
A worse issue is the support of murdering babies
It is like when I watch football in my living room, comfy, snacks in hand. Oh yes I can tell the QB exactly what he should do on every play. Put me out there with 4 guys weighing 300lb each rushing at me and the situation really gets different.
You have a better answer Deon? Let’s here it. God forbid people we keep women from killing their babies and making them better mothers. That would be fucked up right?
I could think of a dozen ways of contraceptives, and semi permanent options for people with those issues. In some countries these women get tubes tied. Why does everyone keep preaching choice to kill but don’t prevent it in the first place? Take responsibility for your actions
@@lillylee2410 And victims of sexual assault who are still in high school? (Example: Billie Dawn Webb, who was 17). Incidentally, it also costs money to see a doctor/get prescribed contraceptives in the United States.
Interesting to watch this right after watching a DW documentary on postpartum psychosis where women killed their children because post natal care was too insufficient to identify the symptoms.
Every life is sacred sounds nice, but what are we as a society actually doing to help women be successful if they do in fact have the children? Apparently nothing.
Peter Griffin : I'm here to save the unborn Brian. After they're born they can go f*&k themselves
the child only matters when its not born, they couldnt care less for what happens after its born
Totally untrue, but if you're watching this propaganda and thinking it's true, you likely ate that untruth.
@@b1battledroid476 This is literally untrue, Pro-Lifers push to help children with education as well, and get CRT out of schools, as CRT creates a horrible victim mindset.
@@DJVideso "We want to help children's education, but let's deprive them of the truth by rendering them ignorant about our racist history. Talking about it just makes us feel too uncomfortable."
Having a baby... isn't to create a new "friend" or fill a void you already have in your life ladies. Once out of the womb it's a responsibility and commitment. Your mental/physical/financial state is critical. To have some guilt shaming by oppressive religious nuts that think America should be a real version of "the handmaid's tale" serves only their interests not yours.
Those keeping you from deciding your life and limiting you to pregnancy only, are using it as twisted social and political control.
All lies! Killing your child is not the answer. And if you do get an abortion then you have to live with the guilt and regret of killing your child!? For life!
You are not the majority
Please never use the word ‘ladies’ when trying to speak to a group of women. Also this comments makes no sense. How does your first statement relate to the last? Are you supporting women’s right to choose or are you just talking like you have no grammatical education?
@@loveinthematrix 😂
@@sippyface4888
Neither are the evangelical bimbos featured in this video.
The problem with Bible thumpers is that they assume they are the nationwide majority
The killing has been financed and done for so long. I cannnot beliebe some people believe it is better to kill than let live. Abortion factories.
It is gut wrenching ,horrifying and deeply saddening to see people deriving bouts of joy from the woes, suffering and sorrow of hundreds of millions of women. Even ignoring the basic human rights and decency that has been denied to half of the USA's population ,What about women suffering from preeclampsia, or any other illness drastically reducing the quality of life for both the foetus and the woman? Do the anti abortionists have any answer to the wailing of the suffering women other than to "get over it" or "if the lord can lead you to it ,he can lead you through it"?
that swhat REligious People do, they make others suffer
We rationalize that we are saving hundreds of millions of children. Unfortunately it is difficult to find common ground on this subject
@@MVGAactual congratulations! Hope you experience the same joy as you see thousands of mothers die at childbirth and see their tears as they leave their newborn baby into the callous and uncertain hands of the abysmally tragic foster home system of the USA
@@MVGAactual People like you are in the extreme minority. You know what happens when your types impose your will on others?
I want the murder of children to stop because its morally wrong.
Gianna Toboni is an Amazing reporter. Thank you Vice for employing such a strong person to take on this topic. I have been watching what Gianna/Vice has been putting out the past couple months and it really needs to be Mainstream. Her interviewing the Teens in Mississippi and now these interviews in this episode asking very thought out direct questions without getting more defensive or taking a side is what a true reporter should be. Yes you can tell which way this might be leaning but every thing has a lean and overall this is showing both sides very well. Thank you Gianna and Vice keep up the amazing work.
Being pro life, I would say that Giana did a fair job getting stories from both sides.
@@johnsmb5435 she is definitely a great reporter
Hearing her talk to the ADF lady was admirable. I would definitely have gotten angry during that conversation.
@@johnsmb5435 pro forced birth***
@@DeaDiabola You are right. Thank you.
“We found that women are over 3x more likely to be below the poverty level if they are denied an abortion, compared to receive it. One of the most important things to note [about the study] is that being denied an abortion affects so many aspects of peoples lives; the chance that they’re in a better relationship, the chance that they found a better job, they have more stable housing, and all of those together mean that people who are denied an abortion are less likely to have the circumstances later to have a *wanted* child. Those who receive abortions are more likely to go on and have a *wanted* child later. Under better circumstances.”
That… is a big punch to the gut. THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN UNBORN, UNWANTED FETUSES. Jfc, anyone who thinks different I can’t take seriously. Either you’re cruel or you’re lying to yourself because you’re addicted to your own self-righteousness. Shameful. Disgusting.
In the end of the day you can deny that as much as you want but you are defending killing babies, also this documentary lied when it said that 95% of women don't regret their abortion, most of them don't regret instantly but they regret later in life so idk why you're talking this video serious.
Absolutely! and I keep making this point to black and white thinkers on both sides of the debate. Abortion does not necessarily mean less child births or population control. Of the six women I know who had abortions, all went on to have more children later and all while living in more stable conditions (with a life-partner, with higher education or at least a stable job). Only 2 only had just one child. All the rest of the remaining 4 women had 2 or more children later.
@@solveigmortensen2608 "abortion does not necessarily mdan less child birth", 62 million people were killed before they were born.
Also how innocent do you need to be to believe that those womens don't regret paying someone to kill their baby, i mean if you wanna beleive their fake smiles than go ahead, but they're definitely hiding a huge pain from you.
You are absolutely disgusting if you believe any of that is more valuable than a young human being’s life.
