One important thing to highlight is that Indara warned Sol twice about projecting onto others, both when he confused his own feelings with Torbin’s and then later when he confused what Osha wants with what he wants. Everyone says ofc they would stab Aniseya, but if Sol was doing the Jedi thing he could have noticed she did not have aggression in her heart. But Sol projected his fear and capacity for violence onto Mother Aniseya. If only he listened to Indara…..this also calls back to when Torbin was possessed. Indara remained calm while Sol was ready to fight
Key take-aways from this essay: 1) Lack of credible information and tactics will usually lead to bad things 2) Proper marination is the key to everything
I really appreciate your take. The behavior of the fans and certain UA-camrs has bothered me far more than the bad choices that Disney has made. Your response is measured and cathartic. I really wish I knew you in person so we could sit down and talk about this.
There's a guy called The Urban Acolyte. Just talks the content and thinks about what he's watching. Like this channel. Those other channels I think either don't watch or watch only to find stuff they dislike.
As a fan from 1977, I must add that there was backlash by the fans when Return of the Jedi came out. Fans were up in arms about the Ewoks and the death of Boba Fett. It was this backlash that caused George to move on from Star Wars. Thankfully he would change his mind and give us The Prequels, but again there was backlash against him. The big difference is that we were in the early days of social media. Of all the Star Wars projects (not including the novels and comics), the only one that I have issue with is Rise of Skywalker (not that anyone cares, but I feel that was a bad movie, there are rumors of a directors cut, and the lack of deleted scenes does support this), however as a fan I still find myself sucked into it whenever it’s on TV.
Thank you for your perspective. I saw return of the Jedi in the theaters as a young child but it wasn't till Episode one came out that I went back and read reviews and fan reactions for Episode 6. Parts of this fan base just loves this universe and lore too deeply to be objective or satisfied with everything that is written for the Star wars Universe. When I watch or read Star Wars content, in general, I view it through the lens of a comic book level of depth sophistication. By doing so, I keep my expectations for great writing lower, and thereby I'm rarely greatly disappointed.
Yes, and she only bent the rules because of her compassion for Osha. Osha had lost everything. All she had left was the dream of becoming a Jedi and Indara just wasn’t cruel enough to take that away from her too Can we also talk about how powerful of a Jedi Indara was? She is ultimately the one that killed every witch in the coven. It was out of necessity because she had to free Kelnacca’s mind from their influence but she used some kind of powerful technique to do that which killed all the witches connected to his mind, which was all of them
@@cultmecca Yes, all the ones in his mind, but not the mothers. Sol killed one mother witch, and the other one escaped. But she did seem to have the most power. I harken back to episode three, when Aniseya talked about power and who is allowed to use it. If Indara had that much power, she would also have more responsibility to make the best decisions. But she let her emotions take over and deferred to Sol instead of sticking to her guns and asking the council for guidance. After all, they didn't know enough about the coven to be sure the girls were in as much danger as Sol feared. In essence, she let his fear, but not enough facts, invade her ability to evaluate the situation. She also let her padawan out of her sight while listening to Sol. That was too careless. In hindsight, she may have had too much power. Should any Jedi or Force user have that much?
I think she also made the mistake of not being a little more compassionate and understanding with Torbin. She only made his anxieties worse as she gave no comfort or reassurance for weeks. I hate feeling aimless and would feel pretty lost as well if I didn't know why I was sent to do something for weeks. Him being homesick too could have used some compassion. It only blew up so hard in their face because he tried repressing that emotion so much it burst.
@@Dakarai_KnightWhich would make her teasing Sol about not having an apprentice ironic as she arguably wasn’t being the best teacher to him, or at least, her “company woman” status was at odds with his reasonable immaturity as a young person. Sol had the right idea about the coven being untrustworthy, as most of its members seemed to defy Aniseya’s will to allow Osha to leave, as they saw her more as a religious figure than a person and wouldn’t accept Osha didn’t want to stay with them because they feared how “women like her” (as in witches, the problem being that the witches are just regular Force-sensitives without access to Force ichor, the mist the witches keep manifesting when they use their powers) would be treated outside the borders of their facility, which ended up being rather fair to her all things considered, as the Jedi let her go when she “failed” to meet their standards and process her trauma the way they felt she should. It was only when Mae started rampaging that the Jedi targeted Osha, mistaking her for Mae. Mae’s actions dragged Osha into this mess that everyone else is paying for.
I’m glad you showed that clip of George! That’s the bullet point I always pointed out to the current Disney haters and they said it doesn’t exist. Lucas pretty much quit Star Wars because of the “fanbros” because he couldn’t experiment as a filmmaker with his world. Disney is basically saying “hold my beer” - and I like it!
I'm going to use Yoda's wisdom for any funeral speeches. He is the master of learning to let go. Of emotion, jelousy, of sorrow. To rejoice those who have joined the force
I loved the prequels, and it breaks my heart every time I hear George talk about their reception. You can hear the hurt, bewilderment and resulting anger in his voice. I love how you point out that the hate and vitriol exhibited by some so-called fans is dark side behavior. Haha, tips for cooking and serving interplanetary meats. 😂 Sol may not be the hero we thought him to be, but he has good intentions. We all have to fight against the dark side every day. As you say, some of us may have a more difficult time than others, but we should always be striving for the light. Sometimes rules and protocol are what get us over the hump of our own emotions.
Seeing this video after another particular large content creator, who's embracing the hatred in almost every video at this point, is refreshing. You still have points of disagreement with the creative direction but you still referenced the past within the fandom and how it's not really changed. You should be proud of your channel and content.
If only more people actually knew about his channel, as well as eckhartsladder, these guys are very neutral in their opinions of the series and star wars I feel
Some OG fans, I love all this stuff. At 5 I learned I have a hero. I've learned a lot about the complications of heros as me and Star Wars have grown up.
Another excellent video. I really appreciated the way that you broke down the actions and motives of the characters. And I really loved your closing comments!
I've been a member of the fandoms for Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel Comics, and DC Comics for decades, and there are some toxic fans in all four groups, but Star Wars has BY FAR the highest percentage of toxic fans. It's no contest!
Yup. It's just like George Lucas wanted though. He wanted a mythos for planet Earth, something to inspire the youth as they enter adulthood. He probably had no idea how dangerous this idea could become. Fanatics take the lore and canon to another level and judge others against their understanding of this mythical story. Star Wars fandom is an another level than any other fandom in the histroy of cinema (or even books, like Lord of the Rings). Star Wars had become a subconsious religion and religion can be used for good and for bad. It's become a tool, unfortunately. I just try to enjoy the galaxy itself more than the story. It's helped me to love Star Wars through all it's ups and downs. The droids, the ships, the lightsabers. Give me a cute droid and a heartfelt personal fight to the death and I'm fucking good. All day baby. Enjoying The Acolyte so very very much. Sad that so many care more about the literal words on the page of their religious bible than the message that story is trying to tell.
@@ichigen511 I am enjoying the hell out of it too. I foresee that like most other Star Wars stuff on Disney Plus, I will rewatch it and continue to enjoy it each time.
I agree. The level of toxicity has become (for lack of a better word) "dark." And it seems reflective of what's happening in the US outside of fantasy films/TV these days. Suppose significant studios like Disney or Paramount with massive IPs begin to feel like they attempt to add a "different flavor" to familiar IPs. In that case, we will see a gluttonous amount of sameness in these popular shows and movies. TBH, it's already happening with a lot of loved properties.
That's not toxic, that's just passionate (Source: Henry Cavill, 2020) Calling every opinion that rubs you the wrong way toxic is also its own brand of toxicity. You know why SW is getting so much hate? It's because fans hate the deliberate and/or via incompetence destruction of a once great IP, and further, the incessant antagonistic marketing that falsely paints any criticism as some form of bigotry to smear your paying customer. Disney self-manufactured this situation.
I think one thing people might miss with how Lucas PT showed the Order is that there's a mixed attitude of 1) this is the way things are. The way things are works. There is no need to adapt the way things are for the individual, and 2) The way things are done can be interpreted. You see this clash with the Council and the attitude towards Jinn. It's entirely what Obi's "if you'd only listen to the council" comment was about. The Jedi path is individual, but you'd better do it like everyone else believes it should be done. This is why you can have two different masters/knights with wildly different views on what is the right action or emotion in any situation.
