@@youtubepremium2764 I think they are a great way to balance some of the sadness this channel gives sometimes. If you don't like them just skip them, or at least make a normal coment, not this sarcastic bs.
@coffeehouse crime. Please. Check out Mahek Bukari, ongoing trial in Leicester. Social media influencer. Case involves infedility. Car chase, black mail and murder. Its all being really well documented in the uk. Its like a movie!
I went to school with Carter and was in the same graduating class. This happened the morning of the first day of senior year so the school gave him an honorary diploma at graduation. His younger sister walked the stage to receive it and there probably wasn't a dry eye in the whole place. He will be missed.
I remember that vividly. Carter and I were classmates in junior year, and while we weren’t friends he always treated me with decency and respect. Graduation felt somewhat somber seeing his sister going up to receive the diploma Carter was robbed of.
That must have been so hard for both of you. I recall losing classmates (actually two best friends) and it was so hard to come to terms with. My thoughts and prayers are with you guys and of course his parents. God bless
I went to school with Carter Davis. Had a class with him. While we weren’t exactly friends, he was one of the few people who treated me with kindness. I can say that he was a good guy and he’s still missed to this day by people who knew him.
Thank you for sharing Tristan. I always appreciate when someone leave the comment that really affirms that this indeed was a real person that touched many lives in many ways. This is truly one of those very tragic stories.
Seeing the detective cry while giving evidence made me realize how difficult it can be for detectives to have to listen to the gory details - and not respond as they would probably wish to - Total Respect....!
Hello, thank you for making this video. I was in marching band with Natalie (she was in color guard, but we all saw each other regularly). This completely affected not only myself mentally but our entire community of Roswell. I have never really felt safe here ever again. The Publix where this occurred is very nearby my house and Ive never been able to step foot near it without feeling sick. Natalie was a beautiful person. My fondest memory that I have of her is when we were eating before one of our marching band home games. She invited me to sit with her and her sister, was nothing but kind and inviting to me, and even sang to me and her as we sat there. She had a beautiful voice and I will always remember her in this way and I hope all of you will as well ❤😊
Thank you for the respectful video. Jeffrey was my best friend in elementary school- I can promise you he was not faking or ‘acting crazy’. Everything you described is as I remember him when we were children- he was well known in school to have no impulse control or judgment of right and wrong, and would, on occasion, get up on the desks and howl like a wolf, and even bite people. We would often play imagination games during recess, and the ‘invisible dog’ thing was a common part. I was never allowed to go home with him, but I met his grandparents, and they seemed kind, like they were doing their best, but were simply overwhelmed. The last time I saw him was the December before the murders- I was home from college, and he was working at a craft store near North Point Mall. I remember remarking to my mom that he seemed more stable, and I was happy for him. And then the next time I hear of him, it’s this on the news. It was such a shock.
'He got the female out of the car and made her lean over the hood and he spanked her. The he shot her'. God. The things parents and family members have to go through in a trial. And it destroyed the detective too, having to recount that in front of the family members. I can't imagine the pain. And it is more crazy and numbing to just think the victims were at the wrong place and at the wrong time. He just happened to be there and decided to kill spontaneously. It's f scary.
@@maoinc13 you shouldnt have to worry about that kind of thing. in most cases, this wouldnt happen. but if youre concerned with safety, then yeah, take it indoors.
I just started watching these true mystery stories and have noticed such an enormous change in my alertness both inside and outside my home. Because I have a large dog I was constantly forgetting to lock my doors and had a bad habit of going and standing by people's car doors that I didn't know and chatting with them through duh window. I weigh 110 lb and someone would be able to yank me inside in a few seconds. I even met this man and I told him I was having a difficult time finding anyone to cut my lawn for me. He took my number saying he knew someone and he'd have them give me a call he called on a Sunday and said you know I don't have anything to do why don't I come over and take a look and he says I have a big driving lawn mower and I can probably take care of it for you in no time. The guy ended up asking for $20 for gas and calling back two weeks later apologizing for not following through and that he would get the 20 bucks back to me. He was obviously an absolute loser that probably ran out of beer money figured out a way to take advantage of a nice lady and did. When I watch these shows I get so angry with myself because I never should have allowed a complete stranger to even set foot on my property guard dog or not. We watch all of these random act of kindness videos on UA-cam and the reality of it is people are simply not spending their time helping other people. My new rule if they offer to help I walk the other way quickly we live in a very scary world and not everyone looks as creepy as this kid did. Anyway I'll keep on watching until it gets so ingrained in my head that I will never be careless again. I realize so often it's being in the wrong place at the wrong time but bless these kids hearts if they hadn't got together behind a grocery store at 3 a.m. in the morning they would still be here with us. They are of course not responsible but that was a bad choice.
The detective was pulling an Amber heard for the court. In interrogation she was calm cool and collected. This was 100 percent avoidable if people listened to the grandparents. We don’t prevent crimes, we punish them after and it’s disgusting.
@@degarri7995perhaps but keep in mind the detective wasn't sitting directly in front of the victim's parents when questioning the criminal. Two completely distinct scenarios.
This story is so tragic, it broke me when it happened. I am a combat veteran, I gave my highest earned medal to Carter's mother Michelle in honor of him. Rest peacefully, Natalie and Carter. Thank you CHC for honoring the victims.
I love the way the police officer reacts to Jeffrey's claims during the interrogation footage, it's almost like she has seen her fair share of people pretend to be mentally incompetent for trial and she's sick of it.
I live just 30 min away from where this happened and I remember when it happened but I never knew how it ended, so thank you for covering it. I do agree that Jeffrey suffered from some mental illness and probably issues from his mother’s substance abuse, but I felt like he was putting on “crazy” as a defense. I think he knew what he did, even returned to the scene to lose the bodies, then drove to his girlfriends house. I’m glad he will never be free again. So sorry to the families of Carter and Natalie for their loss.
You should check out the cops that arrested someone based off of a coin flip on 92. Raintree Dr behind the skyzone/Publix area is a hotbed of dealers. I knew a lot of upper class horseshoe bend people with dealers so close in Roswell or Sandy Springs.
@@johnd5740 hey... when i used to slang... if the cops caught me I'd be willing to have a coin flip to see if I got arrested. Since it's illegal to sell narcotics.... the cops should arrest you 100% of the time... cutting that by 50% by coin flip isn't a bad wager.
You felt like? Did your mother drink alcohol while pregnant? Did your mother take drugs while pregnant? How come women like that are never punished? How come all blame is gone when the kids is a man growing up? Gimme a break from this. Disgusting women drinking alc and takimg substances while FUKING PREGNANT. WHERE IS THE PUNISHMENT for disgusting women like that.
The mother, who abused substances during the pregnancy. The guardians, who didn't make effort to diagnose and medicate the kid. And the sightless state which had to incarcerate for life the monster who grew up from that kid. Two lives lost, another one is forever corrupted beyond repair; that shit makes me incredibly sad and angry.
As someone from England I’ve got to say ice tea actually makes sense in warm environments. Refrigerated ice tea is the only thing more refreshing than water during a heat wave.
My adopted son was born with FAS. And his behavior is getting more erratic and violent. And the system will not properly help us get him treated. I have listened to enough of these to worry where this will end up 😔
I’m so sorry to hear this. My nephews are adopted brothers saved from drug addicted parents who abandoned them to starve. The eldest was whip smart, but ended up a homeless drug addict by choice (despite all of the love and care and help his adoptive parents gave him or got him). The youngest was a drug baby and had a learning disability, but he ran away (as an adult) and learned a trade and supported himself elsewhere. Then he eventually returned to his home town, got a job, met a woman and had a child with her. They’re still together and stable. It’s almost random how children with a trauma background and related health problems turn out. It’s difficult to find effective help, but all parents can do is their best. I hope you’re able to find real, effective help for your child.
I live in Atlanta and I remember when this happened. I had friends who knew Natalie. So awful and heartbreaking. Thank you for bringing this horrible crime to light.
Adrian you have the gift of being able to recount these true crime/strange cases with complete balance. Your hard work in achieving quality presentations shows through every time. In trying to understand others, we better understand ourselves and appreciate what we have. Thanks again from Australia 🇦🇺 😊
HELLO ADRIAN! I really hope this reaches you (somehow) but im sure this will get drowned out in the comments lol. Could you look into the case of "Seath Jackson" in the city of Ocala, Florida? It was a BRUTAL story of a young high schooler involving 6 people plotting his death. A very sad story in my hometown that left us devastated. Something that may be up your alley! but anyway, love the videos and the support you've gotten! It's well deserved! (P.S. maybe we can upvote this so he gets a chance to see it?!)
