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Sola Scriptura is a man-made doctrine of the Protestant Reformation. In keeping with the Lord's command, the Gospel was handed on in two ways, Orally and in Writing. Also, the Church is the authority, not the Bible.
This is an honest question I have. If that is indeed the case, shouldnt the church not contradict what already has been written? For example:The Old Testament does not contradict the new one. God is a perfect God and would not contradict his own word. I say this because what the pope is teaching today is not biblical.
What does the Pope teach that contradicts biblical sources, because he never said all faiths led to God. That is merely a clear misinterpretation without context nor accurate transcription. Please let me know what else you confess to be contractions and I'll gladly advise you otherwise.
You're touching on a vital point in Catholic theology: the relationship between Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium. The Church doesn't pit these against each other but sees them as a harmonious whole. Think of it like a three-legged stool: * Scripture: The inspired Word of God, written down and passed on. * Tradition: The living transmission of the Gospel message, including teachings, practices, and interpretations passed down through generations. * Magisterium: The teaching authority of the Church, vested in the Pope and bishops in union with him, that authentically interprets Scripture and Tradition. These three work together, each supporting and illuminating the others. It's not about picking and choosing which one to follow, but recognizing their interconnectedness. Why not solely rely on one? * Scripture alone: Can be interpreted in different ways, leading to misunderstandings without the guidance of Tradition and the Magisterium. * Tradition alone: Could become distorted or lose its connection to the original message without the anchor of Scripture. * Magisterium alone: Would lack the foundation of God's revealed Word and the lived experience of the faith community. The Church's approach: The Church listens to all three, ensuring a faithful and consistent understanding of God's revelation. This approach safeguards against: * Proof-texting: Taking Scripture verses out of context to support a personal view. * Innovation: Introducing new teachings that contradict the core of the faith. * Stagnation: Failing to apply the timeless truths of the faith to contemporary challenges. By listening to the Church, we open ourselves to the fullness of God's revelation, passed down through centuries of faithful witness.
@@HolyFamilyHermit Except catholic doctrine is not at all in line with the bible because the bible doesnt teach that you are in control of your salvation and it doesnt teach that you can lose salvation by commiting any type of sin. Yet you guys believe that a faithful and believing christian, can lose his salvation by Lusting. Catholicism is a works based religion that doesnt teach the true gospel
Catholic teaching emphasizes the necessity of both faith and works for salvation. It's not enough to simply believe in God; one must also live a life in accordance with His will. * Grace: Salvation is a free gift from God, made possible through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. We cannot earn it on our own. * Faith: Belief in God and acceptance of His grace are essential for salvation. * Works: Faith without works is dead (James 2:26). Good works are the natural fruit of true faith and demonstrate our love for God. * Sin: While God's mercy is infinite, deliberate and unrepentant sin can lead to spiritual death. * Reconciliation: The Sacrament of Confession offers forgiveness and reconciliation with God for sins committed after baptism. This teaching is rooted in Scripture: * Ephesians 2:8-9: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast." * Matthew 7:21: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." * James 2:17: "In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." The Catholic Church teaches that salvation is a lifelong journey of cooperation with God's grace. It requires ongoing conversion, striving to live a virtuous life, and seeking forgiveness for our sins. * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvation_in_Christianity * www.pphmuseum.org/in-elizabeths-words-blog/2018/6/18/test * www.gracesagola.com/sermons/symphonic-evangelism-jesus-is-king/
Hello Brother! Here is why I believe in Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura asserts that scripture is the highest, but not only, authority in regards to Christian teaching. Why is this a legitimate teaching? 1) Ontology. Protestants claim that while oral tradition may be valid for some teaching, it cannot share authority with the scriptures because the scriptures are ontologically unique. Their very nature as the word of God makes them so, according to 2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness." 2) Christ. Protestants point to the actions of Christ himself, who appealed to the errant traditions of the Jews using the authority of scripture, not the authority of existing tradition. (Matthew 19:4, Matthew 4:4, Mark 2:25-28). Jesus treated the scriptures as the final authority for matters of doctrine, and routinely quoted from them. 3) History. The idea that scripture has a unique ontological position is not new, it has been around since the early days of the Church. John Chrysostom wrote in the 3rd Century that the scriptures are the "exact balance, and square and rule for all things, the declaration of the divine laws" and "If thou wouldest learn anything, thou mayest learn it from them."
I disagree with you but appreciate your kindness so I liked and hearted your debate. This is my response, To fully grasp the Catholic Church's perspective on Scripture and Tradition, we need to delve into the historical context of early Christianity. Imagine the nascent Christian communities scattered across the Roman Empire. Many were illiterate, relying on oral instruction and the shared experience of faith. The Gospels and letters we now cherish as the New Testament were gradually written and circulated over decades. During this time, oral tradition, the living memory of the Apostles' teachings, served as the bedrock of Christian life. Think of Paul's letters, for example. They address specific issues in those early communities, assuming a pre-existing foundation of oral teaching. This is explicitly mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, where Paul urges his readers to "hold fast to the traditions you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter." Furthermore, the Council of Jerusalem, recounted in Acts 15, demonstrates how the early Church leaders, guided by the Holy Spirit, made critical decisions on matters of faith and practice. They didn't rely solely on Scripture, as the canon was still forming, but drew upon both written texts and the living tradition they inherited from the Apostles. This dynamic interplay of Scripture and Tradition continues in the Catholic Church today. It's not about diminishing Scripture, but rather recognizing its inseparable connection to the living transmission of faith: * Apostolic Succession: The Apostles entrusted their teaching authority to successors, the bishops, ensuring an unbroken chain of transmission across generations. This living link to the original witnesses of Christ is vital for preserving the integrity of the faith. * The Magisterium: This refers to the teaching authority of the Church, vested in the Pope and bishops in union with him. The Magisterium acts as a guardian and interpreter of both Scripture and Tradition, ensuring fidelity to the original deposit of faith. * Sacred Tradition: This encompasses the teachings, practices, and interpretations passed down through generations, complementing and illuminating the written word. It's the living memory of the Church, ensuring the fullness of revelation remains accessible and vibrant. In essence, the Catholic approach recognizes that God's revelation is not confined to the written word alone. It's a living reality, entrusted to the Church, and faithfully transmitted through the dynamic interplay of Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium. This ensures that the message of salvation, proclaimed by Christ and witnessed by the Apostles, continues to resonate with power and authenticity in every age.