@@samuelsouza3054 1rst) NO. I know 4 out of the 6 women very well. All but two have shared their stories with me firsthand. They have explained to me what they went through (in their decision making process to get an abortion) and said they do NOT regret it. Many of them are really joyful people, and they shared these stories with me years ago before a ban on abortion was even on the horizon. I say that to make the point, that it was not political and it was in private, one on one. There are women who regret it, but you're simply denying what others honesty tell you and others women say they do not live with agonizing pain over it. It may not fit your world view, but it is NOT the case that all women who have abortions have deep, ongoing pain over it. It's not. And, secondly Did you follow what I explained about birth rates? My point was that many of these women ended up having more kids later and probably more than if they had had to have had the kids at a younger age or in a much less stable time in their lives.
Religion aside and right foward, I refuse to give my rapist the right to take 9 more month away from me and make me more traumatize than what he already did, you won't take care of that unwanted child, orphanages are filled and inhumaine,adoption centers are messed up and most children don't find a loving home once they hit 18 they kicked them to the curb because you're an adult now and can go fence for yourself and how can you give that child a right living if you're not stable both economically nor mentally. Finally one of my right is the gift of choice therefore I chose who to give a child to and when if I want a child.Abortion should be safe for those that want it, if you don't want one don't get one, but it should be available for those that do need one.
When I was young my mom would have us volunteer at retirement homes, and at orphanages. There is a cycle of broken families. Lots of the elderly had orphan stories, or stories of someone being given up or they gave up. At the orphanage, kids who had parents who wanted them but were not mentally/ physically/ financially capable of raising a child or had the education to do so.
Other kids eager to be loved, but no one on the other side. A system overwhelmed with “cases”, “courts”, “funds”. Kids on schedules similar to prisons, because it’s a “herd” of kids, and it makes it easy for the staff to keep an order. To think we’ll be adding to an already broken system breaks my heart for all of those who have to bear the burden of our decisions.
Exactly. These people wanting to bring all these babies into this world to suffer once they are here do not think about those issues. For some reason they think this world is all sunshine and rainbows and it’s very far from that.
@@samanthakelly8680 you’d be surprised. Some of them KNOW how awful living under certain situations can be but still say “well better than being aborted”
Pro life does not care about life
@@ohsnapples9885 yes you are right, they just don’t have common sense. The whole situation is just sooooo sad 😔
less abortions = more crime. Because it leads to many unhappy child hoods, which then leads to many unhappy adults with no resources.
Ah yes, extermination is the only answer
For a country that boasts about its freedom, this in’s directly conflicting it.
Freedom to kill isn't a Freedom
Pro-life 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Amen.
So many arguments against abortion rely on the mother to have stable mental health and the education to make the right decisions to provide a good life for herself and the baby thus not to continue a cycle of poverty and abuse. It's a shame that you can tell (in most cases) what upbringings were like for pro-lifers given their lack of consideration for the actual quality of life of the majority of would-be mothers who get abortions
So many arguments for abortion rely on the moral delusion that it is better to kill someone than give them a chance to make a better life for themselves. If you can morally justify abortion, why couldn't you morally justify the forced sterilization of the poor and mentally unstable? Seems like that would be more humane than abortion...
Tbh I think they’re just grifters
It’s a shame you come up with justifications to kill a baby. All the reasons you mentioned are things that are able to change. You don’t to be an engineer to raise a child.
@@Greyalien587 Agreed, that's my point. If you get delusional enough, you can justify just about anything to yourself.
Well the fact that theres millions of women who want to kill there own babies definitely shows theres a lot of sick women out there.
The entire globe….the USA included… is already facing an impending food shortage as it is. Before you know it, the USA will be a 3rd world country due to the never before seen poverty levels.
I'd rather live in a 3rd world country where killing babies is illegal, than live in a country that slaughters there own babies. Thankfully we live in the richest country on earth
Why aren't we doing something with all those aborted babies? We cood be using that as a source of protein to keep from starving and being a 3rd world country. Animals sometimes eat their young, and it's a highly nutritional form of protein for the mother. The abortion doctor needs to start butchering and wrapping the baby for the mother to take home for dinner.
it will become a third world country if you keep killing of your future
Yeah that’s what scares me. Women in general are going to suffer even more in the next few years.
No such thing lol 🤣
The bigger issue seems to be no one acknowledging how difficult pregnancy can be unto itself or the dangers women face without appropriate oBGYN care.
I don’t think anyone is out here pro-abortion. Who wants to even be in that situation?
Well, there is an easy way to avoid pregnancy, you know! It's keeping her legs closed. Simple!
This is such a valid comment. Having an abortion is not something that I would ever WANT to do. However, I am very grateful to live in a country where I could make that choice if needed.
🙌🏻🙌🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Did you never listen to pro-abortion people.
there are many crazy pro abortionists and they are an underrated influence on public opinion. They were the reason that I started to question abortion rights.
You don't find yourself pregnant, you commit an action to get pregnant. Not once did they mention pregnancy prevention.
I think she should have pushed back on the idea that these laws are actually making exceptions for the life of the mother. Doctor Mama Jones has a good video on this, but essentially the fearful atmosphere discourages doctors from performing abortions under all but 100% certainty cases, and in those cases it may be too late because the woman can go from looking and sounding fine to dying in short order. That's not even to mention the government officials who have tried to play doctor and legislate what qualifies as a threat to the mother's life. For example, Republican lawmakers in Ohio tried to legislate that women with ectopic pregnancies couldn't get abortions because they wrongfully believed ectopic pregnancies can be reimplanted. The pro life movement as a whole is also not calling out their extreme members who don't believe there should be any exceptions for the mother's life. Doug Mastriano won the GOP primary race for governor in Pennsylvania. He's running on an all out abortion ban with no exceptions for the mother's life, and nobody in the pro life movement is calling him out on that. They all just go with it and then still try to claim they are protecting the mother's life.
@@crispinfornoff206 Yes, I do. If the mother's life is in danger, it's still legally an abortion procedure they would need to do to save her life.
@@crispinfornoff206.. And that is the hard choice of it... In ectopic pregnancies, the fetus must be removed to save the mother... There is no other way to do it... OB-Gyne doctors are taught to prioritize the mother 1st and unborn child 2nd.. Cause their patient is the woman..
@@crispinfornoff206 Even in the case of removing a dead fetus, the procedure is still considered abortion and is identical to abortion. For example, suction and dilation abortions, which the anti choice crowd likes to pretend are common, are actually usually performed in the case of fetal death. An abortion is any procedure that terminates a pregnancy.
@@karikling6751 You literally proved that you don't know about abortion, "if the woman's life is in dangerous" most abortions are not even close of happening because the woman life is in dangerous, also "likely result in the death of the baby", no it will always result in the death of the baby, abortion is only successful if the baby is terminated.