It's crazy how someone can kill people horrendously but as soon as they get hurt themselves or caught by law enforcement they turn into a big ass crybaby! SMH
Thank you for mentioning FASD! He almost certainly had it and it definitely influenced his difficulties. With more awareness people like him can access early intervention and tragedies like this can be averted
I have to disagree, UA-cam psychiatry is not a profession, no one here knew him intimately nor has any in depth knowledge of his actual upbringing, it's just being presumptuous to assume he wasn't faking mental illness(he wouldn't be the first murderer to hear voices,shake and fake it)
FASD can cause incredibly poor judgement and impulsivity. People with FASD can also have incredibly good verbal skills, which with one sufferer allowed him to get through a job interview only to be incapable of doing the job. People with FASD can appear very capable due to verbal abilities, but in fact are profoundly disabled and need intensive support from family, employers, carers etc, but with the right support can succeed at life. Jeffrey would have had a lot of trouble with exercising good judgement, he simply wouldn't have thought murder through, the consequences wouldn't have occurred to him, he could have been verbally very articulate though making him look a lot more competent and able to think things through than he actually was.
Why did the grandparents have a safe full of knives and swords?! If they were that frightened of their grandson, maybe don't have weapons in the house? There's no "breaking into" a safe, so he must have known the combination.
You absolutely CAN break into a safe. Pretty easily in fact. All you need is a stethoscope. You spin the tumbler and listen for the clicks of the pins dropping into place. After a few minutes of that you can figure out the combination.
Note: I adore how the detective is questioning Jeff. "Seriously? That's what we're going with? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, Jeffrey." She's hilarious
Granted to have to know your job. I'm sure the police want to rip the guys up in the interrogation room, but often minimization techniques get the confession much better.
I just don't think a police officer should be snarky and disrespectful, that's totally uncalled for. I really didn't like her abrasive tone. Jeff should have stopped talking to her immediately but didn't have the mental sanity to.
@@absolutelypitiful3837 she was pushing his buttons and it worked, different suspects require different treatment. For another suspect being kind and friendly would be the best tactic.
I'm not kidding, I served Jeffrey and his gf food at Town Center Mall at the time of his crimes. My coworker and I were talking about the weird way they held their food when they ate. We weren't people watchers, they grabbed our attention. Jeffrey came up for a refill when I noticed his Rush - Spirit of Radio shirt, I said "Nice shirt, I love Rush!" He quietly switched instantly and looked at me quizzically, asking "Do you? Love Rush?". I confirmed and he continued, "What albums or songs do you like?" Innocent enough so I listed my favs, why not, but something was up the way he was. To my list he knodded and replied, "... Okay..." He took his drink and sat down. I knew our exchange was something specific. A few weeks later, my coworker texted me an AJC picture of Jeffrey in court wearing county jail jumpsuit, followed by the article after I said "is that the guy?" I recognized him immediately and followed the awful case. Since then I wonder if he considered me for an "assassination" target if I didn't pass the "Rush Test". Who knows, either way I was kind and genuine towards the guy. You never know who you're talking to or what they have in mind, for better or worse. Thoughts and prayers for those kids' family and friends.
Not originally from "The South", but I lived in Alabama for several years while working as a waiter. My experience with southern style tea was that if the sweetness of the tea that I prepared did not cause me to cringe, then it was not sweet enough.
I'm sitting here trying to figure out why his grandparents didn't check the safe after they kicked him out, or even before, to make sure he had taken no weapons with him. They would have discovered the missing gun and then could have called the police to be on the lookout for him. The gun was stolen property and he could have been arrested and gotten help for his state of mind at that time. The grandparents knew he was a ticking time bomb.
Those old folks should not have been taking care of that kid to begin with. Their daughter was a mess and proof of their lack of parenting skills. Add diminished thinking that sometimes comes with aging and the fact that they were probably emotionally & physically drained from dealing with Jeff for years. Recipe for disaster.
This monster reminds me of the character Roy from "Primal Fear." He's trying to play as if he has some form of dissociative identity disorder, but in reality he was more than aware of what he had done. I feel bad for the grandparents who were so afraid they had lock their own doors to protect themselves from their deranged grandson.
yeah that interrogation footage and his demeanor at the trial seemed over the top to me, perpetrators who try to act crazy usualy cant fool the experts so im not sure either way
What a tragic story for those 2 young people who had bright futures. Btw, your kitty is absolutely gorgeous and needs to appear more often in your videos 🐈⬛
Whoa… I never thought I would see this on your channel. I went to school with Natalie, at the time I was a freshman at Roswell High. She was a grade or two ahead of me. She seemed like a nice person. I didn’t know her much at all, but this story is the saddest thing ever. Absolutely a fucking tragedy. Roswell was looked at as a very safe suburb in Georgia, so it really shook up the community. It was just so bold, random, kinda never heard of for the area and just plain scary. I grew up in Roswell, and I can definitely say this was the situation that made people realize that anything can happen anywhere. Condolences to the families 💐. R.I.P. Carter & Natalie. Thanks for bringing this to light.
Yes, his comments had me rolling. My husband (born in the north) loves his vaguely tea flavored sugar water. I was born in the south and prefer my tea strong enough to walk on it's own with no sugar at all.
Gotta love how the cop is dismissing his psychosis without even calling a shrink to see if he is hearing voices or sharing a body with another personality or lying through his teeth. I don't know if i'm angry at the dismissal of it or the fact that people who actually need to be in a loony bin get blanket treatment because of those who lie to try and escape justice.
Damn, I remember when this happened, a lot of people around town were real freaked out. Kids weren't allowed to walk outside unsupervised, you better believe nobody left the house at night, it was just odd for our town. I ended up working at that Publix for a while too.
I was in Carter’s class at River Ridge. While we weren’t friends, he treated me with decency where most others didn’t. When I heard about the murder, I remember almost sneaking out in an attempt to pull some vigilante shit with a costume I threw together from some old clothes. I was nearly out the window when I started thinking that it wasn’t a good idea. Carter is still missed and his jersey still proudly hangs in the halls of River Ridge. RIP #4.
Thank you for covering this case. I was living in Roswell when this happened and lived near the Publix where this happened. The community was shocked and saddened by this. Crimes like this didn't happen in this area.
He should cover mine first. I had a cat that kidnapped my leopard gecko out of its cage and it was never found. No blood anywhere, no dropped tail, just a missing gecko. True crime unsolved mysteries. Cat edition.
This one really got to me, so tragic and senseless. Cases like this can make you feel afraid to even leave the house. You never know if you are in the vicinity of a truly crazy and evil person, and what might trigger them to 'snap'. Rest in peace Natalie Henderson and Carter Davis. My most sincere condolences to their families and friends. I'm so sorry.
I have a friend who fought for over a month to get her son, suffering from fetal alcohol disorder, out of being fully restrained in a small room in the ER and into a residential care facility. She fortunately had the support and finances to do this, but she knows many other parents of children who need the same help and cannot get it. Our systems are broken. We wait for someone to commit a crime and then lock them up. It’s easy to say they should have gotten him help, but seeing what it took for her to get that help was eye-opening. (And this put one of her other kids into a massive panic attack once the event was finally over, requiring her to be hospitalized for a short while as well.) Our prison system should not be the biggest provider of mental health services, but here we are.
I'm glad you mentioned the FAS toward the end. Throughout the video I found myself wondering what kind of person Jeffrey may have been if his mother hadn't abused substances while pregnant with him. He started out life with strikes against him that were completely outside his control. It's not often that I see the criminal as also being a victim.
Thank you for acknowledging that criminals can also be victims. Too many people are quick to label them all evil, when, in some cases like this one, they are an unfortunate creation of their environment.
It's tragic all around. I pity him. He was dealt a horrific hand in life by his mother's substance abuse before he was even born. It seems pretty clear he didn't get the professional help and support he clearly needed to manage the mental health conditions that start in life gave him. What he did was monstrous, but it seems to be a product of so many failures from so many people.
FAS in particular can impair impulse control and lead to aggressive behaviour and outbursts. If he had a severe case of it it definitely makes him less criminally responsible. Either way though he can never be free again. Too dangerous
When you mentioned Jeff speaking in a British accent it reminded me of Kelly a Ellard when she was in court on trial for the murder of Reena Virk. That would be an amazing case for you to cover!
