The Decreasing Rarity of Dragon Type Pokemon

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  • Dragon Type Pokemon have always been the strongest and rarest type of Pokemon across the series, and tons of legendary Pokemon are given the type. However, with each recent generation, that rarity is diminishing, with lots of new Dragon Type Pokemon being introduced, many of which do not have the typical imposing attributes that Dragon Pokemon are known for. This video essay is all about documenting that decreasing rarity, and a brief look at what the future of dragon type Pokemon could be. Make sure to like and subscribe for more Pokemon content!
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  • @FargusPhil
    @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому +53

    Count the number of times I said “dragon type Pokémon” lol

    • @lexietheemeraldminecart
      @lexietheemeraldminecart 4 місяці тому +3

      Make it a drinking game.

    • @kerrywien6775
      @kerrywien6775 4 місяці тому +2

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      This is Going To Redeem eternatus 🐉💀 So Much & Gives it The Respect it Deserves. Without A Doubt One Of The Best Legendary Pokémons Ever.

    • @mano8057
      @mano8057 Місяць тому +1

      6 times in the video

  • @prettylilliah7838
    @prettylilliah7838 4 місяці тому +170

    Everything changed when the fairy nation attacked

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому +5

      LMAO nice

    • @Pixaurora
      @Pixaurora 4 місяці тому +6

      fairies truly yassified the dragons

  • @kujoova
    @kujoova 4 місяці тому +52

    Fairy is a large part of why Dragon is so common now. The hardest counter to dragon types is pretty common itself. Dragon can't possibly be a threat because fairy types exist, so why keep them behind unnecessary walls if they're gonna get destroyed by a common pokemon.
    I wonder what the game would be like if they buffed Ice, maybe gave dragon more weaknesses (Steel or Fighting because noble warriors using swords usually slay the dragons/beasts) or balanced fary so it didn't have two not very offensive weaknesses. Steel and Poison hitting you supereffectively is not a threat at all.

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому +24

      Definitely, and Fairy absolutely needs a redesign! Making it weak to bug would make sense, nerf fairy, and buff bug, that's my personal hope

    • @Gst-bg1rq
      @Gst-bg1rq 4 місяці тому +2

      ⁠@@FargusPhil I don’t see why fairy would need to be nerfed at this point, it’s not the dominant type anymore like dragon was before the nerf, if anything there’s other types like steel that are way better than fairy currently

    • @Andrew-ch3xj
      @Andrew-ch3xj 4 місяці тому +3

      ​@@Gst-bg1rq dragon type worshipers want fairy to ve nerfed

    • @kunik61
      @kunik61 4 місяці тому +1

      Ice is also supereffectivr against dragons and nobody talks about it.

    • @kunik61
      @kunik61 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@Andrew-ch3xjI hate Fairy type for mostly poor designs and types which are more needed

  • @TheWizardMus
    @TheWizardMus 4 місяці тому +123

    I think its worth mentioning that while older dragons have been able to be found in earlier areas, starting with Bagon before the second gym in XY, the new dragons have always remained fairly rare or late game, for example Fridgibax is only on Glaseado Mountain, Duraladon was found right before the final city in Sword and Shield and while Applin is dound pretty early, its unique evolutionary items are pretty hard to get iirc

    • @RabblesTheBinx
      @RabblesTheBinx 4 місяці тому +2

      Not any more, they aren't. You can get Hydrapple in like, the first hour of the Kitakami DLC, and the other two items are even easier to get.

    • @TheWizardMus
      @TheWizardMus 4 місяці тому +37

      @@RabblesTheBinx hydrapple requires Dipplin to know the tm move from the last E4 member and even then in SwSh, the apples are pretty annoying to track down, which is what I was referring to.

    • @nedrostram2360
      @nedrostram2360 4 місяці тому +5

      Axew was available earlier than Bagon in XY.

    • @l-x-10
      @l-x-10 3 місяці тому

      @@nedrostram2360 Both before the second gym though, so not that big a deal

  • @Magic_Ice
    @Magic_Ice 4 місяці тому +69

    What makes a Pokémon a dragon type isn’t really based on how “cool” or “scaley” it is, because our modern western understanding of a dragon is very different to ancient interpretations of Dragons in different cultures. Such as Appletun being based on a “wyrm” in an apple while also being reptilian like most other dragons and Goodra is based on how weak knights were depicted fighting snails instead of dragons. I just think overtime when it comes to what a “dragon” type is, it’s always been much more what the inspiration for the mon is rather than if it looks like a classical dragon or a dinosaur.

    • @parathepineapple
      @parathepineapple 4 місяці тому +4

      True True
      People Complain About Modern Dragon Types Being Not Dragony But Like
      Turtonator, Applin, Alolan Exeggutor, And Goodra Have More Reason To Be Dragon Type Than Garchomp…

    • @Magic_Ice
      @Magic_Ice 3 місяці тому +1

      @@parathepineapple bro speaks like a homestuck character

    • @chahinebourenane6291
      @chahinebourenane6291 3 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for teaching me that!

  • @jaernihiltheus7817
    @jaernihiltheus7817 4 місяці тому +24

    To be fair to winona - she also uses a dragonite in her emerald rematches and a rayquaza in her non-canon DLC PWT team in black 2/white 2. So it's fair to say she's just as much a dragon master as lance is.

