22:45 Coverage starts 39:24 QF1 Simon Nielsen; Bant Nadu | Javier Dominguez; Jeskai Control 1:51:43 QF2 Eli Kassis; Bant Nadu | Seth Manfield; Mono-B Necro 2:34:35 QF3 Sam Pardee; Bant Nadu | Jason Ye; Bant Nadu 3:04:11 QF4 Daniel Goetschel; 4C Nadu | Noah Ma; Mono-B Necro 3:26:54 Semifinal 1 4:31:44 Semifinal 2 5:24:07 Finals
When you actually need the sorry MFers to do their job they're out hanging out at the snack bar. Typical of people with authority these days unfortunately.
@@edmundtetch3357 Yeah and wait until you're in the top 8 to cheat too, so that way it can be chalked up too "it's a complicated format and there is alot of pressure on these players."
These guys are pro for a reason. Simon having top 8'd many times should hold one of the highest regards to following rules unless there is an intent to violate the rule. As what happened in the top 8 match, Simon admitted he is unfavored vs. Javier's deck. Doing such GRVs like Endurance shuffling or using Suncleanser ability to target Javier with Ring protection are indications of intent to cheat. Regardless if they are playing casually because they are testing partners or teammates, this is a Pro Tour for crying out loud. Everything you do matters. I've said before and I'm saying again, don't let Simon's goofy looks fool you, he is a goddam CHEATER in the highest and obvious level. HE SHOULD NOT WIN THE PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
@@joe.5103 I meant match, not game game 4 Simon targeted Javier with Suncleanser while Javier had protection from everything via The One Ring, as well as shuffling with Endurance instead of butting the cards on the bottom
I wish coverage had given more time to the Necro deck and player. Maybe this deck was on camera on previous days and I just missed it, but at 15-1 I think it deserved screen time over yet another Nadu mirror. Barely caught game 5 and right before it's conclusion. C'mon guys...
Top 8 decks with 7 decks featuring the one ring in their 75 slots, why is there all the hate for the bird but not the ring? The ring is such a silly card draw engine.
I’d say because even though it is powerful its color flexibility it what really gets it so much play. And can be used in many different decks, as opposed to Bird.
How are the judges not catching these mistakes. If the commentators are seeing them and the judges are not it is ridiculous. The endurance shuffle and one ring target won the games for him.
@@jomaniwan804 Getting protection from The One Ring is a trigger which can be missed. The One Ring being a mandatory trigger is completely irrelevant here. How about you go read about triggers in the MTR and IPG and then get back to me.
Just a observation. I understand Bart has cheated before, but he got immediately disqualified for what was a Tarmogoyf mistake. So how come Nielsen didn't after what he did? He shuffled an entire deck after an Endurance trigger as well as made Dominguez lose the third game (which would have made Javier the decisive winner) because he targeted him with suncleanser while Javier had protection from everything. Seems there is a lot more forgiveness for some players than others. There was also the interaction where they had a stack war over an uncounterable Teferi through delighted halfling. I don't think we should have accepted Nielsen as the winner of that match, too many GRVs were made. They should have rematched, it's disrespectful to Dominguez and us viewers.
"Unlike other types of mistakes, the player controlling the trigger is 100% responsible for it. If you see your opponent make any other type of mistake during a match, you are obligated to call attention to it; ignoring it for your advantage is Cheating. Triggered abilities are the exception. If your opponent misses one, it’s legal for you to say nothing and profit from their mistake. It’s not legal to intentionally ignore your own triggered abilities" at least for the suncleanser, that's not a GRV. I can't speak for the tarmogoyf thing, and the Endurance trigger is probably a warning only but I'm not sure about the exact ruling unfortunately.
@@soprettymuchthatsthewayitis Nielsen indirectly acknowledged he knew Javier had protection from everything though, the commentators specifically pointed out on camera that he didn't attack Javier that same turn. And that interaction was relevant enough to win Nielsen that game to afford him the two more he won to win the round.
@@HealingGourd yep, but he wasn't the person who cast ToR, so it's not on him to remind his opponent. Is it a bit scummy? Probably... But it's not against the rules, "If your opponent misses [a triggered ability], it’s legal for you to say nothing and profit from their mistake"
Also Elidih is really smart, the first thing she said to Simon after he won was "You Can't keep getting away with this" seemed a little familiar to the tone that was used with Bart after he was caught on camera cheating with the wicked role on the Nethergoyf that didn't die.