While I don’t agree with the way Trevor addressed it, they’re probably referring to the fact that there are different regional distinctions. While I don’t know specifics on Britain because I haven’t lived there (and I wouldn’t expect anyone to know these distinctions unless they live in the area) it’s much like how you can break down accents in the US like an east coast accent, a country accent, a west coast accent, a Midwest accent, etc. These of course can be broken down by state, and further broken down by areas of the state (as someone who lives in Ohio, for example, I can tell you who has spent some time in northern, central or southern Ohio based on accents). But so long as you’re not using an accent to discriminate against or generalize other people, it’s not hurting anything. I laugh when someone says I have a country accent. I discuss stories when people say they can’t tell where I’m from specifically because I’ve lived in many places, and in general my accent adapts slightly to who I’m speaking to. But I can guarantee you, discussing someone’s accent shift in this context, to contextualize an abnormal shift in someone’s vernacular, is not generalizing a community or speaking poorly towards them. It’s identifying a clear and distinct change, and particularly to something that would otherwise be abnormal for them given their circumstances. The person expressing that generalization isn’t going to know every potential sub category
@@trevorcook3129 Most people outside of Britain or England don't know how to identify regional differences. I don't take it personal when people say "American accent" even though I'm Canadian and we talk the same. You can't expect the whole world to know the variations of your country.
Regardless of his prognosis he still killed two teens. He will be spending the rest of his life in a mental health facility where he can be correctly diagnosed and treated. But his mother needs to be held accountable. What a selfish thing to do.
@@ranran8934 maybe I’m being ignorant but I actually don’t understand that, he had grandparents that cared for him, a better chance than a lot of people and he abused that. This victim mentality towards him just negates his guilt. I didn’t believe a second of him pretending to be psychotic, he’s basically acting how he’s seen crazed people acting on the TV. He managed to hold down a relationship without her even being aware that he’d committed murder the night that he ‘snapped’. I just have no sympathy for him.
@@daddyfatsack9510 People aren't just blank slates who turn out the same way if raised in the same circumstances. You can't even accurately decide if your life was just like theirs as you've lived a whole detailed life, heard a summary of theirs, and superimposed the details of yours on top. There's a lot of assumption there. If people could be mathematically programmed to be good, healthy people with a single style of upbringing, then we would just do that. But human beings are much less of an exact science than you seem to think.
"One day I'm going to explode and people will get hurt" "Okay go to military school where you'll learn all the skills necessary to do so. These types of school definitely aren't known for fostering aggression in it's students and will help for sure!"
Tbf discipline and high intensity excercise have also shown to be pretty good tools in managing "male emotions". Still obvious that wasn't what HE needed, hopefully the change they're talking about in the military is actually happening.
What Jeffrey needed is mental health therapy. And strict discipline with consequences for his behavior. When they heard him saying that people are gonna get hurt that's a red flag and he should've been evaluated by mental health professionals. He could've stayed in a mental health hospital for a complete mental health evaluation and diagnosis and they could've decided the best course of action from there. If he had gotten treatment way earlier maybe things would've turned out differently.
Hey Adrian, just wanted to point out that the sweets you mention at 1:14 are actually from Georgia the country, not the American state. Other than that, excellent coverage on this case, as always!
Georgia in the USA is also know for its sweets too try the pies and peaches, I at first hated earl grey tea however I gave it another shot later in life and while not my favorite I’ll drink it
This is the first time that I cry over a true crime video, damn this is so so sad. Some people never should have been born. How that poor parents will suffer… I can’t even imagine…
What a waste of two young lives with such promise 😢…… Jeffrey commented he knew he could snap makes you wonder with early intervention could this tragedy have been avoided 🤔 Also am so glad to see Nero back behind the camera 😻
I mean, don’t most serial killers snap? Richard Ramirez was born into poverty and his older brother got him into selling drugs, doing drugs, and living a life on the streets. The Green Ridgeway killer had a father with horrible views towards Women, as he would teach his son that Women who dressed like trash or sold themselves for money, were no better than trash. This would also drive the son to hate his mother as well, as she would dress a certain way in and out of the house. Which is the reason why I think he killed all the Women that he had issues with and then he dump their bodies into the river. Aileen was betrayed by friends and family, so at that point she sold herself off to make money, but she became mentally unstable and ended becoming insane. Jeffery Dahmer and Ed Gein were also people who had issues as children. Dahmer had certain tendencies towards Men, sexual tendencies. I believe he could it expressed these feelings and that’s he became the way that he was. Ed Gein was abused by his mother frequently and had lived a sheltered life, which made him go crazy when his mother passed away and at that point he started killing people. I believe everyone has a limit before they snap, so imo I believe people should be nicer, more respectful, and parents shouldn’t force their awful beliefs onto their children.
@@Roasty420 Psych research shows it depends. Sociopaths are chaotic, disorganised , impulsive & often 'snap'. They will often blitz/frenzy attack & overkill (carrying on attacking after the victim is already dead). Psychopaths are logical, methodical, plan their kills & often stalk a victim. 70% of murders involve stalking the victim first.
I work in mental health. It's what I'm passionate about. Most of my patients have criminal records or will be facing consequences with the law when they leave our unit. In my opinion, the defendant was absolutely in acute psychosis and alarm bells should have been ringing like freight trains years ago.
As usual you cover this tragedy with compassion. Not everyone who suffers from mental illness will commit a crime but you have illuminated those factors that can contribute to choices to commit a crime.
Hey Adrian, if I may, I’d like to recommend you cover a case of Russel Williams. He’s a former Canadian Air Force colonel turned serial killer. Word is he even once flew some royalties around (might have even been Queen Elizabeth). Thanks for your vids. Keep up the great work!
Many other channels have covered Russell Williams. The interrogation by detective Jim Smyth was definitely a solid interaction. Williams had went into the interview with the idea that he would walk out a free man, but obviously he was no match for the detective
@@borisdorofeev5602 unfortunately most of JCS was removed and the channel was shut down by UA-cam I don’t know that this one is still on there. *edit * Yup it’s there
Sometimes it’s not always beneficial to have a relationship with natural parents! Drugs and alcohol when pregnant are disastrous. Love your stories Adrian doing a great job!
Whatever!!!! I’m not ashamed of sweet tea. It’s all I’ve ever known man. That said I found your channel like 3 days ago and can’t get enough of it. Love it!!! Thank you for what you do. From the Sweet tea Tennessean
I know this is prob the least important thing to focus on from this video...but there should NEVER be any sweet tea slander!! lol. Another great video man.
I was looking for this comment! Thank you!! I'm from the South, Texas. I love, love love my sweet tea. That's why we call it "sweet" tea and not just "tea!" It's not good at all for someone with chronic kidney stones though, I just cannot help myself! Stay safe and well everyone!
I think it's pretty hard to pin down Jeff's motives, but just using my gut, I feel like Jeff had retreated to a place he felt was isolated from others bc he was upset. maybe he was even contemplating suicide. Then come these two teens, ready to have fun, which infuriates him. how dare they intrude on him. I think that he probably looked at them as normies and imagined them as his complete opposite: able to have a fun fling while he was in mental anguish, probably able to go home to a stable family life, able to have a bright future. so he lets out all his rage on them, because how dare they. That's only a guess, though.
@@sentryogmixmaster no, but I think that understanding why people think certain ways is important in preventing crimes like that from happening. I also don't think he may have consciously processed any of that.
While I do feel terrible for Carter, seeing your boyfriend/close friend getting shot, getting taped and then killed execution style must’ve been terrible. Natalie went through hell before her death. This monster does not deserve any sympathy. One of the worst things I’ve heard of, alongside the hell Castro and Fritzl put their victims through, it’s hard to compare because they are alive but they were tortured for much longer…. RIP Carter and Natalie
I’m loving the bit you put in the end with your cat :) and as always, thank you for covering cases with such details and I really enjoy your narrative style.. keep it up 👍
I am so pleased he got 2 life sentences and his mental health didn’t get him off , he knew what he was doing, evil 👿 thank you so much for sharing this video ❤❤❤
So heartbreaking that these murders were so evil so random. Those beautiful kids. As for the murderer he was a cry for help and was not helped. I don't think the grandparents can be blamed as it seems they did what they knew to do. My heart goes out to the victims loved ones.
