Peter Abbott handling has nothing - or very little to do with - price. Had it not been the SL, but a similarly priced (and ancient) Nikon D200, the D200 would have similarly faired.
@@FauxtakuLounge No, but it does have a lot to do with whether or not the lenses have laser-engraved numbers or not. As to the "custom fonts" comment, that’s just far too esoteric to even comment on. Re the Leica being heavier and thus engendering the feeling in many of being better quality-this is nothing more than a clever trick. In reality, magnesium is 33% lighter than aluminum, 60% lighter than titanium, and 75% lighter than steel. Yet for many applications-including camera manufacturing-it's stronger per unit volume than all three of those structural metals, while also being more cost effective.
I like the usability reviews. It's better than standard talking heads out there. Thanks. I am also looking into the Leica Sl... I was disappointed with where the Fuji line is going and I want to be able to have a more photography oriented camera with an option of using leica manual focus lenses as well as AF....
I think Leica hit a near higher water mark with the SL. Panasonic's S1 is also amazing, though perhaps not quite as useable in the extreme cold because of its many buttons. But when I handled it, I found it brilliant.
Good video...I'm not sure someone has already stated but the reason you hear the "rattle" in the Fuji is the image stablization, which eats battery. You're rattling the floating lens element and you're rattling the stabilized sensor...fyi...don't rattle the camera if you can help it. I use my SL in DNG but jpg mono mode so the viewfinder and playback is in monochrome and I can just concentrate on the scene and composition. I use M lenses on my SL the focus peaking can be seen better in mono mode in the viewfinder.
I’ve just bought an SL which now costs the same second hand as a Fuji new, so I’m on my way from Fuji, however, the Fuji X-H1 shutter button can be recalibrated by Fuji, so worth sending it off for a service and recalibration to the firm shutter button
I purchased the XH-1 because I couldn't afford the Leica SL1 and I have no regrets about the purchase because I really enjoy a number of features of the Fuji.... But WHEN I get the money, I will definitely buy the SL1 regardless of what new SL models are released in the future.
To me the best feature on the SL are its function buttons, which are all providing double functions, short push for one and push and hold for a second and you get the second one. Awesome.... And not many reviews ate mentioning this...
Hi Nathan and thanks a lot for the video! 5:38 Yep, the shutter release button is very "touchy" and requires some practicing to get used to its sensitivity. There is an option, though, of reassigning the auto-focus to the back-button (AF-ON or AE-L). Cheers!
I use AF-ON from the back almost exclusively since D200 days. The problem still is that Fuji's shutter release button takes exposure and is way too touchy. AF-ON or not, you'll take lots of exposures you didn't intend to take.
The noise is in the H1 is the IBIS mechanism ----- so that is a feature. I think that if you used the Fuji for a few weeks you would become more coordinated with the shutter mechanism, which is designed to minimized the vibration. I have had my H1 for a week and find that the half press is quite easy to get use to. It is unfortunate that Leica does not have the financial resources to make the SL up to date in terms of the functionality of the camera. A rock would have solid build camera but that does not make a rock a good camera. I sold all of my Leica and Canon equipment to move to Fuji - and I am so glad I did. Leica is simply obsolete.
The SL is from 2015 so the tech gap (if there is one) is explained pretty well by what I assume to be intervening years. The Leica lens has OS inside and it doesn't clunks as much. The system is just made far far far better. Which, again, is a shame as Leica can't support the camera through accessories or service nearly as well. I assume the next generation of SL will be at least on par, as the SL was about as advanced a camera as existed in 2015. The point about build quality is that everyone touts build quality as if metal described it. And it does not. Everything from weather sealing to body solidity are worlds apart. And then, there is the attention to detail which Leica put into the SL, which obviously Fujifilm did not put into the X series and probably will not or can not. Even Sony's expensive A9 eschews attention to haptic, UI, and basic hardware feedback for compactness and basic bristling with buttons. It's a shame. I want the SL but supported as well with accessories and support. If Fujifilm could build the SL, I assume it would cost at least 4.000$, but I don't think they are capable of saying no to things they should say no to. I think Leica are not obsolete, they are unfortunately not positioned well in this market. Their tech is amazing. Their handling and build are about as good as it gets in the mirrorless world. And then there is everything else, which is simply incompatible to a company their size and market penetration.
Good observations. But the only reason to buy an SL is to have a very solid rock. It is obsolete and three times as expensive. That is why I switched from Leica to Fuji.
I guess I need to question the term you've now repeated. What does obsolete mean to you? I can't think of a single metric apart from AF-C in which the SL is obsolete, and even then, there are a number of instances where it nails AF-C better than the X-H1.
thomas Shea lol what leica did you have? SL, M , S, Q? And what fuji do you use now? I use them both and they have different purpose, to say leica obsolete is ridiculous. I guess earlier you use M8 or M9 and then compare it to fuji xt2, which is not comparable
true, but man you get what's you pay for, lecia is not for the majority. I get your point and you are right but it's so expensive, I mean the glass is perfectly expensive. Fuji as you said is probably the best in the market today for their build against Sony or other mirrorless camera. but hey you can't get it all in one camera :)
B B thanks for the comment. I’m certain that if Fuji made a camera as solid and well finished and designed it would come very close to the Leica in price. It would have better AFC though! As far as build goes, I think Fuji have a lot to fix, but their sealing is better than Sony.
Fauxtaku Lounge yeah you are right, Im looking for a video mirrorless and wanted the Fuji to be perfect in AF in video, but till now no good news for good vlogging autofocus video, at least not as good as Sony which I'm not favoring it, but will wait to see if they improved it before my next trip. I'm also not expert in video stuff but want something reliable for video. thank you brother for this video
Were I to find an extra ten grand in my sock drawer, I might be tempted to buy this gorgeous camera and that fab lens. I own the Fuji XH 1. I have two complaints: In auto ISO(3200), it defaults to a very high ISO in low light(my Nikon handles auto ISO much better); the battery life is abysmal. Watched the entire video. Most enjoyable. PS. I never shoot with gloves. I thought that Canadians were a hearty bunch.
I will as iam literally ready to buy either the sl or a nikon d850. The flash support and service is what is giving me cause for concern as i love broncolor and profoto
Like I said, I'm not a pro here, so it takes a while. If all goes well, Friday. If not, Monday. If I wake up with an axe in my chest, the following Friday.
Thank's for this very instructive video. Leica cameras are build like a tank. But SL cost 3 times more than XH1, without IBIS. You can't ask Fuji to give as much as Leica for a third of the price. Each brand has its strength and weakness. Leica will showcase its new SL in a few month. I look forward to seeing the changes.
I think we'll see the SL MKII in a year, if not more. There are a few key areas I wish Leica would address in the next hardware, all of which I will address in a blog post which I hope Leica Rumours will publish for me. I doubt I will cover them in this channel, but who knows. As for cost, the X-H1 is Fuji's most expensive all-round camera and everything from build to focus performance is being directly compared to cameras both in its price range and way higher, even to Canon 1D series, so I don't consider price parity a problem. That, and as I said in the video, a D200 has as good a grip as the SL. Making a good interface is much harder and more expensive than making a bad interface (which can easily be thrown together), but it doesn't have to conclude in an expensive camera. Nikon's D200 cost the same as the the X-H1 and was not only made better, but had better ergonomics and basic controls for all weather.