@@karikling6751 Also just a reminder that when you have a dangerous pregnancy you don't go to an abortion clinic you go to the hospital.
The reporter did such a great job with trying to neutralize her judgment as she talked to each of the interviewees, including people with whom she disagreed. All of the open-ended questions really allowed even the most conservative people who might have clammed up to really express their position. Even if we disagreed with it - whether it's the woman who worked with Phyllis Schlafly or the 18 year old wanting an abortion at the end - we needed to hear the person explain in their own words. This is one reason I love watching Vice documentaries! They're so good at striving toward balance (even though that's difficult to fully achieve for any news program).
Oprah says her secret to great interviews is to try to approach them without judgment because "people can feel your judgment."
She tries to be nice and cute, but the message terrifies me. Because she make a lot of times the point of money, homeless women, the cost of living....I draw to the conclution that abortion is been used as a form of birth control, and not "rare". Disgusting.
@@andrear7181 It sounds like it has been to some extent. But many women in that situation also don’t have access to health insurance, doctors, or ways to get consistent birth control. You can’t buy an IUD at CVS.
@@jadecraig1082 you are shifting my point. My point is the pro choice movement is not telling the truth when they claim they want abortions to be rare. And none of the women in this video are having a abortion because of extreme causes.
@@andrear7181 That' how they are. They have to lie and since so many people don't take the time to think it through they believe it right away. This reporter is terrible and throughout the video you can see her bias and propaganda coming through.
If this were really about being prolife, they'd be helping the mothers that WANT to have children by providing actual maternal care FOR FREE. It's about control and punishing women for having sex.
evilgelicals dont see pregnant single women as suffering a bad situation or abuse, they see sluts that deserve what they get. Its always been about not allowing women to have a consequence free sexuality like men.
The literally show organizations helping women. What documentary were you watching?
Then you live under a rock, I've seen many provide food, clothes, baby diapers etc for mothers in need
You ignorant or dumb? There’s plenty on non profits helping new mothers. Problem is WTF is wrong with our education system that all these people having sex without understanding the responsibility? Don’t use contraception?
Sone charities help at earlier baby stages.
Thank God for the ADF.. We as Americans need to quit allowing our children to be sexualized at a young age and teach the value in abstinence until marriage... There will be no need for such a high demand for abortion.. Praise God and pray He saves oir kids
41:50 “How about you just listen to me?” Basically sums up the entire 45 minutes.
What about the millions of unborn unwanted children who can't speak for themselves. Who is listening to their cries while they are being forcibly removed from the womb?
The states that deny people to have abortions, need to provide single moms the basic means to raise their infants whether it's housing, food, clothes etc.
The states with trigger laws have some of the worst maternal and infant mortality rates in the US and don’t allocate extra money to social safety nets. If they really cared about “saving babies” they’d be doing everything in their power to improve maternal and infant mortality rates; banning abortion will just make maternal and infant mortality worse.
Nope. My mom was the one you are talking about with 4 kids and no job. She clawed through and raised us with little gov help in the 50’s. That is better than death from abortion for sure even though we had little.
Jen they’re wondering why all these unstabled mothers are murdering their kids, every year the number keep increasing. It’s it’s sad.
@@berenisemendez5223 what? Abortion rates have been decreasing; the number of abortions fell by 196,000-a 19% decline, from 1,058,000 abortions in 2011 to 862,000 abortions in 2017. As a matter of fact, national abortion figures in 2017 reached their lowest level since the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized abortions.
@@kennethramsby6077 anecdotal evidence is pretty meaningless in this context. If pro-life individuals care about life, why aren’t they working to improve maternal and infant mortality? The rates are abysmal in most of the states with trigger laws, especially for women of color.
I’m just so angry of these people manipulating weaker people for their own agenda 😡😡
Life should be protected from murderers
People need to be much more clear about how difficult being a parent is. Personally I would say it's definitely not sunshine and lollipops and most of the time it's down right infuriating dealing with kids you have to deal with. You'll never have free time, you will fight with your partner and you will never feel rested again. Stop interfering with others lives
hardest thing i’ve ever done!
@KEENG LOUIE I do love my family which is why I put up with the hard times that come with them.
@KEENG LOUIE he’s speaking the truth smh yall need to wise up
People need to talk about this more!!
Because of this is why I'm DEFINITELY NOT having a family, it's like you are deciding to accept 18 years of additional responsibility by raising a child.
As a man not only are we supposed to support the family we also need to maintain the wife🤣 and that alone is another issue
Whatever personality your child has, you were likely responsible for helping to create it. I just love people who have unruly, disrespectful and out of control children and then blame the child. Somewhere along the way women have to understand the consequences of spreading their legs, especially if they refuse to be responsible for using birth control which is 100% effective. Oh, they can easily make the decision to kill an unborn child but it’s just to hard for them to ‘decide’ to take a birth control pill everyday. So much easier for them to kill it, if the unthinkable happens, which it eventually will. Why, why risk creating a life that you have to snuff out just for your convenience? Take the pill!!
Watching from New Zealand this seems like some crazy dystopian media. The fact that those groups have the ability and means to power to make these changes that negatively affect millions of people is absolutely absurd. How did the USA get to this point and how can their swing be diminished? Give power back to the individual. Religion and law must be separate.
As a Canadian woman witnessing this nightmare unfold south of the border I can answer that question..
*REPUBLICANS*
The SCOTUS has been infiltrated by self professed Christians with their own agenda. The courts, and religion are supposed to be separate for a reason, and this travesty is one example! Another reason I'm thankful to live in Canada, but my heart breaks for my American sisters!
Ive literally heard of Christians say publicly "Freedom of Religion, does NOT mean freedom FROM religion"
Meaning...... Theyre commin after you.
Lol, new Zealand is pretty insane. I don't think ppl from NZ have the right to lecture others about freedom.
So, basically, you don't understand the Dobbs decision and probably didn't look into it at all. The Dobbs decision wasn't based on religion. Roe was constitutionally unsound. Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg agreed that the backing for Roe was unsound. Abortion is, at the very least, supposed to be decided on a state level since abortion isn't protected by any part of the Constitution, meaning the Tenth Amendment takes effect and sends the issue to the state.
