Great Video. It was also Jim who brokered the deal with Hasbro to create comics for GIJoe and Transformers, to tie this all back to Toys 😉. Even if after agreeing he " dumped" the books on Larry Hama and Bob Budianski respectively. They gave it their all, to make way better stories than just " buy more toys"
Even though he dumped Transformers on Budianski he did write the original story treatment himself which is remarkably close to the final result, though Marvel Productions made a few changes to the human side and preferred the name Spike over Buster (though Spike would eventually turn up as Buster's older brother later).
@@emerje0 I don't mean to nitpick but I believe Tom Griffin & Joe Bacal claim they invented the Autobot & Decepticon faction names. Denny O'Neil contributed Optimus Prime & Prowl while Bob Budiansky had the creative freedom to change Ulchtar's identity to Starscream. Jim Shooter did indeed create everything associated with Cybertron and the Ark though.
@@KintounKal You know, when I wrote that it didn't sound right, but I was rereading his treatment and he used all those examples in it and I was tired so I just went with it. I'll edit that out.
Larry Hama was an incredible storyteller, and created excellent long-running subplots that always brought up another surprise backstory to lots of characters. He wove storylines to several historic cruxes, and much later brought many of the threads into a tidy knot. I own the compiled IDW collections of the reprints, and still occasionally reread the entire series from start to finish, regardless of how long it takes me to.
Jim Shooter was the man during the 80s and early 90s. I loved the late 80s and early 90s marvel comics which I used to buy from convenience stores and HEB before they went direct exclusively to comic book stores
Love that you're doing a video about Jim Shooter. However I feel like the timeline of your argument doesnt really check out. New Universe was something the Execs wanted him to do as far as I can recall, and it was also AFTER most of the character/team changes you mentioned. New Universe started in '86. New Mutants was already a thing in '82( they wanted a SPin-Off because X-Men got super popular). Black Spiderman costume was in Secret Wars '84 and I think She-Hulk simply joined the FF because John Byrne wanted her on the team. Still, Jim Shooter did a lot of great things for Marvel. Big fan of Big Jim. Screw the haters.
Yeah the time line is totally off, had nothing to dobwith ultimate u, wasn't the successor of Stan...lots of inaccuracies. Good try on this one, but this was strike out.
@@erickkorpi I love this guy's stuff when he's in his arena but otherwise there always needs to be a lot more fact checking and giving up on basic assumptions. His professional knowledge in *his field* though always seems super solid.
Wow, Jim Shooter was responsible for nearly all the changes that drove me away from Marvel? Wild to think of, since his name was attached to so many thinks that I loved about comics as well. In fact, New Mutants seems to be his only big change of the 80s that I did like. Also Ironic, because his New Universe would have been something I'd have followed for years, had they let him continue it as he wanted for as long as he wanted. Still, hard to be mad at the man who was once the kid that helped make one of my favorite series, Superboy and the Legion, when I was a little kid.
When Steve Rogers quit being Captain America (yet again, he's done it before, such as when he became Nomad, and later when Captain America shared the title of the comic with The Falcon), he went by the name "The Captain", wearing the red, white and black costume. John Walker (the former Super-Patriot; fun(?) fact, the French word for superpatriot is chauvinist) took his place, wearing the Captain America costume. When Steve Rogers returned to his original hero identity, the same Commission on Superhuman Activities who handed the mantle of Captain America to John Walker gave Steve's replacement The Captain's outfit, renaming him the U.S. Agent. Imagine rebelling against the direction you're being led towards, so you quit and create a protest identity, which ends up being given to your replacement when you return to work.... Sort of like everything you make at Disney, even if they never use it, is owned by Disney.
Unfortunately, the blatant mistakes in this video aren't limited to timing. Anyone who read Star Brand should know Kenneth Connell's familiar clothes were given to him by the Old Man. They were brown like leather not red. Admittedly, the gloves and boots could be considered blue but common sense suggests black. It was a stretch to label Ken's outfit as a costume until John Byrne arrived with issue 11 ("Celebrity").
