Kramnik Cheating Drama
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it sounds to me like he can't be getting enough samples for statistically meaningful results. you need like 20 games stripped out of book moves and tactics for statistical relevance, otherwse you're just looking at random noise.
also it's of course easier to win in the earlier rounds, so positive difference is the expectance.
on the whole, based on my own history of detecting cheaters, he's probably not wrong about how prevalent the problem is. cheaters in my experience are very blatant, and very good at pretending to be innocent. very often they're also the exact people who make the most noise about cheaters, much like kramnik here. but I don't think kramnik's one of those, as he's maybe top 5 strongest player in history, yet his online performance isn't that great.
(also I'm sure that's one of the reasons why he's so suspicious of others. he knows how good he is, even understanding that he's older, retired and not used to online blitz yet. he just shouldn't be getting beaten SO much as he does.)
Apparently, he refuses to learn flagging techniques for online chess. If that’s true, then, yes, he should be losing as often as he does online considering how important knowing how to flag is - especially when you will regularly be playing opponents of a similar skill to yourself.
@@dubyalast3734 yeah I just said the same about flagging in another comment. he's definitely giving a lot of points for stuff like that. but he shouldn't be getting outplayed. it's one thing to lose, a whole another thing getting outplayed by weaker players. I think that's the root of his suspicion, not the ratings.
Yeah, statistically speaking, I'm very doubtful on how comparability is ensured in this analysis.
I mean one could try to create the individual performance distributions and try to calculate the probabilities of certain deviations but this presumes that the "final round" distribution is comparable and maybe there is just a systematic increase in performance strength in general or over certain players who actually really use their playing capacity in those cases (imagine top GMs who just play dubious like Hikaru, Magnus etc. who play dubious lines vs. IMs in order to crush them and play a decisive game whilst keeping the main lines for the super GMs -> of course this results in a different performance distribution for final rounds if there is something to play for).
TLDR: Even if the mathematics behind this analysis are sound, important statistical preconditions aren't necessarily met.
@@dubyalast3734
Hikaru cheated Levon in 2016 candidates. That was OTB where there was security. Why wouldn't Hikaru cheat online where there's little to no security?
That's more plausible than Hans' case: Hans cheated online and then all of a sudden Hans is expected to cheat OTB when there's so much security. Lol.
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Well to me personally someone's previous history of cheating is irrelevant as to whether or not I think they're cheating now - the only thing I care about is the tournament's level of security: If I were in the white house ( NUoCQ5A4w-A ) then I wouldn't care if, say, Ismail Haniyeh or whomever was there are as long as they were thoroughly checked.
But if you really want to compare online to OTB, then be consistent.
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Wesley So on Lex Fridman
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P.P.S.
Interview while imprisoned
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Pablo Mercado: So what is your advice to the Filipino chess players?
Uncle Bobby Fischer: Filipino - My advice is to give up chess and take up Fischer Random.
- 2004Oct11, 15 years before nephew Wesley So became the inaugural WFRCC in CLASSICAL time controls.
@@nicbentulan what on Earth does any of this have to do with my comment about Kramnik not learning flagging techniques?
Kramnik: Last round they play much better than previous rounds.
Magnus and Hikaru: Well we're playing a sub 3000 rated player, so we're going to play the bongcloud opening.
Imagine being a waiter in a busy restaurant and having to take Kramnik's order
ahahah Russian Accent ' yesss id like the sea bass, with every single bone taken out, you see its interesting! because these chefs may be cheating! and only remove 99percent of the bones! this show's unequivocally at some point in making the dish, one or maybe even 2 of these chefs are cheating! considering they are suppose to be Michelin star level, this is very, interesting!!! ahah just tediously annoying ahah
"I found this stat which kinda confirms whatever point I'm trying to prove, therefore I'm right."
Very interesting logic 🧐
Confirmation bias on a platter
Needs to practise blitz commentary rather than endless classical commentary.
True
ahaha
Kramnik speaks so slowly that he's quite easy to understand when you play him back at double-speed.
Lmao I put it on double speed and was like "no he's not wtf" and then I realized 🤦🏻♂️
Virtually everyone can be understood at double speed, our brains can process language much faster than we talk.
Yes, this is at 1.5x, not 2x, it would be very noticable @@allancouceiro9255
I feel sorry for Kramnik. Imagine being so tedious that listening to you is just pure pain.
