Why The Youth Want Tradition
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- Опубліковано 7 січ 2021
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Spanish translations by Vélez Translations, www.veleztranslations.com
Modern, secular, and progressive advocates have spent generations trying to hammer home the idea that the past is inferior to the present as well as what we can expect from the future and since tradition is backwards oriented, surely, it too is inferior.
And it’s something like that logic that seems to have dominated the Church for generations now especially in how we attempt to relate the faith to the youth. We take a superficial look at what interests kids and then we say, let’s include more of that in Church culture and this will help make the faith relevant for the kids.
And after doing this for 60 some odd years, the only trend we’ve seen is population decline which only seems to be compounded with each successive generation.
But, there seems to be a renewal going on in Traditional parishes. I attend a parish where only the extraordinary form of the mass, also known as the Traditional Latin Mass, is offered and when people find out about that, their immediate reaction is almost always a show of sympathy for my kids.
They assume that I’m dragging my kids to it and they’re always surprised when I tell them this story. Probably about a month after we started attending the Latin mass, I asked my kids, who were at the time 10 years old and younger, if they’d like to go back to our old parish where the ordinary form is offered or keep going to the Latin mass.
And I reluctantly asked them this, because I didn’t want to go back and I assumed that, at least, some of them would want to go back to our old parish. To my surprise, they unanimously and enthusiastically voted to keep going to the Latin mass. If I recall, they cheered as they exclaimed their preference with triumphant fists in air.
When I tell people that story, they usually react in strange ways - they seem to either think I’m lying or they just have a kind of bad disk moment where you can see something’s glitching in their brain before they retreat away to some other corner of the world where things make sense to them.
Modern life seems to be fairly cleanly divided between work and leisure or work and play might be a more familiar way of describing it. Work is what we have to do even though we don’t want to - it’s our obligations and commitments - a necessary evil. Leisure or play is what we do because we want to do it.
And for the most part, this dimension of life can be summarized by what amuses and entertains us and we have more access to what amuses us than ever before.
It seems that virtually everyone has their own curated library of music, their own algorithmically recommended list of video on demand, their own favourite restaurants, their own curated list of apps specific to their digital lifestyle, and so on.
And for everything that we haven’t discovered yet, we find that it’s already rated for us so that we can be sure that we don’t waste time with apps, games, music, or movies that won’t maximize our amusement.
And nobody is more dialed into the vanguard of popular culture than the youth. For one, the majority of promotional media is aimed directly at them because they have buying potential and are less likely to scrutinize what is being sold to them. They’re seen as an easy target.
And popular culture is an industrial business and in the interests of maximizing profits, they’ve drawn from the wisdom of industrial manufacturers who were able to ensure that consumers would buy their products even though they don’t need to through the concept of planned obsolescence.
This was a concept devised by General Motors where they would unnecessarily redesign their cars every year so that consumers would want the latest one even though the one they had was perfectly fine and should last several more years.
Trends in pop culture are designed to do the same thing. Just when we get caught up with the latest musical genre and fashion trends, they get pulled out from under us in order to compel us to return to the store to keep up with the latest arbitrarily defined trends.
This should be our first indication that popular culture isn’t real culture and why we shouldn’t be drawing inspiration from it when we develop our liturgical worship.
But concern for the youth is often present in rationales for shifting away from a faith that is reverent and traditional to one that is expressed in more entertaining terms.
Back in the 60’s, liturgical activists like the now disgraced Archbishop Weakland were sitting on musical advisory boards and councils promoting the idea that the youth should be targeted with “the choice of music which is meaningful to persons of this age level.”
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Not sure what happened at 4:52, but sorry for the goofy edit.
You always have the most professional videos so no worries Bryan! Thank you for all of your content and God bless your channel!
Haha lol I was a bit confused too. But Rachel Pops is right👍🏼
Traditionally of the first century not after Rome removed the truth of The Father and his name from the scriptures
It was the portrayal of the dark, fuzzy, hollow and empty modern pop culture. Intruiging, but meaningless and void.
Brian, is that actually a Les Paul Custom black beauty? or an Epiphone? Just curious if you play...
In the wise words of Hank Hill:
“You’re not making Christianity better, you’re making rock and roll worse!”
There are plenty of good Christian bands, I just don't think that style should replace the Liturgy
Theocracy would disagree with this notion.
@@James_Wisniewski
Is that a rock band?
@@Philosopher-pv4ul yes
So true...
The Latin Mass is awesome. It isn't exclusively youth who want Tradition. I see people of all ages who attend the Latin Mass. That is a sign of a healthy community.
The Latin mass isn’t protestant like the Novus ordo mass.
@SNES Nes V2
@@drjanitor3747 You OBVIOUSLY have no idea of what you are saying!!!
@@drjanitor3747 says the person literally putting himself above the magisterium of the church, the definition of being Protestant.
@Ben Höflinger bro what are you even doing here if you have opinions like this? Especially in this comment thread?
Why come to a comment section of Catholics to just say you disagree with us? If you want answers to your concerns, go read our 2000 year old theology.
