It’s only being sold because farming in the UK has been massively subsidised until Brexit happened. Now all the advantages of owning a farm have been almost stripped away there is little or no point in owning one. Add to that the fact that farmers are "price takers" instead of being "price makers" leaves no room for profit for the future. I’ve said it before, farmers need to get together and control the food sales to the supermarkets through a single desk, that way they not only control their future but they can steer the whole country in the right direction.
There are still many advantages of owning land in the UK ,generous inheritance tax concessions, carbon offsetting, access to environmental grants, and reasonable asset growth.Producing food ?your having a laugh 😂
We are 3rd generation farmers,,we used to send milk(40 years)) we sold the quota and switched to beef in 1990.Best decision we made,,freeing up countless many hours in the parlour.. Which in turn we were able to do the jobs that we never had time for before...As for growing food,,the supermarkets DO dictate the price paid to farmers,,but it's the consumer who wants ""cheap"" food...
@@markb1487 the consumers can still have cheap food and the farmers can dictate the price …we only need to make the supermarkets make a smaller profit.
I got out in 1996. Best days work I ever did in my life! MUCH less stress in my life and, be honest we've all been through periods of bad weather but for EXTREMES of weather there's definitely been a big change in the past 30 years or so. You are either dried up or flooded out. I have talked to those still in the game and they agree. One chap told me that last autumn although his spread is in the thousands of acres he'd only manged to actually drill a measely 160 before the winter set in and he'd never ever known it as bad as that before.
That's all part of the problem - there are so many more options for young people these days and if the farm doesn't pay then where is the incentive? The changes are weather are just making the job even more difficult which is compounding the issue.
You're right, its not that farms are selling, it's who's buying them. In my area of America, it's rich outsiders who are converting productive farmland into completely unproductive "horse farms" (their terminology) i.e. retirement estates where they can ride their horses. This is a massive problem that will reveal it's consequence in the near future.
Thanks for the comment and very sad to hear. It would be a tragedy here in the as well if farmers were driven off the land - they (not corporate America) are best placed to know how to get the best out the land.
It isn't just a UK problem; the same thing is happening in Kenya where land value has appreciated so much that the uncertainty of growing crops/keeping livestock as a retirement plan doesn't make sense anymore. I had to make the tough decision to sell; if my children do ever want to get into farming in future, it'll be easier tor them to rent rather than buy.
From being a very small child l have always wanted to be a farmer. I have worked on many beef and dairy farms and still do occasionally with some customers. I provide farm welding repair services because to try and buy a farm would me a lottery win or some giving me huge money for my business. At 57, time and money has gone against me.
It may not have satisfied you soul, but supplying basic services to other business is often the best way to make money 😉 In the gold rush it was the people supplying the picks and shovels who made a good living, not the miners ...and countless other examples. Perhaps consider smallholding ? Additional work as a contract tractor driver etc, just to satisfy your soul (and for the comfort!) ?
@@farmstockofficialI know someone who is In a particular position and this is not fact yet but apparently they are paying farmers to dumb them down and the next step which is within a few years is compulsory purchase of there un used unprofitable land which the farmers will declare themselves by having it on a not used basis get ready
Well argued but you really don’t need the flashy camera techniques and stock graphics. Trust in your message and your intellect to keep people coming back for more. Looking forward to hearing more from you.
totally agree with what you say , what you missed is the shortage of 18-40 year olds in the workforce , that is the age that does the heavy lifting and the shortage is not just here but the whole of the developed world , how many 18 year olds will enter the workforce in 5 or 10 years is already known because they have already been born and the numbers are falling , add to that the terrible standard of education in farm related colleges who cannot even teach the basics and there is a huge skill shortage , I am starting to hear about this from vets and one or two students and feed company bosses we know who have a grasp on how a farm ought to be run , the skill shortage has now infected the management of some large dairy farms and you know where that leads , as for us we are going to maximise what we get from stewardship and SFI and cut cattle numbers , we can cover our fixed costs and create profit the next 3-5 years in the hope better opportunities will present themselves in that time , we do have future plans , great vid though , please do more
Thanks for the comment. The skills shortage is a massive issue for the industry as a whole. There are so many different options available to young people there days and too little profit in farming. Many are pondering whether the whole thing is worth it.