Was excited (and sad, of course) to see Metro Atlanta covered. There are far too many cases that could be on your list but one stands out for me. It's the "Atlanta Child Murders". The first I'd been made aware of regarding the city. Also, there's more to Georgia (state) than sweet tea (which, I just call syrup so I agree...). Just so you know you are, by far, my favorite true crime presenter. Keep up the phenomenal work! ❤
as a southerner I find the humor in you saying we should be ashamed of liking sweet tea, but to play devils advocate... different strokes for different folks
Playing fancy pants remix in computer science next to Carter trying to see which one of us would win first while the dirtyass computer science teacher was having a breakdown is like a top 5 memory from that high school. I hope his family's doing well
I love how much respect and care you show the victims in these cases. You are so good at what you do. Keep up the good work! I love your channel! It's one of my favorites!
You know, you don't HAVE to include your boss in every video. I'm gonna come back even if you don't...but you do and that's 100% OK. He's a good boy. I love him. 😻
Definitely a chilling tale. I don't even know how to reconcile it, dealing with mental illness myself. Was he faking to receive a reduced sentence by exaggerating his symptoms or was this truly a preventable crime if support had been there? Who knows? You'll probably not read this but I've been curious if you've ever thought of releasing your videos "live" and speaking with fans about each case via chat? I know that would definitely be a lot more work for you but I follow a few channels that do this and it definitely creates more opportunities for interactions with your audience. Keep up the great work, Adrian (I hope I'm spelling that right). You keep making them and I'll keep watching them. Take care.
The Southerners love their sweet tea, he's going to lose a few subscribers over that comment. I moved to the south (VA) at around 24...and have lived in AL, SC, NC, and TN. Now living back in the N in CT. I can tell you for certain that was a prickly joke that they won't take kindly to. LOL Personally, I don't like any kind of tea!
@@djihanehamdaoui2948 True! Sad thing is the south doesn't need much to make them mad...just being a Yankee will make them not friendly towards you. I remember I was 26 when I moved to rural VA just outside Charlottesville...and I couldn't get over the amount of people the first thing they'd say to me is "are you a Yankee?" That and/or "have you found a church family yet?" LOL It was the older generation, but still. That was in the late 80's. I love the South, but some of the people...yikees
"I'm going to explode one day and someone is going to get hurt." "Nah, we don't need to institutionalize him, even if he _is_ fucking terrifying. It'll be _fine."_ People can be so dumb sometimes. EDIT: YAY FOR KITTY! I feel my last suggestion has been honoured, thank you.
@@ann-mariepaliukenas19 Mine won't even lie on me lol. My floofer used to sleep in my lap while I was gaming when he was a kitten, but now he's a strong, independent boi who don't need no lap lmao
This is one of the hardest listening I've ever experienced. That poor girl. I had to turn the volume down when the detective was explaining what was said in the interrogation.. I truely hope that that man rots in prison for the rest of his miserable life.
@@samanthar1214 I know, as someone with a lot of American family I just feel it Is my obligation to make Boston tea party jokes whenever the possibility arises, lol
He seemed like he was faking just to get better treatment. Despicable!! People with Asperges, multiple personalities and Schizophrenia and those who have been badly abused don't usually kill.
Not to disrespect this tragic story... ..But, I think when you hit 1.5million followers you should re-upload your first ever crime story video. Be really cool to see where it started and how it has evolved. Congratulations on your success. Hard work and sensitive storytelling are paying dividends.
I actually love sweet tea. But please keep that a secret 👀
@@youtubepremium2764 I think they are a great way to balance some of the sadness this channel gives sometimes. If you don't like them just skip them, or at least make a normal coment, not this sarcastic bs.
You're british, it's fine.
@coffeehouse crime. Please. Check out Mahek Bukari, ongoing trial in Leicester. Social media influencer. Case involves infedility. Car chase, black mail and murder. Its all being really well documented in the uk. Its like a movie!
@@youtubepremium2764 Don’t be that one person bro
'Damn right crazy for wanting to talk like a brit' unfollow!
I went to school with Carter and was in the same graduating class. This happened the morning of the first day of senior year so the school gave him an honorary diploma at graduation. His younger sister walked the stage to receive it and there probably wasn't a dry eye in the whole place. He will be missed.
I remember that vividly. Carter and I were classmates in junior year, and while we weren’t friends he always treated me with decency and respect. Graduation felt somewhat somber seeing his sister going up to receive the diploma Carter was robbed of.
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Such a waste of vibrant lives : (
That must have been so hard for both of you. I recall losing classmates (actually two best friends) and it was so hard to come to terms with. My thoughts and prayers are with you guys and of course his parents. God bless
People were probably happy inside that the arrogant jock was killed.
I went to school with Carter Davis. Had a class with him. While we weren’t exactly friends, he was one of the few people who treated me with kindness. I can say that he was a good guy and he’s still missed to this day by people who knew him.
Sorry about the loss of your school buddy 😞✝️♥️🌻
Yeah right.. Carter looks like a typical arrogant jock. I am glad he was taken out.
@@azazello1784 Get off the platform.
me too
Thank you for sharing Tristan. I always appreciate when someone leave the comment that really affirms that this indeed was a real person that touched many lives in many ways. This is truly one of those very tragic stories.
Seeing the detective cry while giving evidence made me realize how difficult it can be for detectives to have to listen to the gory details - and not respond as they would probably wish to - Total Respect....!
Remember They are Human too& they need therapy.Much respect for Law Men & women👌
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Hello, thank you for making this video. I was in marching band with Natalie (she was in color guard, but we all saw each other regularly). This completely affected not only myself mentally but our entire community of Roswell. I have never really felt safe here ever again. The Publix where this occurred is very nearby my house and Ive never been able to step foot near it without feeling sick.
Natalie was a beautiful person. My fondest memory that I have of her is when we were eating before one of our marching band home games. She invited me to sit with her and her sister, was nothing but kind and inviting to me, and even sang to me and her as we sat there. She had a beautiful voice and I will always remember her in this way and I hope all of you will as well ❤😊
As a fellow marching band kid, I’m so sorry for your loss ❤️
Thank you for the respectful video. Jeffrey was my best friend in elementary school- I can promise you he was not faking or ‘acting crazy’. Everything you described is as I remember him when we were children- he was well known in school to have no impulse control or judgment of right and wrong, and would, on occasion, get up on the desks and howl like a wolf, and even bite people. We would often play imagination games during recess, and the ‘invisible dog’ thing was a common part. I was never allowed to go home with him, but I met his grandparents, and they seemed kind, like they were doing their best, but were simply overwhelmed.
The last time I saw him was the December before the murders- I was home from college, and he was working at a craft store near North Point Mall. I remember remarking to my mom that he seemed more stable, and I was happy for him. And then the next time I hear of him, it’s this on the news. It was such a shock.
'He got the female out of the car and made her lean over the hood and he spanked her. The he shot her'. God. The things parents and family members have to go through in a trial. And it destroyed the detective too, having to recount that in front of the family members. I can't imagine the pain. And it is more crazy and numbing to just think the victims were at the wrong place and at the wrong time. He just happened to be there and decided to kill spontaneously. It's f scary.
Damn I wish I could find someone to spank and shoot me 🥺
@@maoinc13 you shouldnt have to worry about that kind of thing. in most cases, this wouldnt happen. but if youre concerned with safety, then yeah, take it indoors.
I just started watching these true mystery stories and have noticed such an enormous change in my alertness both inside and outside my home. Because I have a large dog I was constantly forgetting to lock my doors and had a bad habit of going and standing by people's car doors that I didn't know and chatting with them through duh window. I weigh 110 lb and someone would be able to yank me inside in a few seconds. I even met this man and I told him I was having a difficult time finding anyone to cut my lawn for me. He took my number saying he knew someone and he'd have them give me a call he called on a Sunday and said you know I don't have anything to do why don't I come over and take a look and he says I have a big driving lawn mower and I can probably take care of it for you in no time. The guy ended up asking for $20 for gas and calling back two weeks later apologizing for not following through and that he would get the 20 bucks back to me. He was obviously an absolute loser that probably ran out of beer money figured out a way to take advantage of a nice lady and did. When I watch these shows I get so angry with myself because I never should have allowed a complete stranger to even set foot on my property guard dog or not. We watch all of these random act of kindness videos on UA-cam and the reality of it is people are simply not spending their time helping other people. My new rule if they offer to help I walk the other way quickly we live in a very scary world and not everyone looks as creepy as this kid did. Anyway I'll keep on watching until it gets so ingrained in my head that I will never be careless again. I realize so often it's being in the wrong place at the wrong time but bless these kids hearts if they hadn't got together behind a grocery store at 3 a.m. in the morning they would still be here with us. They are of course not responsible but that was a bad choice.