  • @jamesaditya5254
    @jamesaditya5254 4 місяці тому +111

    I faintly remember an interview mentioning that gen 3 was around the time GF attempted to make more "cooler" designs, and I think that played a role in more non-legendary dragon types. Just by labelling something as a dragon inherently gives it a cooler vibe. Like altaria is an unassuming dragon type that you'd be pleasantly surprised to learn that it actually has that typing. Of course this design principal resonates well with the fanbase and it leads to more dragons being available. Other commenters already answered why is it okay to have a lot of these dragons, which is their intent on nurturing the competitive scene that leads to the introduction of the fairy typing. It might seem necessary at the beginning of the IP's life to create a reputation for dragon types, but it's pretty much unnecessary now that we're 9 generations of games in. Dragons are awesome, more dragons means more awesome

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому +5

      Very well said!

    • @powerfulberry237
      @powerfulberry237 4 місяці тому +12

      There were no ghost types either but no one cried about it as hard
      Meanwhile we are getting less and less poison type when it was almost like gen1 took place in australia

    • @athos9293
      @athos9293 3 місяці тому

      ​@@powerfulberry237 i mean dragon type obviously stands out more

  • @colinbrown74
    @colinbrown74 4 місяці тому +78

    I like that it feels like they are starting to stop treating certain types as “special” for unknown reason. We still need a good bit more Ice types.

    • @Magic_Ice
      @Magic_Ice 4 місяці тому +7

      We literally just got 2 of the most broken ice types this gen and an entire rework to hail

    • @Oreca2005
      @Oreca2005 4 місяці тому +8

      @@Magic_Icearticuno won a regional
      So we are in a stable point with ice types

    • @groudonmario
      @groudonmario 4 місяці тому +7

      Now they just need to give bug a buff so it isn't inherently worse than other types

    • @colinbrown74
      @colinbrown74 4 місяці тому

      @@Magic_Ice I didn’t say more good Ice types, I said a good bit more Ice types. As in, just more of them. It is still a very rare type.

    • @Magic_Ice
      @Magic_Ice 4 місяці тому +2

      @@colinbrown74 and honestly they should stay rare. in nature ice is an incredibly rare thing, only happening during specific parts in the year or only at the far edges of the planet. It’s not as common as water or ground or plants. It should be rare because ice is incredibly fleeting and fragile. If it was super strong and common then it would lose any thematic connections it has to ice.

  • @dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668
    @dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668 4 місяці тому +16

    See, the opposite happened with Phoenix in Monster Rancher. In Monster Rancher 2, there were a few Phoenix sub-breeds you could have access to, but in Monster Rancher 3, there WERE no sub-breeds. When they returned in 4, there are no Phoenix sub-breeds for other monsters, and the Phoenix itself had 2 in its main breed. Very lame if you ask me. Phoenix isn't even as good as dragon types are in Pokemon.
    Honestly, I wouldn't mind if we took a step back and had more non-dragon type legendaries.

  • @phantom_games6500
    @phantom_games6500 4 місяці тому +197

    If we got a dragon starter then we would need a fairy type starter.

    • @RabblesTheBinx
      @RabblesTheBinx 4 місяці тому +49

      Really, you'd need all three starters to be dragon-type

    • @duyanhpham9227
      @duyanhpham9227 4 місяці тому +16

      But since dragon attacks are only strong against dragons and nothing else you couldn’t form a balanced triangle that way

    • @khushalshah8743
      @khushalshah8743 4 місяці тому +23

      All three dragon types with second typing fire/water/grass

    • @devilrider39000000
      @devilrider39000000 4 місяці тому +6

      ​@@duyanhpham9227U could if u play around with the Dual types like the Gen 4 starters. Or just save the trouble and put a Dragon starter in a legends game since the starters don't interact with each other at all.

    • @DarkEclipse23
      @DarkEclipse23 4 місяці тому +18

      We did technically have a fairy starter. However the issue stands that the first three starters have to have some relevance to the first half of the game in terms of gyms.

  • @ClaptonsWig
    @ClaptonsWig 4 місяці тому +159

    Alolan Exeggutor gained the dragon typing cause it was based off of being a palm tree that produced DRAGON fruit. Be like if they gave Yanmega the dragon typing for being a DRAGONFLY but for whatever reason chose not to

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому +30

      I know there’s lore behind it but I mean it’s still a pun which is way goofier than previous gens

    • @eljordinio7647
      @eljordinio7647 4 місяці тому +3

      Yes but dragon fruit has no draconic traits does it

    • @googleeatsassdude
      @googleeatsassdude 4 місяці тому +16

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not the dragon fruit but the Dragon (Blood) Tree it's based on, which has veins that resemble "dragon's blood" supposedly. More draconic and a cool way if incorporating the type.

    • @Reluxthelegend
      @Reluxthelegend 4 місяці тому +11

      It is because the Japanese word for dragonfly doesn't has dragon in it.

    • @MadMalMan
      @MadMalMan 4 місяці тому +9

      Yanmega is a bit if a sting, still one of my favourite designed pokemon of all time and great fun to use but yeah, it evolves into a big dragonfly when it discovers its ancient power and becomes..... another bug flying

  • @joopvanhedel1372
    @joopvanhedel1372 4 місяці тому +25

    Gen 9 has a lot of dragon types but not bad ones. With 2 legendries. a dragon connected to that legendry's. a special 590 base stat paradox form. 3 legendary paradox forms. 2 cross gen evolution one of them has the stats of a pseudo legendary. And a strong gimmick pokemon

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому +2

      Absolutely, tatsugiri the goat though

  • @CreepyJournals
    @CreepyJournals 4 місяці тому +25

    Pokémon fans in a nutshell:
    “We don’t have enough dragon types!”
    (Adds more dragons)
    “Grrrr too many dragons!”

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому +9

      Did you watch till the end? I said in the video I’m very happy with all the new dragons!

