FORD STARTED THAT TREND! EITHER ECO OR BOOST! CAN'T HAVE BOTH!! it's the exact same for Toyota! Difference is, the Toyota will stay super ultra reliable!
@@gabevillarreal96 well eco when you’re just cruising and driving it empty. Power when you’re towing or hauling (as proven by output numbers, tow rating, speed, and capability with the powerboost generator)
I wish someone would do a 5 year comparison between trucks with similar mileage. Interesting to compare, Rust, Service/Repair record, Mileage and finally resale value.
Not even close! When it comes to Reliability resal values durability and dependability, Toyota is KING. Not fuel economy. I love the look and ride of the ram and sound but wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole with my money! Toyota Trucks for life!
No the V8 will still be an option with the ram even though the tt I6 is in the works also its safe to say the hemi has already proven its reliability over decades
@@vee950 Ram is underneath the Fiat banner and it's already stated that 2023 is the last year of the hemi for all brands. Jeep, Dodge, Ram, etc. Going to be turbo six with a hybrid variant from then on.
Great job! After owning 3 Toyota trucks I switched over to my first RAM truck last year. RAM makes a great truck. New Tundra is a "No" for me because of the TT engine.
The tundra with the body matched grill ring and black bumpers (as shown) actually looks pretty good. The problem is you can only get the TRD Off-road package with the ugly silver/chrome grill ring and silver/chrome bumpers. I actually talked with a dealer about this. I told them I hate the silver on the truck, but I want the TRD off-road package, and was told the only way they could do it, would be to paint those pieces after the fact at the dealership (for additional money of course). They lost my sale. I went to Ram and they built me the exact truck I wanted. I ordered a 1500 Big Horn with the Backcountry package, it's arriving next month. I also test drove both trucks, and preferred the ride and interior of the Ram. It was quite the shock to me, as I had fully intended to buy the 2022 Tundra, upgrading from my current truck, a 2014 Tacoma.
Drove a 2003 Tundra for 15 years and now a 2020 Ram Classic. Both great trucks but the first gen Tunra with 4.7L V8 was unstoppable. That said I really like my Ram! Time will tell.
Great review and real world perspective in my opinion. if I was an open truck market Buyer with no brand attachment, this alone would pull me to the RAM. Bring in the looks department, hands down the RAM wins all day.
Hey guys, great video. I consistently get around 22+ mpg in my 2019 Big Horn with MDS disabled, running on probably the same roads (hyw 400 to hyw 11 etc). Got to keep the speed down to 103 or so. I have the 3.21 gears and drive in the right lane so there's that too. Best to date was 25 but that was 3 hours of pure 105 km/h (no city or rural), factory tires and oil. Running thicker oil for towing and Michelin tires I no longer get 25 but can still easily get 22.
i have a 2013 ram 1500 hemi with 3.21 rear, mds stopped working at 214000 miles which is fine, one reg. gas i can still get 23 mpg, best truck ive ever owned.
That's pretty good. On a long drive last week, my 2022 Ram Bighorn V8 got around 25 mpg from 55mph to 60mph on cruise control. Most I've gotten on a single drive is 32 mpg when cruising at around 45mph on a flat country road. Mpg Drops a lot once I cruise at 75mph though, usually around 19 mpg. The engine sounds so good, it's hard to not mash the pedal and destroy that gas mileage though. Great truck!
Great video as usual guys! I don't understand why everyone thinks a hard working, high compression engine moving a 5,000+lbs vehicle will be more efficient than a lazy, underworked V8? If the power outputs are similar and working conditions are about equal the V8 will outperform the TTV6. I've thrown turbos on a couple cars and increased fuel mileage but only because the engine suddenly had 100 more hp than stock and the weight difference was negligible, as soon as I stomped the skinny pedal all my savings would vanish though LMAO Imagine if that ram had a closer rear end ratio and a 10spd transmission🤤
The problem with this thinking is you are treating an engine like it is an athlete. Engines don't have feelings. The engine doesn't know how hard it is working, in the sense that you make it seem. Input is x, output is y. If it is designed better, with higher quality parts, quality control etc. the number of cylinders is really quite irrelevant. You are correct when you stomp a turbo it eats gas, but so does the V8. Case in point compare the old Toyota Tundra to the Ram. The fuel economy was horrendous. The number of cylinders are irrelevant. The technology is. Saving gas has nothing to do with the extra HP. I would think for someone who has thrown turbos on cars, you would know some theory behind forced induction. By your theory, a high powered race car would sip gas when not racing. This is not the case. The transmission also has a massive role to play...gearing...
Lighter power to weight ratio means nothing to you? We put a 318 into a Dakota and it was a fuel miser compared to when it was in grandmas 5th Avenue. Sorry to hurt your feelings but reality doesn't always line up with what we want to believe sir. Be well and have fun out there fella🤙
A big reason modern V8s have better efficiency is because Ford, GM, and Ram have all added some version of cylinder deactivation. Which is a real shame frankly, since it kills the longevity of the engine. With the V8s you have a choice: delete cylinder deactivation at the cost of mpg, or keep cylinder deactivation to the risk of your cams/lifers.
Well it is a "half ton" which means its supposed to have half a ton of payload. Both these trucks specifically have coil rear as well. Your average non luxury half ton has 1500-2000lbs of payload, which is 3/4th ton to 1 ton of payload. When that naming convention came out, there were only 1 row/2 door trucks, and they could at max carry about half a ton of stuff. The fact that 1 ton srw trucks can have 4900lbs of payload now is absolutely nuts, before you needed something like a cab-chassis with 8 leaf suspension.
They’re called half-tons for a reason. The fact these trucks have a payload of 2000lbs is honestly impressive. Modern 1 tons can have a payload of nearly 8000lbs which is beyond ridiculous.
All they needed was a 10spd behind the old 5.7, I average between 11-13L/100km on the old 6spd with the V8. No way in the world more gears would have made it less economical, swing and a miss for ole Yota on this new Tundra😪
I'm curious, as someone who will defend Toyota vs Ram to the grave, what speed this was, if there was much downhill, do you have a 4x4? etc... I find it really difficult to believe. I test drove a 2021 and did some loops with zero traffic total about 35km at 90km an hour, almost totally flat road and didn't achieve that. Was literally testing the best fuel economy possible, which in my current truck and every other vehicle I have ever owned is somewhere between 80 and 100km/h
I’m a Toyota guy, I’ve owned several of them. They failed with this one. All that time doing RND for what. Gain a couple MPG……lame. Slap a 10 speed on that old trusty V8 and you would’ve probably got the same MPG.