What are you about? I expected some unhinged bs, but so far he makes a lot of sense in this video
READ THIS BEFORE WATCHING THE VIDEO!!
0-15:00 Hikaru speeds up Kranmik video because it is unbearable to get through. Hikaru spends the time looking for anything of substance to share but finds nothing. If you watch this portion, you will likely go mad as Hikaru will repeat himself over and over like he has autism.
15:00-20:50 The actual analysis. And guess what, there’s nothing here. You will leave so unsatisfied that you may never return.
Good luck and God speed fellow UA-camrs.
my GOAT
he's not wrong.
I skipped around 7 times for 1 minutes before I closed the video
GOATED went to 13 minutes literally had a headache
I've never heard someone use so many words and say so little
In general agree- but listen to Donald Trump sometime
its normal in communistic (socialist/ democratic) countries :)
@@kineahora8736Yes, let's politicize everything while ignoring the senile criminal in the White House.
@@kit888chill nothing is getting better we get it. let me have my escapism for fucks sake take that shit to Reddit angry stranger😅
TDS much? He aint a saint but things were better when he was around @@kineahora8736
LOL does he really not understand that a OTB 2700 will basically not pay attention while playing an OTB 2300 in TT?
OTB 2300 in TT? what are these abbreviations?
@@Russellbeta otb 2300 = Over the board 2300, or someone who would be rated 2300 in in-person chess played on a real chess board. TT = Titled Tuesday the online weekly tournament
@@Russellbeta I don't really know the ratings in Titled Tuesday so I just used "standard" over the board ratings. TT ratings will be much higher, but the overall skill of the players will be about the same.
Nice to publish the averages without the number of games🙄- these differences might be completely statistically insignificant. Having seen some of Kramnik’s previous arguments it’s clear to me, he doesn’t understand the concept of statistical significance. Starting to say that these data completely prove his point, without any statistical significance data- error bars, etc. Totally doesn’t understand the concept of the null hypothesis.
also it seems like he just took one titled tuesday event and just speaking about that event, and these stats dont even make sense. there will be some players who perform exceptionaly one day and others will perform bad.
It’s amazing how many times he’s been told that he is not performing proper statistical analysis just to continue carrying on doing exactly the same things
This is old. The statistics is completely flawed as has been shown by many. He compares all days (7-10) with good days (11), so it comes out like this. If you do it right, no big deviations visible.
At his prime Kramnik was really good, but as time progressed he couldn't keep up with new players who grew up playing online and learning chess using engine lines. He just can't believe and accept some kid out of nowhere can defeat him..
Agree, this is it. He's at the kind of age when a lot of people are in denial about having lost anything since their youth and also jealous of young people. It's also the growing up with computers and instant evaluations etc., how could all that not make a big difference.
maybe younger people don't understand how strong kramnik is. we're not talking about just another top 5 elite here, he was an absolute monster for a long time. saying he's not that good is like saying magnus isn't that good. I'd rank him #3 or #4 strongest player in history, the only question is whether anand was stronger or not. we're not talking about like even alireza-level player here, kramnik was stronger.
so yes of course he's older and weaker now, and not very used to online yet (he's giving a lot of points by refusing to learn flagging strategies for example), but even at his weakest he shouldn't be getting outplayed by even the strongest kids. getting flagged is one thing, getting outplayed is a whole another.
@@babstra55nobody denies what he was. But that’s the keyword: *was*
@@dubyalast3734 do you think magnus is gonna be 2900 online in 15 years? because I don't. he might not be 3400 anymore at 48yo but he's still gonna be crushingly strong.
Also its not even so much about him getting weaker than young players all ovet the world getting stronger multiple timed faster than he did in his time due to more possibilites to play, better engines, etc. A 13 year old of today has played easily 100k more blitz games than Kramnik in his life and has especially played top players in Blitz more often due to TT. In the next years these youngest GM, youngest whatever elo records will be broken continuously. Alireza and Mishra are just the beginning...
bro proved that people try harder with prizes involved 🤯🤯
not only try.. sucess
Am I the only one who thinks this approach (in isolation) is credible? Incentives matter. It really reminds me of Freakonomics where they used econ analysis to actually catch cheating teachers in Chicago (iirc teachers had incentives to bump their students scores on standardized tests, and the data had outliers where students did poorly on the easy sections, and great on the hard sections, and they actually caught specific teachers changing the answers), and match throwing in Sumo (iirc you get thrown out of top level Sumo if your record dips below a threshold, and sumos who were at risk of elimination greatly overperformed, but only when facing a player who wasn't at risk. The player who threw earned a chance for reciprocity).