I'm hoping to focus on this sort of thing: handling/ergonomics/haptics, as I'm not a scientist, nor am I capable of delivering detailed reviews as per usual. Awkward but detail-oriented, and a slave to good design as defined by utility rather than looks.
Hello Andy. I've shot most of it, but had delays, including a week-long business trip and my daughter catching a cold, which kept both me and mum from work. I'm sorry for the delay.
Grado GH-2 Japan Limited Edition Cocobolo with custom earpads that retain the Grado soundfield immediacy but which warm up the sound a bit like a HD600. Lovely.
Good video. You point out important things, Tnx Iam glad they made the XH1 body (grip)bigger, but still those controls r no good i think - control wheels r not grippy enough - joystick feels like y r pressing a pencil point all the time - generally still the buttons r way to small and bad placement (AFon to close to AEF)
Sir Macalot thank you for the considerate response. Again, it is my strong opinion that Leica nailed the ergonomic and haptic interface is the camera as well as nearly nailed the body shape. They lack autofocus tweaks that would make it as good physically as it can’t be. Service and professional support are other issues.
Doing this review based on whether your wearing gloves or not is not a fair comparison, and as the Leica costs twice as much I know what my choice would be. I live in Canada and I have gloves that can expose my fingers for the purpose of detail adjustments.
Peter Symes you’ll note that at the end I implored other companies to make a body like the Leica. I’m saying that anyone has to buy the Leica. The leica is far better designed. If a Japanese company wanted to put in the time and effort to actually designs reliable all weather design they could. The X-H1 is not reliable because it’s controls are fiddly, even through bicycle gloves. Be my guest to buy ginger exposing gloves but that is a solution to tackle problems of bad design that the manufacturers make.
Peter Symes you’ll also note that I point out problems in basic exposure speed adjustment that are endemic to the X system as a whole and that work the same whether you have gloves on or not.
Peter Symes furthermore, I will put the SL against the GFX and the same conclusions are meet. It is a poor design. The GFX however has more space around certain buttons and for other buttons Bette placement as well as larger buttons. The X-H1 is cramped, has small buttons, puts many in hard to reach places and/or makes them hard to press. The battery and all access doors are cheap. Again, even against a D200, which costs the same, the X-H1 comes out poorly on an ergonomic and reliability of interface metric. It isn’t unfair to compare a good interface VS one that needs serious rethink.
I agree that the Leica is a far cleaner and simpler design, but all of the Japanese camera designs have many buttons. I have been a Nikon shooter for over 40 years and the past year changed to Fuji because of weight. I have found both the XPro2, & XT2 to be excellent cameras again at less than half the price of a Leica. Point being is that I would love to own a BMW, but I can only afford a Hyundai and I love my Hyundai.
Thank you for clarification. Again, this isn't about price. The only reason price is of any consequence here is because disparity exists. Yes, the SL is heavier, and so are modern dSLRs, though it really depends. The X-H1 is heavier than a number of dSLRs and close to many in the critical medium-quality genre the D500 occupies. The point isn't price. The point is that the Leica is better designed for all weather. Fujifilm could have focused on that. Instead, it is my strong opinion that they haven't designers that work on form following function, rather they have designers appealing to 'tradition'- which isn't bad in and of itself. The 'traditional' and 'direct' controls the Fujifilm employs are all fly by wire, and in many cases do not do what they say they do, or do not do so reliably, or ergonomically. It is bad design. It needs to be acknowledged that I own and have owned Fuji products since 2013. I mention that I film this video on the GFX and that the X-H1 is mine. I purchased it and have reasons for it. I'm not some troll. I'm a long-time owner, but before I'm a fan I'm a critic. And I think the Fuji world is almost completely devoid of critics. Perhaps refugees from Canon and Nikon that have grievances. I do not own either one. I'm a Fuji and Leica guy. That's it. And there are many things I love about the X series. But interface and basic handling are not two of them, and the issues therein NEED to be addressed rather than rolled over in apologetic terms.
This is just a handling comparison. However poorly designed it is in conveying differences between the two cameras, it is about handling and nothing else. I hope to do a final comparison as I hinted at in this video and the one later, showing AF differences and file quality. JPEGs between the two favour the X-H1 by a good margin, but RAWs far and away favour the SL, whether Lightroom or XTransformer or other. The difference between the SL and GFX in studio lighting and file malleability are minimal, but the X-H1 is so far and away from either, it really is used in a pinch or when I need deep DOF.
I neither have the Sl nor the H1, but I do have an Xt2 and a Q... honestly it’s hard to me to understand the comparison. The Q is way above the Fuji, albeit at a very different price point and I am sure it is the same with the SL.
The Fujifilm narrative always has been: why pay more for Leica (trash) when Fujifilm is better in almost all conceivable ways for much less money. Leica is more expensive to be sure. But if Fujifilm designed as well and built as well, their cameras would be far more expensive than they are.
It just hit me may be canon or are listening to you due to what some of the things you have pointed out are on their pro bodies and slowly were transferred to their smaller bodies. Both brands have the technology and when the day comes I think they will be something similar to the leica. Thanks for the video!
I'm as small a voice as exists on the internet. If Canon listened to me, they'd have to read my blog from the Sony A7r days, and I don't think they've done that. Canon's dSLR bodies are pretty small, and tend to remain uncluttered. Small is fine- to a point. But small like the X-T1 and cramped- like the X-T1 is tough. I love the SL's size, though would love for them to cheapen out with magnesium.
why you bother replying to people that don't get what you are saying man, you either post a video to explain the font and educate people of your point of view or do further exploration of how to recognise the art of design. Don't waste your time with negative comments especially when you are expressing your point of view and it's a bit personal too. sometimes we buy thing ls although we know it's now the best in a certain area, but it functions better and sometimes we purchase a camera although it lacks feature just because it looks and handles better. I hope you got my point. keep up your good work dear.
Sage advice, to be sure. I comment because I hate to let half-arsed opinions and base conjecture reign in any stream, especially one I am the curator of. But I take your advice and appreciate any, positive or negative. Many thanks.
Curious that you don't really address the basic issues of a camera - the functionality, Auto focus, IBIS and the image quality. Leica is in a terrible position.
Ok- but you don't address the functions of the handling like the design of the menu system and the way that the functions perform. Are those not handling issues?
They are GUI things, and they will be covered. The Leica is ahead here too. It will fall behind in AF-C and tracking stuff. Both of those I will try to cover in subsequent videos.
Thomas: I won't cover all parts of the GUI, just the basics, as both cameras are highly customisable. I am only going to cover things like: AF switching, magnification (for focus check), ISO switching, selecting white balance, changing aperture in the field, and the like, and with each camera set up the way I need. The permutations for each are impossible to cover.