If you claim any type of subsidies that say it's for the none use of land you are stepping into a compulsory purchase in the future unused land can be purchased for government need and use claim nothing use evry meter of land bad times are cuming the paperwork is drafted and decided decades before implementation
@@stone678 I agree , the most profitable farming years in my time were subsidy free , but back then we had a milk marketing board which was set up to stop farmers being ripped off and so far as I remember actually did just that , The EU said it was a monopoly and against the best interests of the consumer and ordered it disbanded , the vast majority of farmers joined an organisation set up after the MMB had gone only to have that also declared "too big" and a law passed to break it up , now we have 2 big European dairy companies , Arla and Muller calling all the shots and totally dictating prices and even though we are no longer in the EU nobody says a thing , yes you are correct the whole thing has been set up to make us slaves , we have not yet achieved escape velocity but I am trying to set my son up to do exactly that while holding on to both our farms
@@philiphall4805 wake evryone up you can the money has conditions and the end years of it will stab into your ownership keep your farms farms they are guna tax any little buisnesses on farms seprate eventually this is to add fees problems and charges unused barns not for agriculture will be taxed per meter on a commercial basis that's why they wont barns built they wont farms commercial so they can tax them to death when subbsies are gone keep evrything on your farm its currently protected by old common laws the commercial ventures are not please look into it
Farmers need to look after there workers, and respect them. That's part of the problem, they leave and move on. Selling off workers cottages and poor hourly rate.
im becomming a farmer and while things are definitely shit now im hoping it will turn around. i know many people in these comments have sold up, but im hoping this is all part of a cycle. farming has always had its problems so im hoping it will get better once the government open their eyes
Farmers see the writing on the wall With all the green restrictions. And the push for all this green crap. Big corporations are jumping in to outbid any others on the market.
I think there are opportunities to be had in the environmental space and farmers can capitalise on them as a diversification away from food production.
A farm needs a massive investment to start up and if the next generation of farmers arent interested in the industry why bother keeping it. Its very sad, alot of dairy farmers where i grew up have sold up and gone due to milk prices and tb, mostly duchy farms. Where i live know its more urban and when a farms goes up for sale its usually turned into housing or solar farms. Such a waste, you'll never get the land back once you've built on it. I admire any young farmers nowadays making a go of it. Some can be found on UA-cam, but where i live in the midlands its definitely in decline. No farmers, no food, no future
Couldn't agree more! It's difficult to keep farming for food production these days - particularly dairy. There are opportunities but the margins are so thin. 👍
as long as you can make the repayments and come out the other side , it will be a winner ......they stopped making land a long time ago ............ farm came up for sale beside us back in 97 .......130 acres run down place with a modern bungalo .......was got for 230 k its worth 1.8 million euro now ......
I think that's a good investment as long as you can keep up the repayments and interest rates don't go through the roof. Land is and always has been a great long term investment. Best of luck!
Surely it is a disaster like the housing market today that farmland is allowed to be bought by anyone as a tool of investment.this drives the price out of reach of young farmers or entrants. Another prime reason that farmers are getting out is that most have no food consumed at home from.their farms. They have by and large lost touch with nature, with added value, with the consumers and the possibility of making a living as individuals or co ops from food as opposed to what goes to the livestock market granary meat factory or dairy. Do they get the fact that farming today is a retail cost of production for a commodity reward. That is not and never will be a business but try convincing farmers of that. Take out monies paid to farmers from the taxpayer and take out off farm job income and what is left behind. To see farmland as a tool of investment is morally bankrupt when if no farmers there's no food and so ownership should be in the hands of the most people not the fewest on the biggest average size farms there has ever been
Very much like the housing market but you have to remember that money talks and bullshit walks. Those selling out will always sell to the highest bidder unless there is some sort of Gov intervention.