Furthermore, mixing the graveyard into the deck with endurance drastically reduced Javier's percentage of drawing supreme verdict and winning the match. It's unfortunate since both players are extraordinary, but the match was distorted
They will never game loss the reigning player of the year at Wizards, that is why they waited for a half decade after the cheating of several players from the mid 2000s. We all knew those players were cheating, we all reported it during the GPs and PTs and nothing was ever done. My friend even got a DQ for asking for a deck check on Watanabe and being correct that he presented an illegal deck. They made Yuya find new sleeves and my friend was asked to leave while being undefeated in round 7. Paper magic is a cheaters paradise. Do not attend major events without assuming that players will try to cheat against you.
Is it bc he drew his 2 of suncleanser in all three sideboarded games? Or was it bc he missed the ring trigger on purpose? Or maybe he shuffled javier’s deck so it made it harder to find supreme verdict? Tough to point out which per say
Also a judge stepping in to make sure Nielsen drew a card for draw step right on the heels of "well, Suncleanser shouldn't be able to target into Ring protection, but nothing we can do about it, shrug". Not saying that missing mistakes should be fixed by ignoring more mistakes, but it was unfortunate at the very least.
That’s because he’s allowed to, it’s only the prerogative of the person who owns the card and trigger to remember. Opponents can simply choose to forget and not mention it.
Why did they let him get away with it? This is why having delayed coverage is a bad thing. Simon cheated twice in that game, and i sincerely doubt he hit suncleanser in all three sideboarded games 😔
When The One Ring is played, they should have a token saying a player has protection from everything. In Arena, it is automatic, but in reality this is easily missed like the game with Nielsen and Javier.
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong because I’m not a judge. But at 1:09:56, where Simon tries to stack his triggers so that the Hedge Maze surveil resolves before the ability granted by Nadu, wouldn’t the Nadu trigger go on top of the stack regardless of how the other two triggers (Bristly Bill and Hedge Maze) were ordered?
Simon seems like a cheater. Vs Javier several times tried to make plays like try to deal damage when he had protection. Clearly angle shooting. Would just say ohh just kidding and brush it off.tries to tap mana with dress down active. Shuffles his deck after endurance.People should investigate him. No one whos suppoed to be that good should make so many blunders in one match and hes done this in others.
The nature of the match was rather casual; but it still does not understate the play errors. Multiple multiple GRVs in 5 games including some that were definitely angle-shooting. The ring protection being the most severe and the game should have been backed up. Javier acknowledged the trigger and Simon did too. You just sort of forgot about it 30 seconds later?
@@xoxaxoth5337 you missed the commentary and my comment apparently. The match was very causal as the two are friends and play partners. And that’s why I said despite the casual nature of the match it needed to be judged better.
@@xoxaxoth5337 They are friends. They are partners. You can watch the game and see they weren't in the focused mindset. Simon admitted as much in the interview.
I think that the shuffle after Endurance should be a DQ for Simon. Your opponent is digging for a card and after you put several new cards on the bottom of their deck, against the rules you pick their deck and shuffle, throwing the variance of the roof. You destroyed the game state, giving you a huge advantage doing so.
What you didn't like Top 8 Nadu, Nadu, Nadu, Nadu, Nadu, Necro, Necro, Jeskai Control Top 4 Nadu, Nadu, Nadu, Nadu Finals Nadu, Nadu Winner Nadu So diverse!! ugh
@@HealingGourd Yeah, all the games I watched (every single one), had repeated "mistakes" that could be interpreted as cheating. If anything, many of these players should have been warned multiple times and ended up getting game/match losses.
@@n.b.8572 extremely suspicious considering we had a guy who was immediately disqualified for WAY less (bart with the nethergoyf not actually dead from a phlage helix) He probably cheated I'm not excusing that, but his was way less noticeable and possibly an actual mistake but his bad reputation disqualified him. While we have people like Nielsen deliberately cheating.
to be fair, PTs are always homogenized. With that being said, Nadu is clearly what the majority of these players were expecting to be the best deck lol.
"Simon Nielsen, you can't keep getting away with this man!" Simon, nervously sweating amd crouching over: "apparently I can! Ha... haha." What a poignant choice of words on both sides.
3 MAJOR F-ups because of the complexity of The One Ring. I think its pretty glaring that the card is way over designed and should be banned and/or errated
1080p? Our phones record in 4K! This is impossible to watch on our big screen. When the cards appear on our screen at life size but are only 25% (2K aka 1080p) clarity... its boring to watch in 2024. How are Pro Tours in 2024 looking visually inferior to webcam games on SpellTable?
