Very informative review. What I don't get is why a college student working on his own (presumably on a much lower budget) can create a much better animation of this story than the official BBC effort. He only did episode one but it's excellent and much better than this.
Having now seen some of this version I have totally changed my mind. The animation is excellent. I would be more than happy to see all releases done like this now.
I remember the original - it was very dark and had bags of sinister atmosphere. This version looks like it'll be fun but it won't evoke these four episodes as I recall them.
Good balanced review. Your video is a refreshing change from the toxicity expressed by others towards this animation and The Daleks in Colour. I enjoyed the latter and look forward to making up my own mind on the former when I receive the Steelbook. That said, I’m a big fan of the Dinopuff version! 😊
I loved it and after all the negative reviews from people who hadn't even seen it I felt I was a right chump purchasing it. How wrong I was the animation was brilliant and stunning backdrops. In contrast watch the Ice Warriors Animation where they all looked the same. The audio is cleaned up and very crisp. The expressions were not robotic and detail such as the pattern on DoDos outfit was spot on, right down to the diamond tights. I hope they animate some Big Finish Adventures when they finish animating the rest of the missing episodes.
Maybe I'm a minority but the animations good or not so are enough to get me to watch. The Toymaker, however is done way better than the others! I'm repeating what you've said about the cgi quality and the rest should be easy in comparison. TY!
Honestly, the animation looks like Facade, that game that a remake using AI would do a lot for (it was basically a chatbot) mixed with the Doctor Who VR game Though the Celestial Toymaker is such an interesting character, I wouldn’t mind some Big Finish or original animated episodes about him I would like more of the NPH Toymaker, give him an original song to sing!
Personally this is the only one I'm really apprehensive (aside the original release of The Underwater Menace) about buying when it comes out (even if I let the price drop), it's clear after The Web of Fear debacle the BBC didn't learn that this mocap shit is a failed idea. I've always liked the reconstruction and I felt it worked really well for the story and if I had the choice I would be happy to keep the recon. I feel like this would be a case of I'd buy it because I need it, not because I want it, and that's not a good thing for any collector.
I understand the apprehension, I felt it before watching too. But I think this is worth a buy as there's clearly a lot of effort in this one and out of all the missing episodes, this is one where the style mostly works (main cast aside).
I've generally heard positive things about this animation so far. I hear the animation of Episode 3 in particular is a highlight. This story definitely will benefit from having it's visuals restored in some way. I agree that the character design on the main cast could be better, but I can give it a pass since this is the first full project being done in this style. I do hope that in the future they refine the process and make it look better on follow-up projects.
I hope they don't use this style again as I don't think any amount of refining will work on these character models. This one only got away with it because the toy characters are meant to be uncanny. Episode 3 was definitely the most improved from the recon as it's borderline unwatchable without the visuals to show what's actually going on!
@@LordSlarr hopefully they can improve from their less than ideal release of The Underwater Menace. Truly the first time I was disappointed with one of these animations.
Some people don't understand that 2d animated wont work on all doctor who stories if we want Marco polo done it well be done using 3d animation if they keep using 3 animated it will get better
I really don't think a story like Marco Polo would work in this style nor do I think given the budget the style has the potential to improve by very much. I'd rather stick with the recon than have a 3D animation with that story.
Given it was finished the night before the screening it'll probably be a month or two until it's on DVD. As for future ones, there was know official confirmation of anything but I have heard from someone in the know there's one set to either be revealed or released in September. I'd treat that as just a rumour for now though. They said it's an obscure one so my guess based on pretty much nothing is The Savages.
If the human characters are barely watchable then I'm out. Surely the most important aspect of any story are the characters in it and how they relate on screen. I can see your positive points have validity, but I will never pay for a story where the characters are bordering on unwatchable. If others like it, I hope they enjoy the release. Each to their own.
