The fact they didnt realize their ki blasts still hurt eachother was killing me, doto got hit by 2 masenkos that chunked his hp and they didnt realize 😂😂😂
I remember playing this game with my cousin way way back in the day of 2008, had the time of our lives playing it. (This is how I learned the storyline of the anime) takes me back, I thought about playing it last year but never sat down. This videos solidifies how janky games were in early 2000s…good times
The secret Strat to all bosses is just punching twice then kicking twice without ever completing a combo. The boss can’t ever get out of stunlock that way
Trust me, get some upgrades and it gets easier. If I remember right upper cut is nice and any unblockable combo makes it so much easier. I did a all hard mode because of that Buu saga rumor.
I really don't know if you'll see this Doto, but if you collect enough of the capsules, it increases your total health and ki, depending on which ones you collected. Also, the red ones heal your hp
@@khaledm.1476 They've been programmed to think they're the *real* DotoDoya's, they're down there scheming somewhere, but their real goal is to see you get scammed I tried to reference that Android 13 movie (I think that's the right one), I dunno if it landed
@@xiaolin867 "You're just a slave, a pawn with no free will of its own is that it? "Free will? Pitiful humans. Cryptocurrency, NFTs, Twitter blue, is that what you've done with your free will boy? _Don't you lecture me with your $30 haircut_ Goku gets scammed"
0:45 So even after "disabling friendly fire" you can STILL take damage from friendlies that fire at you. It seems they developers for this game didn't even understand what "friendly fire" actually means... Wait.. 4:15 - 4:17 Doto lost health when Nano punched him... They didn't actually APPLY the "no friendly fire", did they?
I remember playing this with my bro in the ps2 days, and remembering that teleportation is essentially required to land supers later on since they'll sidestep like crazy.
I'm probably one of the few people that actually likes this game. Would I say it's a great game? No, but plenty of good fun can be had with it, especially with friends. I also don't think this game's meant to be played on hard until you beat it once and have a bunch of upgrades. Is that an oversight? Yes, but I still like it. I'm also willing to admit that I may be a little biased because my dad is also a DBZ fan so I grew up playing all the classic PS2 games. So I may have a special place in my heart for this game because it was a two player DBZ game I played with my dad as a kid.
I actually had a blast as a kid with this game. Me and my friend played the hell out of the game. Granted we didn’t do hard mode until we played the game thoroughly and understood everything. Fun game in my opinion
The hardest difficulty is made for new game+ so you can play Broly, Bardock, vegeta, etc, and the health bars actually make sense being that high bcs these caracters are op af
@@peterenis3507 i think im remembering wrong then, its been a long time since i played this game But the new game plus thing is true, i remember beating the game on easy to unlock characters and play as broly and trunks on the early levels
I honestly loved this game growing up my fav, tip for you guys (you DESPERATELY need it) buy the unlockable finishers Not only could you break their guard, you also send any enemies around you flying this also works for the grab and roundhouse kicks Good luck 🍀
No joke I actually was trying to find this game online. I remember playing this as a kid but could not beat raditz. And I could not remember the name of the game. Thank you so much for uploading this
The jump from Normal to Hard is *_RIDICULOUS!_* 🤣 One minute you're playing a DBZ game with friends, the next you are doing a Dark Souls SL 1 run. lmao
this game introduced me to dragon ball as a kid before I had ever seen the show or anything. So nostalgic seeing it again, I really enjoyed it back then.
I only played it with my brother and with all action replay cheats enabled. we had a disc with all the hacks, then put the sagas disc in without resetting the ps2, so we played through with infinite health and ki. of course, we then didn't realise that you could go super saiyan by ki charging because we never had to use that input...
@@magnumbreakz you'd be surprised at what a kid with nothing better to do is capable of in a game. Being older tends to make people a lot more cynical and quicker to give up cuz they got stuff to do lol. Like Doto and Nano would call this game trash at any and every minor inconvenience, but a kid just *_wouldn't_* care
Someone recently told me that this is their favorite Dragon Ball Z game, as in to this day, as in they’ve played every other game and have even replayed Sagas multiple times within the last 2 years.
