Yeah, the hottest 7.62x25mm I could find online with 1 min of searching has a muzzle energy of 655 J from a 120mm barrel. And I imagine it could be loaded even hotter. The hottest 9x19mm I know of, the Russian overpressure round 7n31, has a muzzle energy of 756 J. And 7n31 is a specialty cartridge designed to defeat body armor. The basic variants of 9x19mm I could find have a muzzle energy up to 630 J. So 7.62x25mm is definitely not a slouch, even surpassing 9x19mm in some cases.
@@wastedangelematis The average 7.62x25 FMJ round has considerably more muzzle energy than the average .45 ACP FMJ round. Comparisons with .50 AE are moot since no one makes an SMG based on that round.
Reliable drum ? Underpowered 7.62x25 ? Wtf are these people talking about... The Soviets switched to stick magazines for a reason , because the drums sucked by the lack of quality controle.. + the 7.62x25 is probably one of the best types of ammo in its Classe with can reach magnum energie on impact.
quality control was not the issue; the issue was the mags were, from production, fitted to the gun another issue with drums was, for the same mass and volume of stick mags, you carry less ammo
@@FirstnameLastname-do1px , which has significantly more power? The 7.62 or the standard 9mm? As someone that’s fired, literally, tens of thousands of rounds of, ironically, both 7,62 Tokarev and 9mm through several PPSh41’s, the one I’d prefer NOT to be hit with would be the Tokarev. The gun has a slightly slower cyclic rate with 9mm but not much, still around 800rpm. Running 9mm right beside the 7.62 Tokarev is about the only way to notice the difference. Unfortunately, the 7.62 Tokarev is in such short supply these days and jumped to about 5 times what it used to cost. 10 + years ago but still boatloads of 9mm to play with.
I would use it In combat today but not with the 7.62 BB’s. The one I get to play with several times a year has been rebarreled for the much more available 9mm.
1. No, the drums were not reliable. Very difficult to load, heavy, bulky, and springs were weak. Stick mags worked much better 2. 7.62x25 was actually very powerful at 1,500 fps
Pappa-Shaw is how every native Russian speaker i've ever heard pronounce it. Maybe you should have spent a quarter century learning how to knit, you'd probably have a scarf by now
.... the libertarian left... You can’t really say the left in general because Soviets were alt left and the alt left love it when people say the Soviets were cool.
most of the germans while on duty in the Eastern Front were willing to kill russian soldiers so that they can get their hands on a ppsh41.. while their mp40 smgs got jammed
Sorry I have to disagree here with something that was said. The drum and stick magazines where horribly unreliable and if the mag wasn't made for the gun then picking up anyone else's mag to load your gun would almost always end up in a stoppage!! And not just one but constant jams!! This is why collectors now have horrible troubles trying to get mags to work for these firearms if the one they bought didn't have the original mags with it. WTF are these "experts" on about? Underpowered? are you freaking kidding me? I've put a 7.62x25 round through a 9kg gas bottle at 25m and in went clear though it like it wasn't even there!!! And that was from a pistol and not a longer sub machine gun barrel!! The only sub round that has the possibility of beating in is the 45ACP.
The German modification of PPSH, MP41(r) would be a better choice since it is PPSH that use 9mm perabelum stick mag, it offer better stopping power which is what you need in CQB.
The 7.62*25mm round is under powered? It can penetrate level IIa body armor at 25 yards with a muzzle velocity of over 1500 fps!
Yeah, the hottest 7.62x25mm I could find online with 1 min of searching has a muzzle energy of 655 J from a 120mm barrel. And I imagine it could be loaded even hotter. The hottest 9x19mm I know of, the Russian overpressure round 7n31, has a muzzle energy of 756 J. And 7n31 is a specialty cartridge designed to defeat body armor. The basic variants of 9x19mm I could find have a muzzle energy up to 630 J. So 7.62x25mm is definitely not a slouch, even surpassing 9x19mm in some cases.
They probably mean compared to a rifle cartridge.
@@saiga12forme88 quite propably yes, unless he meant "big in the eye" like .45 acp or .50 express
Ik right?
@@wastedangelematis The average 7.62x25 FMJ round has considerably more muzzle energy than the average .45 ACP FMJ round. Comparisons with .50 AE are moot since no one makes an SMG based on that round.
Man, the PPSh must fire around 900-1000 rpm!
Reliable drum ? Underpowered 7.62x25 ? Wtf are these people talking about...