My friend, I have no idea where you get these ideas from, but you are misguided. 1. Christ is the highest authority. Christ is the word, not the Bible. The Bible contains the word of god, it is not the word manifest, that is Christ. 2. Christ is not dead, he dwells within creation, within us. It is the connection between us and God that allows each one of us to discern and participate in his will. You don’t find Gods will in the Bible, you discover it through faith, as it is different for everyone. 3. Understanding scripture can not be separated from the oral traditions, as discernment is a gift given by the power of the Holy Spirit. And that is not given so easily by picking up the Bible and professing you believe. You sacrifice yourself to God, and in doing so you enter into the mystery of God; you know God through experiencing him, not through understanding him through scripture (which can’t be done). 4. If all the Bibles were gone tomorrow, have we lost the word? Have we lost our way? Ridiculous. We have the word inside us in Christ. He is the word, and your worship (literally elevating the Bible to an authority that is above God himself) of the Bible is demonic, truly. By saying the Bible is the highest authority, you are quite literally saying “Christ has not risen. He is no longer here, active in our lives. Only the Bible.” I pray you find your home.
@@andrewjung6987 I accept that you will believe I am heterodox, but, with respect, that doesn't give you the right to strawman me. 1) Christ is the highest authority, because of his nature as God. Some sources have more authority than others because of their nature. I believe that scripture is the highest authority in regards to doctrine because it is the inspired word of God himself. (2 Timothy 3:16-17) Therefore it is that which we must appeal to in matters of doctrine. 2) I do not understand what led your to believe that I think that Christ is dead. I find it offensive that you think so low of me. This is not at all what my belief is. Sola Scriptura is but one of five other solae, please don't treat my argument as if this is all I believe. Scripture alone. Faith alone. Grace alone. Christ alone. Glory to God alone. 3) You are making erroneous presuppositions about my belief. I do not believe that everyone who simply picks up a bible and reads it even with a belief that it is true will necessarily be saved. The entire point of Sola Scriptura is that we submit to God by submitting to the word, because the word is the word of God. It's being, it's nature, is unique. (I also submit to the church, but that is a whole other kettle of fish.) 4) Please listen to me. I have never made the argument that the only authority is scripture, and I have never, not once, made the argument that scripture is the only way to experience God. You are currently fighting a caricature that is not a fair representation of my beliefs. I don't do this with your view of God, please don't do it with mine. 5) That question about losing scripture is a loaded question and I am under no obligation to answer it. All the bible in the world will not be gone tomorrow, so we will not lose the word. 6) I cannot express to you how strongly I do not place the bible above God. The very reason why I elevate scripture to such a high degree is because I believe that it is his inspired word. If a tradition contradict scripture, then I will choose scripture BECUASE God is the highest authority and this is his word, not in spite of God's authority.
I understand you're coming from a Protestant perspective, but I feel compelled to express my deep concern about your reliance on "Bible Alone." As a Catholic, it grieves me to see how this doctrine distorts the fullness of Divine Revelation. It's simply not true that Scripture alone is sufficient. Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium, the teaching authority of the Church, are vital for authentically understanding God's Word. They provide the context and continuity that safeguard against misinterpretations and ensure we remain faithful to the teachings passed down from the Apostles. Imagine trying to assemble a complex puzzle with only half the pieces. That's what it's like trying to understand God's plan without Tradition and the Magisterium. They provide the missing pieces that complete the picture of faith. I urge you to consider the richness and depth that the Catholic Church offers. We have the Eucharist, the sacraments, the wisdom of the saints, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit working through the Magisterium. These are precious gifts that can lead you to a deeper relationship with Christ. Please don't close yourself off to the fullness of truth. Open your heart and mind to the beauty and completeness of the Catholic faith.
You're confusing Sola Scriptura and Solo Scriptura. Similar but very different doctrines. Sola Scriptura says the Bible is the only infallible authority, but that Church Tradition and Heirarchy still has its place, it just isn't infallible (ie. Pope or traditions have a chance of being incorrect). Solo Scriptura on the other hand, is the "Bible alone" doctrine. Where nothing else matters except the Bible. My main argument for Sola Scriptura was always that Men are fallible. We are capable of being wrong and often get things wrong. Previous Pope's have sold "Tickets to Heaven" (a key reason for the Reformation) or even the current Pope when he said "all religions lead to God". I think many people believe he was wrong to say that, but thats ok because none of us are perfect. Think of the early Churches that Paul had to correct on some issues, they were directly founded by Apostles but still fell astray. It is rather arrogant to believe that we as humans are perfect and that we cant be wrong. Only 1 human was ever perfect and that was Jesus
What you mentioned are common misconceptions. Let's break down each point: Indulgences: * The Church has never sold indulgences. The notion of buying forgiveness has always been a misrepresentation. Indulgences are related to the remission of temporal punishment due to sins already forgiven. They are granted for specific good works and prayers. * Indulgences are not "get out of jail free" cards. They don't absolve someone from sin or guarantee heaven. The person must already be in a state of grace (meaning their sins have been forgiven through confession) and perform the required good works or prayers with sincere devotion. Pope Francis and Salvation: * Pope Francis has never said that all religions lead to God. He has emphasized the importance of interreligious dialogue and respect for all people, regardless of their faith. However, he maintains the Catholic Church's teaching that salvation comes through Jesus Christ. * His emphasis is on encountering Christ in one's own life and following the Gospel. While acknowledging the diverse paths people take, he consistently points toward Jesus as the way, the truth, and the life. Infallibility: * The Church teaches that Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium are infallible as a whole. This means they are without error in matters of faith and morals when they teach definitively. * However, individual members of the Church, even the Pope speaking on his own, are not infallible. Infallibility is a gift of the Holy Spirit to the Church as a whole, guiding it in preserving and transmitting the truths of the faith. Key Takeaways: * The Church's teachings on indulgences and salvation are often misunderstood. It's important to rely on accurate sources and avoid generalizations. * Pope Francis encourages dialogue and respect among religions, but he upholds the uniqueness of Jesus Christ as the savior. * Infallibility is a charism of the Church as a whole, not of individual members. It's crucial to always seek a deeper understanding of the Catholic faith from reliable sources, such as the Catechism of the Catholic Church, papal documents, and the teachings of bishops in union with the Pope.