I consider myself an expert on Jim Shooter's career and I guarantee this video is mostly incorrect or at least misleading. For example, Jim Shooter did NOT participate whatsoever in creating Ultimate Spider-Man in late 2000. In fact, the editor for that title was Ralph Macchio who Jim once described as "a classic Eddie Haskell, proper when he has to be, snarky-to-vicious when he can get away with it. When talking on the phone to various people, Ralph's voice would be dripping with sincerity while he was miming his disdain for whomever was on the line to amuse any cronies hanging around his office. Even John Buscema got this treatment."
The whole video is filled with wrong infos. No research whatsoever was put into it before uploading. Makes me wonder about any other infos found on this channel.
@@animatedCHUG That's such a ridiculous point of view. You're blatantly dismissing my knowledge on this subject simply because you have great respect for Scott. Don't you find it odd that so many others agree with me that this video is pretty much full of nonsense? Maybe my comment above was harsh but I wholeheartedly believe I know more about Jim Shooter than perhaps anyone else not related to him. I've listened to every interview found on UA-cam countless times including many that have been deleted. Likewise, I've watched and liked nearly every toy related Spector Creative video. I'm definitely a fan but this is wrong left and right. I urge you to occasionally question the source of the news you find in whatever channel you follow. Scott is probably among the foremost toy experts but that doesn't make him well informed about a writer's motivations 36 years ago.
You're 100% correct. There's even a New York Comic Con video titled 'The Giants of Comic Book Publishing Panel with Jim Shooter and Bill Jemas' published on September 14th, 2015 that utterly contradicts this claim.
Thanks for this insightful retrospective. I was a teen when the New Universe series landed in my local comic book shop. I dug Star Brand, Justice, Psi Force and DP-7. The New Universe may have tanked but it was the original template for the "Super Human in real time" idea.
I remember that time, I even had some of the books. Yeah, black and white was a popular color for a few of the marvel characters. I enjoyed the changes in costumes for a good number of them. One of my favorites was the Thor Walter Simonson. One of the very few armor changes that Thor had that I liked.
@@RisingBean Cool. I liked that armor too. And the reason for it existing was intense. Eventually I imagined Thor sealed in there pretty much liquified.
@@TitularHeroine That's basically the gist. It was epic how he took over the Destroyer and basically wrecked Hel until Hela bought him off. With that, We're getting the MCU version of that armor soon. I'm hoping it's used doing something epic.
This video states incorrectly that Jim Shooter had to do with the Ultimate Marvel Universe which is not true. Jim Shooter was not an employee of Marvel when the Ultimate Universe was created nor had been associated with Marvel since several years before. I'm a fan of Jim Shooters Avengers work as a writer and always wanted to see him return to the title but ever since he left the company he never worked again with Marvel not even as a writer which I thought was a Marvel loss.
I think the controversy at Marvel stemmed from the fact that he was dealing with eccentric free wheeling artists in a corporate environment. That’s like trying to herd cats.
I know I was a huge fan of Legion of Super Heroes as a kid. In 1969, when I was 12, DC had a mail away contest and I sent in a team, a Justice League of the United Planets: I obviously didn't win. But I thought I some good characters and a good origin; having them be rejected by the Legion not because of weakness or incompetence, but because of too old as they were all mid-20s. I had a cop from Roxxon who was half Kryptonian and half Daxxamite making him invulnerable to both lead and krytonite, the 30th Century Wonder Woman, a professor who rediscovered the Plastic Man formula and stabilized it with Elongated Man making him double stretchy and able to change colors something Plas couldn't do, I had a throwback Thanagarian who could grow his own wings with hands and feet becoming talons, a blonde haired green skin woman who had Green Lantern powers with no ring or weaknesses, and a few others.
