Off-Road Racing 101: Hare Scramble and Enduro Motorcycle Selection

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  • @truckingfun5033
    @truckingfun5033 6 років тому +8

    I'm 33 years old... on the leaner side. 6'6" and 190 lbs, I love how 2 strokes are making a come back probably because of the mass amount of people getting into doing hair scrambles, and they work we'll for that. I ride a 01 KX 250 that has been set up for hair scramble races. Just living life, and having fun.
    Everybody just remember age is just a number, and your only as old as you feel...lol

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  6 років тому +1

      Couldn’t agree with you more. I’m 35 and ride a 2007 250 XCW. As long as I can get out there and race, I had had a great day. May not be pleased with the result, but I still have fun.

  • @AdventureswithBigJohn
    @AdventureswithBigJohn 6 років тому +7

    Im 57 years old 6' and weigh about 250lbs. I grew up riding and racing CR250s and recently bought a YZ450F. I love the smooth power and I can handle her pretty good for an old guy. I plan on racing scrambles on it. Ive been riding the weekends preparing and getting conditioned. 1st race is August the 5th. Wish me luck!

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  6 років тому

      That is awesome and good luck. You aren't racing the MHSC race are you? We have a race at Kahoka MX.

    • @AdventureswithBigJohn
      @AdventureswithBigJohn 6 років тому

      No its in Arkansas at the James Ranch.

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  6 років тому

      Got it. Have fun and good luck.

  • @paulschommer3763
    @paulschommer3763 6 років тому +4

    When I started racing in the woods, there was a running joke, you can always tell the new guys, they have the biggest bikes. Recently the top local guys are on 125-150 2t or a 250 4t.

  • @Tankerman
    @Tankerman 5 років тому

    I had a 450x and I loved it until I climb on a 2 stroke and felt the difference. I now love my KTM 250xc because its so light and nimble and to prove your point I am at 300 pounds. You really made some great points. Stay safe

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  5 років тому

      Glad you like the channel and info. I may be a keyboard warrior, but I try to speak from the experience that I do have to help those who are getting into the sport because I was there not to long ago.

  • @louisdriscoll2580
    @louisdriscoll2580 2 роки тому

    Run or ride a bicycle… mountain biking is great way to get in shape and orient yourself to the woods

  • @tompartee4560
    @tompartee4560 7 років тому +4

    2 stroke yz250 all day every day!

  • @louisdriscoll2580
    @louisdriscoll2580 2 роки тому

    Great woods bike

  • @v4sdude191
    @v4sdude191 6 років тому +2

    Husqvarna Tx 300 is a great choice

  • @briandavis4916
    @briandavis4916 3 роки тому

    I remember an occasion back when i was about 30 and riding at my best. My dirtbike club went out for a fun ride day. I had a 96 YZWR 250 2 stroke that was a violent snarling beast. My buddy that rode a few levels above me rode my bike and commented that my bike was faster and pulled harder than his ktm 300. Well another of my buddies that was in her mid 50's had a really clean KDX 200 and i asked her to try it. I took a loop on my bike at an aggressive for me pace and then took the same loop on her KDX 200 and discovered that i was faster and had more fun on her smaller and more mellow and friendly bike. Thats when i learned that power isnt everything and smaller is better for me in the woods. Now I'm over 50 and over 200lbs and I've been away from off road for many years so I'm probably back to beginner off road riding level. But my next dirtbike will probably be a 125-150 2t or possibly a 230-250 4t playbike. With age comes wisdom and I've let go of my ego and grown past the notion that bigger and faster is better.