If you want to buy land for farming or homesteading don’t buy it in the UK it doesn’t matter which party is in parliament. They will find a way to destroy you and your ability to have independence and freedom.
UN suatainability development goals, rewilding, many policies aimed at reducing foodsecurity. All part of the Great Reset, net zero, etc etc. No farmers no food. Eat ze bugs, peasants.
Farmers have been ripping the public off for more than 70 years. Farmers are paid twice for food since the start of WW2 as we pay them massive subsidies, then charge high prices for produce in the shops. Greed knows no bounds when it comes to the British Farming industry, most people in the UK can't afford British farm produce. Yet we get great quality food from abroad that most people can afford in the supermarkets. Farmers lie their produce is best but who brought in BSE for example, not foreign farmers, British farmers greed brought us BSE. 50% of our food has come from abroad since the 16th century, we could never rely on British farmers due to their greed. Country's are ending the subsidy systems, except for the EU of course. sink or swim like every other industry!
BSE was not farmer created it was government relaxing the treatment of byproducts that were then fed to cattle,do your homework! I think you will find that any product that is traditionally produced with our climate is preferred by the supermarkets at a reasonable price. Since the WWars Government’s had a policy of cheap food with a safeguard of being a good percentage self sufficient,hence the subsidies,including the EUROPE. We the consumer have now got to make up our mind whether it’s produced in this country at a fair cost without subsidies or imported with a chance a problem like Ukraine (wheat/oil)disruption ,your choice 🤷
@@Anderzander The subsidies were brought in for our farmers to create more produce during wartime, those subsidies never ended. Australia ended her subsidies to farmers, guess what, no price increases just more efficiency. Our farmers produce high cost food that most British people can't avoid. We have been importing 50% of our food since the 16th century!
I was forced to sell up in the mid 2000's by the majority partner wanting their share out of the business. If i had known the interest rates would stay low then i would have bought their share out and kept going on my own. Things were reasonable until brexit then post brexit i am glad i didn't make that decision back then. I am glad I am out of farming now as the government has killed the farming sectors future. Looking at things now if i was younger again i wouldn't look to go into the farming sector. That's what is happening with the younger generation. They want a well paid Monday to Friday 9 to 5 job with holidays. Not working all hours 7 days a week as farming can be. I don't regret selling up as i have had more holidays and time to myself and go places since. Looking back it was the right decision as now my health gone downhill and would have had call it a day.
Thanks for the comment. A lack of profitability is massive effecting the next generation and many are looking at the job and thinking 'is it even worth it'? There needs to be more money in it to make it more attractive.
It’s only being sold because farming in the UK has been massively subsidised until Brexit happened. Now all the advantages of owning a farm have been almost stripped away there is little or no point in owning one. Add to that the fact that farmers are "price takers" instead of being "price makers" leaves no room for profit for the future. I’ve said it before, farmers need to get together and control the food sales to the supermarkets through a single desk, that way they not only control their future but they can steer the whole country in the right direction.
There are still many advantages of owning land in the UK ,generous inheritance tax concessions, carbon offsetting, access to environmental grants, and reasonable asset growth.Producing food ?your having a laugh 😂
We are 3rd generation farmers,,we used to send milk(40 years)) we sold the quota and switched to beef in 1990.Best decision we made,,freeing up countless many hours in the parlour..
Which in turn we were able to do the jobs that we never had time for before...As for growing food,,the supermarkets DO dictate the price paid to farmers,,but it's the consumer who wants ""cheap"" food...
@@markb1487 the consumers can still have cheap food and the farmers can dictate the price …we only need to make the supermarkets make a smaller profit.
@@richardlove4287 Laughable,, supermarkets are greedy,,profit over everything else..Always have been.
