Lol! I mentioned this last year...I see a lot of Video Walls are becoming affordable as well.... That's why I'm still going with a video or the 115in Hisense...
@@Youthman You are right! They're are some due to the refresh rates...Believe me! I've been doing my research! I'm about 9-12 months away from pulling the trigger... Waiting on the the home build first... Okay! Let's get Hisense to MWave....
At CES, TCL unveiled a 115" mini-LED with 20k dimming zones and 5k nits, and Hisense unveiled a 110" mini-LED with 40k dimming zones and 10k nits. My PJ screen is 135" with an NX9, and I have several TVs up to 85". If they hit 120" and it can be mounted on a stand so I can bring it closer, I may have to make the switch.
Bought my first ever projector in December'2023: an Epson LS650. No dedicated screen, it is bright enough. Changed from a 65" TV to a ~100" giant picture. I LOVE how the room looks now without the black square (=TV) and of course the immersion, wow. I think the two products will remain on the market and neither will be a one-choice-fits-all, since both offer different advantages over the other. For me personally: ease of move between apartments, no need to drill holes in the wall to mount, no big freakin' black square in the middle of the room, also no reflections off the screen.
I have a 150” diagonal screen. It’s the most durable fabric I have seen on the market. We were using a butter knife during the install to push it into the groove and securing it with spline. We never damaged it once.
I have a 65” SONY A1E OLED in the living room and a projector in the dedicated movie room. 9/10 the family prefers the movie room even though the image is “inferior” but because: 1. The immersive experience (even at a humble 110”) 2. Reflected light is easier on the eyes than emitted light which tends to have an artificial feel. We talk about listening fatigue with speakers but your eyes can also get visual fatigue from looking at a screen. FYI Michael: Your positive attitude and approach to this hobby is much appreciated!
Hi, I have a 65" Sony A90J OLED TV in my home theater room. In another room I have a Sony A9G OLED TV in a 77". They both are great TV's, and I like them all the same. As far as projectors are concern, projectors give the viewer the real home theater experience.
Wow! In Australia a 100" TV is still around 6k. There's a place for both but a projector is definitely softer on the eyes for movies. Sporting events better on TV. I have always hated the term "media room" as it sounds like working from home. Theatre room is much more relaxing 😌. Anyways it's great that screens are getting bigger and better!
this is a point I rarely see come up. I believe the days of projectors are numbered, but I'll always personally prefer them due to the non reflection and no fatigue on the eyes. I've always actually found TVs to feel a big cheap with their glossy screen.
@@ke5943 that's also for me a reason to get a projector. I've a 'big' TV (for Europe) at 70" but having been in meetings on huge TV's, I found it tiring on the eyes compared to a projector. Also those (expensive) big TV's had some dimmer areas at the edges. Colours are fantastic off course, unbeatable, but a projector I can look at for hours without issues, with the TV I needed to look away frequently to have my eyes reset. It's like looking into a light bulb.
Have screen manufacturers developed ATS fot UST projectors? I guess it is the way to go for UST projectors to remain competitive versus big screen tvs.
I never owned a projector before until 2024. I decided to buy an ( ultra short throw projector) by Epson . It was on sale for $1300 and uses lasers to project an image of 120 inches “ 10 feet 😬. No need to worry about having a 25 foot room anymore, it sits less than two feet from the wall. In a controlled light environment the picture is amazing even without a projector screen. It’s estimated to last for 20,000- 30,000 hours… way beyond that of a large tv. If you want a theater experience this option is incredible in areas of the house that would have been impossible before.
That's one thing nobody ever mentions about large format TVs is the weight. If they ever get up to 120 in that's a 10ft wide console you'll need to hold up a TV that's going to be probably 300 lbs. Or a mount that can hold it across four studs.
Love hearing your perspective on this. I agree that for larger screen experience a projector is still the better option. Can’t wait to see what the landscape will be like when modular microLED display become affordable. Hopefully you’ll be making a video about it sooner than later! 😆
I have a 150" 16:9 Elite screen for my NZ8 and I just purchased the Hisense 100U76N for $2k to go downstairs in my living room. I also have an LG OLED 83C1 for my gaming room. I love my projector due to its motorized lens and being able to customize the custom aspect ratio, but the Hisense will be a daily driver. At $2k it was a good purchase. If you rant something truly immersion I recommend the Rokid Max glasses. 120" Oled image. I take them to work daily with my ROG Ally and it simply can't be beat.
he is right! 55" is just a screen, screen for tv shows. I guess 90-110" and projector is a start for real "involved movie". And, imo, tv will never replace a projector, not because of the size, but because of the dynamics and the method of image transmission: the re-reflected light is a natural picture from life.
I'm a TV guy, but i admit that projectors have three distinct advantages: (1) bigger size that can be adjusted on the fly, (2) easier installation and uninstallation vs a 77+" TV, and (3) audio. With audio, I don't mean speakers from the projector itself. Rather, I mean the ability to place identical LCR Speakers behind the screen so that your front sound stage is seemless and pinpoint accurate with the image, and the center speaker is not compromised at all. (With a TV, you have to place some sort of horizontal MTM array above or below the screen. With a screen, you can use an identical speaker as your L and R speakers and place it dead center behind the screen.)
I have a BenQ projector, and project to 75/100/120 inch screens, depending on how far back we're sitting. I still prefer the versatility and portability of a projector.
Just ordered the 100” Hisense for $2000, gonna be selling my Formovie UST with 120” ALR screen and can’t wait. The UST is great but even in a light controlled living room it’s just washed out compared to a TV. Had a 82” tv so I love the 120” size but I think a 100” tv is a good compromise. Then when the 120” is affordable it’ll be time to switch to that 😁
Dang, you just can't settle. You could make an argument for not getting a UST if you didn't already have one, but the fact that you had one with a 120" ALR screen and got rid of it for a smaller TV is crazy lol
120inch to 100inch is very significant. Don't let the small number deceive you. Rather buy 150inch screen. Until there's an affordable 120-150" TV, Do not do away with ust projector. Also the color and contrast of those cheap tvs are crap. I have a qled and my formovie theater has way better colors, the only down is black levels.....and I don't GF about that, its like level 8 vs level 7. Imagine a cheap TV color 😂
Agree with the 3D prospective. I have seen zero new TVs that support 3D formats. Currently have a 77 inch 2022 OLED Sony (no 3D support) and 8 year old 55 inch Toshiba LCD that has 3D. Once the Toshiba breaks, will have to do projection then.
I have an LG C3 77”. I love big screens, and until now, projectors were the only option. At CES 2024, Hisense showcased a 110” TV priced under $10,000 (not cheap), featuring 10,000 nits brightness and 40,000 dimming zones. TCL also had a 115” screen on display. I believe projectors will retain their place for sizes above 135”, but most people I know with a home theater, often a converted bedroom, have screens under 135”. For such scenarios, super-large TVs would be superior in terms of contrast and HDR.
I have the LG 77” C3 and wow I am very impressed with this tv. For years I had given up on the tv because I could never get a picture I was satisfied with. At the stores they look incredible and when you get them home it’s a big let down… that is of course until I got the LG C3. This tv looks as good at home as it did in the store with all the fancy wiring and incredible 4k - 8k video footage that is available to show off the incredible clarity and colors this TV has to offer. I like yourself prefer both tv and projector. My smaller theater room (12 x 16) I have my tv set up and my larger room (13 x 20) I have my projector set up because I can view the much larger screen.
Its all about viewing distance and space available.. THX basically would say if you are looking at the new 110” TVs.. that means your room will be no larger than 17’ from screen in back row.. thats a pretty big room being at least 18’ deep. At the 10’ viewing distance you would be at 40 degree AOV which is more than THX recommends.
If You have a Dedicated Room for a Home Theater Setup then Projection Screens are the way to go for sure!!! But just a Living Room Space or Small Room I Would go with a Large 4K UHDTV.
"If You have a Dedicated Room for a Home Theater Setup then Projection Screens are the way to go for sure!!!" Why exactly? Who says that a "dedicated room" must have a projector? If I choose a large TV, is it not a "dedicated room", all of a sudden? I just don't get the logic behind this idea. Everyone should choose according to their needs and the size of their room. If you have a small room, "dedicated" or not, and you just can't squeeze in a screen bigger than 120", I would definitely stick with a larger TV. No matter the type of projector, for the same money, an 100" mini-led TV or even a good LCD would be superior in every aspect. Unfortunately, it seems to me that many of the folks with fancy "dedicated rooms" just feel the need to show off their expensive gear and nothing more. A true "videophile", who cares about image quality in the first place, would not sacrifice these advantages just for the sake of a bigger immersion effect. Because that's the only real advantage of a projector and its biggest selling point. Even a very high-end projector, which costs tens of thousands of dollars, doesn't come even close to a 98" OLED screen.
