@@mcrchickenluvr They most definitely wouldn't show it to a suspect of the case outside a interrogation room with a camera. I don't believe they are allowed to show it in a public space, if it doesn't go against some random law it definitely goes against police practice.
I remember texting and messaging on AIM before autocorrect was a thing. If one day everyone's autocorrect stopped working, you'd think half the adults in your contacts had their phones stolen by their kids. It's astounding how many adults barely qualify as literate. 😢
@nightwingman666 She was excellent in seasons 4-6 because she started as the opposite of Erin: tough cop but by the book and very sure of her values, and that was what this show needed back then! I believe even you commented on how great she was, under the clip from the episode when Upton and Jay went after Booth - the guy who killed Upton's previous partner (it was season 5). And this comment of yours is still there. The problem was that the producers changed in season 7, plus the producers and the writers bowed to public opinion & the media outrage after Floyd died in 2020, exactly when they started to film season 7, and toned down the show & did the police reform theme. But they did it in such a sloppy way, that as a result, the characters and the essence of the show completely changed, and it all got ruined, not just Upton. Really, I recently rewatched the whole show, and it's so visible that everything changed around season 7. Hank became very bland as a character compared to his original version, and he almost only, exclusively, popped up in the episodes giving orders to the team or sitting behind his desk and talking/arguing with superintendents or procurators, the action scenes with Voight were less and less; Jay started to fight with Voight again about the methods which didn't make sense at all because Jay was always badass and he only butt heads with Voight in the past because of Erin, but it was only at the start, and by season 7, they were on the same page for a long time, so it didn't make sense to suddenly do a 180-degree turn regarding Jay in season 7, it was awful idea! But it was obvious they did it to put a spotlight on the police reform theme in this season because of what happened in real life, in the country - so Floyd's case, BLM protests and calls from the public to 'defund the police'. So they needed one character visibly questioning Voight's methods to do this theme and they chose Jay for that, which was very stupid and didn't make sense since Jay was Irish, a veteran, a tough cop from Canaryville in Chicago, and all his background, and his past would be clear factors for him to be rather on the Voight's side, not the other. If they wanted to do this, they should have made Atwater the main advocate for the 'reform' since he was black and he was touched by and connected to all of this much more than Jay, Atwater's background was simply way better for this. Yes, they did it to some degree with Atwater too- they made him disagree with Voight when it comes to this aspect too, and sometimes argue with Voight in season 7, but he was kinda in the background while Jay was front and center when it didn't make sense to do this with Jay at all! Then they totally ruined Upton by making her bipolar in her approach to the 'methods' because first, as I wrote, they made her tough, but entirely by the book cop, then they tried to show Voight's influence on her, so they started to change her into Voight 2.0, but then they showed that in the end, she was not capable to be like Voight. But it wasn't written coherently enough to be a solid storyline of Upton going to the 'dark side' and then retreating in the last second, discovering that she is incapable of going 100% dark and mad. And it ended up being a total mess as Upton went back& forth regarding this issue, like a schizophrenic or bipolar person! The writing was simply awful, and it was all rather done for stupid drama between Upton and Jay in their romantic relationship, and this is why it failed. In the end, the new showrunner, the producers, and the writers also changed the whole Unit and the whole show, yes, even Ruzek. They made all of the characters less badass if you compare them to seasons 1-4 characters, and they did it to 'tick off' this stupid reform theme thing! They were afraid and tired of the public backlash after Floyd's death when the whole discussion around the cops in the country also turned into the discussion about the police brutality portrayal on TV. I remember all the heated discussions online about it. So this is why it wasn't just Upton who was turned into the insufferable, inconsistent hypocrite because of all of this, it was the transformation of the whole show, and the entire Unit, really. And it sucks! So that's not the actors' fault, that's what happens when the stupid extreme left interferes and wants to control all aspects of reality in the US, even the culture/TV, and when the showrunners bend to the public outrage& start to be involved in modern politics. I get that they had to do this police reform topic because, in the end, it is a modern cop show, and police reform was a big part of our reality so they couldn't just leave it completely out of the show, but they could have done it way better, consistently, and not changing the characters, not ruining them. There were a million other better ways to do it all! Especially since Voight and his Unit were always most badass towards real, disgusting criminals, not innocent people, so what was the problem!?
@@TheMightyN that's not the line, there are parents consenting to marry off their 12yo daughters to 40yo men. but 16 & 18 went to school together and likely had some classes with each other, they're considered cohorts. it's a bit ridiculous that if he was 17 there would be no case but the day he turns 18 he's supposed to ignore every single girl in his school.