    • @AttmozGlaishur
      @AttmozGlaishur 4 місяці тому +5

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@FargusPhilPokémon fans in a nutshell: Did you watch till the end? I said in the video I’m very happy with all the new dragons!

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому +2

      @@mipho5899 I didn't really diss many of the pokemon themselves (except exeggutor Ill give it up) I just explained what was rare is now common and that I think that's pretty cool cause I love like all dragon types :)

    • @JayceCH.
      @JayceCH. 3 місяці тому

      Pokemon fans dont know what they want. They go as far as to call roster bloat as a political movement.

    • @woopzbruh-p3r
      @woopzbruh-p3r 26 днів тому

      ​@@JayceCH.The great Dexit Revolution of '19 divided the fandom fr fr 😔

  • @devilrider39000000
    @devilrider39000000 4 місяці тому +23

    The super rod isn't really a late game item, its a mid game item that the player can actually obtain earlier than expected. And theoretically u have unlimited amount of time in the Kanto safari zone because the game doesn't count time, it counts the player's steps.

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому +3

      I suppose so, but I'm thinking of it in the context of when the game's released and we didn't have the internet as a guide to know where everything was.

  • @sleepdeep305
    @sleepdeep305 4 місяці тому +5

    You get an unlimited amount of time in the safari zone, you can fish for dragonair till your heart’s content

  • @Spizzles
    @Spizzles 4 місяці тому +5

    Fun fact, in the same game where you can get Noibat early game (USUM) you have a 1% chance to run into Bagon on ROUTE THREE. Furthermore, that Bagon has a 1% chance to SOS a level 2-3 SALAMENCE. Meaning its possible to get Salamence on route 3 in USUM

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому +3

      I remembered halfway through editing lol, wish I’d had it in the script cause that was insane

  • @AudioGAWD
    @AudioGAWD 4 місяці тому +2

    Me, buying Game Corner coins until I had enough to buy a Dratini in Pokemon Blue.

  • @SproingBoing
    @SproingBoing 4 місяці тому +25

    I remember when Dragons were so rare starting back in Gen 1 that it wasn't until late Gen 2 when I figured out their weakness when I visited Earl's Pokemon Academy in Stadium 2 to learn more about type matchups.
    Nowadays you can't go 5 steps out of town without tripping over a Dragon, in some cases literally like with Applin

    • @Scramblefred2399
      @Scramblefred2399 4 місяці тому

      Hahaha you went to school? Nerd

    • @kannan07
      @kannan07 4 місяці тому +6

      I don't get your point considering the fact that there are a grand total of 15 non psuedo/legendary dragon type species

    • @blomst1277
      @blomst1277 4 місяці тому +3

      Most pokemon typing were rare in gen 1. even ghost type were rare.

  • @BrendanT-n2w
    @BrendanT-n2w 3 місяці тому +1

    Banger video! Loved hearing your perspective.
    I think Dragon-type in Gen 1 was a gameplay balance addition moreso than a special, legendary type to show off to your friends at recess.
    You can find some dragons throughout your adventure, like Charizard, Gyarados, or Aerodactyl, but then Lance pulls out a monster that resists Grass, Water, and Fire. In one of the final fights of the game, your ability to determine the weaknesses and resistances of newly encountered Pokémon is tested.
    I personally just don't think GAME FREAK was stingey to maintain an image of prestige, or at the very least, this wasn't considered before gameplay considerations.

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  3 місяці тому +2

      that's a really interesting way of thinking about it! I like your interpretation a lot!

  • @zefjansen5011
    @zefjansen5011 4 місяці тому +34

    I miss the status dragon type had before Fairy got introduced.

    • @Stickytacos666
      @Stickytacos666 4 місяці тому +4

      They needed to be balanced tho

    • @seegurke-bd3yr
      @seegurke-bd3yr 4 місяці тому +9

      Dragons were way too strong. Fairy Made Sense...

    • @devilrider39000000
      @devilrider39000000 4 місяці тому +15

      ​@seegurke-bd3yr I don't think the typing itself is strong. To me the problem was GF couldn't stop slapping the Dragon type onto every legendary and Pseudo.

    • @seegurke-bd3yr
      @seegurke-bd3yr 4 місяці тому

      @@devilrider39000000 yeah that's right i hate it

    • @bajanyaoikaizer6902
      @bajanyaoikaizer6902 4 місяці тому +2

      They could have made Steel and Bug super effective on and resist dragons.

  • @TheWesinatorvids
    @TheWesinatorvids 4 місяці тому +21

    It’s interesting to note that the “Dragon-type renaissance” of Gen 6 was actually very intentional as a response to the Gen 5 competitive scene. They said in an interview that Fairy-type was introduced because Dragon-types were getting to be unfairly overpowered compared to the other types, and they wanted to balance that out. I can imagine that making it more commonplace amongst the types probably went right along with that.
    Also, as for what kind of Dragon-type I’d like to see in the future, let’s just say I’m working on a Dragon-type Fakemon that I absolutely love but I know Pokémon fans will hate.

  • @theprinceofawesomeness
    @theprinceofawesomeness 4 місяці тому +4

    I think about Dragon Type as being the "powerful" type. There are several pokemons that are dragons who don't have that typing so it certenly means that the typing is kind of missnamened

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому

      I can totally see that, mons like goomy and applin definitely break that mold though

  • @nocturnalglalie4380
    @nocturnalglalie4380 4 місяці тому

    7:55 what if there was a route 1 bug that first evolved at level 15 to a pokemon with beedrills stat total, but then at level 60 evolved again into a bug dragon type, and you learn that it’s actually the game’s pseudo legendary the whole time

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому

      that's actually an insane idea, very creative!

