Why I bought the @Roland
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Why I bought the @Roland #System8 over other poly-synths?
I was in the market for a poly-synth after selling my Roland JP-8000. I look at all the poly-synths available today and finally decided to go for the System-8 from Roland. Why? The sounds, the expansions using Plugout, the sequencer, the Performance mode, the Arpeggiator and more...
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00:00 intro
01:47 The sound
02:07 The synthesis + Plugout
05:08 Surface mode
06:00 System-8 synthesis
07:27 Patch / performance mode
08:26 Memories
08:38 Step sequencer
09:16 arpeggiator
09:30 Vocoder
10:07 Connections
11:06 effects
11:36 sound demo
12:55 conclusion
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The thing I really love about the System 8 is that you can even layer 2 sounds on top of each other without splitting so you basically have 2 System 8's.
Jupiter x can layer four sounds!
Wasn't that one only ABM though?
I bought my System-8 about a year and a half ago, and it was primarily for the plug outs, because it does them exquisitely well. However... since then I also discover the internal system 8 engine and it is phenomenal! There are multiple oscillator modes including a version of FM, formants, etc., and the filter modes are crazy too. This is a serious noise machine.
Also the knob and slider layout is fantastic. As someone who grew up with a DX7 (and I still have it!) I am DONE with synths that require menu diving.
I bought a Sys-8 a couple of years ago primarily for the plug outs too! Now that Roland came out with the Juno 60 plug out, my hopes have been fulfilled. I had a J60 decades ago, but sold and regretted it from about a week later. When the JU-06a was released, in late summer of ‘19, I hoped Roland would release the ACB model of the 60 as a plug out since. Wasn’t interested in buying the Boutique since it was only 4 voices. At a small synth expo I attended shortly after the JU-06a was released, Roland was there showing off that unit as well as the J-Xm, and a couple other goodies. I asked a Roland rep if they’ll do a plug out of the J60. He said it’s likely but couldn’t really confirm. So I had hoped since then, and here we are. I now have the J8, J60 and P3 on board, and am a happy camper.
@@alex_darsen Do you see a big difference in sound compared to the 106?
@@RaniOsnat Yes. The J60 always sounded more rich or warmer than the 106. I hear it in the plug out too - especially when it comes to the strings. I didn’t hesitate to replace the 106 plug out with it.
Roland dropped the ball by not making this with a 5 octave keybed.
@@alex_darsen Yeah, ,I do NOT understand why the Juno boutique is not 6 voices.
Good choice I love my System 8 having the ability to change the plug outs is great. I looked at the Jupiter XM but went with the System 8 for it’s ease of use with knob per function and the way the lights go out depending on which plug out synth you are using is fantastic and no menu diving.
Totally feeling the system 8, my Dad bought me my first synth a 106 in the early 80's, new nothing about it all back then, always liked the look of the Jupiter 8 too, and now we have it all at our finger tips.....WOW! will buy the S8 over the coming weeks thanks N, for all your wonderful vidz, you're the real deal man.
Thanks! Good video but I expected to hear more about why you went with this synth over the others vs. feature-diving on just the 8. Thanks again and I’ll go check out your music now. 😃
Salut Nu-Trix!
Fantastic choice! I was hoping you would eventually get a System-8 and review it! :)
Analog Circuit Behavior is awesome. It's like the "Matrix" of analog electronic instruments :)
Like you said, the System-8 is like having 4 perfectly recreated classic analog synths (including their original characters). If I had to keep only one of all my synth (not an easy question!) it would have to be the System-8 - I just love its rich sound and ease of use.
I am really looking forward to your next videos on this fine synthesizer! Your videos are a great inspiration!
Good choice.It`s very versatile.
I bought my first Roland System-8 today after being skeptical for a long time. I have been playing with it for a few hours and it´s hands on the best sounding VA synth I have ever come across. Roland should strongly keep updating the ACB technology, they have truly blurred the line between analog and digital with the System-8. This is a keeper!!!!