@@markb1487 saying that it’s “laughable” is an excellent indicator why farmers who won’t work together will always be price takers.
I hope your channel grows - you’re making great content
Thanks for that, much appreciated! 😍
I got out in 1996. Best days work I ever did in my life! MUCH less stress in my life and, be honest we've all been through periods of bad weather but for EXTREMES of weather there's definitely been a big change in the past 30 years or so. You are either dried up or flooded out. I have talked to those still in the game and they agree. One chap told me that last autumn although his spread is in the thousands of acres he'd only manged to actually drill a measely 160 before the winter set in and he'd never ever known it as bad as that before.
That's all part of the problem - there are so many more options for young people these days and if the farm doesn't pay then where is the incentive? The changes are weather are just making the job even more difficult which is compounding the issue.
You're right, its not that farms are selling, it's who's buying them. In my area of America, it's rich outsiders who are converting productive farmland into completely unproductive "horse farms" (their terminology) i.e. retirement estates where they can ride their horses. This is a massive problem that will reveal it's consequence in the near future.
Thanks for the comment and very sad to hear. It would be a tragedy here in the as well if farmers were driven off the land - they (not corporate America) are best placed to know how to get the best out the land.
It isn't just a UK problem; the same thing is happening in Kenya where land value has appreciated so much that the uncertainty of growing crops/keeping livestock as a retirement plan doesn't make sense anymore. I had to make the tough decision to sell; if my children do ever want to get into farming in future, it'll be easier tor them to rent rather than buy.
God help us all. Food shortages are coming...
Interesting to hear and thanks for the comment. 👍
& in the U.S.
From being a very small child l have always wanted to be a farmer. I have worked on many beef and dairy farms and still do occasionally with some customers. I provide farm welding repair services because to try and buy a farm would me a lottery win or some giving me huge money for my business. At 57, time and money has gone against me.
It may not have satisfied you soul, but supplying basic services to other business is often the best way to make money 😉 In the gold rush it was the people supplying the picks and shovels who made a good living, not the miners ...and countless other examples.
Perhaps consider smallholding ?
Additional work as a contract tractor driver etc, just to satisfy your soul (and for the comfort!) ?
Appreciate that and it's not getting any easier (read virtually impossible nowadays) to get land at current prices.
@@farmstockofficialI know someone who is In a particular position and this is not fact yet but apparently they are paying farmers to dumb them down and the next step which is within a few years is compulsory purchase of there un used unprofitable land which the farmers will declare themselves by having it on a not used basis get ready
Well argued but you really don’t need the flashy camera techniques and stock graphics.
Trust in your message and your intellect to keep people coming back for more.
Looking forward to hearing more from you.
Thanks for the feedback - will take it on board for next time. 👍
totally agree with what you say , what you missed is the shortage of 18-40 year olds in the workforce , that is the age that does the heavy lifting and the shortage is not just here but the whole of the developed world , how many 18 year olds will enter the workforce in 5 or 10 years is already known because they have already been born and the numbers are falling , add to that the terrible standard of education in farm related colleges who cannot even teach the basics and there is a huge skill shortage , I am starting to hear about this from vets and one or two students and feed company bosses we know who have a grasp on how a farm ought to be run , the skill shortage has now infected the management of some large dairy farms and you know where that leads , as for us we are going to maximise what we get from stewardship and SFI and cut cattle numbers , we can cover our fixed costs and create profit the next 3-5 years in the hope better opportunities will present themselves in that time , we do have future plans , great vid though , please do more
Thanks for the comment. The skills shortage is a massive issue for the industry as a whole. There are so many different options available to young people there days and too little profit in farming. Many are pondering whether the whole thing is worth it.
