Not obstruction. Defender was tricked into committing to the wrong attacker, not blocked from following BOD (that he realises at the last second that the ball has gone elsewhere makes no difference, he committed to the player he though was getting the ball). No different from a screen pass.Forward pass is borderline. BOD is running slightly sideways (see the halfway line) and the ball is allowed to drift forward in a pass to allow for the forward momentum of players. Would have been very harsh to penalise.
It seems to me that many New Zealanders i've come across love to hate O'Driscoll for some reason. In my view the man is a fantastic rugby player no matter what anyone says. Credit where its due in all fairness.
Or in other words; you’ve never come across any New Zealander. We don’t hate him. We just see how overrated he was and what a egomaniacal primadonna he is. We all know he was an excellent player.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when O'Driscoll passed the ball to himself, was he and the ball behind the line when he started the pass, then he and the ball were in front of the line when he caught it a half-second later, which would make this really a forward pass?
A forward pass only occurs if it touches another player. If it touches the ground it's a knock on. Until either of those occurs, the player who last touched the ball is considered to still be in possession. In this case, though obviously intentional, it's refereed as though BOD had caught the ball poorly & had to juggle. Interestingly, Hickie had the option of playing the ball as it was in flight (probably intended to) as a potential pass reciever so obstruction can't be called.
O'Driscoll as the worlds best centre for 10 years, showed again today for the Lions his genius. Set up 2 tries, set up another for Monye who failed to put it down, set up Bowe which was disallowed for tough crossing call, he creates mayhem, just like he did to France in 2000 Six nations with hat trick in Paris 8 weeks after same French team outclassed and outskilled NZ in WC semi in an open game as they didnt have an O'Driscoll Had scrum gave O'Driscoll & Roberts parity possession, Lions win
@AdamR2468 When a player throws the ball up in the air as O'Driscoll did he is still in control of the ball and as such he retains possession of the ball. This would mean that it is fact obstruction because the defender was prevented to tackle the player "in possession" of the ball. So unfortunately there would be something illegal about it.
Ok, im going to tell you all why this is perfectly fine: We see players all the time who run with the ball, bounce off a tackle and lose the ball, before it hits the ground the regain control of the ball and there is no penalty, no scrum etc etc etc. therefore this is exactly the same. BOD "loses control" of the ball, and regains it, before it touches the ground.... No problems...
I agree, O'Driscolls been impressive all things considered but is already playing less during the year to ensure he's fresh for the internationals. That and his off the field sponserships is one of the main reasons for him not going abroad to earn more in France for example, he would have been burnt ot by now. France are favourites but you never know, should be a good game in any case
just to say, message from england, i"m proud of how well he played for the Lions, we were unlucky against those dirty Boks! bad luck to Ronan o"Gara i don"t hold grudge it was a silly mistake, but a mistake when all said & done. can"t wait for next Lions tour to Oz!
brian odriscoll was voted rugby player of the decade by some no name british/irish magazine. richie mccaw was voted world player of the decade by reuters, a world leading sport and news organisation.
My point was that you have an advantage, we were talking about population and player numbers. Anyway, here it was common knowledge, but if you say they were all under 5 then I'll take your word for it.
Guys, can we not all just put our differences aside and as one people, worship for a while at the altar of BO'D, Thats why we're all here looking at this video. Lets not forget whats truly important. What a fucking legend!
Lets look at Irish sportsmen the last 20 years in Five major sports.... Brian O'Driscoll - Rugby World player of the decade (2000-2009) Padraig Harrington - Golf's Three time Major winner Roy Keane - Manchester United's most successful ever captain Tony McCoy - the most successful Horse racing Jockey ever Steve Collins - Middleweight, and Super middleweight world champion Thats in a nation of 4 million people, where Gaelic sports are #1 and #2. Outstanding!
@Cryoah Also true, but in the case of a scissors move (which this is fairly similar to), if the dummy runner takes out a potential tackler it can be classed as obstruction
@duncandohnut1993 True in case of a kick, but now, there was a teammate running a straight line calling for the ball, he wasnt trying to stop any opposition players. What brian did was basically a miss pass to himself, and as with a normal miss pass, the dummy runners aren't doing any obstruction whatsoever
Technically it's only forward IF the ball a) touches the ground b) touches the opposition or c) touches another player on your team. If you want you can chuck the ball forward as far as you want, just as long as it touches NOTHING but yourself and you catch it. It's perfectly legal just very hard to do and very controversial. But it's legal.
I didn't affirmate that he really was "THE BEST" center of the world. If you read carefully, you would see I wrote "one of the best" which is different. I didn't talk about "genius", or maybe I would have to buy glasses (even if my eyes don't need to). Rugby is a sport, and an art. I'm always happy to watch some new crazy moves even if "the possession was lost" (seriously, i don't care of that, I think there is things more important in the world). Fun and Show. That's why I love sport.