If you think this is bad....imagine when you get to the final boss and you gotta wombo combo up to ssj2 just to beat perfect cell.... Oh and a fun fact! You can play as other characters through the various stages but.... And I did this with Broly... You cannot, repeat, cannot beat Perfect Cell with anything other than ssj2 teen Gohan, but they'll still let you get to the fight. Excellent game design.
I bought this game back on ebay the other day for the original XBOX because of this series. I really have to say- It isn't THE WORST Dragon Ball Z game, but of course, I'm not above donning the nostalgia goggles from time to time, either. 🤓 Collecting 10 of either coloured capsule increases the capacity for that respective capsule, guys! Red capsules will fill your health bar, and-- I'm pretty sure you're still clapping each other with your ki blasts.. 😂
Also, you can grab Nappa if I remember correctly. Most of the enemies in these games. Are launchable and a grab is basically something that launches them I believe and has a little follow up.
One exploit that you can do is never finish a combo as this keeps characters, especially bosses, in hit stun. So, you hit square 4 times then triangle 4 times and repeat over and over until they die
This is the only classic dragon ball game I've never completed because I kept clipping through the ground and falling into infinity, was a really trippy look too with the repeated images of the player and attacks slowly engulfing the screen while whatever enemy at the time gets pulled down with me and tries to get me but can't.
You can in fact grab Nappa or pretty much any NPC in this game and throw them it is one of my favorite things to do against regular enemies. Though i would not recommend on hard they do WAY more damage than the normal difficulty and it locks you in place which is not so good uppercut and roundhouse are fine, but i think it would be better for you both to use the turbo ki charge which you have, combo breaker because if you do ever get to the late game fight the NPCs will combo you to death, and being able to break out of it is very useful. Also the AI will combo break your combos in the late game as well which is why i recommend grab because the AI cannot combo break it and it does ok damage. Teleport is also amazing especially in conjunction with Turbo Ki Charge because you can teleport on top of the NPCs as long as you are locked on and blast them point blank. On a side note you can also get the Air recovery so you can stay in the air and not get knocked down and have to wait to slowly get back up. However it might get you stunlocked if the NPC decides to spam ki blasts or melee attacks. Also a fun combo you can do well as fun as it gets in Sagas is grab into a teleporting signature skill so kamehameha or special beam cannon ecetera because of the AI doesn't air recover you can hit them while they are on the ground which means they cannot block the attack either so you do as much damage as possible. Hope this helps Doto and company to some what make this experience tolerable :)
Man this game was tough to beat though the satisfaction of beating it was amazing and then realizing there was no Buu saga really took a huge chunk out of the enjoyment. Tho unlocking the costumes and playing as Bardock was really fun.
Hard Mode is made for New Game +, so you guys were never going to beat it lmao still, glad to see you guys playing this again, the game sucks but watching this is tons of fun
NO! THE DOTO I KNOW WOULD NEVER GIVE UP ON ANY CHALLENGE, NO MATTER WHAT THE DIFFICULTY! AND EVEN WHEN YOU LOSE, YOU ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO GET BACK UP AND BEAT THEIR ASS (not sus)
I don't understand the hate for this game, I played it with friends as a kid and sure it controlled like ass but once you figure things out, you can do some crazy stuff. Round house kick, teleport before they land, uppercut into the air, charge your ki attack, teleport to them mid air and blasting them felt so good, and I haven't found a dbz game yet that gave me the feeling of pulling off that combo
I used to like this game, not sure if it’s nostalgia but I feel like it can be fun on like not the hardest difficulty. Like back 4 blood, I couldn’t beat it on the hardest mode because I’m bad, but I had fun on easy with my friends
Holy hell. I remember this game! Barely played it myself, but my cousin played the hell out of it on the Xbox back in the day. I remember it being more fun if a tad repetitive and grindy, though the Budokai and Budokai Tenkaichi games were much better.
Boss fights are pretty easy actually, just never finish a combo, like you do square x4 then pause for a bit and then triangle x4, why ? Because the last hit of a combo will launch the ennemy while here they'll most of the time stay in front of you so they'll either block or stare at you if you time it right.