Im also a Toyota guy, I have a 2021 Tacoma SR5 and love it. I've seen nothing but complaints about the new tundra. If I was getting a tundra I'd definitely get the 2020-2021
After my initial break in of the engine. My 23 tundra sr 4x4 crewmax is getting 24mpg. So I can't complain. Just took a trip to Texas and back to Ohio. 1000 miles each way of mixed driving. 23.4mpg. I am happy with that. That was running 75/80 mph.
The new Tundra has two additional radiators in the front corners for the intercoolers together with separate electric coolant pump and hoses. It’s very complicated and just like BMW’s their resale value will drop in 2027 because current owners won’t be able to afford repairs. Mark my words…
I had a 2018 Ram Rebel with the 5.7 HEMI. Was driving on the interstate in the pooring rain going about 55 mph. That was as fast as I was willing to go, but dummies all around me were going like 70-75. Next thing I know...WHAM!!! Some idgit going too fast in the left lane hydroplaned and smacked me from behind...sending me spinning down the highway at 55 mph. I spun a couple time and just knew I was gonna take a second hit...either from a car or from running into something. The rear end ran straight into the concrete barrier in the middle. Twisted the frame and totaled my ride. Now I'm trying to decide whether to get another RAM or a Tundra. That RAM V8 definitely has an awesome sound and I'm gonna miss it if I choose something else.
One other thing to consider with the RAM is that the HEMI is old school technology. Two valve, cam in the belly and no turbos or direct injection. I see this as a plus for longevity as long as you maintain the vehicle properly. My son is driving my old 2009 RAM with basically the same HEMI and has 260k miles(about 418KM). There will not be any oil dilution (from gasoline) issues as there typically is in boosted direct injection engines. This also translates into less chance of excessive carbon buildup. I know the Toyota has dual injection so that will help but that is twice as many injectors to potentially fail.The oil dilution and extra carbon in boosted engines also shortens the life of the cam timing system (chain). This is why I got rid of my last 3.5eb powered F150. I just recently bought a RAM 1500 Limited with the HEMI and so far I am falling a little bit below the EPA numbers. However my truck only has 850 miles on it so far so it isn't even broken in yet. Also I have not had a chance to take it on a long road trip. The sound of a good old fashioned V8 is something that just stirs me on a primal level. Nice comparison and I kinda feel like your conclusions are valid as well.
If you are keeping vehicle after warranty you sure don't want a Turbo let alone a twin turbo cause if 1 turbo needs replacing you have to do both $$$$$$$
That tundra instrument cluster is terrible. Really has some cheap rental car vibes. I feel they made it look so awful so you’ll want to option up to the digital dash.
Stop/Start on tundra only activates when brake pedal is pushed harder than normal when coming to a stop. Its talked about on the consumer reports video
I have had a F150 and now a 2020 Tundra but never a RAM. It looks good but will the reliability and quality be as high as is proven by the Toyota Tundra. Can you consistently get 500K miles on the RAM like you can on the Tundra. Remains to be proven! I'll take the Tundra for the long haul.
people make this one mistake when choosing American or Japanese made cars and that is Japanese cars specially Toyota does not break as often as American made cars. I got 2020 GMC sierra 1500 only 27000 km and has been to the mechanics maybe 15 times already and I'm still waiting for the parts. Every time I bought an American made vehicle that has been the case. Every time I buy Toyota, I never EVER had any issues weather electrical or mechanical.
Love the content as always. I would love to see these trucks in a MPG towing test. I don’t think the tundra would hold up the same mpg as the V8, and not just the etorque, but any of the v8’s
I don't know why people whine about the turbos. Turbo engines blow up for two main reasons: Oil pressure issues, turbo eats itself (and everything else in your engine) OR high/over boost problems blowing rings or gaskets. Diesels have been running turbos for decades, we're well aware of how they work. Detuned for regular gas, modern metal, modern ECUs, should be fine. The V8's are going to die, wether we like it or not. Turning the truck on and off a million times isn't really a solution.
I agree, the new Tundra is slightly disappointing when it comes to mpg in your test. However, there are other UA-camrs that are getting better as well. Makes me feel pretty good that my '15 F150 4x4 SCAB with 2.7 averages around 20 mpg. Of course we don't get snow and extreme cold here in Southeast Texas either.
My 17 2.7 F150 averages 20.4, recently, well last week I hypermiled it, best a hillbilly in the mountains of West Virginia can and increased mpg’s to 20,94, but it wasn’t any fun. I am a fan of this engine
In this test the Ram was a hybrid so not really the same. They brought up the tires as well so who knows. Also I think the longer you drive the truck and break it in the gas will get better.
Why do you compare Ram gas mileage in the winter ( Everytime). My Ram get 3 mpg less in cold weather, but I live in Texas where it's hot 75% of the time. On top of that, didn't buy it for gas mileage.
Which looks better? They both look great as they sit, hard one to answer, but there’s something about the Toyota that makes it look future proof, and that’s the interest that has me looking at Toyota
Considering that this was an SR5 with a doublecab and lower curb weight, this is a really bad start for the TT V6 from toyota. It should NOT be losing to this ram under any circumstance, even without the hybrid. But like the F150, the EPA rating is super inflated compared to real world numbers because small turbo engines just guzzle gas. Especially ones that run on regular. Both the F150 and Tundra are 87 octane recommended but all their horsepower, torque, towing, and fuel economy ratings are on premium. It's blatantly false advertising and should be illegal to do test with premium and then detune to run on regular.
Former Yota fanboy who went with a 2021 Ram Rebel, and I have to say, I'm crazy impressed with the Ram. The fit and finish is top notch, it's comfortable and capable, and Stelantis has really improved the reliability- as confirmed by Consumer Reports.
Stelantis hasn't done anything for reliability. According to JDpower dependability for vehicles after 3 years Fiat/Ram products were still on the bottom.
I just started this.....but I predict you'll complain about the tundra ride compared to the dodge (which is probably caused by optioning the really stiff trd suspension).