How can you not see that you laid a trap for yourself? If men are fallible, how can you say that our understating itself isn’t? Now I’m supposed to believe that the Bible is understood the same way by all? That it’s never been misunderstood or taken out of context? The Bible is only infallible as long as a perfect understanding of it is held by the reader. Every single time you refer to scripture, you presume a full understanding of what you refer to. That is arrogance, my friend. The only way to discern truth is to stay in keeping with the oral traditions. To say that these are all corrupted and should be subjected to an authority other than Christ is demonic at its core. Christ is the highest authority, and his second coming was t as a book. He lives in us. By saying the Bible is the highest authority, you deny Christ, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Ok 2 Thessalonians 2:15 (ESV): So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. 1 Corinthians 4:6 (ESV): I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another So which one is it?
2 Thessalonians 2:15 and 1 Corinthians 4:6, when read in context, are understood by Catholics and Orthodox Christians to support the necessity of Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium in understanding and living out the Christian faith, along with Sacred Scripture. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 * "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." 1 Corinthians 4:6 * "I have applied all this to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brethren, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another." How these verses support Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium: * Tradition: 2 Thessalonians 2:15 explicitly mentions "traditions" taught "by word of mouth." This indicates that not all of the apostles' teaching was written down in Scripture. This oral tradition, passed down through generations, is considered an essential part of Christian teaching. * Magisterium: 1 Corinthians 4:6 warns against going "beyond what is written." This implies the need for an authoritative interpreter of Scripture to prevent misinterpretations and ensure the preservation of the true faith. The Magisterium, the teaching authority of the Church, is seen as fulfilling this role. * www.ncregister.com/blog/the-cottagecore-trend-won-t-lead-back-to-eden * orthodoxbridge.com/2023/04/22/reconsidering-2-thessalonians-215-and-sola-scriptura/ * www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=12-04-095-c
@@HolyFamilyHermit Yeah the NT contains spoken words and letters. Anything outside the bible does in no case overrule what is in the bible. The bible is the authority on all traditions and practices
The Catholic Church holds that God's revelation is not confined to the written word of Sacred Scripture alone. Instead, it embraces a rich and dynamic understanding of revelation encompassing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, with the Magisterium serving as the authoritative interpreter and guardian of both. Here's why Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium are considered equally valid, relevant, and important: 1. Historical Context: * Early Church Relied on Oral Tradition: In the early Church, before the New Testament was compiled, Christian communities relied heavily on oral teachings and practices passed down from the Apostles. This oral tradition formed the foundation of their faith. * Scripture Assumes Oral Tradition: The New Testament itself acknowledges the existence and importance of oral tradition (e.g., 2 Thessalonians 2:15). * Gradual Development of Scripture: The canon of Scripture wasn't finalized until centuries after Christ. During this period, oral tradition ensured the preservation and transmission of the faith. 2. Theological Understanding: * Fullness of Revelation: The Catholic Church believes that God's revelation is complete and encompasses both Scripture and Tradition. Scripture alone doesn't capture the entirety of this revelation. * Living Tradition: Sacred Tradition is not static; it's a living and dynamic reality that continues to unfold under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It allows the Church to engage with new challenges and apply the unchanging truths of the Gospel to contemporary situations. * Magisterium as Guardian: The Magisterium, guided by the Holy Spirit, ensures the authentic interpretation and transmission of both Scripture and Tradition. It safeguards the deposit of faith against error and distortion. 3. Practical Implications: * Understanding Scripture: Tradition provides context and aids in the proper interpretation of Scripture. It helps to avoid misinterpretations and ensures that the message of Scripture is understood in its fullness. * Guiding Christian Life: Tradition offers guidance on matters of faith and morals that may not be explicitly addressed in Scripture. It helps Christians to live out their faith in a way that is consistent with the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. * Unity of the Church: The Magisterium, by safeguarding and interpreting both Scripture and Tradition, helps to maintain the unity and integrity of the Church throughout the world. In summary, the Catholic Church's understanding of revelation emphasizes the interconnectedness of Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium. They work together to ensure the faithful transmission and understanding of God's Word, guiding Christians on their journey of faith.
Hey, im Orthodox and i have to defend sola scriptura because you totally misrepresented their point. You are strawmanning them. Protestants don't believe the Bible is the only source of Christianity, they believe the Bible is the only source of Christianity which is INFALLIBLE. Many protestants denominations like Evangelicals uphold traditional teachings, but they think that they are fallible and can be wrong. I admire your work but you should try to actually understand the protestant doctrine to not cause any confusion and weak strawman arguments.
Catholic and Orthodox traditions view themselves as the original Church established by Christ. They believe their doctrines have developed through continuous apostolic succession and guided by the Holy Spirit. Protestant denominations arose much later, often rejecting certain Catholic/Orthodox teachings. While Catholics and Orthodox may engage in ecumenical dialogue, it's not their role to justify Protestant interpretations they consider theologically inaccurate. Key reasons include: * Different Authority Sources: Catholics/Orthodox emphasize Scripture and Tradition, while many Protestants prioritize Scripture alone. * Conflicting Interpretations: This leads to divergent understandings on sacraments, ministry, and salvation. * Risk of Misrepresenting Doctrine: Attempting to justify Protestant views could unintentionally endorse interpretations considered incorrect. Instead, respectful dialogue and shared understanding are encouraged.
I understand you may be unaware that your new comment was blocked because it contained demeaning and vulgar remarks unacceptable in this forum. I'm surprised an "Orthodox" would act that way. Completely unacceptable. God bless.