I never give up on these challenges but I don't know this one seemed impossible! Should we come back and try it again?
But, BUT, BUT YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FOR YOUR FRIENDS!
@@phenomenalbat4629 Yeah, that always works out...
@@JesterDragon8743 woooow
Nah you should get back to the soul link with Deion
Doto is goated
The reason they made the Saibamen so strong is because the Devs really want you to feel like Yamcha on hard mode
But Yamcha easily beat the shit out of that Saibaman. He just turned his back and got sneak attacked.
@@liamjm9278 Yea, for a 1v1. This is a 1v5. Yamcha would get cooked.
@@zaimanity8893 No.
@@zaimanity8893especially with kawimancopyman kyubin and kabon man theres alot of sabiberman
"WHEN YOU THINK OF DRAGON BALL GAMES, YOU THINK OF DRAGON BALL GAMES, MAYBE EVEN GOKU"
- Deion's best Doto impression that came to life
Him and Rhyme was so wrong for that🤣😂
what mcfuckin vid
where can i find that impression
Dude I felt bad cause i love doto but Deion is just freaking hilarious af 😭😂
@@rkayn24 in Rhymestyle’s video called “two idiots play unreleased cursed DBZ game”
When Nano starts to wheeze when they have to start at the top again... I can actually feel his pain
I think that actually beats the moment doto killed him in Project winter that one time XD
The fact they didnt realize their ki blasts still hurt eachother was killing me, doto got hit by 2 masenkos that chunked his hp and they didnt realize 😂😂😂
It doesnt lol xD
i saw that shit, i was like...tf is friendly fire for
The Ki blasts dont hurt each other......at what time stamp to do you guys see it?? O.o
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@@shadoemerald2633 6:33
Nappa's running animation following up with a combo is too funny
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@@Dotodoya01that’s so fake
I like how you said you turned off Friendly Fire and then Nano blasted you with a Masenko that CLEARLY chunked your hp lol
Seeing Piccolo and Gohan run from Saibamen is hilarious
The magic of Dragon Ball games
bro put bandai in the thumb when they didnt even make this game
I had a blast playing this game as a kid lol
The final Gohan fight is actually still fun, but good luck having the will to get there
I remember playing this game with my cousin way way back in the day of 2008, had the time of our lives playing it. (This is how I learned the storyline of the anime) takes me back, I thought about playing it last year but never sat down. This videos solidifies how janky games were in early 2000s…good times
5:09 bro that camera pan + purple enemy rising out of the ground + sonic unleashed music re-awakened something deep within me I'm going primal
The secret Strat to all bosses is just punching twice then kicking twice without ever completing a combo. The boss can’t ever get out of stunlock that way
Trust me, get some upgrades and it gets easier. If I remember right upper cut is nice and any unblockable combo makes it so much easier. I did a all hard mode because of that Buu saga rumor.
Bruh me too.
Buu saga got me try harding this game.
@@valla7644 There is no Buu saga in this game
@@LegendsForever206 that's the point.
The Buu rumor made me complete the game in hard mode.
I really don't know if you'll see this Doto, but if you collect enough of the capsules, it increases your total health and ki, depending on which ones you collected. Also, the red ones heal your hp
Damn bro you got hit by the doto bots, the true android saga haha
@@khaledm.1476 I'm getting mixed by the androids!
@@zeldafan6124 You're getting mixed by the aNdRoIdS.
P.S it's ridiculous seereax lost his voice for a while after that
@@khaledm.1476 They've been programmed to think they're the *real* DotoDoya's, they're down there scheming somewhere, but their real goal is to see you get scammed
I tried to reference that Android 13 movie (I think that's the right one), I dunno if it landed
@@xiaolin867 "You're just a slave, a pawn with no free will of its own is that it?
"Free will? Pitiful humans. Cryptocurrency, NFTs, Twitter blue, is that what you've done with your free will boy? _Don't you lecture me with your $30 haircut_ Goku gets scammed"
0:45 So even after "disabling friendly fire" you can STILL take damage from friendlies that fire at you. It seems they developers for this game didn't even understand what "friendly fire" actually means...