Presumably everyone tries harder. Remember, he's just going off of win-loss ratio here, and your opponent in round 11 is also trying harder than normal (presumably).
With some exceptions; yeah, sure, a few people crack under pressure and play worse (those would be the ones who perform at a lower rating in round 11). But I assume most people at that level can handle pressure, and the people who don't crack under pressure would occasionally get free wins over people who do crack.
In other words, the data I would expect to see is a few people with large negative scores (we see a few of them in this video) and lots of people with small positive scores. That would be my prediction.
The big positive performance shifts are suspicious.
I still have a lot of questions, like how big is the sample size, does he have a control group, and what does the control group look like? But yeah, if he can conclusively show that this isn't just random variance, he may have actually have found a small number of cheaters this time (the ones with massively positive scores in round 11 compared to rounds 7-10).
Everyone tries harder... What a stupid argument that is. Also you cant gain 200 blitz points on top level by trying harder lol
@@Dezu123 It doesn’t matter if everyone tries harder. He’s only comparing the rating of player 1 in rounds 7-10 to player 1 in round 11. Whether the guy he’s playing against plays 4000 elo chess or 2000 elo chess player 1 is still trying harder than in rounds 7-10 and is playing 150 elo points better. Just because someone gives more resistance in round 11 doesn’t mean that you can’t play better also.. lmao
He wears glasses, you know he’s right
does he know how pointless his yapping is. coulda shared the sheet, explained it, and be done w/ it in a literal minute.
Sample size god damnit... This is so stupid
One thing not taken into consideration on this by Kramnik is the higher end of players just under the super Gm level might struggle with accuracy in the early rounds playing wacky low elo players as the rounds go on the chess becomes more principled more within the prep/familiar range and less out the box awkward messy unusual positions. this would increase play level as accuracy would increase
Kramnik needs to factor in sample size. There will be a big variance for small samples
The best Chess players have exceptional memory Fact. I learnt my chess from books in the mid 60's and could memorise many openings and variations with ease . Surely a young player with a photographic memory preparing games with a computer will play computer moves , he is no more a cheat than you remembering a combination played by Karpov .Cheating has to be proved, my 10 yr old grandson who I taught crushes me Age diminishes memory Kramnick needs to realise he simply is not as good now .
he and anand did great in the couple of otb tournaments they played recently. they could still crush almost everyone. they're not that much weaker even in retirement.
Playing this video at 0.5 speed could cure worldwide insomia.
This comment made me laugh more than I've laughed in weeks for some reason
When he speaks I just hear low rumbling tuba notes.
All you need to cheat a little bit, to give yourself a small edge, is to recieve a signal that the opponent made a mistake. Could be a small one, but all you'd need to have an edge, is to know that there is a move, and that you need to look for it. I don't see how you prevent that. It could be a light, a sound, a vibration. The onpy way you could prevent that is to have both players play in a white room after undergoing an MRI.
Yeah if you base everything on a fact thst everyonr cheating with that same energy we should presume thst eceryone is capabale of domestic violence should we put one cop in every houshold to prevent violence?
@@dkurt2725
I'm going to quote back what you wrote to me:
"Yeah if you base everything on a fact thst everyonr cheating with that same energy we should presume thst eceryone is capabale of domestic violence should we put one cop in every houshold to prevent violence?"
The fact that you think this is a propper english sentence baffles me. You go from cheating with energy, to domestic violence, and then end your sentence with "should we put one cop in every houshold to prevent violence?". Are you insane? Perhaps you should give whatever you were trying to ask me another shot? Maybe then I can grasp what you were trying to ask...
Poor Kramnik has completely lost his mind.
Joining Putin and trump
Yes I agree, chess is pure and no one ever cheats or has ever cheated before
@@aaronmarchand999 chess have cheaters, but not everyone likes Kramnik thinks, he is old and crazy about that
Kramnik migt seem crazy, but there is a real cheating issue, so hes right. If you think there are no cheaters you're just confused. There are ways to cheat online without getting caught, especially if you're already a good player.