Even with the twin turbos, the Toyota engine is going to last a lot longer than a Chrysler/ Fiat engine. If you dont believe me look at the resale between the two brands. Sure the V8 sounds great, but its outdated tech for most use scenarios. I have a '23 Tundra and it smokes V8 trucks on the highway.
not surprising to get nearly identical economy when the engines have nearly identical horsepower ratings and are being driven identically. It doesn't matter how much displacement difference there is between 2 engines, if they are both properly tuned and have the same amount of modern tech and are both tuned for the same horsepower, they should get similar economy. Assuming complete atomization of fuel and efficient combustion, it takes theoretically the same amount of fuel to make 390 horsepower out of any sized engine.
13-14 LITERS/100KM! FFS! My Levorg goes like 7 to 10 depending on weather, and we are talking about 4wd and automatic trans. edit: And I know fuel price is more than half cheaper in USA than in Finland.
I stopped watching about 3 minutes in. You said you are not comparing apples to apples in trim levels so you are only going to focus on drivetrain as you can't pick the models you get. Then you immediately start talking about appearance packages and trim levels.
Like the old Saying goes you can’t be displacement!! The turbos are just another thing to go wrong, I have a 2017 Ram with 3:92 and it works great, cruising at 55 to 60 , am getting average 13.5 and towing my 16 ft travel trailer average about 15.5 to 16, love the power !!
@@question_it_701 sorry but if you read it right, 13.5 on a average before the trailer, 15.5 to 16 with the trailer!!! KEY WORD” “and” !! Sorry the grammar was hard for you to understand!
Im definitely not a fan of a 6cyl turbo in a fullsize truck... But I can tell you with no doubt my new worktruck Ram 2500 with 6.4 has been the biggest POS Ive ever driven... My aircooled VWs as a kid were more reliable. Its always towed back to and sitting around the dealer for major repairs, Id NEVER own a Ram... The old saying, "Rams are just mobile carrying boxes for Cummins and Hemi swaps" is true.
As far as looks goes the ram wins. Which is most less expensive to keep up on repairs & which is less on the pocket when filling up is my major concerns..
I've owned four Tundras. 05, 08, 19 and currently own an 03 TRD in excellent condition. The 2022 is a flop, imo. The unimpressive mpg doesn't bother me and I don't off-road so I could care less about tow hooks, but it is ugly, inside and out, they got rid of the nice big hvac dials and they no longer offer a front bench seat which is a deal breaker for me. I don't care for the looks of the Ram either. I think the refreshed 2022 GMC Elevation is the nicest looking truck and you have three different power plants to choose from plus they offer a bench seat and have dials to control the normal use luxuries which is nice especially when you use it as a work truck and wear gloves.
Yeah I'm thinking about getting an at4 gmc, with nice front lockers and rear lockers plus automatic 4x4 . I always had toyotos , but I just can't do it 😔 this time.
Everyone is wrong here! You should get the new Ford RAINBOW truck , load it with Bud light and go to Subway.. Very popular with about 20 people in the US>>
I bought a 22 1794 been having different issues since the day i got it. I ended up getting a lawyer because they dont wanna fix the main issue. Something’s wrong with its transmission or something. Noice is coming when cold starting after driving for a little bit. Waste of 85k
Not a bad video but the trim comparisons don’t make a ton of sense. I understand you get what you get but sport, the suspension, tires, etc are for different purposes
The new Tundra is a spectacular failure at almost every level, considering what they were trying to accomplish. It's ugly, already reporting electrical issues, no corner steps on the bumper to access the bed and the gas mileage is no better than a V8. The reality is when you bolt a turbo on anything, your forcing it to be something it's not. I'll take the naturally aspirated V8 everytime. I guess Toyota is content with remaining a distant 4th place in sales behind the big 3. I know some diehard Tundra guys who are even jumping ship on this new one.
and they will regret jumping ship. It isn't ugly to a lot of people. That is an opinion. Toyota doesn't sell more because of the stigma of driving a Japanese vehicle in construction and rural demographics, also fleet sales aren't a big part of most Toyota dealership business models. Many stories and examples on the job site of listening to people complain about their domestics; things that would never happen with a Toyota, especially brand new. Last comment I heard was from a triaxle driver who exactly said, "The RAM is at the dealer again." "Oh yeah? What for?". "Push button start doesn't work. Got in, pushed it, nothing happens.". It's a push button. Also have heard of paint peeling, which these Truck King guys mentioned in their own long term RAM review. Only RAM I'd get is a cummins with the aisin transmission, but don't have any need for a diesel.
Losing what exactly? By a fraction of L/100KM on a test where the testers themselves said it was not accurate enough to make a call? It will quadruple the RAMS value in 10 years when trading it in, and have 1/10th the headaches along the way. lol
@@danbutler4314 This new Tundra is a flop. That opinion is shared by many former and current Tundra owners. I owned one up until last year. It’s far better than the 22
@@pryme2013 This video is comparing the RAM to the 22 Tundra, for one thing. The old Tundra couldn't sell anymore because of efficiency. That does matter to some people...it's the reason I got rid of my FJ Cruiser. For what it was, the fuel economy was sickening. I still stand by the fact that the Toyota will outlast and especially out value that RAM in the long run. It's not really debatable. You could argue that the new one may be unreliable, who knows yet...that could be true, although I think unlikely, but regardless it will still hold it's value much better in the long run. You will find it when you trade your existing one. I drove a Tacoma for 2 years on a lease, bought out the lease and sold it for the same price as the MSRP was new. That can't happen with a RAM (with exception of because of Coronavirus and chip shortage etc...it is possible that some have sold theirs for more than they paid in the last 2 years, but that goes for everything.)
@@danbutler4314 It's very much debatable. The QDR of the 2nd gen Tundra has not transitioned to the 3rd gen. The forums and internet are full of people having issues with the 22 Tundras. Everything from paint peeling to stalling out while trying to make a turn from a stop.
Hands down the RAM V8 over the high maintenance over engineered Tundra twin turbo v6. What in the world Toyota was thinking. RAM this is your chance to run to 4th base just make it annoyingly reliable then no one can catch up to you.
The only way the Tundra looks good is in that blackout trim. When the chrome or silver is on it's ugly. Overall it continues to be a very disappointing truck.
I'd select the Toyota for quality, craftsmanship, reliability, durability, dependability, performance, highest resale value, longevity and piece of mind.
Lol The new Tundra Craftsmanship is a complete Joke ! Auto Start/ Stop didn’t even work & there are so many other numerous issues New Tundra owners are experiencing!