Wait..
4:15 - 4:17 Doto lost health when Nano punched him... They didn't actually APPLY the "no friendly fire", did they?
also can we talk about how the saibaman dodged the masenko at 0:44
I remember playing this with my bro in the ps2 days, and remembering that teleportation is essentially required to land supers later on since they'll sidestep like crazy.
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Bro that hard had me pulling my hair out hats off to you guys but definitely keep the series up!! And get that 100% play through because it helps
Please keep going! Maybe the original devs will see it and finally make the Buu Saga like younger me had hoped for all those years ago 😭
I'm probably one of the few people that actually likes this game. Would I say it's a great game? No, but plenty of good fun can be had with it, especially with friends. I also don't think this game's meant to be played on hard until you beat it once and have a bunch of upgrades. Is that an oversight? Yes, but I still like it.
I'm also willing to admit that I may be a little biased because my dad is also a DBZ fan so I grew up playing all the classic PS2 games. So I may have a special place in my heart for this game because it was a two player DBZ game I played with my dad as a kid.
I actually had a blast as a kid with this game. Me and my friend played the hell out of the game. Granted we didn’t do hard mode until we played the game thoroughly and understood everything. Fun game in my opinion
The hardest difficulty is made for new game+ so you can play Broly, Bardock, vegeta, etc, and the health bars actually make sense being that high bcs these caracters are op af
ssj4?
someone else mentioned there‘s no buu saga but there‘s ssj4?
@@peterenis3507 i think im remembering wrong then, its been a long time since i played this game
But the new game plus thing is true, i remember beating the game on easy to unlock characters and play as broly and trunks on the early levels
There's no Buu saga. No Ssj4
Broly is the strongest character in the game.
Might as well just call him One punch man in this game.
how are these types of old rumors still going around in 2022
@@XDarksoulX1129 if nobody actually clarifies that the rumors are false, people will keep thinking they're true
13:35 THIS GOT ME DYINGGGGGGGG!
“I’ve never been one to give up”
*Looks at the title*
Right Mr. Doya…
I honestly loved this game growing up my fav, tip for you guys (you DESPERATELY need it) buy the unlockable finishers
Not only could you break their guard, you also send any enemies around you flying this also works for the grab and roundhouse kicks
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No joke I actually was trying to find this game online. I remember playing this as a kid but could not beat raditz. And I could not remember the name of the game. Thank you so much for uploading this
The jump from Normal to Hard is *_RIDICULOUS!_* 🤣
One minute you're playing a DBZ game with friends, the next you are doing a Dark Souls SL 1 run. lmao
When you think about it, Sagas was the predecessor to DBZ Kakarot. They remade Sagas but made it 1000x better.
this game introduced me to dragon ball as a kid before I had ever seen the show or anything. So nostalgic seeing it again, I really enjoyed it back then.
100% this game isnt built to play hard mode with no upgrades, just like MGR:R revengence mode
I love dragon ball z saga, it’s what got me into dragon ball as a kid
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I actually loved this game as a child. However, back then I only played on easy mode LOL
I only played it with my brother and with all action replay cheats enabled.
we had a disc with all the hacks, then put the sagas disc in without resetting the ps2, so we played through with infinite health and ki.
of course, we then didn't realise that you could go super saiyan by ki charging because we never had to use that input...
can't blame you. haven't play the game myself but judging from this video, normal difficulty would probably hard enough for a kid
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@@magnumbreakz you'd be surprised at what a kid with nothing better to do is capable of in a game. Being older tends to make people a lot more cynical and quicker to give up cuz they got stuff to do lol. Like Doto and Nano would call this game trash at any and every minor inconvenience, but a kid just *_wouldn't_* care
Someone recently told me that this is their favorite Dragon Ball Z game, as in to this day, as in they’ve played every other game and have even replayed Sagas multiple times within the last 2 years.