If you claim any type of subsidies that say it's for the none use of land you are stepping into a compulsory purchase in the future unused land can be purchased for government need and use claim nothing use evry meter of land bad times are cuming the paperwork is drafted and decided decades before implementation
@@stone678 I agree , the most profitable farming years in my time were subsidy free , but back then we had a milk marketing board which was set up to stop farmers being ripped off and so far as I remember actually did just that , The EU said it was a monopoly and against the best interests of the consumer and ordered it disbanded , the vast majority of farmers joined an organisation set up after the MMB had gone only to have that also declared "too big" and a law passed to break it up , now we have 2 big European dairy companies , Arla and Muller calling all the shots and totally dictating prices and even though we are no longer in the EU nobody says a thing , yes you are correct the whole thing has been set up to make us slaves , we have not yet achieved escape velocity but I am trying to set my son up to do exactly that while holding on to both our farms
@@philiphall4805 wake evryone up you can the money has conditions and the end years of it will stab into your ownership keep your farms farms they are guna tax any little buisnesses on farms seprate eventually this is to add fees problems and charges unused barns not for agriculture will be taxed per meter on a commercial basis that's why they wont barns built they wont farms commercial so they can tax them to death when subbsies are gone keep evrything on your farm its currently protected by old common laws the commercial ventures are not please look into it
Farmers need to look after there workers, and respect them. That's part of the problem, they leave and move on. Selling off workers cottages and poor hourly rate.
#NoFarmersNoFoodNoFuture..
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im becomming a farmer and while things are definitely shit now im hoping it will turn around. i know many people in these comments have sold up, but im hoping this is all part of a cycle. farming has always had its problems so im hoping it will get better once the government open their eyes
Let's hope so and good luck!
@ looks like its actually gotten alot worse since i posted that. Fuck sake
Old saying “ they’ve stoped making land”
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Farmers see the writing on the wall
With all the green restrictions. And the push for all this green crap.
Big corporations are jumping in to outbid any others on the market.
I think there are opportunities to be had in the environmental space and farmers can capitalise on them as a diversification away from food production.
A farm needs a massive investment to start up and if the next generation of farmers arent interested in the industry why bother keeping it. Its very sad, alot of dairy farmers where i grew up have sold up and gone due to milk prices and tb, mostly duchy farms. Where i live know its more urban and when a farms goes up for sale its usually turned into housing or solar farms. Such a waste, you'll never get the land back once you've built on it. I admire any young farmers nowadays making a go of it. Some can be found on UA-cam, but where i live in the midlands its definitely in decline. No farmers, no food, no future
Couldn't agree more! It's difficult to keep farming for food production these days - particularly dairy. There are opportunities but the margins are so thin. 👍
Good video i share your views totally 👍
Thanks!
I've recently bought 160 acres old man thinks I'm mad 😂, but I'm hoping in 30 years it will look cheap aa it always has done
as long as you can make the repayments and come out the other side , it will be a winner ......they stopped making land a long time ago ............
farm came up for sale beside us back in 97 .......130 acres run down place with a modern bungalo .......was got for 230 k its worth 1.8 million euro now ......
I think that's a good investment as long as you can keep up the repayments and interest rates don't go through the roof. Land is and always has been a great long term investment. Best of luck!
C'est dans quel pays ??
Ecosse et Angleterre.
From Scotland originally but now live in England.....
Is Bill Gates involved ! ?
Lets hope not! 😒
Textbook hyperinflation. "Everyone flees into the City(ies.)"
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Yes, but lots of farmers are old, isn't it?
They sell.
That's certainly part of it - an aging population with a lack of new entrants.
Surely it is a disaster like the housing market today that farmland is allowed to be bought by anyone as a tool of investment.this drives the price out of reach of young farmers or entrants.
Another prime reason that farmers are getting out is that most have no food consumed at home from.their farms. They have by and large lost touch with nature, with added value, with the consumers and the possibility of making a living as individuals or co ops from food as opposed to what goes to the livestock market granary meat factory or dairy. Do they get the fact that farming today is a retail cost of production for a commodity reward. That is not and never will be a business but try convincing farmers of that. Take out monies paid to farmers from the taxpayer and take out off farm job income and what is left behind. To see farmland as a tool of investment is morally bankrupt when if no farmers there's no food and so ownership should be in the hands of the most people not the fewest on the biggest average size farms there has ever been
Very much like the housing market but you have to remember that money talks and bullshit walks. Those selling out will always sell to the highest bidder unless there is some sort of Gov intervention.