Instead of spreading misinformation next time, please research.
Most of the usa is religious and supports this lol these aren’t a minority
I know where these pregnancy centers can get more money! The federal funding that goes to planned parenthood should instead go to truly support women.
“Dashire’s position, broke and in need of help” and the mother of a beautiful baby boy! Why not advocate for fixing the system and helping women instead of advocating for killing that beautiful baby!
$500 then
And you can pay the maternity bill
@@bulletanarchy6447 Does financial status determine the value of a human life? Do poor people not deserve to live? If I'm destitute and someone offers me 50K to murder another human being is that my "right" to do so for my financial situation? Clearly not. Then why is it then ok to murder my unborn child for any potential financial success that I might have in the future or to save the cost of having the baby?
It's free to give a baby up for adoption and there are assistance / programs for any medical bills.
And I donate what I can when I can. I hope you do too. We all should. It should be society and not the government who provides assistance to our community... If you don't agree with that you should change your username...
Its a cult. These people are simple.minded and absolutely mislead.
The pro-aborts, ya I agree those baby murdering monsters are totally brainwashed or completely evil.
your right planned parenthood is a cult.
Listening to her talk boils my blood!! WHOS GOING TO RAISE THESE KIDS!! Sadly we’re gonna see more death , more babies in garbages, more back door abortions. Don’t put ur religion on everyone , and religion doesn’t have anything to do with raising kids!! ITS OUR CHOICE ! She should post her address and cash app so she can support these kids.
They don’t care. They act righteous as if they do but they plainly don’t. Evangelicals Christians didn’t hop on the pro life movement till after the 70s when their views on continuing racial segregation was not longer viable. So they hopped on the next hate train, cause what better to unite religion that something to hate. Hypocrites and shameful, yet they walk around shamelessly and righteously.
dude i'm eating some gold fish, explosion flavor and i just wondering. mh who the fucked asked
Your choice to kill the baby.
Ok.
At least when we see the babies in the garbage authorities can track down the bithes who threw their children in the dump and put them in prison.
Why can't women take responsibility for their actions. Why do they need to kill their children so badly
Religion has nothing to do with it
“You cannot ask permission to abort a baby but you also cannot ask permission to bring a baby into the world” and if a mother thinks she cannot give a good enough life to an unborn child we need to force those children to be born?
Okay but if you have sex and still use protection and still somehow gets pregnant? I mean is that wrong ? You can't not go your whole life not having sex your human and have urges.
If the government is going to force women to keep the baby then the government should assume the responsibilities of raising that baby.
Preach it! 🙌🏽
If you don't like abortion, great! Don't have one. Let the rest of us have to capacity to make our own choices. Forced birth will not end well.
You don't agree with child abuse, great! Don't abuse your children. Allow other to decide for themselves how to treat their kids.
@@kml2546 you know that makes no sense
@@hellobot67 it makes perfect sense. just because something may not directly effect you does not mean it hould be ignored. Laws should protect innocent human life. Choices on what you can do with your body end when it effects another body.
It seems to me, if a female isn’t qualified to adopt a child, she shouldn’t be restricted from getting an abortion. If a 13 year old girl wanted to adopt a baby, she wouldn’t be allowed, because she isn’t “qualified” to care for a fragile tiny human being who would depend on her for its well-being, it’s safety, it’s nourishment, and would be unable to financially care for a baby. However, that very same girl is forced into what she clearly shouldn’t be, because she probably her first time was with a boy who said, you can’t get pregnant the first time you do it.
It’s really sad that our SCOTUS made a decision, not because it’s the best decision for our country or it’s people, but because they can! However, I guarantee, if one of their mistresses came up pregnant, I bet all I have, they would demand they get an abortion.
The double standard with which republicans operate is infuriating. Amid the pandemic, they protested, saying, “My body, my decision”, but it only pertains to them. It shouldn’t matter what you’ve decided, with regards to medicine, our government shouldn’t have the power to restrict me from my body.
Quite honestly, I think abortion clinics should be disguised as something else, or not be stand-alone buildings. So that just by being there, anyone who passes by or who can see the building at all and you walking in, people know your medical business. I feel as though that is a violation of your patient confidentiality.
If we can put a million songs on a watch, I know we can figure out how to keep girls/women safe while having a medical procedure that changes your life forever. Nobody who goes there is happy to be there, to begin with, but having to pass through a bunch of hypocrites makes it even worst. There’s nothing like approaching a huge “Choose Adoption” sign, being held by six ladies, none of which have adopted any children.
As soon as they’re born, they no longer matter. On top of that, this baby that’s been forced onto the planet has a 16 year old mom, who will now receive nonstop ridicule from the right, for needing government assistance. The whole premise is maddening. I wish people would just mind their OWN business and get their big, fat, judgmental nose out of other’s business. If people minded ONLY their own business, they wouldn’t have time to mind mine!!!! Sorry so long, this topic just fires me up.
why is that 13 year old having sex? we need to take accountability for our actions. practice safe sex and make sure you are ready for the outcomes of your actions. how hard is that?
@@noorios It must be nice to have never made a mistake.
@@noorios please educate yourself on human puberty, sexuality, the reasons behind having sex for humans (and multiple other species), etc. your comment is embarrassing.
@@EmmaBeaver333 enlighten me. What am I not getting
@@noorios That sex isn't just for procreation maybe????
It makes me feel very negative about women as a gender when they feel it is their right to kill their baby, legally. And it is a baby. I have had two daughters with my wife and I knew there was another human in her belly when she was pregnant, just like numerous men I know have said about their wife's pregnancy.
It makes me feel very negatively about you as a person if you're more concerned about women "killing babies" than having their freedoms stripped away from them simply because they were born female.
@@Len-jk4zi I don't think you fully thought out what you just said. What about the females who are aborted. Without life all other rights are meaningless.
@@usernextuser5385 There is an infinite number of people that don't exist, I'm not going to be concerned about them and instead focus on those that do.
We are alive whether we like it or not, and as long as we are alive, we can suffer violations worse than death.
Preventing those violations is meaningful, and the right to life does not entitle you to commit such violations for your own benefit.
@@Len-jk4zi Unborn babies are alive. Why are you not concerned for them. Killing someone is the worst violation anyone can commit. That is why it gets the heaviest punishment.
@@usernextuser5385 The term "unborn baby" is absurd as is.