I haven't played mine for a while and was thinking of selling it but I played it and couldn't bring myself to part with it. It really is incredible.
You make it sound so great. I'm getting one.
How good it sounds depends on the user…this video will make you think twice about digital synths and the jupiter X….
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I've had the System 8 for a couple years now. I honestly love it. I got the Jupiter XM a year ago, and together, they round out everything you'd want. Haven't had the chance to try the the Juno 60 plugout. I have the JU-06 A Boutique, So I don't feel the need to replace my JX-3P plugout with it.
Jupiter xm not emulate accurately jupiter and juno series, for a perfect reproduction, system 8 is the right way
It emulates them just fine. In a blind live set 3 of the people who designed them here couldn't even tell the JPX from the original JP-8 some of the time. Considering how much cheaper it is, zencore is a huge step forward.
Totally Agree!
Im a old student of yours from 15 years a go at musitechnic and just found you by hazard on youtube life is funny lol keep the good work my friend :) I remember you teaching us on the Roland JP8000 in class lol
Good times! Good times!
I always create patches in performance mode.yes it's only 4 note polyphony but in layer mode it gives you everything on the panel TWICE, exception being arpeggiator.fantastic synth.
I really love my system 1m but lately i have been using this one on zenology and im almost getting to the point of buying one. This is an enormously good synth engine.
“Why did I wait so long to get the System-8?” 😄
I haven't really done an honest search but when I chose the plug out .. depending on what sound bank im on is what imports. some of those banks only have half or less than half of its slots used. is there an easy way to fill up all the banks when you chose a certain plug out?
Been agonizing for years whether to invest in the System8. For 10 years I have been using the Gaia SH-01 with great success, but not happy with the higher register sound especially in monophonic play. I am well acquainted with ACB tech from my Boutique collection. Tactile control (knob-per-function) digital synths have been extremely rare before the Gaia and Boutiques. JD800 and JP8000 are about all there are in history. So anytime a tactile digital is released I want it, providing the sound is acceptable; sound designing with a menu is something I rarely do. But with a price way over the $1000 mark, been very hesitant. So, I begin thinking about the option of combining two synths for the price of one System8 like a Prologue combined with a Gaia for example. What do you think of the sound quality of the higher registers in both poly and mono play on the System8?
great video , after recently buying an MX1 and T8 , hungry for a system 8 to fill Aria USB slot.none in Australia at the moment....Aria compliance is a winner..
This is a useful you tube for System 8 !
Thanks
the Analog Circuit Behavior modeling is not in the Boutique D-05 (D-50 copy), that is DCB (Digital)
the System-8 is great, I use the poly plugouts with it- I got a used one for cheap, I have the System-1 as well that I use for the mono synth plugouts
the keybed is the weakest part of the Sys-8 but it is cool
With the plug-ins that come with System-8, do you also get the Roland Cloud versions as a free download or do have to purchase them? I'm also interested in the patches that Roland has for the software plug-in. Thanks.
You can have a free trial for the Roland Cloud. I know they have different promotion depending the hardware you buy. I’m not sure what comes with the System-8.
Sad the memory slots are so limited..I think only 60 for each engine....and for whatever reason you can’t save performance mode as a single patch. So it eats up the memory quickly.
Hey Nutrix, how does the System-8's ACB differ from the first 3 Boutiques? (JX-03, JP-08, and JU-06). Thinking of selling my units to upgrade to the S8. Also, are the Plug-Out vst's different from the Plug-Outs inside the S8? I'm wondering if I really should get the S8. It's cause I already have the VSTs, to me it be pointless to have the hardware if it sounds the same as the plug-ins, just thinking 🤔
For what is said by Roland it would be the same technology. I’m not sure it’s the same algorithms (?). They could have improved since the first generation. But I don’t know. I will do a side by side audio video between the system 8 SH-101 plugout and a SH-01a Boutique to see. The software version should have the same sound has the system 8. Again, I could a VS video about it.