Storm, when prepared for by the entire field, has a very poor chance of winning tournaments. Same goes for Tron/Eldrazi decks. Linear strategies that have little to no alternate game plans struggle when facing prepared opponents.
Searching for any news on this event made it seem like it never happened... this took me 30 minutes to find, guess all the kids these days have moved all their searching from Google to UA-cam?
How many game mistakes were made just from Simon Nielson vs Dominguez alone? Simon should of been dq several times over from that. Getting excess tokens from nantuko? Targeting him illegally? Shuffling his entire deck from an endurance trigger? This is so messed up the fact it hasn't been addressed is ridiculous
I was wondering about that too! Ive only noticed it on team sanctum of all players though, so maybe it's some sort of team solidarity thing? I've noticed it a few PTs now and never seen it addressed
When you're about to play in a Pro Tour, they ask you if you want a country flag next to your name/which one you want. Put down "n/a" and they'll replace it with the spark or just leave off the flag. (There's also a few edge cases where WotC can't exactly acknowledge places like Taiwan or Palestine as countries.)
The Broadcast team mentioned this, but removing Suncleanser's abilities after the fact doesn't allow you to get energy. The Suncleanser has no static abilities (specifically none that says anything about your opponent not gaining energy). It only has a triggered ability, and as long as that ability has resolved, the targeted opponent can't gain energy while it is still on the battlefield (regardless of whether or not the creature still has the ability).
1:16:28 Javier misplayed and the judge screwed up not seeing it too when Simon tried to target Javier with Suncleanser when Javier was still under the protection of the One Ring, Simon should have lost game 4 and the match should have went to Javier. This could have also been interpreted by a judge as intentionally misrepresenting the game state if if the judge thought that Simon knew the Suncleanser could not target Javier but tried it anyway in case Javier didn't realize it.
I think it's in the best interest of the live coverage to ban Nadu from Modern. I don't think it's format warping - given time, I do think people will come up with consistent counters to the deck that make it strong but not unbeatable - but it's so damn boring to watch.
Im a noob on MTG in general, more in Modern... but the players try to do it as clean as they can and that helps a lot, but Daniel plays so bad for the other player and for the cameras that i so freaking confused all the times he does something xD
The sun cleanser should have had its ability removed. It could have been cleaned up easily with “failed to target” after the ring protection was established… and it’s missed in multiple games? That’s a pattern.
Announcers mention it. Javier had ring protection, Nielsen suncleanser'd him then didn't attack. Why wouldn't he attack if he didn't know Javier had protection?
@@billyslamsit wasn't life totals. Javier would've been able to wrath of the skies and win and it wasn't corrected. Nielsen does not deserve the trophy.
In PT coverage was mentioned, that Nadu decks can win without Thassa's Oracle buy bouncing all opponents nonland permanents and Bosejuing all their lands
I don't know if anyone else noticed this or if I'm missing something, but at 54:20 doesn't the Nantuko hit the bin because it loses its target? Shouldn't it fizzle? I believe it only gets to play on the battlefield as a creature if it falls off of something, no? Obviously it didn't change the outcome of the game or anything, but that seems like a pretty big oversight from the judges.
as far as I remember bestow makes the the aura enter as creature if the target becomes invalid. just a weird interaction with bestow compared to regular auras
702.103e As a bestowed Aura spell begins resolving, if its target is illegal, it ceases to be bestowed and the effect making it an Aura spell ends. It continues resolving as a creature spell. See rule 608.3b. here's the exact ruling
22:45 Coverage starts
39:24 QF1 Simon Nielsen; Bant Nadu | Javier Dominguez; Jeskai Control
1:51:43 QF2 Eli Kassis; Bant Nadu | Seth Manfield; Mono-B Necro
2:34:35 QF3 Sam Pardee; Bant Nadu | Jason Ye; Bant Nadu
3:04:11 QF4 Daniel Goetschel; 4C Nadu | Noah Ma; Mono-B Necro
3:26:54 Semifinal 1
4:31:44 Semifinal 2
5:24:07 Finals
thank you
Simon the cheat
At 1:00:35 Javier cast counterspell with a plains 🤦♂️
@@brockplayspokemonoo7 He used a mystic gate
I'd love a timestamp of the mistakes made too if anyone has those. Apparently there were a ton
Damn… this was awful…
"The best...of the best" 😂 even commentators knew that Simon vs Javier match was a clown fiesta
Why do they even have judges there? What a joke
Guys like simon getting so many top 8s is sus, its a game of variance. He needs to be investigated
When you actually need the sorry MFers to do their job they're out hanging out at the snack bar. Typical of people with authority these days unfortunately.