I’m a Star Wars fan and have been since the 1980s. There are very few Star Wars shows/ movies I don’t enjoy. Maybe it has t gone the direction we expected but that’s okay. It didn’t make it bad.
I just had an idea what if Sol, Torbin, and Kelbacca where like black sheep, they were all to skilled to fire, but to disagreeable for everyday work so they put on scouting duty were they would presumably do the least amount of damage you see this sort of thing in companies and the military/police all the time
I've really been enjoying this series on the Acolyte. While I am sure daily videos are important to the algorithm, Alan's videos rarely feel like content for content's sake, but rather well organized and thought provoking discussions. I used to watch a number of channels for star wars content, but since this show came out I've whittled it down to only two. The amount of negativity for negativity's sake is palpable.
LOVE Alan’s content! But there are some other positive Star Wars channels still out there, if you know where to look. Kyle Katarn, The 716th Legion, One Protagonist, Heroes Reforged, Mando Talk, and Star Wars Explained are just a few of the great channels that you can watch, refreshingly free of toxic negativity.
@@kirkhassett8726 Thankyou, I've only heard of two of those. Chrome is not the only one with this view, I will always listen to Master Xie and his exemplary take on the latest content.
@@kirkhassett8726thanks for the list. I wasn't familiar with these channels. I've been trying to purge all the toxic alt right Star wars channels on my feed.
@@s.n.9485 You’re welcome. There are some others as well. But I think if you check these ones out, the algorithm gods might direct you towards them. Especially since the start of The Acolyte, many of them will make a point of stating their support and condemning the negativity and threats. That’s the way to tell. These channels are able to enjoy the content while giving fair reviews and criticism that’s supportive, not destructive.
1) Love the commentary as always, 2) especially loved the food detour, and 3) if you have any more details about the Hoisin-marinated turkey, please share them :)
Generation Tech delivers once again. No whining, no bitching, no over criticizing, nothing but constructive breakdowns. Generation Tech…the only way to fly.
The whole video is a premise for him to whine and bitch over "toxic fandom" and being yes-UNDER-criticizing and having the most toothless takes and mental gymnastics. Literally the opposite of not whining.
@@Fear_the_NogBoohoo 😭 go cry about it on a hate channel like theory's. GAWD you guys are soooo insecure, gotta cry on other channels about it lol pathetic
If you enjoy hating something you used to enjoy loving, its time to question what your doing in life. Ive seen people celebrating the low RT scores. Why would you do that? Disney have had some misses, but because i love SW i look for the things i like.
It just feels like this fanbase has such a problem with making huge talking heads stear sentiment , everyone parroting somebody than just thinking for themselves or like the RT thing making it a game at this point . 90 percent of the reviews were discovered to be bots all putting 1 star stuff lmao .
Some people on Reddit criticizing the show confessed they don’t watch the show and instead watch 2-3 hrs per week of UA-cam reviews trashing the show…like get a fucking life lmao
Yoda would probably caution fans who are hating to heed the dark side of the force and let go of the past, to let it be one with the force, and so goes his words
Thats the thing: the fans are all different, each with different expectations. Some are superficial, while others are deep divers. Some are into lightsaber and blasters, while others are into the politics and lore. Some are into the scenery and cultures, while others are into the ships and vehicles. Some approach the stories casually, while others approach them critically. What is a "true fan"? I'd say one who can embrace it all, for good and for bad, and still enjoy it for what it is.
I think the fact that Indara was able intervene in a reckless situation with overwhelming odds and save every member of her team stands in stark contrast to Sol who blundered head long into a trap and lost his whole team.
The archetypes Star Wars creates are extremely strong and most people, especially people who have successfully used their own archetype to live or escape from reality, do not want it changed. Archetypes stay the same even as they change with humanity’s growth.
The more they try to paint Sol as being compassionate and worried for the children (or Osha) the more he feels like a villain. He's just so obsessed with Osha. When he explains the mission to Torbin, he says the vergence must be "studied, protected" like he just is obsessed for no reason. I think he went in knowing that he wanted this vergence, and then when he found it, he wanted to have it at all costs.
The tangential of marinating protein for flavor was my fav part for me as a cook wannabe 😂 I found your channel recently and have been enjoying it. Your comments about policing and its monopoly on power were really insightful.
I really want to know where people got this idea that the Jedi were perfect and that the star wars universe was a perfect universe where everything was meticulously planned from the start
I don't think anyone expects them to be perfect, but these characters behave like they aren't Jedi, but like audience members pretending to be ones. The one Padawan just wants to go home, he's been a Jedi for probably 13 years. He's likely been away longer than this. But the show seems to be trying to relate to younger viewers. The show has huge consistency issue, such as with Mae, who goes from a cold blooded assassin to one that changes her mind every 10 minutes and wants to sneak onto Sol's ship for some reason.
@@goldfishprime🙄 thats your problem, having a preconceived notion of how jedi should act, in an unexplored timeframe 🤷 how? And that Mae example isnt worth anything lol oohh no, a traumatized sociopathic kid is "inconsistent" in the way she acts.... Really? How is that even an argument? Anyways, im always ooen to criticism that make sense... But not this lol
@@goldfishprime personally I think the main problem is that the mainstream SW content doesn't showcase enough of the flaws and/or strength of the Jedi (and Sith by extension), it's always the duality and opposion good vs bad. Most of the great and better written SW content have been done in video games imo, like KOTOR and more recently Jedi: Fallen Order & Survivor or even the mmo SWTOR. I mean even the animated shows, Clone Wars and Rebels, portrayed many aspects of how the Jedis and their order was going downhill and that they weren't these perfect and virtuous characters, most of the better characters were always those that went outside the jedi code and doctrine, except for some individuals like Obiwan and Qui-Gon for example, but they still failed in some way
@@goldfishprime Torbin is a bored teenager from a mining colony that grew up in a megaopolis. This forest is likely the most natural and most boring place he has ever been in his life and he has no choice over anything in his situation. His master admittedly doesn't tell him shit because she wants him to figure things out himself. So here he is stuck in the middle of nowhere, in an environment he doesn't have experience with, against his will, cataloguing boring moss for two months with no end in sight and no understanding of why he is there; especially when they could have made a droid do this work. Oh and to make it better, he just got mind raped by a witch. A little hard to be a stoic, emotionless Jedi, especially with that last situation. Adult Mae is two things; a survivor first and everything else second. Everything we see she does is to try and create the best circumstances for her survival with the opportunities she has in front of her. She is extremely consistent in her motivation as an adult so far. Takes up with a strange dude who offers her training and power, in return for her using those skills to kill the Jedi that killed her family. Finds out her sister is alive; maybe she can have her family back after she does some time for her crimes. Oops turns out that the mysterious stranger is her friend she confided in and is going to kill her now; She can either try an bluff a Jedi who has the only ride out of here or can stay here and die by nature or evil master. Now she's on the ship; she can try and kill this Jedi or she can let it ride and try to get away scott free. She chooses best survival scenario everytime.
As a long-time SW fan who likes to use UA-cam to better understand the SW universe. And even though I am not a fan of the sequel trilogy, because of "Jake" Skywalker. I have recently removed myself from many of UA-cam SW streeming "experts." Frankly, I am burnt out on SW fandom controversy. I'm sick of hearing about KK and how SW is "destroyed" or "over" or "ruined" forever... bla, bla bla... So, I now only make time for this channel and two others for my SW lore content.
Negativity certainly draws clicks. Our society and even our world may implode from all the negativity and divisiveness that results. Sadly, those caught in the trap that was so carefully rage-baited, don't always realize and so end up stuck there and even helping to perpetuate the negativity even longer, and causing it to become stronger which allows it to catch more people.
