The MOST Hated Commanders of All Time: 2024 Update | Salt Score
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
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Most Hated Commanders 2024:
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Old Gnawbone,
Silver Hivelord,
Najeela, the Blade-Blossom,
Winota, Joiner of Forces
Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer
Chulane, Teller of Tales
Linavala, Keeper of Silence
Etali, Primal Conqueror
Etali, Primal Sickness
Maha, Its Feathers Night
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Gaddock Teeg
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Atraxa, Grand Unifier
*The Ur-Dragon*
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Emrakul, the World Anew
The First Silver
Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm
Jodah, the Unifier
Korvold, Fae-Cursed King
Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy
Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
Koma, Cosmos Serpent
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Vorniclex, Monstrous Raider
Ulamog, the Defiler
Atraxa, Praetors' Voice
*Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow*
Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines
Narset, Enlightened Master
*Sen Triplets*
*Edgar Markov*
Urza, Lord High Artificer
Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant
Toxrill, the Corrosive
Emarkul, the Promised End
Sheoldred, the Apocalypse
Hokori, Dust Drinker
*Grand Arbiter Augustin IV*
Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
Tergrid, God of Fright
Vorniclex, Voice of Hunger
Nadu, Winged Wisdom
yikes thats a lot of guys that i run which i guess speaks volumes about the kind of decks i like
@@pyroshadow33 you run all of them as commander or in the 99?
Wow, my first and still best-beloved EDH deck was a Vorinclex, Monstrrous Raider +1/+1 w/ Superfriends deck.
I run Elesh Norn, MoM, but only in the 99 of my Lathiel lifegain/+1/+1 hybrid (which includes Vorinclex there, as well.)
I’ve tried Old Gnawbone as the head of a Green Good Stuff deck, but found Selvala, HoW did the job better.
I pulled an Ulamog the Defiler, but other than putting him in the 99 of my Vorinclex deck a few times….
Same goes for Kozilek, Butcher of Truth getting a slot in my Green 99s.
My Karametra, God of Harvests Angel/Humans deck uses Avacyn, as does my Arwen, Mortal Queen 99.
Otherwise, haven’t played any of these cards.
Edgar Markov would be fun if I had the card pool, I think.
Some of these are valid, but you’re being a baby with a lot of them lmao
I had a Toxrill deck. I kind of had to because the gaming gods gave me 3 in two weeks of drafting VOW. Literally pack one, pick one two weeks in a row, and then I also got one out of a pity pack the first week.
Jhoira not in there tells me my deck isn’t as much of a problem as my playgroup wants me to believe
I mean are you the kind of player to tell them your jhoira deck is “only a 7” while having every tutor and mox in it?
@@youkirosewarne1516 nope, it’s all permanents, sitting at around 200$/150€ (at least Moxfield says so). Only tutors are Inventor‘s Fair and Moonsilver Key, only fast mana is Sol Ring (and Ashnod‘s Altar/Krark-Clan Ironworks, if they even count as fast mana)
Jhoira is based
I feel the same with my yidris deck
It's because your deck is solitaire withough a guaranteed win. My buddy has one and it was fine but I also only played my combo solitaire deck against it aswell. Every turn took over 10 minutes. He had 3 win cons a storm grapeshot, aetherflux reservoir and a storm bounce permanent. Only 2 of those actually won the game the other one just forced you to scoop because you had to start over on turn 1
You: *does something to progress the game*
Commander Players: That makes me salty!!! RAAAAARghh
you're not allowed to touch my value pile that I've missed three triggers on, I'm just a little guy!
I use Jodah the Unifier for my planeswalker deck. With the oath of enchantments and planeswalker related artifacts that are legendary, you cascade so much.
And now WotC will never Ban anything ever again. Just move it to Bracket 4.
Which is effectively a ban. That is the funniest part about that whole situation. Players raged about bans and for the RC to be removed.
WotC takes over and uses MTG grade word gymnastics to create a ban "list" but in tiers. 😂😂
The most frustrating part is most of the folks complaining would have quit playing within the next two years anyways.
@@k.m.2874 Oh, agreed. Though at least in my area the Brackets aren’t going to be a big deal, because it’s always either Precons or “As strong and consistent as you can make it, without being cEDH. (Basically just excluding the more egregious cEDH Commanders, and people not pursuing that strong/consistent ideal to a uniform standard.)