  • @coloradom1009
    @coloradom1009 6 років тому

    Interesting video. I have a few things to add. For hare scramble, I would get a more powerful bike as the whole 2+ hour race is a "special test". Also get a larger gas tank, no matter if 2 or 4 stroke. Hand guards and skidplate are also good ideas. For a woods bike, I would say it is more than just the rear rim size. Most will have wide ratio transmissions, heavier flywheel, lighting coil, and spark arrestor as well as softer suspension. I raced a CRF450 in both enduro and hare scramble and it did much better on the hare scramble. I have raced a CR500, CR250, and a KX250 in hare scrambles and I can say the 500 was too much, it vibrated my arms into mush. I raced a modified DRZ400 in a B class enduro and got first place. It is a heavy bike but it also will not beat the rider up as much over 2-3 hours. The terrain for this enduro was brutal; rocks the size of basketballs, uphill sections with turns in them, river crossings, mud, open prairie, scrub oak, pine trees, and crashed/broken bikes here & there. I think I would like to try a European 300cc+ 2 stroke. If it had elec start, wide ratio tranny, large tank, flywheel weighs, I think it would be the perfect bike. One last item I would add, Revloc or Rekluse clutch... these are awesome for racing in slow tight sections like trees/rocks. Money well spent.

  • @fabricioafonso824
    @fabricioafonso824 3 роки тому

    I ride a 2020 crf450 on them races for the past 8 months, i finished race good position. Never once had a problem with to much power.. i weight 250 pounds.. so I guess is doing me good. But everyone ride different to me is perfect 👌

  • @tonycerruto5157
    @tonycerruto5157 4 роки тому

    Dude, great video! I did my first HS on a Husqvarna TE450. That was in 2010 when the TE was a 4 stroke. I was coming from a XR650L. I thought I was on the lightest bike in the world... I was wrong. I’m now 51 and looking to get back in the game. I’m a stumpy 5’7” 190lbs. I’m fairly fit for my age but riding a 2hr HS WILL knock the dog S**t out of you. Next bike I raced was a KDX200. Much better. Then a KTM XC200. That’s the ticket! If your short like me, light and as low as possible is the way to go. I know older guys who turn crazy lap times on 125 2 strokes. I 100% agree. For tight woods, smaller is better. If I didn’t already have my KTM, I’d buy a used YZ 125, throw an 18” wheel on the rear, maybe a little heavier flywheel, some hand guards and go race!

  • @thursmedia
    @thursmedia 2 роки тому

    I tried my first HS 1/2 a year into starting dirt biking on an 04 250 EXC… after an all night rain… ground was clay… foot deep ruts … as a 48 year old idiot…. I made it 3/4 of the way around the first lap.

  • @louisdriscoll2580
    @louisdriscoll2580 2 роки тому

    Grew up on a Penton 2 stroke

  • @snowsurfer2512
    @snowsurfer2512 5 років тому

    3:50, glad you pointed out beta

  • @dv8214
    @dv8214 5 років тому

    I think an older 450 that has a carb is alright but I'd agree with a fuel injected 450 can be too much

  • @nigelsenchez
    @nigelsenchez 6 років тому

    Best is 125-300 two stroke. 250-350 4 stroke.

  • @clattfamilyracing
    @clattfamilyracing 6 років тому +1

    just got rid of y 16 crf450 for that very reason, bought a 17 ktm 250 xc-w only 20lb lighter but so much faster

  • @yepthehusband
    @yepthehusband 6 років тому

    Great video! I learned similarly in autox that it is more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. Didn't take my own advice when I got into bikes and picked up an xr650r(Blame dust to glory.) Talk about worst first bike ever.

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  6 років тому

      I could't agree with you more. I raced karts in California and was in the Clone Class (the weakest motors) and it was the biggest class because it was the cheapest and just as fun to drive as the faster karts.

  • @roughready7491
    @roughready7491 3 роки тому

    Raced my first harescramble on a 1991 dr350. Never again. Gotta find me a newer lighter bike with.........an electric start 😆

  • @ripnriding1
    @ripnriding1 6 років тому +5

    Husky Tx 300. Easy

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  6 років тому +1

      Those are nice bikes. I would like to race a 300 some day just to see the difference. I race a 250 2T.