The hate that's being hurled at this show is unwarranted. It's no where nearly as bad as naysayers are saying it is; it's a decent show at the very least, but it's a good show in my opinion. EDIT: Like many other streaming shows, _The Acolyte_ appears worse than it actually is because people are watching it episode-by-episode on a week-to-week basis; this has ruined people's perception of its pacing. This show is written like an extended movie, which means that it flows better when it's binge-watched. Each of its episodes is equivalent to one half of an act, which is why it appears so asymmetrical in regard to how certain types of events are distributed among its episodes (e.g. dialogue, drama, action, etc). It just so happens that by the time that I started watching it, its first 6 episodes had been released, so I was able to binge watch them. I was therefore better able to appreciate its pacing relative to most other viewers; an action-packed episode followed by a dialogue-heavy one did not bother me, because that's typical in a movie. Additionally, The Acolyte features some of the best hand-to-hand combat and lightsaber dueling that's ever been in Star Wars, and it has a few intriguing mini-mysteries, such as the initial apparent mystery of Osha being in two places at once or the identity of Mae's master; these mysteries help maintain engagememt in the story. I also love the portrayal of the Jedi Order as imperfect, because it would be unrealistic for such a large and expansive organization to always live up to its ideals and to be void of internal conflict.
Right? Some of them are saying it's the worst show ever and that's such an exaggeration. The truth is that they were turned against the show before it even came out because it was directed by Leslye Headland, whom they've been told they should hate for reasons. A lot of them got told the show is "woke" and even though it's really not they pick the show apart to find instances of "wokeness" to get angry about. The Acolyte is a victim of the culture war, pure and simple. It isn't the first and I'm sure it won't be the last.
@@davidduncan5897 "they were turned against the show before it even came out" I'll be honest, I didn't like the idea of this grifter Headland coming in to try to further subvert our expectations about Star Wars, and I was concerned that she might actually make a competently produced show, and her "brand" of Star Wars would become popular with many, but boy, was I WAY OFF. What we actually got was the worst tumblr fan fiction imaginable, that even many shills like Grace Randolph can't even get behind. The Acolyte isn't a "victim" in the culture war, it's one of its worst aggressors.
If only more star wars fans watched your channel and your understanding of the series and wider media, it would maybe help us actually unite as a group
Oh THANK YOU! Finally you recognize the validity of the Jedi's training system and how unfair your first evaluations, especially of Indara, were. Toldya, I guess :P
wow, I literally had the same 'fight' on FB earlier today about the vitriol the series has gotten, and you literally said what I said about the prequels.
I do not blindly defend current Star Wars or Disney, and The Acolyte is not perfect. But it is far from "killing Star Wars" or "the worst ever". I do find it odd how some of the harshest critics of what they term "Disney's Star Wars" were also among the most ruthless of George Lucas back in the prequels. If anyone is killing Star Wars, it's certain parts of the fandom I think. Lucas decided to portray the Jedi as incompetent as an organisation, yet still sympathetic, back in the prequels. This is further expanded upon by Dave Filoni in the Clone Wars series, specifically with the framing of Ahsoka and the Jedi leadership's failure with the situation of clone troopers Tup and Fives. Do you remember the hate Lucas and the actors who portrayed Anakin received by "fans"? Do you remember the hate Ahsoka as a character and her voice actor received by "fans"? The lesson of Star Wars is to grow beyond your past and strive to do better. I do hope us fans remember that, and critique the media we consume with a clear and open mind.
One of the best thing for me, the show is really good for me. But my girl Jecki is sooo cool. I hope lucasfilms find some way to bring more stories about her.
Wait!!! Go back and talk about the hoisin marinated turkey! I need more details asap! Great video btw. Thank you for consistently posting well balanced content. You are my FAVORITE Star Wars Lore page.
Indara mentioning to Sol that she doesn't give him answers to soothe his mind, she let's him figure it out himself, is a big clue that the show might not give us any answers in the end. maybe she shot the place while alone in the ship. 🤷♂
SW fandom don't like to think. They want pretty lightsabers and action. This is what set movies and tv series like Dune, Andor, and GOT apart from regular SW. Even Trek at least tries to make you think and have been successful with their tv shows. Lots in the fandom want more than lightsabers and I enjoy this show for its bigger picture no matter the flaw.
Indara is a great example of how to deal with teenagers. The way she handles sols fears doubts and anxieties is the best way to handle your teenagers. Teenagers mostly need validation of their feelings more than anything and it helps to calm them down the way master indara does.
*"We have a rule. We never free a mind once it's reached a certain age. It's dangerous, the mind has trouble letting go."* Now the more I think about it Sol (and Qui Gon too for that matter) are a bit like Morpheus; so driven by their idealism and desire to free, protect and train those they deem worthy they fail to see the bigger picture until it's too late.
Seeing Torbin under the Baresh Vow made me think of the old man in Monty Python Life of Brian who took the vow of silence until he got his foot stepped on
😄😂"Cooking with Alan"! What a gem at 7:20. "If you really want to solve the problem of flavor...." So funny, and so true at the same time! Marinate, my brothers and sisters. Marinate! 🤣 Thanks Alan, you are pure GOLD my man. 😁
I think one of the things a segment of the fandom is struggling with is the continued departure from the initial high fantasy concepts of “A New Hope” where the bad guys were unambiguously bad and the good guys unambiguously good. But the subsequent films in the OT already began breaking down the mythology of the Jedi being unambiguously good. Probably the biggest example I can think of is Yoda and Kenobi withholding the true identity of Darth Vader and then when called out for it by Luke that it was met with “true from a certain point of view.” Since then with the prequel and sequel movies and tv shows there have been continued explorations of the Jedi history and how and why they had failed either in their missions or ideals at various times. To summarize my point I think some fans don’t like to have their biases and conceptions of the franchise deconstructed or criticized in any way from how they experienced it as children.
The problem is that too many modern writers are deeply flawed people, who sympathize with the villain(s) and do this over-used shades of grey or sympathetic villain trope. Vader still had complexity, stage presence and character development. Meanwhile the antagonists in this show are just victims of everything and society, have blank SSRI stares instead of emotion, and rely on plot convenience instead of character development.
You're one of the few content creators that's actually attempting to analyze this show and its characters and you're one of the only creators that's actually talking some sense. There is so much undeserved hate fort this show from part of the fandom and most of it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Of course we're all entitled to our opinions but many of the things that get said about The Acolyte are such a reach. Yes the show has some glaring issues. For one thing I think some of the editing does a huge disservice to the writing by not allowing some moments to breathe before cutting to another moment. Also some of the delivery of dialogue fell a bit flat for me. Otherwise The Acolyte has been a pretty good show. Thank you for taking The Acolyte seriously and sharing your analysis/theories. You're one of the good ones Allen.
Yea, agreed. I know I have said this a hundred times by now but I do not think the hate on the show is at the fault of the show. Its the low PR and the recent leaked footage sent out regarding Disney's business practices that have destroyed not just the show but probably the company.
@@christopherpoet458 I may dislike the acolyte and the company, but Andor was still an excellent show. This show isn't, and the hate being garnered by the lazy writing, emotionless acting, abrupt episode endings, and the quickly revealed failed attempts at creating mystery are all reasons to dislike it. I'd still rather watch the holiday special than this show, even if it didn't have the power of many scene, and that's the icing on the cake. I liked the night sisters in the clone wars, but this Temu knockoff coven is cringe beyond parody.
I have a theory, the power of Mae and Osha influenced everyone actions... Sol focus only in Osha, who wants to leave and Koril focus prevent Osha from leaving, like Mae wants
Why is everybody so clueless about "slicing" a lock in sw? Clone commandos used this tech and method, as did bounty hunters and Jedi. Ordo and Mereel and their brothers sliced locks and doors all over the place. Skirata taught them well. I didn't watch it but didn't Tech slice locks in The Bad Batch?
I found Acolyte more enjoyable than Ahsoka and the fans say otherwise. The characters in Acolyte have more personality and complexity than the ones in Ahsoka.
Something we all tend to forget in 2024, is that Star Wars and Star Trek were contemporaries, from a certain point of view. Back then it was a common trope in Sci-Fi, thanks to Star Trek, to laud the unemotional dispassionate character. (Thanks Spock.) George Lucas didn’t know he was launching a franchise and so adopted the ‘unemotional dispassionate’ trope and applied it to all Jedi, which helped narratively to distinguish Jedi from Sith. For one movie and one character, Ben Kenobi, that was fine and wonderful. Fast forward (to the past) and the prequels you have 3/4 of the cast in a trilogy of movies trying to emote over the top of an ‘unemotional dispassionate façade’. If the actors were successful, they broke cannon and if they were unsuccessful, they were boring to the fans. Fast forward again to Disney+ era and whenever you have a group of Jedi being proper Jedi the show is boring and slow. Sci-fi and Star Wars need to drop treating emotions as bad. Hopefully Daisy Ridley’s Rey will fix this going forward. And stories placed in the Old Republic or earlier can treat the same Jedi dogma differently, instead of suppressing emotions to avoid the Darkside, they work hard to manage their emotions to avoid the Darkside.