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Established farmers don’t want any competition they buy London Hoggett
If you want to buy land for farming or homesteading don’t buy it in the UK it doesn’t matter which party is in parliament. They will find a way to destroy you and your ability to have independence and freedom.
Farmers have been treated terribly for years but parties of all colours.
UN suatainability development goals, rewilding, many policies aimed at reducing foodsecurity. All part of the Great Reset, net zero, etc etc. No farmers no food. Eat ze bugs, peasants.
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British Gov are stating that "food production sits at the centre of ELM's and the new SFI's" but I'll believe it when I see it.
Who is buying them !
It won't be other farmers because they don't have the money. It'll be corporates or foreign investors unfortunately....
Farmers have been ripping the public off for more than 70 years. Farmers are paid twice for food since the start of WW2 as we pay them massive subsidies, then charge high prices for produce in the shops. Greed knows no bounds when it comes to the British Farming industry, most people in the UK can't afford British farm produce. Yet we get great quality food from abroad that most people can afford in the supermarkets. Farmers lie their produce is best but who brought in BSE for example, not foreign farmers, British farmers greed brought us BSE. 50% of our food has come from abroad since the 16th century, we could never rely on British farmers due to their greed. Country's are ending the subsidy systems, except for the EU of course. sink or swim like every other industry!
BSE was not farmer created it was government relaxing the treatment of byproducts that were then fed to cattle,do your homework! I think you will find that any product that is traditionally produced with our climate is preferred by the supermarkets at a reasonable price. Since the WWars Government’s had a policy of cheap food with a safeguard of being a good percentage self sufficient,hence the subsidies,including the EUROPE. We the consumer have now got to make up our mind whether it’s produced in this country at a fair cost without subsidies or imported with a chance a problem like Ukraine (wheat/oil)disruption ,your choice 🤷
The subsidies were for cheap food - not farmers.
@@Anderzander The subsidies were brought in for our farmers to create more produce during wartime, those subsidies never ended. Australia ended her subsidies to farmers, guess what, no price increases just more efficiency. Our farmers produce high cost food that most British people can't avoid. We have been importing 50% of our food since the 16th century!
No clue at all. The subsidy system was to compensate farmers in Europe for producing food to higher standards, environmentally and health wise.
@@darcyoconnell41 The subsidy system started during WW2, the EU is just another layer!
Why are farmers selling up? Brexit.
That's part of the equation, yes.
@@farmstockofficial so you partly blame brexit, how do you explain all the European farmers that are protesting, they are still in the eu.
@@geraldandrew3289theyre protesting for different reasons. the eu wasnt perfect but it was definitely better back then
YEAH BUT WHAT ABOUT AGENDA 2030????
Yes , I like this channel but this is by design for total control of all @jeffreyhanna9538
IF we play our cards right (and that's a big IF) the climate agenda can be to our advantage!
I was forced to sell up in the mid 2000's by the majority partner wanting their share out of the business. If i had known the interest rates would stay low then i would have bought their share out and kept going on my own. Things were reasonable until brexit then post brexit i am glad i didn't make that decision back then.
I am glad I am out of farming now as the government has killed the farming sectors future. Looking at things now if i was younger again i wouldn't look to go into the farming sector. That's what is happening with the younger generation. They want a well paid Monday to Friday 9 to 5 job with holidays. Not working all hours 7 days a week as farming can be. I don't regret selling up as i have had more holidays and time to myself and go places since. Looking back it was the right decision as now my health gone downhill and would have had call it a day.
Thanks for the comment. A lack of profitability is massive effecting the next generation and many are looking at the job and thinking 'is it even worth it'? There needs to be more money in it to make it more attractive.