Judges quality have gone downhill because how Hasbro decided to manage things
Saw Javier counterspell something with a plains a bit before the hour mark.
@@johnk157 the other land is mystic gate, which filters one white into 2 blue
Best quote from the Pro Tour ... "I'm glad I got to play this deck before its gone, do not invest." - Simon Neilson
@@edmundtetch3357 Yeah and wait until you're in the top 8 to cheat too, so that way it can be chalked up too "it's a complicated format and there is alot of pressure on these players."
From the cheat himself
@@HealingGourd where did he cheat?
@@TorwinAllodsHe didn't. This person is just stupid and spreading their stupidity throughout the comments
@@TorwinAllodsIs a strong word here. Definitely misplayed a few things that changed the outcome of a game.
Bant Nadu or Ban Nadu?
ban nielsen
These guys are pro for a reason. Simon having top 8'd many times should hold one of the highest regards to following rules unless there is an intent to violate the rule.
As what happened in the top 8 match, Simon admitted he is unfavored vs. Javier's deck. Doing such GRVs like Endurance shuffling or using Suncleanser ability to target Javier with Ring protection are indications of intent to cheat. Regardless if they are playing casually because they are testing partners or teammates, this is a Pro Tour for crying out loud. Everything you do matters.
I've said before and I'm saying again, don't let Simon's goofy looks fool you, he is a goddam CHEATER in the highest and obvious level. HE SHOULD NOT WIN THE PLAYER OF THE YEAR!
That first Simon x Javier game was low key a disaster
What happened the first game?
@@joe.5103 I meant match, not game
game 4 Simon targeted Javier with Suncleanser while Javier had protection from everything via The One Ring, as well as shuffling with Endurance instead of butting the cards on the bottom
@@neminem233 Javier didn't have protection from the one ring because he never demonstrated awareness of the trigger.
@@jadegrace1312it is mandatory that he has protection and not a MAY trigger. There should be a physical token the reminds you have Pro everything
@@jadegrace1312 That’s ridiculous, what an angle shot.
Top 4 nadu, nadu, nadu, nadu
Glad I didn't tune in for that joke
@@XsumerianXthis comment is a joke
Nah dude
???
It was full of misplays and cheating. Terrible outcome.
@@XsumerianXcheating?
I wish coverage had given more time to the Necro deck and player. Maybe this deck was on camera on previous days and I just missed it, but at 15-1 I think it deserved screen time over yet another Nadu mirror. Barely caught game 5 and right before it's conclusion. C'mon guys...
yeah GP Nadu was definitely an experience, we could've used something different
Top 8 decks with 7 decks featuring the one ring in their 75 slots, why is there all the hate for the bird but not the ring? The ring is such a silly card draw engine.
Ring was hardly the 3rd best card draw spell in the top eight
I’d say because even though it is powerful its color flexibility it what really gets it so much play. And can be used in many different decks, as opposed to Bird.
Why not both? :)
To be clear, Ring also needs to be kicked from the format, but at least it goes into multiple archetypes (as opposed to the goddamn bird)
It's not called Bant One Ring
How are the judges not catching these mistakes. If the commentators are seeing them and the judges are not it is ridiculous. The endurance shuffle and one ring target won the games for him.
Targeting Javier with Suncleanser was completely legal, Javier missed his one ring protection trigger.
@@jadegrace1312 wrong.its not a trigger
@@swb_o5766 It is a trigger lol
@@jadegrace1312wrong. Protection is a static ability. Also, The one ring trigger when it enters is not a MAY.
@@jomaniwan804 Getting protection from The One Ring is a trigger which can be missed. The One Ring being a mandatory trigger is completely irrelevant here. How about you go read about triggers in the MTR and IPG and then get back to me.
Whats the point of having judges if they dont do anything 1:19:27
Whats the point in a comment without context😂
@@alwaysabiggafish3305 timestamp is the context.
Just a observation. I understand Bart has cheated before, but he got immediately disqualified for what was a Tarmogoyf mistake. So how come Nielsen didn't after what he did? He shuffled an entire deck after an Endurance trigger as well as made Dominguez lose the third game (which would have made Javier the decisive winner) because he targeted him with suncleanser while Javier had protection from everything. Seems there is a lot more forgiveness for some players than others. There was also the interaction where they had a stack war over an uncounterable Teferi through delighted halfling. I don't think we should have accepted Nielsen as the winner of that match, too many GRVs were made. They should have rematched, it's disrespectful to Dominguez and us viewers.