Luke, in his 20s, managed to bring his father back to the light side of the Force. Similarly, Rey, who was around the same age, not only brought Ben Solo back but also defeated Sidious. Granted, they were both Force royalty, but let’s remember this is all fiction. Perhaps we should consider the idea that training individuals for serious tasks when they’re in their 20s, rather than sending them to a boarding school where their ‘master’ takes them into battle, might be a better approach. If the battle doesn’t kill them, there’s a good chance they’ll be slaughtered by an alumnus turned Sith. Maybe waiting until they’re in their 20s could work, even for those who aren’t Force royalty?
Idk if anybody has ever complimented your dry humor before but as someone who is constantly getting their dry humor misunderstood it's so great to see someone fearlessly use it and I acknowledge this and am grateful I'm not the only one! (I'm talking about the part where he goes on about not pissing off a wookie for their cooking skills lol)
I've been a fan since Star Wars first came out, and I love the Star Wars universe. They've put out a lot of crap, like buggy, unplayable games. I love KOTOR 1 & 2, but they were buggy and unfinished. However, I think we can all agree that the real abomination was the Holiday special (may it never see the light of day again). In comparison, everything else has been really good. I appreciate your efforts to restore peace to the galaxy.
@@redoctober1 I've watched both. Depending on the finale, I might watch the Acolyte again, but never the Holiday Special. It's fine if it's not to your taste, and there are definitely things about it I don't like, but I'm going on my own opinion, not the opinion that's been fed to me by one side or the other.
what you said About the fans saying poo poo on Disney compared to the prequels and how they were hated, Is exactly how i see the Star wars community right now i predict 10-20 years in the future we will have channels like SW Theory pop up defending Disney Star Wars like SW Theory defends the Prequels. Its a viscious cycle of Hate for ultimately a fantastical Universe which Canon is convoluted and honestly unimportant when it comes to most things as even the creators of Star Wars didnt care about the identity and potential of the overall universe, they wanted to tell a story they told that story and then when they had to revisit the Story for the Fans thanks to Corporate decisions, everyone hated it. But even still The Prequels are beloved and Disney will be in time as well.
I’ve often argued that the Jedi are a meditation on the role of a knight-errant (understood as a spiritual-ethical mode of being) within the context of a contemporary-coded world. In this we find very interesting discussions of ethics, particularly as pertaining to personal decision making in crisis (OT, Rebels, and ST), but also in trying to have organizational structures supportive of knight-errantry and the spiritual strivings involved (PT, TCW, Ahsoka, and the High Republic, including The Acolyte). This broader context, I think, gives a good space for grasping how your discussions here about the strengths of the Jedi Order as an organization and its guiding Code and your various critiques of the Jedi Order are both sound and salient. And as much as folks want to give the new canon a lot of guff, this seems to be one of the guiding interests of the creators working on these project. That is, the difficulty that arises from the tensions between necessities of both individual autonomy and social solidarity; will this tension be one of conflict? or oppression / repression? or creative harmony? And what do these three possible outcomes look like?
You know, I hope the series does get a good green light to make another season because I'm beginning to understand the High Republic and I really want to understand the Old Republic even more. Not just an animation, but also in live action. You get it, right? From a fan of Star Wars to a Star Wars UA-camr.
@user-yc9vv9xb8s do some research lol. This is the worst received, worst reviewed, worst viewer numbers, of any SW project ever... they are not going to throw money at something that has failed this badly
@@idiot_city5444 And yet there are many fans who are true believers of Star Wars who still watch it. So don't count your hopes down, OK? It'll go up. It just takes time like every other show, OK? They're good and bad at the same time, but regardless it's a great show and it deserves more seasons like every other show and every other movie deserves prequels sequels. OK.
@@YayoHernandez-b1j I admire your optimism. I really do and I wish the film industry worked this way... but my friend... that is not how it works. I am a film student. I am a writer by trade. I know people who work in the industry and I have been in several conversations regarding this subject. I am not putting this out here to be mean, but I am going to be honest and straight about it. This show is not going to see a second season.
ILL SAY IT Generation Tech should do a video about different food types that are in the star wars universe, compare them with real-world, and then talk about how they may work out IRL
(Semi irrelevant but seeing the clips just makes me think how adding yellow lightsabers in that High Republic era really makes for visual coolness on screen. If you compare it to the Big Lightsaber Fight On Geonosis, for instance....) As for the 'coaching' in the Osha tests I was more under the impression that they took a different approach cause Mae had clearly been told to throw the test.
One important thing to highlight is that Indara warned Sol twice about projecting onto others, both when he confused his own feelings with Torbin’s and then later when he confused what Osha wants with what he wants. Everyone says ofc they would stab Aniseya, but if Sol was doing the Jedi thing he could have noticed she did not have aggression in her heart. But Sol projected his fear and capacity for violence onto Mother Aniseya. If only he listened to Indara…..this also calls back to when Torbin was possessed. Indara remained calm while Sol was ready to fight
Key take-aways from this essay:
1) Lack of credible information and tactics will usually lead to bad things
2) Proper marination is the key to everything
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I really appreciate your take. The behavior of the fans and certain UA-camrs has bothered me far more than the bad choices that Disney has made. Your response is measured and cathartic. I really wish I knew you in person so we could sit down and talk about this.
This guy is a genius, giving the best Acolyte takes and advice on how to be a good cook.
There's a guy called The Urban Acolyte. Just talks the content and thinks about what he's watching. Like this channel. Those other channels I think either don't watch or watch only to find stuff they dislike.
Bro was breaking down the cooking shit as I read this
@@PersonalShowArchiveSame haha
As a fan from 1977, I must add that there was backlash by the fans when Return of the Jedi came out. Fans were up in arms about the Ewoks and the death of Boba Fett.
It was this backlash that caused George to move on from Star Wars. Thankfully he would change his mind and give us The Prequels, but again there was backlash against him.
The big difference is that we were in the early days of social media.
Of all the Star Wars projects (not including the novels and comics), the only one that I have issue with is Rise of Skywalker (not that anyone cares, but I feel that was a bad movie, there are rumors of a directors cut, and the lack of deleted scenes does support this), however as a fan I still find myself sucked into it whenever it’s on TV.
On the same boat as you ^_^
Thank you for your perspective. I saw return of the Jedi in the theaters as a young child but it wasn't till Episode one came out that I went back and read reviews and fan reactions for Episode 6.
Parts of this fan base just loves this universe and lore too deeply to be objective or satisfied with everything that is written for the Star wars Universe.
When I watch or read Star Wars content, in general, I view it through the lens of a comic book level of depth sophistication. By doing so, I keep my expectations for great writing lower, and thereby I'm rarely greatly disappointed.
Indara feels like a Star Trek captain living in the Star Wars universe
"There is coffee in that vergance"...
Indara was actually a great Jedi. In this situation, her only mistake may have been actually bending the rules at all.
Yes, and she only bent the rules because of her compassion for Osha. Osha had lost everything. All she had left was the dream of becoming a Jedi and Indara just wasn’t cruel enough to take that away from her too
Can we also talk about how powerful of a Jedi Indara was? She is ultimately the one that killed every witch in the coven. It was out of necessity because she had to free Kelnacca’s mind from their influence but she used some kind of powerful technique to do that which killed all the witches connected to his mind, which was all of them
@@cultmecca Yes, all the ones in his mind, but not the mothers. Sol killed one mother witch, and the other one escaped. But she did seem to have the most power. I harken back to episode three, when Aniseya talked about power and who is allowed to use it. If Indara had that much power, she would also have more responsibility to make the best decisions. But she let her emotions take over and deferred to Sol instead of sticking to her guns and asking the council for guidance. After all, they didn't know enough about the coven to be sure the girls were in as much danger as Sol feared. In essence, she let his fear, but not enough facts, invade her ability to evaluate the situation. She also let her padawan out of her sight while listening to Sol. That was too careless. In hindsight, she may have had too much power. Should any Jedi or Force user have that much?