Some loopholes give majors below 30 to have relationships with minors around 15 to 17 but the action is heavily frowned upon. Either way, a child and partner would need to consult with the parental guardian.
@@TheMightyN i've never heard of any loophole that allows someone to have sex with a minor half their age. you're thinking of romeo & juliet laws, where someone of age and someone underage aren't considered to be breaking the law if they're less than 3 years apart in age. so 15 & 18, or 16 & 19, would be ok but 15 & 29 absolutely would not.
I kinda feel sad for that woman. I could tell that she really cared about Elija, and it could have been a good relationship if she had waited until she was 18 so they could date properly. I mean, they were only 2 years apart. He was 18, not 28!
this is why romeo & juliet laws are/should be a thing. no one should be saddled with a lifelong SO conviction because he got frisky with a girl in his trig class.
She was excellent in seasons 4-6 because she started as the opposite of Erin: tough cop but by the book and very sure of her values, and that was what this show needed back then! I believe even you commented on how great she was, under the clip from the episode when Upton and Jay went after Booth - the guy who killed Upton's previous partner (it was season 5). And this comment of yours is still there. The problem was that the producers changed in season 7, plus the producers and the writers bowed to public opinion & the media outrage after Floyd died in 2020, exactly when they started to film season 7, and toned down the show & did the police reform theme. But they did it in such a sloppy way, that as a result, the characters and the essence of the show completely changed, and it all got ruined, not just Upton. I recently rewatched the whole show, and it's so visible that everything changed around season 7. Hank became very bland as a character compared to his original version, and he almost only, exclusively, popped up in the episodes giving orders to the team or sitting behind his desk and talking/arguing with superintendents or procurators, the action scenes with Voight were less and less. Jay started to fight with Voight again about the methods which didn't make sense at all because Jay was always badass and he only butt heads with Voight in the past because of Erin, but it was only at the start, and by season 7, they were on the same page for a long time, so it didn't make sense to suddenly do a 180-degree turn regarding Jay in season 7, it was awful idea! But it was obvious they did it to put a spotlight on the police reform theme in this season because of what happened in real life, in the country - so Floyd's case, BLM protests and calls from the public to 'defund the police'. So they needed one character visibly questioning Voight's methods to do this theme and they chose Jay for that, which was very stupid and didn't make sense since Jay was Irish, a veteran, a tough cop from Canaryville in Chicago, and all his background, and his past would be clear factors for him to be rather on the Voight's side, not the other. If they wanted to do this, they should have made Atwater the main advocate for the 'reform' since he was black and he was touched by and connected to all of this much more than Jay, Atwater's background was simply way better for this. Yes, they did it to some degree with Atwater too- they made him disagree with Voight when it comes to this aspect too, and sometimes argue with Voight in season 7, but he was kinda in the background while Jay was front and center when it didn't make sense to do this with Jay at all! Then they totally ruined Upton by making her bipolar in her approach to the 'methods' because first, as I wrote, they made her tough, badass but entirely by the book cop, then they tried to show Voight's influence on her, so they started to change her into Voight 2.0, but then they showed that in the end, she was not capable to be like Voight. But it wasn't written coherently enough to be a solid storyline of Upton going to the 'dark side' and then retreating in the last second, discovering that she is incapable of going 100% dark and mad. And it ended up being a total mess as Upton went back& forth regarding this issue, like a schizophrenic or bipolar person! The writing was simply awful, and it was all rather done for stupid drama between Upton and Jay in their romantic relationship, and this is why it failed. In the end, the new showrunner, the producers, and the writers also changed the whole Unit and the whole show, yes, even Ruzek. They made all of the characters less badass if you compare them to seasons 1-4 characters, and they did it to 'tick off' this stupid reform theme thing! They were afraid and tired of the public backlash after Floyd's death when the whole discussion around the cops in the country also turned into the discussion about the police brutality portrayal on TV. I remember all the heated discussions online about it. So this is why it wasn't just Upton who was turned into the insufferable, inconsistent hypocrite because of all of this, it was the transformation of the whole show, and the entire Unit, really. And it sucks! So that's not the actors' fault, that's what happens when the stupid extreme left interferes and wants to control all aspects of reality in the US, even the culture/TV, and when the showrunners bend to the public outrage and start to include modern politics. I get that they had to do this police reform topic because, in the end, it is a modern cop show, and police reform was a big part of our reality so they couldn't just leave it completely out of the show, but they could have done it way better, consistently, and not changing the characters, not ruining them. There were a million other better ways to do it all! Especially since Voight and his Unit were always most badass towards real, disgusting criminals, not innocent people, so what was the problem!?
