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great video, i studied the pool a lot and i knew those ones, but, i still have a few questions about it GTO wise, i wonder, knowing that the oponent will overfold to delayed cbets, would it be profitable to check more trash hands at the flop in order to have a higher fold % at the turn instead of at the flop?, lets say, board AQ5, you have 76 or J8 wich i think both could cbet at this board for example, would GTO check those at the flop in order to have a higher % of fold after beting at the turn?, you said pool is overfolding 35 to 48, but, i think you know there are oponents folding 60-80% at this spot, against that extreme, if you put in solver, would it check more often the flop? another thing is about that opening % vs oponent who under 3bets, GTO would defend BB vs SB around 53-56% in total depending on rake, that beeing said, what if the oponent defends 50% combined or 45, or 40, how low you think this number should be in order to GTO open any two cards?, thanks, if you could answer those would help me a lot.
That is the million dollar question. I think checking more in general is probably incentivized als the pool plays poorly in general vs a check. Problem with checking air combo's is that the pool probes too often as well. Regarding preflop: it's relatively fluid. If therr are two clear nits in the SB and BB that are both over-folding and under-raising, then you'll likely pretty quickly get to 80%+.
@@nachospoker Great topic, one thing to note also is if we check the air combos and face a turn probe we have an easy fold and don't really get much equity denied. The hands that suffer the most facing the probe are the ones that become indifferent (or close to it), so those would be the combos that potentially favour cbetting the flop in such a case.
@MDA_Demon Yeah that's a good point, but it's not just the raw equity that gets denied, but also future bluffing options, so facing a probe more often will simply lower the EV for a flop check. I'm sure you're aware, just explaining for the rest. Besides it's always complex to come up with a precise answer to specific questions like this as you'd have to weigh different incentives in different lines. Think overall checking more on the flop is probably the way to go though as pool makes many more mistakes in the probing line.
@@nachospoker maybe a good way to think about it is that you can be prepared w/ your baseline GTO ranges and start to exploit higher as you see fit - if you have an overfolder and a under flop c/r and a weak c/c range player - can start to put all that together to build a powerful strat for your 50-80% range of hands more effectively. There are definitely people never really adjusting their blind ranges who are also weak postflop who you can be printing against if you can find the threshold. Wonder how much EV it actually gains if you end up making mistakes later in the hands on those spots against that same type of player if you haven't also trained that strategy. idea of checking more complete air on flop to attack turn over check vs certain players is very interesting - i like that way of thinking about it for but would like to have a good river strategy as well
Hey Nacho ! Really liking your content, but I have a doubt about the last topic. Let's say fish bets half pot turn pot goes to 6bb, then half pot river +3bbs, if we call total pot 12 bbs. I understand that 25% ( -3bbs invested x 3 times wrong calls plus +9 bbs when we call it and win ). But in every loss spot we lost 6 bbs total and on the win we won 9 bbs. 3x6 = 18 bbs loss + 9 bbs win = -9bbs final result. Not breakeven on my view. Am I missing something??? I know the money on the pot is not more "mine" anyway but we should not consider this since the final results it is what really matters? Having a really hard time to grasp it as you said lol Tks in advance !
It's easier if you calculate each street separately. On the river the result is -3*0.75+9*0.25=0. If you take turn into consideration your calculation should look like this: -(1.5+3)*0.75+(3+1.5+3)*0.25=-4.5*0.75+7.5*0.25=-1.5 , if you called turn and fold river you would always lose 1.5bbs so it's the same result
@@gkamvysis damn, tks for your effort but I got even more confused. My point is just the final results: Every time we lose, we lose 6 bbs. Everytime we win, we win 9 bbs. Am I wrong on this first step?
@@UnderGrinder_NL2UP if we lose 6 you probably take into consideration preflop as well, so when we win we also win 6. The final pot when we call is 12 so the bbs we invested in the pot are 6 and the bbs our opponent invested are also 6. So -0.75*6+0.25*6=-3. If we call turn and fold river the total amount we invested in the pot is 3 and we lose them always so it is equal to our loss when we call river.
@@UnderGrinder_NL2UP The key mistake you're making is thinking that the pot in the middle is still "yours." Once the chips are in the pot, they no longer belong to you-they're up for grabs. In your example, you're being asked to invest 3BB to call. If your call is profitable, it means you're making a return on that 3BB investment. Put simply: the pot in the middle is already gone, but by calling, you have the chance to recover a portion of it based on the strength of your hand and your opponent's range. This is the essence of bluff catching-facing a bet on the river with a marginal hand and deciding if the potential return is worth the risk. These decisions are always marginal. You will never win a large share of the pot in the middle back, but if you can invest 3BB and get 3.1BB in return, you should always call. The alternative is folding, which means you win/lose 0. (Remember, the pot in the middle is no longer yours). Now, if instead of betting the river, your opponent checks, your EV in the same spot would typically be higher. The pot in the middle is still "lost" until the hand is over, but by checking back, you’re more likely to win a larger share of it.
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Very great insights, thanks for sharing. Have been noticing a lot of these playing more low stakes games to test out my training
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Top content, tks a lot!