@@Nu-trix Nice! Thank you if you will compare. Hopefully there is an audio difference between the three. Looking forward to that video 💯
I believe the Roland Boutique range uses a 44.1kHz sampling rate, whereas the Aira range (including the System-8) uses 96 kHz.
The SH-101 Plug-out is monophonic whereas the Boutique SH-01A is 4 voice polyphonic. It's a pity the SH-101 Plug-out isn't 8 voice poly on the System-8 or at least 4-voice poly (to be compatible with the System-1/1m too).
Hey Mr Synthguy! Great vid! Question: Does it sound better/is the synthesis better than the synth and sounds of the mc- 707 and can you change the color of the LED’s on knobs and buttons? Thanks and have a great summer! /Mack (happy owner of the MODX7, JX-03, OB6, NAUTILUS, MINILOGUE XD, WAVESTATE, JU-06a, PYRAMID)
Hi, I personally prefer the sound of the System 8 over the Mc-707. Still the MC-707 is amazing. The leds are hardwired green. Unless you want to resolder them, they will stay green. You can dim them down to zero if you want.
@@Nu-trix Thanks!
Gate and CV out were a big plus for me.
Hey Nu-Trix, thanks for the great videos. Two years on, any thoughts on going with the System-8 today compared to Zencore based synths like the Juno-X or Jupiter-X? Thanks!
I’m still really like the System 8 sounds and the ease of use.
A modern classic synth, and one which does DAW integration better than any other (along with the System-1). The flawless way in which you can move sounds between the VSTi/Freeze them, edit and keep going, made this a no brainer choice for me (and a System-1 on top). If Roland can do a JP-XA (adding ACB to that form factor/augmenting the Zencore), I think they'd have the greatest synth of the 21st century
Thanks for this overview. I'm contemplating the Jupiter X. What is your opinion of it?
I did this review for the Jupiter XM : @Roland Jupiter-XM - Who is it for? - how does it sound & the I-Arpeggio?
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You seem to know your way around the System 8. I have a question: When powering up, it either comes up on a predefined patch or performance as set in the system settings, or you can select a patch of performance manually. Isn't it possible to power up on the last used patch/performance, like in almost every other synth? At least I haven't found a way to do this which I find quite annoying.
Same here, never found how to assign to booth on the last used memory.
What kind of mic are you using for the vocoder? Mine doesn’t have a 1/4 inch jack, just the one with XLR.
I have an old Akai microphone inherited form my grand father.
Aw man, I wish you'd have kept the JP-8000 for a comparison as far as the Super Saw wave forms go. That would've been nice! Can we get some classic trance saws in future videos?
I have analogue hardware in the Pro 3, Subsequent 37 and Matriarch, and then have a bunch of software, including the full Roland cloud stuff and lifetime keys. So I think I have all the stuff you’re mentioning on there? I’m still struggling to see why I would just do all this in software. Other than the hardware interaction that it. Maybe that’s the point? My rule for hardware is that it has to do stuff the software cannot.... It’s not because I’m an analog purist....
i could see your logic here . but there are a few factors. A. the FPA chips native to the system 8 just handle the software code more efficiently. its really snappy and just works like it should. B. The sequencer on the system 8 is fantastic. C. Real time control with knobs and sliders, it just feels like an analog synth as far as the experience goes. D.. every thing else is preference. but for me i cant stand VST's for a ton of different reasons. like one example is every time i want to reformat my computer i have to reinstall tons of different VST's ... and if i try and load up older songs to work on and i didnt install that ONE vst i forgot about the song wont load and i have to track it down and install it and just uuhg. nah. hardware is always there for you with a lick of the power switch.
I love it mine
Roland’s ACB tech is astonishing.
Bonjour Nutrix, super vidéo comme d'habitude au sujet des synth Roland
Je vais vendre mes boutiques (sh01a, SE-02 et vp03) pour ce system 8 est ce que tu penses que cela peut être une bonne solution ?