Went from a 120” elite screen aeon cinegrey with an epson 3800 to a mid teir Samsung 86”. I miss the projector setup for size, but a tv is so much better, easy and never need to worry about light
We’re you not very satisfied with the epson 3800? I know the tv will always edge out the projector when it comes to quality 4k picture but that epson though rather inexpensive was a nice projector
I have a 55" LG OLED from 2017 (B6 model I think) and it is only 1/8" thick. My guess is that the real holy grail scenario will be when they can have the TV with OLED quality thin enough to come rolled up and also thin enough to be acoustically transparent - that will solve the two biggest problems with large format TVs: 1) bulky for transport and install, and 2) they block the center channel position.
We have 75” and a 70” TV’s in other rooms in the house, but the theater is a 135” front projector. Nothing beats the shear size of projection as long as you have light control.
My room layout can’t accommodate an 100” tv but, it can accommodate an 100” drop-down screen. I run a combo set up. A 65” Panasonic plasma ZT 60 for typical tv viewing and an Epson 5050ub projector/100” acoustically transparent screen for movies 😁👍
This is great news for living rooms. In India 98" inch TV continues to be expensive. I still think for dedicated home/theaters - projectors will still be ideal because of being easier on eyes in supposedly darker environments. In TV you are directly staring at light source, in projector you are seeing reflection of light - I believe projectors are more healthier in darker settings. I am considering 98" Samsung for my living room during offers season. I already have Epson TW9400 with 150" inch screen in my home theater.
+1 for the Sony 32”, a 70kg beast. Enjoyed it for about 12 years from new before replacing it back in 2011 with a Philips 21:9 58” lcd which is still my main tv. No separate room here so the projector (jvc x7900/rs540) is mounted on the ceiling of my living room projecting onto a 120” ALR motorized screen that drops in front of the Philips. Gorgeous image with the curtains closed and pretty decent blacks inspite of the white walls and ceiling(way darker than the tv can manage😂)
I have a 83inch cinema scope 2.40:1 screen which is pulldown in front of my living room window, my 55 inch tv is on a side wall, and looks massive at the short distance I sit from both. So no a 100 inch is never going to work for anyone unless they have a huge living room or a home theater with a fixed screen but, even then the problem is eye strain, you don't get eye strain from a projected image but you do from all types of panels apart from the old Plasmas which you can no longer buy.
I think it really depends on the size of your room and budget. I have a dedicated theater room but it’s small. 10x10x9 I also had a small budget. I sit about 8ft away from and have an 86” LG tv. It was about a $1000. This worked for me but I think projectors are the way to go big and aren’t going away. Thanks for your content.
My situation is similar to yours. I have a 75 inch in my dedicated theater room. I sit about 6 feet away from it due to me having speakers behind me. With the room being smaller the TV size works just right.
I just got into the projector world, and got a Dangbei Mars Pro 2 (DBOX02) as my first projector paired with some cheap 120" portable projector screen from Amazon and the Vizio 5.1.2 Dolby Atmos Surround Sound system. I do have several 55" tvs, one is even OLED but I think I'm in love with projectors now! One of the many reasons I prefer the projector over the tv is its capability to play 3D content. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I have always loved it since a child and always wanted that same experience at home. One of my 55" tvs does 3D, but it doesn't give me the same experience as on the 120" projector screen. Another major drawback with tvs once they get above 75" is the weight. Some of these 100-115" tvs I'm seeing now weight 100-200lbs!! I still remember what it was like moving a CRT tv around!
One thing important to consider is eye fatigue. OLED tv’s project light outwards at your face so it’s like staring at car headlights. Projected images are way more comfortable on the eyes because you are looking at light projected at a screen rather than projecting outwards at you directly.
Sorry but this makes no sense when you understand how light works. Brightness is brightness. So if the oled is the same brightness as the screen luminance, the eye strain is exactly the same. The origin of the light means nothing at all.
Never thought about that, can’t confirm if that is true or not but it makes sense logically;however, I feel as though there are other factors that come into play with that theory
Actually it could make sense. In photography, if you have a light source aimed directly at you vs reflected light, reflected light is always much softer with soft shadows, regardless of the intensity of the light) while direct light has very harsh shadows.
It’s not the same tv are like torches where the projector is a reflection just like the sun hits a object and you can see the colours and the object in front of you just what I think
Darn it, now they have affordable 100” tvs! I bought the 85U7H last year and love it but would have went bigger. My room doubles a as a hang out/tv room and a projector just wouldn’t work. Can’t see how tvs would ever replace anything bigger than 100-125” or so.
Im not sure about dedicated theater rooms but my wife would never go with for a 100" tv in our living room. But she loves our UST and 120" floor rising ALR screen that blocks out our bay window to watch tv. We go from no tv in the room to masdive screen. I dont hear anyone address that.
The image from a projector is cinematic and different from a tv image. Maybe because of the reflective glass. Tv's are good for all purpose media rooms, but projectors are great for dark rooms. I reserve the projector for special movie viewings.
I currently don't own any television sets, except a couple of computer monitors, but I have 3 Panasonic laser projectors, main room on a 135" inch Silver Ticket grey screen, bedroom on an 80" grey screen, one for outside with a 180" screen (going to get a 200'), and a 75" screen in a back room with an Epson 1080ub projector.
I have a 160-inch cinema scope, and it became time to upgrade the living room tv that was a hd 52 inch. I went for a 65-inch in the end as i didn't want to make it too big and kill the magic of the theatre.
I have a 142” 2.40:1 curved Black Diamond Screen using a JVC 4500 projector. TV’s will have to get a lot larger for me to consider it as my primary source for watching movies.
I have always had a projector in the second room. Always about 120 inch screen. But, it has windows, so mainly used in the evenings. But just bought the Hisense 100 inch tv. Beautiful in all day conditions. But, like you say, brilliantly said, you don’t get that immense feeling. So I will also get a short throw. 130 inches. Which I can use when needed. With an electrical screen. Just in front of the tv. But you are 100% correct in your predictions. Well needed video. Thank you.
I'm currently finishing up my home theater build and this is a huge mental debate I have. I own an LG 83" C2 and it's amazing but the room is pretty large at 21'x21', so you're right the 83" may not be immersive enough. Although, I'm ready for a projector setup with cables and power I just don't know if the juice is worth the squeeze especially for the price. I would want a native 4K projector ($$$) and then there's the price of the screen.
I would just wait a couple years and get a 98 inch oled. You are already used to perfect blacks. You might as well stick with that. You would be making a huge sacrifice in picture quality if you got a projector.
I've had a 100"+ projector setup for 30 years and mostly not in a dedicated theater room. The advantage I continue to see with projectors is that there is no reflection and the off angle viewing for front projectors is fantastic. The problem with the projector is wiring for the projector. I'm considering a 98"+ tv, but I don't like the reflection. The ultra short throw projectors seem to have bad off angle viewing.
Projector: Old JVC RS45 - Screen: - 137" Seymore 16:9 AT. I personally prefer my "cinema experience" with my PJ than any TV I have seen - much more pleasing to my eye. I sit about 11' back and love my level of immersion. - 24' square dedicated room in my basement with 8'-9' ceilings. TVs have their place, but so do PJs. - Cheers!
Good one Mike, Big tvs non sexy too bulky and aside from no center behind screen don't give me old school theater feel. And real cinema starts at 150 inches cinemascope. And I'm not talking about LED walls. We got to stay practical and on a reasonable budget. You can have really great projectors for most people under 2k. And you don't have the TV radiating at you which is also non-cinematic feeling. I've installed a ton of TVs and people's homes and it's all good if you have a regular living room but not for a dedicated theater unless immersion is not important to you or you never experienced it
We’ve got 1 65” LG OLED C6 from 2016 (very expensive) and 1 77” Sony OLED from end of 2022 (half the cost of my LG OLED) . I don’t think TV’s will ever replace projectors for those who demand the original movie theater experience . Home Projectors give me the real deal of movie attendance without the annoying Karens reading their texts during the movie and kicking the back of my chair like adolescents 🙏
I have a 200 inch screen with my 4k ViewSonic projector aaaaand I don't see myself getting a TV as a replacement. Even if it were affordable a 200 inch, getting a TV of that size I'm my home without any issues would be such a hassle.
I have a UST 120in screen in the living room. It’s awesome for movies and gaming. I’m using the HT-A9 for sound and it all works perfectly for me. I have a 77in C9 OLED too but I’ve not used it since early last summer. I’d say I may purchase a 100in OLED tv one day but the price would be a factor along with the features. I’m a moderate gamer and an avid movie watcher, the UST is 4k, 3D and Dolby Vision but no 3D in the OLED.
I've got a 65 CX. I had a 50" before and thought that was biggest i could get away with in my room, then got a 55", now i really feel 65" is the limit. With my room shape, I only have one wall that i could use for a larger tv or projector but would be terrible for room layout. I love my 65"... but i know I'll eventually try squeeze a bigger tv in 😅
Personally, I now have a Hisense PL1 with a 100-inch ALR screen. The fact is that I live in an apartment and I installed my system with a Samsung laser projector 2 years ago. At the time, very large TVs were even more expensive than the price of my installation. Today, I understand the advantages of TVs over UST projectors in terms of color brightness and also, as I play video games, the refresh rate and other options (VRR etc.). In an apartment, you have to lift the weight of the TV with at least 4 people, then mount it on the wall.
