I find anything found on the clothes needs to be doubted. The fine, embedded plastic isn’t persuasive. If they wanted to discover the truth, they should have preserved and recorded evidence carefully. They should have collected the evidence with care and documented the grid!
@@kelliethomson922Technically they didn't prove it, but it was their opinion it wasn't a vehicle strike. That was also the opinion of the commonwealth's ME and the defense's medical expert. Dr Russell, the dog lady with extensive ER experience and insane qualifications also didn't believe his injuries were caused by a vehicle strike and her opinion was his arm injuries were from an animal attack. That's the way expert witnesses work. It's almost impossible to prove something didn't happen, but I'm far more inclined to listen to expert opinions than Trooper Proctor who texts like the crudest teenage boy and Trooper Paul who doesn't know what "momentum" is or even what "confirmation bias" is. That and simple logic. He was hit in the arm by an suv and had no bruising.
It’s not just that the investigation was poor, though, as if he’s metely incompetent. He conducted a purposely fraudulent investigation. A criminally bad investigation - both literally and figuratively. We should be talking about when he’ll go to prison, not about when they might finally fire him.
Karen sideswiped John, her side mirror clipped the back of his head going 9mph Chkoe started barking, they let her out back, she escaped, they found John, they called Berkowitz and Pictor instead of 911 because Higgins was OUI, had damage to his plow and was going to lose his job if they made him submit his BAC. They all knew by 1am
Men's misogyny, like Proctor's behavior, has always made me very angry. I felt that I could do whatever men did, so in 1978, I became one of the first women to drive semi-trucks in LA. I did it for 10 years. Later, after becoming a single mom, I went to a university and earned a degree in criminal justice. I raised a good son who treats women with respect. Thank you, Lawyer Lee. 🌻
Me too! The girls/now women think equity goes without saying & are intelligent, talented, fierce & kind. The boys/now men think equity goes without saying, & are intelligent, talented, strong & kind. i am so proud of all of them!
Amen to that! I view it the same way. I think that in broad terms, men tend to be „better“ at certain things per average - because of particular male strengths and gifts. But simultaneously, women also tend to be better at certain things due to FEMALE strengths and gifts. So my idea of a better society is that both men and women acknowledge to these factors and honor them. To me as a man, there are wonderful qualities in women I treasure, and that hopefully, I have learned from in my life. Also, I have seen a number of women who made an effort to learn from men. Part of the problems surrounding sexism in life are due to men and women living in an entrenched mindset. Then, mutual learning and true respect become impossible. Prejudices increase. And injustice becomes inevitable.
Both kids testified that Karen didn’t have access to the ring video, and neither did they. It was only accessible through John’s phone, which was in Proctors custody.
I think the word "scapegoat" is misleading. It leads you to think he was somewhat innocent & everyone BLAMED him. Proctor was the leader of This Band. Imo
I realize the O’Keefe family is in pain. But I lost some sympathy for them when they laughed at Proctor’s remarks about KR. Not cool. No one comes out of this looking good. (Except Alan Jackson.)
Caught ya on the replay crew, Lee! Why wasn’t this case thrown out after the investigating officer had such bias? If even one officer is shown to be so corrupt, then the odds are that there are more! Always looking forward to the education and impartiality you freely and gladly gift us! You are a rare gem, Lee! We are blessed! Thank You 🥰
No, lawyer lee, you are wrong about Karen read having access to the ring video! There was no ring access on the home computer per the cops. Just access from John’s phone which was in police custody! So whoever deleted the video was a cop!
They couldn’t convict OJ due to bad police work. But this trial made OJ’s look ultra professional. That’s why I don’t understand why this ended in a mistrial. No matter what, this level of unprofessional investigation should have kept it out of court to start with. But it’s disappointing that any jury wouldn’t have said not guilty in 5 minutes. And I don’t even know 100% that she is not guilty. We absolutely can’t allow people to be railroaded by the police. “Better 10 guilty go free than 1 innocent go to jail “
I agree with you totally, and it boggles my mind that it even went to court, much less the jury results, exactly as you said. This town must be a sort of Stepford Wives or Children of the Corn kind of place, only everyone is alcoholic or co-dependent and living in huge denial, and severely skewed mental programming that normalizes behavior the rest of the "normal" world finds shocking. I hope this whole sordid business causes an awakening in that place.
@@anonymoususer4866 I too believe that OJ was guilty, there was practically bloody foot prints from her house to his. I also think that KR is probably not guilty. But I know that the police work was so false that even if she did it we will never see any real proof. And that’s one of the main reasons the investigation has to meet a very high standard. At this point I will never be convinced 100% that she is guilty. Not to mention after years of driving in snowy conditions, how does one suddenly throw one’s car in reverse and make it to 24 mph in the middle of a snowstorm and manage to drive in a straight line in such a short distance?
@@MomaCat59there is actually a UA-cam reenactment by two guys that measured everything off. I believe the top speed he could get to in the recorded distance was 14 mph and he couldn't do it in a straight line. It was later suggested that it happened after the car was taken and spinning in snow, Ie., in reverse but not really moving.
I agree OJ most likely did it, but I would not have voted beyond a reasonable doubt. It looked like the cops actually did plant evidence, perhaps "framing a guilty man", but sorry if I think the cops are cooking the evidence, it's all out the window. Here, I strongly believe Karen is innocent, or at minimum am certain it didn't happen the way Lally claimed... for various reasons, but Lally's own evidence had her away from 34 Fairview at the alleged time it occurred. Add in the rather obvious fact that he was unbruised from being hit by a vehicle and his own ME saying that, in addition to defense's experts saying that . Sheesh what an absurd case.
Poor Karen Read, to sit through the reading of the texts and testimony. I couldn't have handled it with the stoic grace that she did. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she went home and cried her eyes out. I know her lawyers are helping her get through it, but I wish I could express my support to her. I hope she is not embarrassed, but knows that it is them who should be embarrassed.