SL: 5.995$: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1192093-REG/leica_10850_sl_typ_601_mirrorless.html X-H1: 1.899$: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1388297-REG/fujifilm_16568731_x_h1_mirrorless_digital_camera.html Where'd you get the other 4.000$? I realise that certain countries sell certain brands at high prices. We could play that game where Fuji is priced far higher against the Leica. Or, we could just use world-famous BH Photo as the baseline, as I did above. If Fujifilm wanted to make a camera as nicely as the SL, it would tip the scales far in excess of 4.000$. If they wanted to make one that is as well thought-out in terms of all-weather use and easy menus not to mention basic hardware UI, you can bet your bottom it would be even more expensive. Leica are alone. No all-digital camera in the price range and down is as easy to use. No all-digital camera has as rock-solid a hardware UI. That's that. But, there are serious drawbacks, as I tried to cover in the video. I'm not a pro reviewer and I stumble on words, but I hope at least that got through.
Here you are: www.amazon.de/Fujifilm-X-H1-FUJINON-16-55mm-schwarz/dp/B07B2CDDVT/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1521116268&sr=8-3&keywords=fuji+x-h1 www.amazon.de/Leica-Systemkamera-EyeRes-Sucher-Kontrast-Autofokus-Vario-Elmarit/dp/B018VUUCC6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1521116258&sr=8-1&keywords=leica+sl
Jonathan as I said, I wish that sony or Fuji made this camera. We’d get the same body with better service and support. Alas, everyone else makes boxes with too ma y buttons, with poorly shaped buttons, with poorly placed buttons, with it enough space for gloves.... Leica, in their infinite expense and low market penetration make something truly utilitarian, but aren’t big enough to properly support it.
@Tj Holowaychuk: Not sure it's so much that Fuji's industrial design is crap as it is that they lack the focus on simplification and unification of interfaces. Instead, they posture those things, and their customer base isn't critical enough. I've seen famous Fuji fan UA-camrs/blogger show off AF-C performance shooting a person or people lazily throwing a frizbee around far away shot with a stopped-down lens. My hope is that, as I get lambasted by Fuji faithful and fans, that Fujifilm's critical fanbase (these exist, but are often shunned or shamed from voicing complaints, or those complaints are whitewashed) becomes vocal. It is obvious that Fujifilm could make a better designed camera, but they are not pushed by anyone in their loyal cohort.
Lens font? Really? Who even cares about lens FONT!? I have never heard such ridiculous silliness. This is really hipsterinsanity in a bad bad way. Leica is not just more expensive ... it's stupid expensive for what it is ... an electronic camera that will soon be obsolete. The only ppl in this day and age that pays motorcycle prices for a camera are hipsters ... trying too hard to be different in a bad consumeristic way. Focus on photo composition, not chic equipment branding.
Not just lens font, it's a font used on all controls, most branding, and more, since the mid-90s. It's an investment in brand that Leica made a long time ago. It has several advantages ancillary to image: 1. easier to read from a distance 2. less chance of blurring at the eye when viewed at an angle 3. the colours chosen for the font are distinct, and the font weight again is perfectly visible This is a big step up from prior typography used by Leica, which tended to blur at a distance and angle far more often, and though smaller than Fujifilm's lens/camera typography, essentially boiled down to the same user experience. Why Leica's investment in a font whose results are both boons to haptics/UI as well as brand recognition is 'ridiculous silliness' is beyond me. A company investing in user experience as well as its own image should be par, rather than the exception, for the course. I will get to the problems with composition in the X-H1 (and by extension to other X cameras) vis-a-vis the SL soon. I'm amazed that you took what amounted to 20 seconds of the video and expanded it into a personal rant, essentially calling me a hipster, when if anything I'm a traditionalist, a sort that doesn't jive with hipsterism at all. In fact, the hipster vibe basically got picked up by the X series because of its nods to the past whilst providing a completely digital experience.
Very interesting comparison. Keeping in mind that the Leica and lens in this video is a $10,000+ setup whereas the Fuji and lens is about a $3,200 setup; I would say the better value for money would be the Fuji by far. The build quality of the Leica lens isn't surprising considering the difference in price. All in all, it's interesting to see the differences between the two. Can't wait for part 2 and 3.
KentuckyMan30 basic exposure handling between the two is the most remarkable difference. Leica has the balls to say no to most bad ideas and to come up with an interaction method not only unique but foolproof. Fuji looked to the past for inspiration but used it as a physical or artistic guideline rather than an interactive model that translates deeper than skin.
Nice comparison. For most people build quality just has to be "good enough" so the camera can handle bumps or splashes without worry. The Fuji looks more than good enough in that respect. The Leica SL build quality looks like it will last 30 years. And it's a beautiful quality object to handle which is a different kind of value.
The only thing the Leica can do better than the Fuji is look pretty. I've used literally every mirrorless camera since the A7 quite a bit and aside from looks, the SL falls short in every way. The only thing that was good about the SL in 2015 was the EVF. Everything else was a year out of date when it hit the market.
If you'd like to give specifics, by all means do. Otherwise, you've provided nothing but negative bromides with little to no meaning and lots of salt. I think I provided (in an amateur way) a good comparison of basic handling principles which show the Leica is ahead by far in basic ergonomics, if not totally a blindside to the X-H1. In terms of AF, the Leica was at the top of the CDAF game when it came out, which I agree, is behind PDAF, but apart from that I can't think of any way it was behind its PDAF compatriots. Enlighten me. Or, cast more bromides around to salt an earth you can't describe.
I agree with this. Not that the touchscreen is outdated, but when you magnify and pan using the touchscreen, it is less responsive. When you double tap on it to check focus it is far more responsive. Of course, the SL is three years old and no Fujifilm had a touchscreen like the SL when the SL was released that could be so used. The GFX's and X-H1's are very nice.
Thanks for the video. I love the look and simplicity of the Leica design, and I'll grant you that the build quality bests the Fuji. However, it's not very impressive to deliver such quality into a no compromises design where price is no object. You're comparing it to the Fuji when its about 3 times as much for body and lens. Thus, IMO, what Fuji has accomplished is much more impressive to me. Being much more cost constrained, the Fuji engineers have managed to deliver a comparable product to the overpriced Leica. And, of course, this is all ignoring topic of IQ.
Thank you for the considerate reply. There are two reasons I compared the two: every time I mention that I own an SL to any Fuji owner, I am told it is worthless and that Fuji fans get Leica quality for a fraction of the price. That is 100% false and I don't get into the half of it. The other reason is that I own the two cameras. I also own and use the GFX. The GFX fares as bad, and in some ways worse against the SL because the two are at price parity. Again, a D200 was made better than an X-H1 and it cost the same. I am glad that Fuji has fans, but I wish those fans were less loyal and more critical because I think we (as Fuji fans) could have FAR better quality products. Alas, too many apologists burgeon in the ranks, and too few people have proper suggestions about what needs to be fixed. People like me who are real brand agnostics except where it comes to ergonomics and user interfaces, are the few lone voices saying anything. And no one, least of all Fuji, listen to us, because they have too many (excuse the next phrase) suck offs stroking Fuji at every corner. Leica's fans are honest, half of them hating Leica, half loving, and a very small minority praising them for ridiculous stuff like 'magic' and 'soul'. Fuji fandom is the problem and the reason I feel it necessary to point out that the X-H1 is horribly flawed. Again, I don't touch even the half of its problems. It could have been amazing. Instead, it is a poorly designed, retro-fitted hodge podge camera 'designed' to keep it faithful happy in the face of overwhelming odds thanks to Sony.