"Unlike other types of mistakes, the player controlling the trigger is 100% responsible for it. If you see your opponent make any other type of mistake during a match, you are obligated to call attention to it; ignoring it for your advantage is Cheating. Triggered abilities are the exception. If your opponent misses one, it’s legal for you to say nothing and profit from their mistake. It’s not legal to intentionally ignore your own triggered abilities"
at least for the suncleanser, that's not a GRV. I can't speak for the tarmogoyf thing, and the Endurance trigger is probably a warning only but I'm not sure about the exact ruling unfortunately.
@@soprettymuchthatsthewayitis Nielsen indirectly acknowledged he knew Javier had protection from everything though, the commentators specifically pointed out on camera that he didn't attack Javier that same turn. And that interaction was relevant enough to win Nielsen that game to afford him the two more he won to win the round.
@@HealingGourd yep, but he wasn't the person who cast ToR, so it's not on him to remind his opponent. Is it a bit scummy? Probably... But it's not against the rules, "If your opponent misses [a triggered ability], it’s legal for you to say nothing and profit from their mistake"
Also Elidih is really smart, the first thing she said to Simon after he won was "You Can't keep getting away with this" seemed a little familiar to the tone that was used with Bart after he was caught on camera cheating with the wicked role on the Nethergoyf that didn't die.
Furthermore, mixing the graveyard into the deck with endurance drastically reduced Javier's percentage of drawing supreme verdict and winning the match. It's unfortunate since both players are extraordinary, but the match was distorted
They will never game loss the reigning player of the year at Wizards, that is why they waited for a half decade after the cheating of several players from the mid 2000s. We all knew those players were cheating, we all reported it during the GPs and PTs and nothing was ever done. My friend even got a DQ for asking for a deck check on Watanabe and being correct that he presented an illegal deck. They made Yuya find new sleeves and my friend was asked to leave while being undefeated in round 7. Paper magic is a cheaters paradise. Do not attend major events without assuming that players will try to cheat against you.
Nielsen's win against Dominguez is highly questionable
Is it bc he drew his 2 of suncleanser in all three sideboarded games? Or was it bc he missed the ring trigger on purpose? Or maybe he shuffled javier’s deck so it made it harder to find supreme verdict? Tough to point out which per say
That entire match was a joke. Where were the judges? @@Trivedi_Tuesdays
Also a judge stepping in to make sure Nielsen drew a card for draw step right on the heels of "well, Suncleanser shouldn't be able to target into Ring protection, but nothing we can do about it, shrug". Not saying that missing mistakes should be fixed by ignoring more mistakes, but it was unfortunate at the very least.
@@Metallicity Javier missed the ring trigger when he let the endurance target him on his end step. The suncleanser was totally legal.
1:16:27
1:16:38 Nielsen clearly knows Javier missed the protection and covers his smile.
He also tried to shuffle in non supreme verdict cards with that endurance, so the odds of Javier hitting it become lower.
Looks like a cheater to me.
That’s because he’s allowed to, it’s only the prerogative of the person who owns the card and trigger to remember. Opponents can simply choose to forget and not mention it.
Whoa now that is nuts, pretty damning
Protection from the One Ring... nah
Why did they let him get away with it? This is why having delayed coverage is a bad thing. Simon cheated twice in that game, and i sincerely doubt he hit suncleanser in all three sideboarded games 😔
@@Trivedi_Tuesdays i dont think he cheated, but they need to change the rules to have judges intervene and inforce stuff like that.
@@Trivedi_Tuesdays Simon didn't cheat at all. Javier just missed his trigger.
@@jadegrace1312no, Simon acknowledged the trigger. You can’t forget about it then. You can’t demonstrate half of a trigger.
@@pokedadsam9041 When did Simon acknowledge the trigger?
When The One Ring is played, they should have a token saying a player has protection from everything. In Arena, it is automatic, but in reality this is easily missed like the game with Nielsen and Javier.
TBH it's just for one turn cycle, not hard to remember. Especially when it's only card that player played that turn.
The point of a Pro Tour is for people to dream that it’s Magic at the highest level- not a couple of friends doing a casual play test
This pro tour is hard to watch. Too many Nadu mirrors and of course a suspected cheater winning the whole thing leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong because I’m not a judge. But at 1:09:56, where Simon tries to stack his triggers so that the Hedge Maze surveil resolves before the ability granted by Nadu, wouldn’t the Nadu trigger go on top of the stack regardless of how the other two triggers (Bristly Bill and Hedge Maze) were ordered?
It looks like you're right, but I'm not a judge either.