Great video. I'm down 20BI in 4k hands today, so I suspect I need some tips!^^
great video, i studied the pool a lot and i knew those ones, but, i still have a few questions about it GTO wise, i wonder, knowing that the oponent will overfold to delayed cbets, would it be profitable to check more trash hands at the flop in order to have a higher fold % at the turn instead of at the flop?, lets say, board AQ5, you have 76 or J8 wich i think both could cbet at this board for example, would GTO check those at the flop in order to have a higher % of fold after beting at the turn?, you said pool is overfolding 35 to 48, but, i think you know there are oponents folding 60-80% at this spot, against that extreme, if you put in solver, would it check more often the flop?
another thing is about that opening % vs oponent who under 3bets, GTO would defend BB vs SB around 53-56% in total depending on rake, that beeing said, what if the oponent defends 50% combined or 45, or 40, how low you think this number should be in order to GTO open any two cards?, thanks, if you could answer those would help me a lot.
That is the million dollar question. I think checking more in general is probably incentivized als the pool plays poorly in general vs a check. Problem with checking air combo's is that the pool probes too often as well.
Regarding preflop: it's relatively fluid. If therr are two clear nits in the SB and BB that are both over-folding and under-raising, then you'll likely pretty quickly get to 80%+.
@@nachospoker Great topic, one thing to note also is if we check the air combos and face a turn probe we have an easy fold and don't really get much equity denied. The hands that suffer the most facing the probe are the ones that become indifferent (or close to it), so those would be the combos that potentially favour cbetting the flop in such a case.
@MDA_Demon Yeah that's a good point, but it's not just the raw equity that gets denied, but also future bluffing options, so facing a probe more often will simply lower the EV for a flop check. I'm sure you're aware, just explaining for the rest.
Besides it's always complex to come up with a precise answer to specific questions like this as you'd have to weigh different incentives in different lines.
Think overall checking more on the flop is probably the way to go though as pool makes many more mistakes in the probing line.
@@nachospoker maybe a good way to think about it is that you can be prepared w/ your baseline GTO ranges and start to exploit higher as you see fit - if you have an overfolder and a under flop c/r and a weak c/c range player - can start to put all that together to build a powerful strat for your 50-80% range of hands more effectively. There are definitely people never really adjusting their blind ranges who are also weak postflop who you can be printing against if you can find the threshold. Wonder how much EV it actually gains if you end up making mistakes later in the hands on those spots against that same type of player if you haven't also trained that strategy.
idea of checking more complete air on flop to attack turn over check vs certain players is very interesting - i like that way of thinking about it for but would like to have a good river strategy as well
Hey Nacho ! Really liking your content, but I have a doubt about the last topic. Let's say fish bets half pot turn pot goes to 6bb, then half pot river +3bbs, if we call total pot 12 bbs. I understand that 25% ( -3bbs invested x 3 times wrong calls plus +9 bbs when we call it and win ). But in every loss spot we lost 6 bbs total and on the win we won 9 bbs. 3x6 = 18 bbs loss + 9 bbs win = -9bbs final result. Not breakeven on my view. Am I missing something??? I know the money on the pot is not more "mine" anyway but we should not consider this since the final results it is what really matters? Having a really hard time to grasp it as you said lol Tks in advance !
It's easier if you calculate each street separately. On the river the result is -3*0.75+9*0.25=0. If you take turn into consideration your calculation should look like this: -(1.5+3)*0.75+(3+1.5+3)*0.25=-4.5*0.75+7.5*0.25=-1.5 , if you called turn and fold river you would always lose 1.5bbs so it's the same result
@@gkamvysis damn, tks for your effort but I got even more confused. My point is just the final results: Every time we lose, we lose 6 bbs. Everytime we win, we win 9 bbs. Am I wrong on this first step?
@@UnderGrinder_NL2UP if we lose 6 you probably take into consideration preflop as well, so when we win we also win 6. The final pot when we call is 12 so the bbs we invested in the pot are 6 and the bbs our opponent invested are also 6. So -0.75*6+0.25*6=-3. If we call turn and fold river the total amount we invested in the pot is 3 and we lose them always so it is equal to our loss when we call river.
@@UnderGrinder_NL2UP The key mistake you're making is thinking that the pot in the middle is still "yours." Once the chips are in the pot, they no longer belong to you-they're up for grabs. In your example, you're being asked to invest 3BB to call. If your call is profitable, it means you're making a return on that 3BB investment.
Put simply: the pot in the middle is already gone, but by calling, you have the chance to recover a portion of it based on the strength of your hand and your opponent's range. This is the essence of bluff catching-facing a bet on the river with a marginal hand and deciding if the potential return is worth the risk. These decisions are always marginal. You will never win a large share of the pot in the middle back, but if you can invest 3BB and get 3.1BB in return, you should always call. The alternative is folding, which means you win/lose 0. (Remember, the pot in the middle is no longer yours).
Now, if instead of betting the river, your opponent checks, your EV in the same spot would typically be higher. The pot in the middle is still "lost" until the hand is over, but by checking back, you’re more likely to win a larger share of it.
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