Too bad they never went anywhere really. I redid the green girl as Emerald later on and she appeared in some clean fanfiction stories with some other heroines. I was creating my own Super Heroes in 1964, and, I can't prove it, I created the first Interracial Super Team! Remember, this is 1964! Bearclaw; Cheyenne, descendant of a long line of Medicine Men. Discovered a Superman type formula. It slowly damaged his body so he eventually returned to using magic. Johnny Dragon; Supreme Grandmaster of the Martial. Stratigest! Field leader. Questar; Super strong psionic, only white guy. Billy Ray; Sometimes called Darkray, but I never liked that. Speedster, MACH-5, my African American character Roberto Condoras, the Condor; a Lucha Libre fighter who could fly Golden Girl, aka Apella, Ella to her friends; daughter of the Greek God Apollo, goddaughter of Hercules. She's 1850 years old, the strongest most powerful female Olympian. Actually the most powerful of all the other members. In addition to strength nearly equal to Hercules, she can fly and shoot fire from hands or eyes from lit match to center of the Sun! Forbidden by Zeus to help humanity until it again became threats that normal Humans couldn't fight. Others were added or killed off since. I made one attempt in 1987 to do my own Comic, but the company I was talking to went under.
@@bladestar2322 Nice! Good stuff. For some reason, I just imagined your Kryptonian/Daxamite hybrid space cop to have blue skin as a mutation; the kryptonite-lead connection and cobalt being used as a dampener in nuclear reactors.
I never heard of Jim Shooter. Amazing to know at 13 he was writing comics and sending them to comic publishers...thats incredible! At 13..i was glued to playing Super Nintendo
If you bought comics back then, he would sometimes have a small paragraph or two on the editor’s page, keeping fans abreast of what Marvel was doing “you’ll want to check out next month’s Amazing Spider-Man, Mary Jane goes a whole issue without calling Peter Parker Tiger!” As a kid then, I knew of him and he was the man at Marvel when I was reading a good many of their comics, so I always liked the idea of him being in charge. Although I didn’t realize he was part of the reason the Thing was a depressed loner, Spdey got tormented by his alien suit, etc, etc
If you bought comics back then I believe his name would always come out in the first pages of every comic where the credits were. It would always say Editor In Chief: Jim Shooter.
If I were stranded on a desert island with only 18 comics, I'd easily choose the Unity: Time Is Not Absolute crossover released from April 14th, 1992 to July 28th. It's a terrific story told with unparalleled continuity. Most chapters are written by Shooter with help from David Michelinie and Bob Layton.
There used to be a caricature of Jim that demonstrated that he was too tall to have his shoulders and head in the shot. It used to be the masthead for a letters from Jim Shooter half/page.
Your timeline is all over the place on this one. The basic fact that Shooter was a central figure in reinvigorating Marvel remains true, even if a lot of the information is out of order or just plain wrong.
You can tell when content generation trumps not doing your homework. Crisis at DC happened near the end Shooter’s tenure - not as an influence. He also started as Editor in 79 - not mid 80s. Spiderman’s suit was also introduced in Secret Wars.
I notice a Spider-Man 2099 Omnibus hardcover is scheduled to go on sale October 26th, 2022. It's interesting that the solicitation mentions 'menaces new and familiar come calling: Venture, the Specialist, the Vulture, the mysterious Thanatos and more!' It's a little weird that the Net Prophet isn't included in that list. I admire the way Peter David liked Tensen enough to bring him back in a different universe four years after Justice was cancelled.
I could only imagine the online backlash if Fantastic Four replaced Thing with She-Hulk today. _"Marvel gone woke!" "More orange-erasure from Marvel." "Hashtag NoLongerFantastic."_
The difference is they'd do it for politics today, and in the past it was just for a change of pace. Now they would also be sure to note that Jen was a lesbian and used they/them pronouns. She'd probably also say that Reed Richards wasn't fit to lead the FF because he's a straight white male before stealing Sue and the FF out from under him. Of course Reed would be made to be the villain by story's end and Jen would be "justified."
There was backlash, except it was in the form of written letters to Marvel, not crazed internet fans spewing hate at one another like today. The she hulk change didn't last long, and they went back to traditional F4.
@@brandonandcharlene9527 I just generally opt out of giving money to those who don't want me to enjoy their work. Wasn't it Deconnick who said I shouldn't buy her stuff if I didn't like her politics? It's been some time since I've read comics or dealt with the online fans back and forth. Most of the hate I see is for Marvel Legends price hikes and windowless packaging, since I get the figures.