I’m going to defend this. I watched it the other day but made the decision to watch the whole colour, 16:9 animation for every episode and I enjoyed it. It doesn’t work when set alongside the existing episode 4, and that’s what I think the main issue is with the most recent animations. They’re no longer made to be faithful to the originals but exist as their own thing. When the animations began, they were very much designed to plug the gaps. I think animations like The Moonbase were absolutely perfect, almost like the telesnaps coming to life. And only missing episodes animated. The market has changed now. To my mind, the animators can only justify this if there is a top-drawer reconstruction to go alongside it, which this definitely has. I don’t know how I’d feel if this animation style was used on something like The Smugglers, but they get away with it here due to the surrealist nature of the story. The 4:3 black and white animation restricts it, if anything. I totally get why some people will hate this, but I’m surprised that I enjoyed this as much as I did, being a traditionalist.
I wouldn't say so. I can understand the initial reaction to seeing this style used again after the utter disaster Web 3 was, but having watched it, I didn't think it was all that bad and had plenty of good aspects. The character models for human characters are still shit though.
No idea. The animation was, according to Mark Ayers, finished at 6pm the night before the screening! And even that had a minute long unfinished section. So it'll probably be a month or two before they can get all the DVDs made.
@@LordSlarr Yeah, a black dude dressed as an ante-bellum slave showed up just as the N word was said. Then, the Toymaker made him spin around, like a spinning top, whilst klapping and using him to write the N word on screen. It was pretty wild. 10/10
Very informative review. What I don't get is why a college student working on his own (presumably on a much lower budget) can create a much better animation of this story than the official BBC effort. He only did episode one but it's excellent and much better than this.
Having now seen some of this version I have totally changed my mind. The animation is excellent. I would be more than happy to see all releases done like this now.
I remember the original - it was very dark and had bags of sinister atmosphere. This version looks like it'll be fun but it won't evoke these four episodes as I recall them.
You're probably quite right that it won't recapture the same tone but it definitely gets the sinister atmosphere spot on in this one.
Good balanced review. Your video is a refreshing change from the toxicity expressed by others towards this animation and The Daleks in Colour. I enjoyed the latter and look forward to making up my own mind on the former when I receive the Steelbook. That said, I’m a big fan of the Dinopuff version! 😊
Thanks, although I will say I absolutely hated the butchering they did to The Daleks in the cut down colour version.
I loved it and after all the negative reviews from people who hadn't even seen it I felt I was a right chump purchasing it. How wrong I was the animation was brilliant and stunning backdrops. In contrast watch the Ice Warriors Animation where they all looked the same. The audio is cleaned up and very crisp. The expressions were not robotic and detail such as the pattern on DoDos outfit was spot on, right down to the diamond tights. I hope they animate some Big Finish Adventures when they finish animating the rest of the missing episodes.
I'm just happy to have the story represented on my dvd shelf, even if the animation isn't good I already loved the recon
I'd say the animation is just about good. It's really strong in some areas, really weak in others which just about evens things out.
@@LordSlarr where would you say its weak and strong
Maybe I'm a minority but the animations good or not so are enough to get me to watch. The Toymaker, however is done way better than the others! I'm repeating what you've said about the cgi quality and the rest should be easy in comparison. TY!
Honestly, the animation looks like Facade, that game that a remake using AI would do a lot for (it was basically a chatbot) mixed with the Doctor Who VR game
Though the Celestial Toymaker is such an interesting character, I wouldn’t mind some Big Finish or original animated episodes about him
I would like more of the NPH Toymaker, give him an original song to sing!
Personally this is the only one I'm really apprehensive (aside the original release of The Underwater Menace) about buying when it comes out (even if I let the price drop), it's clear after The Web of Fear debacle the BBC didn't learn that this mocap shit is a failed idea.
I've always liked the reconstruction and I felt it worked really well for the story and if I had the choice I would be happy to keep the recon. I feel like this would be a case of I'd buy it because I need it, not because I want it, and that's not a good thing for any collector.
I understand the apprehension, I felt it before watching too. But I think this is worth a buy as there's clearly a lot of effort in this one and out of all the missing episodes, this is one where the style mostly works (main cast aside).