The Soviets switched to stick magazines for a reason , because the drums sucked by the lack of quality controle.. + the 7.62x25 is probably one of the best types of ammo in its Classe with can reach magnum energie on impact.
quality control was not the issue; the issue was the mags were, from production, fitted to the gun
another issue with drums was, for the same mass and volume of stick mags, you carry less ammo
Are you kidding me? 7.62 tokarev does not reach magnum levels of power, lay off the crack.
@@FirstnameLastname-do1px , which has significantly more power? The 7.62 or the standard 9mm? As someone that’s fired, literally, tens of thousands of rounds of, ironically, both 7,62 Tokarev and 9mm through several PPSh41’s, the one I’d prefer NOT to be hit with would be the Tokarev. The gun has a slightly slower cyclic rate with 9mm but not much, still around 800rpm. Running 9mm right beside the 7.62 Tokarev is about the only way to notice the difference. Unfortunately, the 7.62 Tokarev is in such short supply these days and jumped to about 5 times what it used to cost. 10 + years ago but still boatloads of 9mm to play with.
CoD WaW Multiplayer made me fall in love with this gun. If I got myself into some trouble, I'd want this gun.
that gun could still be viable for any army even today
North Korea still uses it
I would use it In combat today but not with the 7.62 BB’s. The one I get to play with several times a year has been rebarreled for the much more available 9mm.
Good choice for Guerilla fighters
The drum mags were not that great. The troops found that they had to find one or two that worked in their particular gun, and hang onto them.
This gun is about as simple as it can get and still work.
1. No, the drums were not reliable. Very difficult to load, heavy, bulky, and springs were weak. Stick mags worked much better
2. 7.62x25 was actually very powerful at 1,500 fps
Poland issued the PPSH after the war as well
ppsh-41 was still being used in Iraq
Also known as the best gun in Call of Duty World at War for the DS.
Even though less rounds. I prefer a stick mag to the drum variant. Time consuming to load and some wouldn't fit on the machine pistol?!
Sturdy, inexpensive, gets the job done - I'll take TEN
love your videos
Pappa Shaw? First time I've heard it called that, and I have a good quarter century history with the P-P-S-H
(Edit) pay pay shaw 🤔
Pappa-Shaw is how every native Russian speaker i've ever heard pronounce it. Maybe you should have spent a quarter century learning how to knit, you'd probably have a scarf by now
Who could dislikes this?
People who refuse to learn or have zero understanding about firearms.
.... the libertarian left...
You can’t really say the left in general because Soviets were alt left and the alt left love it when people say the Soviets were cool.
maybe the nazis
most of the germans while on duty in the Eastern Front were willing to kill russian soldiers so that they can get their hands on a ppsh41.. while their mp40 smgs got jammed
Is this the forerunner of the Czech. (She') VZ 52 Police Carbine?
Nice gun
excelent gun
Half the video is introduction and then the video replays parts of the introduction in the main body.
How many rounds does the clip hold?
studinthemaking it doesn’t use clips 🤷🏽♂️
'Clips" fucking idiot...
The word you are looking for is “Magazine.” It holds 30 I believe, but I think for the circular “drum” magazine is 60 rounds.
Stick mags: 35
Drums: 71
The Soviet PPS-43 was a little bit more simple then the PPSh-41.
3:30 "The drum magazine was VERY reliable" lol is that guy joking? 😂 It was the biggest drawback of that gun, that's why they later adopted PPS-43
Didn't they adopt the Sudayev because it was easier and cheaper to manufacture?🤔
Sorry I have to disagree here with something that was said. The drum and stick magazines where horribly unreliable and if the mag wasn't made for the gun then picking up anyone else's mag to load your gun would almost always end up in a stoppage!! And not just one but constant jams!! This is why collectors now have horrible troubles trying to get mags to work for these firearms if the one they bought didn't have the original mags with it. WTF are these "experts" on about? Underpowered? are you freaking kidding me? I've put a 7.62x25 round through a 9kg gas bottle at 25m and in went clear though it like it wasn't even there!!! And that was from a pistol and not a longer sub machine gun barrel!! The only sub round that has the possibility of beating in is the 45ACP.
The "burp" gun!
The German modification of PPSH, MP41(r) would be a better choice since it is PPSH that use 9mm perabelum stick mag, it offer better stopping power which is what you need in CQB.
Now too expensive to shoot, 7.62x25 rounds. I was offered to shoot one, but can't afford it, they spit out rounds way too fast! LOL.
I recently found a crate of these in my grandpa’s attic. Are they worth anything?
If you can keep it... I definitely would.
It’s an icon if history.
Bout as simple as it gets
71k views. Coincidence? Great job comrades. 😂
I own one but I can't find any bullets for it!!
Check the wikiarms website and that might be able to find some for you. It's a search engine for ammo.