Putting a card in Bracket 4 around here will be treated as a purchase/trade-for suggestion.
I’m not even a little optimistic about WotC’s administration of the format.
Atraxa, while she doesn’t say it, it has been said that you can also get Kindred cards. So you could theoretically get 9/10 cards in each stack
Even if it's not specified in that reminder text? I only ask because they specifically list each card type that's counted toward the ability with no inclination of the potential for others.
@naggaibey7727 I'm inclined to allow Kindred, since the wording of the reminder text is as such: "... and sorcery are card types."
Excluding 'the' from the end of the sentence leaves it open to including other card types, and Kindred functions in the type category per Tarmogoyf.
Correct. @@naggaibey7727 it would also work for any future card types that are made.
You can check what counts as a "card type" by checking the official rules, but my guess is they didn't have the space to put Kindred, and it typically wont be a relevant card type outside of EDH (most of the time)
None of the bans affected Kinnan haha hence it's now even better with the rest of the meta drawn back on fast mana
I thought Kindred was a super type, like legendary, so it wouldn't count
I’ve had Kinnan built since Ikoria and I can say that I understand why its saltscore went up. He’s super powerful, the deck is very very powerful and I don’t think I’ve had a game where I played him and people weren’t salty. Intruder alarm + mana dorks give you repeatable flips, pimins aura helps to get you infinite mana. Fuckin LOOOOVE Kinnan one of ky favorites of all time but really only playable in a higher power setting which most casual games are not. Even powered down he’s Uber strong
I'm going to keep committing war crimes with my bant Galadriel until she makes one of these lists in the top 20.
not me using this as a shopping list >:)
Same lol😂
It would be great to have time stamps for longer videos
Everytime another one of these lists comes out and I don't see Kaalia i feel a little bit better about how she absolutely demolishes my playgroup every time I play her lol
Literally came here to see if others felt similarly. When she comes out, the table has learned to plot together for her doom. Her + Gisela + Bloodthirster + Sower of Discord will permanently delete a portion of someone’s soul.
Urza prolly dropped 6 because of the Jeweled Lotus/Mana Crypt ban making it exponentially harder to get the turn 1 Urza
Fun fact ... just having an Ulamog Variant commander often gets the same reastion then the real Ulamog xD..
I use the "copy eldrazi spell for 2" one for fun stuff.
There's not even an ulamog or any of the big eldrazis in my deck... its just about makeing tokens and having a large board with large bodys with extra effects.
People still just surrender in online fights and i am only rarely "alloweed" to play it on FNM xD.
Would love to see a top 100 most rule zeroed commanders
Hah! Narset, Enlightened Exile deck not even on the list. The cheek clapping continues!
Lmaooooo, my Narset, Enlightened Exile deck is actually called "Cheek Slapper" on Arena
Sliver Overlord is the best sliver commander
Agreed. I run Queen, Legion, First and Hivelord with Moraphon in the 99. Don't play it much though. My mana base is quite good, can "clunk" at times. Thinking of putting in, as I own, Thassas oracle and tainted pact in for cEDH only.
Just realized that Najeela's effects are symmetrical so in theory you can make deals with her.
i think ulamog the ceaseless hunger is higher than the anihilator eldrazi titans, is because it sees a lot of more play under the justification of it being weaker than the aniilating ones, and the uncounterable double exile always hit hard, more with everything this card come from
Also 20 cards or of the deck is objectively stronger than sacrificing 4 permanents. Someone can have cards on board after sacrificing 16 cards, but it's very rare for Commander players to have a library after exiling 80.
I often ask myself what was in Wotc Mind as they designed Eldrazis....oh this is a really OP mechanic ... lets give them at least three of those and make them even heavier than normal....Cascade? hey take 3 Cascades. Annhilialtor 1? Why not 7? Enemy must put his library into the graveyard ? Nah he must exile them.
My guess is the Cthulu effect. These primordial beings have existed since before time and cause people to go insane just looking at them. Therefore, they should be mind-breakingly powerful.
I’m always excited to see what commanders are on this list I should build next. Looks like Toxrill Stax is my next EVIL deck😈🖤👍🏼👍🏼💯
Felt 👹
I’m confident way more people are playing cedh in addition to casual and that explains Kinnan
Good thing all of my ulamog cards are in the 99 of my 5 color ulalek deck, i can breathe a sigh of relief
Jin-Gitaxias is annoying but a Reliquary Tower or a Thought Vessel completely negates his effect.