  • @marvalice3455
    @marvalice3455 4 місяці тому +4

    It's not just dragons. In gen six on, a lot of tge design philosophy of Pokemon feels really different. The longer the series goes on, the more ut feels like they don't really care about a Pokemons identity, only about hype

    • @piratehunterzoro6
      @piratehunterzoro6 4 місяці тому +1

      What does this even mean, how is a Pokemon like Avalugg, Clawitzer, or even Shiinotic considered hype?

  • @cachorodovizinhodojoaquim6945
    @cachorodovizinhodojoaquim6945 4 місяці тому +2

    Fun fact, the ice type is (as of gen9) the type with the least amount of pokemon

  • @rjtotal5912
    @rjtotal5912 4 місяці тому +3

    6:51 you say that the evolutions of old pokemon are the only new pokemon introduced with the dlc. The Poltchageist family, ogerpon, the lousy trio, terapagos, and pecharunt are not dragons and they were introduced with the dlc

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому

      I meant to specify indigo disk my b. I guess terapagos too but its legendary so I guess I didn't think of it since we knew it was coming

  • @pueohoot543
    @pueohoot543 4 місяці тому +4

    Bug Dragon let’s go! 🔥

  • @haroldbaluyottan
    @haroldbaluyottan 3 місяці тому +1

    Just wanna say i discovered dratini within my first playthru of yellow but never got to levelling it to dragonite due to child me not knowing grinding

  • @Nameless_mixes
    @Nameless_mixes 4 місяці тому +1

    It’s kind of crazy to think that all of the newer types (Dark, Steel, Fairy) have been added onto starters. But no Dragon (excluding Mega Charizard and Mega Sceptile).
    I’m kind torn on this. On one hand, I do like how many Dragon types have been restricted to the mid, late, and post games as to keep you from catching them early and stream rolling through the game. I remember playing Y and only using the Gible I caught. It was over level 90 by the time I reached Diantha. And with Violet, I caught a Bagon early on and used Salamence to basically sweep the game. That’s basically what’s happening right now in my play through of Gen 7 too. I really don’t think they should have been available so early. But I’ve always been fine with things like Noibat being available early on because it’s really weak until it evolves. Even after it does, it’s still pretty weak for that point in the game and just relies on its speed. So yeah, Dragons being held off on usually makes them feel worth the journey.
    On the other hand, I’ve wanted the first gym to be a Dragon one for a while. Between Gen 5 introducing a gym with multiple leaders to put you at a type disadvantage and Gen 6 introducing the Fairy type, I think having a Dragon type gym first is a cool idea. It resists all of your starters’ STAB attacks. And if they made it start in an icy part of the region, it would teach you that you have to catch mons if you want an easy win. I’d want then to make it that at least one or two Dragon lines would be obtainable after beating the gym leader so the player could wield them for themselves. But maybe not psuedo legendary strength quite yet. More along the lines of Noibat or Horsea.
    Idk. It feels like Dragons have become less of an award for making it far into your journey and more of an handout just to further lessen the difficulty of these games. I think Game Freak’s been having a little difficulty in finding the right balance between making the games challenging and making them quick to get through ever since they moved the the 3DS. And that’s impacted the lore of some mons and types.

  • @sayaztv
    @sayaztv 4 місяці тому +1

    In Alola you can get a Salamance with a Level in the single Digits via SOSing.

  • @Theserperiortrainer497
    @Theserperiortrainer497 4 місяці тому +5

    Its a wyrm....also eternatus is literally meant to be the corrupted hand of god he is awesome.

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому +1

      Yup I absolutely know why they’re dragon it’s just that they are goofier than previous dragons.

    • @AttmozGlaishur
      @AttmozGlaishur 4 місяці тому

      Serperior Fan? PERRY the Serperior Trainer?

  • @JaculaDudek
    @JaculaDudek 4 місяці тому +13

    They were rare because they were invincible - now since everything can kill them there is no reason to keep them rare

    • @mewion6774
      @mewion6774 4 місяці тому +3

      They were never invincible lmao. Dragonite, and for some reason like 80% of all pre gen-4 dragons were 4x weak to ice, a common attacking type.

    • @iantaakalla8180
      @iantaakalla8180 4 місяці тому

      I like that after they made Dragon-types more common, suddenly there were very few new x4 weak Dragon types. So far, they would have been the Deino line after Fairy was introduced, the Noibat line, Zygarde, the Jangmo-o line, and finally the Applin line, though Appletun gets Thick Fat to reduce x4 Ice weakness to x2 Ice weakness. Ice just isn’t as much of a weakness to Dragon-types overall across the board.
      Even then, the Deino line has Zweilous and Hydreigon, powerful attackers, Noibat line is supposed to be frail in return for speedy Boombursts, Zygarde is supposed to increase in strength, Kommo-o is supposed to be a set-up sweeper that has at least one major weakness, and the evolutions of Applin save Hydrapple are supposed to be a bit middling.

    • @illshado
      @illshado 4 місяці тому

      ​@@mewion6774
      so? 💀 ice was the worst type by far defensively so it didn't mattter, they'd get outsped and 1 shot 90% of the time

    • @Jin-lp5lt
      @Jin-lp5lt 4 місяці тому

      ​@illshado That's dumb af. Quit talking like you know anything

    • @Jin-lp5lt
      @Jin-lp5lt 4 місяці тому

      @@illshado very delusional way to look at it

  • @BepisQueen
    @BepisQueen 4 місяці тому +1

    I’ve held this idea for many years, that they could easily do a starter trio where all of the final evolutions gain the dragon type, and it’d be cool as hell. Or maybe make the pikaclone Electric/Dragon. The early route bug tho is also a fun idea. I hope don’t make TOO many dragon type Pokemon but I’d love for them to bring the type into roles that they haven’t touched yet

    • @BepisQueen
      @BepisQueen 4 місяці тому

      Thank you to whoever liked my comment and made me realize I said fire instead of dragon

  • @simmie912
    @simmie912 3 місяці тому

    Gatekeeping so many strong mons behind the dragon typing was one of the reason why fairy was strong from the moment of its introduction. If fairy only counters like, bug, no one would give a shit. It was clear that dragon was a very unbalanced typing and the devs had been trying to undo that over the years.