One reason I went trad as a youth: They actually answered the questions my youth catechism teacher used to say "good question! God is so mysterious and wonderful. Here's a coloring page," to.
Props to you! At least you didn't give up when you actually had questions.
@BVale Wow, you were way ahead your time! Nowadays, it's kinda obvious that being a traditionalist is the way to rebell, but back then, it was still considered mainstream, I guess.
I lived thru the whole revolution in the Church from 1958 on and can see that Archbishop Vigano is right in calling the Vatican II church a "counter-church." One thing that's not mentioned enough, however, is the problematic nature of the new sacramental rites created by "saint" Paul VI, the most egregious example being the new episcopal consecration rite. novusordowatch.org/2018/06/unholy-orders-50-years-invalid-ordinations -- see for yourself how the necessary form is absent. This needs to be known, and we need to continue to connect the dots to see what really happened to the institutional Church, and how, and why. We also need to see the big smoking gun of the "disappearing" of Sr Lucia before 1960 and realize its very grave implications -- sisterlucytruth.org
"Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist. The Church will be in eclipse. The world will be in dismay." (Our Lady of La Salette, 1846)
I'd like this twice if I could
My rebirth as a Catholic started when I started to learn the history of my ancestors, what they were able to accomplish with god, and what I'm seeing today. God bless
Congratulations
@@mauriciob5757 it's been a blessing so far. Nice profile pic lol god bless
Viva Die, Viva Die, Viva le Roi ! (Iberian tradition too !)
You should watch Sam Shamoun video, he is one of the best. He is called walking talking christian encylopedia. The best we have right now.
As someone who has Mexican heritage many who share the same heritage demonize the Spanish saying they raped and murdered an entire civilization. I response with the fact that it was brutal but in that process they brought the word of Christ to a people who had never heard it before.
Random comment to help you out with the UA-cam algorithm.
I was born muslim but I like your channel Brian and your views are so interesting. Your videos introduced me to Catholicism and I find comfort and peace in it🙏😊
That's Awesome man! So are you considering converting?
@@LukeShalz am still not ready to make such a huge step knowing my family are pretty conservative and am still searching for the truth. But I cannot deny my tendencies to christian faith.
Praised be Jesus Christ!
@@mohamadabdallah1379 Your in my prayers , God be with you !
@@RickW-HGWT thank you brother, Godspeed 🙏😊
Even as a child, there was something that really bothered me about guitars at Church; the organ music at the Anglican church my dad goes to was more reverent.
I've attended a church where there was a saxophone... Trust me, it's as bad as it sounds.
Leave the guitars in the dance hall. Bring on the big organ (as long as it is well played!).
When done respectfully guitar can be great (usually only with some sort of string ensemble backing it) the problem is not the instrument of is how it is being used, take Silent Night for example that song was made to be played on guitar and that was how it was originally played. I’m not saying don’t use the organ because I still prefer a good organ over a guitar. But it isn’t always a good organ and sometimes it is a very good guitar
@@lyrxst10 Agreed. Its the style of music, not the instrument that is at fault. Even Drums can be appropriate in Church when done correctly. Just look at the Hallelujah chorus of Handel's Messiah, where it is used as an actual instrument, and not as a tool for beating the daylights out of the music's rythm.
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A guitar can be a good instrument but it just doesn’t have the “umpf” and support that a larger instrument like a grand piano or organ has. I think our congregations sing up to the level of support they get from the instrument. Silent Night is an “intimate” sort of song and one needs strong singers to sing with the little support that a guitar offers. IMHO. For the big songs and hymns, there’s not much finer than a great organ sound with all the highs and lows one instrument offers.
I went to my first TLM about 5 months ago. I have not been to Novus Ordo since. And despite not having a Missal for 3 months, where I had no idea what was being said or which part we were on, I STILL felt more spiritually connected to the prayer of Mass than I ever had before. The incense, the gregorian chants, the reverence and beauty of tradition. God told me this is where I needed to be. How right He was.
Wait till you get the missal and see the actual prayers
Sounds like you like a show. Why not check out Orthodox liturgy?
My cousin is a modernist priest and I've had some real problems with him, but even he's admitted that the younger priests are all returning to tradition. The new young priest in his community offers the Tridentine mass.
Please explain to your cousin his actions are why I attend SSPX and FSSP. And I do so indiscriminately, not viewing the debate on the SSPX's status.
I attend Latin Mass here in Brazil. It's popular among the youth and the LM churches are fuller than ordinary mass churches.
You should watch Sam Shamoun videos on you tube, he is one of the best. He is called walking talking christian encylopedia. The best we have right now.
@@foresttree5835 thanks, I'll check it out.
Tradition can be the new counter-culture. Our 26 year old devout Catholic daughter still lives with u and not with her boyfriend. She wants to get married from home "like grandma" ( my dear departed mum). She said to me recently:"Dad, I want to be a rebel and get married in a church!"
God bless you, Brian. Love and admire your service to the Church. Wish I had your hair!
How beautiful!!! 🙏♥️ Deó Gratias!!