@@roadglide1142 It is funny how when there is any sort of issue with anything Toyota or Honda, even in a first year fully redesigned model, domestic fanboys and even the media are all over it. Look up Rams for recalls and TSB's then we can talk. What a joke. Again, "I'd select the Toyota for quality, craftsmanship, reliability, durability, dependability, performance, highest resale value, longevity and piece of mind." - THIS
Still going to be the Toyota. Significantly less money, better looking, historically longer lasting, and better resale value. Of course, given the choice between a RAM and a Razor Scooter, I’d take the Scoot
Ram is going to the twin turbo 3.5L v6 in 2024 or 2025. Same engine that is in the jeep wagoner. Stellantis already said they are getting rid of the 5.7 hemi. Fact
I was debating buying a Tundra or Ram earlier last year… I ultimately chose the Ram and do not regret it. I’m 30k miles in and that Hemi is roaring strong…
Just wait. New tranny and terrible resale is in your future. 200k and at least 1 tranny guaranteed. If you’ve never owned a Toyota you’ll never know quality. American stuff seems ok until ya get up in mileage. Just read the resale values. Toyota trucks diminish very little in 5 years. Big 3 30% easy. You can lease a Toyota truck, turn it in and they will pay you the equity. Ask me how I know
@@Nk-bc1qb Your right the Ram my drive and have a better interior but nothing beating a toyota as far as long term reliability maybe Honda but that's about it. Honda or Toyota if you like to save money long-term. But if you swapping out cars and trucks every 4 to 5 yrs buy what you want. lol
I purchased the 2018 Tundra with the V8 5.7 crewmax sr5 TSS. I will not purchase any VEHICLE with a turbo installed. It is only designed for the manufacturer to cut cost but still charge the high price as if it were a v8. What anyone in the industry will tell you is that YOU DO NOT WANT A TURBO in a large city. TURBOS eat away at your components. It's nothing but high pressure air being mixed with the gas. I found this 2018 Tundra in perfect condition. Still has a year left on warranty and I have another 4 year warranty on top of it. For $41,000 total it was still a ripping I got with a a 8.97 interest rate. My other vehicle I purchased this Jan was only 4% interest.
@@Nk-bc1qblmfao who tf cares about resale on a depreciating asset. If you’re not prepared to lose your money you can’t afford it. ZF 8 speed is probably the mist reliable part of the Ram, idk what the fuck you’re yapping about.
Very realistic mpg run. It sure would have been interesting if Toyota ran this 10 speed and 3.31 gears with the old 5.7v8. I am guessing the MPG would have been similar to the new v6. Pretty low payloads - especially in the Ram.
I love the RAM. I bought a 2022 White with Black trim GT. Same exact one you all were testing...Love it!!!
To get so little extra MPG and lose the V8 sound makes absolutely no sense. Not to mention, the GT package on the Ram is just cool!
I notice you cleverly avoided the elevation benefits with turbos, higher payload, cost AND way more torque.
It’s a Toyota vs Chrysler. You can’t possibly like the Ram better. Gross.
So you rather have shitty MPG just cuz the V8 sounds good 🤣🤣 grow up
FORD STARTED THAT TREND! EITHER ECO OR BOOST! CAN'T HAVE BOTH!! it's the exact same for Toyota! Difference is, the Toyota will stay super ultra reliable!
@@gabevillarreal96 well eco when you’re just cruising and driving it empty. Power when you’re towing or hauling (as proven by output numbers, tow rating, speed, and capability with the powerboost generator)
The big take away here is that you should definitely not trade in your late model V8 truck for V6 tundra just for fuel economy.
🤣 why
I wish someone would do a 5 year comparison between trucks with similar mileage. Interesting to compare, Rust, Service/Repair record, Mileage and finally resale value.
Any Tundra is going to have better resale value than a Ram.
@@blackericdenice yea I was gonna say I think I would take the Tundra....Longevity is unprecedented....
Not even close! When it comes to Reliability resal values durability and dependability, Toyota is KING. Not fuel economy. I love the look and ride of the ram and sound but wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole with my money! Toyota Trucks for life!
@@gabevillarreal4779 hemi V8 is bulletproof. Behind v8 tundra but better than v6 turbo
Reliability of the V6 Turbo compared to a normally aspirated V8 is what people are concerned about, more than just HP and torque.
Yep to fully compare V6 to V8 you gotta come back in 100K miles after towing with both engines and compare maintenance history.
guess it won't matter since Ram is going to turbo inline 6 next year so you can throw the V8 reliability comparison out the window.
No the V8 will still be an option with the ram even though the tt I6 is in the works also its safe to say the hemi has already proven its reliability over decades
@@vee950 2023 is the last year for the 5.7 and 6.4 V8 across the board for FCA.
@@vee950 Ram is underneath the Fiat banner and it's already stated that 2023 is the last year of the hemi for all brands. Jeep, Dodge, Ram, etc. Going to be turbo six with a hybrid variant from then on.
I think these results are a testament to just how aerodynamic the Ram’s body is compared to the Tundra.
Great job! After owning 3 Toyota trucks I switched over to my first RAM truck last year. RAM makes a great truck. New Tundra is a "No" for me because of the TT engine.
CORRECT … smart man.
Rams are great! Mine is going on 225k. No problems.
The tundra with the body matched grill ring and black bumpers (as shown) actually looks pretty good. The problem is you can only get the TRD Off-road package with the ugly silver/chrome grill ring and silver/chrome bumpers. I actually talked with a dealer about this. I told them I hate the silver on the truck, but I want the TRD off-road package, and was told the only way they could do it, would be to paint those pieces after the fact at the dealership (for additional money of course). They lost my sale.
I went to Ram and they built me the exact truck I wanted. I ordered a 1500 Big Horn with the Backcountry package, it's arriving next month. I also test drove both trucks, and preferred the ride and interior of the Ram. It was quite the shock to me, as I had fully intended to buy the 2022 Tundra, upgrading from my current truck, a 2014 Tacoma.
Drove a 2003 Tundra for 15 years and now a 2020 Ram Classic. Both great trucks but the first gen Tunra with 4.7L V8 was unstoppable. That said I really like my Ram! Time will tell.
Great review and real world perspective in my opinion. if I was an open truck market Buyer with no brand attachment, this alone would pull me to the RAM. Bring in the looks department, hands down the RAM wins all day.