Wait, this is disturbing. How are you claiming to be Orthodox while claiming that sola scriptura is a correct doctrine? It says that the Bible is the highest authority, and there’s no debating on this. It literally translates to “scripture alone.” It is the removal of the oral traditions and the rituals passed down through the priesthood, taught by the apostles, instructed by Christ himself. There is no way you are Orthodox and claiming to defend sola scriptura, while also completely misrepresenting what it actually means.
2 Thessalonians was written before the gospels, most likely, it was definitely written before the Gospel of John, and other books. To use that as a proof text of infallible authority outside the scriptures is simply a historical error. The oral tradition was eventually written down by the apostles and their followers into the books of scripture.
The New Testament itself provides evidence of a living, oral tradition accompanying the written word. Consider the historical context: * Early Christian communities were largely illiterate. Relying solely on written texts for spreading the Gospel was impractical. Oral teaching, memorization, and communal recitation were vital for preserving and transmitting the faith. * The New Testament writings took decades to compile and canonize. During this period, oral tradition served as the primary means of passing down the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. Think of Paul's letters, often addressing specific issues in nascent communities, complementing the broader oral instruction they received. * The Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) exemplifies how the early Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, made crucial decisions on matters of faith and practice through communal discernment, drawing upon both Scripture and oral tradition. This understanding of oral tradition is central to Catholic teaching: * Apostolic Succession: Catholics believe the Apostles appointed successors (bishops) to continue their teaching authority. This unbroken line ensures the faithful transmission of revelation across generations. * The Magisterium: This refers to the teaching authority of the Church, vested in the Pope and bishops in union with him. It safeguards and interprets both Scripture and Tradition, ensuring the integrity of the faith. * Infallibility: In certain solemn pronouncements on faith and morals, the Magisterium is believed to be protected from error by the Holy Spirit. This doesn't mean every statement by a Pope or bishop is infallible, but rather that the Church as a whole, guided by the Holy Spirit, cannot definitively err in its core teachings. This dynamic interplay of Scripture and Tradition ensures the fullness of God's revelation remains accessible and vibrant in the life of the Church. It's not about adding to Scripture, but rather faithfully preserving and understanding the complete deposit of faith passed down from the Apostles.
The Catholic Church holds that there are three sources of divinely revealed truth: * Sacred Scripture: This refers to the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments, which Catholics believe to be the inspired word of God. * Sacred Tradition: This encompasses the teachings and practices passed down from the Apostles, both orally and in writing, that are not explicitly contained in the Bible. * Magisterium: This is the teaching authority of the Church, vested in the Pope and the bishops in union with him, which interprets and safeguards both Scripture and Tradition. Catholics believe that these three sources are interconnected and inseparable. Scripture is seen as the written record of God's revelation, while Tradition is the living transmission of that revelation through the Church. The Magisterium, guided by the Holy Spirit, ensures the faithful interpretation and application of both Scripture and Tradition. Why not Scripture alone? Catholics believe that relying solely on Scripture would be insufficient for several reasons: * The Bible itself points to an oral tradition: The New Testament refers to teachings and practices not explicitly written down (e.g., 2 Thessalonians 2:15, 1 Corinthians 11:2). * The Bible was formed within the Church: The canon of Scripture (the list of books considered inspired) was determined by the early Church through a process guided by Tradition. * Scripture can be interpreted in different ways: The Magisterium provides authoritative guidance on the interpretation of Scripture, preventing errors and ensuring consistency in teaching. The role of the Magisterium The Magisterium is not seen as creating new doctrines but rather as faithfully preserving and transmitting the deposit of faith handed down from the Apostles. It does this through: * Defining dogmas: These are teachings considered to be divinely revealed and requiring the assent of all Catholics. * Issuing doctrinal pronouncements: These clarify and explain various aspects of the faith. * Approving or condemning theological opinions: This helps guide theological discussion and prevent the spread of error. In summary The Catholic Church believes that Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium work together to ensure the faithful transmission of God's revelation. While Scripture is the foundational source, Tradition and the Magisterium are essential for understanding and applying its teachings correctly.
@HolyFamilyHermit I'm aware of what the cathloic church beleives and I think many of those arguments against sola scriptura fall short, I'm just trying to show that you got sola scriptura wrong. It's not the only source for theology and practice, just the only infailable source, meaning you can have your traditions, just they ought to be subservient to scripture.
The Bible is not the only source of infallibility. The Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium are all infallible sources of God's revelation. * The Bible is the inspired word of God, written down by human authors under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. * Tradition is the living transmission of the Gospel message, passed down from the Apostles to the bishops through the centuries. * The Magisterium is the teaching authority of the Church, entrusted to the Pope and the bishops in union with him. The Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium are all interconnected and inseparable. They work together to preserve and transmit the fullness of God's revelation. Some biblical sources that support this understanding include: * 2 Timothy 3:16-17: "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." * John 14:26: "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." * Matthew 28:19-20: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age." These verses show that the Bible is inspired by God, that the Holy Spirit will guide the Church in understanding God's revelation, and that the Church has been commissioned to teach all that Jesus has commanded. In addition to the Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium, there are other sources that can help us to understand God's revelation. These include the writings of the Church Fathers, the lives of the saints, and the teachings of ecumenical councils. By studying all of these sources, we can gain a deeper understanding of God's will for our lives. * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperuit_illis * blog.cuw.edu/devotional-tools-2163/ * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filioque * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciple_(Christianity) * www.gcu.edu/blog/teaching-school-administration/teaching-tuesday-am-i-being-called-teach
I wouldn't trust "pope" Francis with being an authority for Christianity than I would pedo prophet of Islam, muhammed, piss be upon him @@HolyFamilyHermit
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Sola Scriptura is a man-made doctrine of the Protestant Reformation.
In keeping with the Lord's command, the Gospel was handed on in two ways, Orally and in Writing.
Also, the Church is the authority, not the Bible.
Amen!
This is an honest question I have. If that is indeed the case, shouldnt the church not contradict what already has been written? For example:The Old Testament does not contradict the new one. God is a perfect God and would not contradict his own word. I say this because what the pope is teaching today is not biblical.