As a non denominational Christian, this is so refreshing and real to hear. I used to be one of those people that wanted to go to the young, hip church but what I found out was that much of the truth was being suppressed, while the desire to be as hip as this world was being put on the frontlines. I’m now 27 and I’m so grateful that God has allowed me to see through the smoke (literally speaking when it comes to some worship “experiences” lol). Growth in Christ is my desire.
That is a just critique.
We musn't be too attached to the present culture and present circumstances; being too attached makes it hard to see the big, complex, beautiful, scary 2000 year picture that really is Christianity.
I live in Kraków in Poland. At the Latin Mass offered by FSSP there is always very many young people
@Anakin Skywalker It is all in God's Hands, but polish society is changing for worse. Polish society probably will become just the same as the western in 20 years. I think that in foregin televiosion our country is shown as very conservative and catholic but it is not any more. Young people very easily adapt western style of life and thinking. At some univeristies in Poland being a catholic somteimes causes small persecution :( . Moreover if you condemn LGBT and all that stuff you will meet with big anatgonism from majority of today's polish youth.
I feel like these talks are inspired by God
Ive found that some religious people to have a healthy capacity for imagination, and see things deeper. Where as most today have no imagination whatsoever:P
I would love to be a ‘trad youth’ who attends TLM alas there is none where I live. I pray that the TLM becomes increasingly common over the next few years.
I'm sure you've done a lot of searching but just in case it helps, check out latinmassdir
You can still be trad, there are so many resources starting with great channels such as this one. God bless you!!
“Any institution that insists on being relevant is irrelevant.” - Jose Campana.
I'm 17, and you hit it on the head Brian!
I appreciate your reflections. I am a 65 year old priest who lived through the transition after Vatican Council. I think the difference you experience is more about trancendence in the liturgy, generational and social differences than what you call tradition. Reform in the church is always a return to tradition, but ours in a long tradition. The Novus Ordo was an attempt to return to an earlier tradition in the Church. In fact, the second Eucharistic prayer is taken largely from the oldest recorded Eucharistic prayer the church has. The Novus Ordo can be celebrated prayerfully. True, It is often cheapened by kitchy music, vesture, and folksy attempts at presiding. But those are often because of ignored rubrics and ill-formed priests and ministers. The Tridentine or extraordinary form limits these errors and focuses participants on the trancendent nature of the liturgy. However, having grown up with the Latin Mass, I know that abuses still occurred, but were not as obvious. Priests raced through the Mass. People would flock to a quick low Mass on Sunday where a priest would get through the Sunday liturgy in 20 minutes including the homily, a quickie as it was known. It was not at all inspiring to me in my youth. Anyway, it seems to me what your hunger is for a prayerful and beautiful celebration of Mass with music that lifts one's mind to heaven. We all hunger for that whether we can name it or not. God bless your ministry.
That's very insightful and well said. Thanks for watching.
As a priest what do you think of the vehemence against the TLM ? , on many sites I have seen less then charitable expressions towards us , a particular disdain is for the SSPX and its fallowers , they during this crisis have shown courage and faith in fighting for our rights . These brood of vipers show the quality of their faith and charity toward their fellow Catholics, looking forward to your response Father.
@@RickW-HGWT In all things: charity. I've seen and heard of that which you speak. Of course, Its not helpful and is usually sinful. The motivations are as varied as the people. But I suspect that a lot of this comes from fear of possible outcomes. For example, Pastors generally don't want a divided flock. Even if they offer both forms of the liturgy, there is less mixing between groups. This is especially true if one or both groups appear over/against the other. For example, when the charismatic renewal was strong in the 70's. Similar sounding uncharitable expressions being thrown about. Often I think this was generated by some form of a "holier than thou" attitude. The case of SSPX is a different issue because there is a schismatic element present in the rejection of church authority (both papal and concliar) as I understand it.. That said, no one is excused from the law of charity toward others.
@@jgederschicago Thank you Father , well said and food for thought, God bless.
I left my parish church for one year to experience the LM for one year. My wife and I have six in ages from 2- 22. Last May was one year and I ain't going back and my oldest love it too.
ou should watch Sam Shamoun you tube video, he is one of the best. He is called walking talking christian encylopedia. The best we have right now.
I so wish the bishops would listen to this. We need them to understand and have compassion to hear the need of the Church's youth.
The bishops fear and resent the TLM , and traditional practices, Rosary, Chaplet, etc, it takes attention away from the sjw virtue signaling. Also to embrace this they would need supernatural faith, look at how they have handled this crisis.
I am 70 and so awed to attend my old Latin Mass. lots of young families but old people like me too. Don’t feel disconnected to worship or people. Can barely make it through Novus Ordo, though work demands that at times.God bless and bring us more Latin Masses.
“Fun at the expense of transformation” has ruined more than the Mass. See also: education.
As a 17 year old Catholic I laterally am going down the same exact same path that you are talking about. Love everything you're doing.
Tradition IS culture. What saddens me is that modern secular culture tends to reject many traditions, as you said, creating this culture-lacking trend-based society.