@xxPanteraxxx I think he's trying to say NZ mostly deny that O'Driscoll is as good as he is because well, he isn't theirs. If he played for a NZ club or was a Kiwi himself, they'd be singing his praises. But after those 4 warm up matches, 2 of which I attended at the Aviva, there wasn't a lot of our main players missing. So if we play like that and that is near enough to our best squad, we don't stand a chance in that case. I personally, like Keith Wood, think it's Australia's time this year.
12.1 (e) of the IRB laws of rugby states: (e) Intentional knock or throw forward. A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm, nor throw forward. Sanction: Penalty kick. A penalty try must be awarded if the offence prevents a try that would probably otherwise have been scored. Thus, this moment of 'genius' was illegal, regardless of what the ref on the pitch decided.
@Vanu7 thanks man, i think we have you's in our group in the world cup? I hope ye's do well, Robbie has a good squad lined up its gonna be tough for Ireland.
The way I see it, he did a mini miss pass to himself. sure that fooled the defence but he fooled his own #11 in the process. And it is very arguable that it was forward. It looks like he tosses the pass just before the line then catches it at the line. My point is that O'Driscoll is a fine player but there are many other plays that he's done that deserve more credit!
Yeah, i think it should have been McCaw last year. He captained Canterbury to the ANZC championship, the Crusaders to the Super 14 championship and the All Blacks to the Tri nations, Bledisloe and a Granslam where noone in the home nations scored a try against them. He literally won everything he could win. yet he didnt get a nomination. You can put your house on BOD getting it this year though. no matter what happens his names on the trophy.
Apart from maybe the six nations this year which is harder to win because there are four world class teams in it.And Ireland are ranked fourth inthe world
i have no problem with your 'well rounded and fair analysis' and i certainly don't challenge but this is a video hosting site, and not every opinion posted needs to be based and founded on a well-reasoned argument. for example, i am irish. brian o driscoll has done fantastic things for irish rugby and for that reason alone he can held in very high esteem by any irish rugby fan. perhaps to call him the greatest rugby player in the world is being overly zealous but that's sport.
wasn't forward, wasn't obstruction and certainly wasn't called. they ran back to line up the defence for the lineout. It's no more obstruction than a skip pass would be. As he's running up the line the ref is following the play, and you can tell by the commentator that nothing was blown. I think Carter pulled the same move and if I'm not wrong Campese too
In my opinion it's not strictly illegal, it's technically just a cut out pass to himself, the player he cut out just happened to be tackled. It would be the same as if he just dummied the pass and ran round anyway. Besides, he didn't achieve much with it.. Innovative play, but he is by no stretch of the imagination, the best centre in the world lol..
@92Knife It couldn't have been backwards. His running had a forward component, and threw it and caught it in roughly the same position relative to his body. Ergo, he must have thrown it forwards.
Scotland and Rugby are toast.. they have been in decline for 15 years. Ireland are the growing force, the numbers who play Rugby have accelarated (its still 4th choice sport) but over 10 years the interest has grown, O'Driscoll is a big reason for that.
Rugby is the 4th most popular sport in a country of 5 and a half million people. Rugby has only started getting popular here since the millennium. 07 we were crap we'll admit that but in 2011 we're going to win our pool and you aussies will be fighting it out for 2nd place with Italy.
Thats genius. Such a pity about the Lions and him getting injured at a crucial time in that 2nd test. He probably has 1 more world cup left in him though.
Fair enough raawr77, his argument wasnt clear. Therefore I agree. I think williams is a very good player but I reckon O'Driscoll is a more complete player. What O'Driscoll lacks in pace he makes up with tackling, intercept ability, game reading & sheer physicallity. How the man hasnt gained WPOTY status I dont know.
@Renato4004 Correct me if I'm wrong but I assume that football players would have been told to do whatever play they're doing by their coaches in one of the million time-outs you guys have instead of thinking for themselves when situations arises. Not trying to be condescending or anything but that seems like the main diff to me--that is if you mean American football and not football/soccer.
The ball travelled out of his hands in a forward direction towards the opposition team's try line - that's why he had to run diagonally forward to catch up to it. Definitely a forward pass to himself, but I respect your well thought out opinion.
oh come on you have got to be kidding did you see the lions tour, the grand slam, O' Driscall is one of the best centres ever to have played the game not just in this era, also check out his tries on the lions tour to Australia!, he's prob gonna get world player of the year this year!
Iv played rugby since i was 8 years old and im 19 now. I think i know the rules. 1 he didnt throw the ball forward. 2 If you skip pass someone and they run forward its called a dummy runner. Thats what hickie acted as here. O'driscoll wasnt in possesion of the ball when hickie crossed and obstructed so it is considered a skip pass to himself and so hickie didnt commit crossing
I meant that McCaw had the best credentials last year. And to be fair in looking at his stats, BOD hasnt had much competition in Ireland. he has had so many games to score those trys, this is both to do with him being a great player and a lack of depth in ireland. Take NZ wings for instance, in the last ten years Jeff Wilson, Tana Umaga, Joeli Vidiri, Jonah Lomu, Joe Rockococo,Sitiveni Sivivatu, Doug Howlett and many more world class players have been vying for 2 spots on the field.