What does the Pope teach that contradicts biblical sources, because he never said all faiths led to God. That is merely a clear misinterpretation without context nor accurate transcription. Please let me know what else you confess to be contractions and I'll gladly advise you otherwise.
Can the oral tradition contradict the scriptures? Or can the scriptures contradict the traditions? What is the standard to follow?
You're touching on a vital point in Catholic theology: the relationship between Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium. The Church doesn't pit these against each other but sees them as a harmonious whole.
Think of it like a three-legged stool:
* Scripture: The inspired Word of God, written down and passed on.
* Tradition: The living transmission of the Gospel message, including teachings, practices, and interpretations passed down through generations.
* Magisterium: The teaching authority of the Church, vested in the Pope and bishops in union with him, that authentically interprets Scripture and Tradition.
These three work together, each supporting and illuminating the others. It's not about picking and choosing which one to follow, but recognizing their interconnectedness.
Why not solely rely on one?
* Scripture alone: Can be interpreted in different ways, leading to misunderstandings without the guidance of Tradition and the Magisterium.
* Tradition alone: Could become distorted or lose its connection to the original message without the anchor of Scripture.
* Magisterium alone: Would lack the foundation of God's revealed Word and the lived experience of the faith community.
The Church's approach:
The Church listens to all three, ensuring a faithful and consistent understanding of God's revelation. This approach safeguards against:
* Proof-texting: Taking Scripture verses out of context to support a personal view.
* Innovation: Introducing new teachings that contradict the core of the faith.
* Stagnation: Failing to apply the timeless truths of the faith to contemporary challenges.
By listening to the Church, we open ourselves to the fullness of God's revelation, passed down through centuries of faithful witness.
@@HolyFamilyHermit Except catholic doctrine is not at all in line with the bible because the bible doesnt teach that you are in control of your salvation and it doesnt teach that you can lose salvation by commiting any type of sin. Yet you guys believe that a faithful and believing christian, can lose his salvation by Lusting. Catholicism is a works based religion that doesnt teach the true gospel
Catholic teaching emphasizes the necessity of both faith and works for salvation. It's not enough to simply believe in God; one must also live a life in accordance with His will.
* Grace: Salvation is a free gift from God, made possible through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. We cannot earn it on our own.
* Faith: Belief in God and acceptance of His grace are essential for salvation.
* Works: Faith without works is dead (James 2:26). Good works are the natural fruit of true faith and demonstrate our love for God.
* Sin: While God's mercy is infinite, deliberate and unrepentant sin can lead to spiritual death.
* Reconciliation: The Sacrament of Confession offers forgiveness and reconciliation with God for sins committed after baptism.
This teaching is rooted in Scripture:
* Ephesians 2:8-9: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast."
* Matthew 7:21: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
* James 2:17: "In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead."
The Catholic Church teaches that salvation is a lifelong journey of cooperation with God's grace. It requires ongoing conversion, striving to live a virtuous life, and seeking forgiveness for our sins.
* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvation_in_Christianity
* www.pphmuseum.org/in-elizabeths-words-blog/2018/6/18/test
* www.gracesagola.com/sermons/symphonic-evangelism-jesus-is-king/
Hello Brother! Here is why I believe in Sola Scriptura.
Sola Scriptura asserts that scripture is the highest, but not only, authority in regards to Christian teaching. Why is this a legitimate teaching?
1) Ontology. Protestants claim that while oral tradition may be valid for some teaching, it cannot share authority with the scriptures because the scriptures are ontologically unique. Their very nature as the word of God makes them so, according to 2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness."
2) Christ. Protestants point to the actions of Christ himself, who appealed to the errant traditions of the Jews using the authority of scripture, not the authority of existing tradition. (Matthew 19:4, Matthew 4:4, Mark 2:25-28). Jesus treated the scriptures as the final authority for matters of doctrine, and routinely quoted from them.
3) History. The idea that scripture has a unique ontological position is not new, it has been around since the early days of the Church. John Chrysostom wrote in the 3rd Century that the scriptures are the "exact balance, and square and rule for all things, the declaration of the divine laws" and "If thou wouldest learn anything, thou mayest learn it from them."
I disagree with you but appreciate your kindness so I liked and hearted your debate. This is my response, To fully grasp the Catholic Church's perspective on Scripture and Tradition, we need to delve into the historical context of early Christianity. Imagine the nascent Christian communities scattered across the Roman Empire. Many were illiterate, relying on oral instruction and the shared experience of faith. The Gospels and letters we now cherish as the New Testament were gradually written and circulated over decades. During this time, oral tradition, the living memory of the Apostles' teachings, served as the bedrock of Christian life.
Think of Paul's letters, for example. They address specific issues in those early communities, assuming a pre-existing foundation of oral teaching. This is explicitly mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, where Paul urges his readers to "hold fast to the traditions you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter."
Furthermore, the Council of Jerusalem, recounted in Acts 15, demonstrates how the early Church leaders, guided by the Holy Spirit, made critical decisions on matters of faith and practice. They didn't rely solely on Scripture, as the canon was still forming, but drew upon both written texts and the living tradition they inherited from the Apostles.
This dynamic interplay of Scripture and Tradition continues in the Catholic Church today. It's not about diminishing Scripture, but rather recognizing its inseparable connection to the living transmission of faith:
* Apostolic Succession: The Apostles entrusted their teaching authority to successors, the bishops, ensuring an unbroken chain of transmission across generations. This living link to the original witnesses of Christ is vital for preserving the integrity of the faith.
* The Magisterium: This refers to the teaching authority of the Church, vested in the Pope and bishops in union with him. The Magisterium acts as a guardian and interpreter of both Scripture and Tradition, ensuring fidelity to the original deposit of faith.
* Sacred Tradition: This encompasses the teachings, practices, and interpretations passed down through generations, complementing and illuminating the written word. It's the living memory of the Church, ensuring the fullness of revelation remains accessible and vibrant.