I'm not concerned for fetuses because I once was one and I didn't care whether I was born or not.
There's a stark difference between killing someone and deciding not to birth them in the first place.
Wow… when he put all those red dot stickers on that map….
“Loving and respecting the mothers” is not enough!
Great reporting here, thank you
Lila rose ate the interviewer alive with her answers. When you kill an innocent, you prefer go into denial and say you are proud of what ypu did and facing the monstruosity of your acts.
BLOOD ON ALL OF THEIR HANDS. THE AMOUNT OF CHILDREN BEING ABUSED IN FOSTER CARE RIGHT NOW. NO ONE HAS FOOD IN THE FRIDGE OR A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD THAT CANT BE TAKEN AWAY. THIS WILL CAUSE SO MANY HEALTH AND COMMUNITY ISSUES SHAME ON YOU AMERICA
Most foster care facilities in america have good conditions in todays day in age, its not some epidemic of foster care abuse relax
Ya so let’s murder em’.. keep the willing yourself the a lie
This doesn't really make sense when we have a national obesity crisis and can afford 20 years of war. If it mattered to us we could do it, we just don't care
@@shroomeli6249 right cause abuse in foster care is almost none now? And did you know foster homes are in low supply already? Especially good patient ones? Great add 200k+ more every year to the already 200k-400k already in foster care on any given year.
There's good adoptive parents that wait YEARS for a child. Don't cherry pick the minority of foster homes that abuse kids as an excuse to kill unborn kids.
I love watching the politician's smugness. Bet he's not so happy now. Him mentioning states like Ohio, Kansas and Kentucky which have now voted to keep abortion legal is so satisfying
I am Pro-Life, I watch a variety of UA-cam channels. Rarely do I watch anything to do with Vice, but I am highly impressed with this journalist. I’m sure there were plenty of times she disagreed, but the professionalism in this piece means a lot to me (especially nowadays). Credible journalism allows me to take the other side seriously. Great job on this one Vice.
theres no reason to be anti-abortion (pro life is a bullshit term). so keep looking.
I completely agree. Very impressed with this documentary.
We chose to have an abortion because our baby was diagnosed with a severe skeletal dysplasia on the 21 week ultrasound. She had a severely small rib cage and lungs and would have been unable to breathe if carried on to term. This was a late term abortion but the alternative of delivering a baby for her to suffocate to death was worse.
@@dressedtosmellgood there's no reason to kill innocent babies for personal convenience.
Be better
@@jimmy_xi9342 I'm so happy you'll be adopting.
Nobody should have kids if they are not ready to become a parent both financially and psychologically.
Exactly Thanks you 🙏❤️
Periods!!!!!!
I think the label “pro-life” gives these people too much credit. They don’t care about the mother, or the baby once it’s born. If they did, then they’d apply the pro life label to everything. They be pro gun control, anti war, pro universal healthcare etc. “Pro pregnancy” or “pro birth” sounds more accurate
It's pro-life organizations that DO CARE about the woman - before and after her baby is born. It's abortuaries that don't care about women who want to keep their babies. Pregnancy resource centers are places that help women (most of whom want to keep their babies). Some provide financial assistance and many others provide assistance like helping a woman find a job (or better job), find more affordable housing, giving them items for the baby (before and after birth) and helping them sign up for benefits they may not have known they were eligible for.
I am anti-killing of innocent human beings - via guns, knives, fists, poisons, forceps etc.
Well when the opposite side is advocating the death of a child then pro-life is pretty accurate. But I'm all for being called anti-abortion, since the other side is pro-abortion
@@Shrimp_Insurance so then I'm assuming you're also pro gun control (given how many school shootings there are), pro assistance to low income mothers and pro universal healthcare. Otherwise you're not very pro "life"
Well you have a fair point on some pro-life people, but the label pro-choice is even more inaccurate as they disregard the choice of the BABY
If you "care" about the pregnant woman to the point that every woman who gets pregnant automatically gets money to raise the child, well, that breeds irresponsibility!
I would like that man from Texas to answer how keeping the minimum wage at $7.50/ hr, limiting Medicaid funding and funding to public education supports mothers and their families. The foster care system here in Texas is already struggling..if people care so much about children, they should adopt/mentor the kids who are already here.
pro life ppl believe abortion is murder. they can justify anything because they believe it’s immoral in every case.
Do you know he is defunding social care, or are you just making assumptions
Always amazes me the amount of people that aren’t scared to have unprotected sex but are scared when they end up pregnant like what you think was gonna happen?
Scared of sex lol
The single mom at 30 min mark breaks my heart because ALL the pro life people never talk bout this young ladies situation. They say “there is plenty of support.” Watched a report by Lila Ross who said “send those mothers in need my way and I will help. So every woman in America who is in need, please take Ms. Ross up on her offer. I am sure she has plenty of rooms in her huge house for all…. 🙄
What bout after the one year mark and the moms have to leave the ranches?
These are not answers.
Close your legs. Problem solved.
Murder is not the answer as well.
@@bluepane5383 is it murder if they haven’t been born?
Now if your getting an abortion at 39 weeks, okay that’s wrong in my eyes, but if your 12 weeks pregnant (the Average time with a woman finds out she is pregnant) and get an abortion because you know it will end up like this young mother then we should have that choice. By 15 weeks, you should know if u want to keep the baby, and at 15 weeks the fetus can not survive without the mother because it’s a ball of cells.
the lady from the foundation says it’s about freedom of speech but not giving woman the freedom to care for themselves.
@@Markelee729 you are a clump of cells right now. So we can decide you arent for this world now right? Life begins at conception says biologists , your SCOTUS nom said only they can define a woman. Heres what they think of life..
Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo's Conception. "Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote." "Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).
@@Censortubes the SCOTUS said this? Or biologist?
Here the thing, sure I am a clump of cells but so is a parasite. So we must stop killing the parasites. Right?
These people who are pro life care but once the mother gives birth, that’s it. Sure there are short term solutions for a parents in need, but what about the other 17 years of that child’s life? Our system is a mess. These parents will give birth and not be ready. This will lead to more mistreatment of child, more children in cps, the children already needing homes will triple. So, First Name, how do we fix this? I have yet to hear a logical solution for this issue. A logical long term solution.
It's clear that none of the people making these decisions have been through SA or forced birth its gross. Bet they'd have a different stance if it was one of their own that it happened to.