The detective was pulling an Amber heard for the court. In interrogation she was calm cool and collected. This was 100 percent avoidable if people listened to the grandparents. We don’t prevent crimes, we punish them after and it’s disgusting.
@@degarri7995perhaps but keep in mind the detective wasn't sitting directly in front of the victim's parents when questioning the criminal. Two completely distinct scenarios.
This story is so tragic, it broke me when it happened.
I am a combat veteran, I gave my highest earned medal to Carter's mother Michelle in honor of him.
Rest peacefully, Natalie and Carter.
Thank you CHC for honoring the victims.
Thank you for your service. My husband is also a combat veteran. Afghanistan, 2009-2010. Bless you ❤
@@DameWhoGames. I was in Kabul, Camp Eggers in '09. Please give him my best ❤ Thanks for being there for him.
@@butters1273 thank you for your service my friend. we are truly blessed to have people like you to help protect our country.
@@notcomfortable_here thank you, from the bottom of my heart.
That’s so awesome that you did that for his mother. 👍
Those poor young people taken away from their families in such a horrific way. My heart breaks for them and their families.
Lol
This is exactly why we need to live in a surveillance state
@@Cybella You do. Not me.
I love the way the police officer reacts to Jeffrey's claims during the interrogation footage, it's almost like she has seen her fair share of people pretend to be mentally incompetent for trial and she's sick of it.
Jeff's faking it to gather pity and love while escaping responsibility
Yeah except looks like hes actually mentally ill. Her way of questioning was completely unprofessional.
@@PinacoladaMatthewHe definitely wasn't faking it. He's schizophrenic and was off his meds and having a severe mental break.
I live just 30 min away from where this happened and I remember when it happened but I never knew how it ended, so thank you for covering it. I do agree that Jeffrey suffered from some mental illness and probably issues from his mother’s substance abuse, but I felt like he was putting on “crazy” as a defense. I think he knew what he did, even returned to the scene to lose the bodies, then drove to his girlfriends house. I’m glad he will never be free again. So sorry to the families of Carter and Natalie for their loss.
You should check out the cops that arrested someone based off of a coin flip on 92. Raintree Dr behind the skyzone/Publix area is a hotbed of dealers. I knew a lot of upper class horseshoe bend people with dealers so close in Roswell or Sandy Springs.
@@johnd5740 hey... when i used to slang... if the cops caught me I'd be willing to have a coin flip to see if I got arrested. Since it's illegal to sell narcotics.... the cops should arrest you 100% of the time... cutting that by 50% by coin flip isn't a bad wager.
guys a man child that couldn't cope with life. he deserves no piety only hatred. may he rot in prision.
Thanks for sharing
You felt like? Did your mother drink alcohol while pregnant? Did your mother take drugs while pregnant? How come women like that are never punished?
How come all blame is gone when the kids is a man growing up? Gimme a break from this. Disgusting women drinking alc and takimg substances while FUKING PREGNANT. WHERE IS THE PUNISHMENT for disgusting women like that.
The mother, who abused substances during the pregnancy.
The guardians, who didn't make effort to diagnose and medicate the kid.
And the sightless state which had to incarcerate for life the monster who grew up from that kid.
Two lives lost, another one is forever corrupted beyond repair; that shit makes me incredibly sad and angry.
👍👋❤️super video 🙏😭
@@prinscharles4817 🌼💗😘 Super comment 💞😈🍆
Also, was there just not as much information about the bf, seemed like the gf got covered more than him imo
They probably were scummy anyway. screwing around in a car is pretty ghetto. Don't put others before others.
Meds aren't the answer. Most school shooters were prescribed that garbage very young and they still got er done. Lol
As someone from England I’ve got to say ice tea actually makes sense in warm environments. Refrigerated ice tea is the only thing more refreshing than water during a heat wave.
Thank you! I can only drink Black tea, it can be hot or cold but iced tea ruined that for me! It also has to be REAL black tea, not Brisk 🤮
Ur piss is yellow drink water
@@makeupandfashionduh6492 same, brisk is fucking disgusting!
What, no sweet tea mentioned?
Tetley tea with lots of sugar is where it's at. I'm from southwest Georgia. We do tetley no brisk. Ice cold
My adopted son was born with FAS. And his behavior is getting more erratic and violent. And the system will not properly help us get him treated. I have listened to enough of these to worry where this will end up 😔
I’m so sorry to hear this. My nephews are adopted brothers saved from drug addicted parents who abandoned them to starve. The eldest was whip smart, but ended up a homeless drug addict by choice (despite all of the love and care and help his adoptive parents gave him or got him). The youngest was a drug baby and had a learning disability, but he ran away (as an adult) and learned a trade and supported himself elsewhere. Then he eventually returned to his home town, got a job, met a woman and had a child with her. They’re still together and stable. It’s almost random how children with a trauma background and related health problems turn out. It’s difficult to find effective help, but all parents can do is their best. I hope you’re able to find real, effective help for your child.
I live in Atlanta and I remember when this happened. I had friends who knew Natalie. So awful and heartbreaking. Thank you for bringing this horrible crime to light.
How do you stay up with your own mental health while covering these cases? This one is so eerie. You take care of you…and thank you for all you do.
He still makes jokes in these videos. Hopefully it's an indicator that all is well. Don't overdo it, okay Adrian?
Once you're years in the game, you get desensitized. You can just go on as if nothing happened!
Are you joking...
@@marsship921 Who are you responding to???
Coffee helps.
Adrian you have the gift of being able to recount these true crime/strange cases with complete balance. Your hard work in achieving quality presentations shows through every time. In trying to understand others, we better understand ourselves and appreciate what we have. Thanks again from Australia 🇦🇺 😊
Yeah hes pure proffesional eh mate..
Doesn't he just, he has a balanced speaking and presentation voice,he's my go to story teller
Ditto on what you said. Lol Hello from Traverse city Michigan.
The pain in the detectives testimony is hard to listen to…what a sad situation the two young people found themselves in 😞
HELLO ADRIAN! I really hope this reaches you (somehow) but im sure this will get drowned out in the comments lol. Could you look into the case of "Seath Jackson" in the city of Ocala, Florida? It was a BRUTAL story of a young high schooler involving 6 people plotting his death. A very sad story in my hometown that left us devastated. Something that may be up your alley!
but anyway, love the videos and the support you've gotten! It's well deserved!
(P.S. maybe we can upvote this so he gets a chance to see it?!)
This would be so cool to see❤
Yes! Bump!
disturban has covered it, I recommend him too
@@emilyelizabeth575 I’ve seen a few done, but I want to see Adrian’s take
That sounds interesting, I'd like to hear about it
It's crazy how someone can kill people horrendously but as soon as they get hurt themselves or caught by law enforcement they turn into a big ass crybaby! SMH
Thank you for mentioning FASD! He almost certainly had it and it definitely influenced his difficulties. With more awareness people like him can access early intervention and tragedies like this can be averted
Go to Bena, Minnesota. Many Native American children with FAS.
Whitey is not allowed to adopt any of them or intervene in any way.
It is a fact.
I have to disagree, UA-cam psychiatry is not a profession, no one here knew him intimately nor has any in depth knowledge of his actual upbringing, it's just being presumptuous to assume he wasn't faking mental illness(he wouldn't be the first murderer to hear voices,shake and fake it)
@@colleenbonamico9143 FASD has nothing to do with hearing voices.
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FASD can cause incredibly poor judgement and impulsivity. People with FASD can also have incredibly good verbal skills, which with one sufferer allowed him to get through a job interview only to be incapable of doing the job. People with FASD can appear very capable due to verbal abilities, but in fact are profoundly disabled and need intensive support from family, employers, carers etc, but with the right support can succeed at life.
Jeffrey would have had a lot of trouble with exercising good judgement, he simply wouldn't have thought murder through, the consequences wouldn't have occurred to him, he could have been verbally very articulate though making him look a lot more competent and able to think things through than he actually was.
Why did the grandparents have a safe full of knives and swords?! If they were that frightened of their grandson, maybe don't have weapons in the house? There's no "breaking into" a safe, so he must have known the combination.
I completely agree. Firearms should NEVER be kept in a home where a mentally ill individual resides.
My thoughts exactly.
You absolutely CAN break into a safe. Pretty easily in fact. All you need is a stethoscope. You spin the tumbler and listen for the clicks of the pins dropping into place. After a few minutes of that you can figure out the combination.