Blocking an opponent in order to stop them tackling one of your team-mates, or moving in front of a team-mate in order to act as a shield, is also outlawed. unless you were the ball carrier which he wasnt.
Offside and interfering with play. A player who is offside must not take part in the game. This means the player must not play the ball or obstruct an opponent.
Rome Waerea but he didn't obstruct the tackler from the ball carrier because at the time no one was carrying the ball, it was in the air. So no tackle could legally be made anyway. Besides the fact that the tackler was committed to the other player anyway.
The defender committed to the wrong attacker was onside at the point where the trick happened. There's nothing illegal there. It's no different to a screen pass or switch pass where the defender and attacker make contact after the ball has moved on. Had the defender been following BOD the whole way and been prevented from reaching him by an offside attacker that would be obstruction.
BOD is one of the best defensive centres in the game. His defense is better than his offense and thats a scary fact considering he is known for his immense abilty in attack..... So your "Nonu can defend" comment is weak tbh.
That is a blatant forward pass. Even before slowing it down i can see he throws it continues running and then catches the ball, he cant do that if he throws it backwards. Once slowed down its clear its forward. But fair play to the lad, was a nice little trick!!
Senior Males is what you're looking for NZ still has about 5.000 more, closer than I thought but the reality is that the vast majority of registered players in NZ are still playing Rugby. In Ireland it's not the case, they keep names on even when players are gone on to Gaelic games. With the pro era numbers have grown(unlike NZ money only entered the game for us with professionalism) so as the rankings show we're on the up! Before you deny that money was in the game b4 pro in NZ, skip it
If you have a look at the comments you might see where I'm coming from. It's a long and drawn out argument we've been having. In Ireland we have the opposite, there are more emigrants than immigrants. Flower boy pointed out some guys who were born in Israel and the US so I thought I'd point out the All-Blacks born overseas. In the Irish players mentioned case they also grew up in Ireland.
Ali74 Not a redundant point at all. I take it you stand corrected Ireland didn't even make the 1/4 finals beaten by argentina in the most boring game of the tourny, Bod didn't even fire a shot. As for France, they can be brilliant one day and dreadful the next. Anyone who knows anything about rugby could tell you that.
@shapeshifters7 your wrong , its to another player . so here il give you a situation and you tell me if it should be counted as foward pass . attacking player runs straight at a defender the attacking player is hit so hard that he loses the ball foward but before it reaches the ground the attacking player regathers . and people wouldnt throw the ball foward instead of chip chasing as it is more difficult and your less likely to regather it before it touches the ground !
@ConorBrr the reason players go to the northern hemisphere is thats where the big money is, you'll find a lot of players at the tail end of their careers or players that put money before playing for the all blacks make the trip, there's also the guys who can,t make the top sides over here but are top players in the northern hemisphere,
As for the Grand Slam, i stand by my statement, its not that much of an acheivement. Not only have the All blacks not had a try scored against them on their last 2 NH tours, but it is always banded around that NZ cant win pressure games, or important tournaments. Therefore, if winning the tournament with the top 3 teams in the world is not an important tournament, then surely a tournament featuring teams ranked 4-12 cant be that great either?
It should also be known that rugby is NZs 5th most popular sport on player numbers. And in what regard you hold the trinations is irrelevant. the fact of the matter is it is that the 6 nations doesnt count for much. And what does the number of teams matter? theres only 3, but they are number 1,2 and 3 in the world. They could include argentina, fiji and samoa who are ranked ahead of england scotland and italy respectively, but that would just dilute the quality of the competition.
@davidlloydthomas Cool you've just put to rest the spear tackle on O'Driscoll by Tana Umaga. Here I was thinking that it was illegal play but as it turns out it was pure brilliance, cause he got away with it. Not only did Umaga get away with it O'Driscoll didn't play another game on that tour, what a genius he is. Greatest play to ever play the game, Umaga is untouchable. Nice logic.
In any case, no I'm not an expert on NZ culture. I play with a few Kiwis here in Europe and generally find them tough open minded and reasonable. Then I come on youtube and find them slating the Irish and our acheivements. It tends to provoke a reaction of sorts. As for the Rugby I love it, North and South Hem.
The All-Blacksare still regarded, to me anyway, as the best Rugby team in the world. But Ireland have done pretty damn well for themselves, so I dont see why all this arguing is going on.
@GuerillaGanja trust me thats an obstruction what he did, his team mate obviously took out one of the defenders who did not have the opportunity to tackle him. That is then technically a penalty. My point is Tana was one of the best all blacks when he was playing and he played damn well against lions and scored some great tries against england, SA and austalia to compare odriscoll to Tana you have to be ignorant to not recognise his individual achievements too!!!