  • @misterzygarde6431
    @misterzygarde6431 4 місяці тому +1

    TBH, I feel like they could’ve gotten away with making Grovyle and Sceptile Grass/Dragon considering that Starters can’t be caught in the wild and requires trading to obtain outside the one you chose.
    Also it’d be cool if we had two pseudo-legendaries like in Gen 3. One could be a dragon type like expected and the other could lack that typing. Like a Water/Dark hippo, a Grass/Electric evolution to a regional form of Deino based off the Potato, etc.

  • @Okpikachu8388
    @Okpikachu8388 4 місяці тому +1

    You know what even rarer than Dragon types? A pure flying type, which there's only 3 of them. Tornadus, Rookidee and Corvisquire.

  • @eljordinio7647
    @eljordinio7647 4 місяці тому +3

    I'm glad dragons aren't rare. It was stupid to treat them as barely there in first two gens the way they did

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому +1

      100%

    • @eljordinio7647
      @eljordinio7647 4 місяці тому +1

      @@FargusPhil I think Gyarados, Aerodactyl and Charizard all should have been dragon types from the beginning. And they should have introduced at least 4 dragon type evolutionary lines in Johto

  • @rockowlgamer631
    @rockowlgamer631 4 місяці тому +1

    I'd prefer they keep the boatload of dragon types to a minimum to keep them special when they're introduced, that also goes for pseudo legendaries. Since gen 4 we've had pseudo legendary dragon types the whole time. I'd wish they'd give us some more cooler ones like Tyranitar who lasted a LONG time in competitive and Metagross who just looks so cool for a Steel/Psychic type.
    Unless the next gen's pseudo legendary is a Bug/Dragon type, I want something different.

  • @M3rtyville
    @M3rtyville 3 місяці тому

    I think Gen 3 was where the shift took place, Gen 4 showed the problem with adding more overly powerful dragons and Gen 5 with making too many of them to the point Fairy Type had to be introduced. Fairy Typing itself demoted the 'rarity' of older Dragon Types as they lost a lot of things that made them unstoppable: Dragon Spam. Which is why many of the broken Dragons go for Flying SPAM instead or get outclassed.
    Again, short summary:
    Gen 1:
    - Dratini line: hard to obtain, hard to train, no STAB balanced out by the wide movepool of colorful weather manipulating moves and Agility + Wrap + Hyperbeam
    Gen 2:
    - Kingdra: powerful dragon that can only be obtained through trade and a very specific item, has only 1 weakness, no Dragon STAB worth using as offensive Dragon Type moves are still not good
    Gen 3:
    - Flygon: fast powerful dragon with good STAB coverage balanced by the lack of physical special split and limited physical coverage, has ok special movepool, great typing, great ability. Way too easy to obtain for the amount of power you get
    - Altaria: easiest dragon type so far balanced by awful offensives, can run any type of offensive set due to good movepool of the dragon type
    - Bagon line: balanced by the lack of good physical stab, still good offensive movepool, great defenses especially through Intimidate, first competitively notable Dragon Type
    - Lati@s twins: roaming post game legendaries which take planning to catch, massive Special Attack allowing them to take advantage of their massive special movepool, balanced by bad iv glitch (except when optained through South Island or Emerald)
    - Rayquaza: held back by the lack of good STAB to fully take advantage of it, MEWTWO stats, high level, hard to reach, amazing movepool, good ability to check 2 Pokemon that will define many tournaments where Rayquaza will be legal
    Gen 4:
    - Gible: balance? What is that? Outrage got buffed to 120. Physical Special split happened, thus Dragon Moves have powerful physical moves. Insanely fast. Very accessable. Pretty low Evolution level for Pseudo (perhaps the earliest evolution level of all pseudoes?), insane speed, Dragon and Ground have near perfect coverage... with Fire it is perfect... can you guess what coverage Garchomp has? Can learn Sword Dance. Can slap Special Moves because its lowest stat is still 80 base Special Attack and it learns a lot of high base power special moves.
    - Dialga, Palkia and Giratina: Do I need to mention anything? Their stats are in a way they can pretty much any set. Dialga and Palkia have insane coverage and high base power moves. Their typing at the time give them amazing defensive utility and make them hard to kill. Giratina offers great utility due to its Ghost typing and Shadow Sneak.
    - Arceus: Unobtainable through normal gameplay. In Dragon Form, it offers waste coverage, amazing stats taking advantage of Dragon Types massive offensive capabilities as only 1 type resists it and that type is weak to Ground and Fire (types for which Arceus has high base power coverage for on both attacking sides)
    Gen 5:
    - Axew line: Insane mid game Pokemon, seemingly balanced by the lack of Fire Type moves, easy evolution requirement for the power you get, needs only 2 moves to break through everything, has great support moves in Dragon Dance and Sword Dance, good speed, highest non-legendary attacking stat in 147 at the time
    - Durridigon: 1 stage slow dragon type with great abilities for any role you want to use it for.
    - Deino line: takes the most investment to get the final form, has stellar coverage, really fast
    - Reshiram and Zekrom: Perfect STAB coverage Reshiram with an ability that even Heatran makes it impossible to stop and the Kyogre and Lugia Killer Zekrom. They would fall off later generations but their high base power moves and dragon STAB carry them pretty much.
    - Kyurem: Balanced by awful Ice Typing making it weak to common types, 2nd highest stats in its fusion forms, delivers the highest amount of Dragon Damage (except to Outrage from Hustle Zweilos)
    Up to gen 5, dragons are too accessible, have high base power moves, barely anything can switch into them due to few pokemon resisting Dragon. If only a handful where Dragons and didn't have so many advantages, then DragMag teams wouldn't be a thing. To justify more 'lesser' dragon types to exist, Fairy Type was introduced. Now Dragon is no longer a 'rare' type