"I am told it is worthless and that Fuji fans get Leica quality for a fraction of the price" Yes, I can see such a statement would be so incredibly annoying. Some people cope by simply mocking what the cannot have or understand. Like you, I'm also a GFX owner, and wanted a smaller form factor camera. I've owned and sold all the Sony 7 series cameras up to and including the Sony A7RII, and I promised myself never again. They spec out great on paper and get rave reviews, but I've always ended-up being disappointed. I opted for X-H1 instead because, despite being flawed, the build quality is better than Sony IMO and I the ergo is a much, much better fit for me. So far, I really love the camera. Even as a GFX owner, Leica has priced themselves out of reach for what I'm willing to spend on gear. Even if Leica gave away the bodies for free I'd opt out because of their lens pricing. But it's beautiful gear, and for someone to assert that fuji has the same quality for a fraction of the cost is sheer stupidity. Again, thanks for the video. It definitely made me appreciate Leica more after watching, and it's refreshing to see somebody so thoroughly analyze other aspects of camera system than pixel peeped IQ, dynamic range, A/F, etc. Yes, these are important but it's just 1-dimension.
Robert Bland actually I’m a friend and fan of good design that allows functionality to spring to the fore rather than hide behind an interface. the SL’s interface allows the camera’s function to spring forward through it. It is the only such digital camera I’ve tried. Had Sony designed it this would be a video about Sony and Fujifilm.
Sounds like you wear gloves all the time...haha. Just kidding :) Nice comparison. Thinking about buying another Leica instead of another Fuji, so thanks for the video
Thanks man. I hope you enjoy it. Between making that super duper long video and today, my event business has been thrashed by Rona and I am in the process of simplifying everything down to Canon EOS R, primarily because the SL's great ergonomics generally apply and while the menu isn't as nice, it is close. Finally, Canon focus for video is the best and it has better AF-C focus than the Leica.
"People wouldn't know build quality if it hit them in the face" Leica people don't understand the work "Sucker" if they had a dictionary The SL is a beautiful camera but man, come on, its a piece of jewelry for fancy people. As for build quality, I'll buy the X-H1 for the price of one SL. In the case that it does break, just order another. It is a tool for telling stories and creating art, Thats it.
If it were a piece of jewellery, ostentation rather than build quality and attention to interface detail would be its defining factor. As it stands, Leica focus on interface quality first, and depending on the camera, build quality. Fujifilm focus less on both but put a lot of effort into ostentation and skin-deep attraction points for what amounts to uncritical hipsters. If a camera is just a tool, then you'd not get a Fuji. You'd get a cheaper Sony with better AF and better image quality for half the price. The fuji would be the piece of jewellery.
This video is a bit of a joke. Comparing anything that's 300% more expensive is just a little ridiculous. Also the Leica lenses are close to 10x the price!
Why is that a joke? Panasonic's S5 handles better than the H1 and is about the same price when compared close to debut. Price does not make handling. The M is 3x the price and handles worse. Design and not decided by price. Handling is not decided by price.
@@FauxtakuLounge You spent time in this video slating material and design quality which is fundamentally a product of price, which is limiting factor at the design and manufacture stage.
Truth is that the Leica SL battery life is piss poor. It will not last 400 shots as stated in the manual. Each battery cost $250 each. You would need 4 batteries to last an outdoor photo shoot. For that reason is not the best choice. No battery, no expen$ive camera, no images, no money. check out my interview with the Leica rep at WPPI 2018, link: ua-cam.com/video/uXj7_wdTDfk/v-deo.html, thx. AF~
I don't see how this awkward video does anything for Leica or anyone's image. It is merely to show basic differences in build and operation between Leica SL and X-H1. And they are ridiculous. Even the GFX, which costs the same as the SL, is far, far, and a way from being as well made. But it has a decent grip and its buttons are larger, which makes it much nicer to use than the X-H1.
Robert Bland as you may note from the title, this video is about basic handling- which is what I attempted - inexpertly I agree - to show. Have some patience, and read.
Fauxtaku Lounge the SL-Cameras is not Worth it .You can almost buy 3 Fuji xH1 for the price of one SL Do not make any sense they are not all that you’re pretty much just buying the name
Robert Bland would similarly priced cameras also not be worth it? That is: canon and Nikon pro cameras? Or is it the name? I agree: the SL is expensive. But it is made far better than the X-H1 and is easier to use, has better buttons and a layout that works with or without gloves. Had Fuji designed and built the SL to the same degree of quality and same sensors, the price would also be sky high. I assume it would be cheaper than the SL but not that much cheaper.
Leica SL £5229 or Fujifilm XH-1 £1699. Not to mention the cost difference of the glass. Looks like Fujifilm does an amazing job for the money.
Peter Abbott handling has nothing - or very little to do with - price. Had it not been the SL, but a similarly priced (and ancient) Nikon D200, the D200 would have similarly faired.
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I love my fuji and their lenses.
Good on you.
@@FauxtakuLounge No, but it does have a lot to do with whether or not the lenses have laser-engraved numbers or not. As to the "custom fonts" comment, that’s just far too esoteric to even comment on.
Re the Leica being heavier and thus engendering the feeling in many of being better quality-this is nothing more than a clever trick. In reality, magnesium is 33% lighter than aluminum, 60% lighter than titanium, and 75% lighter than steel. Yet for many applications-including camera manufacturing-it's stronger per unit volume than all three of those structural metals, while also being more cost effective.
I like the usability reviews. It's better than standard talking heads out there. Thanks. I am also looking into the Leica Sl... I was disappointed with where the Fuji line is going and I want to be able to have a more photography oriented camera with an option of using leica manual focus lenses as well as AF....
I think Leica hit a near higher water mark with the SL. Panasonic's S1 is also amazing, though perhaps not quite as useable in the extreme cold because of its many buttons. But when I handled it, I found it brilliant.
Good video...I'm not sure someone has already stated but the reason you hear the "rattle" in the Fuji is the image stablization, which eats battery. You're rattling the floating lens element and you're rattling the stabilized sensor...fyi...don't rattle the camera if you can help it. I use my SL in DNG but jpg mono mode so the viewfinder and playback is in monochrome and I can just concentrate on the scene and composition. I use M lenses on my SL the focus peaking can be seen better in mono mode in the viewfinder.
I am not talking about the sensor movement, but the tendency for its buttons to make sounds as the camera is wobbled.