You are correct. 603.3b describes exactly this situation. There is no way of stacking triggers that doesn't result in Nadu being placed on top.
The prevalence of nadu aside, the Nielsen stuff really ruined this one for me. Such a shame!
Simon seems like a cheater. Vs Javier several times tried to make plays like try to deal damage when he had protection. Clearly angle shooting. Would just say ohh just kidding and brush it off.tries to tap mana with dress down active. Shuffles his deck after endurance.People should investigate him. No one whos suppoed to be that good should make so many blunders in one match and hes done this in others.
The nature of the match was rather casual; but it still does not understate the play errors. Multiple multiple GRVs in 5 games including some that were definitely angle-shooting.
The ring protection being the most severe and the game should have been backed up. Javier acknowledged the trigger and Simon did too. You just sort of forgot about it 30 seconds later?
@@pokedadsam9041 pro tour top 8 is for sure not casual in nature
@@xoxaxoth5337 you missed the commentary and my comment apparently. The match was very causal as the two are friends and play partners. And that’s why I said despite the casual nature of the match it needed to be judged better.
@@xoxaxoth5337 They are friends. They are partners. You can watch the game and see they weren't in the focused mindset. Simon admitted as much in the interview.
it's Alex Bertoncini all over again!
Nielsen cheated on purpose look at his body language
Look how he reacts when Javier picks up sun cleanser to read the effect
He cheated against his friend and teammate?
I think that the shuffle after Endurance should be a DQ for Simon. Your opponent is digging for a card and after you put several new cards on the bottom of their deck, against the rules you pick their deck and shuffle, throwing the variance of the roof. You destroyed the game state, giving you a huge advantage doing so.
This meta is boring as shit.
What you didn't like Top 8 Nadu, Nadu, Nadu, Nadu, Nadu, Necro, Necro, Jeskai Control
Top 4 Nadu, Nadu, Nadu, Nadu
Finals Nadu, Nadu
Winner Nadu
So diverse!!
ugh
And alot of suspect lowkey cheating going on too.
@@HealingGourd Yeah, all the games I watched (every single one), had repeated "mistakes" that could be interpreted as cheating. If anything, many of these players should have been warned multiple times and ended up getting game/match losses.
@@n.b.8572 extremely suspicious considering we had a guy who was immediately disqualified for WAY less (bart with the nethergoyf not actually dead from a phlage helix) He probably cheated I'm not excusing that, but his was way less noticeable and possibly an actual mistake but his bad reputation disqualified him. While we have people like Nielsen deliberately cheating.
to be fair, PTs are always homogenized. With that being said, Nadu is clearly what the majority of these players were expecting to be the best deck lol.
Those judges some how always turn a blind eye on Simon. Highly questionable Pro Tour with non-interactive card Nadu.
Nadu is no less interactive that most combos, if fact more so. People just mad you have to actually have answers for it.
"Simon Nielsen, you can't keep getting away with this man!"
Simon, nervously sweating amd crouching over: "apparently I can! Ha... haha."
What a poignant choice of words on both sides.
Mono-Black Necro is so useless when it doesn't have Necro on board...
We should honor kai and his legacy, so Simon winning the PT bc the missed protection trigger in the quarterfinals doesnt sit right with me.
You know things are bad when people are rooting for Jeskai Control as *the underdog* to win. Even worse when it doesn't because of suspect plays.
1 hour mark. How does Dominguez play counterspell with a blue and a white mana?
The other land is Mystic Gate, which turns one white into 2 blue
Who else is excited for the bird to be banned?
look at Nielsens arms. I thought pox was a card.
3 MAJOR F-ups because of the complexity of The One Ring. I think its pretty glaring that the card is way over designed and should be banned and/or errated
1080p? Our phones record in 4K! This is impossible to watch on our big screen. When the cards appear on our screen at life size but are only 25% (2K aka 1080p) clarity... its boring to watch in 2024. How are Pro Tours in 2024 looking visually inferior to webcam games on SpellTable?
No storm at all lmao
._.
It had like a 33% winrate over the weekend too much hate in the sideboard
More like Nadu taking the Pro Tour by storm
Storm, when prepared for by the entire field, has a very poor chance of winning tournaments. Same goes for Tron/Eldrazi decks. Linear strategies that have little to no alternate game plans struggle when facing prepared opponents.
time to unban Fury
1:16:35 doesn’t Javier have protection from The One Ring ? Seems illegal to target with sun cleanser
4:17:25 "mathematics is not an exact science". I beg to differ. What would Frank Karsten think of this?
with the style of play being pushed these days only day 1 is interesting with a somewhat diverse metagame. Same bad top 8 as the last PT.
we are witnessing another cheating scandal in the making! magic wouldn't be magic without cheaters 😂😅
How many times did Simon cheat in this tournament? 🙂. Player of the year ? 🧐
"The most well deserved."