No need to play after
Not true. All depends on which one entered the battlefield first.
You are wrong. Reliquary Tower and Thought Vessel gives you no maximum hand size. Even if you play Jin-Gitaxias last, now you have infinite - 7 hand size, which is still infinite
@@brunopezzi671 bro dosent know how replacement effects work
@@christopherrue1773that would be true for cards that set your max hand size. He only says it’s whatever your max is -7. So no max -7 is still no max.
I fought Winota decks. That commander needs to be higher on this list because the amount of legendary humans she can cheat on the field is absurd
Phyrexian Praetors & Eldrazi Titans: Some of the Saltiest cards out there
Wizards of the Coast: "You know what people really want? More Praetors & Titans!"
Had someone use sheoldred, the apocalypse in a 6 player game right at the start suffice to say eldrazi can ramp really hard when they need to, task master and a copy put an end to that pretty hard leaving clean up very straight forward
Everyone had like 10 life left as their deck were built around card draw or life usage, myriad can be quite useful in a pinch
My response to Elesh Norn, MOM is I ask before the game starts if it’s okay to play because I know if someone is playing a mono green or blink deck. They just don’t get to play
Respectable but weak. Players should get punished for playing mono green. lol
@@k.m.2874but I play mono green. I have 7 mono green decks.
@@Ultimoe1 I too play mono green. 😂😂😂😂 I only have two mono green decks tho. I run a Legacy elf tribal and a Modern Sap/Stompy. Anytime I run into a hard anti-green deck I just knuckle down and accept it is what I get for playing an exponentially rampy deck. Personally, as almost a 25 year player I never get frustrated or mad over being slapped down by something like a Norn deck. I take it as a challenge, adjust my deck/playstyle and shuffle up.
@@k.m.2874 I guess my modern is technically mono green. It’s Eldrazi Tron. Sorta. Whatever Tron was 2 years ago
@@Ultimoe1 Norn and Eldrazi. You're the type of player that made me build a Boros burn deck. 😂😂😂
Salt and magic players name a more iconic duo
Great video! :)
Could you please do a video about the top 10 commanders to win against tribal decks please? My regular pod uses this kind of decks and they always overwhelm me with millions of creature tokens!
Just bought most of these cards not too long ago building two commander decks. Yeah, I'm fun at parties.
I'm surprised that Ob Nixilis, Captive Kingpin isn't on this list. I have a deck built around him as the commander and have players who refuse to play against it. One guy lost his mind while I was taking my last turn in a game I won. He told me, "You just stumbled into that win," when all I did was run the deck the way I built it. All this happened after I used Sundial of the Infinite to flush the stack against a white counter spell that same opponent tried to play against me when I cast All Will Be One (which is half of the two card infinite combo I usually win with).
Hi you forgot eris Roar of the storm, you can kill 10 times and costs 10, but It costs 2 less for every different mana cost betwwen sorceries and istant in graveyard, and create a 4/4 dragons prowess Flying at second general spell in EACH TURN
The lack of sliver overlord tells me that people have not survived to pass on the proper nightmare that is slivers ;)
I put mirror box into my Eldrazi deck and pulled off the emrakrul echos of eternity and ulalek combo, in a 4 player game, so took all their boards 😂
As of writing this, I have only 2 of these commanders with full decks. Also, hi Neo!
Tom bombadil. You have to watch them read a novel every...single...turn...
When I see him I know it's going to be long turns that no one else understands at all.
Tom Bombadil exists to let players roleplay as Tom Bombadil, talking people's ear off, wasting their time and such.
Which is why I have a Tom Bombadil deck.
Worst deck. When I see this in arena if I can’t kill them in a few turns I just concede. It’s takes forever and I could be having fun somewhere else
Bombadil is my favorite Commander. If the player really knows the Sagas in their deck and actually knows the rules about how lore counters work, then the turns don’t have to be too long.
My son plays it, it is fun to watch "go off"
Wait miirym in the thumbnail!
Leave my girl alone 😭
She not that bad to me, seen it do much on arena, if you got some counter play or removal they’re usually cooked
Miirym is fine. Every time I farewell I send her to the stone age
Mirrym is awesome in my Ur-Dragon deck.