Hey guys, great video. I consistently get around 22+ mpg in my 2019 Big Horn with MDS disabled, running on probably the same roads (hyw 400 to hyw 11 etc). Got to keep the speed down to 103 or so. I have the 3.21 gears and drive in the right lane so there's that too. Best to date was 25 but that was 3 hours of pure 105 km/h (no city or rural), factory tires and oil. Running thicker oil for towing and Michelin tires I no longer get 25 but can still easily get 22.
i have a 2013 ram 1500 hemi with 3.21 rear, mds stopped working at 214000 miles which is fine, one reg. gas i can still get 23 mpg, best truck ive ever owned.
That's pretty good. On a long drive last week, my 2022 Ram Bighorn V8 got around 25 mpg from 55mph to 60mph on cruise control. Most I've gotten on a single drive is 32 mpg when cruising at around 45mph on a flat country road. Mpg Drops a lot once I cruise at 75mph though, usually around 19 mpg. The engine sounds so good, it's hard to not mash the pedal and destroy that gas mileage though. Great truck!
22 mpg with a 5.7 L hemi? You’re delusional.
@@craigfoster294 very easy to do, just dont drive over 70 on the hwy,
Similar mpg. On rolling hills under 65 I’ve seen better than 22mpg
Great video as usual guys! I don't understand why everyone thinks a hard working, high compression engine moving a 5,000+lbs vehicle will be more efficient than a lazy, underworked V8? If the power outputs are similar and working conditions are about equal the V8 will outperform the TTV6.
I've thrown turbos on a couple cars and increased fuel mileage but only because the engine suddenly had 100 more hp than stock and the weight difference was negligible, as soon as I stomped the skinny pedal all my savings would vanish though LMAO
Imagine if that ram had a closer rear end ratio and a 10spd transmission🤤
The problem with this thinking is you are treating an engine like it is an athlete. Engines don't have feelings. The engine doesn't know how hard it is working, in the sense that you make it seem. Input is x, output is y. If it is designed better, with higher quality parts, quality control etc. the number of cylinders is really quite irrelevant. You are correct when you stomp a turbo it eats gas, but so does the V8. Case in point compare the old Toyota Tundra to the Ram. The fuel economy was horrendous. The number of cylinders are irrelevant. The technology is. Saving gas has nothing to do with the extra HP. I would think for someone who has thrown turbos on cars, you would know some theory behind forced induction. By your theory, a high powered race car would sip gas when not racing. This is not the case. The transmission also has a massive role to play...gearing...
Lighter power to weight ratio means nothing to you? We put a 318 into a Dakota and it was a fuel miser compared to when it was in grandmas 5th Avenue. Sorry to hurt your feelings but reality doesn't always line up with what we want to believe sir. Be well and have fun out there fella🤙
@@danbutler4314 race car getting good gas mileage seems odd to you? Look at the TPI 5.7 corvette. From what 86 up ish.. they got 20mpg plus
A big reason modern V8s have better efficiency is because Ford, GM, and Ram have all added some version of cylinder deactivation. Which is a real shame frankly, since it kills the longevity of the engine. With the V8s you have a choice: delete cylinder deactivation at the cost of mpg, or keep cylinder deactivation to the risk of your cams/lifers.
I was a big chevy guy, but i decided to buy a Ram. I love my 2020 Ram truck. They really hit it out of the park.
Always surprises me how little the payload capacities are on these full size trucks.
Well it is a "half ton" which means its supposed to have half a ton of payload. Both these trucks specifically have coil rear as well. Your average non luxury half ton has 1500-2000lbs of payload, which is 3/4th ton to 1 ton of payload. When that naming convention came out, there were only 1 row/2 door trucks, and they could at max carry about half a ton of stuff. The fact that 1 ton srw trucks can have 4900lbs of payload now is absolutely nuts, before you needed something like a cab-chassis with 8 leaf suspension.
Yeah... They are 1/2 ton trucks dude. Heavy springs would make for a terrible ride. Adding airbags ($150) adds a lot more payload capability.
They’re called half-tons for a reason. The fact these trucks have a payload of 2000lbs is honestly impressive. Modern 1 tons can have a payload of nearly 8000lbs which is beyond ridiculous.
Payload in a Ranger or Maverick can be more
@@ryanbray7812 airbags don't add to payload it just levels payload.
All they needed was a 10spd behind the old 5.7, I average between 11-13L/100km on the old 6spd with the V8. No way in the world more gears would have made it less economical, swing and a miss for ole Yota on this new Tundra😪
Last year on my Long trip to camp I saw 12.4 to 13.5 L/100. I think that is not terrible.
For the reliability and peace of mind I can afford to lose a couple L/100Km for sure😎
agreed that and a refreshed interior look + infotainment system was all it needed 😎
Agree. Massive failure on ole Yota balls
I'm curious, as someone who will defend Toyota vs Ram to the grave, what speed this was, if there was much downhill, do you have a 4x4? etc... I find it really difficult to believe. I test drove a 2021 and did some loops with zero traffic total about 35km at 90km an hour, almost totally flat road and didn't achieve that. Was literally testing the best fuel economy possible, which in my current truck and every other vehicle I have ever owned is somewhere between 80 and 100km/h
The ram is light years ahead. The Toyota may last longer but your getting a lot with that beautiful ram.
Great fair review guys!! You both need to do more
Ram, all day, I have 05 Ram 4.7 love it big time, mine is not fast, but I really like the way it drives and handles
Am amazed by that 5.7 hemi v8
That 3 liter duramax may be the way to go
I’m a Toyota guy, I’ve owned several of them. They failed with this one. All that time doing RND for what. Gain a couple MPG……lame. Slap a 10 speed on that old trusty V8 and you would’ve probably got the same MPG.
It's because the iForce won't pass emissions in 2023 without a complete redesign. It sucks but CAFE killed the V8.
Im also a Toyota guy, I have a 2021 Tacoma SR5 and love it. I've seen nothing but complaints about the new tundra. If I was getting a tundra I'd definitely get the 2020-2021
After my initial break in of the engine. My 23 tundra sr 4x4 crewmax is getting 24mpg. So I can't complain. Just took a trip to Texas and back to Ohio. 1000 miles each way of mixed driving. 23.4mpg. I am happy with that. That was running 75/80 mph.
The new Tundra has two additional radiators in the front corners for the intercoolers together with separate electric coolant pump and hoses. It’s very complicated and just like BMW’s their resale value will drop in 2027 because current owners won’t be able to afford repairs. Mark my words…
I had a 2018 Ram Rebel with the 5.7 HEMI. Was driving on the interstate in the pooring rain going about 55 mph. That was as fast as I was willing to go, but dummies all around me were going like 70-75. Next thing I know...WHAM!!! Some idgit going too fast in the left lane hydroplaned and smacked me from behind...sending me spinning down the highway at 55 mph. I spun a couple time and just knew I was gonna take a second hit...either from a car or from running into something. The rear end ran straight into the concrete barrier in the middle. Twisted the frame and totaled my ride. Now I'm trying to decide whether to get another RAM or a Tundra. That RAM V8 definitely has an awesome sound and I'm gonna miss it if I choose something else.