I am newly a college student and have in the past year begun to grow a strong passion for Christian culture, most especially cathedrals and traditional music. I have always been a Lutheran, but I seem to have undergone a transformation into the sort of conservatism that you espouse. I also consciously take comfort in the fact that there are those who appreciate the things I appreciate, whether it’s liberty or Spem in Alium or York Minster. To reject these things of tradition (especially ideas that we know to be true) that our historical forefathers have crafted through hundreds and thousands of years of culture and thought feels almost like a rejection of humanity itself
Well said, what has been going on at an accelerated rate in the past decades is the rejection of humanity.
Humanity that belongs to God, is loved by God and redeemed by the Son so that we find our way back to where we belong.
Humanity is lost, blind, naive and without graces we are easily led astray (easy prey for the satan) - but we were made in the image of God! The divine spark(breath) resonates with the Holy Spirit, with the presence and teachings of Jesus who did not reject humanity like useless dirt. We are able to see our sins and repent!! The satan and all rebellious dark entities, who are incapable to do that, however were condemned to eternal banishment from God. Can humanity embrace and uphold its real status or are we to reject it and capitulate to the dark forces? By doing the latter, humanity splits into two very different camps.
The fight goes on for souls - it has become so obvious in recent times!
Super comment. Can I suggest a book that will really bolster your thinking and is in line with Brian's homily to some extent. It's a wonderful history book called "Dominion" by Tom Holland that demonstrates how the Western mind is largely the product of Christianity. It is stylistically and organisationally impressive and very informative.
@@djackson652 thank you, I’ll add it to my list!
It's hard sometimes having to choose between two beautiful rites of the Mass...
That's why I attend both the Tridentine and Byzantine rites.
My philosophy professor, a catholic priest with a great sense of humour, would have commented on this video like this: "It's not by me, but still excellent!". Yes, Brian, brilliant once more!
I've never in my life attended a mass or even stood inside a catholic church but for years now I have felt a pulling, sort of, that this is the place for me. I'm a Christian and baptized in my tradition but my faith walk has begun to feel aimless. I find myself questioning more than following. I have come to feel that many churches are making up the program as they go along and blaming Holy Spirit when the people aren't fulfilled. In my current situation I am homesick for tradition and generational continuity. I long to stand in God's house and sing the worship and praise sung by all the saints before with fellow believers all on the same journey. Now we sing whatever is on KLove and when it's no longer popular we won't sing it again for a few years, if ever. Pray for me as I try to find my way. The shut downs have made it so much harder to find help and information on where to start. GBY
Your in my prayers, reach out to a traditional parish, many of them are open during this crisis . They would be more then happy to help, when you first go you may be confused or overwhelmed , don't worry just ask a friendly parishioner , again more then happy to help. God bless.
I am in the same boat, sister! My only worry is that I will miss the old hymns (the best part of evangelical services is the wonderful hymns that are growing even rarer and rarer, like Be Thou My Vision or In the Garden). I feel as though God is tugging me to an older church which is focused on Christian tradition instead of fearing it as most evangelicals do. I am not sure whether that will be Rome or the Byzantine Catholic Church for me but I am praying about it. I am also praying for the Lord to bless me with a Godly Catholic husband. He has really laid this on my heart.
@@elizabethh18536 A godly Catholic husband? It would make sense for God to put that on your heart since it was Catholic men who basically invented the code of chivalry and what it means to be a gentleman. I guess He just wants what's best for you, haha. If you're looking to settle down and create something lasting and meaningful, check out a Facebook group called Traditional Catholic Singles (it's the one with just over 1300 members). I've seen 4 engagements in that group in the past month alone.
God bless you. Find a Latin mass. I truly believe God is present in all masses , however you can feel him more in a Latin mass because it’s silent and not distracting. You’ll be in my prayers! All love💖
Stacy, I will happily pray for you!! Do you have a more traditional Catholic church near to you?
Just don't see the point in making my own version of these videos when Brian does such a great job at it. Think I'll stick to my dayjob and just be grateful for this guy's inspired content
Tradition has some of the clearest teaching I've seen. Truth that makes no concession to the spirit of the age and is very appealing to my generation, but many don't know where to find it, sadly. Please pray for their return to God.
Thank you. I have been telling my parish for years that "fun" is why the youth are dropping off. And actually the older members to. Now I can show them this.
Oops. I meant 'too'
@@elainekruger-haye3463 you can actually edit your comment if you make errors...😜
Brian, this is an excellent video. Part of what drew me out of evangelical Protestantism and to Catholicism was the beauty and reverence of the mass. Once I came to accept the core teachings of the Church as true, and I fully understood what the mass is, I could no longer stand going to my cookie-cutter "church" to be entertained. I realized that, as an evangelical, I was consuming church instead of letting the Church consume me. I attend an NO parish now and I absolutely love it, but I would also like to try a TLM one of these days. Thanks for all the excellent content, and keep up the great work!
So the top three Catholic personalities for me are as follows Fr Mike Schmitz Matt Fradd and Brian Holdsworth
I should have put Bishop Strickland in there as well.