@JyJayJy "The idiot".. I'm not Irish.. But O'driscoll is surely one of the best center of the world (maybe the best)... He's a great player, so don't insult him. And this move was amazing even if he didn't score!
What do you mean fumble he gathered it himself. not a knock on nor can it be classed as a forward pass. Don't think it can be an obstruction cause he didn't have the ball in hand. What did you mean??
think you misunderstood something Sunflowery, I meant what started OUR argument, not THE argument. Anyway you seemed to have formed an opinion of me that's way off. That's ok though, comments aren't much to go on
@Greengiant223 It's irrelevant as to whether he has the ball or not, he’s not the one running obstruction. The defensive player who is marking O’Driscoll is taken out by the No.11 player. This is who should have been penalised.
you should really check your facts, the amount of foreign players on the Leinster Team is significantly less than Munster, but as it's club there's no sin in that right? Also if you're implying that Leinster wouldn't have won without Elsom then you're really talking out your arse mate
that Rugby is the 4th most played sport in New Zealand is arguable, the Grand Slam you are talking about involves just 6 teams, that's the competition you're talking about, if you go back 100yrs you have to include a defeat at the hands of an Irish club team not even the national side and that's without pulling the amount of islanders that NZ naturalize for their national team, a bit like we do with soccer.
Heh you know what i just found out. According to SPARC (the NZ authority on sport) Rugby is the 5th most played sport by males in new zealand, behind golf, cricket, touch and tennis. You learn something new everyday. Rugbys 4th in Ireland, 5th in New Zealand, where are your excuses now. And Ireland have yet to do anything on the world stage. 6 nations doesnt count for much
@accident111 The defender runs into a dummy runner.... and not to mention there is no way that player would have got to O'Driscoll when he "became the ball carrier again"... he was too far away...
When you're inside a game you do learn something extra, I never used the word expert. As for foreigners, as imigrants we've been less fortunate than you guys. We got Polish and Romanians. If we ever go into gymnastics in a big way maybe we'll get somewhere. The truth about money in the game is that if you're playing the top spectator sport the possibilities are endless. When you have to cancel training through lack of a pitch or play on shit grounds things change.
What predictions are you on about? I didn't make any. Times are changing doesn't neccessarily mean the AB's. We won the Grand Slam for the first time in 61 years, we're more consistant than ever. As for players being born off shore are you referring to O'Gara? They're so few and far between and from Irish parents so not really worth mentioning. It's certainly not a crucial factor. I should point out again, I never criticised the AB's, your mixing up with someone else.
ok first off it isn't cossing as it is a dummy switch and the ball is in the air, also it is only a knock on if the ball has touched the ground nad a forward pass is if the player passes the ball and another catches the ball in front of the player. And besides you don't see lobbing because you are most likely to be tackled anyway
So this is called the "Brian O'Driscoll moment of genius" which, yeah, I agree it was brilliant ... but then nothing happened; no points, no try ... no nothing! While I agree that O'Driscoll is a great player, surely he could have made better from this opportunity.
Lions equals: *Unrealiable front row *Outclassed locks, especially a certain ginger haired irishman who would be dropped for next game if he werent captain. *Woefully inept loose forwards, none of whom would make SA C team *Mike Phillips is Alright, every other halfback is ave *Both flyhalfs are off the pace. *Adequate wingers *Class midfield *Amazing Fullback. Conclusion, lions lose all three
What a player he's been
Not obstruction. Defender was tricked into committing to the wrong attacker, not blocked from following BOD (that he realises at the last second that the ball has gone elsewhere makes no difference, he committed to the player he though was getting the ball). No different from a screen pass.Forward pass is borderline. BOD is running slightly sideways (see the halfway line) and the ball is allowed to drift forward in a pass to allow for the forward momentum of players. Would have been very harsh to penalise.
It seems to me that many New Zealanders i've come across love to hate O'Driscoll for some reason. In my view the man is a fantastic rugby player no matter what anyone says. Credit where its due in all fairness.
Did they think he was overrated or just the whole 2005 Lions debacle.
If kiwis hate a rugby player it’s because he’s very good and not an all black
Or in other words; you’ve never come across any New Zealander.
We don’t hate him. We just see how overrated he was and what a egomaniacal primadonna he is. We all know he was an excellent player.
@@StoutProper Why oh why can’t you Irish resist being ridiculous with statements like that?
@@danieleyre8913 how can the greatest player to grace a rugby field be overrated?
Simply amazing
How can anyone dislike this moment of perfection?!
it will be a sad day for irish rugby when he retires ...... great player and a genuinely nice person
there goes my hero, watch him as he scores
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when O'Driscoll passed the ball to himself, was he and the ball behind the line when he started the pass, then he and the ball were in front of the line when he caught it a half-second later, which would make this really a forward pass?