Well I got the 2022 ram v6 etorque and I am truly amazed the best gas saver i ever had 305hp drives like a v8 saves gas like a 4 banger 👌
V8 for the long gevity of the truck! So much more to go wrong on the twin turbo.
Just bought a 22' ram 5.7 Etorque Big Horn and it get a solid 18 to 19mpg combined. I really do like the V8 and comfort of ride
One other thing to consider with the RAM is that the HEMI is old school technology. Two valve, cam in the belly and no turbos or direct injection. I see this as a plus for longevity as long as you maintain the vehicle properly. My son is driving my old 2009 RAM with basically the same HEMI and has 260k miles(about 418KM). There will not be any oil dilution (from gasoline) issues as there typically is in boosted direct injection engines. This also translates into less chance of excessive carbon buildup. I know the Toyota has dual injection so that will help but that is twice as many injectors to potentially fail.The oil dilution and extra carbon in boosted engines also shortens the life of the cam timing system (chain). This is why I got rid of my last 3.5eb powered F150. I just recently bought a RAM 1500 Limited with the HEMI and so far I am falling a little bit below the EPA numbers. However my truck only has 850 miles on it so far so it isn't even broken in yet. Also I have not had a chance to take it on a long road trip. The sound of a good old fashioned V8 is something that just stirs me on a primal level. Nice comparison and I kinda feel like your conclusions are valid as well.
agree 100%
If you are keeping vehicle after warranty you sure don't want a Turbo let alone a twin turbo cause if 1 turbo needs replacing you have to do both $$$$$$$
That tundra instrument cluster is terrible. Really has some cheap rental car vibes. I feel they made it look so awful so you’ll want to option up to the digital dash.
Stop/Start on tundra only activates when brake pedal is pushed harder than normal when coming to a stop. Its talked about on the consumer reports video
Who dares to compare a Ram with a Tundra? Rams are nice trucks but ready to break down after a few thousand miles!
I have had a F150 and now a 2020 Tundra but never a RAM. It looks good but will the reliability and quality be as high as is proven by the Toyota Tundra. Can you consistently get 500K miles on the RAM like you can on the Tundra. Remains to be proven! I'll take the Tundra for the long haul.
people make this one mistake when choosing American or Japanese made cars and that is Japanese cars specially Toyota does not break as often as American made cars. I got 2020 GMC sierra 1500 only 27000 km and has been to the mechanics maybe 15 times already and I'm still waiting for the parts. Every time I bought an American made vehicle that has been the case. Every time I buy Toyota, I never EVER had any issues weather electrical or mechanical.
Love the content as always. I would love to see these trucks in a MPG towing test. I don’t think the tundra would hold up the same mpg as the V8, and not just the etorque, but any of the v8’s
Only thing TK didn’t do they should’ve done. Put them on the line and drag race! C’mon ! Of course when there wasn’t any snow…
you failed to advise that the mild hybrid has additional 130 Foot lbs through 1st 3 gears so Ram has more than the toyota
I always prefer USA Trucks.
A- Many mechanic's available,
B-easy to find parts for it.
C- Parts and laborers are cheaper.
D- All of the above 😍
I don't know why people whine about the turbos. Turbo engines blow up for two main reasons: Oil pressure issues, turbo eats itself (and everything else in your engine) OR high/over boost problems blowing rings or gaskets. Diesels have been running turbos for decades, we're well aware of how they work. Detuned for regular gas, modern metal, modern ECUs, should be fine. The V8's are going to die, wether we like it or not. Turning the truck on and off a million times isn't really a solution.
I agree, the new Tundra is slightly disappointing when it comes to mpg in your test. However, there are other UA-camrs that are getting better as well.
Makes me feel pretty good that my '15 F150 4x4 SCAB with 2.7 averages around 20 mpg. Of course we don't get snow and extreme cold here in Southeast Texas either.
My 17 2.7 F150 averages 20.4, recently, well last week I hypermiled it, best a hillbilly in the mountains of West Virginia can and increased mpg’s to 20,94, but it wasn’t any fun. I am a fan of this engine
In this test the Ram was a hybrid so not really the same. They brought up the tires as well so who knows. Also I think the longer you drive the truck and break it in the gas will get better.
@@poppyneese1811 that's worse than the chevy 5.3
I like the 5.7 L Tundra, with the 4:10 rear end.
Mine gets about the same gas mileage and is proven.
Why do you compare Ram gas mileage in the winter ( Everytime). My Ram get 3 mpg less in cold weather, but I live in Texas where it's hot 75% of the time. On top of that, didn't buy it for gas mileage.
I still throw up a little every time I see the Tundra.
+1 here
Asa life long Toyota fan, i must agree.
Wasn't the reason companies are moving to smaller displacement is for emissions. I don't think mpg was the goal.
I would take the ram anyday over the Tundra
Which looks better? They both look great as they sit, hard one to answer, but there’s something about the Toyota that makes it look future proof, and that’s the interest that has me looking at Toyota
its ugly
hard for me to understand why trucks cost more than a typical house here in SC
Considering that this was an SR5 with a doublecab and lower curb weight, this is a really bad start for the TT V6 from toyota. It should NOT be losing to this ram under any circumstance, even without the hybrid. But like the F150, the EPA rating is super inflated compared to real world numbers because small turbo engines just guzzle gas. Especially ones that run on regular. Both the F150 and Tundra are 87 octane recommended but all their horsepower, torque, towing, and fuel economy ratings are on premium. It's blatantly false advertising and should be illegal to do test with premium and then detune to run on regular.
Former Yota fanboy who went with a 2021 Ram Rebel, and I have to say, I'm crazy impressed with the Ram. The fit and finish is top notch, it's comfortable and capable, and Stelantis has really improved the reliability- as confirmed by Consumer Reports.
Stelantis hasn't done anything for reliability. According to JDpower dependability for vehicles after 3 years Fiat/Ram products were still on the bottom.
@@Maverick7538 HD Power is an unreliable source.