Nice video. How do compare the two regarding dynamic range and high ISO quality? Thanks
I’ve just bought an SL which now costs the same second hand as a Fuji new, so I’m on my way from Fuji, however, the Fuji X-H1 shutter button can be recalibrated by Fuji, so worth sending it off for a service and recalibration to the firm shutter button
I purchased the XH-1 because I couldn't afford the Leica SL1 and I have no regrets about the purchase because I really enjoy a number of features of the Fuji.... But WHEN I get the money, I will definitely buy the SL1 regardless of what new SL models are released in the future.
To me the best feature on the SL are its function buttons, which are all providing double functions, short push for one and push and hold for a second and you get the second one. Awesome.... And not many reviews ate mentioning this...
pair of Grado round your neck lol, definitely a lover of fine things
Absolutely.
Hi Nathan and thanks a lot for the video! 5:38 Yep, the shutter release button is very "touchy" and requires some practicing to get used to its sensitivity. There is an option, though, of reassigning the auto-focus to the back-button (AF-ON or AE-L). Cheers!
I use AF-ON from the back almost exclusively since D200 days. The problem still is that Fuji's shutter release button takes exposure and is way too touchy. AF-ON or not, you'll take lots of exposures you didn't intend to take.
Yes, that's true. No camera is perfect, though.
The noise is in the H1 is the IBIS mechanism ----- so that is a feature. I think that if you used the Fuji for a few weeks you would become more coordinated with the shutter mechanism, which is designed to minimized the vibration. I have had my H1 for a week and find that the half press is quite easy to get use to. It is unfortunate that Leica does not have the financial resources to make the SL up to date in terms of the functionality of the camera. A rock would have solid build camera but that does not make a rock a good camera. I sold all of my Leica and Canon equipment to move to Fuji - and I am so glad I did. Leica is simply obsolete.
The SL is from 2015 so the tech gap (if there is one) is explained pretty well by what I assume to be intervening years. The Leica lens has OS inside and it doesn't clunks as much. The system is just made far far far better. Which, again, is a shame as Leica can't support the camera through accessories or service nearly as well. I assume the next generation of SL will be at least on par, as the SL was about as advanced a camera as existed in 2015. The point about build quality is that everyone touts build quality as if metal described it. And it does not. Everything from weather sealing to body solidity are worlds apart.
And then, there is the attention to detail which Leica put into the SL, which obviously Fujifilm did not put into the X series and probably will not or can not. Even Sony's expensive A9 eschews attention to haptic, UI, and basic hardware feedback for compactness and basic bristling with buttons. It's a shame. I want the SL but supported as well with accessories and support. If Fujifilm could build the SL, I assume it would cost at least 4.000$, but I don't think they are capable of saying no to things they should say no to.
I think Leica are not obsolete, they are unfortunately not positioned well in this market. Their tech is amazing. Their handling and build are about as good as it gets in the mirrorless world. And then there is everything else, which is simply incompatible to a company their size and market penetration.
Good observations. But the only reason to buy an SL is to have a very solid rock. It is obsolete and three times as expensive. That is why I switched from Leica to Fuji.
I guess I need to question the term you've now repeated. What does obsolete mean to you? I can't think of a single metric apart from AF-C in which the SL is obsolete, and even then, there are a number of instances where it nails AF-C better than the X-H1.
The SL was obsolete when it was released too.
thomas Shea lol what leica did you have? SL, M , S, Q? And what fuji do you use now? I use them both and they have different purpose, to say leica obsolete is ridiculous. I guess earlier you use M8 or M9 and then compare it to fuji xt2, which is not comparable
Buongiorno! How is going?! Have you found a work around to X-H1 Shutter speed issue? Maybe firmware update helped? Thanks
There is no workaround without a full hardware re-design. Fujifilm really backed themselves into a corner of poor design.
You have the only video on YT with the shutter sound of the Leica SL. Did you know that?
I had no idea.
true, but man you get what's you pay for, lecia is not for the majority. I get your point and you are right but it's so expensive, I mean the glass is perfectly expensive. Fuji as you said is probably the best in the market today for their build against Sony or other mirrorless camera. but hey you can't get it all in one camera :)
B B thanks for the comment. I’m certain that if Fuji made a camera as solid and well finished and designed it would come very close to the Leica in price. It would have better AFC though!
As far as build goes, I think Fuji have a lot to fix, but their sealing is better than Sony.
Fauxtaku Lounge yeah you are right, Im looking for a video mirrorless and wanted the Fuji to be perfect in AF in video, but till now no good news for good vlogging autofocus video, at least not as good as Sony which I'm not favoring it, but will wait to see if they improved it before my next trip. I'm also not expert in video stuff but want something reliable for video. thank you brother for this video
Were I to find an extra ten grand in my sock drawer, I might be tempted to buy this gorgeous camera and that fab lens. I own the Fuji XH 1. I have two complaints: In auto ISO(3200), it defaults to a very high ISO in low light(my Nikon handles auto ISO much better); the battery life is abysmal. Watched the entire video. Most enjoyable. PS. I never shoot with gloves. I thought that Canadians were a hearty bunch.
Well done!! Even with all the deficiencies of the Leica i still love it!
I hope you stick around; parts 2 and 3 are in the works. Many thanks.
I will as iam literally ready to buy either the sl or a nikon d850. The flash support and service is what is giving me cause for concern as i love broncolor and profoto
I've yet to use the D850 longer than five or ten minutes. Beautiful camera.
I’ve been coming back to your channel every other too see if you posted part 2 lol.
Like I said, I'm not a pro here, so it takes a while. If all goes well, Friday. If not, Monday. If I wake up with an axe in my chest, the following Friday.
Thank's for this very instructive video. Leica cameras are build like a tank. But SL cost 3 times more than XH1, without IBIS.
You can't ask Fuji to give as much as Leica for a third of the price. Each brand has its strength and weakness.
Leica will showcase its new SL in a few month. I look forward to seeing the changes.
I think we'll see the SL MKII in a year, if not more. There are a few key areas I wish Leica would address in the next hardware, all of which I will address in a blog post which I hope Leica Rumours will publish for me. I doubt I will cover them in this channel, but who knows. As for cost, the X-H1 is Fuji's most expensive all-round camera and everything from build to focus performance is being directly compared to cameras both in its price range and way higher, even to Canon 1D series, so I don't consider price parity a problem. That, and as I said in the video, a D200 has as good a grip as the SL. Making a good interface is much harder and more expensive than making a bad interface (which can easily be thrown together), but it doesn't have to conclude in an expensive camera. Nikon's D200 cost the same as the the X-H1 and was not only made better, but had better ergonomics and basic controls for all weather.
nice detailed analysis for the build quality which I've never seen anyone talk about
I'm hoping to focus on this sort of thing: handling/ergonomics/haptics, as I'm not a scientist, nor am I capable of delivering detailed reviews as per usual. Awkward but detail-oriented, and a slave to good design as defined by utility rather than looks.
when will there be Fujifilm X H1 VS Leica SL Part 2?
Hello Andy. I've shot most of it, but had delays, including a week-long business trip and my daughter catching a cold, which kept both me and mum from work. I'm sorry for the delay.
Just with the best body I have ever used....