  • @groudonmario
    @groudonmario 4 місяці тому +1

    I do think that dragon types dont have to be inherently rarer, now that they arent being balanced around being an inherently better type than the rest

  • @AnonDudeBro
    @AnonDudeBro 2 місяці тому

    I don’t think that fairy type is really to blame for Dragons downfall, I just think a lot of people treat it as a scapegoat when truthfully Dragon is still a great typing in the meta.
    Fairy being immune makes sense and was reasonable to how powerful Dragon was, especially considering that the majority of Dragons have a crazy good movepool that works around the fairy immunity anyways.
    I support “special” types, but I don’t think the only Special type should be Dragon, I just think the reasonable fix is to just ALSO have Fairy be a special and rare type (which makes a lot of sense to me anyways considering that fairy = magic and myths anyways)
    Fairy is a strong type because of its general lack of resistances that make it a good jack-of-all-trade special type that can hit most types for neutral.

  • @SuperbGorilla
    @SuperbGorilla 4 місяці тому +3

    I once drew an early game rodent that e at roughly level twenty turned scaly, idk why, and was dragon type

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому

      That's Awesome! I love fakemon ideas that do things we've never seen

    • @SuperbGorilla
      @SuperbGorilla 4 місяці тому

      And a couple of days ago I drew a hamster with a metal ball, first steel normal mon, and it's called slamster

  • @TheStaticJedi
    @TheStaticJedi 3 місяці тому

    What would be kinda cool is if there was a main series game where the region had nothing but dragon Pokémon. The starters, your rival, the gym leaders, everyone had different dragon Pokémon throughout the whole game. Except for the final gym leader and champion (maybe even an Elite 4 member), they would be from another region and all use fairy type Pokémon. I feel like that would make that game pretty hard because everyone you face off against would be evenly matched because you both have counters to each others Pokémon. And the toughest battles would require some serious strategy to get through

  • @Churdizard
    @Churdizard 4 місяці тому +1

    Could you do a video like this but about the Steel type? (That's my fav type)

  • @AutumnWoodham
    @AutumnWoodham 4 місяці тому +1

    Charizard not being a dragon type is due to the fact that it would be incredibly unbalanced for the starters

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому

      True which is why it makes it unlikely we’ll see a dragon starter unless they make the whole trio to where they’re primary type is neutral on each other, which is hard to envision

  • @gabriele5298
    @gabriele5298 2 місяці тому

    I especially liked Cyclizar. A modern version of Koraidon, yet not as futuristic as Miraidon. Not powerful like them too, as it looks like the motorcycle one can use for daily utilization

  • @BrotherHood-xh9sg
    @BrotherHood-xh9sg 4 місяці тому

    Too be fair, Gyrados should have been a dragon type in gen 1.
    And you can even make the argument for the starters. Charizard (Giant flying fire lizard), Venusaur (Dragon toad looking guy) & Blastoise (Dragon turtle).

  • @jessehutchings
    @jessehutchings 3 місяці тому

    The addition of fairies and the obnoxious amount of dragons 4x weak to ice and fairy moves has HEAVILY injured dragons overall

  • @kunik61
    @kunik61 4 місяці тому +1

    Because there is an unwritten rule in monster game franchises that dragons.should have a special place in it.

  • @Dolliv5
    @Dolliv5 4 місяці тому

    I don’t think adding more dragons was the problem, but rather how with the open world you can just find tons of them just hanging out in groups. It felt kinda odd in sword and shield to just bike up to a Salamance, throw a quick ball, and leave.
    I feel like this applies to fully evolved Pokémon being wild in general.

  • @mgeezylaslo7054
    @mgeezylaslo7054 4 місяці тому +1

    It's more of a rarity to find actual good bug pokemon

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому

      LMAO kricketune fans in shambles

  • @thedog-random
    @thedog-random 3 місяці тому

    I wanna see a sea lion that is a dragon type and it can turn into a giant leg that kicks you

  • @Otherfox-be9up
    @Otherfox-be9up 4 місяці тому +1

    5:04 you can catch a garchomp instantly by sequence breaking in sv

  • @TheOSTLobby
    @TheOSTLobby 3 місяці тому

    Which is nuts, cause as of gen 9, ice types now have the least type of Pokémon (sitting at 58) which makes up exactly 5.66% of the total Pokédex.

  • @moist_blue
    @moist_blue 3 місяці тому +1

    I really wish dragon and fairy types were rare.

  • @user-AADZ
    @user-AADZ 4 місяці тому

    Normalize dragons being common, think about those players who want to do a playthrough only with dragons but couldn't find any since the only ones are in the late game.