The irony is, re the disgrace of Karen's medical-confidentiality breach, that she would have seen a Proctologist for that condition. I'm not making this up. Poor Karen, an awful condition to live with and I can only hope that the anger she would feel towards that fool would outweigh her embarrassment.
I would sue the shit out Proctor he disgusting the things he says. Wtf is wrong with you what an embarrassment to state trooper detective unit. Actual the whole police force how they try pin a murder on her.
Legal Bytes has talked about what civil case Read might have against Proctor. A lot of it is vile but not actionable, like using the "c word". However, she pointed out that he revealed private medical information to others and that's illegal under commonwealth law. As for the police force... they said in their press release that because of his behavior as revealed in trial that they were starting an investigation. Well, wait... they already had the "c word" texts and all that. So basically they were hoping that stuff didn't come out in trial...
Agree 💯 and what I think this is there is zero blood on lights on lawn, zero blood on car tail light and zero fragments in John’s arm. Makes no sense, other than mishandled evidence as we have seen, or planted.
I can tell you that I thought types like Proctor and his cronies were mostly a thing of the past. I was so wrong. I had also assumed that neither side doctored evidence. Why is doctored evidence even allowed?!? How is it even possible for ANYONE to decide the truth if the cold, hard evidence is just someone's art project?
Thank god KR could afford/get a competent lawyer ! Can you imagine if this same case against another woman was not a high profile case like this? The jurors could send an innocent woman to prison !
Any other person would've had no choice but to plead out.. so she would be in prison already and that's what they were hoping for. They never expected her to fight.
@@melsafken764 I really don't know. But I do think the jury would have found her not guilty if they found the investigation suspect. They would have decided that the prosecution didn't prove their case
@@melsafken764 To me the critical evidence was the taillight plastic 'discovered' at the scene. You would have to believe it's possible that Proctor planted that evidence, or JOK threw his glass at the taillight to make sense of that evidence. Given the 'admission' it's believable to many people that she hit him accidentally. Personally the totality of the evidence doesn't make sense to me and I cannot reconcile it into that neat conclusion.
It's possible the evidence was planted. It's also possible she hit him accidentally or on purpose. I don't think the prosecution proved either beyond a reasonable doubt. That's why the jury, imo, should have aquitted her.
@@melsafken764it's pretty obvious that they were not level headed and unbiased. Any single person who is truly unbiased would want an aquital. There is no other level headed outcome to this trial. Yet here we are bc clearly some were not...
So glad you're covering this part of the case. Honestly this case still weighs on my mind more than I care to admit. I can only imagine how these families are coping with this lingering case and overall saga.
John O”Keenfe complained to her about drug dealing in the neighborhood by Collin Albert, she brought that information to his father who is a selectman, she’s no good at all. Brian Albert probably beat John for complaining about the drug dealing. Both Collin and Brian Albert take steroids and Colin is said to sell them too.
Exactly, police department needs sanitizing. Big overtime scandal too. All these guys sound like boozy corrupt cops sadly. How many women has Proctor abused with "c you next Tuesday??
I can’t believe this case ever made it to trial in the first place. And what blows my mind the most about Proctor is that he shows almost no shame on the stand… even at this point in the clip I think he thinks he’ll ultimately be untouchable. His texts were so much more than inappropriate, they were hateful, and he should be dismissed on that alone. Are Proctor’s superiors also being investigated? O, yeah, and of course, the MISOGYNY is so blatant.
Absolutely. Tr Paul may be too stupid to understand why his key cycle calculations were wrong but I guarantee Lally isn’t. That was as bad as reversing the Sallyport video, imo.
This really gets to me. I do not understand how a “brother in blue” could literally get the most janky investigation I have ever seen…. At least one that someone is being charged with murder. Where is the integrity, where is the search for truth, I just can’t get on this boat, too many holes
In a male dominated quasi military environment the temptation to be sexist and biased is incredibly strong especially if superiors allow it to go unchecked...
Many of the sustained objections were “as to form” indicated by the judge remarking, “ask another way.” So that didn’t necessarily indicate favoritism. However, exclusion of the dog bite expert was at best a questionable ruling. However IF THERE IS A RETRIAL, the defense will have an opportunity to call the expert with proper notice, perhaps produce a forensic report and overcome the judge’s concerns for exclusion.
The sad part of all this is that they're still going to try her again. This case should've been thrown out a long time ago. Absolute WASTE of time and money.
Oddly enough an alternate Juror who didn’t end up deliberating stated that she still would’ve voted not-guilty had Trooper proctors testimony been completely omitted from the case! I found that fascinating. I found his testimony to be extremely damaging to the case for the same reasons you stated. It made you think what else is this man hiding and how can I trust any of the evidence brought forth by him? She said the commonwealth did not prove their case. It makes you wonder if any of the other jurors felt that way. I felt his testimony completely destroyed the case alongside a lack of solid evidence.
Lee, if the state wants him gone he is gone. There is a recent law that all cops in the state have to have what is in effect a law enforcement license. The license automatically gets yanked for felony charges. Charges, not conviction. All the state has to do is charge him with perjury or evidence tampering and he is on unpaid leave pending the hearing. So if he is still collecting a paycheck it is because the state wants him to.
@@melsafken764 In the 2 years since the law was finalized there are about 20-30 cops in the entire state who have been suspended or had their certification revoked. Proctor has not made that list yet.
Watch Trooper Proctor will “ retire” prior to any investigation. He will receive his full pension. If there is any doubt the trooper will be convicted, they retire. Any Mass.State Employee that gets convicted of a criminal crime loses their pension.
I watched the whole trial and many of your analyses and others. I really don’t get how the jury couldn’t see that the lead investigator is corrupt and incompetent. It is utterly illogical. Could some of the jury have been threatened? Or bribed? Cops can be scary people. Imagine getting a call or personal visit by someone threatening to take out your and your family if you didn’t find Read guilty.