A forward pass only occurs if it touches another player. If it touches the ground it's a knock on. Until either of those occurs, the player who last touched the ball is considered to still be in possession. In this case, though obviously intentional, it's refereed as though BOD had caught the ball poorly & had to juggle. Interestingly, Hickie had the option of playing the ball as it was in flight (probably intended to) as a potential pass reciever so obstruction can't be called.
O'Driscoll as the worlds best centre for 10 years, showed again today for the Lions his genius. Set up 2 tries, set up another for Monye who failed to put it down, set up Bowe which was disallowed for tough crossing call, he creates mayhem, just like he did to France in 2000 Six nations with hat trick in Paris 8 weeks after same French team outclassed and outskilled NZ in WC semi in an open game as they didnt have an O'Driscoll
Had scrum gave O'Driscoll & Roberts parity possession, Lions win
Simply the greatest.
@AdamR2468 When a player throws the ball up in the air as O'Driscoll did he is still in control of the ball and as such he retains possession of the ball. This would mean that it is fact obstruction because the defender was prevented to tackle the player "in possession" of the ball. So unfortunately there would be something illegal about it.
Best centre to ever play the game.
Ok, im going to tell you all why this is perfectly fine:
We see players all the time who run with the ball, bounce off a tackle and lose the ball, before it hits the ground the regain control of the ball and there is no penalty, no scrum etc etc etc.
therefore this is exactly the same. BOD "loses control" of the ball, and regains it, before it touches the ground....
No problems...
I agree, O'Driscolls been impressive all things considered but is already playing less during the year to ensure he's fresh for the internationals. That and his off the field sponserships is one of the main reasons for him not going abroad to earn more in France for example, he would have been burnt ot by now. France are favourites but you never know, should be a good game in any case
just to say, message from england, i"m proud of how well he played for the Lions, we were unlucky against those dirty Boks! bad luck to Ronan o"Gara i don"t hold grudge it was a silly mistake, but a mistake when all said & done. can"t wait for next Lions tour to Oz!
it's relevant in that that's the tournament you were knocking.
brian odriscoll was voted rugby player of the decade by some no name british/irish magazine.
richie mccaw was voted world player of the decade by reuters, a world leading sport and news organisation.
Simply a genius !
My point was that you have an advantage, we were talking about population and player numbers. Anyway, here it was common knowledge, but if you say they were all under 5 then I'll take your word for it.
Guys, can we not all just put our differences aside and as one people, worship for a while at the altar of BO'D, Thats why we're all here looking at this video. Lets not forget whats truly important. What a fucking legend!
Lets look at Irish sportsmen the last 20 years in Five major sports....
Brian O'Driscoll - Rugby World player of the decade (2000-2009)
Padraig Harrington - Golf's Three time Major winner
Roy Keane - Manchester United's most successful ever captain
Tony McCoy - the most successful Horse racing Jockey ever
Steve Collins - Middleweight, and Super middleweight world champion
Thats in a nation of 4 million people, where Gaelic sports are #1 and #2. Outstanding!
@Cryoah Also true, but in the case of a scissors move (which this is fairly similar to), if the dummy runner takes out a potential tackler it can be classed as obstruction
@duncandohnut1993 True in case of a kick, but now, there was a teammate running a straight line calling for the ball, he wasnt trying to stop any opposition players. What brian did was basically a miss pass to himself, and as with a normal miss pass, the dummy runners aren't doing any obstruction whatsoever
Technically it's only forward IF the ball a) touches the ground b) touches the opposition or c) touches another player on your team. If you want you can chuck the ball forward as far as you want, just as long as it touches NOTHING but yourself and you catch it. It's perfectly legal just very hard to do and very controversial. But it's legal.
I didn't affirmate that he really was "THE BEST" center of the world. If you read carefully, you would see I wrote "one of the best" which is different. I didn't talk about "genius", or maybe I would have to buy glasses (even if my eyes don't need to). Rugby is a sport, and an art. I'm always happy to watch some new crazy moves even if "the possession was lost" (seriously, i don't care of that, I think there is things more important in the world). Fun and Show. That's why I love sport.
BRIAN
@xxPanteraxxx I think he's trying to say NZ mostly deny that O'Driscoll is as good as he is because well, he isn't theirs. If he played for a NZ club or was a Kiwi himself, they'd be singing his praises.
But after those 4 warm up matches, 2 of which I attended at the Aviva, there wasn't a lot of our main players missing. So if we play like that and that is near enough to our best squad, we don't stand a chance in that case.
I personally, like Keith Wood, think it's Australia's time this year.
that's what a centre is made to do break the line, o'driscoll is a beasst!
12.1 (e) of the IRB laws of rugby states:
(e) Intentional knock or throw forward. A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm, nor throw forward.
Sanction: Penalty kick. A penalty try must be awarded if the offence prevents a try that would probably otherwise have been scored.