Peut on travailler des patch sur pc (sur la route) puis revenir à la maison et les intégrer dans le system 8?
Merci à toi, from France
Bien sûr le System-8 est très flexible et permet de transférer le même patches que celles pour les plugouts compatibles. Il remplace le SH-01a sans trop de problème (même algorithme) mais garde en tête que le SE-02 est un réel synthétique analogique et non un virtuel. De plus, il n’y a pas directement de remplacement exact du SE-02 en plugout non plus pour le VP03. Mais le System-8 possède un vocoder intégré. Il n’est pas identique mais offre tout de même une solution permettant des sonorités semblables avec un accès à plus de plugout selon tes goûts.
@@Nu-trix Je te remercie, toujours aussi rapide et perspicace 🙃
Je connais les capacités de mes machines mais la vie fait que je ne peux plus être chez moi régulièrement et quand j'ai vu le system 8 je me suis interrogé
(J'avais également des vu sur le jdxa mais pour d'autres raisons)
Je trouve l'option tr8s et system 8 super compatible
thx for pronouncing MOOG correctly lol - good work on your video - grew up with korg and roland and miss my JX-3p -
Awesome video! Been thinking about getting this for a while, but just wondering if you know....do you have to have a Roland Cloud subscription active in order to access the different plugouts? And if not, do those different plugout synths come included with the System 8 or do you have to buy separate?
Three PLUG-OUT come with a the System-8. They are part of the factory reset. If you want other plugout and swap them, you will need a Roland cloud account. I have other videos about how the Roland cloud works and choosing and managing the plugouts.
@@Nu-trix Thanks! I'll watch those videos too!
No plugout need. Its can sound like a jp8000..
It looks like a smart buy. I was thinking of finding the smaller one or the module version.
The system-1 and 1m's lights can't be turned off. If that's the kind of thing that doesn't bother you it's fantastic, but it bothered me so much that I ended up letting it go (... but I liked the sound so much that I ended up buying a system-8, so ...).
@@rainbow_mess And the number of patches you can save on the System-1 is criminal.
Nu-Trix After having and using it almost 1 year later, would you still choose the System 8 over the Poly Brute? If so, why?
Yes, I like the sound of it and the option of loading in it 3 different synth emulation on top of the internal synth engine. The performance mode also offers an access to two patches at the same time. And did I say that I love the sound of it.
Funny you mention the Polybrute. I own a Moog Sub 37 and looking to purchase a polyphonic synth and the Polybrute is near the top of my list. Do you own one and whats your thoughts on that keyboard. What would be your goto 6 voice poly synth?
Coming from a Deepmind, which has 1000 preset slots, 4x64 seemed too few. But that was the one weakness for me. I can even have the JX-3P back that I owned in 1984, only with effects and a programmer this time.
Hey man so I have a JP8000 since 2009 and it has gotten to the point where it's old I've been looking for a Roland replacement for it and the system 8 seems to look great but I have a question IDK about you but I have bought a ton of preset patches that sound really cool, my question is can I import JP8000 banks to the system 8??
No, the JP-8000 presets are not compatible with the system-8. If Roland makes a JP-8000 plugout it could be compatible.
@@Nu-trix Where can I sign a petition for the JP8000 plugout‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️😂🤣😂
Great vid! I'm hoping they make a Mk2 that holds more simultaneous plug outs and patches - other than that, this synth is near perfect, and using the plugin as a librarian isn't terrible. You have to get the brushed aluminum side panels from Roland - they make it look like a beast! (there are some bad reviews, but mine looked great, and made it a statement)
System-16 with 5 octaves.. proper keybed with aftertouch.. wheels as well as the joystick (like JD-XA).. 512 patches per plugout at least.. 99 plugout slots.. d-beams.. RGB LEDs so each plugout can have its own character visually.. Roland should fix plugouts like the ProMars to be polyphonic..