In essence, the Catholic approach recognizes that God's revelation is not confined to the written word alone. It's a living reality, entrusted to the Church, and faithfully transmitted through the dynamic interplay of Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium. This ensures that the message of salvation, proclaimed by Christ and witnessed by the Apostles, continues to resonate with power and authenticity in every age.
The teaching office of the Church, which is responsible for Scripture and Tradition, is the authority, not the Bible.
My friend, I have no idea where you get these ideas from, but you are misguided. 1. Christ is the highest authority. Christ is the word, not the Bible. The Bible contains the word of god, it is not the word manifest, that is Christ. 2. Christ is not dead, he dwells within creation, within us. It is the connection between us and God that allows each one of us to discern and participate in his will. You don’t find Gods will in the Bible, you discover it through faith, as it is different for everyone. 3. Understanding scripture can not be separated from the oral traditions, as discernment is a gift given by the power of the Holy Spirit. And that is not given so easily by picking up the Bible and professing you believe. You sacrifice yourself to God, and in doing so you enter into the mystery of God; you know God through experiencing him, not through understanding him through scripture (which can’t be done). 4. If all the Bibles were gone tomorrow, have we lost the word? Have we lost our way? Ridiculous. We have the word inside us in Christ. He is the word, and your worship (literally elevating the Bible to an authority that is above God himself) of the Bible is demonic, truly. By saying the Bible is the highest authority, you are quite literally saying “Christ has not risen. He is no longer here, active in our lives. Only the Bible.” I pray you find your home.
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I accept that you will believe I am heterodox, but, with respect, that doesn't give you the right to strawman me.
1) Christ is the highest authority, because of his nature as God. Some sources have more authority than others because of their nature. I believe that scripture is the highest authority in regards to doctrine because it is the inspired word of God himself. (2 Timothy 3:16-17) Therefore it is that which we must appeal to in matters of doctrine.
2) I do not understand what led your to believe that I think that Christ is dead. I find it offensive that you think so low of me. This is not at all what my belief is. Sola Scriptura is but one of five other solae, please don't treat my argument as if this is all I believe. Scripture alone. Faith alone. Grace alone. Christ alone. Glory to God alone.
3) You are making erroneous presuppositions about my belief. I do not believe that everyone who simply picks up a bible and reads it even with a belief that it is true will necessarily be saved. The entire point of Sola Scriptura is that we submit to God by submitting to the word, because the word is the word of God. It's being, it's nature, is unique.
(I also submit to the church, but that is a whole other kettle of fish.)
4) Please listen to me. I have never made the argument that the only authority is scripture, and I have never, not once, made the argument that scripture is the only way to experience God. You are currently fighting a caricature that is not a fair representation of my beliefs. I don't do this with your view of God, please don't do it with mine.
5) That question about losing scripture is a loaded question and I am under no obligation to answer it. All the bible in the world will not be gone tomorrow, so we will not lose the word.
6) I cannot express to you how strongly I do not place the bible above God. The very reason why I elevate scripture to such a high degree is because I believe that it is his inspired word. If a tradition contradict scripture, then I will choose scripture BECUASE God is the highest authority and this is his word, not in spite of God's authority.
I understand you're coming from a Protestant perspective, but I feel compelled to express my deep concern about your reliance on "Bible Alone." As a Catholic, it grieves me to see how this doctrine distorts the fullness of Divine Revelation.
It's simply not true that Scripture alone is sufficient. Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium, the teaching authority of the Church, are vital for authentically understanding God's Word. They provide the context and continuity that safeguard against misinterpretations and ensure we remain faithful to the teachings passed down from the Apostles.
Imagine trying to assemble a complex puzzle with only half the pieces. That's what it's like trying to understand God's plan without Tradition and the Magisterium. They provide the missing pieces that complete the picture of faith.
I urge you to consider the richness and depth that the Catholic Church offers. We have the Eucharist, the sacraments, the wisdom of the saints, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit working through the Magisterium. These are precious gifts that can lead you to a deeper relationship with Christ.
Please don't close yourself off to the fullness of truth. Open your heart and mind to the beauty and completeness of the Catholic faith.
You're confusing Sola Scriptura and Solo Scriptura. Similar but very different doctrines.
Sola Scriptura says the Bible is the only infallible authority, but that Church Tradition and Heirarchy still has its place, it just isn't infallible (ie. Pope or traditions have a chance of being incorrect).
Solo Scriptura on the other hand, is the "Bible alone" doctrine. Where nothing else matters except the Bible.
My main argument for Sola Scriptura was always that Men are fallible. We are capable of being wrong and often get things wrong. Previous Pope's have sold "Tickets to Heaven" (a key reason for the Reformation) or even the current Pope when he said "all religions lead to God". I think many people believe he was wrong to say that, but thats ok because none of us are perfect. Think of the early Churches that Paul had to correct on some issues, they were directly founded by Apostles but still fell astray. It is rather arrogant to believe that we as humans are perfect and that we cant be wrong. Only 1 human was ever perfect and that was Jesus
What you mentioned are common misconceptions. Let's break down each point:
Indulgences:
* The Church has never sold indulgences. The notion of buying forgiveness has always been a misrepresentation. Indulgences are related to the remission of temporal punishment due to sins already forgiven. They are granted for specific good works and prayers.
* Indulgences are not "get out of jail free" cards. They don't absolve someone from sin or guarantee heaven. The person must already be in a state of grace (meaning their sins have been forgiven through confession) and perform the required good works or prayers with sincere devotion.
Pope Francis and Salvation:
* Pope Francis has never said that all religions lead to God. He has emphasized the importance of interreligious dialogue and respect for all people, regardless of their faith. However, he maintains the Catholic Church's teaching that salvation comes through Jesus Christ.
* His emphasis is on encountering Christ in one's own life and following the Gospel. While acknowledging the diverse paths people take, he consistently points toward Jesus as the way, the truth, and the life.
Infallibility:
* The Church teaches that Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Magisterium are infallible as a whole. This means they are without error in matters of faith and morals when they teach definitively.
* However, individual members of the Church, even the Pope speaking on his own, are not infallible. Infallibility is a gift of the Holy Spirit to the Church as a whole, guiding it in preserving and transmitting the truths of the faith.