1:53 looked like nano was kinda feeling that no cap
Glad you guys lowered the difficulty. This game is actually very fun! Can’t wait for the next part :)
No the fuck it isint dude
OMG THIS WAS MY CHILDHOOD, I spent MONTHS replaying this game
This was one of my first dragon ball z game and to this day it’s still one of my favorite game to play especially to play as future gohan with one arm
The rarest playable character in the dbz franchise
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10:42 that's a saibaman on a mission
Nano is that guy. Just built different. Throwing Masenko like they were hands, what a Beast Mode Gohan.
Irrelevant, but you know it's an old game when triangle is the back button
This was my favorite DBZ game outside of Budokai. I was sick it didn’t cover the Buu saga
We “turned off” friendly fire☠️☠️ deadass they still out here killing each other
If you think this is bad....imagine when you get to the final boss and you gotta wombo combo up to ssj2 just to beat perfect cell.... Oh and a fun fact! You can play as other characters through the various stages but.... And I did this with Broly... You cannot, repeat, cannot beat Perfect Cell with anything other than ssj2 teen Gohan, but they'll still let you get to the fight.
Excellent game design.
This was one of my favourites as a kid. Maybe I played easy mode 💀. Even in easy the final cell fight was build different
Never end your combos, boys.
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I had this game as a kid on PS2. We had no memory card. I use to play through this game all in a day and then do it again the next day.
This guy got some BUFFED Sibamen Deam
I bought this game back on ebay the other day for the original XBOX because of this series. I really have to say- It isn't THE WORST Dragon Ball Z game, but of course, I'm not above donning the nostalgia goggles from time to time, either. 🤓
Collecting 10 of either coloured capsule increases the capacity for that respective capsule, guys! Red capsules will fill your health bar, and-- I'm pretty sure you're still clapping each other with your ki blasts.. 😂
"We turned off Friendly Fire"
*watches their health lower everytime they get hit by each other's supers*
Also, you can grab Nappa if I remember correctly. Most of the enemies in these games. Are launchable and a grab is basically something that launches them I believe and has a little follow up.
i laughed when nappa set himself on fire and charge at them. man's basically senator armstrong
You can cheese this game by just starting but not finishing a combo over and over and you can stunlock every enemy in the game.
I remember fighting cell on hard as a kid quite literally made me cry
One thing I learned as a kid about this game is break everything that is breakable u won’t regret it
i loved this game back in the day!
"we have friendly fire off" -still takes damage- good ol DBZ Saga's lol
@dotodoya fake doto doya alert...alert
Doto: "There's no way I'm giving up"
The Video Title: "Am I a joke to you?"
Loved this game as a kid. Played through it so many times. Played it with my cousin, my friends etc. Lotta laughs were had with the shared screen.
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Oh God, Piccolo is being controlled by an Otaku journalist.
"And this time there's just no way I'm giving up"
*sees video title*
...Yeeeeaaaah about that Doto
This game got me into DBZ 😂😭
My man deadass said "lock on to strategically approach the Saibamen"
One exploit that you can do is never finish a combo as this keeps characters, especially bosses, in hit stun. So, you hit square 4 times then triangle 4 times and repeat over and over until they die
This is the only classic dragon ball game I've never completed because I kept clipping through the ground and falling into infinity, was a really trippy look too with the repeated images of the player and attacks slowly engulfing the screen while whatever enemy at the time gets pulled down with me and tries to get me but can't.
That happened to me in the recoome fight. Was trippy af
Doto: I never give up on a challenge
Me: What about the Pokémon Nuzlock...
You can in fact grab Nappa or pretty much any NPC in this game and throw them it is one of my favorite things to do against regular enemies. Though i would not recommend on hard they do WAY more damage than the normal difficulty and it locks you in place which is not so good uppercut and roundhouse are fine, but i think it would be better for you both to use the turbo ki charge which you have, combo breaker because if you do ever get to the late game fight the NPCs will combo you to death, and being able to break out of it is very useful.
Also the AI will combo break your combos in the late game as well which is why i recommend grab because the AI cannot combo break it and it does ok damage. Teleport is also amazing especially in conjunction with Turbo Ki Charge because you can teleport on top of the NPCs as long as you are locked on and blast them point blank. On a side note you can also get the Air recovery so you can stay in the air and not get knocked down and have to wait to slowly get back up. However it might get you stunlocked if the NPC decides to spam ki blasts or melee attacks.