@@frankwilliams4445 doubt this dude did all that
@@davidjones8043 Why do you doubt it? My brother did the same thing to my parents safe. It's extremely common
Note: I adore how the detective is questioning Jeff. "Seriously? That's what we're going with? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, Jeffrey." She's hilarious
Granted to have to know your job. I'm sure the police want to rip the guys up in the interrogation room, but often minimization techniques get the confession much better.
She was amazing. Saw right through his bullshit
I just don't think a police officer should be snarky and disrespectful, that's totally uncalled for. I really didn't like her abrasive tone. Jeff should have stopped talking to her immediately but didn't have the mental sanity to.
@@absolutelypitiful3837 THIS
@@absolutelypitiful3837 she was pushing his buttons and it worked, different suspects require different treatment. For another suspect being kind and friendly would be the best tactic.
I'm not kidding, I served Jeffrey and his gf food at Town Center Mall at the time of his crimes. My coworker and I were talking about the weird way they held their food when they ate. We weren't people watchers, they grabbed our attention. Jeffrey came up for a refill when I noticed his Rush - Spirit of Radio shirt, I said "Nice shirt, I love Rush!" He quietly switched instantly and looked at me quizzically, asking "Do you? Love Rush?". I confirmed and he continued, "What albums or songs do you like?" Innocent enough so I listed my favs, why not, but something was up the way he was. To my list he knodded and replied, "... Okay..." He took his drink and sat down. I knew our exchange was something specific. A few weeks later, my coworker texted me an AJC picture of Jeffrey in court wearing county jail jumpsuit, followed by the article after I said "is that the guy?" I recognized him immediately and followed the awful case. Since then I wonder if he considered me for an "assassination" target if I didn't pass the "Rush Test". Who knows, either way I was kind and genuine towards the guy. You never know who you're talking to or what they have in mind, for better or worse. Thoughts and prayers for those kids' family and friends.
Not originally from "The South", but I lived in Alabama for several years while working as a waiter. My experience with southern style tea was that if the sweetness of the tea that I prepared did not cause me to cringe, then it was not sweet enough.
That would explain our weight problem
Yes! If you don’t get diabetes instantly from a sip….you’re doing it wrong. -a transplant from NY to VA lol
I'm sitting here trying to figure out why his grandparents didn't check the safe after they kicked him out, or even before, to make sure he had taken no weapons with him. They would have discovered the missing gun and then could have called the police to be on the lookout for him. The gun was stolen property and he could have been arrested and gotten help for his state of mind at that time. The grandparents knew he was a ticking time bomb.
Yes, I agree 😕
Why would ANYONE keep weapons in a home where a mentally ill individual resides??
They could have also changed the damn code after like the 5th time he stole guns
Better yet, get rid of the damn weapons that they obviously were afraid he'd use.
Those old folks should not have been taking care of that kid to begin with. Their daughter was a mess and proof of their lack of parenting skills. Add diminished thinking that sometimes comes with aging and the fact that they were probably emotionally & physically drained from dealing with Jeff for years. Recipe for disaster.
This monster reminds me of the character Roy from "Primal Fear." He's trying to play as if he has some form of dissociative identity disorder, but in reality he was more than aware of what he had done. I feel bad for the grandparents who were so afraid they had lock their own doors to protect themselves from their deranged grandson.
What an awesome book/movie that was. That was GOOD
Reminded me of that too. So disturbing.
Yes very similar,it was a great film
They should have got him help or reported him
yeah that interrogation footage and his demeanor at the trial seemed over the top to me, perpetrators who try to act crazy usualy cant fool the experts so im not sure either way
What a tragic story for those 2 young people who had bright futures. Btw, your kitty is absolutely gorgeous and needs to appear more often in your videos 🐈⬛
Kids with bright futures too often are targets of wastes of oxygen.
Every once in awhile you can legitimately judge a book by it’s cover.
You always can
Whoa… I never thought I would see this on your channel. I went to school with Natalie, at the time I was a freshman at Roswell High. She was a grade or two ahead of me. She seemed like a nice person. I didn’t know her much at all, but this story is the saddest thing ever. Absolutely a fucking tragedy. Roswell was looked at as a very safe suburb in Georgia, so it really shook up the community. It was just so bold, random, kinda never heard of for the area and just plain scary. I grew up in Roswell, and I can definitely say this was the situation that made people realize that anything can happen anywhere. Condolences to the families 💐. R.I.P. Carter & Natalie. Thanks for bringing this to light.
The tea shade was hilarious, well done.
Sweet tea is almost a dessert (soda may have less sugar in many cases. 😆
Yes, his comments had me rolling. My husband (born in the north) loves his vaguely tea flavored sugar water. I was born in the south and prefer my tea strong enough to walk on it's own with no sugar at all.
Gotta love how the cop is dismissing his psychosis without even calling a shrink to see if he is hearing voices or sharing a body with another personality or lying through his teeth.
I don't know if i'm angry at the dismissal of it or the fact that people who actually need to be in a loony bin get blanket treatment because of those who lie to try and escape justice.
I love this interrogator. She is just so straight with him it's wonderful and refreshing.
Thank you. You have such a soothing voice to listen to and always show so much empathy and talk about the victims. ❤️
Seeing Nero at the end of these dark stories is honestly therapeutic.
Adrian, you never disappoint. Great story, excellent delivery, and as always heartfelt compassion for the victims and their families. Thank you.
@@MsTinkerbelle87 no one is forcing you to watch. Bog off if you don't like it.
@@MsTinkerbelle87 The fact that you commented on someone getting encouragement and appreciation is what astounding. Good word though 😆
@@MsTinkerbelle87 which is exactly what your comment is seen as. Have a great day🎉
Damn, I remember when this happened, a lot of people around town were real freaked out. Kids weren't allowed to walk outside unsupervised, you better believe nobody left the house at night, it was just odd for our town. I ended up working at that Publix for a while too.
I was in Carter’s class at River Ridge. While we weren’t friends, he treated me with decency where most others didn’t. When I heard about the murder, I remember almost sneaking out in an attempt to pull some vigilante shit with a costume I threw together from some old clothes. I was nearly out the window when I started thinking that it wasn’t a good idea. Carter is still missed and his jersey still proudly hangs in the halls of River Ridge. RIP #4.
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Thank you for covering this case. I was living in Roswell when this happened and lived near the Publix where this happened. The community was shocked and saddened by this. Crimes like this didn't happen in this area.
You could totally make a shorts series with Nero telling us teeny tiny crime stories. About cats.
r/IllegallySmolCats
He should cover mine first. I had a cat that kidnapped my leopard gecko out of its cage and it was never found. No blood anywhere, no dropped tail, just a missing gecko. True crime unsolved mysteries. Cat edition.
Coffeehouse Cat 😺😺😺
This distinguished gentleman informs about death and despair on a high quality level. Very appreciated indeed.
I agree a nice summary of adrian
Greetings from the USA Adrian and viewers. I appreciate your calm manner and respect for the victims in these stories.
Have a nice and lovely Week with your loved ones. Greetings from Germany🍀
I don't know why i have the urge to write you this. Be blessed ❤
@@Gioachina0279 Very sweet of you! Blessings and happy holidays to you from the USA. 🥰
This one really got to me, so tragic and senseless. Cases like this can make you feel afraid to even leave the house. You never know if you are in the vicinity of a truly crazy and evil person, and what might trigger them to 'snap'.
Rest in peace Natalie Henderson and Carter Davis. My most sincere condolences to their families and friends. I'm so sorry.
I have a friend who fought for over a month to get her son, suffering from fetal alcohol disorder, out of being fully restrained in a small room in the ER and into a residential care facility. She fortunately had the support and finances to do this, but she knows many other parents of children who need the same help and cannot get it. Our systems are broken. We wait for someone to commit a crime and then lock them up. It’s easy to say they should have gotten him help, but seeing what it took for her to get that help was eye-opening. (And this put one of her other kids into a massive panic attack once the event was finally over, requiring her to be hospitalized for a short while as well.) Our prison system should not be the biggest provider of mental health services, but here we are.
Your presentations are not just entertaining they are educational. Much appreciated.
I'm glad you mentioned the FAS toward the end. Throughout the video I found myself wondering what kind of person Jeffrey may have been if his mother hadn't abused substances while pregnant with him. He started out life with strikes against him that were completely outside his control. It's not often that I see the criminal as also being a victim.
Thank you for acknowledging that criminals can also be victims. Too many people are quick to label them all evil, when, in some cases like this one, they are an unfortunate creation of their environment.