I prefer Fr. Mark Goring to Matt Fradd and Fr. Mike
Bishop Richard Williamson
Tim Gordon, Taylor Marshall, Michael Knowles
@@aretrograde7745 - YES!!👍To all three! And I also watch church militant!! Brian Holdsworth is quickly becoming a favorite also, but I just recently discovered him. 🙏🏼✝️🙏🏼
Taylor Marshall, Michael Voris, Vigano
Probably tmi but I'm a young person with mental disabilities and I have no desire to try to fit in with secular culture largely because of being on disability and the kind of seclusion that brings. If I work to be part of a culture, I want to be part of a culture that is transcendent, that is higher than the one my disabilities won't let me be a part of. I don't want modern consumer culture, I prefer stained glass windows with the sun shining through, statues of saints, and incense and holy water.
I'm 17, going deaf slowly and I have rhotacism (I cant say the letter r) and I have always been "different" in a sense, not outcast, but different, and I get you completely! God love you!
Your way ahead of some people, God bless.
@@LukeShalz God bless, keeping you in my prayers.
Have been taking my 5yr old grandaughter to TLM. We sit up front in the side pews. She intently watches & follows. She tells me that she likes going with me to church & it is fun. Her way of telling me that she likes to go... as she is only 5. 🙂❤
Completely agree. When i was younger i found no meaning to life. Career didn't make me happy, hobbies didn't make me happy, staying constantly entertained didn't work either. Eventually you get bored and lost. Till i realized life is not about being entertained. Everything made sense with Catholicism.
“Popular culture is not real culture” BAM this is why I keep coming back to Brian 😊
So does one have to learn Latin to benefit from Latin mass
No. One doesn't need to learn Latin to participate. The English is printed next to the Latin.
You may be surprised that over time you do pick up upon the Latin.
When God called me back to Church He called me to a TLM Mass.
I am a returned prodigal daughter.
I had NO REAL IDEA WHAT I HAD WANDERED AND DRIFTED AWAY FROM.
I was poorly Catechised. I can't thank God enough for calling me home to the Church. I prefer TLM to NO. But I do attend both. All that matters to me NOW is that God grant me grace to stay the narrow path.
Broad is the road to destruction.
@@harmonygordon6901 thank you for your reply Harmony and I’m so glad God got you back. You remind me of the words to the hymn “Come Thou Fount” 💜🙏
No! Go to St. Mary Catholic Church in Conshohocken, PA's website. See if Fr. Gismondi's homily from 2 wks ago is still there. So relatable for you!
Brian, I really appreciate how you calmly and insightfully address the big picture. Yes, we don’t want entertainment-church. Your point about the fortification we need from the liturgy to face opposition to our faith is so spot-on! It’s something I think many older people don’t understand because they didn’t face what we’re increasingly facing. Thankfully, there are some who do!
I still love the Ordinary Form when it is prayed reverently as it was meant to be. 🤍
My wife and I had the same experience. My children prefer our traditional mass. In fact, my daughter got a toy for her 6th birthday. She did not look happy. We asked her what was wrong and she told us that she did not like the gift, which was from a relative. We, than, asked what she wanted. She told us that she wanted the traditional roman missal. We got it for her and she is stuck to it. She knows the liturgy and the day's saint better than me.she is now seven and still carries that missal as a hidden treasure.
Something similar happened with us.
While there are certain things I like about the Latin mass, I feel that when done properly, the Novus Ordo can be just as beautiful.
Nailed it man. This is how I feel inside but don’t have the words for. Going to be sharing this vid a lot!
In “The Righteous Mind” Jonathan Haidt looks at what moral traits arise across cultures and why. The more demanding and rigorous a religious community is, the more likely it is to retain its members.
When I went to my first Tridentine Mass it tied together everything that isolated teachers tried to teach me in my childhood. Everything suddenly worked together.
I'm a nondenominational Christian but I appreciate your videos so much! God's wisdom shines. Blessings
Google "who created the Catholic Church" then ask yourself why you attend a non-denominational "church" instead of the historical Church founded by Christ.
Heather, welcome to this community. Brian is great! Come Home ♥️🙏⛪
For those that read the comments:
My experience is different than finding the Latin Mass as I was brought up in it. I have attended the OF service during my stint in the military because I still wanted to keep my Sunday obligation, but that's as it went, I wasn't too enthusiastic about the experience. For me Brian raises some good points about culture and entertainment, but its deeper than that (my opinion). What drives me since I was a youth is the teaching that our actions can determine the consequence of either heaven or hell, and doing the right thing and keeping in the grace of God is the most assured way of salvation. At no point did any of my pastors, priests, and other spiritual directors just say, "God Loves you the way you are and everything is fine". It wasn't all fire and brimstone either, only that it takes work and love of God to attain spiritual perfection and it doesn't end until we die; so we only get one shot at it. I really don't like associating the spiritual satisfaction one "feels", but I could and can usually tell that I am in good standing with God via reception of the Mass and the Sacraments.