Thus, this moment of 'genius' was illegal, regardless of what the ref on the pitch decided.
@bidefordrfc Can you point to the bit in the law book where it states it must be a defending player? As I can't find it myself.
@Vanu7 thanks man, i think we have you's in our group in the world cup? I hope ye's do well, Robbie has a good squad lined up its gonna be tough for Ireland.
The way I see it, he did a mini miss pass to himself. sure that fooled the defence but he fooled his own #11 in the process. And it is very arguable that it was forward. It looks like he tosses the pass just before the line then catches it at the line.
My point is that O'Driscoll is a fine player but there are many other plays that he's done that deserve more credit!
@ZakWithAZ I agree, because no. 11 actually took out a defender.
Yeah, i think it should have been McCaw last year. He captained Canterbury to the ANZC championship, the Crusaders to the Super 14 championship and the All Blacks to the Tri nations, Bledisloe and a Granslam where noone in the home nations scored a try against them.
He literally won everything he could win. yet he didnt get a nomination.
You can put your house on BOD getting it this year though. no matter what happens his names on the trophy.
Apart from maybe the six nations this year which is harder to win because there are four world class teams in it.And Ireland are ranked fourth inthe world
i have no problem with your 'well rounded and fair analysis' and i certainly don't challenge but this is a video hosting site, and not every opinion posted needs to be based and founded on a well-reasoned argument. for example, i am irish. brian o driscoll has done fantastic things for irish rugby and for that reason alone he can held in very high esteem by any irish rugby fan. perhaps to call him the greatest rugby player in the world is being overly zealous but that's sport.
wasn't forward, wasn't obstruction and certainly wasn't called. they ran back to line up the defence for the lineout. It's no more obstruction than a skip pass would be. As he's running up the line the ref is following the play, and you can tell by the commentator that nothing was blown. I think Carter pulled the same move and if I'm not wrong Campese too
In my opinion it's not strictly illegal, it's technically just a cut out pass to himself, the player he cut out just happened to be tackled. It would be the same as if he just dummied the pass and ran round anyway. Besides, he didn't achieve much with it.. Innovative play, but he is by no stretch of the imagination, the best centre in the world lol..
@92Knife It couldn't have been backwards. His running had a forward component, and threw it and caught it in roughly the same position relative to his body. Ergo, he must have thrown it forwards.
He is a great centre, but doesn't have one or two supporting combinations to make the Irish backline more lethal.
The tittle is good : Moment of Genious...is a genious....
that's not an illegal move, there is no obstruction of the ball carrier because the ball is in the air. so technically it's fine
Brian O'Driscoll is my favorite athlete in the world, but isn't what he does here illegal?
Scotland and Rugby are toast.. they have been in decline for 15 years. Ireland are the growing force, the numbers who play Rugby have accelarated (its still 4th choice sport) but over 10 years the interest has grown, O'Driscoll is a big reason for that.
Rugby is the 4th most popular sport in a country of 5 and a half million people. Rugby has only started getting popular here since the millennium. 07 we were crap we'll admit that but in 2011 we're going to win our pool and you aussies will be fighting it out for 2nd place with Italy.
Thats genius. Such a pity about the Lions and him getting injured at a crucial time in that 2nd test. He probably has 1 more world cup left in him though.
Fair enough raawr77, his argument wasnt clear. Therefore I agree. I think williams is a very good player but I reckon O'Driscoll is a more complete player. What O'Driscoll lacks in pace he makes up with tackling, intercept ability, game reading & sheer physicallity. How the man hasnt gained WPOTY status I dont know.
@Renato4004 Correct me if I'm wrong but I assume that football players would have been told to do whatever play they're doing by their coaches in one of the million time-outs you guys have instead of thinking for themselves when situations arises. Not trying to be condescending or anything but that seems like the main diff to me--that is if you mean American football and not football/soccer.
The ball travelled out of his hands in a forward direction towards the opposition team's try line - that's why he had to run diagonally forward to catch up to it. Definitely a forward pass to himself, but I respect your well thought out opinion.
best rugby player of all time!!!
magic...love O 'Driscoll and I'm English
What's even more incredible is the size of the crowd! bloody welsh rugby the most we can get is 20k and that's a scarlets ospreys derby XD
oh come on you have got to be kidding did you see the lions tour, the grand slam, O' Driscall is one of the best centres ever to have played the game not just in this era, also check out his tries on the lions tour to Australia!, he's prob gonna get world player of the year this year!
Iv played rugby since i was 8 years old and im 19 now. I think i know the rules. 1 he didnt throw the ball forward. 2 If you skip pass someone and they run forward its called a dummy runner. Thats what hickie acted as here. O'driscoll wasnt in possesion of the ball when hickie crossed and obstructed so it is considered a skip pass to himself and so hickie didnt commit crossing
I meant that McCaw had the best credentials last year.