There's a segment of the population that will go out of their way to defend and excuse cops no matter how abhorrent their actions are. They genuinely believe the police are infallible heros who should be praised and deified and all of that. Get one of them on the jury, and it's over.
Watching all parts of this trial again, it really stuns me the jurors got deadlocked on the question of reasonable doubt. And while I get that John’s family is still hurting, the interview his brother Paul has given shows an equally misdirected hate for Karen read. It’s as if they were ’groomed’ to deny all evidence and it’s really hard to understand their POV.
Paul can continue giving those interviews but it isn’t going to change anything. The evidence shows Karen is innocent! And Paul we are fighting for justice for Officer John OKeefe…
Even if he believes that Karen is guilty , then he should be angry with Proctor and co for not doing a correct investigation, ie Entering Alberts house, interviews of Albert/Mcabes to 'rule them out ' by Police who were not connected to them, tail light photos etc etc. Because this is what lost them the case, as well as Proctors foul texts. But no, backing them all the way. His anger is not focused.
The defense should be able to disclose that the prosecution was not forthcoming with that video of the car coming in to the sallyport with the tail light cracked, not broken.
I heard that the jurors were not guilty on second degree murder but it was the lessors charges that were the issue. Perhaps the defense can get it written up better to avoid confusion. Lots of confusion even from the judge
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Rewatching this trial is sven more infuriating the 2nd time through. I was so convinced it was going to be a Not Guilty verdict within 2-3 hrs. It is beyond my imagination that any reasonable juror would not find reasonable doubt each n every day of this trial. 🤯
That’s why Unions get a bad wrap - Proctor should be able to be fired immediately due to his actions and any who supports the extension of his employment for due process is part of the problem in this country.
No one knows for certain but most speculate it’s for public corruption. One popular theory is the feds were already investigating the DAs office and MSP when they found out about what was going on with Karen’s case.
@@kerrilee9651the death of an officer by an officer. The feds knew he was never hit by a car. Idk what made them start investigating but Iam thinking just one look at the body made them go "hmmm". The feds know the truth. Ppl have come forward with the truth. Those people are just too scared to go on the record.
Dr. said he would have become unconcious very soon after receiving the head trauma. But yet there was blood all over the snow, vomit and blood on the front of his pants, indicating he was upright at some point before the head trauma. I hope to see what FBI makes of all this.
Do these Juror's not even see Karen is the only one that didnt delete anything on her phone..why all the deletions or getting rid of phones altogether by the others?
Karen Read did NOT put the Lexus in reverse and gun it up to 24.2 mph after she dropped off John. That was a lie. The Key Cycles proved that Karen didn’t even have the Lexus when that triggering event was recorded. When I first heard about that triggering event in the data, I was scratching my head, wondering why she would do that and if maybe that was an indication that she hit John. But when I realized that the Key Cycles don’t add up and that the car had already been seized by then, I knew it was either Proctor or Bukhenik or someone else who caused that triggering event. I thought Jackson would touch on that more after he pointed it out to Trooper Paul but I think it was too confusing for people to understand so he left it alone which is a bummer because it absolutely proves that Karen was framed.
The "expert" that Lally had on the stand testified, after a lot of bs, that he really had no clue how key cycles worked and wasn't informed of the car being driven onto tow truck or driven off tow truck into sallyport.
I am not interested in Alex Baldwin, I am anxious to know more about Sarah Boone, Kouri Richins. Brook Houck / Chrystal Rogers I have not heard of that case will read up on it and look forward to your upcoming videos. Love your channel!!
AJ missed the ball on proctor. He missed the one thing that could make the point that he was biased so much more clear. He missed the moment where proctor gave an explanation for his bias with evidence that he didn't even see yet. He was confident that he initial bias and preconceived notions were affirmed by the evidence. It was a clear moment where AJ could make a homerun. And he blew it. Kind of a shame in my eyes
Everyone left by that time! Ask why freaked out karen read called john the min. She gets to his house 53x & never drove back to see where is john? Concentrate on her actions, demeanor & behavior that entire night . She never went to sleep. She was using vile language & cursing him out . Then, she was allegedly so ' worried' yet never called 911 or drive 6 minutes back to where she 'dropped' him off. Actually her phone data traces her going back to waterfall & crime scene before heading to jen mccabe. Very odd 😮
The one thing that was not random is that the judge decided who the foreperson was and then he is not part of the decision of who is on the jury...he IS on the jury!
@Lawyer Lee. What tanked the KR case was the fact that there is literally no (untainted) evidence. Indeed, there is literally no evidence. Evidence was also admitted where there was no chain of custody. When many individuals display a lack of integrity, one has to acknowledge this fact. Blind faith in "the process" is a mistake. I can understand why lawyers want to believe in the integrity of the process. However, in this case the process was demonstrably "corrupt" and although a strong term, this is indeed the case. I feel extremely angry Karen Read - a very intelligent, passionate woman with many pressing health problems - has been cruelly punished by this process. Added, in the edit, this is not an "attack" on you - your positive outlook and faith in the integrity of others is extremely admirable. Unfortunately, I have lost faith in many/most people.
Hi Lee love the Troupet Trrouble. This is compliments of Collier Landry "If Chñoe Bit You mist acquit" "The one Charge I find Karen guilty of is telling Higgins He was Hot" Last but not least Trooper Proctor has been rehomed.😂😂❤❤
Thank you Lee, you're voice of reason. Chloe attacked him probably while no memory bloody knuckles Colin and Highs were hitting Joseph. Karen's innocent. His family is still grieving😟
Well, simply put the city police were there first and they did an investigation and they didn’t find anything. They even used blowing the snow away to clear the area but strangely enough this proctor came on an hour before the other team came in things started appearing, and Daley appeared for Daley. Are they all that they can’t do their job correctly the first time that you have to keep coming back and finding stuff every day afterwards. Just asking you know I use common sense.