@@RisingBean Agreed 100%. I never said a word in anger, but I was disappointed at the direction of Transformers in IDW way back in 2015/16, and just stopped buying it. It took a few years, but now I guess they understand since IDW is losing GIJoe and Transformers due to poor sales.
There was about a time where almost every major character had a second version of sorts. Iron Man: War Machine Carol Danvers Captain Marvel: Monica Rambeau Captain Marvel Thing: "She-Thing" (Shary) Spider-Man: Venom [in a roundabout way] [But then,] Venom: Carnage Thor: Eric Masterson Thor/Thunderstrike Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider: Daniel Ketch Ghost Rider... I could do a much longer, more boring list, but you get the point.
Hm. After seeing the video, my thought is that in the mainstream Marvel U, Shooter's changes were hit and miss. Grey Hulk was good, Thunderstrike less so. etc. The Ultimate Marvel U. brought me back to comics after the 90's screwed everything. Clone saga, anyone? Sadly they let Bendis toss a decades worth or story progression by killing off Spider-Man and Loeb just took a crap on the setting in general. I don't read comics these days. Ah well, more money for action figures.
The grey-skinned goliath finally returned in Incredible Hulk #324 ("The More Things Change...") written by Al Milgrom. This issue was sold on July 8th, 1986. Jim Shooter intentionally made Jim Galton fire him as Marvel Comics Editor-In-Chief on April 15th, 1987. It's important to mention the Joe Fixit identity didn't exist untill Incredible Hulk #347 ("Crap Shoot"). That name was established by Peter David on May 17th, 1988. So Jim did indeed approve the grey Hulk coming back but I'm unaware of any evidence that it was his own idea. Remember that change in direction involved Rick Jones becoming green Hulk too. Meanewhile, Eric Masterson AKA Thunderstrike first appeared in Thor #391 ("The Madness of Mongoose"). It was written by new EiC Tom DeFalco and went on sale January 26th, 1988. All credit or blame towards Thunderstrike and Thor Corps belong to him.
@@KintounKal Back in the day I didn't attribute who did what, I just read the stuff. Outside of Peter David being on my radar because of how long I read the Hulk. (#343 or so) I don't like legacy characters and think Defalco did Thor wrong, even if I hear Defalco was a competent writer and steward for Marvel overall.
A polarizing figure, to say the least. Still, love or hate his work, he lived out his childhood dream. And that’s something to be applauded.
Great Video. It was also Jim who brokered the deal with Hasbro to create comics for GIJoe and Transformers, to tie this all back to Toys 😉. Even if after agreeing he " dumped" the books on Larry Hama and Bob Budianski respectively. They gave it their all, to make way better stories than just " buy more toys"
Even though he dumped Transformers on Budianski he did write the original story treatment himself which is remarkably close to the final result, though Marvel Productions made a few changes to the human side and preferred the name Spike over Buster (though Spike would eventually turn up as Buster's older brother later).
@@emerje0 I don't mean to nitpick but I believe Tom Griffin & Joe Bacal claim they invented the Autobot & Decepticon faction names. Denny O'Neil contributed Optimus Prime & Prowl while Bob Budiansky had the creative freedom to change Ulchtar's identity to Starscream. Jim Shooter did indeed create everything associated with Cybertron and the Ark though.
@@KintounKal You know, when I wrote that it didn't sound right, but I was rereading his treatment and he used all those examples in it and I was tired so I just went with it. I'll edit that out.
Larry Hama was an incredible storyteller, and created excellent long-running subplots that always brought up another surprise backstory to lots of characters. He wove storylines to several historic cruxes, and much later brought many of the threads into a tidy knot. I own the compiled IDW collections of the reprints, and still occasionally reread the entire series from start to finish, regardless of how long it takes me to.
Jim Shooter was the man during the 80s and early 90s. I loved the late 80s and early 90s marvel comics which I used to buy from convenience stores and HEB before they went direct exclusively to comic book stores
HEB is a name I haven't heard in a loooooonng time. I don't think I ever would've thought of that again.