Almost bought the new 100" Hisense when it dropped to $2,000 at Best Buy (with installation) a couple days ago. Then I went down to my 100" theater screen: an Epson Home Cinema 2150 and watched an movie filmed with IMAX cameras. I was blown away, it is still a great looking setup. The projector advertised 2,500 lumens - which is about 730 nits. The newest 100" Hisense has not been tested yet, but the 2023 version had similar brightness in HDR mode. Yes it would have 4k and 144hz and likely ALOT better contrast, Dolby Vision, etc. but I don't really think it would change my experience that much. It would be a lot of hassle for questionable return. I have considered the fact that I'm sitting 8' from a 100" screen: definitely looking "at" it -- it's not an IMAX experience. I could go up to about 130" with the ceiling height and room dimensions (more if I put the front speakers behind the screen): this would be a much more impactful change in my opinion. If I didn't already have a projector setup that I was happy with I would absolutely buy the TV, however. But at this very moment it doesn't seem worth it.
I currently have a 40 inch RCA tv. I think htat projectors will have the one up when it comes to being acoustically transparent. Other than that, Large form factor tvs will almost always have better picture quiality and black levels. So, if want that true theater feeling then the projector will always be the way to go. If you want better video quiality then a TV would be better. IMO
Ive been in the projector space for 15 years. Nothing beats the flexibility of a projector . The image size that its capable of producing is only limited by the physical limitations of your personal space. Also the larger the Oled-type TV that you desire, the more you will pay in upfront costs of the purchase and the longterm energy costs. For example, an Average 85in TV uses 350Watts or more of energy. A triple laser 4K lifestyle projector such as the JMGO N1 Ultra or XGIMI Horizon Ultra comparatively only uses 135-140 watts of energy. Heres the important catch....this energy usage does not increase along with your physical projection space allowances. That same 135 watt projector is capable of producing screen diagonals of 60 to 200+ inches. The lasers are rated for 25-30K hours(10 or more years based on 365 days of a minimum of 4hours of viewing per day) so bulb replacement is no longer a decision factor. Your desire to replace the projector technology will arrive before those lasers ever burn out. Projector hands down!
I agree, not anytime soon. However, technology is continuously evolving and improving. Eventually,, due to TV's getting bigger and better, the price of projectors will have to come down for premium models. I see projectors and TV's becoming more competitive in price coming first at some point. Projector manufacturers will have to be more competitive with TV's just to sell products. After that I think TV displays will win out once they get even better, bigger, cheaper and lighter. At that point the projector advantage will be minimized, or eliminated.
Once they make a Sony 100” OLED, I am good. Currently run the Sony XR A95L 77” OLED and Sony XR85X95K min LED. The sound system provides the immersion in my opinion. While video is important, no one gets excited or would attend a demo for video. People will continue to buy projectors as some get projectors and short change the audio components / speakers and subwoofers.
I have a dedicated room and I'm currently using a Dangbei 4k Mars Pro short throw projector with 120 inch screen. With a budget of $2500 would you switch to a Hinsense 100 inch TV ?
Wow! Thats crazy! I have a 110" projector screen because of room size, so im definitely excited about these big tvs. I do think they will replace projectors when they really get the center channel issue nailed down. Not for a long time though.
@@bingdong8571 Well, I was born in the last century, but TV speakers will never be as good as stereo speakers, so I'm going to keep using my Yamaha receiver to pump out 120 watts per channel. Thanks.
I have a 77" Sony A80J OLED in my living room and a 150" 16×9 screen powered by an Epson 6050ub projector in my basement theater. They cost about the same when you factor in the screen and cables. I love my OLED but when it's movie time, I want big so I go downstairs. Until I can get 150" micro led.... I'm sticking projector. Nothing fills a room like a wall to wall screen with no stand. Of course the other downside of a big TV is they are not acoustically transparent so you can't hide your speakers behind them, which means they're taking up space in the room, which is also a problem for me. And TV speakers aren't as good as my towers.
Looking at these TV's specs weight 200lbs? Well transporting them upstairs mounting them on the wall to my theater is a no go 😆 Also the heat they'd put out 😮
I have a Sony 1080p projector (VPL-VW60) with a 92 inch Carada screen. I don't own a large TV, but I believe quality of one would be better than the projector. I believe at some point home theater projectors will be mainly used by those that want screen sizes where large TVs don't exist (e.g., 150 inch). However, my main concern about large TVs is due of their size and weight, it may be a challenge to dispose of one when the time comes to do so. While the large TVs will never be as immersive as a projector, I would sacrifice immersion for the improved picture quality of a large TV.
I had a 36" trinitron , the bought a Mitsubishi HD1000U 720p projector with a 106" screen in 2007. I opened it up last year and took the entire lense apart for a cleaning and it looks great . That old 720p projector has amazing picture quality. Ive been debating if i should buy a 85" TV , but then asked myself why . I bought better sound instead. I live in a 5 floor walk up apt , every piece of furniture in here was a challenge , i can put my projector in a backpack with a lot of room left over . Im able to have 106 inches of screen flush to the wall with no wiring . Projector is also ceiling mounted, its a MAJOR space saver . It actually takes up 0% floor space and is as flush to the wall as a Samsung Frame TV
That Sony Wega Trinitron TV was the go to tv back then. Purchased one when they first came out. Super heavy TV. Had to carry it 4 flights of stairs into my apartment back then. Back is still hurting lol
@chadkirk925 FINALLY...somebody brings that up. Thank you. The obvious is that with an AT screen, LCRs are where they belong. We get away with sound not coming directly from a normal size direct view TV because the screen is so small that we don't notice the disassociation of sound and image. But with a cinema-scale screen size, that disassociation is a huge distraction and detriment to the experience. That's not to mention the terrible acoustic impact that what is essentially a giant piece of glass/window for a screen wall will have in a room. The potential for LCR defraction causing all kinds of acoustic headaches is enormous, not to mention the impact of unwanted direct reflections from surround speakers and Rt60 in general. Just sayin' 😉
I still prefer projection as experience, also big bulk screens are really difficult to manage and setup inside almost any house expecially going beyond 120+ inches
All-trending captions sure….but until the industry / consumers start adopting a solution for the center channel we’re only going to exacerbate the horseshoe panning effect with the LCR as these sets increase in size. For some that’s no big deal but for the percentage of people that appreciate LCR / bed layer on same plane projectors will continue to be their go-to with an AT screen. I will say having played with a few duel-center setups it does a fairly good job and keeps that LCR pan pretty smooth… Either way, the challenge will hopefully bring projectors down in price with higher lumes.
I have a 65” I got when my mom passed but I’m saving to get a 100” this year to enjoy the holiday season on
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Thanks for the video. I am just looking for the right device for my new lining room and the TV vs projector question is on the table. The room is 4 x 5 x 2,5 m (W x D x H) and the couch will be approximately 3 m from the front wall. So 90" - 110" is the max screen size and for this setup, I think a large TV will be a better choice. Also, there is a big (4 x 2 m) window next to the front wall.
When you are considering 100” - 110”, TV’s do make great sense. It’s when you are considering 120” and larger that a projector becomes a more viable solution.
I love my 86" tv in the family room for basic tv and football - go 49ers! But, the theater room is my baby! Family and friends look to be amazed with incredible audio and video on my almost 140" wide screen. Big tv's mean nothing to me for this space - currently.
Right now have a 65" tv in my living room, and 120" projector in theater space. When the 115" drops from TCL, or maybe even the 110" from hisense ill replace the projector. Biggest issue is giong to be getting it down stairs but if that works will be an immediate upgrade imo.
I have a 120" in my dedicated theater (using a JVC NP5), but in my living room I have a Sony 85". I'm for sure looking at replacing the TV in my living room with a larger one now that these are coming down. That said, 100" is a lot smaller than 120", when you tape it out on the wall. And in Youthman's case, 100" is MUCH smaller than 150". Then you also have the issue of what to do with the speakers.
I have a 77 inch lg b2 (got it for right under $1500) and I swear I don’t want any bigger, it’s kinda ridiculous but I love it. A 100 inch would not fit in my set up but I can only imagine the subpar processing/upscaling on a local dimming or no dimming tcl and Hisense sitting close on a 100 inch. With that being said 2000 for a 100 inch tv is crazy and I’m sure most viewers will be awed.
Somebody else said this already but I'm going to add the fact that with projector screens you can make a false wall and have an acoustically transparent screen with all the big speakers hidden behind it. Can't do that with a TV and the bigger your TV the lower your center channel has to be.
I have a 65 inch TV on my wall and I have 106 electric projector screen in a small sitting room. Even though I could get a TV even bigger than my projector screen I wouldn't replace it. You don't get the same feel with a TV than what you do with a projector
My first projector screen was in 2003 and was 110 inches. Now TCL has a 115 incher but that's $20,000. Hisense premiered a 110 incher at CES this month, but no price. So yes, within 3 to 5 years we will have 120 inch TVs under $10,000 and 150 inch TVs a bit more depending on the technology.