@@ruanpablo2082 no I don't believe there are cheaters because chess players are pure and innocent, kramnik is just a crybaby like magnus
To me that last column in his list is like a bell curve that shows avg overperformance in the last round at around 50-70 rating points (some higher some lower than ≈70) this seems like something you could expect if noone was cheating
exactly. and even the 70pts could be explained by lower opponents in round 7. a positive difference is to be expected.
This guy is an embarrassment to chess at this point..
One of the greatest players of all time. That’s like saying Fischer is an embarrassment to chess because of his comments on 9/11 and the JQ. No one says that. He is losing his mind but he isn’t an embarrassment to chess ffs
@@MrAM4D3U5 But everyone does say Fischer is an embarrassment to chess.... Kramnik has definitely become and embarrassment to chess.
I do agree it’s an embarrassment for chess community at this point. I have a huge respect for what he did and who he was, but I’m not longer calling this guy a gentleman no more. Shame on him!
@@MrAM4D3U5 also Fisher to me was much bigger deal than Kramnik is
this content is hilarious
Kramnik makes video.
Hikaru: Its milking time!!!!!
so he found out, that if players have chance for a prize, they play the game to win, if they dont have a chance they might make a draw and be over it. we never saw such anomaly in OTB. counting rating performance for 1 round is really stupid
Bro is onto nothing 🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥‼‼‼‼‼‼
Kramnik isn't mentally ill, he's just the classic Dunning-Kruger character. Since he's unable to recognise that he's no longer at his prime (~top 10 GOAT) and that chess has moved on since he retired, crying cheat is a perfectly natural reaction to getting his *ss handed to him by "average" players. And since he is partially right (cheating online IS a real problem), he takes the times people actually do cheat against him as complete vindication. He's a psychology professor's dream 😂
Data shows a few people who do bad under pressure. If there are people who crack under pressure than by definition there have to be people that perform better under pressure. If there was rampant cheating you would see a few outliers with really high performance in critical games, with relative reductions distributed randomly in accordance with the luck of getting paired against a cheater.
There is some kind of self selection here. Players who perform well on that day are more likely to end up competing for prices.
so basically kramnik has not heard of a thing called motivation for example?
20 min video actually feels like 2 hrs long
For round 7-10 players can get away with dubious openings & have some fun so of course they have a lower performance.
If you have top grandmasters fighting for prizes in the last round of titled Tuesday wouldn't they whip out a bit of better prep? Don't most guys play old prep in the first few rounds?
kramnik trying to be relevant in today's generation
I may misunderstand the methodology, but isn't there a flaw in the thought process?
If he takes rounds 7-10 over a huge number of events to eliminate he randomness of having a good day or a bad day, but then compares it to two different scenarios in round 11, I would expect the performance to be higher in money games in round 11. because the player clearly was having a good day. Otherwise they woudn't be in that situation in round 11. Shoudn't he compare performance of round 11 money games to performances in round 7-10 of those events to establish the probability of cheating in round 11 specifically?.
But then again, what If a player cheats in some 7-10 games to make it to the money but then stops using the engine to avoid suspicion? Maybe they are content with winning some money over all of it in exchange for the perceived security of flying more under the radar than as if they won the whole thing?
Lecturer of yappology in 0.25x
Magnus please stop cheating against Hikaru 😂
hes is missing a big factor which is human emotion also cant really use when playing for prize or coz that can affect how u play everyone plays to win but no matter who u r if money is involved ur mind works different
Is this Bogdan from breaking bad..?😂
I personally think it’s almost impossible to prove cheating given that most cheating comes down to 1-3 critical moments in a game and using and if you think about it, u can play good or bad, your opponent could play good or bad, different rated opponents, familiar vs unfamiliar openings and/or variations. The possibilities just seem endless and ppl might know they can get away with playing weaker players with less accurate play. Not to even mention that you could intentionally play some inaccuracies then use combinations a god level computer can only see and the end result could show lower accuracy levels which could indicate a lack of cheating.
The more I think about it the more I believe it’s not possible to accurately detect.
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What day did this stream happen?
Read soescriptipn
Nov 17 2023... according to the discription
He must have lost to Hans recently? Hikaru didn’t accuse Hans after the title Tuesday listening to SkyFall. Pretty amazing match.