It's tragic all around. I pity him. He was dealt a horrific hand in life by his mother's substance abuse before he was even born. It seems pretty clear he didn't get the professional help and support he clearly needed to manage the mental health conditions that start in life gave him. What he did was monstrous, but it seems to be a product of so many failures from so many people.
FAS in particular can impair impulse control and lead to aggressive behaviour and outbursts. If he had a severe case of it it definitely makes him less criminally responsible. Either way though he can never be free again. Too dangerous
It’s actually pretty common to see victims become predators.
@@bryanglaser88 Yet most people who are abused DON'T become predators - they choose to NOT do what was done to them.
When you mentioned Jeff speaking in a British accent it reminded me of Kelly a Ellard when she was in court on trial for the murder of Reena Virk.
That would be an amazing case for you to cover!
No such thing as a British accent. Britain is more than one country with many, many accents.
@@trevorcook3129 so how would you verbalize the category that each of those accents exist under
While I don’t agree with the way Trevor addressed it, they’re probably referring to the fact that there are different regional distinctions. While I don’t know specifics on Britain because I haven’t lived there (and I wouldn’t expect anyone to know these distinctions unless they live in the area) it’s much like how you can break down accents in the US like an east coast accent, a country accent, a west coast accent, a Midwest accent, etc. These of course can be broken down by state, and further broken down by areas of the state (as someone who lives in Ohio, for example, I can tell you who has spent some time in northern, central or southern Ohio based on accents).
But so long as you’re not using an accent to discriminate against or generalize other people, it’s not hurting anything. I laugh when someone says I have a country accent. I discuss stories when people say they can’t tell where I’m from specifically because I’ve lived in many places, and in general my accent adapts slightly to who I’m speaking to.
But I can guarantee you, discussing someone’s accent shift in this context, to contextualize an abnormal shift in someone’s vernacular, is not generalizing a community or speaking poorly towards them. It’s identifying a clear and distinct change, and particularly to something that would otherwise be abnormal for them given their circumstances. The person expressing that generalization isn’t going to know every potential sub category
@@MrDeanmfitz Upper class accent, Scouser accent, Liverpudlian accent, New Castle accent, etc
@@trevorcook3129 Most people outside of Britain or England don't know how to identify regional differences. I don't take it personal when people say "American accent" even though I'm Canadian and we talk the same. You can't expect the whole world to know the variations of your country.
I feel like you’ve been just grinding and pumping out videos. Thank you, I’ve enjoyed your content from the start. Keep up the hard work Adrian
Regardless of his prognosis he still killed two teens. He will be spending the rest of his life in a mental health facility where he can be correctly diagnosed and treated. But his mother needs to be held accountable. What a selfish thing to do.
That’s nonsense, I had a very similar upbringing myself and it just encouraged me to be better. This is all on him.
@@daddyfatsack9510 You must understand that not all people has the same tolerance as you.
@@ranran8934 maybe I’m being ignorant but I actually don’t understand that, he had grandparents that cared for him, a better chance than a lot of people and he abused that. This victim mentality towards him just negates his guilt. I didn’t believe a second of him pretending to be psychotic, he’s basically acting how he’s seen crazed people acting on the TV. He managed to hold down a relationship without her even being aware that he’d committed murder the night that he ‘snapped’. I just have no sympathy for him.
@@daddyfatsack9510 Society loves to blame everybody but the criminal these days.
@@daddyfatsack9510 People aren't just blank slates who turn out the same way if raised in the same circumstances. You can't even accurately decide if your life was just like theirs as you've lived a whole detailed life, heard a summary of theirs, and superimposed the details of yours on top. There's a lot of assumption there. If people could be mathematically programmed to be good, healthy people with a single style of upbringing, then we would just do that. But human beings are much less of an exact science than you seem to think.
"One day I'm going to explode and people will get hurt"
"Okay go to military school where you'll learn all the skills necessary to do so. These types of school definitely aren't known for fostering aggression in it's students and will help for sure!"
Tbf discipline and high intensity excercise have also shown to be pretty good tools in managing "male emotions". Still obvious that wasn't what HE needed, hopefully the change they're talking about in the military is actually happening.
What Jeffrey needed is mental health therapy. And strict discipline with consequences for his behavior.
When they heard him saying that people are gonna get hurt that's a red flag and he should've been evaluated by mental health professionals. He could've stayed in a mental health hospital for a complete mental health evaluation and diagnosis and they could've decided the best course of action from there.
If he had gotten treatment way earlier maybe things would've turned out differently.
@R Voit Pedant.
Such a shocking true story! RIP Natalie and Carter and thankyou @Coffee House Crime ☆
I think the FAS played a huge part in much of his problems. Thanks for showing your adorable kitty!
I freaking love the cop interrogating him. 😂😅
She didn't take any of his bullshit! LOL
You love cops? Get in the oven.
Hey Adrian, just wanted to point out that the sweets you mention at 1:14 are actually from Georgia the country, not the American state. Other than that, excellent coverage on this case, as always!
Yea that threw me off for a second. Thanks for the clarification.
Georgia in the USA is also know for its sweets too try the pies and peaches, I at first hated earl grey tea however I gave it another shot later in life and while not my favorite I’ll drink it
What ARE those sweets?
I was just coming here to comment on the Georgian Churchkhela picture being from the country of Georgia.
@@Cec9e13 I thought they were candles!
This is the first time that I cry over a true crime video, damn this is so so sad. Some people never should have been born. How that poor parents will suffer… I can’t even imagine…
What a waste of two young lives with such promise 😢…… Jeffrey commented he knew he could snap makes you wonder with early intervention could this tragedy have been avoided 🤔 Also am so glad to see Nero back behind the camera 😻
I mean, don’t most serial killers snap?
Richard Ramirez was born into poverty and his older brother got him into selling drugs, doing drugs, and living a life on the streets.
The Green Ridgeway killer had a father with horrible views towards Women, as he would teach his son that Women who dressed like trash or sold themselves for money, were no better than trash. This would also drive the son to hate his mother as well, as she would dress a certain way in and out of the house. Which is the reason why I think he killed all the Women that he had issues with and then he dump their bodies into the river.
Aileen was betrayed by friends and family, so at that point she sold herself off to make money, but she became mentally unstable and ended becoming insane.
Jeffery Dahmer and Ed Gein were also people who had issues as children.
Dahmer had certain tendencies towards Men, sexual tendencies. I believe he could it expressed these feelings and that’s he became the way that he was.
Ed Gein was abused by his mother frequently and had lived a sheltered life, which made him go crazy when his mother passed away and at that point he started killing people.
I believe everyone has a limit before they snap, so imo I believe people should be nicer, more respectful, and parents shouldn’t force their awful beliefs onto their children.
Idk if it could have been avoided, if you could prove that they were a danger to the public maybe, but like that takes a while.
@@Roasty420 Psych research shows it depends. Sociopaths are chaotic, disorganised , impulsive & often 'snap'. They will often blitz/frenzy attack & overkill (carrying on attacking after the victim is already dead). Psychopaths are logical, methodical, plan their kills & often stalk a victim. 70% of murders involve stalking the victim first.
I work in mental health. It's what I'm passionate about. Most of my patients have criminal records or will be facing consequences with the law when they leave our unit. In my opinion, the defendant was absolutely in acute psychosis and alarm bells should have been ringing like freight trains years ago.
As usual you cover this tragedy with compassion. Not everyone who suffers from mental illness will commit a crime but you have illuminated those factors that can contribute to choices to commit a crime.
So sad. I've not heard of this case. Thank you for covering it. Always great to see the handsome Nero 🥰❤️🇦🇺
Hey Adrian, if I may, I’d like to recommend you cover a case of Russel Williams. He’s a former Canadian Air Force colonel turned serial killer. Word is he even once flew some royalties around (might have even been Queen Elizabeth). Thanks for your vids. Keep up the great work!
Many other channels have covered Russell Williams. The interrogation by detective Jim Smyth was definitely a solid interaction. Williams had went into the interview with the idea that he would walk out a free man, but obviously he was no match for the detective
Careful he might have his under-roos stolen if he does a video on ol' russ
I think JCS Jim Can't Swim has a fantastic video on him covering everything and reviewing his interrogation.
@@borisdorofeev5602 unfortunately most of JCS was removed and the channel was shut down by UA-cam
I don’t know that this one is still on there.
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Yup it’s there
@@borisdorofeev5602 matt orchard's channel has a great video on russel williams as well. It's a fairly new video of his.
Sometimes it’s not always beneficial to have a relationship with natural parents! Drugs and alcohol when pregnant are disastrous. Love your stories Adrian doing a great job!