Greetings from good old Germany. First of all I love your channel. I had to laugh when you mentioned the good old times. Yes Dolby pro logic on a Pioneer AVR and the same Sony Trinitron TV here in Germany it was 81 cm / 32 inch bet it was the same you had. It was really huge. And I had a Sony vhs recorder (4 head, hi-fi 😂) Yes it was expensive for the time. And heavy 😂. Anyway nowadays I have a 77 inch OLED (Sony ) TV with a Wharfdale (Reva) 5.4.2 system driven by a Pioneer (SC-LX 801)Media Player is a Panasonic UB 9004. I would love to get a dedicated Home cinema but don't have enough space for it. And to your question. I think Displays for huge cinemas you will still use beamer. Up to 150 inch the people might buy TV screens. But bigger? how would you transport or install them? It's a mess with "only" 100 inch right? Maybe when micro LED is ready to go down with the prices it could work for the customer market.
Yeah and then try getting a 100-inch and above tv moved! LOL At least with AWOL coming out with the 120-inch self-rising projector screens it has made having something that size make alot more sense for the money and extremely portable between rooms in a home and for moving. Your UST Projector could be put in your car in a box and your screen all self contained can be easily transported in a moving truck.
I have watched your content due to the similarities you and I share as starting in this hobby back when Dolby prologic started SA surround sound. So yes I have a 86” in my family room and I have like you a 158” curved 2:35:1 which you just can’t get that from a TV today. So when you have a dedicated room you just can’t get the movie experience from a TV that a projector will give you.
Good reasoning and mostly agree. However, you are probably thinking about US houses, which are typically much bigger than the average home in the RoW. For example, here in Europe, it´s not common at all to have a dedicated HT room. Having said that, the logistics of delivering and installing 100´ TVs in European homes (eg apartments) are a nightmare. It will be much easier when, in a decade, modular micro-Led screens become an affordable reality. Also, micro-Led is such a wonderful technology in terms of contrast and brightness that it will completely obliterate proyectors with time, IMHO. But we are many years away from that, probably. Btw, I own a 77´ QD-OLED TV and picture quality is superb (I sit 6.5 feet away), but I totally agree about wanting bigger for better cinematic immersion. Cheers!
Seeing that room with the tiny masking tape box, old klipsch towers and an avr sitting on the floor is hilarious. Especially compared to what you have now. Imagine if your old self could see where you are now.
I worked at a venue with a 120" LS800 on the epson screen. The room also has regular tvs in the room. The TVs are entry level Samsung. The picture on the Samsung blows the UST out the water.
I had a Sony Trinitron too!! I have a 120-inch projector in a dedicated theater room, my wife and I ordered the 100 Hisense U76 that is coming next week. You are welcome to come over and do an unboxing if you want to meet the Best Buy install team next week :)
I have a 77-in Sony however prices are agree are pretty reasonable for a 100-in television. It will put a small dent in the projector segment but not replace. It will get people to talk about having that home. Theater experience in large apartments would be a great choice for some folks but not replacing projectors no time soon
I have a 115 inch projector in a dedicated home theater. 100" TV would be a bit too small for this room, but would be ok for a small theater. I would gladly switch to a 115" lcd TV though.
My plan was a regular size TV and was planning to get a UST. I even got the TV entertainment stand to accommodate a UST. This whole plan changed last year with all the affordable 100 inch tvs. Now I am just going to buy a 100 inch TV.
Re. UST Ultra Short Throw projectors -- they are just not good, don't waste your money. Way too much optical distortion. However, ST or SHORT THROW PROJECTORS are fine, make sure that the TR THROW RATIO is at least 0.5:1, even better would be 0.65:1. and going up to say 1.1:1. Usually PJ lenses that are not zoomable but operate at a fixed focal length, i.e. a "fixed lens," are better optically than zoom lenses. Re. VIDEO WALLS, here in Europe we can get Chinese-made 150-inch micro-LED diagonal video walls for around € 16,000 or a little higher now. Still pricey, but prices on them are coming down monthly.
just got samsung 85" tv, going to add a remote 120" screen with projector for movies. the screen will be behind the tv and the tv will move to the wall as shown in my video. from watching your videos I have marantz cinena 50 with all Klipsch RP speakers.
I have a Samsung 85” tv in living room (no media room) but I do think Projectors would continue to stay for home theater enthusiasts since 100” is still not as big but maybe these 100” tvs will start making their way into living rooms
Great video as always. I have a sim2 4k Projector. Compared to my oled tv there is no comparison. Its because when you watch a TV you are looking at direct light. A projector gives you reflected light instead. It is a much nicer light and the picture looks more natural just like a colour slide projector which is a reference picture to compare. There is something about how the picture looks when it is projected in high quality. In my opinion a tv falls short even if its the same size.😃
Hey Michael I think these XL size tvs are the future. 100 inch to. 115 inch. I can't fit one of them in my space. 75 to 77 inch is big enough for my living room and I'm happy with that. For people with enough room I think they should at least think about getting one of these XL tvs. 😊
I have the LG 65 inch OLED. I have a Christie DWU599-GS used. I cut16:9 300 inch form a older cineplex theater screen. For free so I can put my speaker towers behind the screen. And no I can't see them replacing projectors any time soon. Hello from Canada
@@Youthmanwho care about what is recommended, different people prefer to be in the front row, some in the middle and others in the back! To each their own, this is supposed to be fun after all!
100 inches? That's small in the projector world. Anyway, it's beside the point because films were designed to be viewed in cinemas on screen with projectors. The light is meant to bounce off a screen, just like how we see things in real life - bounced light. It's also more immersive because invariably it's easier to go large and ultimately it is how Directors and Cinematographers intended their films to be seen. If I watch something on my 85 inch TV, my eyes get tired, I just don't enjoy getting blue light shone at a zillion nits directly into my eyeballs, nor do I think that is healthy. A good movie on a projector, you can't beat it in my books.
U make good point. Also thts d SAME reason NO one goes to Movie Theater anymore. Every time I went to movie, i just wish they are Brighter n LESS MUSHY. That visual in 2024 just does Not Spike brain Dopamine enough to Triger the “WANT”. I went to see Top gun, Indiana JOnes, Wanka n Oopenheimer ….all the images are crusty n depressing . I kept thinking this is so much better if on LED TV.
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Lol! I mentioned this last year...I see a lot of Video Walls are becoming affordable as well.... That's why I'm still going with a video or the 115in Hisense...
@michaelslocumbsr.2286 large video walls have issues.
@@Youthman You are right! They're are some due to the refresh rates...Believe me! I've been doing my research! I'm about 9-12 months away from pulling the trigger... Waiting on the the home build first...
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At CES, TCL unveiled a 115" mini-LED with 20k dimming zones and 5k nits, and Hisense unveiled a 110" mini-LED with 40k dimming zones and 10k nits.
My PJ screen is 135" with an NX9, and I have several TVs up to 85". If they hit 120" and it can be mounted on a stand so I can bring it closer, I may have to make the switch.
I gotta wait til they figure out the center channel audio... Til then, I'm AT screen all the way
Even 100" seems small when you have 150" screen.. but for most people, these tvs are too good of deals not to consider the hisense and TCL S5
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I agree Brandon. You've been reviewing all of the massive TV's! Blessings to you and Jen.
Bought my first ever projector in December'2023: an Epson LS650. No dedicated screen, it is bright enough. Changed from a 65" TV to a ~100" giant picture. I LOVE how the room looks now without the black square (=TV) and of course the immersion, wow.
I think the two products will remain on the market and neither will be a one-choice-fits-all, since both offer different advantages over the other. For me personally: ease of move between apartments, no need to drill holes in the wall to mount, no big freakin' black square in the middle of the room, also no reflections off the screen.
And if you don't have a screen there's nothing to break. These giant screens are extremely delicate and the slightest damage means they're garbage.
I have a 150” diagonal screen. It’s the most durable fabric I have seen on the market. We were using a butter knife during the install to push it into the groove and securing it with spline. We never damaged it once.
I have a 65” SONY A1E OLED in the living room and a projector in the dedicated movie room.
9/10 the family prefers the movie room even though the image is “inferior” but because:
1. The immersive experience (even at a humble 110”)
2. Reflected light is easier on the eyes than emitted light which tends to have an artificial feel. We talk about listening fatigue with speakers but your eyes can also get visual fatigue from looking at a screen.
FYI Michael: Your positive attitude and approach to this hobby is much appreciated!
Hi, I have a 65" Sony A90J OLED TV in my home theater room. In another room I have a Sony A9G OLED TV in a 77". They both are great TV's, and I like them all the same. As far as projectors are concern, projectors give the viewer the real home theater experience.