  • @DigiRangerScott
    @DigiRangerScott 3 місяці тому

    I love how open-minded this is, embracing the weird and quirky, assuring that nothing about them is “ruined”

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  3 місяці тому

      Thanks! I love the way that dragon types have been evolving

  • @nikaoharbour6962
    @nikaoharbour6962 4 місяці тому +1

    Spending an hour in the safari zone for Dratini or maybe dragonair smh yall new players dont know 😂

  • @trickstercj4366
    @trickstercj4366 4 місяці тому

    Honestly I believe that most of these mons pre Gen 3/early Gen 5 were way too rare despite being balanced by the fact that their super strong final forms require late game levels.
    They would make a perfect parallel to bug types being early game mons that evolve quickly but fall off late to mid game. Vs. Dragons and pseudos who are powerful late game but are borderline dead weights early game.
    It's why I loved trapinch, gible, and noibat. But left constantly frustrated with mons like beldum, larvitar (Ik not dragons but still applies) , and deino.
    It would be interesting to hear stories about players ditching these mons early on because of how bad they started out only to run into a npc with the ditched mon's final form defeating their team

  • @AudioGAWD
    @AudioGAWD 4 місяці тому

    In gen 6 when i encountered an Absol and Bagon in the same area, I lost it thinking they were rareish but then I looked up Fairy types...

  • @twangerrrrrr
    @twangerrrrrr 4 місяці тому +1

    nice video. off topic but im guessing you used capcut to edit the video

  • @nugget2510
    @nugget2510 4 місяці тому

    Yeah I mean, I would assume there would be more dragon types as more games came out.....

  • @teo2805
    @teo2805 4 місяці тому

    You forgot Salamence in Alola. It can spawn on SOS for Bagon as early as one of the paths of the first route.

  • @elin111
    @elin111 4 місяці тому

    Artificial scarcity by low encounter rates was one of the worst things in the old games good riddance to that shit.
    Pokmeon that take so freaking long to reach the final stage that by the time they do the game is practically over is also very stupid don't miss that at all either.

  • @Fernando-rj7se
    @Fernando-rj7se 4 місяці тому +1

    Isn’t Bagon available on route 3 in Pokémon Sun & Moon

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому

      It is! Realized it during editing after writing the script but I threw in some b roll of it right at the end. And you can SOS to get salamence too at like level 10 or something which is insane

  • @Rasenganplanet
    @Rasenganplanet 3 місяці тому

    The franchise desperately needs to use generic Pokémon far more often. We have dozens lines of generic birds, of bugs, of mammals, of fish, of reptiles, and even quite a few generic rock and elemental Pokémon.
    We could have an 400+ Pokémon that are just the generic mammal/bug/fish/bird/grass/rock Pokémon.
    Seeing other Pokémon could be more of a treat with only a one or two an area initially. Dragons and legendaries could be things that exist at the bottom of late game dungeons or tied to plot.
    Even ghost/steel/psychic/dark/fairy should be less common.
    But Gamefreak is too inept and won’t do it. They’ll take the short term excitement and shove powerhouse and fan favorite Pokémon everywhere, demystifying them along the way.

  • @LrrOfOmicronPersei8
    @LrrOfOmicronPersei8 3 місяці тому

    Anyone else get like 1% bagon with the 1% salamance joining in to help back in sun/moon?

  • @DarkEclipse23
    @DarkEclipse23 4 місяці тому +3

    In fairness the increase of dragons was the same problem Ghost type had. Why have ghost or dragon specialists when half their team are 3 of the same pokemon?

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому +1

      ikr its always so annoying that they did that

  • @MrBleachshorts
    @MrBleachshorts 3 місяці тому

    now a piece of sushi can be a dragon type 💀

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  3 місяці тому

      Tatsugiri my goat I love him

  • @phantom_boii
    @phantom_boii 4 місяці тому +1

    Tatsugiri is Water/Dragon not Poison/Dragon

  • @georgeelliott6877
    @georgeelliott6877 3 місяці тому

    More dragons=more money.

  • @DatBoiSaint
    @DatBoiSaint 3 місяці тому

    Dragons in the Bible.
    Dinosaur wasn't added into the dictionary until 1841.

  • @SeaSudsy
    @SeaSudsy 4 місяці тому

    I hope the gen 10 box legendaries are fairy/dragon and bug/dragon

  • @marvalice3455
    @marvalice3455 4 місяці тому

    The fact that tatsugiti is dragon but Charizard is not is a crime.

  • @anglure3617
    @anglure3617 4 місяці тому

    Honestly I think the same could be said about the Psychic type

    • @lium24
      @lium24 4 місяці тому

      Psychic wasnt rare in the first place

    • @anglure3617
      @anglure3617 4 місяці тому

      @@lium24 well not as much as dragon but it definitely felt a lot more "special" than it does nowadays especially with how widely distributed it is

  • @casper_z1259
    @casper_z1259 4 місяці тому

    I don't mind fairy types but they gave them to many resistances. They should make it at least weak to dark and grass types immune since fairies tend to get whooped by evil in fairytails and tend to live in woodlands.

    • @Nosretep
      @Nosretep 4 місяці тому +1

      Bug and Ice should resist Fairies.

  • @warnado5007
    @warnado5007 4 місяці тому

    Simple answer -
    Dragon type used to be the best type by far.
    Now it's pretty much just mid (at best) It just really isn't that good of a type when you think about it. It's mostly the dragons themselves that are strong.

  • @footfeetus1837
    @footfeetus1837 3 місяці тому

    Did you mean to say tatsugiri is the same type as Palkia?