Jim shooter was tough but also way under appreciated for what he gave to marvel.
And he doubled their characters!
Marvel needs an editor in chief like Jim Shooter again.
I definitely noticed the change back then and loved it!
Jim Shooter is one of the best to ever do it
RIP George Perez, you left your mark on two universes.
I wasn't aware we lost George. I knew he was sick. RIP GEORGE PEREZ
Don't forget Malibu's Ultraverse and CrossGen too. I'd love to see Mr. Pérez's extraordinary run on UltraForce and Solus reprinted some day.
If I recall, I collected all the issues of New Universe titles mostly at newstand (actually from the neighborhood liquor store).
I collected comics during the late 80s to early 2000s such a good era.
Love that you're doing a video about Jim Shooter. However I feel like the timeline of your argument doesnt really check out. New Universe was something the Execs wanted him to do as far as I can recall, and it was also AFTER most of the character/team changes you mentioned. New Universe started in '86. New Mutants was already a thing in '82( they wanted a SPin-Off because X-Men got super popular). Black Spiderman costume was in Secret Wars '84 and I think She-Hulk simply joined the FF because John Byrne wanted her on the team. Still, Jim Shooter did a lot of great things for Marvel. Big fan of Big Jim. Screw the haters.
Agreed, all of this.
Yeah the time line is totally off, had nothing to dobwith ultimate u, wasn't the successor of Stan...lots of inaccuracies. Good try on this one, but this was strike out.
@@erickkorpi I love this guy's stuff when he's in his arena but otherwise there always needs to be a lot more fact checking and giving up on basic assumptions. His professional knowledge in *his field* though always seems super solid.
@@TitularHeroine agreed, which is why I subscribe to his feed. Not everything is gonna be perfect...just this was such a mess...it would be redone.
Wow, Jim Shooter was responsible for nearly all the changes that drove me away from Marvel? Wild to think of, since his name was attached to so many thinks that I loved about comics as well. In fact, New Mutants seems to be his only big change of the 80s that I did like. Also Ironic, because his New Universe would have been something I'd have followed for years, had they let him continue it as he wanted for as long as he wanted. Still, hard to be mad at the man who was once the kid that helped make one of my favorite series, Superboy and the Legion, when I was a little kid.
Hard to believe this is almost 40 years ago. Geez I feel old
Right? I even still think of some of this retro pop culture as "recent". Memory is a hell of a drug.
When Steve Rogers quit being Captain America (yet again, he's done it before, such as when he became Nomad, and later when Captain America shared the title of the comic with The Falcon), he went by the name "The Captain", wearing the red, white and black costume. John Walker (the former Super-Patriot; fun(?) fact, the French word for superpatriot is chauvinist) took his place, wearing the Captain America costume.
When Steve Rogers returned to his original hero identity, the same Commission on Superhuman Activities who handed the mantle of Captain America to John Walker gave Steve's replacement The Captain's outfit, renaming him the U.S. Agent.
Imagine rebelling against the direction you're being led towards, so you quit and create a protest identity, which ends up being given to your replacement when you return to work.... Sort of like everything you make at Disney, even if they never use it, is owned by Disney.
Met him, and loved talking to him.
I have so many corrections regarding timing in your video, I have a headache.
Unfortunately, the blatant mistakes in this video aren't limited to timing. Anyone who read Star Brand should know Kenneth Connell's familiar clothes were given to him by the Old Man. They were brown like leather not red. Admittedly, the gloves and boots could be considered blue but common sense suggests black. It was a stretch to label Ken's outfit as a costume until John Byrne arrived with issue 11 ("Celebrity").
A topic that had me double taking on if I was on the right channel. Onwards for the story!