Mr. Proctor is not only a shame of a man he is a shame to his profession. The thing I really find difficult right now is Paul O’ Keefe doing interviews ripping apart Karen Read, her relationship with his brother and convinced Karen murdered John O’Keefe. He has absolutely nothing to base it on . No one ,absolutely no one saw Karen hit John O’Keefe with her car. The evidence in the trial was overly convincing that she did not commit the murder. The evidence is overly convincing to me that there was a cover up. I believe the people at the Albert house that evening absolutely know who committed the murder. I believe Paul O’Keefe may know who committed the murder or at the very least wants to put Karen Read as the murderer without wanting to find the real truth. As far as Proctor ,he is nothing but scum, the lowest of the lows.
Access to the ring video was not accessible from the home computer. The only access to the ring video was from JO's phone and Proctor had it in his possession. KR did not have access to JO's phone. The children testified to this and that KR did not have access.
Disgusting and sorry excuse for a trooper, Proctor should never serve in law enforcement again.
Also he should NOT receive any PENSION!!!
I read about several police officers who were fired. They were all reinstated with back pay by a hearing officer.
Yeah agreed,again no remorse at all;)They should also look into his other cases,wonder if they'll change venue n:Judge😮
Also hope Karen will sue him,after all this(wht a cop-out)
To think that he's a trooper,wht a shame(he should've been fired)a long time ago;)This man's incorrigible,no shame???
Proctor had personal possession of John's clothes for 6 weeks.
I find anything found on the clothes needs to be doubted. The fine, embedded plastic isn’t persuasive. If they wanted to discover the truth, they should have preserved and recorded evidence carefully. They should have collected the evidence with care and documented the grid!
@@catherinelynnfraser2001E X A C T L Y. In spite of a blizzard, the forensic show must still go on. What a shame they dropped the ball.
@@catherinelynnfraser2001 YES definitely.
6 days i believe. but still that is plenty of time to tamper and rub in crushed fragments of taillight into the top
The accident recreation experts used physics to prove John was NOT hit by a vehicle.
Exactly 💯
I’m not sure they proved it. I’d like to see the actual footage of their tests and they said inconsistent not absolutely could not be a vehicular hit
To some people there is a curtain drawn between how they see a situation and a scientific explanation...
Hi Lee, we can understand your analysis of Proctor’s behaviour on the witness stand, but why couldn’t the jury? Were they sleeping through it all?
@@kelliethomson922Technically they didn't prove it, but it was their opinion it wasn't a vehicle strike. That was also the opinion of the commonwealth's ME and the defense's medical expert. Dr Russell, the dog lady with extensive ER experience and insane qualifications also didn't believe his injuries were caused by a vehicle strike and her opinion was his arm injuries were from an animal attack.
That's the way expert witnesses work. It's almost impossible to prove something didn't happen, but I'm far more inclined to listen to expert opinions than Trooper Proctor who texts like the crudest teenage boy and Trooper Paul who doesn't know what "momentum" is or even what "confirmation bias" is.
That and simple logic. He was hit in the arm by an suv and had no bruising.
He tanked the trial by doing a p*ss poor investigation. Proctor & his boss should not be in the positions they are in.
But the Canton pd also did some slimy, questionable investigating. *Red solo cups
@@melsafken764 Yup!
It’s not just that the investigation was poor, though, as if he’s metely incompetent.
He conducted a purposely fraudulent investigation. A criminally bad investigation - both literally and figuratively.
We should be talking about when he’ll go to prison, not about when they might finally fire him.
The terrible cops and investigation is why she’s not in jail for this
Karen sideswiped John, her side mirror clipped the back of his head going 9mph Chkoe started barking, they let her out back, she escaped, they found John, they called Berkowitz and Pictor instead of 911 because Higgins was OUI, had damage to his plow and was going to lose his job if they made him submit his BAC. They all knew by 1am
Men's misogyny, like Proctor's behavior, has always made me very angry. I felt that I could do whatever men did, so in 1978, I became one of the first women to drive semi-trucks in LA. I did it for 10 years. Later, after becoming a single mom, I went to a university and earned a degree in criminal justice. I raised a good son who treats women with respect. Thank you, Lawyer Lee. 🌻
Me too! The girls/now women think equity goes without saying & are intelligent, talented, fierce & kind. The boys/now men think equity goes without saying, & are intelligent, talented, strong & kind. i am so proud of all of them!
Respect 💯
Oh geeze, don't call Proctor a man. He behaves like a particularly vulgar teen boy at best.
Amen to that!
I view it the same way.
I think that in broad terms, men tend to be „better“ at certain things per average - because of particular male strengths and gifts.
But simultaneously, women also tend to be better at certain things due to FEMALE strengths and gifts.
So my idea of a better society is that both men and women acknowledge to these factors and honor them.
To me as a man, there are wonderful qualities in women I treasure, and that hopefully, I have learned from in my life.
Also, I have seen a number of women who made an effort to learn from men.
Part of the problems surrounding sexism in life are due to men and women living in an entrenched mindset. Then, mutual learning and true respect become impossible. Prejudices increase. And injustice becomes inevitable.
Well we can to a certain degree. However, there’s many things we can’t do as women, just as there’s many things men can’t do that only women can do.
Both kids testified that Karen didn’t have access to the ring video, and neither did they. It was only accessible through John’s phone, which was in Proctors custody.
Likely on his computer too.
Exactly
@@babs3652just his phone I belive
Proctor will be the scapegoat for the entire corrupt department. 🎉🎉🎉
I agree 100%.
But it is obvious there is a deeply entrenched culture of unethical behavior within MSP.
I think the word "scapegoat" is misleading. It leads you to think he was somewhat innocent & everyone BLAMED him.
Proctor was the leader of This Band. Imo
I think Morrissey promised him a promotion. Somebody higher up is also protecting the Alberts.
@@lilithstribeabsolutely! This is not an isolated incident.
@@s.z.6200 promotion at a different department 🧐
Absolutely disgusting that he's getting paid still!