@@LordSlarr Yeah, I'll probably wait for the price to drop and a photo reconstruction will probably be included.
@@DVDandFilmBloke i think a reconstruction is included
@@teamsonicchannel4400 Yeah I gathered.
I've generally heard positive things about this animation so far. I hear the animation of Episode 3 in particular is a highlight. This story definitely will benefit from having it's visuals restored in some way.
I agree that the character design on the main cast could be better, but I can give it a pass since this is the first full project being done in this style. I do hope that in the future they refine the process and make it look better on follow-up projects.
I hope they don't use this style again as I don't think any amount of refining will work on these character models. This one only got away with it because the toy characters are meant to be uncanny.
Episode 3 was definitely the most improved from the recon as it's borderline unwatchable without the visuals to show what's actually going on!
@@LordSlarr hopefully they can improve from their less than ideal release of The Underwater Menace. Truly the first time I was disappointed with one of these animations.
Are we not mentioning that Peter Purves looks like literally any other white man other than Peter Purves?
Some people don't understand that 2d animated wont work on all doctor who stories if we want Marco polo
done it well be done using 3d animation if they keep using 3 animated it will get better
I really don't think a story like Marco Polo would work in this style nor do I think given the budget the style has the potential to improve by very much. I'd rather stick with the recon than have a 3D animation with that story.
@@LordSlarr it might be the only way we get a season 1 box set if we ever get one because of uneathly child
any idea on when it should be out or were there any hints to the next one
Given it was finished the night before the screening it'll probably be a month or two until it's on DVD.
As for future ones, there was know official confirmation of anything but I have heard from someone in the know there's one set to either be revealed or released in September. I'd treat that as just a rumour for now though. They said it's an obscure one so my guess based on pretty much nothing is The Savages.
@@LordSlarr could it be the smugglers
If the human characters are barely watchable then I'm out. Surely the most important aspect of any story are the characters in it and how they relate on screen. I can see your positive points have validity, but I will never pay for a story where the characters are bordering on unwatchable. If others like it, I hope they enjoy the release. Each to their own.
I’m going to defend this. I watched it the other day but made the decision to watch the whole colour, 16:9 animation for every episode and I enjoyed it.
It doesn’t work when set alongside the existing episode 4, and that’s what I think the main issue is with the most recent animations. They’re no longer made to be faithful to the originals but exist as their own thing.
When the animations began, they were very much designed to plug the gaps. I think animations like The Moonbase were absolutely perfect, almost like the telesnaps coming to life. And only missing episodes animated. The market has changed now. To my mind, the animators can only justify this if there is a top-drawer reconstruction to go alongside it, which this definitely has.
I don’t know how I’d feel if this animation style was used on something like The Smugglers, but they get away with it here due to the surrealist nature of the story.
The 4:3 black and white animation restricts it, if anything. I totally get why some people will hate this, but I’m surprised that I enjoyed this as much as I did, being a traditionalist.
has it been deserving of all the negative reception?
I wouldn't say so. I can understand the initial reaction to seeing this style used again after the utter disaster Web 3 was, but having watched it, I didn't think it was all that bad and had plenty of good aspects. The character models for human characters are still shit though.
Do we have a release date for this?
No idea. The animation was, according to Mark Ayers, finished at 6pm the night before the screening! And even that had a minute long unfinished section. So it'll probably be a month or two before they can get all the DVDs made.
Was there a full coloured 3D N word?
How did you know?! That was the best part!
@@LordSlarr Yeah, a black dude dressed as an ante-bellum slave showed up just as the N word was said. Then, the Toymaker made him spin around, like a spinning top, whilst klapping and using him to write the N word on screen. It was pretty wild. 10/10
Yeah and it was followed by a brand new 4K Remastering of Song Of The South
@@ZakJordan98 Yes, now featuring the Toymaker! I love the scene where he sings alongside Uncle Remus!