And to be fair in looking at his stats, BOD hasnt had much competition in Ireland. he has had so many games to score those trys, this is both to do with him being a great player and a lack of depth in ireland.
Take NZ wings for instance, in the last ten years Jeff Wilson, Tana Umaga, Joeli Vidiri, Jonah Lomu, Joe Rockococo,Sitiveni Sivivatu, Doug Howlett and many more world class players have been vying for 2 spots on the field.
Blocking an opponent in order to stop them tackling one of your team-mates, or moving in front of a team-mate in order to act as a shield, is also outlawed. unless you were the ball carrier which he wasnt.
Offside and interfering with play. A player who is offside must not take part in the game.
This means the player must not play the ball or obstruct an opponent.
Rome Waerea but he didn't obstruct the tackler from the ball carrier because at the time no one was carrying the ball, it was in the air. So no tackle could legally be made anyway. Besides the fact that the tackler was committed to the other player anyway.
The defender committed to the wrong attacker was onside at the point where the trick happened. There's nothing illegal there. It's no different to a screen pass or switch pass where the defender and attacker make contact after the ball has moved on.
Had the defender been following BOD the whole way and been prevented from reaching him by an offside attacker that would be obstruction.
Dave, also that's not quite true. A player who is "juggling" the ball can be tackled, as they haven't lost possession until they actually knock on.
carlos spencer did do it wen he was playn for the blues in 2002 againest the canes.
BOD is one of the best defensive centres in the game. His defense is better than his offense and thats a scary fact considering he is known for his immense abilty in attack..... So your "Nonu can defend" comment is weak tbh.
@Cryoah There can be obstruction. If a man kicks and chases but is taken out that counts as obstruction despite him not having the ball.
That is a blatant forward pass.
Even before slowing it down i can see he throws it continues running and then catches the ball, he cant do that if he throws it backwards.
Once slowed down its clear its forward.
But fair play to the lad, was a nice little trick!!
Senior Males is what you're looking for NZ still has about 5.000 more, closer than I thought but the reality is that the vast majority of registered players in NZ are still playing Rugby. In Ireland it's not the case, they keep names on even when players are gone on to Gaelic games. With the pro era numbers have grown(unlike NZ money only entered the game for us with professionalism) so as the rankings show we're on the up! Before you deny that money was in the game b4 pro in NZ, skip it
If you have a look at the comments you might see where I'm coming from. It's a long and drawn out argument we've been having. In Ireland we have the opposite, there are more emigrants than immigrants. Flower boy pointed out some guys who were born in Israel and the US so I thought I'd point out the All-Blacks born overseas. In the Irish players mentioned case they also grew up in Ireland.
" The best center in the world " LOL
it looked like he threw it sideways
I'm not saying it wasn't class what he did, but just wondering, was that not crossing?
Ali74 Not a redundant point at all. I take it you stand corrected
Ireland didn't even make the 1/4 finals beaten by argentina in the most boring game of the tourny, Bod didn't even fire a shot. As for France, they can be brilliant one day and dreadful the next. Anyone who knows anything about rugby could tell you that.
@shapeshifters7 your wrong , its to another player . so here il give you a situation and you tell me if it should be counted as foward pass . attacking player runs straight at a defender the attacking player is hit so hard that he loses the ball foward but before it reaches the ground the attacking player regathers . and people wouldnt throw the ball foward instead of chip chasing as it is more difficult and your less likely to regather it before it touches the ground !
There is no probable. He is the best in the world.
@ConorBrr the reason players go to the northern hemisphere is thats where the big money is, you'll find a lot of players at the tail end of their careers or players that put money before playing for the all blacks make the trip,
there's also the guys who can,t make the top sides over here but are top players in the northern hemisphere,
As for the Grand Slam, i stand by my statement, its not that much of an acheivement.
Not only have the All blacks not had a try scored against them on their last 2 NH tours, but it is always banded around that NZ cant win pressure games, or important tournaments.
Therefore, if winning the tournament with the top 3 teams in the world is not an important tournament, then surely a tournament featuring teams ranked 4-12 cant be that great either?
I've seen this video many times and don't see why this is so amazing.
cood swear tht cood pass for obstruction
It should also be known that rugby is NZs 5th most popular sport on player numbers.
And in what regard you hold the trinations is irrelevant. the fact of the matter is it is that the 6 nations doesnt count for much.
And what does the number of teams matter? theres only 3, but they are number 1,2 and 3 in the world. They could include argentina, fiji and samoa who are ranked ahead of england scotland and italy respectively, but that would just dilute the quality of the competition.
@duncandohnut1993 I don't think it is because he didn't have the ball in his hands ?
@luuukeeee How is it not a moment of genius? Can you just explain how it's not. . .