Key Takeaways:
* The Church's teachings on indulgences and salvation are often misunderstood. It's important to rely on accurate sources and avoid generalizations.
* Pope Francis encourages dialogue and respect among religions, but he upholds the uniqueness of Jesus Christ as the savior.
* Infallibility is a charism of the Church as a whole, not of individual members.
It's crucial to always seek a deeper understanding of the Catholic faith from reliable sources, such as the Catechism of the Catholic Church, papal documents, and the teachings of bishops in union with the Pope.
How can you not see that you laid a trap for yourself? If men are fallible, how can you say that our understating itself isn’t? Now I’m supposed to believe that the Bible is understood the same way by all? That it’s never been misunderstood or taken out of context? The Bible is only infallible as long as a perfect understanding of it is held by the reader. Every single time you refer to scripture, you presume a full understanding of what you refer to. That is arrogance, my friend. The only way to discern truth is to stay in keeping with the oral traditions. To say that these are all corrupted and should be subjected to an authority other than Christ is demonic at its core. Christ is the highest authority, and his second coming was t as a book. He lives in us. By saying the Bible is the highest authority, you deny Christ, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
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2 Thessalonians 2:15 (ESV): So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.
1 Corinthians 4:6 (ESV): I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another
So which one is it?
2 Thessalonians 2:15 and 1 Corinthians 4:6, when read in context, are understood by Catholics and Orthodox Christians to support the necessity of Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium in understanding and living out the Christian faith, along with Sacred Scripture.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
* "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter."
1 Corinthians 4:6
* "I have applied all this to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brethren, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another."
How these verses support Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium:
* Tradition: 2 Thessalonians 2:15 explicitly mentions "traditions" taught "by word of mouth." This indicates that not all of the apostles' teaching was written down in Scripture. This oral tradition, passed down through generations, is considered an essential part of Christian teaching.
* Magisterium: 1 Corinthians 4:6 warns against going "beyond what is written." This implies the need for an authoritative interpreter of Scripture to prevent misinterpretations and ensure the preservation of the true faith. The Magisterium, the teaching authority of the Church, is seen as fulfilling this role.
* www.ncregister.com/blog/the-cottagecore-trend-won-t-lead-back-to-eden
* orthodoxbridge.com/2023/04/22/reconsidering-2-thessalonians-215-and-sola-scriptura/
* www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=12-04-095-c
1 Cor. iv, 6 just promotes Prima Scriptura not Sola Scriptura.
@@HolyFamilyHermit Yeah the NT contains spoken words and letters. Anything outside the bible does in no case overrule what is in the bible. The bible is the authority on all traditions and practices
The Catholic Church holds that God's revelation is not confined to the written word of Sacred Scripture alone. Instead, it embraces a rich and dynamic understanding of revelation encompassing both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, with the Magisterium serving as the authoritative interpreter and guardian of both.
Here's why Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium are considered equally valid, relevant, and important:
1. Historical Context:
* Early Church Relied on Oral Tradition: In the early Church, before the New Testament was compiled, Christian communities relied heavily on oral teachings and practices passed down from the Apostles. This oral tradition formed the foundation of their faith.
* Scripture Assumes Oral Tradition: The New Testament itself acknowledges the existence and importance of oral tradition (e.g., 2 Thessalonians 2:15).
* Gradual Development of Scripture: The canon of Scripture wasn't finalized until centuries after Christ. During this period, oral tradition ensured the preservation and transmission of the faith.
2. Theological Understanding:
* Fullness of Revelation: The Catholic Church believes that God's revelation is complete and encompasses both Scripture and Tradition. Scripture alone doesn't capture the entirety of this revelation.
* Living Tradition: Sacred Tradition is not static; it's a living and dynamic reality that continues to unfold under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It allows the Church to engage with new challenges and apply the unchanging truths of the Gospel to contemporary situations.
* Magisterium as Guardian: The Magisterium, guided by the Holy Spirit, ensures the authentic interpretation and transmission of both Scripture and Tradition. It safeguards the deposit of faith against error and distortion.
3. Practical Implications:
* Understanding Scripture: Tradition provides context and aids in the proper interpretation of Scripture. It helps to avoid misinterpretations and ensures that the message of Scripture is understood in its fullness.
* Guiding Christian Life: Tradition offers guidance on matters of faith and morals that may not be explicitly addressed in Scripture. It helps Christians to live out their faith in a way that is consistent with the teachings of Christ and the Apostles.
* Unity of the Church: The Magisterium, by safeguarding and interpreting both Scripture and Tradition, helps to maintain the unity and integrity of the Church throughout the world.
In summary, the Catholic Church's understanding of revelation emphasizes the interconnectedness of Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium. They work together to ensure the faithful transmission and understanding of God's Word, guiding Christians on their journey of faith.
Hey, im Orthodox and i have to defend sola scriptura because you totally misrepresented their point. You are strawmanning them. Protestants don't believe the Bible is the only source of Christianity, they believe the Bible is the only source of Christianity which is INFALLIBLE. Many protestants denominations like Evangelicals uphold traditional teachings, but they think that they are fallible and can be wrong. I admire your work but you should try to actually understand the protestant doctrine to not cause any confusion and weak strawman arguments.
Catholic and Orthodox traditions view themselves as the original Church established by Christ. They believe their doctrines have developed through continuous apostolic succession and guided by the Holy Spirit.
Protestant denominations arose much later, often rejecting certain Catholic/Orthodox teachings. While Catholics and Orthodox may engage in ecumenical dialogue, it's not their role to justify Protestant interpretations they consider theologically inaccurate.
Key reasons include:
* Different Authority Sources: Catholics/Orthodox emphasize Scripture and Tradition, while many Protestants prioritize Scripture alone.
* Conflicting Interpretations: This leads to divergent understandings on sacraments, ministry, and salvation.
* Risk of Misrepresenting Doctrine: Attempting to justify Protestant views could unintentionally endorse interpretations considered incorrect.
Instead, respectful dialogue and shared understanding are encouraged.