I really wish this "young people are going to trad parishes" thing was happening in my country. But alas...
what's ur country?
ou should watch Sam Shamoun you tube video, he is one of the best. He is called walking talking christian encylopedia. The best we have right now.
Same here
Prayer is a work we have to do! Authenticity is what the Youth is looking for.
--Brian Holdsworth
I recently found a latin mass in our community. They offer an unsung version and on Sunday is a sung version. My son has asked to attend both services. I am so happy. I want truth and tradition. I'm sick and tired of the hippy go lucky, Jesus loves everyone and everyone is happy! Mass starts in May, so we can't wait to start going. We have both been looking for a far more traditional services from the Catholic church. I've been thru too much in life as a single mum and I want truth and peace that can only come from Holy Mass and receiving Jesus. Nothing else!
Mr. Holdsworth, you are very wise, certainly more so than me. You have enlightened me on something which no one in my parish or in my (non-Catholic) family has ever even tried to explain to me. I was straying away from the Faith, but thanks to you and your many other videos, I have come back to it. May God bless you plentifully for your work for His holy Church!
Thank you and congretulations for all your content! Best regards from Cancún, México!
I totally agree!!! I work as a Youth Minister and I find that my kids continuously ask for Traditional Masses and teachings
Do they ask for traditional devotions as well , rosary, chaplets, adoration , etc. ?
@@RickW-HGWT Oh yes. I find they like the Latin Mass, they like the chance to prostrate in Adoration. Hymnns. Sometimes they challenge me to dive deeper into the history of our Church
9:21 "The world offers you comfort, but you were not made for comfort. You were made for greatness."
-Pope Benedict XVI
That's probably the best point you've made: Novus Ordo liturgists always say that liturgy needs to be updated to fit a certain time's tastes and preferences, and then will reference how other times have influenced the Liturgy with their tastes, e. g. the Middle Ages with Gregorian Chant, the Renaissance and the Barocco with overburdened ceremonies, polyphony, and golden putti everywhere, the Romantic period with orchestra Masses, and now our time with e guitars and bongo drums, which is all very fine and well. Vatican II in SC even said that more modern expressions of culture may be incorporated into the Liturgy, and "inculturation" is a word that is flung around in order to justify any liturgical abuse - because it's indigenous culture! (yeah, no, it's not, but that's another topic). But I hold: previous times were influenced by Christianity so that they in turn influence our worship with this refined High Culture. The Barocco era was incredibly devout, and all the pomp only served the greater glory of God. The music in that time was profoundly spiritual, and even operas had sacred texts and stories as their subject (think "Il Sant'Alessio" by Landi, or Bach's Christmas Oratorio). Our culture today, at least pop culture or "Low Culture" is ugly, commercialized, and tuned as to respond to our need, pleasures, passions (even the deviant ones) immediately. Electrical music is used to numb our senses, not to draw us nearer to God. In fact, when in the Middle Ages and the Renaissance people began to introduce vulgar music into the Mass (and people danced during Mass to those tunes!), the Church forbade such abuses and aberrations in order to protect the Holy Liturgy - the Council of Trent expressively wished that certain music be excluded from the Mass. Kumbayah is not a fitting piece of art or "cultural expression", and neither is "Gather Us In", and even less so any kind of secular music.
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What a great observation! A-ha moment for me as well. How to inculturate in the context of non culture?
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My kids crack up when I start singing that boring, drawn out song? "COME TO THE WATER, YOU WHO ARE THIRSTY....."the words are beautiful but the message gets lost in the tune..1980s Australia lost a lot of young people in the church during that abysmal time which is very sad...😪
When I was a small child, there was only the traditional mass, and I liked going, because I found it so mystical and cosmic, even though I didn't know Latin or the theology yet. Especially low masses with chant appealed to me. A friend raised his kids in a swingin' suburban Novus Ordo parish, and as they walked out of his Greek Orthodox mother-in-law's funeral, his son told him, "I never knew church could be spiritual!"
I legit delayed my baptism and confirmation into the Church at my local novus ordo because I loathed their liturgy rite. I finished my RCIA there but then started catechism again at the FSSP. No 'sexy jazz' liturgy, just the TLM. All meat and potatoes.
What an insightful reflection, Brian! - let’s choose kingdom over culture and not the reverse
Thanks again Brian. Another nudge to experience the TLM. I have not yet, 54 year old cradle Catholic. I shall pray for vision and His Will and look for a mass today that is extraordinary. Thanks brother, God Bless! Love and Prayers.
Transcendence and beauty - the engagement of all the senses of a traditional church including superior art. This is a stepping out of time into something so spiritual that one can feel it deep in your bones and heart. We all get bombarded by secular entertainment everywhere and the retuning to a church which embraces it's courageous and wondrous past is a relief from that loud repetitive and chaotic stimulation, especially for the young who may have never experienced this Peace of the Lord.
I am thinking about going to my hometowns Byzantine Catholic Church because they is no TLM in my area
I hear great things about their rite.
Byzcath is awesome! I would do it if I were you.
Definitely go, very reverent liturgy.
As I diocesan priest I have to say that this is one of your best, thank you.