@@cultmeccaI don't think she killed them. I think she knocked them out. The fire killed them shortly after.
I think she also made the mistake of not being a little more compassionate and understanding with Torbin. She only made his anxieties worse as she gave no comfort or reassurance for weeks. I hate feeling aimless and would feel pretty lost as well if I didn't know why I was sent to do something for weeks. Him being homesick too could have used some compassion. It only blew up so hard in their face because he tried repressing that emotion so much it burst.
@@Dakarai_KnightWhich would make her teasing Sol about not having an apprentice ironic as she arguably wasn’t being the best teacher to him, or at least, her “company woman” status was at odds with his reasonable immaturity as a young person.
Sol had the right idea about the coven being untrustworthy, as most of its members seemed to defy Aniseya’s will to allow Osha to leave, as they saw her more as a religious figure than a person and wouldn’t accept Osha didn’t want to stay with them because they feared how “women like her” (as in witches, the problem being that the witches are just regular Force-sensitives without access to Force ichor, the mist the witches keep manifesting when they use their powers) would be treated outside the borders of their facility, which ended up being rather fair to her all things considered, as the Jedi let her go when she “failed” to meet their standards and process her trauma the way they felt she should.
It was only when Mae started rampaging that the Jedi targeted Osha, mistaking her for Mae. Mae’s actions dragged Osha into this mess that everyone else is paying for.
I’m glad you showed that clip of George! That’s the bullet point I always pointed out to the current Disney haters and they said it doesn’t exist. Lucas pretty much quit Star Wars because of the “fanbros” because he couldn’t experiment as a filmmaker with his world. Disney is basically saying “hold my beer” - and I like it!
“Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering”
I'm going to use Yoda's wisdom for any funeral speeches. He is the master of learning to let go. Of emotion, jelousy, of sorrow. To rejoice those who have joined the force
Suffering leads to drugs. Blow leads to sex.
"Good blow this, horny it makes me"
-Yoda in chappelle show.
Hate led to Allen's culinary tips 🤣🤣
Marinating leads to taste, taste leads to a good meal, a good meal leads to enjoyment
This is such a thoughtful review and spot on describing the vitriol-mongers.
Probably your best constructed essay thus far, and you have had some good ones.
Manyyyy good ones 🙂
your analysis of this situation is exactly what the jedi needed.
I loved the prequels, and it breaks my heart every time I hear George talk about their reception. You can hear the hurt, bewilderment and resulting anger in his voice.
I love how you point out that the hate and vitriol exhibited by some so-called fans is dark side behavior.
Haha, tips for cooking and serving interplanetary meats. 😂
Sol may not be the hero we thought him to be, but he has good intentions. We all have to fight against the dark side every day. As you say, some of us may have a more difficult time than others, but we should always be striving for the light. Sometimes rules and protocol are what get us over the hump of our own emotions.
I really enjoy your videos and look forward to the content you produce!
Seeing this video after another particular large content creator, who's embracing the hatred in almost every video at this point, is refreshing.
You still have points of disagreement with the creative direction but you still referenced the past within the fandom and how it's not really changed.
You should be proud of your channel and content.
Theory is a grifter.
@@chrishealton3830 oh yes yes yes
If only more people actually knew about his channel, as well as eckhartsladder, these guys are very neutral in their opinions of the series and star wars I feel
But nah people want to hate and absorb false narratives because they want feel something to drive their opinions
Is it theory your talking about? I bet it is hahahahaha
Indarra is by far the most interesting character, I wish we had a lot more of her
Thoughtful analysis again. Thank you. It’s refreshing these days.
Some OG fans, I love all this stuff. At 5 I learned I have a hero. I've learned a lot about the complications of heros as me and Star Wars have grown up.
Another excellent video. I really appreciated the way that you broke down the actions and motives of the characters. And I really loved your closing comments!
I've been a member of the fandoms for Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel Comics, and DC Comics for decades, and there are some toxic fans in all four groups, but Star Wars has BY FAR the highest percentage of toxic fans. It's no contest!
Is it the percentage or just the sheer size of it though?
Yup. It's just like George Lucas wanted though. He wanted a mythos for planet Earth, something to inspire the youth as they enter adulthood. He probably had no idea how dangerous this idea could become. Fanatics take the lore and canon to another level and judge others against their understanding of this mythical story. Star Wars fandom is an another level than any other fandom in the histroy of cinema (or even books, like Lord of the Rings). Star Wars had become a subconsious religion and religion can be used for good and for bad. It's become a tool, unfortunately.
I just try to enjoy the galaxy itself more than the story. It's helped me to love Star Wars through all it's ups and downs. The droids, the ships, the lightsabers. Give me a cute droid and a heartfelt personal fight to the death and I'm fucking good. All day baby.
Enjoying The Acolyte so very very much. Sad that so many care more about the literal words on the page of their religious bible than the message that story is trying to tell.
@@ichigen511 I am enjoying the hell out of it too. I foresee that like most other Star Wars stuff on Disney Plus, I will rewatch it and continue to enjoy it each time.
I agree. The level of toxicity has become (for lack of a better word) "dark." And it seems reflective of what's happening in the US outside of fantasy films/TV these days. Suppose significant studios like Disney or Paramount with massive IPs begin to feel like they attempt to add a "different flavor" to familiar IPs. In that case, we will see a gluttonous amount of sameness in these popular shows and movies. TBH, it's already happening with a lot of loved properties.
That's not toxic, that's just passionate (Source: Henry Cavill, 2020)
Calling every opinion that rubs you the wrong way toxic is also its own brand of toxicity. You know why SW is getting so much hate? It's because fans hate the deliberate and/or via incompetence destruction of a once great IP, and further, the incessant antagonistic marketing that falsely paints any criticism as some form of bigotry to smear your paying customer. Disney self-manufactured this situation.
Nuna cooking commentary and culinary suggestions were not something I realized I needed to brighten my day today, but here we are. 😊
Even in the original trilogy, I'd say the Jedi as portrayed as well intentioned but quite gray. "What I was saying is true, in acertain way."
I watched this entire video, just like I promised. That’s because my allegiance is to democracy. I will vote!
I think one thing people might miss with how Lucas PT showed the Order is that there's a mixed attitude of 1) this is the way things are. The way things are works. There is no need to adapt the way things are for the individual, and 2) The way things are done can be interpreted. You see this clash with the Council and the attitude towards Jinn. It's entirely what Obi's "if you'd only listen to the council" comment was about. The Jedi path is individual, but you'd better do it like everyone else believes it should be done. This is why you can have two different masters/knights with wildly different views on what is the right action or emotion in any situation.
I’m a Star Wars fan and have been since the 1980s. There are very few Star Wars shows/ movies I don’t enjoy. Maybe it has t gone the direction we expected but that’s okay. It didn’t make it bad.
The irony of a Jedi saying “they don’t treat them like children “
I was thinking the same thing. I don't remember seeing any play grounds in the Jedi Temple. Kinda the pot calling the kettle black.
“/we/ kidnap toddlers in the right way, unlike you, witches!”
Excellent point.
The jedi don't even have spice creams
As they trot tweenagers out onto battlefields as commanders no, generals
I just had an idea what if Sol, Torbin, and Kelbacca where like black sheep, they were all to skilled to fire, but to disagreeable for everyday work so they put on scouting duty were they would presumably do the least amount of damage you see this sort of thing in companies and the military/police all the time
That's a possibly but I think that's not the case here.
I've really been enjoying this series on the Acolyte. While I am sure daily videos are important to the algorithm, Alan's videos rarely feel like content for content's sake, but rather well organized and thought provoking discussions. I used to watch a number of channels for star wars content, but since this show came out I've whittled it down to only two. The amount of negativity for negativity's sake is palpable.
LOVE Alan’s content! But there are some other positive Star Wars channels still out there, if you know where to look. Kyle Katarn, The 716th Legion, One Protagonist, Heroes Reforged, Mando Talk, and Star Wars Explained are just a few of the great channels that you can watch, refreshingly free of toxic negativity.