@@NatDelfin yeah I didn’t follow any of that. I knew back then that Upton was better than Lindsay was at the time. But by the end somehow Upton became worse than Lindsay. Lindsay for all her issues she was at least loyal to her friends and she’d to anything to help them. Upton had Darrius Walker killed because he murdered her CI but she wasn’t willing to do the same for Roy Walton who nearly murdered Burgess.
also add that it was a 2 year gap, essentially 2 kids that could have shared a classroom together, and unless there other info i just missed, they should definitely not be punished because of it, oir atleast punished harshly
Im sure its perfectly fine for an officer to just show a potential suspect in a homicide an immage of the victims corpse in a alleyway.
im not a lawyer at all, but i think legally it is? since its public info? (not a lawyer, if im wrong lemme know)
It is when they’re still doing the investigation.
@@mcrchickenluvr They most definitely wouldn't show it to a suspect of the case outside a interrogation room with a camera. I don't believe they are allowed to show it in a public space, if it doesn't go against some random law it definitely goes against police practice.
voight's mo is police brutality i think it's the least of his issues
Hank: “ in Canada it's catch and release
“ but in Chicago ⛽🔥🔥”
I don’t know why, but what if someone who was trying to write a message in blood spelled some words wrong, can they determine age by that?
Not really. Too many elemental factors involved like humidity or a hotter day.
Unless there dyslexia
Nah ppl honestly don’t know how to spell
Some people are just bas spellers. Could go to state of mind, from organized to disorganized probably
I remember texting and messaging on AIM before autocorrect was a thing. If one day everyone's autocorrect stopped working, you'd think half the adults in your contacts had their phones stolen by their kids. It's astounding how many adults barely qualify as literate. 😢
That black eye looked like she rubbed hot sauce in it 😂
could say it's a very fresh black eye but yeah it does XD
I like how their lights are on but no sirens.
you never saw that before? it's a pretty common thing for cops to do, they are two different features on the car
Yeah...that's actually a thing lmao
"Maybe you like a it rough, too"?
Oh yeah, Jake, real smart threatening an officer of the law in front of her fully armed partner
@nightwingman666 She was excellent in seasons 4-6 because she started as the opposite of Erin: tough cop but by the book and very sure of her values, and that was what this show needed back then! I believe even you commented on how great she was, under the clip from the episode when Upton and Jay went after Booth - the guy who killed Upton's previous partner (it was season 5). And this comment of yours is still there. The problem was that the producers changed in season 7, plus the producers and the writers bowed to public opinion & the media outrage after Floyd died in 2020, exactly when they started to film season 7, and toned down the show & did the police reform theme.
But they did it in such a sloppy way, that as a result, the characters and the essence of the show completely changed, and it all got ruined, not just Upton. Really, I recently rewatched the whole show, and it's so visible that everything changed around season 7. Hank became very bland as a character compared to his original version, and he almost only, exclusively, popped up in the episodes giving orders to the team or sitting behind his desk and talking/arguing with superintendents or procurators, the action scenes with Voight were less and less;
Jay started to fight with Voight again about the methods which didn't make sense at all because Jay was always badass and he only butt heads with Voight in the past because of Erin, but it was only at the start, and by season 7, they were on the same page for a long time, so it didn't make sense to suddenly do a 180-degree turn regarding Jay in season 7, it was awful idea!
But it was obvious they did it to put a spotlight on the police reform theme in this season because of what happened in real life, in the country - so Floyd's case, BLM protests and calls from the public to 'defund the police'. So they needed one character visibly questioning Voight's methods to do this theme and they chose Jay for that, which was very stupid and didn't make sense since Jay was Irish, a veteran, a tough cop from Canaryville in Chicago, and all his background, and his past would be clear factors for him to be rather on the Voight's side, not the other.
If they wanted to do this, they should have made Atwater the main advocate for the 'reform' since he was black and he was touched by and connected to all of this much more than Jay, Atwater's background was simply way better for this. Yes, they did it to some degree with Atwater too- they made him disagree with Voight when it comes to this aspect too, and sometimes argue with Voight in season 7, but he was kinda in the background while Jay was front and center when it didn't make sense to do this with Jay at all!