Amen & Amen-as a 50 something cradle Catholic who missed the Latin Mass-I for one do not prefer the Extraordinary Mass-never the less as a youth who survived the "Charismatic" movement of the 70's with the onset of guitar Mass and family Mass I was completely swept away. I was an impressionable teenager during this period in the church. I was looking for something as a youth and found it at my church. It is ok-I stayed, I grew out of the "entertainment" aspect of attending Mass. It was the soft food I needed at that time. Now as a maturing catholic and active catechist I share my experiences in life-life in the church as it pertains to life in the real world. I share my faith in the classroom and struggle to "entertain" my young students and keep them engaged. I feel they respond to real storytelling-just as Jesus did and the Jewish families raising their children in the faith. An ancient form of teaching? Perhaps, but it is not necessary to show a video with every lesson. What is necessary is to have a real living faith and share that experience with all we have the honor to start the conversation.
Brian-I hope your parents are proud of you. I can see your passion and you are a great example for me of living the faith out loud.
May God bless you and your family. A new fan-renewed with hope.
I am 64 years old. Brought up Catholic. I do not consider myself Catholic now but still a Christian. Anyway growing up I was made to go to church and did for the most part until I was older. I liked both types of mass as much as anyone could who really would have preferred to be somewhere else. Point is I never remember anyone talking about wanting the mass not in Latin. My parents and all their friends were brought up in the traditional Catholic teachings and none seemed to want a change of any sort. So who pushed all the changes. It seems to me we keep getting change pushed on us we never asked for. Not just in the church but everywhere else too. They changes I see don't seem to be improving anything.
I'm not Catholic, but I have relatives who are. I remember looking forward to going to church with them and low key excited to hear a Latin Mass. Turned out it was a guitar strumming feel good mass, and I was a bit disappointed.
the Holy Latin Mass is amazing
I had a similar experience in high school. And even though my Novus Ordo mass was reverential when I joined the Catholic Church 7 years later I felt like something was missing. It took me 6 years of being a devout Catholic before I discovered Tradition/ traditional Mass. Thanks be to God.
Just go to one on your own! You won't be disappointed.
I like both the traditional Latin Mass and the Byzantine rite mass.
I always love your videos Brian, your content contributed to my decision to become Catholic. God bless you.
Love this. I grew up with a Catholic mom and Presbyterian Dad. We were involved in both churches, we went to both youth groups, were in choirs in both, and attended both his service and our mass every Sunday. We were baptized Catholic, but there was nothing stopping us from saying, "no we'd rather follow the Presbyterian faith." But I never once had the desire to. I had a lot of friends at his church, and at times it was a lot more fun. But the whole point of it all is to have relationship with the Creator and Savior, and that goes so much deeper than having fun. Even as a little kid, I knew the holier and more sacraficial practices were more sacred and more real.
Popular culture rejects everything that is objectively beautiful.
Pray for holy priests.
Pax Christi.
Yes that’s why they have horrible music (mostly) and horrible architecture (mostly).
People have 'bad disc' moments often when they're experiencing cognitive dissonance, I really appreciate your videos and analysis in general and here in specific, thank you Brian! May God bless you
It seems to me that we need a synthesis of the liturgical artistry of the Extraordinary Form and the accessibility of the Ordinary Form (in other words, to actually implement the vision of Sancrosanctum Concilium of the Second Vatican Council). I have loved every parish I've gone to that offers the TLM, but I'm a nerdy Latinist, and we may need to recognize that there is something unnecessarily anachronistic about proclaiming the readings in Latin at the altar and then offering an English translation at the ambo. Chanting the readings in the vernacular from the start, for instance, solves that problem.
I'm also with Cardinal Sarah, that if we are to continue with the Ordinary/Extraordinary Form arrangement, we probably should issue a revised missal for the Extraordinary Form to bring it in line with the current Roman Calendar so as to reduce confusion and lessen the sense that some are getting that there are two churches right now (at least in the Latin rite).
Thank you Brian. You always answer the questions I had no answer for, with so much modesty, simplicity and humility. God bless!
Thank you, Brian! Prayers for you and your ministry. God bless!
This is so eloquently stated and puts into words what I have been trying to formulate for awhile now. Thank you
My priest sent me this video. Im glad he did!
Good priest.
Brian, I was a liturgical musician for >50 years ( choir director & accompanist) & also worked with different Christian denominations, performed internationally. I agree with you 100%! Thank you for your wisdom & insight.
I pray the youth bring us to our beautiful traditional church. How I miss it.
This is the best explanation for the current paradigm. Great work!
Love all you do. You hit this out of the park, as per usual. Thanks!
Our youth is the generation that will lead society back to conservative values.
not based off what I've seen on tik tok and Instagram
I'm not sure about that, but there's more traditionalists than in the millennial generation. I think it is very split.
@@user-gm6ij2to7e I fricking hope so, otherwise the human race is toast
I'm 16yo, I have this kinda spirit of rebelion like any teenager, but I feel rebelious against secular society nowadays, all their tries to make us more progressive ended up making me a reactionary
I am so encouraged that your children feel the worth of the TLM...VERY encouraged.