@@kirkhassett8726 Thankyou, I've only heard of two of those.
Chrome is not the only one with this view, I will always listen to Master Xie and his exemplary take on the latest content.
He's the best Star Wars UA-camr IMO.
@@kirkhassett8726thanks for the list. I wasn't familiar with these channels. I've been trying to purge all the toxic alt right Star wars channels on my feed.
@@s.n.9485 You’re welcome. There are some others as well. But I think if you check these ones out, the algorithm gods might direct you towards them. Especially since the start of The Acolyte, many of them will make a point of stating their support and condemning the negativity and threats. That’s the way to tell. These channels are able to enjoy the content while giving fair reviews and criticism that’s supportive, not destructive.
Thank you so much, it is the fans that destroyed it.
1) Love the commentary as always, 2) especially loved the food detour, and 3) if you have any more details about the Hoisin-marinated turkey, please share them :)
Generation Tech delivers once again. No whining, no bitching, no over criticizing, nothing but constructive breakdowns. Generation Tech…the only way to fly.
The whole video is a premise for him to whine and bitch over "toxic fandom" and being yes-UNDER-criticizing and having the most toothless takes and mental gymnastics. Literally the opposite of not whining.
@@Fear_the_Nog I know man, I watched the video…thank you.
@@Fear_the_NogBoohoo 😭 go cry about it on a hate channel like theory's. GAWD you guys are soooo insecure, gotta cry on other channels about it lol pathetic
I still think the Wookie apologized a thousand times, on the way back to Coroscant.
He had to. He broke the wookiee taboo on "no claws" in combat. Gigantic faux-pas.
@johannesbowers7467 those weren't faux paws.
@@Frank-costanza 🤪 I see what you did there
@@johannesbowers7467 they are gigantic. 😄
@@Frank-costanza The wookiee taboos parallel ours... no claws = no teeth😫
IYKYK 😏
If you enjoy hating something you used to enjoy loving, its time to question what your doing in life. Ive seen people celebrating the low RT scores. Why would you do that?
Disney have had some misses, but because i love SW i look for the things i like.
It just feels like this fanbase has such a problem with making huge talking heads stear sentiment , everyone parroting somebody than just thinking for themselves or like the RT thing making it a game at this point . 90 percent of the reviews were discovered to be bots all putting 1 star stuff lmao .
Some people on Reddit criticizing the show confessed they don’t watch the show and instead watch 2-3 hrs per week of UA-cam reviews trashing the show…like get a fucking life lmao
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and level headed discussion of the show. I really look forward to your videos.
So many great points in this one. ❤🎉
"don't mistake what you want for what she wants" Osha literally said she wanted to be a Jedi
I also love that you've talked about how the fandom has fully embraced the darkside, smh. SINCE THE PREQUELS!
That Matrix nod in the intro though! Indara is underrated.
Yoda would probably caution fans who are hating to heed the dark side of the force and let go of the past, to let it be one with the force, and so goes his words
Thats the thing: the fans are all different, each with different expectations.
Some are superficial, while others are deep divers.
Some are into lightsaber and blasters, while others are into the politics and lore.
Some are into the scenery and cultures, while others are into the ships and vehicles.
Some approach the stories casually, while others approach them critically.
What is a "true fan"? I'd say one who can embrace it all, for good and for bad, and still enjoy it for what it is.
This channel is top tier.
My favorite part of this episode is Allen talking about marinating meat 😂 , love the amazing content Allen!
I think the fact that Indara was able intervene in a reckless situation with overwhelming odds and save every member of her team stands in stark contrast to Sol who blundered head long into a trap and lost his whole team.
The fans destroying Star Wars is sooo true. Not all the fans obviously but enough of the ones that just blindly hate on anything that comes out of
Torbin reminded me of a mix of Obi wan cos of his accent and Anakin with the “no I’m taking him now” zooming off on his speeder
The first movies were more mythical in nature vs the prequels. I like the balance of both that the Acolyte portrays.
Damn, the transition from day to night comes quick on Coruscant.
The archetypes Star Wars creates are extremely strong and most people, especially people who have successfully used their own archetype to live or escape from reality, do not want it changed. Archetypes stay the same even as they change with humanity’s growth.
I feel the same way about the Fandom. They forget what star wars ultimately teaches us. Don't give in to fear or hopelessness.
The more they try to paint Sol as being compassionate and worried for the children (or Osha) the more he feels like a villain. He's just so obsessed with Osha. When he explains the mission to Torbin, he says the vergence must be "studied, protected" like he just is obsessed for no reason. I think he went in knowing that he wanted this vergence, and then when he found it, he wanted to have it at all costs.
The tangential of marinating protein for flavor was my fav part for me as a cook wannabe 😂
I found your channel recently and have been enjoying it. Your comments about policing and its monopoly on power were really insightful.
A massiv missed oppourtunity to not call Indara Trindara
I really want to know where people got this idea that the Jedi were perfect and that the star wars universe was a perfect universe where everything was meticulously planned from the start
I don't think anyone expects them to be perfect, but these characters behave like they aren't Jedi, but like audience members pretending to be ones. The one Padawan just wants to go home, he's been a Jedi for probably 13 years. He's likely been away longer than this. But the show seems to be trying to relate to younger viewers.
The show has huge consistency issue, such as with Mae, who goes from a cold blooded assassin to one that changes her mind every 10 minutes and wants to sneak onto Sol's ship for some reason.
@@goldfishprime🙄 thats your problem, having a preconceived notion of how jedi should act, in an unexplored timeframe 🤷 how? And that Mae example isnt worth anything lol oohh no, a traumatized sociopathic kid is "inconsistent" in the way she acts.... Really? How is that even an argument? Anyways, im always ooen to criticism that make sense... But not this lol
@@goldfishprime personally I think the main problem is that the mainstream SW content doesn't showcase enough of the flaws and/or strength of the Jedi (and Sith by extension), it's always the duality and opposion good vs bad.
Most of the great and better written SW content have been done in video games imo, like KOTOR and more recently Jedi: Fallen Order & Survivor or even the mmo SWTOR.
I mean even the animated shows, Clone Wars and Rebels, portrayed many aspects of how the Jedis and their order was going downhill and that they weren't these perfect and virtuous characters, most of the better characters were always those that went outside the jedi code and doctrine, except for some individuals like Obiwan and Qui-Gon for example, but they still failed in some way
@@goldfishprime
Torbin is a bored teenager from a mining colony that grew up in a megaopolis. This forest is likely the most natural and most boring place he has ever been in his life and he has no choice over anything in his situation. His master admittedly doesn't tell him shit because she wants him to figure things out himself. So here he is stuck in the middle of nowhere, in an environment he doesn't have experience with, against his will, cataloguing boring moss for two months with no end in sight and no understanding of why he is there; especially when they could have made a droid do this work. Oh and to make it better, he just got mind raped by a witch.
A little hard to be a stoic, emotionless Jedi, especially with that last situation.
Adult Mae is two things; a survivor first and everything else second. Everything we see she does is to try and create the best circumstances for her survival with the opportunities she has in front of her. She is extremely consistent in her motivation as an adult so far.
Takes up with a strange dude who offers her training and power, in return for her using those skills to kill the Jedi that killed her family. Finds out her sister is alive; maybe she can have her family back after she does some time for her crimes. Oops turns out that the mysterious stranger is her friend she confided in and is going to kill her now; She can either try an bluff a Jedi who has the only ride out of here or can stay here and die by nature or evil master. Now she's on the ship; she can try and kill this Jedi or she can let it ride and try to get away scott free. She chooses best survival scenario everytime.
I really want to know why people have decided to accept mediocrity.
what I expected: Acolyte discussion.
what i got: pontificating about cooking nuna legs.
As a long-time SW fan who likes to use UA-cam to better understand the SW universe. And even though I am not a fan of the sequel trilogy, because of "Jake" Skywalker. I have recently removed myself from many of UA-cam SW streeming "experts." Frankly, I am burnt out on SW fandom controversy. I'm sick of hearing about KK and how SW is "destroyed" or "over" or "ruined" forever... bla, bla bla...
So, I now only make time for this channel and two others for my SW lore content.