It's only like $184,000 a year plus benefits, so maybe $250k total. You make it sound like that's a lot of money.
I realize the O’Keefe family is in pain. But I lost some sympathy for them when they laughed at Proctor’s remarks about KR. Not cool. No one comes out of this looking good. (Except Alan Jackson.)
Agree.
100/100 agree
Everyone got exposed!
When did they laugh?
Paul and Mom get Officer John's Pension$ and Death Benefits$ from Boston Police Dept and MSP Dept......they LOVE the BPD and MSP...$$.......
He invented the commonwealth's case
Caught ya on the replay crew, Lee! Why wasn’t this case thrown out after the investigating officer had such bias? If even one officer is shown to be so corrupt, then the odds are that there are more!
Always looking forward to the education and impartiality you freely and gladly gift us! You are a rare gem, Lee! We are blessed! Thank You 🥰
Trooper Proctor stated…his whole team.
No, lawyer lee, you are wrong about Karen read having access to the ring video! There was no ring access on the home computer per the cops. Just access from John’s phone which was in police custody! So whoever deleted the video was a cop!
💯
Spot on!
Very good that Proctor's behavior is on national display
Trooper Proctor’s text are absolutely disgusting, yet his INVESTIGATION should be criminal.
@@kabbystevens5167 EXACTLY
There was no investigation. Proctor did conduct an "investigation".
They couldn’t convict OJ due to bad police work. But this trial made OJ’s look ultra professional. That’s why I don’t understand why this ended in a mistrial. No matter what, this level of unprofessional investigation should have kept it out of court to start with. But it’s disappointing that any jury wouldn’t have said not guilty in 5 minutes. And I don’t even know 100% that she is not guilty. We absolutely can’t allow people to be railroaded by the police. “Better 10 guilty go free than 1 innocent go to jail “
I agree with you totally, and it boggles my mind that it even went to court, much less the jury results, exactly as you said. This town must be a sort of Stepford Wives or Children of the Corn kind of place, only everyone is alcoholic or co-dependent and living in huge denial, and severely skewed mental programming that normalizes behavior the rest of the "normal" world finds shocking. I hope this whole sordid business causes an awakening in that place.
OJ totally committed the crime he was accused of. Karen did not. Ive also thought about the comparison.
@@anonymoususer4866 I too believe that OJ was guilty, there was practically bloody foot prints from her house to his. I also think that KR is probably not guilty. But I know that the police work was so false that even if she did it we will never see any real proof. And that’s one of the main reasons the investigation has to meet a very high standard. At this point I will never be convinced 100% that she is guilty. Not to mention after years of driving in snowy conditions, how does one suddenly throw one’s car in reverse and make it to 24 mph in the middle of a snowstorm and manage to drive in a straight line in such a short distance?
@@MomaCat59there is actually a UA-cam reenactment by two guys that measured everything off. I believe the top speed he could get to in the recorded distance was 14 mph and he couldn't do it in a straight line. It was later suggested that it happened after the car was taken and spinning in snow, Ie., in reverse but not really moving.
I agree OJ most likely did it, but I would not have voted beyond a reasonable doubt. It looked like the cops actually did plant evidence, perhaps "framing a guilty man", but sorry if I think the cops are cooking the evidence, it's all out the window.
Here, I strongly believe Karen is innocent, or at minimum am certain it didn't happen the way Lally claimed... for various reasons, but Lally's own evidence had her away from 34 Fairview at the alleged time it occurred.
Add in the rather obvious fact that he was unbruised from being hit by a vehicle and his own ME saying that, in addition to defense's experts saying that .
Sheesh what an absurd case.
@Lee, 2 of the people who were in the text group with Proctor, WERE his supervisors.
Poor Karen Read, to sit through the reading of the texts and testimony. I couldn't have handled it with the stoic grace that she did. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she went home and cried her eyes out. I know her lawyers are helping her get through it, but I wish I could express my support to her. I hope she is not embarrassed, but knows that it is them who should be embarrassed.
The irony is, re the disgrace of Karen's medical-confidentiality breach, that she would have seen a Proctologist for that condition. I'm not making this up. Poor Karen, an awful condition to live with and I can only hope that the anger she would feel towards that fool would outweigh her embarrassment.
I think she might have some grounds for a civil suit. Time will tell 🤷🏻♀️
She didn’t seem embarrassed… 🤔 She strikes me as someone who’s not embarrassed easily. IOW she’s very confident.
@@paulabuck5976 Sometimes people decide to mask embarrassment with strength... She has no choice... I admire her!
She would have seen a GI, surgeons.
What idiot jury member still voted guilty?
One that lied during voir dire.
Amen! I was thinking the same thing!
the cop
One or two doing a favor to guess who? Should be investigated thoroughly..
Apparently 10 voted guilty.maybe the 2 not guilty verdicts were the idiots?
The federal gov"t has been investigating the commonwealth, so there may well be bigger things in store.
I would sue the shit out Proctor he disgusting the things he says. Wtf is wrong with you what an embarrassment to state trooper detective unit. Actual the whole police force how they try pin a murder on her.
Legal Bytes has talked about what civil case Read might have against Proctor. A lot of it is vile but not actionable, like using the "c word".
However, she pointed out that he revealed private medical information to others and that's illegal under commonwealth law.
As for the police force... they said in their press release that because of his behavior as revealed in trial that they were starting an investigation. Well, wait... they already had the "c word" texts and all that.
So basically they were hoping that stuff didn't come out in trial...
I think the tail light shards were added to the clothing IN the Canton Police Station.
Agreed 💯!
Agree 💯 and what I think this is there is zero blood on lights on lawn, zero blood on car tail light and zero fragments in John’s arm. Makes no sense, other than mishandled evidence as we have seen, or planted.
Agree!!
Agreed 💯
Yes, just just have to rub the clothing over the smaller shards
I can tell you that I thought types like Proctor and his cronies were mostly a thing of the past. I was so wrong. I had also assumed that neither side doctored evidence. Why is doctored evidence even allowed?!? How is it even possible for ANYONE to decide the truth if the cold, hard evidence is just someone's art project?