Wow! In Australia a 100" TV is still around 6k. There's a place for both but a projector is definitely softer on the eyes for movies. Sporting events better on TV. I have always hated the term "media room" as it sounds like working from home. Theatre room is much more relaxing 😌. Anyways it's great that screens are getting bigger and better!
I've found that to be true about projectors as well
this is a point I rarely see come up. I believe the days of projectors are numbered, but I'll always personally prefer them due to the non reflection and no fatigue on the eyes. I've always actually found TVs to feel a big cheap with their glossy screen.
@@ke5943 that's also for me a reason to get a projector. I've a 'big' TV (for Europe) at 70" but having been in meetings on huge TV's, I found it tiring on the eyes compared to a projector. Also those (expensive) big TV's had some dimmer areas at the edges. Colours are fantastic off course, unbeatable, but a projector I can look at for hours without issues, with the TV I needed to look away frequently to have my eyes reset. It's like looking into a light bulb.
Exactly 💯
When they make acoustic transparent 2.35:1/16x9 120-150” tv’s then it might, but for now it won’t replace projectors.
Exactly
Closest is the 83” Sony oled with acoustic surface.
@@AffinityPhoto true but the speaker quality is poopoo on those. Just functional to say the least. But it’s a cool feature for the avg consumer.
Have screen manufacturers developed ATS fot UST projectors? I guess it is the way to go for UST projectors to remain competitive versus big screen tvs.
TV is the way to go. Projectors are a dying breed.
I never owned a projector before until 2024. I decided to buy an ( ultra short throw projector) by Epson . It was on sale for $1300 and uses lasers to project an image of 120 inches “ 10 feet 😬. No need to worry about having a 25 foot room anymore, it sits less than two feet from the wall. In a controlled light environment the picture is amazing even without a projector screen. It’s estimated to last for 20,000- 30,000 hours… way beyond that of a large tv. If you want a theater experience this option is incredible in areas of the house that would have been impossible before.
Which model did U get?
That's one thing nobody ever mentions about large format TVs is the weight. If they ever get up to 120 in that's a 10ft wide console you'll need to hold up a TV that's going to be probably 300 lbs. Or a mount that can hold it across four studs.
It’s still a lot better than what you have to do with micro LED. There’s a ton of bracing and support needed for a micro LED TV
EPSON LS800 is 3500$
Love hearing your perspective on this. I agree that for larger screen experience a projector is still the better option.
Can’t wait to see what the landscape will be like when modular microLED display become affordable. Hopefully you’ll be making a video about it sooner than later! 😆
Villaman, what you doing here😂.
Tvs is your department my bro. It should be you doing this.
I’m definitely not the “TV man”. The VillaMan is much more knowledgable than I on that subject. One day we need to get you to MWAVE.
I have a 150" 16:9 Elite screen for my NZ8 and I just purchased the Hisense 100U76N for $2k to go downstairs in my living room. I also have an LG OLED 83C1 for my gaming room.
I love my projector due to its motorized lens and being able to customize the custom aspect ratio, but the Hisense will be a daily driver. At $2k it was a good purchase.
If you rant something truly immersion I recommend the Rokid Max glasses. 120" Oled image. I take them to work daily with my ROG Ally and it simply can't be beat.
he is right! 55" is just a screen, screen for tv shows. I guess 90-110" and projector is a start for real "involved movie". And, imo, tv will never replace a projector, not because of the size, but because of the dynamics and the method of image transmission: the re-reflected light is a natural picture from life.
I'm a TV guy, but i admit that projectors have three distinct advantages: (1) bigger size that can be adjusted on the fly, (2) easier installation and uninstallation vs a 77+" TV, and (3) audio. With audio, I don't mean speakers from the projector itself. Rather, I mean the ability to place identical LCR Speakers behind the screen so that your front sound stage is seemless and pinpoint accurate with the image, and the center speaker is not compromised at all. (With a TV, you have to place some sort of horizontal MTM array above or below the screen. With a screen, you can use an identical speaker as your L and R speakers and place it dead center behind the screen.)
I have a BenQ projector, and project to 75/100/120 inch screens, depending on how far back we're sitting. I still prefer the versatility and portability of a projector.
Just ordered the 100” Hisense for $2000, gonna be selling my Formovie UST with 120” ALR screen and can’t wait. The UST is great but even in a light controlled living room it’s just washed out compared to a TV. Had a 82” tv so I love the 120” size but I think a 100” tv is a good compromise. Then when the 120” is affordable it’ll be time to switch to that 😁
I'm thinking about ordering the same 100” Hisense TV! On the fence between that and TCL 98 for same price. Pls let me know what the Hisense is like.
any regrets going from 120" to 100" ?
Dang, you just can't settle. You could make an argument for not getting a UST if you didn't already have one, but the fact that you had one with a 120" ALR screen and got rid of it for a smaller TV is crazy lol
120inch to 100inch is very significant. Don't let the small number deceive you. Rather buy 150inch screen. Until there's an affordable 120-150" TV, Do not do away with ust projector. Also the color and contrast of those cheap tvs are crap. I have a qled and my formovie theater has way better colors, the only down is black levels.....and I don't GF about that, its like level 8 vs level 7. Imagine a cheap TV color 😂
Where did you order from?
70 in ch in the LR and a projector 150 screen in my mancave I love 3D so I'll stick to my projector regardless
Agree with the 3D prospective. I have seen zero new TVs that support 3D formats. Currently have a 77 inch 2022 OLED Sony (no 3D support) and 8 year old 55 inch Toshiba LCD that has 3D. Once the Toshiba breaks, will have to do projection then.
I have an LG C3 77”. I love big screens, and until now, projectors were the only option. At CES 2024, Hisense showcased a 110” TV priced under $10,000 (not cheap), featuring 10,000 nits brightness and 40,000 dimming zones. TCL also had a 115” screen on display. I believe projectors will retain their place for sizes above 135”, but most people I know with a home theater, often a converted bedroom, have screens under 135”. For such scenarios, super-large TVs would be superior in terms of contrast and HDR.
Absolutely agree.
I have the LG 77” C3 and wow I am very impressed with this tv. For years I had given up on the tv because I could never get a picture I was satisfied with. At the stores they look incredible and when you get them home it’s a big let down… that is of course until
I got the LG C3. This tv looks as good at home as it did in the store with all the fancy wiring and incredible 4k - 8k video footage that is available to show off the incredible clarity and colors this TV has to offer. I like yourself prefer both tv and projector. My smaller theater room (12 x 16) I have my tv set up and my larger room (13 x 20) I have my projector set up because I can view the much larger screen.
Its all about viewing distance and space available.. THX basically would say if you are looking at the new 110” TVs.. that means your room will be no larger than 17’ from screen in back row.. thats a pretty big room being at least 18’ deep. At the 10’ viewing distance you would be at 40 degree AOV which is more than THX recommends.
@jbwise2002 keep in mind the THX standards are old and outdated. The new RP22 standards, recommend a much wider viewing angle.
If You have a Dedicated Room for a Home Theater Setup then Projection Screens are the way to go for sure!!! But just a Living Room Space or Small Room I Would go with a Large 4K UHDTV.
"If You have a Dedicated Room for a Home Theater Setup then Projection Screens are the way to go for sure!!!" Why exactly? Who says that a "dedicated room" must have a projector? If I choose a large TV, is it not a "dedicated room", all of a sudden? I just don't get the logic behind this idea. Everyone should choose according to their needs and the size of their room. If you have a small room, "dedicated" or not, and you just can't squeeze in a screen bigger than 120", I would definitely stick with a larger TV. No matter the type of projector, for the same money, an 100" mini-led TV or even a good LCD would be superior in every aspect. Unfortunately, it seems to me that many of the folks with fancy "dedicated rooms" just feel the need to show off their expensive gear and nothing more. A true "videophile", who cares about image quality in the first place, would not sacrifice these advantages just for the sake of a bigger immersion effect. Because that's the only real advantage of a projector and its biggest selling point. Even a very high-end projector, which costs tens of thousands of dollars, doesn't come even close to a 98" OLED screen.
Went from a 120” elite screen aeon cinegrey with an epson 3800 to a mid teir Samsung 86”. I miss the projector setup for size, but a tv is so much better, easy and never need to worry about light
We’re you not very satisfied with the epson 3800? I know the tv will always edge out the projector when it comes to quality 4k picture but that epson though rather inexpensive was a nice projector
I have a 55" LG OLED from 2017 (B6 model I think) and it is only 1/8" thick. My guess is that the real holy grail scenario will be when they can have the TV with OLED quality thin enough to come rolled up and also thin enough to be acoustically transparent - that will solve the two biggest problems with large format TVs: 1) bulky for transport and install, and 2) they block the center channel position.
I agree. I have an 86 inch TV for daytime viewing, but 135” drop down ceiling screen for my Epson 4k projector for true immersive viewing.
We have 75” and a 70” TV’s in other rooms in the house, but the theater is a 135” front projector.
Nothing beats the shear size of projection as long as you have light control.