Panasonic G9
And
FUJIFILM GXF 100S
I KNOW IT'S 3 YEARS LATER NOW
are those Grado headphones?
Grado GH-2 Japan Limited Edition Cocobolo with custom earpads that retain the Grado soundfield immediacy but which warm up the sound a bit like a HD600. Lovely.
Fauxtaku Lounge why are you wearing them in a camera comparison video?
Good video. You point out important things, Tnx
Iam glad they made the XH1 body (grip)bigger, but still those controls r no good i think
- control wheels r not grippy enough
- joystick feels like y r pressing a pencil point all the time
- generally still the buttons r way to small and bad placement (AFon to close to AEF)
Sir Macalot thank you for the considerate response. Again, it is my strong opinion that Leica nailed the ergonomic and haptic interface is the camera as well as nearly nailed the body shape. They lack autofocus tweaks that would make it as good physically as it can’t be. Service and professional support are other issues.
'thin lady fingers' I own an XH1 - but im considering selling it all for a used SL instead. Im an ex Leica M user and kind of miss the build quality
When is part 2 coming out?
Doing this review based on whether your wearing gloves or not is not a fair comparison, and as the Leica costs twice as much I know what my choice would be. I live in Canada and I have gloves that can expose my fingers for the purpose of detail adjustments.
Peter Symes you’ll note that at the end I implored other companies to make a body like the Leica. I’m saying that anyone has to buy the Leica.
The leica is far better designed. If a Japanese company wanted to put in the time and effort to actually designs reliable all weather design they could. The X-H1 is not reliable because it’s controls are fiddly, even through bicycle gloves. Be my guest to buy ginger exposing gloves but that is a solution to tackle problems of bad design that the manufacturers make.
Peter Symes you’ll also note that I point out problems in basic exposure speed adjustment that are endemic to the X system as a whole and that work the same whether you have gloves on or not.
Peter Symes furthermore, I will put the SL against the GFX and the same conclusions are meet. It is a poor design. The GFX however has more space around certain buttons and for other buttons Bette placement as well as larger buttons.
The X-H1 is cramped, has small buttons, puts many in hard to reach places and/or makes them hard to press. The battery and all access doors are cheap. Again, even against a D200, which costs the same, the X-H1 comes out poorly on an ergonomic and reliability of interface metric.
It isn’t unfair to compare a good interface VS one that needs serious rethink.
I agree that the Leica is a far cleaner and simpler design, but all of the Japanese camera designs have many buttons. I have been a Nikon shooter for over 40 years and the past year changed to Fuji because of weight. I have found both the XPro2, & XT2 to be excellent cameras again at less than half the price of a Leica. Point being is that I would love to own a BMW, but I can only afford a Hyundai and I love my Hyundai.
Thank you for clarification. Again, this isn't about price. The only reason price is of any consequence here is because disparity exists. Yes, the SL is heavier, and so are modern dSLRs, though it really depends. The X-H1 is heavier than a number of dSLRs and close to many in the critical medium-quality genre the D500 occupies. The point isn't price. The point is that the Leica is better designed for all weather. Fujifilm could have focused on that. Instead, it is my strong opinion that they haven't designers that work on form following function, rather they have designers appealing to 'tradition'- which isn't bad in and of itself. The 'traditional' and 'direct' controls the Fujifilm employs are all fly by wire, and in many cases do not do what they say they do, or do not do so reliably, or ergonomically.
It is bad design. It needs to be acknowledged that I own and have owned Fuji products since 2013. I mention that I film this video on the GFX and that the X-H1 is mine. I purchased it and have reasons for it. I'm not some troll. I'm a long-time owner, but before I'm a fan I'm a critic. And I think the Fuji world is almost completely devoid of critics. Perhaps refugees from Canon and Nikon that have grievances. I do not own either one. I'm a Fuji and Leica guy. That's it. And there are many things I love about the X series. But interface and basic handling are not two of them, and the issues therein NEED to be addressed rather than rolled over in apologetic terms.
Great review, thanks!
Excellent vdo
Many thanks.
RAW files of the same image would have bee GREAT
This is just a handling comparison. However poorly designed it is in conveying differences between the two cameras, it is about handling and nothing else. I hope to do a final comparison as I hinted at in this video and the one later, showing AF differences and file quality. JPEGs between the two favour the X-H1 by a good margin, but RAWs far and away favour the SL, whether Lightroom or XTransformer or other. The difference between the SL and GFX in studio lighting and file malleability are minimal, but the X-H1 is so far and away from either, it really is used in a pinch or when I need deep DOF.
@@FauxtakuLounge i have GFX and wanted to see if SL handeles RAW differently really especially outdoors natural light.
@@FauxtakuLounge I also have the X-h1 and the GFX. You say the SL is on par with the GFX IQ wise? :)
I neither have the Sl nor the H1, but I do have an Xt2 and a Q... honestly it’s hard to me to understand the comparison. The Q is way above the Fuji, albeit at a very different price point and I am sure it is the same with the SL.
The Fujifilm narrative always has been: why pay more for Leica (trash) when Fujifilm is better in almost all conceivable ways for much less money. Leica is more expensive to be sure. But if Fujifilm designed as well and built as well, their cameras would be far more expensive than they are.
It just hit me may be canon or are listening to you due to what some of the things you have pointed out are on their pro bodies and slowly were transferred to their smaller bodies. Both brands have the technology and when the day comes I think they will be something similar to the leica. Thanks for the video!
I'm as small a voice as exists on the internet. If Canon listened to me, they'd have to read my blog from the Sony A7r days, and I don't think they've done that. Canon's dSLR bodies are pretty small, and tend to remain uncluttered. Small is fine- to a point. But small like the X-T1 and cramped- like the X-T1 is tough. I love the SL's size, though would love for them to cheapen out with magnesium.
why you bother replying to people that don't get what you are saying man, you either post a video to explain the font and educate people of your point of view or do further exploration of how to recognise the art of design. Don't waste your time with negative comments especially when you are expressing your point of view and it's a bit personal too. sometimes we buy thing ls although we know it's now the best in a certain area, but it functions better and sometimes we purchase a camera although it lacks feature just because it looks and handles better. I hope you got my point. keep up your good work dear.
Sage advice, to be sure. I comment because I hate to let half-arsed opinions and base conjecture reign in any stream, especially one I am the curator of. But I take your advice and appreciate any, positive or negative. Many thanks.
Curious that you don't really address the basic issues of a camera - the functionality, Auto focus, IBIS and the image quality. Leica is in a terrible position.
thomas Shea please read the title of this video.
Ok- but you don't address the functions of the handling like the design of the menu system and the way that the functions perform. Are those not handling issues?
They are GUI things, and they will be covered. The Leica is ahead here too. It will fall behind in AF-C and tracking stuff. Both of those I will try to cover in subsequent videos.
Thomas: I won't cover all parts of the GUI, just the basics, as both cameras are highly customisable. I am only going to cover things like: AF switching, magnification (for focus check), ISO switching, selecting white balance, changing aperture in the field, and the like, and with each camera set up the way I need. The permutations for each are impossible to cover.
build quality difference with a price gap of 8k $...