The Cat clips overcast the entire case w/ cuteness. Always a pleasure, Adrian
Whatever!!!! I’m not ashamed of sweet tea. It’s all I’ve ever known man. That said I found your channel like 3 days ago and can’t get enough of it. Love it!!! Thank you for what you do. From the Sweet tea Tennessean
I know this is prob the least important thing to focus on from this video...but there should NEVER be any sweet tea slander!! lol. Another great video man.
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Agree! I love it! I live in Ga
Right! I came here just to say that😂Don’t come for our tea sir😂
Right. If anything putting a dairy product in leaf juice is more bizarre. I'll take my vegan leaf water.
I was looking for this comment! Thank you!! I'm from the South, Texas. I love, love love my sweet tea. That's why we call it "sweet" tea and not just "tea!" It's not good at all for someone with chronic kidney stones though, I just cannot help myself! Stay safe and well everyone!
I think it's pretty hard to pin down Jeff's motives, but just using my gut, I feel like Jeff had retreated to a place he felt was isolated from others bc he was upset. maybe he was even contemplating suicide. Then come these two teens, ready to have fun, which infuriates him. how dare they intrude on him. I think that he probably looked at them as normies and imagined them as his complete opposite: able to have a fun fling while he was in mental anguish, probably able to go home to a stable family life, able to have a bright future. so he lets out all his rage on them, because how dare they.
That's only a guess, though.
just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. anger and frustration doesn't need a good reason to kill.
@@sentryogmixmaster no, but I think that understanding why people think certain ways is important in preventing crimes like that from happening. I also don't think he may have consciously processed any of that.
While I do feel terrible for Carter, seeing your boyfriend/close friend getting shot, getting taped and then killed execution style must’ve been terrible. Natalie went through hell before her death. This monster does not deserve any sympathy. One of the worst things I’ve heard of, alongside the hell Castro and Fritzl put their victims through, it’s hard to compare because they are alive but they were tortured for much longer….
RIP Carter and Natalie
I agree, the people who are so sympathetic to depraved killers worry me.
And she got raped.
I’m loving the bit you put in the end with your cat :) and as always, thank you for covering cases with such details and I really enjoy your narrative style.. keep it up 👍
I am so pleased he got 2 life sentences and his mental health didn’t get him off , he knew what he was doing, evil 👿 thank you so much for sharing this video ❤❤❤
Mental illness can be a valid justification for crimes
His illness is fake clearly, that pitiful hand tics? give me a break
Oh my heart Nero! So glad to see you chatter at the bird outside. One of my cats does the same thing.
Thank you Adrian, I love how methodically and respectfully you tell those stories. You’re a gooddum!
Tragic story, very glad to see "bloopers" with your cat at the end. It definitely brightens the mood after
So heartbreaking that these murders were so evil so random. Those beautiful kids. As for the murderer he was a cry for help and was not helped. I don't think the grandparents can be blamed as it seems they did what they knew to do. My heart goes out to the victims loved ones.
Love Coffeehouse Crime! You do such a great job!
Rest in peace, Carter and Natalie
I love your background. It doesn’t hurt my eyes to look into at night time. Thank you
Was excited (and sad, of course) to see Metro Atlanta covered. There are far too many cases that could be on your list but one stands out for me. It's the "Atlanta Child Murders". The first I'd been made aware of regarding the city. Also, there's more to Georgia (state) than sweet tea (which, I just call syrup so I agree...). Just so you know you are, by far, my favorite true crime presenter. Keep up the phenomenal work! ❤
as a southerner I find the humor in you saying we should be ashamed of liking sweet tea, but to play devils advocate... different strokes for different folks
Another absolutely tragic ❤️ breaking story. THIS WORLD has wayyyy too many inhumane humans in it.
I remember my ma telling me about this after I got home from school and I never heard how it ended, so thank you for covering it
I get so excited when you upload a new case, despite still working my way through the old ones 😆 best true crime content on youtube!
Playing fancy pants remix in computer science next to Carter trying to see which one of us would win first while the dirtyass computer science teacher was having a breakdown is like a top 5 memory from that high school. I hope his family's doing well
I love how much respect and care you show the victims in these cases. You are so good at what you do. Keep up the good work! I love your channel! It's one of my favorites!
Why on earth would they keep weapons in the house after he kept stealing them over and over?
You know, you don't HAVE to include your boss in every video. I'm gonna come back even if you don't...but you do and that's 100% OK. He's a good boy. I love him. 😻
Definitely a chilling tale. I don't even know how to reconcile it, dealing with mental illness myself. Was he faking to receive a reduced sentence by exaggerating his symptoms or was this truly a preventable crime if support had been there? Who knows?
You'll probably not read this but I've been curious if you've ever thought of releasing your videos "live" and speaking with fans about each case via chat? I know that would definitely be a lot more work for you but I follow a few channels that do this and it definitely creates more opportunities for interactions with your audience.
Keep up the great work, Adrian (I hope I'm spelling that right).
You keep making them and I'll keep watching them.
Take care.
Thank you for covering this tragedy with such detail and caring. I live not far from where it happened and had not heard of some of the details.
I live in Roswell. When I tell you this case absolutely rocked this community, it's an understatement.
I don't hear you go off script very often, but your tea comment gave me the giggles. Thank you for putting a little humor in some dark stories.
The Southerners love their sweet tea, he's going to lose a few subscribers over that comment. I moved to the south (VA) at around 24...and have lived in AL, SC, NC, and TN. Now living back in the N in CT. I can tell you for certain that was a prickly joke that they won't take kindly to. LOL Personally, I don't like any kind of tea!
@@LifesPeachy321 any person that unsuscribes because of a tea joke isn't mature enough to be on this channel ,better they go xd
@@djihanehamdaoui2948 True! Sad thing is the south doesn't need much to make them mad...just being a Yankee will make them not friendly towards you. I remember I was 26 when I moved to rural VA just outside Charlottesville...and I couldn't get over the amount of people the first thing they'd say to me is "are you a Yankee?" That and/or "have you found a church family yet?" LOL It was the older generation, but still. That was in the late 80's. I love the South, but some of the people...yikees
Such a tragic story and so so sad. On a brighter note your story telling just keeps getting better and better!
Nero is sooo handsome 🐾♥️ what a great way to end such a tragic story. With a kitty to brighten the day 🥰
You always do such a great job telling the story of the victims and who they were as people. Kudos to you!
"I'm going to explode one day and someone is going to get hurt."
"Nah, we don't need to institutionalize him, even if he _is_ fucking terrifying. It'll be _fine."_
People can be so dumb sometimes.
EDIT: YAY FOR KITTY! I feel my last suggestion has been honoured, thank you.
Yey, watching this with my kitty lying across me,she never sits on me lol.
@@ann-mariepaliukenas19 Mine won't even lie on me lol. My floofer used to sleep in my lap while I was gaming when he was a kitten, but now he's a strong, independent boi who don't need no lap lmao
I’m possessively cradling my sweet tea, and wondering how anyone could hate its lovely glory so much!
This is one of the hardest listening I've ever experienced.
That poor girl. I had to turn the volume down when the detective was explaining what was said in the interrogation..
I truely hope that that man rots in prison for the rest of his miserable life.
May Natalie & Carter R.I.P. Thank you for the coverage Adrian. Aloha from Hawaii...
Woooo! Happy day! Love your videos Adrian, keep up the great work! ❤
Thank you!
The shot at our southern sweet tea made me laugh. You're just mad that your tea seems to taste better when dumped into a harbor. Love the channel! 🤣
Nah, "sweet tea" is just sugar water.
@@JillC2
Yeah. With tea leaves boiled or steeped in it. That's how tea works.
We had to come up with our own tea after we threw all of yours into the harbour
I believe he's actually American, just been living in the UK since he was young
@@samanthar1214 I know, as someone with a lot of American family I just feel it Is my obligation to make Boston tea party jokes whenever the possibility arises, lol
He seemed like he was faking just to get better treatment. Despicable!! People with Asperges, multiple personalities and Schizophrenia and those who have been badly abused don't usually kill.
I appreciate all your work and i really enjoy the content. Just want to say that tea intro was extremely funny. Csught me off gaurd, superb video!
Not to disrespect this tragic story...
..But, I think when you hit 1.5million followers you should re-upload your first ever crime story video. Be really cool to see where it started and how it has evolved.
Congratulations on your success. Hard work and sensitive storytelling are paying dividends.
That'd be a neat idea