I understand you may be unaware that your new comment was blocked because it contained demeaning and vulgar remarks unacceptable in this forum. I'm surprised an "Orthodox" would act that way. Completely unacceptable. God bless.
Wait, this is disturbing. How are you claiming to be Orthodox while claiming that sola scriptura is a correct doctrine? It says that the Bible is the highest authority, and there’s no debating on this. It literally translates to “scripture alone.” It is the removal of the oral traditions and the rituals passed down through the priesthood, taught by the apostles, instructed by Christ himself. There is no way you are Orthodox and claiming to defend sola scriptura, while also completely misrepresenting what it actually means.
2 Thessalonians was written before the gospels, most likely, it was definitely written before the Gospel of John, and other books. To use that as a proof text of infallible authority outside the scriptures is simply a historical error. The oral tradition was eventually written down by the apostles and their followers into the books of scripture.
The New Testament itself provides evidence of a living, oral tradition accompanying the written word. Consider the historical context:
* Early Christian communities were largely illiterate. Relying solely on written texts for spreading the Gospel was impractical. Oral teaching, memorization, and communal recitation were vital for preserving and transmitting the faith.
* The New Testament writings took decades to compile and canonize. During this period, oral tradition served as the primary means of passing down the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. Think of Paul's letters, often addressing specific issues in nascent communities, complementing the broader oral instruction they received.
* The Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) exemplifies how the early Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, made crucial decisions on matters of faith and practice through communal discernment, drawing upon both Scripture and oral tradition.
This understanding of oral tradition is central to Catholic teaching:
* Apostolic Succession: Catholics believe the Apostles appointed successors (bishops) to continue their teaching authority. This unbroken line ensures the faithful transmission of revelation across generations.
* The Magisterium: This refers to the teaching authority of the Church, vested in the Pope and bishops in union with him. It safeguards and interprets both Scripture and Tradition, ensuring the integrity of the faith.
* Infallibility: In certain solemn pronouncements on faith and morals, the Magisterium is believed to be protected from error by the Holy Spirit. This doesn't mean every statement by a Pope or bishop is infallible, but rather that the Church as a whole, guided by the Holy Spirit, cannot definitively err in its core teachings.
This dynamic interplay of Scripture and Tradition ensures the fullness of God's revelation remains accessible and vibrant in the life of the Church. It's not about adding to Scripture, but rather faithfully preserving and understanding the complete deposit of faith passed down from the Apostles.
Sole *infailable* source for teaching, you can certainly learn elsewhere. Elsewhere is not infailable like scripture
The Catholic Church holds that there are three sources of divinely revealed truth:
* Sacred Scripture: This refers to the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments, which Catholics believe to be the inspired word of God.
* Sacred Tradition: This encompasses the teachings and practices passed down from the Apostles, both orally and in writing, that are not explicitly contained in the Bible.
* Magisterium: This is the teaching authority of the Church, vested in the Pope and the bishops in union with him, which interprets and safeguards both Scripture and Tradition.
Catholics believe that these three sources are interconnected and inseparable. Scripture is seen as the written record of God's revelation, while Tradition is the living transmission of that revelation through the Church. The Magisterium, guided by the Holy Spirit, ensures the faithful interpretation and application of both Scripture and Tradition.
Why not Scripture alone?
Catholics believe that relying solely on Scripture would be insufficient for several reasons:
* The Bible itself points to an oral tradition: The New Testament refers to teachings and practices not explicitly written down (e.g., 2 Thessalonians 2:15, 1 Corinthians 11:2).
* The Bible was formed within the Church: The canon of Scripture (the list of books considered inspired) was determined by the early Church through a process guided by Tradition.
* Scripture can be interpreted in different ways: The Magisterium provides authoritative guidance on the interpretation of Scripture, preventing errors and ensuring consistency in teaching.
The role of the Magisterium
The Magisterium is not seen as creating new doctrines but rather as faithfully preserving and transmitting the deposit of faith handed down from the Apostles. It does this through:
* Defining dogmas: These are teachings considered to be divinely revealed and requiring the assent of all Catholics.
* Issuing doctrinal pronouncements: These clarify and explain various aspects of the faith.
* Approving or condemning theological opinions: This helps guide theological discussion and prevent the spread of error.
In summary
The Catholic Church believes that Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium work together to ensure the faithful transmission of God's revelation. While Scripture is the foundational source, Tradition and the Magisterium are essential for understanding and applying its teachings correctly.
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I'm aware of what the cathloic church beleives and I think many of those arguments against sola scriptura fall short, I'm just trying to show that you got sola scriptura wrong. It's not the only source for theology and practice, just the only infailable source, meaning you can have your traditions, just they ought to be subservient to scripture.
The Bible is not the only source of infallibility. The Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium are all infallible sources of God's revelation.
* The Bible is the inspired word of God, written down by human authors under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
* Tradition is the living transmission of the Gospel message, passed down from the Apostles to the bishops through the centuries.
* The Magisterium is the teaching authority of the Church, entrusted to the Pope and the bishops in union with him.
The Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium are all interconnected and inseparable. They work together to preserve and transmit the fullness of God's revelation.
Some biblical sources that support this understanding include:
* 2 Timothy 3:16-17: "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
* John 14:26: "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you."
* Matthew 28:19-20: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."
These verses show that the Bible is inspired by God, that the Holy Spirit will guide the Church in understanding God's revelation, and that the Church has been commissioned to teach all that Jesus has commanded.
In addition to the Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium, there are other sources that can help us to understand God's revelation. These include the writings of the Church Fathers, the lives of the saints, and the teachings of ecumenical councils.
By studying all of these sources, we can gain a deeper understanding of God's will for our lives.
* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aperuit_illis
* blog.cuw.edu/devotional-tools-2163/
* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filioque
* en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciple_(Christianity)
* www.gcu.edu/blog/teaching-school-administration/teaching-tuesday-am-i-being-called-teach
I wouldn't trust "pope" Francis with being an authority for Christianity than I would pedo prophet of Islam, muhammed, piss be upon him @@HolyFamilyHermit
I only approved your comment because of your opinion on Islame. I hold firm to the Church because Jesus said the gates of hell will NEVER overcome the Church