  • @GABETHEGREAT-ni3sy
    @GABETHEGREAT-ni3sy 4 роки тому

    Hey I’m 16 I’m 5’10 220 and I’m a high level beginner and wanting to get a new bike for harescramble racing and my budget is less then 5k plss help

  • @kv996s
    @kv996s 5 років тому

    Husky FE 350,street leagle in my state.

  • @louisdriscoll2580
    @louisdriscoll2580 2 роки тому

    I’m 70 years old and 145 lb

  • @rollinbolen1254
    @rollinbolen1254 5 років тому +1

    Ktm 300 XCW

  • @louisdriscoll2580
    @louisdriscoll2580 2 роки тому

    I suggest you bu6 brand new

  • @louisdriscoll2580
    @louisdriscoll2580 2 роки тому

    I ride a 300 ktm Xcw

  • @Sertao2013
    @Sertao2013 5 років тому

    sprocket ratios , what is the top speed for the first gear ? electric start or not ? Head lights or not ? Hydraulic clutch ?

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  5 років тому +1

      Good questions that I don't cover. Here is my input.
      Sprocket Ratios: Start with stock for your bike and get some seat time. Then make changes if you feel like you need it. Every bike is different. On my previous bike, I was 14:52. On my current bike I started with 13:50 and didn't like it. Tried 13:52 and it made to much of a change and now I'm happy with 13:51.
      1st Gear Speed: Honestly, don't worry about first gear. I went in to my first race thinking I would use 1st. I quickly realized you don't. The only time you use first is if you come to a stop on a hill. Even off of the starting line, you should start in 2nd.
      Electric Start: I would say yes, but not a deal breaker. If your bike dies on a hill or if you are already dead beat tired, an e-start is really nice.
      Head Light: As far as selecting a bike, it makes no difference. But if you buy one that has it take it off and put a plain number plate on. You will eventually hit a tree and break the headlight. But the light back on when you sell it.
      Hydraulic Clutch: Depends on the bike. KTM is hydraulic and Yamaha is a cable. I see all bikes going hydraulic in the future, but I wouldn't not buy a bike because of a cable clutch.

  • @louisdriscoll2580
    @louisdriscoll2580 2 роки тому

    Next get in shape phiical

  • @lmcc8798
    @lmcc8798 4 роки тому

    SCOTT SUMMERS. XR600R.
    (there's a reason he's the only one who did it.)

  • @harvesthawkins
    @harvesthawkins 7 років тому +2

    Other 2-stroke cons...
    1) They smell like an oil refinery
    2) They sound like a table saw
    3) They burn oil and are melting the ice caps
    4) 2 strokes is less than 4 strokes so you get less strokes for your money

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  7 років тому +7

      1) They only smell like an oil refinery if you have something wrong. Otherwise they smell like the sweet smell of victory.
      2) A table saw is good. That means you have it wide open and are on your way to victory.
      3) Unless you have an Alta, you are burning something. Victory!
      3) Because you don't have to carry around the two extra strokes, your bike is lighter and faster and victory is that much easier.
      Why haven't I blocked you yet? You troll all my videos.

  • @atoaster071
    @atoaster071 6 років тому

    i'm thinking of getting started into xc racing a little bit with an rm 125 (2t). I'm curious if anyone has any suggestions for betting suiting the bike for this type of racing, such as a bigger sprocket to give a little more power down low for example. i cant find any info that would steer me in the right direction.

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  6 років тому

      My recommendation, would be to see if the series you are wanting to race in has a forum or Facebook page and ask that group. My experience has been that people will be very helpful.
      I don't have a lot of experience with a 125, but one thing that a lot of people recommend to make a moto bike a little more into a woods bike is to get a heavier flywheel. By doing that, it calms down the motor a bit and a little less snappy.
      Again, never ridden a 125, but clutch control will be key. To get good power on hills and coming out of corners, you will slip your clutch so you can keep your bike in the higher rpms and only transfer to the ground at the speed you need. Good luck.