I just started this.....but I predict you'll complain about the tundra ride compared to the dodge (which is probably caused by optioning the really stiff trd suspension).
Ram weigh more too
Even with the twin turbos, the Toyota engine is going to last a lot longer than a Chrysler/ Fiat engine. If you dont believe me look at the resale between the two brands. Sure the V8 sounds great, but its outdated tech for most use scenarios. I have a '23 Tundra and it smokes V8 trucks on the highway.
not surprising to get nearly identical economy when the engines have nearly identical horsepower ratings and are being driven identically. It doesn't matter how much displacement difference there is between 2 engines, if they are both properly tuned and have the same amount of modern tech and are both tuned for the same horsepower, they should get similar economy. Assuming complete atomization of fuel and efficient combustion, it takes theoretically the same amount of fuel to make 390 horsepower out of any sized engine.
Not fair should have compared the Tundra Hybrid vs the Ram Hybrid. The Tundra will win the MPG and the rest once that is proper.
13-14 LITERS/100KM! FFS! My Levorg goes like 7 to 10 depending on weather, and we are talking about 4wd and automatic trans. edit: And I know fuel price is more than half cheaper in USA than in Finland.
The Ram is a hybrid, should get a lot better gas mileage than the Tundra. Not really a fair gas mileage test.
Mild hybrid, and it’s still a v8
I stopped watching about 3 minutes in. You said you are not comparing apples to apples in trim levels so you are only going to focus on drivetrain as you can't pick the models you get. Then you immediately start talking about appearance packages and trim levels.
Like the old Saying goes you can’t be displacement!! The turbos are just another thing to go wrong,
I have a 2017 Ram with 3:92 and it works great, cruising at 55 to 60 , am getting average 13.5 and towing my 16 ft travel trailer average about 15.5 to 16, love the power !!
So you're getting better gas mileage by pulling a 16ft trailer? Hmm. You should tow two of them at a time and really boost your mpg!
@@question_it_701 sorry but if you read it right, 13.5 on a average before the trailer, 15.5 to 16 with the trailer!!! KEY WORD” “and” !! Sorry the grammar was hard for you to understand!
The ram look better I'm taking that truck all day long
Almost like TFL did the same tests before you....
As a 2020 Tundra owner I would Take the Dodge,Turbo and cheese grater grill ,not my cup of tea.
Im definitely not a fan of a 6cyl turbo in a fullsize truck... But I can tell you with no doubt my new worktruck Ram 2500 with 6.4 has been the biggest POS Ive ever driven... My aircooled VWs as a kid were more reliable. Its always towed back to and sitting around the dealer for major repairs, Id NEVER own a Ram... The old saying, "Rams are just mobile carrying boxes for Cummins and Hemi swaps" is true.
As far as looks goes the ram wins. Which is most less expensive to keep up on repairs & which is less on the pocket when filling up is my major concerns..
Awesome video gentleman
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I've owned four Tundras. 05, 08, 19 and currently own an 03 TRD in excellent condition. The 2022 is a flop, imo. The unimpressive mpg doesn't bother me and I don't off-road so I could care less about tow hooks, but it is ugly, inside and out, they got rid of the nice big hvac dials and they no longer offer a front bench seat which is a deal breaker for me. I don't care for the looks of the Ram either. I think the refreshed 2022 GMC Elevation is the nicest looking truck and you have three different power plants to choose from plus they offer a bench seat and have dials to control the normal use luxuries which is nice especially when you use it as a work truck and wear gloves.
It is hard to look at ,. I may go with Ram or the super titan
Yeah I'm thinking about getting an at4 gmc, with nice front lockers and rear lockers plus automatic 4x4 . I always had toyotos , but I just can't do it 😔 this time.
Everyone is wrong here! You should get the new Ford RAINBOW truck , load it with Bud light and go to Subway.. Very popular with about 20 people in the US>>
Why is the difference so big between official and actual numbers!? Could it be winter weather?
I bought a 22 1794 been having different issues since the day i got it. I ended up getting a lawyer because they dont wanna fix the main issue. Something’s wrong with its transmission or something. Noice is coming when cold starting after driving for a little bit. Waste of 85k
The RAM’s V8 sounds BEAUTIFUL 😍
It sounds even better after it rusts through the floor boards and it fills the cab with pure exhaust noise and fumes.
@@ghostmofo5829 anything made of metal can rust. It’s all in how you take care of it.
Ok
Looking
compared to my Trd Pro no comparison. Glad I didn't trade mine in.
Not a bad video but the trim comparisons don’t make a ton of sense. I understand you get what you get but sport, the suspension, tires, etc are for different purposes
The new Tundra is a spectacular failure at almost every level, considering what they were trying to accomplish. It's ugly, already reporting electrical issues, no corner steps on the bumper to access the bed and the gas mileage is no better than a V8. The reality is when you bolt a turbo on anything, your forcing it to be something it's not. I'll take the naturally aspirated V8 everytime. I guess Toyota is content with remaining a distant 4th place in sales behind the big 3. I know some diehard Tundra guys who are even jumping ship on this new one.
and they will regret jumping ship. It isn't ugly to a lot of people. That is an opinion. Toyota doesn't sell more because of the stigma of driving a Japanese vehicle in construction and rural demographics, also fleet sales aren't a big part of most Toyota dealership business models. Many stories and examples on the job site of listening to people complain about their domestics; things that would never happen with a Toyota, especially brand new. Last comment I heard was from a triaxle driver who exactly said, "The RAM is at the dealer again." "Oh yeah? What for?". "Push button start doesn't work. Got in, pushed it, nothing happens.". It's a push button. Also have heard of paint peeling, which these Truck King guys mentioned in their own long term RAM review. Only RAM I'd get is a cummins with the aisin transmission, but don't have any need for a diesel.
@@danbutler4314 Internet and forums are full of issues from owners of 22 Tundras.
I think that the look is more fitting on the Sequoia TRD Pro.
No offense to the Tundra, but, I kind of like the Ram GT better. I would prefer the smoother ride as well…
Why 10 speed rear end? 122-125 in 3rd gear maybe 5000 rpm.6 speed transmission.
I said it before i'm ram all the way for the look's and the v8 sound
Lmao at Tundra losing to a big V8 with a 3.92 rear end.