Negativity certainly draws clicks. Our society and even our world may implode from all the negativity and divisiveness that results.
Sadly, those caught in the trap that was so carefully rage-baited, don't always realize and so end up stuck there and even helping to perpetuate the negativity even longer, and causing it to become stronger which allows it to catch more people.
I feel bad for thinking Master Indara was like pure evil and corrupt when she was the one who tried to help the others. I'm sorry Master Trinity
Another great video, thank you Allan
The hate that's being hurled at this show is unwarranted. It's no where nearly as bad as naysayers are saying it is; it's a decent show at the very least, but it's a good show in my opinion.
EDIT:
Like many other streaming shows, _The Acolyte_ appears worse than it actually is because people are watching it episode-by-episode on a week-to-week basis; this has ruined people's perception of its pacing.
This show is written like an extended movie, which means that it flows better when it's binge-watched. Each of its episodes is equivalent to one half of an act, which is why it appears so asymmetrical in regard to how certain types of events are distributed among its episodes (e.g. dialogue, drama, action, etc).
It just so happens that by the time that I started watching it, its first 6 episodes had been released, so I was able to binge watch them. I was therefore better able to appreciate its pacing relative to most other viewers; an action-packed episode followed by a dialogue-heavy one did not bother me, because that's typical in a movie.
Additionally, The Acolyte features some of the best hand-to-hand combat and lightsaber dueling that's ever been in Star Wars, and it has a few intriguing mini-mysteries, such as the initial apparent mystery of Osha being in two places at once or the identity of Mae's master; these mysteries help maintain engagememt in the story. I also love the portrayal of the Jedi Order as imperfect, because it would be unrealistic for such a large and expansive organization to always live up to its ideals and to be void of internal conflict.
Right? Some of them are saying it's the worst show ever and that's such an exaggeration. The truth is that they were turned against the show before it even came out because it was directed by Leslye Headland, whom they've been told they should hate for reasons. A lot of them got told the show is "woke" and even though it's really not they pick the show apart to find instances of "wokeness" to get angry about. The Acolyte is a victim of the culture war, pure and simple. It isn't the first and I'm sure it won't be the last.
Everything you said was wrong.
Sure man if I turned my brain off too it wouldn’t be as bad
Oh? So what are your highly intellectual criticisms of this series?
@@davidduncan5897 "they were turned against the show before it even came out"
I'll be honest, I didn't like the idea of this grifter Headland coming in to try to further subvert our expectations about Star Wars, and I was concerned that she might actually make a competently produced show, and her "brand" of Star Wars would become popular with many, but boy, was I WAY OFF. What we actually got was the worst tumblr fan fiction imaginable, that even many shills like Grace Randolph can't even get behind.
The Acolyte isn't a "victim" in the culture war, it's one of its worst aggressors.
Great video! I enjoy your analysis of this situation. I must point out though, that the jedi did leave after 7 weeks.
If only more star wars fans watched your channel and your understanding of the series and wider media, it would maybe help us actually unite as a group
But no people are sheep and follow the biggest grifter/hater In the crowd
Oh THANK YOU! Finally you recognize the validity of the Jedi's training system and how unfair your first evaluations, especially of Indara, were.
Toldya, I guess :P
wow, I literally had the same 'fight' on FB earlier today about the vitriol the series has gotten, and you literally said what I said about the prequels.
I do not blindly defend current Star Wars or Disney, and The Acolyte is not perfect. But it is far from "killing Star Wars" or "the worst ever". I do find it odd how some of the harshest critics of what they term "Disney's Star Wars" were also among the most ruthless of George Lucas back in the prequels. If anyone is killing Star Wars, it's certain parts of the fandom I think. Lucas decided to portray the Jedi as incompetent as an organisation, yet still sympathetic, back in the prequels. This is further expanded upon by Dave Filoni in the Clone Wars series, specifically with the framing of Ahsoka and the Jedi leadership's failure with the situation of clone troopers Tup and Fives.
Do you remember the hate Lucas and the actors who portrayed Anakin received by "fans"?
Do you remember the hate Ahsoka as a character and her voice actor received by "fans"?
The lesson of Star Wars is to grow beyond your past and strive to do better. I do hope us fans remember that, and critique the media we consume with a clear and open mind.
Well said
3:02 I’ve been saying this forever and everyone called me a hater 😂
OK - hoisin marination is some next-level cooking shit! Again, I realize why I love Generation Tech.
ive tried making the "its really the fans ruining star wars" thing but people almost always respond with "yea but disney bad"
These people have no idea how to talk to other fans, its there way or you are the devil
Indara - the best thing about this show.
Sol and Qimir tho
One of the best thing for me, the show is really good for me. But my girl Jecki is sooo cool.
I hope lucasfilms find some way to bring more stories about her.
@@babytoshiro7014Get better standards
I love the series as a whole, but Qimir and Sol have become two of my favorite Star Wars characters of all time.
Jedi Master Trinity
Wait!!! Go back and talk about the hoisin marinated turkey! I need more details asap!
Great video btw. Thank you for consistently posting well balanced content. You are my FAVORITE Star Wars Lore page.
Indara mentioning to Sol that she doesn't give him answers to soothe his mind, she let's him figure it out himself, is a big clue that the show might not give us any answers in the end. maybe she shot the place while alone in the ship. 🤷♂
SW fandom don't like to think. They want pretty lightsabers and action. This is what set movies and tv series like Dune, Andor, and GOT apart from regular SW. Even Trek at least tries to make you think and have been successful with their tv shows.
Lots in the fandom want more than lightsabers and I enjoy this show for its bigger picture no matter the flaw.
@@babytoshiro7014 they used to think. Some of us still do.
Indara is a great example of how to deal with teenagers. The way she handles sols fears doubts and anxieties is the best way to handle your teenagers. Teenagers mostly need validation of their feelings more than anything and it helps to calm them down the way master indara does.
*"We have a rule. We never free a mind once it's reached a certain age. It's dangerous, the mind has trouble letting go."*
Now the more I think about it Sol (and Qui Gon too for that matter) are a bit like Morpheus; so driven by their idealism and desire to free, protect and train those they deem worthy they fail to see the bigger picture until it's too late.
Seeing Torbin under the Baresh Vow made me think of the old man in Monty Python Life of Brian who took the vow of silence until he got his foot stepped on
😂 The old naked man whose beard was so long that it covered his junk! 😅
@@TonyMidyettA blessing! A blessing!
Jehovah… Jehovah…..always look on the bright side of life
😄😂"Cooking with Alan"! What a gem at 7:20. "If you really want to solve the problem of flavor...." So funny, and so true at the same time! Marinate, my brothers and sisters. Marinate! 🤣 Thanks Alan, you are pure GOLD my man. 😁
I think one of the things a segment of the fandom is struggling with is the continued departure from the initial high fantasy concepts of “A New Hope” where the bad guys were unambiguously bad and the good guys unambiguously good. But the subsequent films in the OT already began breaking down the mythology of the Jedi being unambiguously good. Probably the biggest example I can think of is Yoda and Kenobi withholding the true identity of Darth Vader and then when called out for it by Luke that it was met with “true from a certain point of view.” Since then with the prequel and sequel movies and tv shows there have been continued explorations of the Jedi history and how and why they had failed either in their missions or ideals at various times. To summarize my point I think some fans don’t like to have their biases and conceptions of the franchise deconstructed or criticized in any way from how they experienced it as children.
The problem is that too many modern writers are deeply flawed people, who sympathize with the villain(s) and do this over-used shades of grey or sympathetic villain trope. Vader still had complexity, stage presence and character development. Meanwhile the antagonists in this show are just victims of everything and society, have blank SSRI stares instead of emotion, and rely on plot convenience instead of character development.
You're one of the few content creators that's actually attempting to analyze this show and its characters and you're one of the only creators that's actually talking some sense. There is so much undeserved hate fort this show from part of the fandom and most of it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Of course we're all entitled to our opinions but many of the things that get said about The Acolyte are such a reach. Yes the show has some glaring issues. For one thing I think some of the editing does a huge disservice to the writing by not allowing some moments to breathe before cutting to another moment. Also some of the delivery of dialogue fell a bit flat for me. Otherwise The Acolyte has been a pretty good show. Thank you for taking The Acolyte seriously and sharing your analysis/theories. You're one of the good ones Allen.