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  3 місяці тому

      Nah I was just saying that both are dragon types

  • @marmackerel
    @marmackerel 4 місяці тому

    Ill never forgive swsh for the dragon type slander, as seen with altaria, noivern, tortunador, dragon types can be any type of species as long ad they look cool/refined, but a friggin building pokemon??!!?? Probably my no. 1 most hated pokemon to date, applin was not leagues better but at least it was bearable to look at
    The paldea seudo is kinda ugly too tbh 💀

  • @madnessarcade7447
    @madnessarcade7447 4 місяці тому

    5:47 Alina exeggutor is dragon type because of dragon fruit

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому

      Yep I know but it’s a pun which is goofy lmao

  • @PieJee1
    @PieJee1 4 місяці тому

    Isnt the japanes translation for dragon type not something related to dinosaurs?

  • @uwillnevernoewhoiam
    @uwillnevernoewhoiam 4 місяці тому

    I disliked that pseudo legendaries are so easy to find in this game. The only rare one was the baxcaliber line. Originally they were supposed to be super rare because they were really strong. Now there are mass outbreaks of them every couple of days

  • @soupyvibes6170
    @soupyvibes6170 4 місяці тому +1

    I’ve been thinking this as well, it bothers me a lot honestly. I also think it’s crazy that you can get I think every pseudo, which makes them feel way too common for something that is too powerful

    • @piratehunterzoro6
      @piratehunterzoro6 4 місяці тому

      2 of the pseudo lines were locked behind DLC’s for SV and SWSH also I think with Dexit ppl are more happy to see all the pseudos in the game. Ig it just boils down to personal preference. I personally like all of them being available.

  • @gbeaver57
    @gbeaver57 4 місяці тому

    I honestly don’t like using dragon. Mostly because it only is super effective against other dragons which are really rare in play throughs.

  • @codyshirey3468
    @codyshirey3468 3 місяці тому

    Wait what Charizard was always dragon i thought u could learn dragon moves

  • @gustavoburciaga6200
    @gustavoburciaga6200 4 місяці тому +1

    I’m tired of all these pseudo legend dragons. Like damn man, let it go! I want more pseudos like Metagross!

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому +2

      Same! Though tbh I like a lot of dragon pseudos, I’d love to get both a dragon pseudo and non dragon one every gen

  • @Screamingrift
    @Screamingrift 3 місяці тому

    You said you’d explain why!

  • @babblingbook7027
    @babblingbook7027 3 місяці тому

    7:12 Tatsugiri doesn't have the same type as Eternatus

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  3 місяці тому

      They’re both dragon type!

    • @babblingbook7027
      @babblingbook7027 3 місяці тому

      @@FargusPhil Oh, I thought you meant literally the same type completely! Maybe Palkia would be an even better comparison (lord of space and sushi)

  • @pn2294
    @pn2294 4 місяці тому +2

    Wait till you hear about how common Eevee is.
    Or being able to catch starters in the wild.

  • @madnessarcade7447
    @madnessarcade7447 4 місяці тому

    Did u know birds are reptiles and they have scales on their legs could be why altaria is dragon type

  • @kerrywien6775
    @kerrywien6775 4 місяці тому

    Since This Video 📹 is About Dragon Types 🐉. My Favorite Legendary Pokémon & Favorite Dragon Type 🐉 is eternatus 🐉💀 The Poison/Dragon 🐉💀 Type Monstrous Legendary Pokémon. As eternatus 🐉💀 Have An Amazing Powers, Lore/Origins, Can Warp Spacetime Like The Creation Trio & Facts: Gen 8 Never Gotten A Third Version Like Gen 6. So Pokémon Legends: Eternatus 🎮 Needs To Happen. And eternatus 🐉💀 is The Third Legendary Pokémon For Gen 8.
    This is Going To Redeem eternatus 🐉💀 So Much & Gives it The Respect it Deserves. Without A Doubt One Of The Best Legendary Pokémons Ever.

  • @Trashloot
    @Trashloot 3 місяці тому

    I like the video but your narrative is so flawed xD. Psychics were way stronger in Gen 1. Ther was also only 1 Ghost Line (3 Pokemons) and 4 ice Pokemons (if im not forgetting anything. Are Ghost Pokemons as mythical as Dragons ? Im sry but you are hyping this up way to much xD. And i never felt like i encountered a legendary when i found a dragon. Otherwise cool video. But you are way to dramatic.

  • @JorgeSomething
    @JorgeSomething 4 місяці тому

    My fav dragon is dragonite and from 3rd gen is flygon!!! 🔥

  • @joelcudjoe3833
    @joelcudjoe3833 4 місяці тому

    I’m sad you never mentioned ultra necrozma since it’s dragon

    • @FargusPhil
      @FargusPhil  4 місяці тому

      Ah I know I love ultra necrozma, it’s so insane. Couldn’t fit in everyone though 😔

  • @Joe-bs6hd
    @Joe-bs6hd 4 місяці тому +2

    Dragons are the main characters and fairy type shouldn't exist.

  • @darthob4869
    @darthob4869 4 місяці тому +1

    They came from your mom! 😂😂😂.............sorry.😞

  • @lukavtino6094
    @lukavtino6094 4 місяці тому

    🎉🎉🎉

  • @khadeir55
    @khadeir55 4 місяці тому

    I really hope they give us a different type of sudo legendary Pokémon we only got Meta and Ttar everything else is literally dragons

  • @takoyakiiii
    @takoyakiiii 4 місяці тому

    From the cool kids 😎 to the cool kids 🤮

  • @aminotarobot7486
    @aminotarobot7486 4 місяці тому

    I'm so sick of dragon pseudo legendaries. Baxcalibur doesn't even feel remotely legendary compared to something like Ursaluna; an ancient bear that is an apex predator and tank. Especially something like blood moon Ursaluna feels just straight up legendary