SL: 5.995$: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1192093-REG/leica_10850_sl_typ_601_mirrorless.html
X-H1: 1.899$: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1388297-REG/fujifilm_16568731_x_h1_mirrorless_digital_camera.html
Where'd you get the other 4.000$? I realise that certain countries sell certain brands at high prices. We could play that game where Fuji is priced far higher against the Leica. Or, we could just use world-famous BH Photo as the baseline, as I did above. If Fujifilm wanted to make a camera as nicely as the SL, it would tip the scales far in excess of 4.000$. If they wanted to make one that is as well thought-out in terms of all-weather use and easy menus not to mention basic hardware UI, you can bet your bottom it would be even more expensive. Leica are alone. No all-digital camera in the price range and down is as easy to use. No all-digital camera has as rock-solid a hardware UI. That's that.
But, there are serious drawbacks, as I tried to cover in the video. I'm not a pro reviewer and I stumble on words, but I hope at least that got through.
Here you are:
www.amazon.de/Fujifilm-X-H1-FUJINON-16-55mm-schwarz/dp/B07B2CDDVT/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1521116268&sr=8-3&keywords=fuji+x-h1
www.amazon.de/Leica-Systemkamera-EyeRes-Sucher-Kontrast-Autofokus-Vario-Elmarit/dp/B018VUUCC6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1521116258&sr=8-1&keywords=leica+sl
Also ,i'm not hear to offend you .I really liked your video
That's with the lens. The body itself is that minus 4.000$. As I said in the video, I think the lens is overpriced, though it is fantastic.
I take no offence. I just believe that claims such as 8.000$ more need to compare like with like. And many thanks.
People love to mock Leica for their prices, but other camera makes could take a page from their minimal and simple approach to user interface.
Jonathan as I said, I wish that sony or Fuji made this camera. We’d get the same body with better service and support. Alas, everyone else makes boxes with too ma y buttons, with poorly shaped buttons, with poorly placed buttons, with it enough space for gloves.... Leica, in their infinite expense and low market penetration make something truly utilitarian, but aren’t big enough to properly support it.
Oh to have the choice!
Are you Niles from Frasier?
Good question. I'll have to check that out. Is it on Netflix?
OMFG what did i just look at ROFL
Theoria Apophasis welcome!
Fuji's crap industrial design :D
@Tj Holowaychuk:
Not sure it's so much that Fuji's industrial design is crap as it is that they lack the focus on simplification and unification of interfaces. Instead, they posture those things, and their customer base isn't critical enough. I've seen famous Fuji fan UA-camrs/blogger show off AF-C performance shooting a person or people lazily throwing a frizbee around far away shot with a stopped-down lens.
My hope is that, as I get lambasted by Fuji faithful and fans, that Fujifilm's critical fanbase (these exist, but are often shunned or shamed from voicing complaints, or those complaints are whitewashed) becomes vocal. It is obvious that Fujifilm could make a better designed camera, but they are not pushed by anyone in their loyal cohort.
Lens font? Really? Who even cares about lens FONT!? I have never heard such ridiculous silliness. This is really hipsterinsanity in a bad bad way. Leica is not just more expensive ... it's stupid expensive for what it is ... an electronic camera that will soon be obsolete. The only ppl in this day and age that pays motorcycle prices for a camera are hipsters ... trying too hard to be different in a bad consumeristic way. Focus on photo composition, not chic equipment branding.
Not just lens font, it's a font used on all controls, most branding, and more, since the mid-90s. It's an investment in brand that Leica made a long time ago. It has several advantages ancillary to image:
1. easier to read from a distance
2. less chance of blurring at the eye when viewed at an angle
3. the colours chosen for the font are distinct, and the font weight again is perfectly visible
This is a big step up from prior typography used by Leica, which tended to blur at a distance and angle far more often, and though smaller than Fujifilm's lens/camera typography, essentially boiled down to the same user experience. Why Leica's investment in a font whose results are both boons to haptics/UI as well as brand recognition is 'ridiculous silliness' is beyond me. A company investing in user experience as well as its own image should be par, rather than the exception, for the course.
I will get to the problems with composition in the X-H1 (and by extension to other X cameras) vis-a-vis the SL soon. I'm amazed that you took what amounted to 20 seconds of the video and expanded it into a personal rant, essentially calling me a hipster, when if anything I'm a traditionalist, a sort that doesn't jive with hipsterism at all. In fact, the hipster vibe basically got picked up by the X series because of its nods to the past whilst providing a completely digital experience.
Maybe one stop over expose to me? Great video 👍🏻
Video is a new field. I hope I get the hang of it. Thanks for your comments here and above.
Fauxtaku Lounge thanks for replying 🙏🏻
Cool video !👊🏻
Cheers.
Very interesting comparison. Keeping in mind that the Leica and lens in this video is a $10,000+ setup whereas the Fuji and lens is about a $3,200 setup; I would say the better value for money would be the Fuji by far. The build quality of the Leica lens isn't surprising considering the difference in price. All in all, it's interesting to see the differences between the two. Can't wait for part 2 and 3.
KentuckyMan30 basic exposure handling between the two is the most remarkable difference. Leica has the balls to say no to most bad ideas and to come up with an interaction method not only unique but foolproof. Fuji looked to the past for inspiration but used it as a physical or artistic guideline rather than an interactive model that translates deeper than skin.
Nice comparison. For most people build quality just has to be "good enough" so the camera can handle bumps or splashes without worry. The Fuji looks more than good enough in that respect.
The Leica SL build quality looks like it will last 30 years. And it's a beautiful quality object to handle which is a different kind of value.
The only thing the Leica can do better than the Fuji is look pretty. I've used literally every mirrorless camera since the A7 quite a bit and aside from looks, the SL falls short in every way. The only thing that was good about the SL in 2015 was the EVF. Everything else was a year out of date when it hit the market.
If you'd like to give specifics, by all means do. Otherwise, you've provided nothing but negative bromides with little to no meaning and lots of salt. I think I provided (in an amateur way) a good comparison of basic handling principles which show the Leica is ahead by far in basic ergonomics, if not totally a blindside to the X-H1. In terms of AF, the Leica was at the top of the CDAF game when it came out, which I agree, is behind PDAF, but apart from that I can't think of any way it was behind its PDAF compatriots. Enlighten me.
Or, cast more bromides around to salt an earth you can't describe.
The Leica touchscreen is well outdated and not as responsive as the newer touchscreens. The Fuji toucscreens are quite a bit better than Leica
I agree with this. Not that the touchscreen is outdated, but when you magnify and pan using the touchscreen, it is less responsive. When you double tap on it to check focus it is far more responsive. Of course, the SL is three years old and no Fujifilm had a touchscreen like the SL when the SL was released that could be so used. The GFX's and X-H1's are very nice.
JohnAllen Magee Fuji brought out touchscreen on the X70, 3 months after the Leica SL came out. Fuji is not new to touchscreens.
good video
I smell a leica fanboy here lol alot of bias here in this video but great video overall.