I consider myself an expert on Jim Shooter's career and I guarantee this video is mostly incorrect or at least misleading. For example, Jim Shooter did NOT participate whatsoever in creating Ultimate Spider-Man in late 2000. In fact, the editor for that title was Ralph Macchio who Jim once described as "a classic Eddie Haskell, proper when he has to be, snarky-to-vicious when he can get away with it. When talking on the phone to various people, Ralph's voice would be dripping with sincerity while he was miming his disdain for whomever was on the line to amuse any cronies hanging around his office. Even John Buscema got this treatment."
The whole video is filled with wrong infos. No research whatsoever was put into it before uploading. Makes me wonder about any other infos found on this channel.
There is an 8 hour interview that was recently posted, and yes I watched the whole thing.
Even if Spector is incorrect. He's said enough correct things in the past for me to take his word over yours on a subject matter I know nothing about.
@@animatedCHUG That's such a ridiculous point of view. You're blatantly dismissing my knowledge on this subject simply because you have great respect for Scott. Don't you find it odd that so many others agree with me that this video is pretty much full of nonsense?
Maybe my comment above was harsh but I wholeheartedly believe I know more about Jim Shooter than perhaps anyone else not related to him. I've listened to every interview found on UA-cam countless times including many that have been deleted.
Likewise, I've watched and liked nearly every toy related Spector Creative video. I'm definitely a fan but this is wrong left and right. I urge you to occasionally question the source of the news you find in whatever channel you follow. Scott is probably among the foremost toy experts but that doesn't make him well informed about a writer's motivations 36 years ago.
I don’t believe Shooter had anything to do with Marvel’s Ultimate line.
This is the first I've heard anything about it myself. I think Jemas was EIC at the time, and wanted to bring in new readers.
You're 100% correct. There's even a New York Comic Con video titled 'The Giants of Comic Book Publishing Panel with Jim Shooter and Bill Jemas' published on September 14th, 2015 that utterly contradicts this claim.
Thanks for this insightful retrospective. I was a teen when the New Universe series landed in my local comic book shop. I dug Star Brand, Justice, Psi Force and DP-7. The New Universe may have tanked but it was the original template for the "Super Human in real time" idea.
I remember that time, I even had some of the books. Yeah, black and white was a popular color for a few of the marvel characters. I enjoyed the changes in costumes for a good number of them. One of my favorites was the Thor Walter Simonson. One of the very few armor changes that Thor had that I liked.
Was that the armor he wore to keep his body together, having been cursed so his wounds wouldn't heal?
@@TitularHeroine Yeah. That's the one.
@@RisingBean Cool. I liked that armor too. And the reason for it existing was intense. Eventually I imagined Thor sealed in there pretty much liquified.
@@TitularHeroine That's basically the gist. It was epic how he took over the Destroyer and basically wrecked Hel until Hela bought him off. With that, We're getting the MCU version of that armor soon. I'm hoping it's used doing something epic.
@@RisingBean Nice. Yeah. I didn't get to read the whole story arc back in the day. Looking forward to that!
That is Jim Shooter for you.
This video states incorrectly that Jim Shooter had to do with the Ultimate Marvel Universe which is not true. Jim Shooter was not an employee of Marvel when the Ultimate Universe was created nor had been associated with Marvel since several years before. I'm a fan of Jim Shooters Avengers work as a writer and always wanted to see him return to the title but ever since he left the company he never worked again with Marvel not even as a writer which I thought was a Marvel loss.
I loved Starbrand and DP7!
I think the controversy at Marvel stemmed from the fact that he was dealing with eccentric free wheeling artists in a corporate environment. That’s like trying to herd cats.
News has reported that legendary artist George Perez has died. RIP George.
Great topic.
Looking back I liked Jim Shooter's reboot in the 80's better than the Post-Onslaught Pocket Universe reboot in the 90's.
I know I was a huge fan of Legion of Super Heroes as a kid. In 1969, when I was 12, DC had a mail away contest and I sent in a team, a Justice League of the United Planets: I obviously didn't win. But I thought I some good characters and a good origin; having them be rejected by the Legion not because of weakness or incompetence, but because of too old as they were all mid-20s. I had a cop from Roxxon who was half Kryptonian and half Daxxamite making him invulnerable to both lead and krytonite, the 30th Century Wonder Woman, a professor who rediscovered the Plastic Man formula and stabilized it with Elongated Man making him double stretchy and able to change colors something Plas couldn't do, I had a throwback Thanagarian who could grow his own wings with hands and feet becoming talons, a blonde haired green skin woman who had Green Lantern powers with no ring or weaknesses, and a few others.