You know the absolute joke the video underneath is about the 1000s of homeless kids o the streets of the USA. How about help the kids already born not force 1000s more to live this way.
Or men and woman can decide to keep their pants on...why is that so hard??
@@BEABEREAN10 Exactly right.
CJ, somewhere in the neighborhood of 95% of abortions are elective, which means nobody is suggesting "forcing" these women to have a baby. Ultimately, it was her choice, as irresponsible as it may have been. All pro-life folks are saying is that it shouldn't be legal to kill ANY innocent humans.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m FOR abortion, their body their right. But seriously! As many protocols as there are for sex, tubes tied? vasectomy? pulll out or hell… condoms just to name a few, why aren't ya’ll more careful knowing the risk in your situation…..
Now yes, the pregnancy can be fatal or the child may be messed up but it seems to mostly be young people who aren’t careful… I mean damn! If you got the money for an abortion then……
I can promise you if men had the babies, this would never happen..
@Melanie Marceaux I used to think that but many women are pro-life fanatics.
I would choose not to have sex till marriage
@@teole6364 🤣 ok well that's good for you
@@melaniemarceaux9580 we wouldn't be men if we could have babies lol?
@@teole6364 good Job man, but good news
God is coming EXTREMELY soon, so marriage would be useless at this point. just stay sunfle and close to God, it'll be rewarding in the end.
So let’s think about the argument of putting a baby up for adoption after it’s born when abortion wasn’t available. That child will grow up in the adoption system, which is infamously renowned for being very poor and producing very unstable and unhappy adults. Most Americans are very ignorant and uneducated and don’t understand the important reasons why someone would choose to get an abortion. Why it’s so necessary, why it’s not a fickle thing. It’s a human right to keep abortions legal in the USA.
This isn’t the handmaids tale. This isn’t Gilead. This is real life, but unfortunately we could potentially live in a world where people’s rights are stripped from them.
So unhappy people don't deserve to live? Wow.
My parents were adoptive/foster parents and we were all sexually, physically, and emotionally abused. The "system" is not an acceptable alternative.
@@Adrian-yi8fl yes, some of us are better off dead. You have no idea
@@melanietoth1376 ...you don't get to make that judgement for anyone but yourself.
@@Adrian-yi8fl but you Evangelist extremists have the right to judge for others, how can't you see the fundamental contradiction of this logic
The beliefs of one should not take away the rights of others.
That goes both ways
Banning abortion is about freedom? Never heard such Orwellian doublespeak in my life. If you don’t like abortions you’re free to not get one.
The fact that most women who have abortions go on to have families on their own terms proves anti-abortion laws perpetrate a double-tragedy on women: once when they force a child to be born unwanted or into poverty, and a second time when they deprive the mother of having a family on her own terms.
Killing your children is about freedom? Never heard such Orwellian doublespeak in my life. If you don’t want a child you’re free to not have sex.
I commend you for being able to sit with that woman with a straight face. True reportive technique.
I bet none of these people who are pushing for these births are willing to pay the bills of all the strangers who are going to have forced births b/c of them.. nor are willing to take custody of thousands of children at once.. 😬
Its alright. The military will find good use when they become adults and will be sent to fight future wars 🙃
Except for the multiple people in this video, who were literally feeding, clothing and supporting women like “the cottage”.
Looks like your “bet” was completely off.
Now what have you personally done to support these women?
@@sjappiyah4071 i help supply free birth control to PREVENT situations like this in my community so my fellow sisters dont have to deal unwanted pregnancy, i also provide free transportation/support for my sisters who are going through having an abortion. What do you do to help out🙃? Do you spend your own personal resources to help out those around you? the resources available for the people of this video isn't available for everyone else in the U.S, just the ones in this video. The common person isn't willing to walk up to a struggling stranger & hand them a paycheck every week to pay for the bills of that strangers child, & for them. Gov't resouces like food stamps & cashaid isn't available for everyone either, just for those who qualify but even those who do get next to nothing & STILL have to more means of resources just to survive.
“what do you do to help out” I volunteer at a Pregnancy care centre in Toronto, and aid with donation drives specifically featuring newborn clothes and supplies, as well as maternal hygiene care.
Also , Pregnancy care centres are all over North America, not just in this video, perhaps if you spent less time making assumptions about the people pushing laws defending innocent life and instead….researched, you’d discover how widespread it is.
Of course there is always room for improvement and more support but to say that “none of these people” are Putting in the work just shows your ignorance 🤷🏿♂️
Not to mention that Pro-Life people statistically speaking adopt/take custody of children MORE than pro-abortion folks….
They showed two organizations in this video helping women out...what documentary were you watching?? BTW its not a forced birth.
No greater evil than abortion.
There is, making a kid with no one that loves them live a life of absolute despair. Doesn’t seem like a life worth living to me.
@@LikeTotallyDonut so you're saying if a newborn baby was wanted and then the parents changed their mind that they should be able to kill their kid so the child doesn't possibly live in despair?
@@mathildeyoung1823 No, they're not saying it.
Whether or not it would actually be better is debatable, but living in despair creates more pain than dying in peace.
Nicholas Cruz.
I'm sorry for women who have to deal with the stupidity of this country, for the land of the free, removing a life choice feels certainly unfair, this is why when I can leave, I will, I never wanted to live in this backwards country, it's gone downhill for decades & I really doubt it'll get better, even if it does, it'll be sad how long it took. It has to be frustrating to hear people say stuff like this & think they're such great people, forcing views on others is even worse than feeling good about yourself. Yeah, adoption is so great, that's why there's so many children who still don't have families, but what matters is that they're alive right, not the fact they have to grow up without parents, even if they find a family, you never know the intentions of some people, how they'll really be treated, forcing someone to live through hell isn't much of a good deed
Exactly. I believe that if I can't raise my child, I am not having it at all. I don't want to give it up.for adoption
you murderer
So you want to force a woman to have a baby but not force a man to pay for this baby? Just have the baby and fend for yourself, but you have no right to say I don't want this baby even though we obviously live in a society that favors men in all respects down to a woman's body and what he puts in it. Sex is starting to be a crime against women in all respects.
Why can’t people just stand on their own views, stop hiding behind religion. They get so caught up in talking points and can’t handle common sense questions.