Nadu is banned of commander no?
Yeah, he got hit with Crypt and Jeweled Lotus.
@@blueredlover1060 And dockside, which was the only one I ran in my bestest deck
To be honest, I'd play against any of these. Think it might just be ppl getting saltier with each day.
Too many babies, half of these cards are not even that bad they are just good cards and I guess a lot of people don't like good cards.
@@Yangblaze11or maybe people are tired of playing against $1000 commander decks, you stupid piece of shit
Im suprised mahadi isnt on here. Its just a boardwipe deck running 13+ boardwipes and a bunch of large removal. Plus all the treasure tokens lead to long turns
I wonder where, Caesar, Leion’s Emperor is on that scale because soon as I play mine I become the only target on the field… even the Eldrazi player is scared of me, lol.
These are really good Commanders. I have never seen some of these cards. Thank you for the video.
I really try to avoid commanders like that now to avoid getting to much attention to myself. The only one i have that I know when I play this I'm the target is Etali primal sickness because i really really like his game plan but i don't play him at most tables. All the other decks have commanders that are not on the list.
I really don't understand why people hate sen triplets so much though. Honestly I find the commander particularly weak. It's a lightning rod for removal and everything colour can kill it because it's an artifact and a creature. I'm never scared of that commander just because I can always get rid of it quickly
None ofo the commanders I use are on this list (They're all from Precons), but there's a few on this list I was planning to build like Kinnand and Koma. I'll work first on builfing my Riku of Many Paths and Baylen decks first.
Also lmao why is Nadu here
Riku of Many Paths is awesome! I love my Riku deck
I really like riku aswell
Nadu and Shuko can go through the entire deck in one turn by turn 4.
@ThatOneWeirdFlex I know. It just that this video came after Nadu got (finality) banned
i didnt see locust god in their salt list. so does that mean i can play him again.
Kinin is one of the top CEDH commanders right now
With Kinnan, maybe CEDH is getting more popular.
Some of the pushed cards topping the list.
Watching this, all I can think of is a game of commander with you would be really unfun.
Wayfarer's bauble be like, yo leave me out of this vid.
How memnarch isn't on this list is beyond me
Love my Chulane deck.
So in essence, Vorinclex still is #1 considering Nadu was banned.
Maha is hilarious in my Doran treefolk deck 😆
Some of these get way, way more salt than they deserve.
Thank you not putting Bruvac on here so I can play everytime and no one will think it's salty. 😊😊😊
if only they had placed the quotation marks a little better, Nadu would have been fine.
Not one of my past or current commanders are on this list, but I assure you, I'm salty
Honestly played against tergrid yesterday with eluge and wasnt all too bad lol
im shocked linvalla is this high. drana and linvalla do the same thing, but a little bit more. plus you get other's abilities yk. very strange.
I'm surprised Zur didn't make the list
Helga is the new Chulane.
I love my Avacyn Angel of Hope deck, and nobody ever wants to play against it lol. It's board wipe tribal, and uses several repeatable ones like Nev's disk
well i mean board wipe tribal is just disgraceful of course nobody wants to play against it, leads to boring, drawn out and not very fun games
@@brody.b4 I respect everyone's time by not pulling the deck out unless the table asks for it. I do agree it slows everyone else down, but it's actually really good at actually closing out the game so it delivers interesting games. You get locked out and then you die, with most of the game spent with the table trying to stop me from locking them out for most of the game, and then I come online and wreck the board. You'd be surprised at how many people actually do want to play against that deck, it's brutal but I don't run any dedicated mld so people see it as a challenge to see how their deck holds up to hyper removal. It does have an absurdly high win rate though, so I don't often do more than mention if I brought it.
There's a handful of Legendary's that are no surprise to being on the list for 24.
The Ur Dragon
Johoden the unifier
Cheu Laine teller of tales
I may have butchered the spelling nut those too humans are ridiculous with Dragons and various other big ass creatures in MTG history.
Hey I'm really wanting to build a eldrazi cedh deck never played eldrazi before does anyone have any recommendations on what commander to play?
No shade intended but I don't think you'll be playing "cEDH" if you're seeking advice about eldrazi commanders in the comment section of a video that's about people being being salty that an 8 color monowhite commander is indestructible. (e.g. being a bit silly.)