That's awesome! Great team and cool characters 👍😃
Too bad they never went anywhere really. I redid the green girl as Emerald later on and she appeared in some clean fanfiction stories with some other heroines. I was creating my own Super Heroes in 1964, and, I can't prove it, I created the first Interracial Super Team! Remember, this is 1964!
Bearclaw; Cheyenne, descendant of a long line of Medicine Men. Discovered a Superman type formula. It slowly damaged his body so he eventually returned to using magic.
Johnny Dragon; Supreme Grandmaster of the Martial. Stratigest! Field leader.
Questar; Super strong psionic, only white guy.
Billy Ray; Sometimes called Darkray, but I never liked that. Speedster, MACH-5, my African American character
Roberto Condoras, the Condor; a Lucha Libre fighter who could fly
Golden Girl, aka Apella, Ella to her friends; daughter of the Greek God Apollo, goddaughter of Hercules. She's 1850 years old, the strongest most powerful female Olympian. Actually the most powerful of all the other members. In addition to strength nearly equal to Hercules, she can fly and shoot fire from hands or eyes from lit match to center of the Sun! Forbidden by Zeus to help humanity until it again became threats that normal Humans couldn't fight.
Others were added or killed off since. I made one attempt in 1987 to do my own Comic, but the company I was talking to went under.
That sounds awesome! Is there any place where we can read your stories? And did you ever make a fanfic out of that Justice League idea?
@@bladestar2322 Nice! Good stuff.
For some reason, I just imagined your Kryptonian/Daxamite hybrid space cop to have blue skin as a mutation; the kryptonite-lead connection and cobalt being used as a dampener in nuclear reactors.
I never heard of Jim Shooter. Amazing to know at 13 he was writing comics and sending them to comic publishers...thats incredible! At 13..i was glued to playing Super Nintendo
If you bought comics back then, he would sometimes have a small paragraph or two on the editor’s page, keeping fans abreast of what Marvel was doing “you’ll want to check out next month’s Amazing Spider-Man, Mary Jane goes a whole issue without calling Peter Parker Tiger!” As a kid then, I knew of him and he was the man at Marvel when I was reading a good many of their comics, so I always liked the idea of him being in charge. Although I didn’t realize he was part of the reason the Thing was a depressed loner, Spdey got tormented by his alien suit, etc, etc
If you bought comics back then I believe his name would always come out in the first pages of every comic where the credits were. It would always say Editor In Chief: Jim Shooter.
If I were stranded on a desert island with only 18 comics, I'd easily choose the Unity: Time Is Not Absolute crossover released from April 14th, 1992 to July 28th. It's a terrific story told with unparalleled continuity. Most chapters are written by Shooter with help from David Michelinie and Bob Layton.
Jim's a fantastic guy. And I hear a fantastic danc😛
There used to be a caricature of Jim that demonstrated that he was too tall to have his shoulders and head in the shot. It used to be the masthead for a letters from Jim Shooter half/page.
I know that image!
Your timeline is all over the place on this one. The basic fact that Shooter was a central figure in reinvigorating Marvel remains true, even if a lot of the information is out of order or just plain wrong.
You can tell when content generation trumps not doing your homework. Crisis at DC happened near the end Shooter’s tenure - not as an influence. He also started as Editor in 79 - not mid 80s. Spiderman’s suit was also introduced in Secret Wars.
Justice was my favorite of the New Universe
I notice a Spider-Man 2099 Omnibus hardcover is scheduled to go on sale October 26th, 2022. It's interesting that the solicitation mentions 'menaces new and familiar come calling: Venture, the Specialist, the Vulture, the mysterious Thanatos and more!' It's a little weird that the Net Prophet isn't included in that list. I admire the way Peter David liked Tensen enough to bring him back in a different universe four years after Justice was cancelled.