My room layout can’t accommodate an 100” tv but, it can accommodate an 100” drop-down screen. I run a combo set up. A 65” Panasonic plasma ZT 60 for typical tv viewing and an Epson 5050ub projector/100” acoustically transparent screen for movies 😁👍
This is great news for living rooms. In India 98" inch TV continues to be expensive. I still think for dedicated home/theaters - projectors will still be ideal because of being easier on eyes in supposedly darker environments. In TV you are directly staring at light source, in projector you are seeing reflection of light - I believe projectors are more healthier in darker settings. I am considering 98" Samsung for my living room during offers season. I already have Epson TW9400 with 150" inch screen in my home theater.
+1 for the Sony 32”, a 70kg beast. Enjoyed it for about 12 years from new before replacing it back in 2011 with a Philips 21:9 58” lcd which is still my main tv.
No separate room here so the projector (jvc x7900/rs540) is mounted on the ceiling of my living room projecting onto a 120” ALR motorized screen that drops in front of the Philips.
Gorgeous image with the curtains closed and pretty decent blacks inspite of the white walls and ceiling(way darker than the tv can manage😂)
I have a 83inch cinema scope 2.40:1 screen which is pulldown in front of my living room window, my 55 inch tv is on a side wall, and looks massive at the short distance I sit from both.
So no a 100 inch is never going to work for anyone unless they have a huge living room or a home theater with a fixed screen but, even then the problem is eye strain, you don't get eye strain from a projected image but you do from all types of panels apart from the old Plasmas which you can no longer buy.
I think it really depends on the size of your room and budget. I have a dedicated theater room but it’s small. 10x10x9 I also had a small budget. I sit about 8ft away from and have an 86” LG tv. It was about a $1000. This worked for me but I think projectors are the way to go big and aren’t going away. Thanks for your content.
My situation is similar to yours. I have a 75 inch in my dedicated theater room. I sit about 6 feet away from it due to me having speakers behind me. With the room being smaller the TV size works just right.
I just got into the projector world, and got a Dangbei Mars Pro 2 (DBOX02) as my first projector paired with some cheap 120" portable projector screen from Amazon and the Vizio 5.1.2 Dolby Atmos Surround Sound system. I do have several 55" tvs, one is even OLED but I think I'm in love with projectors now! One of the many reasons I prefer the projector over the tv is its capability to play 3D content. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I have always loved it since a child and always wanted that same experience at home. One of my 55" tvs does 3D, but it doesn't give me the same experience as on the 120" projector screen. Another major drawback with tvs once they get above 75" is the weight. Some of these 100-115" tvs I'm seeing now weight 100-200lbs!! I still remember what it was like moving a CRT tv around!
I hope it causes projectors to come down in price significantly and not make them obsolete
Projectors won't be obsolete until they make acoustically transparent TV's
@@ChadAV69 I agree 100%, but the number of people who actually care about that is so small it'll never hold up projector sales alone.
But but what about q symphony lol
One thing important to consider is eye fatigue. OLED tv’s project light outwards at your face so it’s like staring at car headlights. Projected images are way more comfortable on the eyes because you are looking at light projected at a screen rather than projecting outwards at you directly.
never heard or thought of that but it makes sense. I might have to look into that. Of course for a 2 hour movie it's prob not that big of a deal.
Sorry but this makes no sense when you understand how light works. Brightness is brightness. So if the oled is the same brightness as the screen luminance, the eye strain is exactly the same. The origin of the light means nothing at all.
Never thought about that, can’t confirm if that is true or not but it makes sense logically;however, I feel as though there are other factors that come into play with that theory
Actually it could make sense. In photography, if you have a light source aimed directly at you vs reflected light, reflected light is always much softer with soft shadows, regardless of the intensity of the light) while direct light has very harsh shadows.
It’s not the same tv are like torches where the projector is a reflection just like the sun hits a object and you can see the colours and the object in front of you just what I think
Darn it, now they have affordable 100” tvs! I bought the 85U7H last year and love it but would have went bigger. My room doubles a as a hang out/tv room and a projector just wouldn’t work. Can’t see how tvs would ever replace anything bigger than 100-125” or so.
Im not sure about dedicated theater rooms but my wife would never go with for a 100" tv in our living room. But she loves our UST and 120" floor rising ALR screen that blocks out our bay window to watch tv. We go from no tv in the room to masdive screen. I dont hear anyone address that.
The image from a projector is cinematic and different from a tv image. Maybe because of the reflective glass. Tv's are good for all purpose media rooms, but projectors are great for dark rooms. I reserve the projector for special movie viewings.
I currently don't own any television sets, except a couple of computer monitors, but I have 3 Panasonic laser projectors, main room on a 135" inch Silver Ticket grey screen, bedroom on an 80" grey screen, one for outside with a 180" screen (going to get a 200'), and a 75" screen in a back room with an Epson 1080ub projector.
I have a 160-inch cinema scope, and it became time to upgrade the living room tv that was a hd 52 inch. I went for a 65-inch in the end as i didn't want to make it too big and kill the magic of the theatre.
I have a 142” 2.40:1 curved Black Diamond Screen using a JVC 4500 projector. TV’s will have to get a lot larger for me to consider it as my primary source for watching movies.
I currently got an 85-inch and is GREAT. If u have a theater room, sure, use a projector. But for under $2500, I'm keeping my big(ish) tv
I was waiting for someone to cover the U76. I ordered from Best Buy in case it’s just a sale. Will be delivered when I get home in April
I have always had a projector in the second room. Always about 120 inch screen. But, it has windows, so mainly used in the evenings. But just bought the Hisense 100 inch tv. Beautiful in all day conditions. But, like you say, brilliantly said, you don’t get that immense feeling. So I will also get a short throw. 130 inches. Which I can use when needed. With an electrical screen. Just in front of the tv. But you are 100% correct in your predictions. Well needed video. Thank you.
I'm currently finishing up my home theater build and this is a huge mental debate I have. I own an LG 83" C2 and it's amazing but the room is pretty large at 21'x21', so you're right the 83" may not be immersive enough. Although, I'm ready for a projector setup with cables and power I just don't know if the juice is worth the squeeze especially for the price. I would want a native 4K projector ($$$) and then there's the price of the screen.
I would just wait a couple years and get a 98 inch oled. You are already used to perfect blacks. You might as well stick with that. You would be making a huge sacrifice in picture quality if you got a projector.
I've had a 100"+ projector setup for 30 years and mostly not in a dedicated theater room. The advantage I continue to see with projectors is that there is no reflection and the off angle viewing for front projectors is fantastic. The problem with the projector is wiring for the projector. I'm considering a 98"+ tv, but I don't like the reflection. The ultra short throw projectors seem to have bad off angle viewing.
Projector: Old JVC RS45 - Screen: - 137" Seymore 16:9 AT.
I personally prefer my "cinema experience" with my PJ than any TV I have seen - much more pleasing to my eye.
I sit about 11' back and love my level of immersion. - 24' square dedicated room in my basement with 8'-9' ceilings.
TVs have their place, but so do PJs. - Cheers!
Good one Mike, Big tvs non sexy too bulky and aside from no center behind screen don't give me old school theater feel. And real cinema starts at 150 inches cinemascope. And I'm not talking about LED walls. We got to stay practical and on a reasonable budget. You can have really great projectors for most people under 2k. And you don't have the TV radiating at you which is also non-cinematic feeling. I've installed a ton of TVs and people's homes and it's all good if you have a regular living room but not for a dedicated theater unless immersion is not important to you or you never experienced it
I will never give up on projectors
I enjoy the old fashioned way for me
I love the sound coming from the screen for me.😀
We’ve got 1 65” LG OLED C6 from 2016 (very expensive) and 1 77” Sony OLED from end of 2022 (half the cost of my LG OLED) . I don’t think TV’s will ever replace projectors for those who demand the original movie theater experience . Home Projectors give me the real deal of movie attendance without the annoying Karens reading their texts during the movie and kicking the back of my chair like adolescents 🙏
I have a 200 inch screen with my 4k ViewSonic projector aaaaand I don't see myself getting a TV as a replacement. Even if it were affordable a 200 inch, getting a TV of that size I'm my home without any issues would be such a hassle.
I have a UST 120in screen in the living room. It’s awesome for movies and gaming. I’m using the HT-A9 for sound and it all works perfectly for me. I have a 77in C9 OLED too but I’ve not used it since early last summer. I’d say I may purchase a 100in OLED tv one day but the price would be a factor along with the features. I’m a moderate gamer and an avid movie watcher, the UST is 4k, 3D and Dolby Vision but no 3D in the OLED.
I've got a 65 CX. I had a 50" before and thought that was biggest i could get away with in my room, then got a 55", now i really feel 65" is the limit. With my room shape, I only have one wall that i could use for a larger tv or projector but would be terrible for room layout. I love my 65"... but i know I'll eventually try squeeze a bigger tv in 😅
Personally, I now have a Hisense PL1 with a 100-inch ALR screen. The fact is that I live in an apartment and I installed my system with a Samsung laser projector 2 years ago. At the time, very large TVs were even more expensive than the price of my installation. Today, I understand the advantages of TVs over UST projectors in terms of color brightness and also, as I play video games, the refresh rate and other options (VRR etc.). In an apartment, you have to lift the weight of the TV with at least 4 people, then mount it on the wall.