Then they totally ruined Upton by making her bipolar in her approach to the 'methods' because first, as I wrote, they made her tough, but entirely by the book cop, then they tried to show Voight's influence on her, so they started to change her into Voight 2.0, but then they showed that in the end, she was not capable to be like Voight. But it wasn't written coherently enough to be a solid storyline of Upton going to the 'dark side' and then retreating in the last second, discovering that she is incapable of going 100% dark and mad. And it ended up being a total mess as Upton went back& forth regarding this issue, like a schizophrenic or bipolar person! The writing was simply awful, and it was all rather done for stupid drama between Upton and Jay in their romantic relationship, and this is why it failed.
In the end, the new showrunner, the producers, and the writers also changed the whole Unit and the whole show, yes, even Ruzek. They made all of the characters less badass if you compare them to seasons 1-4 characters, and they did it to 'tick off' this stupid reform theme thing! They were afraid and tired of the public backlash after Floyd's death when the whole discussion around the cops in the country also turned into the discussion about the police brutality portrayal on TV. I remember all the heated discussions online about it.
So this is why it wasn't just Upton who was turned into the insufferable, inconsistent hypocrite because of all of this, it was the transformation of the whole show, and the entire Unit, really. And it sucks! So that's not the actors' fault, that's what happens when the stupid extreme left interferes and wants to control all aspects of reality in the US, even the culture/TV, and when the showrunners bend to the public outrage& start to be involved in modern politics.
I get that they had to do this police reform topic because, in the end, it is a modern cop show, and police reform was a big part of our reality so they couldn't just leave it completely out of the show, but they could have done it way better, consistently, and not changing the characters, not ruining them. There were a million other better ways to do it all! Especially since Voight and his Unit were always most badass towards real, disgusting criminals, not innocent people, so what was the problem!?
Kinda weird seeing Hailey & Erin working together. To me at least
These kind of cases always end up murky.
Holy crap, I didn't know Elias Koteas was in this show! That station has Casey Jones enlisted in their ranks, that's AWESOME
The guy died to a two year age difference? Really?
2 years is 2 years. Age of consent shouldn't be a 'eh she's fine' kinda thing.
@@JustAJinx-ci6hgI don’t see anything wrong with a 18 and 16 year old together. All this of a 2 yrs difference?
@@JustAJinx-ci6hgIt does if the parents and or guardian give consent.
@@TheMightyN that's not the line, there are parents consenting to marry off their 12yo daughters to 40yo men. but 16 & 18 went to school together and likely had some classes with each other, they're considered cohorts. it's a bit ridiculous that if he was 17 there would be no case but the day he turns 18 he's supposed to ignore every single girl in his school.
Any woman under 20 years old is too young.
Y’all know the real reason why he was convicted and sent to jail
That thumbnail is drake right now 💀
7:20 makeshift torture devices?
18 and 16 shouldn't be illegal whatsoever. It's only a two year difference.
Tell that to a 16 year old’s parents
perfectly legal here in uk
Also, there's no telling if it was consensual or not... which it could very easily have not been... and not just cuz the age of consent.
Some loopholes give majors below 30 to have relationships with minors around 15 to 17 but the action is heavily frowned upon. Either way, a child and partner would need to consult with the parental guardian.
@@TheMightyN i've never heard of any loophole that allows someone to have sex with a minor half their age. you're thinking of romeo & juliet laws, where someone of age and someone underage aren't considered to be breaking the law if they're less than 3 years apart in age. so 15 & 18, or 16 & 19, would be ok but 15 & 29 absolutely would not.
Erin and Al. Good old days.
Yeah, I do agree with this guy being questioned.That's not a zip cuff
That is a table tie
rest in peace dude
It’s Freddy!
I kinda feel sad for that woman. I could tell that she really cared about Elija, and it could have been a good relationship if she had waited until she was 18 so they could date properly. I mean, they were only 2 years apart. He was 18, not 28!
this is why romeo & juliet laws are/should be a thing. no one should be saddled with a lifelong SO conviction because he got frisky with a girl in his trig class.
@@dietotaku A what now?
i clicked on this thinking it was a news story
Wooohooooooooo
Wheres Kim😢
toronto isn't as bad as chicago
Doesn’t mean bad things don’t happen then
So I'm failing to see why we investigated this. What crime was committed?
A guy was burnt alive
@@liammclaughlin3494 really? I didn't see a human just some burnt trash someone left unattended
@@Cameron-ls3qtbecause you can’t kill people.
The reason he says that he didn't see a human is because many consider pedos less than human.
@@Cameron-ls3qtThank goodness you don't make our laws then
Damn Upton was somewhat tolerable when she first showed up. By the end she was unrecognizable.