I could only imagine the online backlash if Fantastic Four replaced Thing with She-Hulk today.
_"Marvel gone woke!" "More orange-erasure from Marvel." "Hashtag NoLongerFantastic."_
Hehhehheh.... Oh $#!+😂😂
I loved the FF She-Hulk era. The weirdzo lineup with Sharon Ventura and Crystal too.
Edit: spelling
The difference is they'd do it for politics today, and in the past it was just for a change of pace. Now they would also be sure to note that Jen was a lesbian and used they/them pronouns. She'd probably also say that Reed Richards wasn't fit to lead the FF because he's a straight white male before stealing Sue and the FF out from under him. Of course Reed would be made to be the villain by story's end and Jen would be "justified."
There was backlash, except it was in the form of written letters to Marvel, not crazed internet fans spewing hate at one another like today. The she hulk change didn't last long, and they went back to traditional F4.
@@brandonandcharlene9527 I just generally opt out of giving money to those who don't want me to enjoy their work. Wasn't it Deconnick who said I shouldn't buy her stuff if I didn't like her politics? It's been some time since I've read comics or dealt with the online fans back and forth. Most of the hate I see is for Marvel Legends price hikes and windowless packaging, since I get the figures.
@@RisingBean Agreed 100%. I never said a word in anger, but I was disappointed at the direction of Transformers in IDW way back in 2015/16, and just stopped buying it. It took a few years, but now I guess they understand since IDW is losing GIJoe and Transformers due to poor sales.
George Perez and Neal Adams died recently. Can you do a video on them?
There was about a time where almost every major character had a second version of sorts.
Iron Man: War Machine
Carol Danvers Captain Marvel:
Monica Rambeau Captain Marvel
Thing: "She-Thing" (Shary)
Spider-Man: Venom [in a roundabout way]
[But then,] Venom: Carnage
Thor: Eric Masterson Thor/Thunderstrike
Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider: Daniel Ketch Ghost Rider...
I could do a much longer, more boring list, but you get the point.
Yup. And so much of that was Jim
Shooter certainly doesn't get his due.
He gets more than his due in this video, where he gets credit for things he never did.
RIP GEORGE PEREZ
I've not read a legion comic since I was 13 .we've lost a couple great lately neal adams George perez
I was one of the weirdos who _liked_ the New Universe 😅
Hm. After seeing the video, my thought is that in the mainstream Marvel U, Shooter's changes were hit and miss. Grey Hulk was good, Thunderstrike less so. etc. The Ultimate Marvel U. brought me back to comics after the 90's screwed everything. Clone saga, anyone? Sadly they let Bendis toss a decades worth or story progression by killing off Spider-Man and Loeb just took a crap on the setting in general. I don't read comics these days. Ah well, more money for action figures.
The grey-skinned goliath finally returned in Incredible Hulk #324 ("The More Things Change...") written by Al Milgrom. This issue was sold on July 8th, 1986. Jim Shooter intentionally made Jim Galton fire him as Marvel Comics Editor-In-Chief on April 15th, 1987.
It's important to mention the Joe Fixit identity didn't exist untill Incredible Hulk #347 ("Crap Shoot"). That name was established by Peter David on May 17th, 1988. So Jim did indeed approve the grey Hulk coming back but I'm unaware of any evidence that it was his own idea. Remember that change in direction involved Rick Jones becoming green Hulk too.
Meanewhile, Eric Masterson AKA Thunderstrike first appeared in Thor #391 ("The Madness of Mongoose"). It was written by new EiC Tom DeFalco and went on sale January 26th, 1988. All credit or blame towards Thunderstrike and Thor Corps belong to him.
@@KintounKal Back in the day I didn't attribute who did what, I just read the stuff. Outside of Peter David being on my radar because of how long I read the Hulk. (#343 or so) I don't like legacy characters and think Defalco did Thor wrong, even if I hear Defalco was a competent writer and steward for Marvel overall.
This whole video is inaccurate. You're just making things up.
too many mistakes to correct them all