@@Wagoo this guy f%cks
Are these plug out systems couldn't work independently without the DAW, as the system-8 hardware synth?
The plugout exist as plugin for you DAW not as a stand alone app.
@@Nu-trix So for plug out synths your System 8 as Maschine mk3 just controller. Is it right?
No the System-8 can run the plugout synth inside It’s own internal CPU. No need of a computer. So you can have the same sound in the studio ( in your computer DAW) and on stage ( in the System-8 synth)
@@Nu-trix Thank you. That's awesome! But could you change that sound inside the synth? And save it like a preset?
@@user-sx2iw2hq3l yes. It becomes a hardware synth that you can play, modify the synthesis and save preset as a stand alone synth.
Nice ! Merci pour ce vidéo ! Est-ce qu'il vient avec des presets inclus ?
Le system -8 a déjà ses propres preset. Et le plugin en offre un peu plus. Roland vend aussi des packs de preset pour environ 10$.
@@Nu-trix Merci !
Can all this be done in a stand alone mode without being connected to the computer? Once your selected plug outs have been chosen of course. Great video!!!!!!
You only need the computer to transfer the selected plug-out in the System-8. The System 8 is a stand alone synth.
@@Nu-trix after 3months of research my top 3 synths were the system 8 the hydra deluxe and the roland vr 730. ifinally made up my mind and got the system 8 last night! thanks for being one of the video guys that does what you do to help keep us all informed!
I'd like to see a System 8+JD-XA comparison🤓
It’s just a great work horse synth with a tonne of options. Ok it’s not perfect but some how still gets the job done!
So how about using it as a controller for non-Roland virtual synths? Have you tried that? Kinda bogus that they came up with the Zencore synth engine right on the heels of the ACB and the two arent compatible. Classic Roland...
Oh yeah, try a basic cheap dynamic mic for better vocoder clarity.
Actually the ACB technology found in The System-8 was originally created in 2014 for the System-1 and reinvested in most of the Boutique series (up to now).
I am also moving on from a JP-8000 to this. It must be meant to be!
Actually it's Sequential now without the Circuits. Dave Smith Instruments is no more.
are the plug-outs free to download if you spend the money on a system 8? or if you buy one 2nd hand, do you get the rights to download them for free, if this is the case?
Only the three included with the System-8 are free. The others are available with a lifetime key or with a membership to the Roland Cloud.
@@Nu-trix thanks for that! Are they expensive?
Sequential has been a real synth company for several years, since Yamaha gave the Sequential name, etc. back to Dave Smith Instruments. Back decades ago, Dave Smith started Sequential Circuits in the 1970s.
Sounds great like all Roland gear
If I get a System 8 would it replace my Boutiques?
It has the same ACB technology,
So yes it could replace boutiques. The limits of the System-8 are 8 voices spread over 2 sounds played simultaneously (upper and lower). Still, the boutiques have some unique things like their own sequencers (each working differently)
hello
System 8 is always cpmpared in jupiter 8 mode. But it'd full power is in system 8 mode.
it’s a great synth by itself
It is NOW once again called Sequential.
Nice choice. I've been wondering if it's worth getting the Jupiter X or the System 8 lots of capabilities between the two. Also you'll be happy to know Dave Smith changed back to Sequential after Yamaha gave him the rights to his original name back 2 years ago.
That is right! I remember reading that but it just didn’t stick in my mind.
why did you get this and not the Jupiter X(m)?
I’ll do another video to compare the 2.
@@Nu-trix Great, looking forward to
I've owned both. Both have their strengths. As much as ABM is "better" than ACB, the Jupiter-X is an amazing sounding synth all around.
@@purpl3t1m3 I think you mean ACB is "better" than ABM
@@alexwestconsulting yeah, that's what I meant!
No Moogs?