Great points.
Immerse experience with
TV: Hisense - 100" Class QD7 Series QLED 4K UHD Google TV (2024) : $2,000
Option 2: Formovie THEATER Ultra Short Throw 4K Laser Projector ($2700) + Formovie 100'' Fresnel Ultra-thin ALR Wall Mounted Screen ($1000)= $3700
Does option 2 give immersive experience?
Almost bought the new 100" Hisense when it dropped to $2,000 at Best Buy (with installation) a couple days ago.
Then I went down to my 100" theater screen: an Epson Home Cinema 2150 and watched an movie filmed with IMAX cameras. I was blown away, it is still a great looking setup. The projector advertised 2,500 lumens - which is about 730 nits. The newest 100" Hisense has not been tested yet, but the 2023 version had similar brightness in HDR mode.
Yes it would have 4k and 144hz and likely ALOT better contrast, Dolby Vision, etc. but I don't really think it would change my experience that much. It would be a lot of hassle for questionable return.
I have considered the fact that I'm sitting 8' from a 100" screen: definitely looking "at" it -- it's not an IMAX experience. I could go up to about 130" with the ceiling height and room dimensions (more if I put the front speakers behind the screen): this would be a much more impactful change in my opinion.
If I didn't already have a projector setup that I was happy with I would absolutely buy the TV, however. But at this very moment it doesn't seem worth it.
I currently have a 40 inch RCA tv. I think htat projectors will have the one up when it comes to being acoustically transparent. Other than that, Large form factor tvs will almost always have better picture quiality and black levels. So, if want that true theater feeling then the projector will always be the way to go. If you want better video quiality then a TV would be better. IMO
I know I need to Upgrade my TV
Yup, especially when you mention “better video quality” 😉
Ive been in the projector space for 15 years. Nothing beats the flexibility of a projector . The image size that its capable of producing is only limited by the physical limitations of your personal space. Also the larger the Oled-type TV that you desire, the more you will pay in upfront costs of the purchase and the longterm energy costs. For example, an Average 85in TV uses 350Watts or more of energy. A triple laser 4K lifestyle projector such as the JMGO N1 Ultra or XGIMI Horizon Ultra comparatively only uses 135-140 watts of energy. Heres the important catch....this energy usage does not increase along with your physical projection space allowances. That same 135 watt projector is capable of producing screen diagonals of 60 to 200+ inches. The lasers are rated for 25-30K hours(10 or more years based on 365 days of a minimum of 4hours of viewing per day) so bulb replacement is no longer a decision factor. Your desire to replace the projector technology will arrive before those lasers ever burn out. Projector hands down!
I agree, not anytime soon. However, technology is continuously evolving and improving. Eventually,, due to TV's getting bigger and better, the price of projectors will have to come down for premium models. I see projectors and TV's becoming more competitive in price coming first at some point. Projector manufacturers will have to be more competitive with TV's just to sell products. After that I think TV displays will win out once they get even better, bigger, cheaper and lighter. At that point the projector advantage will be minimized, or eliminated.
Once they make a Sony 100” OLED, I am good. Currently run the Sony XR A95L 77” OLED and Sony XR85X95K min LED. The sound system provides the immersion in my opinion. While video is important, no one gets excited or would attend a demo for video. People will continue to buy projectors as some get projectors and short change the audio components / speakers and subwoofers.
I have a dedicated room and I'm currently using a Dangbei 4k Mars Pro short throw projector with 120 inch screen. With a budget of $2500 would you switch to a Hinsense 100 inch TV ?
Just own a 86 inch LG TV which my panasonic plasma start got line appear. great detail and colour even it is LED from LG brand
Wow! Thats crazy! I have a 110" projector screen because of room size, so im definitely excited about these big tvs. I do think they will replace projectors when they really get the center channel issue nailed down. Not for a long time though.
What do you mean about the center channel? What problem ? You stereo pumps out the centre channel.
@truhunk1 and Quadra phonic too. What century r u from?
@@bingdong8571 Well, I was born in the last century, but TV speakers will never be as good as stereo speakers, so I'm going to keep using my Yamaha receiver to pump out 120 watts per channel. Thanks.
Had 120" Epson 5050ub, I believe, and replaces with Hisense 100" 8u. Won't go back to projector ever. So bright , beats it in every way, except size
I have a 77" Sony A80J OLED in my living room and a 150" 16×9 screen powered by an Epson 6050ub projector in my basement theater. They cost about the same when you factor in the screen and cables. I love my OLED but when it's movie time, I want big so I go downstairs. Until I can get 150" micro led.... I'm sticking projector. Nothing fills a room like a wall to wall screen with no stand. Of course the other downside of a big TV is they are not acoustically transparent so you can't hide your speakers behind them, which means they're taking up space in the room, which is also a problem for me. And TV speakers aren't as good as my towers.
Looking at these TV's specs weight 200lbs? Well transporting them upstairs mounting them on the wall to my theater is a no go 😆 Also the heat they'd put out 😮
I have a 86 inch LGQND television and I love it
I have a Sony 1080p projector (VPL-VW60) with a 92 inch Carada screen. I don't own a large TV, but I believe quality of one would be better than the projector. I believe at some point home theater projectors will be mainly used by those that want screen sizes where large TVs don't exist (e.g., 150 inch). However, my main concern about large TVs is due of their size and weight, it may be a challenge to dispose of one when the time comes to do so. While the large TVs will never be as immersive as a projector, I would sacrifice immersion for the improved picture quality of a large TV.
I had a 36" trinitron , the bought a Mitsubishi HD1000U 720p projector with a 106" screen in 2007. I opened it up last year and took the entire lense apart for a cleaning and it looks great . That old 720p projector has amazing picture quality.
Ive been debating if i should buy a 85" TV , but then asked myself why . I bought better sound instead.
I live in a 5 floor walk up apt , every piece of furniture in here was a challenge , i can put my projector in a backpack with a lot of room left over . Im able to have 106 inches of screen flush to the wall with no wiring . Projector is also ceiling mounted, its a MAJOR space saver . It actually takes up 0% floor space and is as flush to the wall as a Samsung Frame TV
I have a Screen Innovations 120" 16:9 and Sony VPL-VW285ES projector. My living has an older Vizio 52" E series.
That Sony Wega Trinitron TV was the go to tv back then. Purchased one when they first came out. Super heavy TV. Had to carry it 4 flights of stairs into my apartment back then. Back is still hurting lol
@chadkirk925 FINALLY...somebody brings that up. Thank you. The obvious is that with an AT screen, LCRs are where they belong. We get away with sound not coming directly from a normal size direct view TV because the screen is so small that we don't notice the disassociation of sound and image. But with a cinema-scale screen size, that disassociation is a huge distraction and detriment to the experience. That's not to mention the terrible acoustic impact that what is essentially a giant piece of glass/window for a screen wall will have in a room. The potential for LCR defraction causing all kinds of acoustic headaches is enormous, not to mention the impact of unwanted direct reflections from surround speakers and Rt60 in general. Just sayin' 😉
I still use the TV speakers on my 19-in black and white. It's only got one speaker, but it's still sounds good.
I still prefer projection as experience, also big bulk screens are really difficult to manage and setup inside almost any house expecially going beyond 120+ inches
All-trending captions sure….but until the industry / consumers start adopting a solution for the center channel we’re only going to exacerbate the horseshoe panning effect with the LCR as these sets increase in size. For some that’s no big deal but for the percentage of people that appreciate LCR / bed layer on same plane projectors will continue to be their go-to with an AT screen.
I will say having played with a few duel-center setups it does a fairly good job and keeps that LCR pan pretty smooth…
Either way, the challenge will hopefully bring projectors down in price with higher lumes.
I agree, 100%
I have a 65” I got when my mom passed but I’m saving to get a 100” this year to enjoy the holiday season on
Thanks for the video. I am just looking for the right device for my new lining room and the TV vs projector question is on the table. The room is 4 x 5 x 2,5 m (W x D x H) and the couch will be approximately 3 m from the front wall. So 90" - 110" is the max screen size and for this setup, I think a large TV will be a better choice. Also, there is a big (4 x 2 m) window next to the front wall.
When you are considering 100” - 110”, TV’s do make great sense. It’s when you are considering 120” and larger that a projector becomes a more viable solution.
I have heard great things from one of my patrons that bought the 100” Hisense. He loves it!
I love my 86" tv in the family room for basic tv and football - go 49ers!
But, the theater room is my baby! Family and friends look to be amazed with incredible audio and video on my almost 140" wide screen.
Big tv's mean nothing to me for this space - currently.
Still running my 65" Mitsubishi DLP in my family room and a projector with 135" screen in my dedicated theater room.