  • @draykemartin1450
    @draykemartin1450 5 років тому

    So I’m just getting into hare scrambles. I’ve been experienced on both 2 and 4 strokes in the woods. What would you recommend me getting so start my racing career on. A 2019 yz125 or yz250fx

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  5 років тому

      If you are 17 or older, I would recommend the 250 due to the fact that it is a bike you can develop with and do well relatively well with right out the gate. A 125 is a better choice for younger riders due to size, weight and maneuverability. There is a trend for people to have a 125, but I think for racing you will like the 250 better.

    • @whitetrashgarage8110
      @whitetrashgarage8110 5 років тому +1

      yz250fx is a wicked bike.
      I raced roughly 10 years of just motocross, and took my yz250f that was set up specifically for mx and did some hare scrambles, it did pretty good for being too stiff and with too tall of gearing.
      The 4 stroke power is smooth, but the bike will be heavier. Depending on your size it's not a huge deal. A 125 will need to be kept on the pipe, which really isn't so easy if you're new to the woods, it won't like being lugged around.
      I'm now on a 2018 YZ250X. It's great, love how much better my slow speed tight trail riding improved right away. However, it was snappier than my 250f, and ended up having a bad crash in a rainy race that I feel maybe wouldn't have happened on the 250f... I still can't ride 9 months later.
      The 250fx has great gearing, good suspension, e-start... Can't go wrong!

    • @tonycerruto5157
      @tonycerruto5157 4 роки тому

      I agree, if you’re experienced in 4 and 2 stroke, I’d go with the YZ250F-X. Hare scrambles are what that bike was made for. The 250f is a motoX bike, the 250F-X is the same bike but set up for woods right from the factory.

  • @itsthebike6672
    @itsthebike6672 6 років тому

    I do miss my KX 250 at times, but not the vibration. The high frequency vibes are not any fun. Two strokes typically are not fuel injected, don't get as good as MPG as the fuel injected four strokes, & typically are not electric start.

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  6 років тому

      Yes. The vibrations can suck. But once I'm riding it hard, I don't notice it. There are companies out there (like XC Gear) that help reduce the vibrations. I would say that unless you are one of the few in the US who own one, all two strokes are still carbureted. With the nature of the two stroke, I don't think it will ever be as fuel efficient as a 4T, just like they won't produce as much torque, but that gap is closing. And finally, electric starts are pretty much standard on all bike any more (there are exceptions). Heck even the TTR50 has an electric start.

  • @WILDoRANDYoFILMS
    @WILDoRANDYoFILMS 2 роки тому

    Ride what you got.

  • @peytonreinkemeyer43
    @peytonreinkemeyer43 5 років тому

    It's a motocross bike but do u think a yz125 can be a good woods bike?

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  5 років тому

      Absolutely. Especially if you are a smaller rider. I’m thinking about getting one to do more Hard Enduro style riding with. The 125 will require a little more skill when it comes to clutch control.

    • @peytonreinkemeyer43
      @peytonreinkemeyer43 5 років тому

      @@WhyRushRacing1 alrighty! Thanks man, I'm actually racing it at Loazia this weekend

  • @J450NX5
    @J450NX5 7 років тому

    KTM 250 xc FMHSC 600's Great vid btw.

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  7 років тому

      Thanks. Did you race Beer Ranch West this past weekend? I was there and I raced the 600 class.

    • @J450NX5
      @J450NX5 7 років тому

      Yes, I saw your banner hanging. Was going to stop by and say hi after the race but, I was exhausted. One of those tell your wife to step back cause you didn't know where the water you just drank was going to go. lol. 690 Jason

  • @coreypierce4888
    @coreypierce4888 5 років тому

    15 years old on a 1992 cr 500 then a 2016 ktm 450sxf for harescramble racing in floirda. Any bike works.