Losing what exactly? By a fraction of L/100KM on a test where the testers themselves said it was not accurate enough to make a call? It will quadruple the RAMS value in 10 years when trading it in, and have 1/10th the headaches along the way. lol
@@danbutler4314 This new Tundra is a flop. That opinion is shared by many former and current Tundra owners. I owned one up until last year. It’s far better than the 22
@@pryme2013 This video is comparing the RAM to the 22 Tundra, for one thing. The old Tundra couldn't sell anymore because of efficiency. That does matter to some people...it's the reason I got rid of my FJ Cruiser. For what it was, the fuel economy was sickening. I still stand by the fact that the Toyota will outlast and especially out value that RAM in the long run. It's not really debatable. You could argue that the new one may be unreliable, who knows yet...that could be true, although I think unlikely, but regardless it will still hold it's value much better in the long run. You will find it when you trade your existing one. I drove a Tacoma for 2 years on a lease, bought out the lease and sold it for the same price as the MSRP was new. That can't happen with a RAM (with exception of because of Coronavirus and chip shortage etc...it is possible that some have sold theirs for more than they paid in the last 2 years, but that goes for everything.)
@@danbutler4314 It's very much debatable. The QDR of the 2nd gen Tundra has not transitioned to the 3rd gen. The forums and internet are full of people having issues with the 22 Tundras. Everything from paint peeling to stalling out while trying to make a turn from a stop.
@@danbutler4314 all bullshit
Hands down the RAM V8 over the high maintenance over engineered Tundra twin turbo v6. What in the world Toyota was thinking. RAM this is your chance to run to 4th base just make it annoyingly reliable then no one can catch up to you.
The only way the Tundra looks good is in that blackout trim. When the chrome or silver is on it's ugly. Overall it continues to be a very disappointing truck.
for $20k cheaper....You can get Ram 1500 Performance. I wonder how the iForce Max Tundra wouldv'e did.
Do a comparison on the iforce max with that one
I take the tundra quality and reliable
I'd select the Toyota for quality, craftsmanship, reliability, durability, dependability, performance, highest resale value, longevity and piece of mind.
Lol The new Tundra Craftsmanship is a complete Joke ! Auto Start/ Stop didn’t even work & there are so many other numerous issues New Tundra owners are experiencing!
@@roadglide1142 It is funny how when there is any sort of issue with anything Toyota or Honda, even in a first year fully redesigned model, domestic fanboys and even the media are all over it. Look up Rams for recalls and TSB's then we can talk. What a joke. Again, "I'd select the Toyota for quality, craftsmanship, reliability, durability, dependability, performance, highest resale value, longevity and piece of mind." - THIS
@@roadglide1142 I own a 2018 Tundra and I would not trade it for the new one. Fit and finish coupled with turbo issues is enough to keep me away.
@@roadglide1142 Those junkyota fanboys are completely brainwashed. No point of wasting time making any comment.
@@marcelo403polo2 So you've owned a Toyota? Or are you a self appointed authority?
Only 90000 for the Ram. What a deal. Is there a Ram on the planet that has over 300000 miles on it?
Still going to be the Toyota. Significantly less money, better looking, historically longer lasting, and better resale value.
Of course, given the choice between a RAM and a Razor Scooter, I’d take the Scoot
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We are going to focus on the motors. Then spend a whole segment on the suspension....
So this tundra isn’t the max version? With the hybrid electric motor
Ram with the v8 all day I don’t care about the gas mileage it is that v8 roar
I would go with the Ram....... but not at that price 😱
Ram is going to the twin turbo 3.5L v6 in 2024 or 2025. Same engine that is in the jeep wagoner. Stellantis already said they are getting rid of the 5.7 hemi. Fact
Tundra engine needs bedding in more.
The MPG changes hugely
Screw a 6 cyl. They screwed the pooch by dropping that great iforce v8. Guess the used Toyota truck market just became more valuable than the new.
I'll take the Ram 1500 V8 E-Torque.
Truck made for towing. Not race. It's mainly for work truck. V6 with turbo, When turbo goes out? It's couple of thousand dollars!!!
Well you know he seemed to leave out the fact that the ram has all those extras at create more weight which is going to cause worse fuel economy
Compare the v8 Tundra with the v6TT
Dodge just reminds me of a bulldike. Always has.
I was debating buying a Tundra or Ram earlier last year… I ultimately chose the Ram and do not regret it. I’m 30k miles in and that Hemi is roaring strong…
Just wait. New tranny and terrible resale is in your future. 200k and at least 1 tranny guaranteed. If you’ve never owned a Toyota you’ll never know quality. American stuff seems ok until ya get up in mileage. Just read the resale values. Toyota trucks diminish very little in 5 years. Big 3 30% easy. You can lease a Toyota truck, turn it in and they will pay you the equity. Ask me how I know
@@Nk-bc1qb Your right the Ram my drive and have a better interior but nothing beating a toyota as far as long term reliability maybe Honda but that's about it. Honda or Toyota if you like to save money long-term. But if you swapping out cars and trucks every 4 to 5 yrs buy what you want. lol
I purchased the 2018 Tundra with the V8 5.7 crewmax sr5 TSS. I will not purchase any VEHICLE with a turbo installed. It is only designed for the manufacturer to cut cost but still charge the high price as if it were a v8. What anyone in the industry will tell you is that YOU DO NOT WANT A TURBO in a large city. TURBOS eat away at your components. It's nothing but high pressure air being mixed with the gas. I found this 2018 Tundra in perfect condition. Still has a year left on warranty and I have another 4 year warranty on top of it. For $41,000 total it was still a ripping I got with a a 8.97 interest rate. My other vehicle I purchased this Jan was only 4% interest.
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@@Nk-bc1qblmfao who tf cares about resale on a depreciating asset. If you’re not prepared to lose your money you can’t afford it. ZF 8 speed is probably the mist reliable part of the Ram, idk what the fuck you’re yapping about.
The more videos I watch the more the new Tundra is a huge letdown.
There is a reason ram has kept its flagship hemi 5.7 in the rams and that cause it’s been proven reliability and power.
Im here 2 years later and ram killed the hemi. 😭
im buying these v6 whenever they reach 150 to 200k without breaking parts. all youtubers comparing brand news vehicles is just pointless
Very realistic mpg run. It sure would have been interesting if Toyota ran this 10 speed and 3.31 gears with the old 5.7v8. I am guessing the MPG would have been similar to the new v6. Pretty low payloads - especially in the Ram.
Good point on trans .
payloads are super disappointing
Fantastic video guys, love the real world comparisons.
8:05 you didn't notice they put up a picture of the old Tundra with a 3.4 v6 mpg?