For those considering trying the Old Mass, one time won't do it. Dedicate yourself to a month attending the Old Mass every week. It is a paradigm shift. I HATED my first experience of the Old Mass but I was very high church. After a while, it hit me and have been in love with it ever since.
Spitting straight up truths! Thank you for so clearly and well articulating some of the issues with blindly accepting the popular culture that is marketed to us, into worship, and doing it poorly regardless.
Brilliant and straight analysis, that no reasonable human can deny. I don't see many breaches where arguing is possible; it is, in my view, a quasi air-tight argument. +Pax+
Im a 27 year old Catholic who has recently discovered the TLM. Sadly in my country there is no TLM.
Same dude,where do you live?
@@templar7242 In Honduras (Central America) man, how about you?
@@guillelainez Kerala (state) South India also governed by a communist
@@templar7242 Damn, I think you have it harder than I do! But you assist a Novus Ordo mass right?
@@guillelainez You know what the worst part is realising that my father is communist and my mother is a democrat
Actor Shia LaBeouf told Bishop Barron in an interview that he loves the Latin Mass because “it doesn’t feel like someone is trying to sell him a car”. I thought that idea sums up everything that’s wrong with the mega churches.
I'm 44, and having grown up in protestantism, I badly want tradition so I'm considering RC and EO.
I hope you find your way home to the fullness of the Faith! Remember that before the Great Schism there WAS no "Eastern Orthodox Church." There has always been a "Catholic" Church -- the word "catholic" simply means "universal," i.e. the faith that the whole church believes today and always has. The Eastern Orthodox refuse to submit to the authority of the Pope in Rome, yet since the very beginning the Pope, starting with Saint Peter, was considered to have authority over the whole Church.
God bless you. I will say a Hail Mary for you.
Contact a traditional parish, they will be more then happy to help, God bless keeping you in my prayers.
Check out the SSPX which offers the Traditional Latin Mass
Thank you very much Brian for this great video. I would recommend The Reinforcements community to all of you out there who are looking for more of these in depth conversations.
When I got a new Google account, I lost my subscriptions. I'm glad I finally found your channel again and now I've subscribed a second time.
Amen, Brian! I think you nailed it. But of course this is something that goes way beyond the youth.
@Brian Holdsworth I love this video! The only thing I still have a hard time in wrapping my head around this is with the personal experiences of young people who actually like the more contemporary ways of worship. As someone who's a traditional Catholic, it's hard for me to say broadly that "tradition is drawing young people" when you still have teens who say: "I prefer the LifeTeen Mass more than the Latin Mass, it helped me get closer to God", "going to (retreat with contemporary, Christian rock Mass) changed my life end helped me get closer to God", or even, "I don't like traditional things, they're too rigid and don't help me get closer to God." There are still young people who genuinely believe that what they enjoy and are entertained by in contemporary churches is beneficial to their spiritual life.
And I'm saying this all from experience as someone who loved being involved in contemporary youth ministry for years while in high school. I became a more traditional Catholic as I started to learn about the Mass as a Sacrifice more so than a "celebration", and became convinced that my exterior actions (like how I dress to Mass) DO have an effect on how I love and honor God. My beliefs changed before my desire to stop going to the teen Mass start going to the Latin Mass did, and I had to accept it intellectually BEFORE my desire for tradition began. But I'm not so convinced that many young people had the same journey as of yet.
What could you say about this?
God Bless you and your service to Him.
I would submit better catacesis would help, is the purpose of mass to entertain or give honor and worship to God?. I would show / explain that they are part of a holy tradition at the TLM, good entertainment to reinforce the faith, absolutely ! ,but at mass we are at the foot of the cross observed venerable Bishop Sheen.
Very well spoken Brian. Thank you for your insight!
God bless you and your work, Brian.
Really solid stuff, Brian. So thorough & well said.
As a young man born roughly 30 years AFTER the publication of Pope Paul VI’s Apostolic Constitution ‘Missale Romanum’, who wishes today’s Roman Rite liturgy was identical to that promulgated in Saint Pope Pius V OP’s Papal Bull ‘Quo Primum’, this video is MUSIC TO MY EARS! I cannot thank you enough Brian - God bless you!
Going to the Latin Mass would be my last death wish tbh! I love it it's amazing! Tradcatholic here !
Wow - beautifully said! Thank you for ask you're doing!
growing up I was in awe of the Church's vast history and I was in love with it. The TLM is going to be the spearhead that brings the Church into a time of renewal and connection with the past.
This was an excellent video, thank you.
The average age of attendees at the OFM is ~ 45.
The average age of the TLM, at the same parish but very early in the morning, is ~ 25.
Couple that with the TLM having at least three times the attendance, and one might come to the conclusion that there is something valuable being sought; and, perhaps, that something may be worth preserving, or even promoting.
How many tlm parishes are there compared to OFM?
Im leave church for 10 years.. n found back my faith in Latin mass
Great insights and analysis. Lets pray this trend continues and is backed by the clergy. I hope many more see this video.