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  5 років тому

      I'm impressed. Those are two bikes that I wouldn't recommend for a new/newer racer. In fact, I'm thinking about getting a 125 that I could race in some of the more technical races and don't need speed.

    • @coreypierce4888
      @coreypierce4888 5 років тому

      Why Rush? Racing I did time on a crf250r but the kick start was killing me so I did a 350 sxf then these 2

  • @louisdriscoll2580
    @louisdriscoll2580 2 роки тому

    Has lots of low end power an$ can drive it in 3 gear

  • @davidbillman1525
    @davidbillman1525 5 років тому

    Yz450fx has the same amount of hp as a 300 2t. So why is a 450 too much. Also the fx has different maps so you can tune it mellow if you want.

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  5 років тому

      Two things. I believe the 450 has more rotational inertia so that it has a heavier feel to it when trying to weave it between trees. Secondly would be where the power is. On my 250 xcf, it seemed more jumpy on the lower end than my 250 xcw. I imagine the 450 would just be worse. On the 2T, if I wanted that power, I could run the revs high and just feather the clutch. With my 4T, I just twist and occasionally feather.

  • @Kolsch221
    @Kolsch221 5 років тому

    Husky TE300

  • @louisdriscoll2580
    @louisdriscoll2580 2 роки тому

    Buy protective equipment first

  • @SuperFrekshow
    @SuperFrekshow 6 років тому

    Crf250r

  • @jffbrns
    @jffbrns 7 років тому +1

    You riding a 200 in the video?

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  7 років тому

      I have a 2007 250 XC-W. I know a few people (that are adults) that have a 200cc or smaller and they love them. They say it is like riding a motorized mountain bike. The smaller bikes will have a tougher time accelerating in the field sections, but how often does that happen (around here, it is 95% single track in woods)?

  • @alecgrygiel470
    @alecgrygiel470 6 років тому

    XC2 GNCC is only 250's

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  6 років тому +1

      Yes, I knew that and that was why I brought up Josh Toth. Josh finished up the season in 5th place Overall (won the XC2 Class) riding a 250. Maybe not the best comparison, but I was trying to illustrate that a 250 is able to compete with the 350 and 450 bikes in off-road racing.

  • @Roree403
    @Roree403 Рік тому

    Semi experienced rider and what a great video with great info, couldn’t disagree with a thing you said. And f@ck all you tall guys…..lol….6’3, 6’6….haha only thing missing is being a short ass and having to settle for a bike that’s comfortable. Not so bad once you have some seat time but as a newer rider, being able to get at least a solid foot on the ground is key to building confidence

  • @chrissilva661
    @chrissilva661 6 років тому

    None of this applies to Western US Hare Scrambles. Big bikes rule the desert!

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  6 років тому

      I imagine that is true. I would like to try one of those races some day.

    • @chrissilva661
      @chrissilva661 6 років тому

      Why Rush? Racing Come out to California and I’ll show you around!

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  6 років тому

      I moved out there after college for eight years (Fresno 5 yrs then Sacramento 3 yrs) and I found out about the sport towards the end, but didn't pursue it until I got back in Missouri. Now I see videos from California and see missed opportunities.

  • @c2protect
    @c2protect 5 років тому

    Please please stop saying motor... Cross. It's Motocross...not motorcross. But still enjoy your input.

    • @WhyRushRacing1
      @WhyRushRacing1  5 років тому

      You can blame years of ignorance about motorcycle racing (of all types) for that one. It wasn't until I started racing (2015) that I realized I had been saying it wrong and I still catch myself saying or writing it wrong all the time. I'm glad you are able to see through my transgressions and enjoy the content.

  • @ferrante250
    @ferrante250 7 років тому

    Ktm 250 xc

  • @ryanmarshall5654
    @ryanmarshall5654 4 роки тому

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    0:46 💕
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