Ever watch the Afleck/Damon movies about CORRUPT Boston cops… academy awards to BOOT
Proctors of the world abound. They are alive & well, and they have procreated. Very sorry to inform you. 😢
Demons all around…😵💫
Thank god KR could afford/get a competent lawyer ! Can you imagine if this same case against another woman was not a high profile case like this? The jurors could send an innocent woman to prison !
Any other person would've had no choice but to plead out.. so she would be in prison already and that's what they were hoping for. They never expected her to fight.
Clearly, Trooper Procter's testimony didn't bother the jury too much, nor did it cause them to question the quality of the investigation.
So why do you think level headed unbiased people would think Karen is guilty, if his body wasnt hit by her car?
@@melsafken764 I really don't know. But I do think the jury would have found her not guilty if they found the investigation suspect. They would have decided that the prosecution didn't prove their case
@@melsafken764 To me the critical evidence was the taillight plastic 'discovered' at the scene.
You would have to believe it's possible that Proctor planted that evidence, or JOK threw his glass at the taillight to make sense of that evidence.
Given the 'admission' it's believable to many people that she hit him accidentally.
Personally the totality of the evidence doesn't make sense to me and I cannot reconcile it into that neat conclusion.
It's possible the evidence was planted. It's also possible she hit him accidentally or on purpose. I don't think the prosecution proved either beyond a reasonable doubt. That's why the jury, imo, should have aquitted her.
@@melsafken764it's pretty obvious that they were not level headed and unbiased. Any single person who is truly unbiased would want an aquital. There is no other level headed outcome to this trial. Yet here we are bc clearly some were not...
This is my theroy I think officer John's wounds on his arm were defensive wounds and the fight broke out in the house and the dog jumped in.
So glad you're covering this part of the case. Honestly this case still weighs on my mind more than I care to admit. I can only imagine how these families are coping with this lingering case and overall saga.
I think shes innocent, I’m in Australia. Trooper Proctor should be out of a job.
A lot of corruption in the police department.😮
I read about another Canton case today that outlined more corrupt and poor police practices. The police chief has some major work to do. Cleanup time
John O”Keenfe complained to her about drug dealing in the neighborhood by Collin Albert, she brought that information to his father who is a selectman, she’s no good at all. Brian Albert probably beat John for complaining about the drug dealing. Both Collin and Brian Albert take steroids and Colin is said to sell them too.
Maybe the police chief should be cleaned up in the first place...
???? Isn't there any accountability to the taxpayers that have to pay the bill for the re-trial??
Exactly, police department needs sanitizing. Big overtime scandal too. All these guys sound like boozy corrupt cops sadly. How many women has Proctor abused with "c you next Tuesday??
This is why voting is so important. Many of the positions that are responsible for deciding factors like this are elected officials.
I can’t believe this case ever made it to trial in the first place. And what blows my mind the most about Proctor is that he shows almost no shame on the stand… even at this point in the clip I think he thinks he’ll ultimately be untouchable. His texts were so much more than inappropriate, they were hateful, and he should be dismissed on that alone. Are Proctor’s superiors also being investigated? O, yeah, and of course, the MISOGYNY is so blatant.
I wish people would stop quoting the “60 feet 24mph” stuff. It was proven on cross that Paul uses the wrong key cycle.
Did he stand still and get hit? Was he avoiding the moving vehicle? Where was he standing when he was hit? She's not guilty.
Thanks for mentioning that; I missed that day.
Azget Industries has some great animations on her channel and a video on the key cycle error in trooper Paul's testimony.
Absolutely. Tr Paul may be too stupid to understand why his key cycle calculations were wrong but I guarantee Lally isn’t.
That was as bad as reversing the Sallyport video, imo.
I wasn't there, I don't know - Trooper Pauls brilliance 🙄
If he keeps his job and doesn't end up on the Brady list, rending him to desk duty its a travesty.
Doing paperwork, gives me pause as well.
This really gets to me. I do not understand how a “brother in blue” could literally get the most janky investigation I have ever seen…. At least one that someone is being charged with murder. Where is the integrity, where is the search for truth, I just can’t get on this boat, too many holes
@@krystalbrooks3418 probably because The Albert Family in Canton are Blue Thugs
Thank god for the juror or jurors who saw through this botched investigation and perhaps cop cover up! I respect good cops not bad cops 👮
"Objection, your honor"..for WHAT?
proctor is/has ‘handled’ several other cases NOW being investigated…. WTH
In a male dominated quasi military environment the temptation to be sexist and biased is incredibly strong especially if superiors allow it to go unchecked...
@@conradsieber7883 So true. 😔
It would be understandable if she were to sue for court costs, don't you think?
Omg! If they try this case again the Defence will have to Put up with this Bias Judge again interrupting every 2 minutes🤦🤦
Lolly objected over and over and I certainly didn’t see much reason for the sustaining. Apparently the judge and DA had some kind of secret language
She was actually pretty fair in the end I think. I started off thinking she was very anti-defence but changed my mind
Many of the sustained objections were “as to form” indicated by the judge remarking, “ask another way.” So that didn’t necessarily indicate favoritism. However, exclusion of the dog bite expert was at best a questionable ruling. However IF THERE IS A RETRIAL, the defense will have an opportunity to call the expert with proper notice, perhaps produce a forensic report and overcome the judge’s concerns for exclusion.
Trooper Proctor kinda sounds like chooper Cabra in that Boston accent
Bunch of Dirty cops. Dirty DA. Dirty cop families. Dirty County.
You forgot the judge!
The sad part of all this is that they're still going to try her again. This case should've been thrown out a long time ago. Absolute WASTE of time and money.
How can pieces of the tail light be spread out all over the place if as according to the prosecution witness he was in the air 30 feet?