Are you sure? Are you sure about that? Did you forget how the day started?
Sam winning is all great but his buddy that man handled him needs a proper shout out, that is one strong guy :D
Searching for any news on this event made it seem like it never happened... this took me 30 minutes to find, guess all the kids these days have moved all their searching from Google to UA-cam?
How did javier counter nado at game two around 1:00:00? He taps a plains and a white blue and casts a counter spell?
The white/blue land was a Mystic Gate , I was saying the same thing, but realized what it was later.
Mystic gate is a filter land. Makes UU
I also saw the same thing but ok nvm
52:30 didn't know joshua weissmen plays MTG
How many game mistakes were made just from Simon Nielson vs Dominguez alone? Simon should of been dq several times over from that. Getting excess tokens from nantuko? Targeting him illegally? Shuffling his entire deck from an endurance trigger? This is so messed up the fact it hasn't been addressed is ridiculous
Are Julien Henry and Etienne Eggenschwiler some sort of stateless, nomadic people? Why don't they have a country flag next to their names?
I was wondering about that too! Ive only noticed it on team sanctum of all players though, so maybe it's some sort of team solidarity thing? I've noticed it a few PTs now and never seen it addressed
When you're about to play in a Pro Tour, they ask you if you want a country flag next to your name/which one you want. Put down "n/a" and they'll replace it with the spark or just leave off the flag. (There's also a few edge cases where WotC can't exactly acknowledge places like Taiwan or Palestine as countries.)
Just edgy, anti-borders leftist players
Nielsen v Dominguez was a joke and should have been rematched if not just having Nielsen get DQ'd.
why doesnt javier end of turn play dress down and then wrath the board when suncleanser is dressed down and get energy?
The Broadcast team mentioned this, but removing Suncleanser's abilities after the fact doesn't allow you to get energy. The Suncleanser has no static abilities (specifically none that says anything about your opponent not gaining energy). It only has a triggered ability, and as long as that ability has resolved, the targeted opponent can't gain energy while it is still on the battlefield (regardless of whether or not the creature still has the ability).
Doesn't suncleanser stop the Urza's Saga lore counter? 3:45:50
No, how would that work? The suncleanser can't even target lands, only creatures and opponents.
"Reading the card explains the card"
Ba-nadu won, what a surprise!
The draft games from this world tour were really fun to watch
First match was hard to watch…
That's some really fast sideboarding 👀 has the stream been done with a delay to avoid the sideboarding time?
Yes, and that's why nothing was done when the announcers noticed things that shouldn't be happening.
Modern sucks to watch
As someone getting into Magic more recently, watching GP Nadu as my first GP ans watching the atrocious match that was Neilson v. Dominguez hurts.
1:16:28 Javier misplayed and the judge screwed up not seeing it too when Simon tried to target Javier with Suncleanser when Javier was still under the protection of the One Ring, Simon should have lost game 4 and the match should have went to Javier. This could have also been interpreted by a judge as intentionally misrepresenting the game state if if the judge thought that Simon knew the Suncleanser could not target Javier but tried it anyway in case Javier didn't realize it.
I think it's in the best interest of the live coverage to ban Nadu from Modern. I don't think it's format warping - given time, I do think people will come up with consistent counters to the deck that make it strong but not unbeatable - but it's so damn boring to watch.
1:37:40 you can''t keep getting away with it , apparantly i can . Sad to see javier lost to alot of "missed" triggers and shuffles
I'm glad they are giving Kai love now. I'm still in this game, not because of the cards or even the gameplay, but because of the players.
Im a noob on MTG in general, more in Modern... but the players try to do it as clean as they can and that helps a lot, but Daniel plays so bad for the other player and for the cameras that i so freaking confused all the times he does something xD
The sun cleanser should have had its ability removed. It could have been cleaned up easily with “failed to target” after the ring protection was established… and it’s missed in multiple games? That’s a pattern.
"He mite not"
This rule war of first match is on judges. All I know that teammates are fine about those intense games.
I love this channel. I love this game. Congratulations to the winner ❤✌️
It was pretty boring to watch tbh..we were watching/hearing the word nadu too much.
"Cant keep getting away with it" cheating that is.
Christ. At least pod was more interesting to watch.