She was excellent in seasons 4-6 because she started as the opposite of Erin: tough cop but by the book and very sure of her values, and that was what this show needed back then! I believe even you commented on how great she was, under the clip from the episode when Upton and Jay went after Booth - the guy who killed Upton's previous partner (it was season 5). And this comment of yours is still there. The problem was that the producers changed in season 7, plus the producers and the writers bowed to public opinion & the media outrage after Floyd died in 2020, exactly when they started to film season 7, and toned down the show & did the police reform theme.
But they did it in such a sloppy way, that as a result, the characters and the essence of the show completely changed, and it all got ruined, not just Upton. I recently rewatched the whole show, and it's so visible that everything changed around season 7. Hank became very bland as a character compared to his original version, and he almost only, exclusively, popped up in the episodes giving orders to the team or sitting behind his desk and talking/arguing with superintendents or procurators, the action scenes with Voight were less and less.
Jay started to fight with Voight again about the methods which didn't make sense at all because Jay was always badass and he only butt heads with Voight in the past because of Erin, but it was only at the start, and by season 7, they were on the same page for a long time, so it didn't make sense to suddenly do a 180-degree turn regarding Jay in season 7, it was awful idea!
But it was obvious they did it to put a spotlight on the police reform theme in this season because of what happened in real life, in the country - so Floyd's case, BLM protests and calls from the public to 'defund the police'. So they needed one character visibly questioning Voight's methods to do this theme and they chose Jay for that, which was very stupid and didn't make sense since Jay was Irish, a veteran, a tough cop from Canaryville in Chicago, and all his background, and his past would be clear factors for him to be rather on the Voight's side, not the other.
If they wanted to do this, they should have made Atwater the main advocate for the 'reform' since he was black and he was touched by and connected to all of this much more than Jay, Atwater's background was simply way better for this. Yes, they did it to some degree with Atwater too- they made him disagree with Voight when it comes to this aspect too, and sometimes argue with Voight in season 7, but he was kinda in the background while Jay was front and center when it didn't make sense to do this with Jay at all!
Then they totally ruined Upton by making her bipolar in her approach to the 'methods' because first, as I wrote, they made her tough, badass but entirely by the book cop, then they tried to show Voight's influence on her, so they started to change her into Voight 2.0, but then they showed that in the end, she was not capable to be like Voight. But it wasn't written coherently enough to be a solid storyline of Upton going to the 'dark side' and then retreating in the last second, discovering that she is incapable of going 100% dark and mad. And it ended up being a total mess as Upton went back& forth regarding this issue, like a schizophrenic or bipolar person! The writing was simply awful, and it was all rather done for stupid drama between Upton and Jay in their romantic relationship, and this is why it failed.
In the end, the new showrunner, the producers, and the writers also changed the whole Unit and the whole show, yes, even Ruzek. They made all of the characters less badass if you compare them to seasons 1-4 characters, and they did it to 'tick off' this stupid reform theme thing! They were afraid and tired of the public backlash after Floyd's death when the whole discussion around the cops in the country also turned into the discussion about the police brutality portrayal on TV. I remember all the heated discussions online about it.
So this is why it wasn't just Upton who was turned into the insufferable, inconsistent hypocrite because of all of this, it was the transformation of the whole show, and the entire Unit, really. And it sucks! So that's not the actors' fault, that's what happens when the stupid extreme left interferes and wants to control all aspects of reality in the US, even the culture/TV, and when the showrunners bend to the public outrage and start to include modern politics.
I get that they had to do this police reform topic because, in the end, it is a modern cop show, and police reform was a big part of our reality so they couldn't just leave it completely out of the show, but they could have done it way better, consistently, and not changing the characters, not ruining them. There were a million other better ways to do it all! Especially since Voight and his Unit were always most badass towards real, disgusting criminals, not innocent people, so what was the problem!?
@@NatDelfin yeah I didn’t follow any of that. I knew back then that Upton was better than Lindsay was at the time. But by the end somehow Upton became worse than Lindsay. Lindsay for all her issues she was at least loyal to her friends and she’d to anything to help them. Upton had Darrius Walker killed because he murdered her CI but she wasn’t willing to do the same for Roy Walton who nearly murdered Burgess.
Rip
Are you kidding?
@@Bootmahoy88 nope still a human life no matter what you done i dont judge people i only see them for how horrible the injury is
also add that it was a 2 year gap, essentially 2 kids that could have shared a classroom together, and unless there other info i just missed, they should definitely not be punished because of it, oir atleast punished harshly