Oddly enough an alternate Juror who didn’t end up deliberating stated that she still would’ve voted not-guilty had Trooper proctors testimony been completely omitted from the case! I found that fascinating. I found his testimony to be extremely damaging to the case for the same reasons you stated. It made you think what else is this man hiding and how can I trust any of the evidence brought forth by him? She said the commonwealth did not prove their case. It makes you wonder if any of the other jurors felt that way. I felt his testimony completely destroyed the case alongside a lack of solid evidence.
And still most of the jurors found her guilty!!??? How could they?
Lee, if the state wants him gone he is gone. There is a recent law that all cops in the state have to have what is in effect a law enforcement license. The license automatically gets yanked for felony charges. Charges, not conviction. All the state has to do is charge him with perjury or evidence tampering and he is on unpaid leave pending the hearing. So if he is still collecting a paycheck it is because the state wants him to.
I wonder how many are actually charged? 😢
@@melsafken764 In the 2 years since the law was finalized there are about 20-30 cops in the entire state who have been suspended or had their certification revoked. Proctor has not made that list yet.
Watch Trooper Proctor will “ retire” prior to any investigation. He will receive his full pension. If there is any doubt the trooper will be convicted, they retire. Any Mass.State Employee that gets convicted of a criminal crime loses their pension.
How depressing
@@theodorawohler2213Yes, exactly. 😢
I watched the whole trial and many of your analyses and others. I really don’t get how the jury couldn’t see that the lead investigator is corrupt and incompetent. It is utterly illogical. Could some of the jury have been threatened? Or bribed? Cops can be scary people. Imagine getting a call or personal visit by someone threatening to take out your and your family if you didn’t find Read guilty.
There's a segment of the population that will go out of their way to defend and excuse cops no matter how abhorrent their actions are. They genuinely believe the police are infallible heros who should be praised and deified and all of that. Get one of them on the jury, and it's over.
I wonder about this too!
Totally agree!
Scared of consequences and some may be bribed. Why not? The mentality in this place is beyond low
lol. This is laughable.
Watching all parts of this trial again, it really stuns me the jurors got deadlocked on the question of reasonable doubt. And while I get that John’s family is still hurting, the interview his brother Paul has given shows an equally misdirected hate for Karen read. It’s as if they were ’groomed’ to deny all evidence and it’s really hard to understand their POV.
Paul can continue giving those interviews but it isn’t going to change anything. The evidence shows Karen is innocent! And Paul we are fighting for justice for Officer John OKeefe…
Even if he believes that Karen is guilty , then he should be angry with Proctor and co for not doing a correct investigation, ie Entering Alberts house, interviews of Albert/Mcabes to 'rule them out ' by Police who were not connected to them, tail light photos etc etc. Because this is what lost them the case, as well as Proctors foul texts. But no, backing them all the way.
His anger is not focused.
It’s because his testimony was bias from the start! Am I wrong in this? I came into the case with not knowing any.
The defense should be able to disclose that the prosecution was not forthcoming with that video of the car coming in to the sallyport with the tail light cracked, not broken.
Yes vote for covering Alec Baldwin trial.
Great work Lawyer Lee!
I heard that the jurors were not guilty on second degree murder but it was the lessors charges that were the issue. Perhaps the defense can get it written up better to avoid confusion. Lots of confusion even from the judge
The verdict form should have had a NG option under each. They didn't on purpose.
Hello could you please investigate this news
BOSTON - Gary Cederquist, the Massachusetts State Police Sergeant at the center of an alleged Commercial Driver's License application bribery scheme, retired Thursday with a dishonorable discharge.
Cederquist, 58, of Stoughton, was one of six people charged Tuesday by the U.S. Attorney's Office with giving several drivers the licenses in exchange for gifts or services. Four of the six charged were current or retired State Troopers
HUGE Hipa violation
As a teacher I have to take a vow of confidentiality, don’t LE’s have to do that??!!
Jury was compromised not to see the reasonable doubt.
Some just like the taste of leather and will believe anything the boys in blue will say no matter what.
Rewatching this trial is sven more infuriating the 2nd time through. I was so convinced it was going to be a Not Guilty verdict within 2-3 hrs. It is beyond my imagination that any reasonable juror would not find reasonable doubt each n every day of this trial. 🤯
All of Massachusetts police are like this. I lived there for 16 years. His bosses said nothing because they are the same way. 1312.
How could that trouper pass the psychological interview for being a trouper?
That’s why Unions get a bad wrap - Proctor should be able to be fired immediately due to his actions and any who supports the extension of his employment for due process is part of the problem in this country.
What caused the Feds to investigate these particular law enforcement officers?
Corruption!!!
No one knows for certain but most speculate it’s for public corruption. One popular theory is the feds were already investigating the DAs office and MSP when they found out about what was going on with Karen’s case.
@@ianmcnally8501 How/why did they suspect corruption?
@@kerrilee9651the death of an officer by an officer. The feds knew he was never hit by a car.
Idk what made them start investigating but Iam thinking just one look at the body made them go "hmmm". The feds know the truth. Ppl have come forward with the truth. Those people are just too scared to go on the record.
Proctor is the epitome of vile…he is unprofessional and cannot be trusted….im sure is wife is very proud of him🙄🙄🙄
She actually is. There is video of her saying just that
He knew what happened in that house that's why he pinned it on Karen so "the cop in the house " doesn't get in trouble
Canton resident Proctor tanked the trial and you know the fact someone who was in the house actually killed John plus they covered it up
Dr. said he would have become unconcious very soon after receiving the head trauma. But yet there was blood all over the snow, vomit and blood on the front of his pants, indicating he was upright at some point before the head trauma. I hope to see what FBI makes of all this.
Proctor did a hate crime on Karen Read.
This lawyer is so above board and has integrity.
Please look into the Sandra Birchmore case in Stoughton MA!!! Canton police have some involvement in this case
He also was doing the welsh case investigation 😢
Karen did not have access to John’s computer or his Ring account
Do these Juror's not even see Karen is the only one that didnt delete anything on her phone..why all the deletions or getting rid of phones altogether by the others?