Game two 1hr 1min in how did he counter Nadu? He didn’t have double Blue mana to counter…
1 land was a filter land
Not a fun watch but but it happens from time to time
did simon nielsen forget the nadu trigger on 50:40 when he was his by galvanic dicharge?
He literally got a land from the top of his library one second after, what are you talking about?
Pro Magic players are soooo akward.
And suspect!
1:16:00 Nielsen cheats. Every time I see him on camera he does something extremely shady and nothing ever happens about it.
wtf u talking about?
Announcers mention it. Javier had ring protection, Nielsen suncleanser'd him then didn't attack. Why wouldn't he attack if he didn't know Javier had protection?
Not cheating. Would be up to the owner of the one ring and judges to remember the protection. Both of those parties failed to do so.
accidents happened it was corrected. life totals don't matter much in the matchup
@@billyslamsit wasn't life totals. Javier would've been able to wrath of the skies and win and it wasn't corrected. Nielsen does not deserve the trophy.
Ban the one ring already, damn that card is boring asf
One ring sucks, it can’t even stop suncleanser triggers 😂
@@Trivedi_Tuesdays imagine that being your argument to keep such a homogenizing card in the format…
@Deedeedee156 it does stop it but Simon cheated and targeted Javier with it. It was a sarcastic reply I believe
Can someone explain to me how Javier could use a Plains to cast a Counterspell at 1:00:35? What am I missing?
he used a filter land
@@stevaaancatahh right, thanks. 🙏🏽
Why is the video quality so bad?
Nadu is the player of the year.
Simon played sooooooo sloppy
what format are they playing?
Nadurn
Worse than PT Scam or PT Hogaak
where can I see decklists?
Ban hammer where art thou
Did Javier pay white for counterspell at 1:00:40?
Mystic gate filters for blue blue
Used plains + mystic gate to filter the white into blue blue
Yep
Nope he paid the activated ability of the white blue filter land to filter into two blue mana
YEAH NADU, NADU, NADU
does anyone know, how javier could cast a counterspell for simon's Nadu with just a duel and a plains open? 1:00:15
😭😭😭😭
The duel land is a filter land, mystic gate
Game 2 simon vs Javier. Javier countered nadu with counter spell tapping plains + dual land....
Just impression mine or javier in game 2 against simon pay a counterspell with U from hallowed fountain and a W fron the plain ? 🤔
Mystic gate. Not hallowed fountain. It filters w or u into ww uw or uu
1:00:35 Am I missing something or did he just tap a plains to generate blue mana for the counterspell?
Absolutely pathetic officiating. Simon Nielsen did not win this pro tour. Another nail in the coffin of paper magic. Tragic.
MTG DAD'S is a group I'd really like to join but I'm not a dad 🙁
@ 1:00:38 how is he tapping the plains for a counterspell, what am i missing
Mystic Gate filters white into two blue
Did anyone else notice that at 1:00:35 Javier tapped UW for counterspell?
He tapped an mystic gate and plains that can filter for uu mana
@@79bosh oh good catch, thanks
bruh, dominguez tapped plains to cast counterspell
did I miss something?
Other land is Mystic Gate. Filters W into UU
Can’t someone just dress down in response to a thassas oracle ?
Well yes they can, why?
In PT coverage was mentioned, that Nadu decks can win without Thassa's Oracle buy bouncing all opponents nonland permanents and Bosejuing all their lands
@@Kettwiesel25 I was curious about alternate win conditions if they just happened to dress down in response to a Oracle
Displaying pronouns now? Really?
Nadu, nadu,nadu,nadu...is like a dodo bird way? lol. Worst pro tour ever.
You must have missed pro tour Oko
@@AbaoA_Quor pro tour eldrazi
Nadu going to be like the dodo because it’ll go extinct after the ban
I don't know if anyone else noticed this or if I'm missing something, but at 54:20 doesn't the Nantuko hit the bin because it loses its target? Shouldn't it fizzle? I believe it only gets to play on the battlefield as a creature if it falls off of something, no? Obviously it didn't change the outcome of the game or anything, but that seems like a pretty big oversight from the judges.
as far as I remember bestow makes the the aura enter as creature if the target becomes invalid. just a weird interaction with bestow compared to regular auras
702.103e As a bestowed Aura spell begins resolving, if its target is illegal, it ceases to be bestowed and the effect making it an Aura spell ends. It continues resolving as a creature spell. See rule 608.3b.
here's the exact ruling
@@rustanilagan1526 Ah! I did not know that. Thank you, I have defininitely misplayed that before.