Yea, agreed. I know I have said this a hundred times by now but I do not think the hate on the show is at the fault of the show. Its the low PR and the recent leaked footage sent out regarding Disney's business practices that have destroyed not just the show but probably the company.
@@christopherpoet458 I may dislike the acolyte and the company, but Andor was still an excellent show. This show isn't, and the hate being garnered by the lazy writing, emotionless acting, abrupt episode endings, and the quickly revealed failed attempts at creating mystery are all reasons to dislike it. I'd still rather watch the holiday special than this show, even if it didn't have the power of many scene, and that's the icing on the cake. I liked the night sisters in the clone wars, but this Temu knockoff coven is cringe beyond parody.
Damn you pump out content
0:25 Nobody can resist putting in some The Matrix reference when Carrie-Anne Moss is there.
I have a theory, the power of Mae and Osha influenced everyone actions... Sol focus only in Osha, who wants to leave and Koril focus prevent Osha from leaving, like Mae wants
So they're like the ring of power?
Funny how we as the audience have to come up with theories to make the show make scenes some how or even be good
@@Frank-costanza one set of twins to rule them all, one set to find them, one set to bring them all and in the dark side bind them
Thanks for another thoughtful video
Why is everybody so clueless about "slicing" a lock in sw? Clone commandos used this tech and method, as did bounty hunters and Jedi. Ordo and Mereel and their brothers sliced locks and doors all over the place. Skirata taught them well. I didn't watch it but didn't Tech slice locks in The Bad Batch?
Huge facts. The worst part of Star Wars are the "fans." Some truly disgusting people.
I found Acolyte more enjoyable than Ahsoka and the fans say otherwise. The characters in Acolyte have more personality and complexity than the ones in Ahsoka.
Something we all tend to forget in 2024, is that Star Wars and Star Trek were contemporaries, from a certain point of view. Back then it was a common trope in Sci-Fi, thanks to Star Trek, to laud the unemotional dispassionate character. (Thanks Spock.) George Lucas didn’t know he was launching a franchise and so adopted the ‘unemotional dispassionate’ trope and applied it to all Jedi, which helped narratively to distinguish Jedi from Sith.
For one movie and one character, Ben Kenobi, that was fine and wonderful. Fast forward (to the past) and the prequels you have 3/4 of the cast in a trilogy of movies trying to emote over the top of an ‘unemotional dispassionate façade’. If the actors were successful, they broke cannon and if they were unsuccessful, they were boring to the fans.
Fast forward again to Disney+ era and whenever you have a group of Jedi being proper Jedi the show is boring and slow. Sci-fi and Star Wars need to drop treating emotions as bad. Hopefully Daisy Ridley’s Rey will fix this going forward. And stories placed in the Old Republic or earlier can treat the same Jedi dogma differently, instead of suppressing emotions to avoid the Darkside, they work hard to manage their emotions to avoid the Darkside.
Luke, in his 20s, managed to bring his father back to the light side of the Force. Similarly, Rey, who was around the same age, not only brought Ben Solo back but also defeated Sidious. Granted, they were both Force royalty, but let’s remember this is all fiction. Perhaps we should consider the idea that training individuals for serious tasks when they’re in their 20s, rather than sending them to a boarding school where their ‘master’ takes them into battle, might be a better approach. If the battle doesn’t kill them, there’s a good chance they’ll be slaughtered by an alumnus turned Sith. Maybe waiting until they’re in their 20s could work, even for those who aren’t Force royalty?
Idk if anybody has ever complimented your dry humor before but as someone who is constantly getting their dry humor misunderstood it's so great to see someone fearlessly use it and I acknowledge this and am grateful I'm not the only one! (I'm talking about the part where he goes on about not pissing off a wookie for their cooking skills lol)
I've been a fan since Star Wars first came out, and I love the Star Wars universe. They've put out a lot of crap, like buggy, unplayable games. I love KOTOR 1 & 2, but they were buggy and unfinished.
However, I think we can all agree that the real abomination was the Holiday special (may it never see the light of day again). In comparison, everything else has been really good.
I appreciate your efforts to restore peace to the galaxy.
Only the strongest SW fans dare watch the Hollyday Special.
The holiday special is still better than the acolyte, and has the RT score to back it up
@@redoctober1 I've watched both. Depending on the finale, I might watch the Acolyte again, but never the Holiday Special. It's fine if it's not to your taste, and there are definitely things about it I don't like, but I'm going on my own opinion, not the opinion that's been fed to me by one side or the other.
The Jedi code is more what you’d call “guidelines” than actual rules.
what you said About the fans saying poo poo on Disney compared to the prequels and how they were hated, Is exactly how i see the Star wars community right now i predict 10-20 years in the future we will have channels like SW Theory pop up defending Disney Star Wars like SW Theory defends the Prequels. Its a viscious cycle of Hate for ultimately a fantastical Universe which Canon is convoluted and honestly unimportant when it comes to most things as even the creators of Star Wars didnt care about the identity and potential of the overall universe, they wanted to tell a story they told that story and then when they had to revisit the Story for the Fans thanks to Corporate decisions, everyone hated it. But even still The Prequels are beloved and Disney will be in time as well.
I’ve often argued that the Jedi are a meditation on the role of a knight-errant (understood as a spiritual-ethical mode of being) within the context of a contemporary-coded world. In this we find very interesting discussions of ethics, particularly as pertaining to personal decision making in crisis (OT, Rebels, and ST), but also in trying to have organizational structures supportive of knight-errantry and the spiritual strivings involved (PT, TCW, Ahsoka, and the High Republic, including The Acolyte). This broader context, I think, gives a good space for grasping how your discussions here about the strengths of the Jedi Order as an organization and its guiding Code and your various critiques of the Jedi Order are both sound and salient. And as much as folks want to give the new canon a lot of guff, this seems to be one of the guiding interests of the creators working on these project. That is, the difficulty that arises from the tensions between necessities of both individual autonomy and social solidarity; will this tension be one of conflict? or oppression / repression? or creative harmony? And what do these three possible outcomes look like?
You know, I hope the series does get a good green light to make another season because I'm beginning to understand the High Republic and I really want to understand the Old Republic even more. Not just an animation, but also in live action. You get it, right? From a fan of Star Wars to a Star Wars UA-camr.
That is not happening
@@idiot_city5444 oh really lets wait and see ok bro
@user-yc9vv9xb8s do some research lol. This is the worst received, worst reviewed, worst viewer numbers, of any SW project ever... they are not going to throw money at something that has failed this badly
@@idiot_city5444 And yet there are many fans who are true believers of Star Wars who still watch it. So don't count your hopes down, OK? It'll go up. It just takes time like every other show, OK? They're good and bad at the same time, but regardless it's a great show and it deserves more seasons like every other show and every other movie deserves prequels sequels. OK.
@@YayoHernandez-b1j I admire your optimism. I really do and I wish the film industry worked this way... but my friend... that is not how it works. I am a film student. I am a writer by trade. I know people who work in the industry and I have been in several conversations regarding this subject. I am not putting this out here to be mean, but I am going to be honest and straight about it. This show is not going to see a second season.
Thank you
Fun Fact:
A "Fan" is a term derived from the word: "Fanatic".
I'm beginning to ask myself what if the Jedi had told the witches they were searching for a vergence. What could it have changed?
loved the tangent into the benefits of marination
Carrie Anne did a superb job
ILL SAY IT
Generation Tech should do a video about different food types that are in the star wars universe, compare them with real-world, and then talk about how they may work out IRL
She didn’t die. She just woke up.
Super sick intro… “I’m in”… it all got me super hype for this video and as always, fantastic insights
(Semi irrelevant but seeing the clips just makes me think how adding yellow lightsabers in that High Republic era really makes for visual coolness on screen. If you compare it to the Big Lightsaber Fight On Geonosis, for instance....)
As for the 'coaching' in the Osha tests I was more under the impression that they took a different approach cause Mae had clearly been told to throw the test.
Watching this show it felt just ok or fine but when I was curious looking into it I was like ok not a masterpiece but the hate is a tad extreme
How dare you refer to the prequels as more than a quarter century ago! If that were true, I'd be old
Crazy right