Sidenote: Ask any of these religion fanatics how many children they have adopted. It’s always ‘Uh…I haven’t, but save the babies!!!m
Sadistic peolple use religion and value of life to trample every argument. Cunning and cruell.
I really see them targeting anticonceptives and LGBTQ+ rights next and it effin scares me.
It's a true living nightmare 😑
I want to know what rights the lbgt whatever in the f*** community don't have that every other American has can you please tell me
Good
Welcome to Iranica.
Contraception will never be illegal (even though the pill is a class 4 carcinogen), but you better believe so called "gay marriage" is going to be overturned next.
@@thepath1252 fascist.
I had an abortion at planned parenthood in 2009. I had a 3 month old and I was 8 weeks pregnant. The father was in jail, and his family was telling me if I don’t go “take care of it” they would stop helping me. The father was pushing me too. I went to PP, and the protestors were outside. They stopped me, and I already didn’t want to do it, and they got me to say no I’m not doing it, and I left. When I got home, his family flipped out on me, said they were kicking me out, that I was scum. That is was ONLY MY fault I got pregnant. I told the father I didn’t do it. He said “YOU F**** B, GO GET THAT SH** DONE! WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU! I DONT WANT ANOTHER BABY!” That day I had wished abortion was ILLEGAL. I went back, and told myself if it wasn’t the pill one I wouldn’t do it. I was barely in time for the pill. PP doesn’t tell you that it will wreck your life. I became a heroin addict a year later. I had another baby years years after, and I cried everyday during that pregnancy thinking how unfair it was I killed one and not the other. I daydream how much better my life would be right now if I had my 2nd baby, what they would have been. I’m an atheist as well. I’m a murderer.
@diaryofarealmom3264 If you keep beating yourself up you are only further dishonoring your lost baby. Jesus Christ paid for all of our sins.
Thank you for sharing your story and your pain . I hope someone can learn from your experience and not make the same mistakes .
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Churches should start paying taxes. So easy. They want to get involved, have them pay their share. They run as a business
churches for ALL religions or just Christian churches?
@@uncleken7955 any churches who wants to chime in politically. Like all those evilgelicals 🤷♂️
@@Kojtxiv5555 well, the church goers including the pastor pays taxes, isnt that enough?
@@uncleken7955 uh no they don't. Pastors don't pay taxes when they receive their portion from the goers. Fear mongering works well within that community. Ask all the little kids getting abused by pastors "God's going to judge them" but keep donating aunty.
@@Kojtxiv5555 i don't go to church, im no Christian, im a TRUE BELIEVER i praise Yahweh separately.
If you would have an abortion if one got pregnant, dont chose to have sex. Actions can have unintendedd reactions.
What about freedom? I have the freedom to not be an organ donor, even if that decision might cause the death of someone else. I should have to freedom not to carry a child, even if it kills them. In what world does my corpse have more freedom then my uterus?
@@dodonixx953 Horrible rebuttal. completely unrelated and independent situations
@@jonwinder6622 im pointing out a bouble stadard, thats what im doing
@dodonixx953 Choosing to be an organ donor vs choosing to have an abortion cannot be compared at all in an argument. Also, you're a horrible human being for admitting that the freedom to have an abortion would kill the child. Straight scum. I bet you've already had one, keep telling yourself that its okay if that helps you get through each day knowing what you have done
So married couples who don’t want children should not have sex ever?
She keeps saying freedom of religion and belief like that applies to everyone. Just say that it only applies to people who also think like them. How about you think of the opportunity cost for women when you make them carry a baby they don't want. The life they could've had with a planned pregnancy. For many men, that's not the case. Their life doesn't drastically change. They at least have a choice to step away from the pregnancy, but that's not the case for women. This whole thing is about reducing women to just a vessel who shouldn't have their own dreams. The women that support this just sickens me.
Yes, responsibility and accountability does seem to bother abortion advocates quite a lot.
This is exactly what I wanted to say but felt inadequate or that I wouldn't articulate it correctly. Im glad this country offers the freedom of religion but that should not impose or impede another individual from making their own choices. Why, oh why is this concept so hard to understand?
@@raquel548 Eliminating the "end a human life whenever you want just because you were irresponsible" option is not impeding anyone from making their own choices any more than making murder illegal impedes anyone's choices. The women you are talking about already made their choice, however poor that choice was for their circumstance. The only difference is that, in the twisted logic (or lack thereof) of an abortion apologist, they have somehow managed to morally justify killing to themselves in a selfish attempt to erase any dreaded obligation to the natural consequences of their own licentious behavior.
If you don't want your life ruined by alcohol, don't drive drunk.
If you can't handle the responsibility of having a child, have protected sex or abstain.
Consequences, responsibilty, accountability folks. You can't pick and choose whatever tickles your fancy in the moment and label it as a "right".
@@seanmcleod7417 Im tired of the "dont have unprotected sex if you dont want to get pregnant" argument. I know the education system is lacking in this country but unprotected, irresponsible sex is not the only reason women get pregnant!! And just for arguments sake, even if it was, who am I or you to dictate what another person does with whatever is going on with their body. I was on the verge of suicide while 7 weeks pregnant with a very wanted pregnancy. Even on well regulated antidepressants, pregnancy can really affect the brain. On top of that, I had lost over 15 lbs in 2 weeks because of Hyperemesis Gravidarum. So in the end, if given a choice, I would have chosen my life over the fetus and over leaving my 4 year old with no mother. Thankfully after multiple trips to the e.r over 2 months, I'm doing better and CHOSE to keep the pregnancy.
@@raquel548 Don't drink and drive if you don't want to risk ruining your life or possibly killing someone else.
Don't have sex if you don't want to risk the possibility of creating another human life.
I am tired of abortion apologists being tired of this argument. The only reason y'all are tired of it is because you know it is rock solid and you can't skirt around it without directly implying that you endorse irresponsibility.
Many lies: abortion is not health care. Come on!
Dasha Rae is an amazing young mother. She is smart, strong, and has a maturity about her that people twice her age don’t possess. Her son will be a happy kid. I pray she gets all the resources she needs to make that happen. I remember being overwhelmed as a young mother. I was homeless for a short while before I got on public housing. I was not in the same predicament as this young mom. Mine was easier. Both of my kids are now grown and I will have to say they are pretty damn amazing too. I did get my Bachelors while they were young, so I was fortunate. I hope Dasha Rae considers getting a degree. She is too bright not to consider it. God bless her and Arias.
my same thoughts exactly! Wonder if there is a way to give back to her directly - her strength was amazing to watch and she shines as a mother. totally stole my heart
I wish I could be apart of this vice series and tell my story of how I was lied to at a young age by my so he said he had a condom on and didn't. I got pregnant by him which he wanted and I chose to have An abortion.