You'll MAYBE be playiyng "high powered" commander and only if you drop like a thousand bucks minimum on the deck or play a bunch of proxies.
cEDH is about free counterspells, fast mana (when it's not banned) and two card combos that win the game. Have fun trying to slap down even one eldrazi before turn 3 and getting to attack with it to MAYBE take one player out of the game.
@@paulszki I get what you mean but what I mean by cedh is a high powered deck I've got a few like really cheap $100-150 decks but want to put some money and time into it if you have any suggestions
@@HarveyJones-t8c I think there's about three flavors in my opinion:
1. Play one of the eldrazi as your actual commander and now your deck is completely colorless. You can't get play any colored spells (even if they have devoid, because their commander identity is still whatever mana-symbols it has). All your ramp must have a colorless commander identity. Same for removal/boadwipes etc. If you want this "high powered" it's likely going to cost a ton of money because there are way less competitively costed cards for certain effects in colorless so anything that's good and colorless will be pricey (e.g. All is Dust). Do this only if you are in love with exactly one eldrazi and want to see him every game. Otherwise why play colorless and restrict yourself.
2. Play one of the two MH3 Eldrazi commanders, who have a 5 color identity. Now you have access to all colors but you're likely going to build around your eldrazi commander's ability anyway. Either of these commanders concentrate more on lower casting cost (relatively speaking) and are very specific.
Azlak can be extremely strong if you build around him but he might not actually feel very "eldrazi" because he only cares about eldrazi scions and eldrazi spawns and wants to go wide rather than tall.
Ulalek wants to copy stuff and here you still need to cast relatively cheap eldrazi because to be able to copy them, you need another 2 extra mana. Also Ulalek is INCREDIBLY tough to play well. You seriously need to learn how to use and abuse the stack for your copying-shenanigans.
3. Play a non-eldrazi commander that somehow ramps you or otherwise is generally useful while opening up at least green as a color for you. I'd personally chose option because 1. most likely it's the cheapest way to go about it 2. I'm not bound to the two mh3 commanders and 3. I'll have access powerful colored cards for whatever I have in mind with the deck-
In addition to green you probably also want red because red does two things. 1. it sometimes lets you cheat big stuff into play (sneak attack, into the breach) and it generally is really good at granting haste because running Lightning Greaves and Swiftfood boots won't be enough. You don't want to tap out to cast some big eldrazi only to have to wait a turn to attack with it.
"Meria, Scholar of Antiquity" could be decent. She is cheap, low to the ground and any artifacts you play are also ramp, but she also comes with draw. So besides just regular green ramp (nature's lore, three visits, crop rotation into ancient tomb etc.) you'll want to play really good, cheap artifacts, mostly really good equipment as those cards don't care if you tap them and they can often pay for their own equip cost (e.g. skullclamp, shadowspear, basilisk collar, but also strong non-equipment artifacts like expedition map, relic of progenitus, haywire mite etc.).
Haste granting lands like "Arena of Glory" seem like a must.
“I don’t like eminence because you get things for nothing”…..was mad 2 cost zero cards were banned…..
I'm suprised the beamtown bullies didn't make it on the list.
I used to have a really high power BB deck but the core of the deck is so specialized to that commander that I don't think many people care to invest a lot to even make one? That or the game becomes archenemy or something. Though in my experience, BB was more of a nuclear deterrent for players who ran snowball-y decks
If Sheoldred not on there Im done with these ppl😂
Is it salt, as in salt in the wound, or just people becoming man-babies and crying (tears being salty)?
listening to mitch complain about salt has got to be on my most annoying sounds list
I Call it tergrid is on top
I love how your approach to card assessment is just, "this is too powerful and should never exist" completely ignoring every other format
The video title is, "The MOST Hated Commanders...".
ofc they're going to ignore all other formats. 🙄
Toxrill group hug yay 🎊
Unban golos
You talk way too fast. It is almost impossible to understand what you are saying.
Glad the lazy RC got their butts fired. These top salties should have banned a long time ago.
first (:
Woohoo,one of the first 😊
Anyway, before I watch this vid my vote is tergid is best to play,worst to play against
Kinnan is by far the most oppressive commander bc it can win by turn 3 and it just goes
Isn't the CMC of a room the combined CMC of both halves?