Right now have a 65" tv in my living room, and 120" projector in theater space. When the 115" drops from TCL, or maybe even the 110" from hisense ill replace the projector. Biggest issue is giong to be getting it down stairs but if that works will be an immediate upgrade imo.
I have a 120" in my dedicated theater (using a JVC NP5), but in my living room I have a Sony 85". I'm for sure looking at replacing the TV in my living room with a larger one now that these are coming down. That said, 100" is a lot smaller than 120", when you tape it out on the wall. And in Youthman's case, 100" is MUCH smaller than 150". Then you also have the issue of what to do with the speakers.
I have a 77 inch lg b2 (got it for right under $1500) and I swear I don’t want any bigger, it’s kinda ridiculous but I love it. A 100 inch would not fit in my set up but I can only imagine the subpar processing/upscaling on a local dimming or no dimming tcl and Hisense sitting close on a 100 inch. With that being said 2000 for a 100 inch tv is crazy and I’m sure most viewers will be awed.
Quality image>huge crappy
Somebody else said this already but I'm going to add the fact that with projector screens you can make a false wall and have an acoustically transparent screen with all the big speakers hidden behind it. Can't do that with a TV and the bigger your TV the lower your center channel has to be.
I have a 65 inch TV on my wall and I have 106 electric projector screen in a small sitting room. Even though I could get a TV even bigger than my projector screen I wouldn't replace it. You don't get the same feel with a TV than what you do with a projector
My first projector screen was in 2003 and was 110 inches. Now TCL has a 115 incher but that's $20,000. Hisense premiered a 110 incher at CES this month, but no price. So yes, within 3 to 5 years we will have 120 inch TVs under $10,000 and 150 inch TVs a bit more depending on the technology.
Greetings from good old Germany. First of all I love your channel. I had to laugh when you mentioned the good old times. Yes Dolby pro logic on a Pioneer AVR and the same Sony Trinitron TV here in Germany it was 81 cm / 32 inch bet it was the same you had. It was really huge. And I had a Sony vhs recorder (4 head, hi-fi 😂) Yes it was expensive for the time. And heavy 😂. Anyway nowadays I have a 77 inch OLED (Sony ) TV with a Wharfdale (Reva) 5.4.2 system driven by a Pioneer (SC-LX 801)Media Player is a Panasonic UB 9004. I would love to get a dedicated Home cinema but don't have enough space for it. And to your question. I think Displays for huge cinemas you will still use beamer. Up to 150 inch the people might buy TV screens. But bigger? how would you transport or install them? It's a mess with "only" 100 inch right? Maybe when micro LED is ready to go down with the prices it could work for the customer market.
I have a 77" Sony OLED in my main family room. Haven't decided what to put in my Den upstairs. I'm planning to turn it into a media room
Yeah and then try getting a 100-inch and above tv moved! LOL At least with AWOL coming out with the 120-inch self-rising projector screens it has made having something that size make alot more sense for the money and extremely portable between rooms in a home and for moving. Your UST Projector could be put in your car in a box and your screen all self contained can be easily transported in a moving truck.
I have watched your content due to the similarities you and I share as starting in this hobby back when Dolby prologic started SA surround sound. So yes I have a 86” in my family room and I have like you a 158” curved 2:35:1 which you just can’t get that from a TV today. So when you have a dedicated room you just can’t get the movie experience from a TV that a projector will give you.
Good reasoning and mostly agree. However, you are probably thinking about US houses, which are typically much bigger than the average home in the RoW. For example, here in Europe, it´s not common at all to have a dedicated HT room. Having said that, the logistics of delivering and installing 100´ TVs in European homes (eg apartments) are a nightmare. It will be much easier when, in a decade, modular micro-Led screens become an affordable reality. Also, micro-Led is such a wonderful technology in terms of contrast and brightness that it will completely obliterate proyectors with time, IMHO. But we are many years away from that, probably. Btw, I own a 77´ QD-OLED TV and picture quality is superb (I sit 6.5 feet away), but I totally agree about wanting bigger for better cinematic immersion. Cheers!
Seeing that room with the tiny masking tape box, old klipsch towers and an avr sitting on the floor is hilarious. Especially compared to what you have now. Imagine if your old self could see where you are now.
I worked at a venue with a 120" LS800 on the epson screen. The room also has regular tvs in the room. The TVs are entry level Samsung. The picture on the Samsung blows the UST out the water.
I had a Sony Trinitron too!! I have a 120-inch projector in a dedicated theater room, my wife and I ordered the 100 Hisense U76 that is coming next week. You are welcome to come over and do an unboxing if you want to meet the Best Buy install team next week :)
Wow u got that one? I wonder what it will look like . I heard they are sold out too.
I have a 2-year old 85" 91J Sony TV & and I am thinking of getting this Hisense U7N 100-incher.
A case of size over quality. Thoughts?
I have a 77-in Sony however prices are agree are pretty reasonable for a 100-in television. It will put a small dent in the projector segment but not replace. It will get people to talk about having that home. Theater experience in large apartments would be a great choice for some folks but not replacing projectors no time soon
Purchased a 100” Hisense U8K and love the size.
Nice!
I have a 115 inch projector in a dedicated home theater. 100" TV would be a bit too small for this room, but would be ok for a small theater. I would gladly switch to a 115" lcd TV though.
My plan was a regular size TV and was planning to get a UST. I even got the TV entertainment stand to accommodate a UST. This whole plan changed last year with all the affordable 100 inch tvs. Now I am just going to buy a 100 inch TV.
Re. UST Ultra Short Throw projectors -- they are just not good, don't waste your money. Way too much optical distortion. However, ST or SHORT THROW PROJECTORS are fine, make sure that the TR THROW RATIO is at least 0.5:1, even better would be 0.65:1. and going up to say 1.1:1. Usually PJ lenses that are not zoomable but operate at a fixed focal length, i.e. a "fixed lens," are better optically than zoom lenses. Re. VIDEO WALLS, here in Europe we can get Chinese-made 150-inch micro-LED diagonal video walls for around € 16,000 or a little higher now. Still pricey, but prices on them are coming down monthly.
just got samsung 85" tv, going to add a remote 120" screen with projector for movies. the screen will be behind the tv and the tv will move to the wall as shown in my video. from watching your videos I have marantz cinena 50 with all Klipsch RP speakers.
I'm poor, 50" Samsung lol. Looking to go in the 75" range when money permits (single dad life).
I have a Samsung 85” tv in living room (no media room) but I do think Projectors would continue to stay for home theater enthusiasts since 100” is still not as big but maybe these 100” tvs will start making their way into living rooms
Great video as always.
I have a sim2 4k Projector. Compared to my oled tv there is no comparison. Its because when you watch a TV you are looking at direct light. A projector gives you reflected light instead. It is a much nicer light and the picture looks more natural just like a colour slide projector which is a reference picture to compare. There is something about how the picture looks when it is projected in high quality. In my opinion a tv falls short even if its the same size.😃
Hey Michael I think these XL size tvs are the future. 100 inch to. 115 inch. I can't fit one of them in my space. 75 to 77 inch is big enough for my living room and I'm happy with that. For people with enough room I think they should at least think about getting one of these XL tvs. 😊
I have the LG 65 inch OLED. I have a Christie DWU599-GS used. I cut16:9 300 inch form a older cineplex theater screen. For free so I can put my speaker towers behind the screen. And no I can't see them replacing projectors any time soon. Hello from Canada
100" is a very immersive image for the majority of people, especially if you're
That was the case in the 90s with the outdated THX standards, but the recent RP22 guidelines recommend a much wider viewing angle.
@@Youthmanwho care about what is recommended, different people prefer to be in the front row, some in the middle and others in the back! To each their own, this is supposed to be fun after all!
100 inches? That's small in the projector world. Anyway, it's beside the point because films were designed to be viewed in cinemas on screen with projectors. The light is meant to bounce off a screen, just like how we see things in real life - bounced light. It's also more immersive because invariably it's easier to go large and ultimately it is how Directors and Cinematographers intended their films to be seen. If I watch something on my 85 inch TV, my eyes get tired, I just don't enjoy getting blue light shone at a zillion nits directly into my eyeballs, nor do I think that is healthy. A good movie on a projector, you can't beat it in my books.
U make good point. Also thts d SAME reason NO one goes to Movie Theater anymore. Every time I went to movie, i just wish they are Brighter n LESS MUSHY. That visual in 2024 just does Not Spike brain Dopamine enough to Triger the “WANT”.
I went to see Top gun, Indiana JOnes, Wanka n Oopenheimer ….all the images are crusty n depressing . I kept thinking this is so much better if on LED TV.
Depends WHAT brand of 85” u have. Hisense is d ONLY brand that has HIGHEST Range of Settings.
Every other Brand TV the tv has -pre set. Standard, custom, cinema, etc.
I HAVE Hisense, they are d most utterly enjoyable Tv. U CAN tweak them to your eyes liking letting the eyes do the call for each show. Once u do a Hisense Flagship u can HARDLY ever go back.
Unless u get a SHARP-Aquos Quatrum TV which they dont sell in North America.