Did u report that's highly illegal
So basically we need to pay more taxes to cover the cost of WIC, food stamps, and welfare.
Yup, and 9h boy a LOT of babies are on their way🤷♀️😅. I live in Romania, they saw what forced birth does and now anyone can abort here. Most of my friends(28) are still living like their are teenagers, enjoying their lives😄👌, its beautifull.
One could argue that the Supreme Court never should have ruled in favor of abortion rights, under the guise of the right to privacy. There is no constitutional right to abortion regardless if you are pro choice or not.
But there is the fundamental human right to it no matter what the US or any other country's constitution says ;)
@@BobyourUncle
No there isn’t. It’s not a human right to kill someone.
@@cL-bf2ug A fetus is not a person
@@BobyourUncle
It is, but whatever helps you sleep at night.
@@cL-bf2ug so what about when the fetus kill the pregnant woman? Would the fetus be arrested? It should
I pray for those poor babies that will be born because of this law. Those babies will have no family no safe home no food. Pray for the babies who will be unwanted and unloved . What a horrible time to be a women 😪. God save those babies .
Just stop being a wh*** or reckless. No sex or protection till you ready. Don’t tell me about protection fail. That is just small number
I don't think it is about the principle of life. I think it is about them just winning. Feeling like they won something and taken something away from millions. Pro-lifers enjoy the pain of others.
Just like how pro-choicers have been slaughtering and sacrificing their children for the past 50 years.
Whatever helps you sleep at night
It's ALL about the principle life. No one fights this hard if they're aren't personally convicted or outraged by the issue. Abortion is murder and murder should be illegal. If you believe this is a fight againts woman , you have believed a lie. I don't care if man are the ones who give birth, it's still murder and should be illegal.
You can't even get healthcare or a SSN for you infant for months, sometimes a year. Because it's barely alive even by our own standards, since most children back in the day wouldn't even make it to 1 year old.
Keep telling yourself that
The women sitting in the podcast gave me chills. I see barely any people of color or women in the pro-life groups portrayed in this investigative journalism. Just saying.
I don’t see any “pro choicers” handing out money to fatherless children either. Just saying that every child a wanted child applies to both parents wanting a kid.
You do know the majority of people of color do not support abortion right? Minorities aren’t these super progressive people that will agree with you on everything. If anything most hold conservative beliefs regarding abortion and the lgbt. The only reason they don’t vote Republican or whatever is because it’s the party of racism.
I get what they are trying to do but calling the "pro life" side "anti-abortion rights" is confusing at this point.
No it’s just accurate
@@LikeTotallyDonut The rebranding is going to negate the decades of previous knowledge of it. It's counter productive longterm.
What would you prefer?
Lobbyists and politicians have the biggest forked tongues ever
All I ask is if you don’t want abortions will you open your door for the kids that don’t have a mom or will you say that what there choice how will we as a nation make are foster care systems step up because I lived in it and they are not funded enough now what if a woman is only 13 and raped doesn’t she still deserve a childhood or do we say that has to go throw such a life altering event ?
I'd like to see a set of follow up interviews for the turnaway study, assuming the participants are open to it.
These kinds of long view stories like PBS' Two American Families provide so much context that's hard to find otherwise.
Great work on this story as well
Actually it’s the start of the end of the pro-life movement, as more people fight against them, more states would change their laws eventually, only a matter of time. Like with segregation.
I see something even more poetic. consider how women with resources will be able to access abortions, but low income women will not. Who are these women without the resources? Minorities mostly.. and they will be having babies, minority babies. So in a very literal sense, republicans are fueling the great replacement they fear so much, and are just accelerating the inevitable demographic shift. Cant say I have much sympathy.
So much for women standing up for other women...this is sickening.
They are standing up for the millions of babies who have been killed by abortion
We need to get these people out of office and limit terms
It's sad that "pro lifers" think mothers deserve poverty if they keep their babies, but a wonderful life if they give them up to other families. 😔
Adoption! Adoption! Adoption!
As a woman who's had to have a baby at the age of 20 in the US (GA) where I did not have healthcare, I can say that monetarily that birth set me behind a decade, and had to forgo my education as well as remain a stay-at-home mom as we couldn't even afford formula. Births are expensive! 40k in my case for a healthy baby. There's no way I could imagine going through with a pregnancy then giving up a part of myself.
Forced births are only going to force more people into poverty. Religion leading the world in 2022 is so damn toxic... I'm worried for my 13yo daughter whos body is not her own anymore. Worried for the women suffering from ectopic pregnancies, or birth defects, having to go through the trauma of labor, possible complication and deaths. Or... Illegal abortion... Sad times for America.
So you just tell your little girl "you should be able to be as promiscuous as your little heart desires, if you get pregnant you can always just get an abortion!"
Stop using the phrase "forced births". Depending on where you are, between 93 and 95% of the time, women weren't "forced" into anything. It's not like you went to a party, had a bunch of fun, then someone forced you to bear and raise a child. There was a deliberate act involved.
Dude..that's your problem.
Sounds like you made a decision that you regretted. Happens to all of us but we can't just kill to get out of it.
@@Shrimp_Insurance sounds like my birth control (pill) didn't work as intended. She wasn't planned ( she was never planned with that man), she was still loved in the end. I got out of that abusive relationship nonetheless.
You damn probirther need to start thinking about other people's feelings and believes. Choice of any kind is a right. Fueling your bs narrative to others, it's your choice to be pro-life, but keep it to yourself. Assuming that someone just wants to bang without consequences isn't the actual situation so before sharing your useless opinion, you either get all the facts or stfu.
@@Shrimp_Insurance Hope you aren't talking about me...I have no regrets.
Texas does little to love and support mothers. Our schools need help. We didn't expand Medicaid. We aren't winning any awards for reducing teen pregnancy or reducing the high school dropout rate. Housing affordability is becoming a challenge. And, should you desire electricity, we aren't doing a great job with that either. Words are easy. Actions are much harder.