Thanks for the video. I love the look and simplicity of the Leica design, and I'll grant you that the build quality bests the Fuji. However, it's not very impressive to deliver such quality into a no compromises design where price is no object. You're comparing it to the Fuji when its about 3 times as much for body and lens. Thus, IMO, what Fuji has accomplished is much more impressive to me. Being much more cost constrained, the Fuji engineers have managed to deliver a comparable product to the overpriced Leica. And, of course, this is all ignoring topic of IQ.
Thank you for the considerate reply. There are two reasons I compared the two: every time I mention that I own an SL to any Fuji owner, I am told it is worthless and that Fuji fans get Leica quality for a fraction of the price. That is 100% false and I don't get into the half of it. The other reason is that I own the two cameras. I also own and use the GFX. The GFX fares as bad, and in some ways worse against the SL because the two are at price parity.
Again, a D200 was made better than an X-H1 and it cost the same. I am glad that Fuji has fans, but I wish those fans were less loyal and more critical because I think we (as Fuji fans) could have FAR better quality products. Alas, too many apologists burgeon in the ranks, and too few people have proper suggestions about what needs to be fixed. People like me who are real brand agnostics except where it comes to ergonomics and user interfaces, are the few lone voices saying anything. And no one, least of all Fuji, listen to us, because they have too many (excuse the next phrase) suck offs stroking Fuji at every corner.
Leica's fans are honest, half of them hating Leica, half loving, and a very small minority praising them for ridiculous stuff like 'magic' and 'soul'. Fuji fandom is the problem and the reason I feel it necessary to point out that the X-H1 is horribly flawed. Again, I don't touch even the half of its problems. It could have been amazing. Instead, it is a poorly designed, retro-fitted hodge podge camera 'designed' to keep it faithful happy in the face of overwhelming odds thanks to Sony.
"I am told it is worthless and that Fuji fans get Leica quality for a fraction of the price" Yes, I can see such a statement would be so incredibly annoying. Some people cope by simply mocking what the cannot have or understand.
Like you, I'm also a GFX owner, and wanted a smaller form factor camera. I've owned and sold all the Sony 7 series cameras up to and including the Sony A7RII, and I promised myself never again. They spec out great on paper and get rave reviews, but I've always ended-up being disappointed. I opted for X-H1 instead because, despite being flawed, the build quality is better than Sony IMO and I the ergo is a much, much better fit for me. So far, I really love the camera.
Even as a GFX owner, Leica has priced themselves out of reach for what I'm willing to spend on gear. Even if Leica gave away the bodies for free I'd opt out because of their lens pricing. But it's beautiful gear, and for someone to assert that fuji has the same quality for a fraction of the cost is sheer stupidity.
Again, thanks for the video. It definitely made me appreciate Leica more after watching, and it's refreshing to see somebody so thoroughly analyze other aspects of camera system than pixel peeped IQ, dynamic range, A/F, etc. Yes, these are important but it's just 1-dimension.
Wow friend boy to Leica 😱
Robert Bland actually I’m a friend and fan of good design that allows functionality to spring to the fore rather than hide behind an interface. the SL’s interface allows the camera’s function to spring forward through it. It is the only such digital camera I’ve tried. Had Sony designed it this would be a video about Sony and Fujifilm.
Sounds like you wear gloves all the time...haha. Just kidding :) Nice comparison. Thinking about buying another Leica instead of another Fuji, so thanks for the video
Thanks man. I hope you enjoy it. Between making that super duper long video and today, my event business has been thrashed by Rona and I am in the process of simplifying everything down to Canon EOS R, primarily because the SL's great ergonomics generally apply and while the menu isn't as nice, it is close. Finally, Canon focus for video is the best and it has better AF-C focus than the Leica.
"People wouldn't know build quality if it hit them in the face"
Leica people don't understand the work "Sucker" if they had a dictionary
The SL is a beautiful camera but man, come on, its a piece of jewelry for fancy people. As for build quality, I'll buy the X-H1 for the price of one SL. In the case that it does break, just order another. It is a tool for telling stories and creating art, Thats it.
If it were a piece of jewellery, ostentation rather than build quality and attention to interface detail would be its defining factor. As it stands, Leica focus on interface quality first, and depending on the camera, build quality. Fujifilm focus less on both but put a lot of effort into ostentation and skin-deep attraction points for what amounts to uncritical hipsters. If a camera is just a tool, then you'd not get a Fuji. You'd get a cheaper Sony with better AF and better image quality for half the price. The fuji would be the piece of jewellery.
I should mention that it is by no means as reliable as the SL. I truly wish Fujifilm designed and built a camera as reliable but they have not.
This video is a bit of a joke. Comparing anything that's 300% more expensive is just a little ridiculous. Also the Leica lenses are close to 10x the price!
Why is that a joke? Panasonic's S5 handles better than the H1 and is about the same price when compared close to debut. Price does not make handling. The M is 3x the price and handles worse. Design and not decided by price. Handling is not decided by price.
@@FauxtakuLounge You spent time in this video slating material and design quality which is fundamentally a product of price, which is limiting factor at the design and manufacture stage.
เพิ่งรู้ว่ากล้องที่ชอบมาก(xh1) มันห่วยสุดเมื่อเทียบกับ Leica
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Truth is that the Leica SL battery life is piss poor. It will not last 400 shots as stated in the manual. Each battery cost $250 each. You would need 4 batteries to last an outdoor photo shoot. For that reason is not the best choice. No battery, no expen$ive camera, no images, no money. check out my interview with the Leica rep at WPPI 2018, link: ua-cam.com/video/uXj7_wdTDfk/v-deo.html, thx. AF~
Anthony Feliciano indeed, the SL’s battery is poor. The X-H1’s is worse.
Typical frustated artist that everyone ignores at their photo association. This people do this things just to let you know how sexy their camera is.
You’ll have to explain what you mean here.
Actually its a good thing you’re a frustrated artist, it makes you such a good seller. I mean.
I don't see how this awkward video does anything for Leica or anyone's image. It is merely to show basic differences in build and operation between Leica SL and X-H1. And they are ridiculous. Even the GFX, which costs the same as the SL, is far, far, and a way from being as well made. But it has a decent grip and its buttons are larger, which makes it much nicer to use than the X-H1.
Let’s see the two camera Versus one another you are doing too much talking Show us the proof
Robert Bland as you may note from the title, this video is about basic handling- which is what I attempted - inexpertly I agree - to show. Have some patience, and read.
Fauxtaku Lounge the SL-Cameras is not Worth it .You can almost buy 3 Fuji xH1 for the price of one SL Do not make any sense they are not all that you’re pretty much just buying the name
Robert Bland would similarly priced cameras also not be worth it? That is: canon and Nikon pro cameras? Or is it the name? I agree: the SL is expensive.
But it is made far better than the X-H1 and is easier to use, has better buttons and a layout that works with or without gloves. Had Fuji designed and built the SL to the same degree of quality and same sensors, the price would also be sky high. I assume it would be cheaper than the SL but not that much cheaper.