@@shaylynned8786she had her location data off!
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Excellent discussion.
Karen Read did NOT put the Lexus in reverse and gun it up to 24.2 mph after she dropped off John. That was a lie. The Key Cycles proved that Karen didn’t even have the Lexus when that triggering event was recorded. When I first heard about that triggering event in the data, I was scratching my head, wondering why she would do that and if maybe that was an indication that she hit John. But when I realized that the Key Cycles don’t add up and that the car had already been seized by then, I knew it was either Proctor or Bukhenik or someone else who caused that triggering event. I thought Jackson would touch on that more after he pointed it out to Trooper Paul but I think it was too confusing for people to understand so he left it alone which is a bummer because it absolutely proves that Karen was framed.
ua-cam.com/video/u9USPS3aHe4/v-deo.html
an explanation on why trooper paul was wrong , its with 3d video even
The "expert" that Lally had on the stand testified, after a lot of bs, that he really had no clue how key cycles worked and wasn't informed of the car being driven onto tow truck or driven off tow truck into sallyport.
was the jury over 80 with hearing trouble
Where did Proctor get KR’s personal medical information from 16 hours into the investigation?
"Nope....homeowner is a Boston Cop."
Thank you for the great coverage!
It’s awful that PO has compassion for him. The whole case is crazy. It’s a mockery.
I am not interested in Alex Baldwin, I am anxious to know more about Sarah Boone, Kouri Richins. Brook Houck / Chrystal Rogers I have not heard of that case will read up on it and look forward to your upcoming videos. Love your channel!!
Right with you there
AJ missed the ball on proctor. He missed the one thing that could make the point that he was biased so much more clear. He missed the moment where proctor gave an explanation for his bias with evidence that he didn't even see yet.
He was confident that he initial bias and preconceived notions were affirmed by the evidence.
It was a clear moment where AJ could make a homerun. And he blew it. Kind of a shame in my eyes
Great show!!! Lee…you are the only one who showed up for the community who follows this tonight! Looking forward to what’s next.
Why did brian albert invite folks over to his house to party and then go to bed so early?
Everyone left by that time! Ask why freaked out karen read called john the min. She gets to his house 53x & never drove back to see where is john? Concentrate on her actions, demeanor & behavior that entire night . She never went to sleep. She was using vile language & cursing him out . Then, she was allegedly so ' worried' yet never called 911 or drive 6 minutes back to where she 'dropped' him off. Actually her phone data traces her going back to waterfall & crime scene before heading to jen mccabe. Very odd 😮
The one thing that was not random is that the judge decided who the foreperson was and then he is not part of the decision of who is on the jury...he IS on the jury!
He was attacked by the dog inside the house. Common sense
@Lawyer Lee. What tanked the KR case was the fact that there is literally no (untainted) evidence. Indeed, there is literally no evidence. Evidence was also admitted where there was no chain of custody. When many individuals display a lack of integrity, one has to acknowledge this fact. Blind faith in "the process" is a mistake. I can understand why lawyers want to believe in the integrity of the process. However, in this case the process was demonstrably "corrupt" and although a strong term, this is indeed the case. I feel extremely angry Karen Read - a very intelligent, passionate woman with many pressing health problems - has been cruelly punished by this process. Added, in the edit, this is not an "attack" on you - your positive outlook and faith in the integrity of others is extremely admirable. Unfortunately, I have lost faith in many/most people.
Would like to see Alec Baldwin trial Lee. Tks
YES!
Hoping she covers it in depth.
10:22 I can't believe his wife defended him. Girl, you deserve better than this!
She has defended him from the beginning, insulting many along the way. She doesn't deserve better bc she's just as awful as him.
This is one your best!!! Thank you
I don’t understand how none of these Albert’s came outside when they found John.
Hi Lee love the Troupet Trrouble. This is compliments of Collier Landry "If Chñoe Bit You mist acquit" "The one Charge I find Karen guilty of is telling Higgins He was Hot" Last but not least Trooper Proctor has been rehomed.😂😂❤❤
Makes it sound like Proctor was watching the trial coverage with his answers about the ME
????!?!?? Will you please cover Shanna Gardner and Jared Bridegan from Florida, Stampin up?
Alec Baldwin, please, please go over his case.
Thank you Lee, you're voice of reason. Chloe attacked him probably while no memory bloody knuckles Colin and Highs were hitting Joseph. Karen's innocent. His family is still grieving😟
Well, simply put the city police were there first and they did an investigation and they didn’t find anything. They even used blowing the snow away to clear the area but strangely enough this proctor came on an hour before the other team came in things started appearing, and Daley appeared for Daley. Are they all that they can’t do their job correctly the first time that you have to keep coming back and finding stuff every day afterwards. Just asking you know I use common sense.
Mr. Proctor is not only a shame of a man he is a shame to his profession. The thing I really find difficult right now is Paul O’ Keefe doing interviews ripping apart Karen Read, her relationship with his brother and convinced Karen murdered John O’Keefe. He has absolutely nothing to base it on . No one ,absolutely no one saw Karen hit John O’Keefe with her car. The evidence in the trial was overly convincing that she did not commit the murder. The evidence is overly convincing to me that there was a cover up. I believe the people at the Albert house that evening absolutely know who committed the murder. I believe Paul O’Keefe may know who committed the murder or at the very least wants to put Karen Read as the murderer without wanting to find the real truth. As far as Proctor ,he is nothing but scum, the lowest of the lows.
Yeah you can't have the attitude and the horrible things Proctor said then claim you are not biased.
There is going to be a HUGE lawsuit
Access to the ring video was not accessible from the home computer. The only access to the ring video was from JO's phone and Proctor had it in his possession. KR did not have access to JO's phone. The children testified to this and that KR did not have access.
The rot is way deeper than only him.....