I wanted a polyphonic synth with patch memory for less than 2500 Can$
@@Nu-trix true I just got the sub25 it has 16 and the editor 128 is a vst glorious sounds for 700 new for me
system 8 and system 1 are true roland successors of vintage roland synth product line, the whole structures looking pretty similar with jupiter and some mini synth(system 1), it plus more osc and filter, effects, lfo types, arp or seq mod knob,
but the truth not, while you playing with it you can found the internal routing could very complex(ok most users never give enough notice to internal of every synth, it could has huge difference even the synth type was same, and system 8 and system 1, sounding completely different), osc color mod, also working with other like pitch, lfo, to make a complex sound you have never heard before,
to make a future sound, the instruction is, try to use 2 osc, then mod it with flter, pitch mod or lfo(omg sub can be the mod), then choose sync mode(sometimes the ring), then tweak the cross mod to hear, the distinct of it sounds,
then when playing, tweaking lfo, cross mod, and sequencer knob,
however it also has flaws, the build like a plastic toy at that price range, the keybed could be piano like, and do some optimization, the vst plugin could be more efficient, I have many original presets but I don't have that synth actually,
hardware only, price, difficult in sound design, and without amount of 3rd party presets, though it very powerful and ahead, but still can't be popular in modern production market,
the massive x, in similar situation, after the powerful synth released many years ago, you can't found it in any popular works, what happened with the world musician?
On top of that a lot of keyboardist simply are saying they don’t like green lights.;-)
True story: I might just be the guy who bought your JP-8000.
Jp-8000 was the last digital synth I liked from Roland..the supersaw defined a style of trance.
@@MediaMusik777 Many people even today would agree that it STILL defines that sound. You can use a Virus hypersaw or the doublesaw across 3 oscillators on the Supernova 2 / Nova or the multisaws with the Korg MS/Radias series, or the Yamaha AN1x/AN200, or the unison saws from Waldorf or Nord or even the newer Roland synths that have supersaws (V-synth, Gaia, 201, SH-32, System-1 & System-8, etc) or any of the hundreds of variants on plugins - and many get close (especially the Roland System-1 and System-8 and SH-32)
…but NONE quite itch the supersaw JP scratch like the original. I don't know if it's the weird aliasing or the phasing you get unpredictability from it... whatever it is, it's unique. Often imitated, never duplicated!
Could be. Are you in Montreal?
@@Nu-trix No. I bought it from a guy in Montreal.
It must be me! Well ... do you recognize me?
Did I miss the part as to why you sold the JP-8000?
I only need one keyboard synth and the System-8 is a great replacement for it (for my needs)
ACB is (to my knowledge) based on circuit simulation modelling programs.
For example SPICE, an open source circuit modelling program was introduced in 1975 (Wikipedia).
Arturia and other companies have different marketing terms for this, but that is what these three initial supposed technologies are, marketing terms.
There is nothing wrong with marketing and I think Roland is making some nice stuff, but I feel they and other legacy synth companies may struggle in the future.
As one person, or small development team can put out a comparable VST at a much lower price (TAL J-8, I'm looking at you, or Arturia if you want something more mainstream (and slightly more expensive).
Legacy synths possibly will become less desirable too over time.
No doubt younger musicians and producers will get misty eyed over old VSTs and there will likely be a market for reissues of today's Plugins ten to twenty years from now.
You sold a JP8000?? 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Yes, someone else got to enjoy it and I got a new synth!
ACB = Analog Circuit Behaviour.
Tu parles trop ;)
Super synthe quand on le programme
En plus, j’ai fait un effort pour couper du texte. Imagine la version « uncut »!
Wow, the vocoder sounds awful 😖
it just doesnt make sense to me to buy into the roland world in 2022 because youll just end up sounding like a 1990 italian pop musician or even worse, trance. the roland sound is very commercial. the records i was buyinh back then were much more nuanced / nyc house / deep chicago. i know a lot of that sound was based on roland drum machines etc but the synth stuff theyve done mainly appeals to cheap sounding pop dance. its just not credible in 2022.
Trance is still popular Beatport has it so your opinion is mute