@davidlloydthomas
Cool you've just put to rest the spear tackle on O'Driscoll by Tana Umaga. Here I was thinking that it was illegal play but as it turns out it was pure brilliance, cause he got away with it. Not only did Umaga get away with it O'Driscoll didn't play another game on that tour, what a genius he is. Greatest play to ever play the game, Umaga is untouchable. Nice logic.
@Cryoah That doesn't stop him from being a potential tackler though
Its obstruction. the player without the ball took out a potential tackler. you learn the rules.
In any case, no I'm not an expert on NZ culture. I play with a few Kiwis here in Europe and generally find them tough open minded and reasonable. Then I come on youtube and find them slating the Irish and our acheivements. It tends to provoke a reaction of sorts. As for the Rugby I love it, North and South Hem.
The All-Blacksare still regarded, to me anyway, as the best Rugby team in the world. But Ireland have done pretty damn well for themselves, so I dont see why all this arguing is going on.
@MrKeviemc Thanks man. Merry Xmas
@GuerillaGanja trust me thats an obstruction what he did, his team mate obviously took out one of the defenders who did not have the opportunity to tackle him. That is then technically a penalty. My point is Tana was one of the best all blacks when he was playing and he played damn well against lions and scored some great tries against england, SA and austalia to compare odriscoll to Tana you have to be ignorant to not recognise his individual achievements too!!!
@JyJayJy "The idiot".. I'm not Irish.. But O'driscoll is surely one of the best center of the world (maybe the best)... He's a great player, so don't insult him. And this move was amazing even if he didn't score!
What do you mean fumble he gathered it himself. not a knock on nor can it be classed as a forward pass. Don't think it can be an obstruction cause he didn't have the ball in hand. What did you mean??
think you misunderstood something Sunflowery, I meant what started OUR argument, not THE argument. Anyway you seemed to have formed an opinion of me that's way off. That's ok though, comments aren't much to go on
@plonker00765 is that why so many player from the southern hemisphere want to come and play for northern hemisphere clubs?
he needs to be more like umaga
@Greengiant223
It's irrelevant as to whether he has the ball or not, he’s not the one running obstruction. The defensive player who is marking O’Driscoll is taken out by the No.11 player. This is who should have been penalised.
you should really check your facts, the amount of foreign players on the Leinster Team is significantly less than Munster, but as it's club there's no sin in that right? Also if you're implying that Leinster wouldn't have won without Elsom then you're really talking out your arse mate
that Rugby is the 4th most played sport in New Zealand is arguable, the Grand Slam you are talking about involves just 6 teams, that's the competition you're talking about, if you go back 100yrs you have to include a defeat at the hands of an Irish club team not even the national side and that's without pulling the amount of islanders that NZ naturalize for their national team, a bit like we do with soccer.
Heh you know what i just found out.
According to SPARC (the NZ authority on sport) Rugby is the 5th most played sport by males in new zealand, behind golf, cricket, touch and tennis.
You learn something new everyday. Rugbys 4th in Ireland, 5th in New Zealand, where are your excuses now.
And Ireland have yet to do anything on the world stage. 6 nations doesnt count for much
@accident111
The defender runs into a dummy runner.... and not to mention there is no way that player would have got to O'Driscoll when he "became the ball carrier again"... he was too far away...
ball travelled forwards
@MrRyanification Never said he was under-rated, but i do think hed be rated more if he played for the All Blacks.
When you're inside a game you do learn something extra, I never used the word expert. As for foreigners, as imigrants we've been less fortunate than you guys. We got Polish and Romanians. If we ever go into gymnastics in a big way maybe we'll get somewhere. The truth about money in the game is that if you're playing the top spectator sport the possibilities are endless. When you have to cancel training through lack of a pitch or play on shit grounds things change.
What predictions are you on about? I didn't make any. Times are changing doesn't neccessarily mean the AB's. We won the Grand Slam for the first time in 61 years, we're more consistant than ever. As for players being born off shore are you referring to O'Gara? They're so few and far between and from Irish parents so not really worth mentioning. It's certainly not a crucial factor. I should point out again, I never criticised the AB's, your mixing up with someone else.
ok first off it isn't cossing as it is a dummy switch and the ball is in the air, also it is only a knock on if the ball has touched the ground nad a forward pass is if the player passes the ball and another catches the ball in front of the player. And besides you don't see lobbing because you are most likely to be tackled anyway
So this is called the "Brian O'Driscoll moment of genius" which, yeah, I agree it was brilliant ... but then nothing happened; no points, no try ... no nothing! While I agree that O'Driscoll is a great player, surely he could have made better from this opportunity.
Lions equals:
*Unrealiable front row
*Outclassed locks, especially a certain ginger haired irishman who would be dropped for next game if he werent captain.
*Woefully inept loose forwards, none of whom would make SA C team
*Mike Phillips is Alright, every other halfback is ave
*Both flyhalfs are off the pace.
*Adequate wingers
*Class midfield
*Amazing Fullback.
Conclusion, lions lose all three