Also a fun combo you can do well as fun as it gets in Sagas is grab into a teleporting signature skill so kamehameha or special beam cannon ecetera because of the AI doesn't air recover you can hit them while they are on the ground which means they cannot block the attack either so you do as much damage as possible.
Hope this helps Doto and company to some what make this experience tolerable :)
I have nostalgia of playing this with my friends… good video.
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Yo the Sonic unleashed combat music is just perfect 😂 for the chaos
20:59 Gohan looking like Goob from Meet the Robinson
16:09 Nappa is gripping Nano's balls as he says that
Fun Fact: Nano’s and Doto’s first Dragon Ball movie was the Return of Cooler
Man this game was tough to beat though the satisfaction of beating it was amazing and then realizing there was no Buu saga really took a huge chunk out of the enjoyment.
Tho unlocking the costumes and playing as Bardock was really fun.
You know I remeber this game and I loved it as a kid. Bro had no idea they mispelled imposible with hard mode.
It's funny that we grew up playing this instead of Tenkaichi or Budokai, and we had a blast playing this shit, especially when friendly fire is on.
I use to play this game as kid with my older brother on the game cube it was so fun
It's the fact that Doto deadass says "nuculear" instead of "nuclear" for me.
This game's underrated, I can't believe you guys talk so much trash on this game, it's so good!
Definitely need that “unblockable finisher” upgrade man
I played this game on hard mode as a kid with my brother and never once made it past nappa
No appreciation for hard mode accurately simulating the dire situation the Z-Fighters were in against those Saibamen in the anime smh
I swear to the Lord masahiro, that if I hear them talk about the most emotional backstory to their friendship feature META-COOLER. I'll lose my ish
Me and my brother made it to future trunks so far its actually a really good game btw combos are one of the best things to use
Surprisingly no one tell them to buy teleport basically the most important thing you need.
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I used to play this game on the GameCube, and I hated it. Made my cousin stay up all night to 100% it.
Nappa going super saiyan on ya.
Nano sounds like a higher pitch but more chill version of Deion
You guys need to do 2 series on each Channel with this game, ON NORMAL MODE, I wanna see you guys unlock brolly hahaha
I remember beating this on my gamecube. Use to play it all the time
Hard Mode is made for New Game +, so you guys were never going to beat it lmao still, glad to see you guys playing this again, the game sucks but watching this is tons of fun
NO!
THE DOTO I KNOW WOULD NEVER GIVE UP ON ANY CHALLENGE, NO MATTER WHAT THE DIFFICULTY!
AND EVEN WHEN YOU LOSE, YOU ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO GET BACK UP AND BEAT THEIR ASS (not sus)
I don't understand the hate for this game, I played it with friends as a kid and sure it controlled like ass but once you figure things out, you can do some crazy stuff. Round house kick, teleport before they land, uppercut into the air, charge your ki attack, teleport to them mid air and blasting them felt so good, and I haven't found a dbz game yet that gave me the feeling of pulling off that combo
If your going through all the old dragonball games I hope you do b2 or ragingblast 2 good luck finishing sagas!
Can’t wait for someone to say . “This is the dark souls of dragon ball games”
DBZ kakarot needs this co op.
I used to like this game, not sure if it’s nostalgia but I feel like it can be fun on like not the hardest difficulty. Like back 4 blood, I couldn’t beat it on the hardest mode because I’m bad, but I had fun on easy with my friends
Doto: Are we just bad at the game??😐😐😐
Nano: Bro, Idk Doto... 😑😑😑
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Holy hell. I remember this game! Barely played it myself, but my cousin played the hell out of it on the Xbox back in the day. I remember it being more fun if a tad repetitive and grindy, though the Budokai and Budokai Tenkaichi games were much better.
Boss fights are pretty easy actually, just never finish a combo, like you do square x4 then pause for a bit and then triangle x4, why ? Because the last hit of a combo will launch the ennemy while here they'll most of the time stay in front of you so they'll either block or stare at you if you time it right.
"We took off friendly fire."
And that was a lie.
When Nano curses, we all feel that