I don't know how relevant this statistic might be. There are too many things that affect player performance and multiple ways to cheat.
A strong chess player can play bad or meme openings at the beginning, but play seriously in important games. Some players may not perform well under pressure. Sometimes both opponents play for a draw if a draw is enough.
On the other hand, a chess cheater may be able to see the evalation bar in all his games and know exactly when to take the time to find the best move.
Not to mention that statistics don't work well with small samples.
When you talk for an hour and say nothing, this is ridiculous.
Is it weird that players pay more attention during games with prizes ?
No. Everyone needs money to live
What an awful question. Please go sit in a corner and think about what you asked here.
Then why all the cheating at lower levels? There's no prizes, there's a deeper issue with people who cheat, it's not all about the money.
The GURU is starting to bring some data ...
LMAO
The reason why it is so important is that Kramnik didn't just provoke Hikaru, he tried to distroy Hikaru's chess life and undermine Hikaru's whole work throughout the history of modern chess. Now, since Kramnik tried to destroy Hikaru, Hikaru can do the same. You are a grown man Kramnik, and you are responsible for your words. I hope when this drama is all over, Kramnik retire from Chess once and for all.
Yes fr, bro is disgusting
um, kramnik didn't even name hikaru, right? it was hikaru who named himself after seeing the ratings. and yeah of course others could've figured it out as well, but it wasn't kramnik who first named names. he was clearly making an effort to not name names.
@@babstra55 He referred to certain win streak, at certain rating. So, just because he didn't name anyone doesn't mean he didn't actually mean Hikaru.
I had to slow it down to 75%😆
No one has defied! what is a Cheating move computer move Brilliant move
I ceased to pay any attention to Kramnik when he accused Hikaru of cheating based on Hikaru winning 46 or 47 games in a row when he was farming. Duh. Anyone who doesn't understand the concept of 'context' isn't worth my time.
He never accused Hilary of cheating
@@rodneyfungus8249Your slow you'll keep up buddy.
Magnus trolls all the way to the finals and then turns on the engine 😅
Kramnik has some valid observations and even asks some good questions, but his confirmation bias skews him to such a degree that he literally can not, and will not, accept any explanation other than "cheating".
16:00 Tsk tsk tsk.... Hikaru need to perform better under pressure~ haiya~
Kramnik's videos have no facts and no substance. Would it make sense just to ignore him?
This would be completely different if these people weren't the best players in the world that everyone has watched play incredible chess LIVE.
LET IT GO!
Ceiling san cheating on Hikaru
Literally, all I hear is Blah,Blah,Blah. This guy is such an embarrassment.
I just had a 90% accuracy game but some I’m like 40%. people can have some good and bad games/days 😭
For Christ's sake, he makes it so painful. PUBLISH A PEER-REVIEWED PAPER. There is a long-established format for sharing data, methodologies, conclusions, and caveats in such a way that people can objectively evaluate your work. It's called PUBLISHING A PAPER. It is not called DRONING ON FOR AN HOUR IN A VIDEO BEFORE GETTING TO THE POINT.
Peer reviewed papers used to be meaningful. Now they get you tampons in the men’s room
So it's invalid because it is using the whole data instead of cherry picking. Oh well...
White hats have spoken
Kramnik is the worst cheater in the history of chess.
It's not to strange to think that after a grueling tournament that someone would play harder if they have a chance at an incentive or prize than if they were out of the money and just want to wrap things up. Not sure exactly how this proves cheating?
@5:16 : I resign Hikaru ! ... I already watched many videos about cheating (by Kramnik and others) but now I am done. It is a never ending story because if there are no move from online chess platforms, ..., videos about "expectations" or "reviews about expectations" is not what I need to watch. Timestamps in editing your videos is a basic, you might think about.
Well, in ANY given 1 game, you will either over perform, under perform or about the same.. what happened to the people like nr18 who performs 150 below?? Did they reverse-cheat?😂
Yes I agree with everything but as u move up to higher levels of chess your game will and can and or be up to that performance this is normal but the real numbers are in multi games multi openings multi tatics into the heart of the game in this way for u still have to match the key moves of that game if it even proved anything at all for in that moment a easy mistake could be made that a 1800 player could even see,so all these things have to be looked at and there u can find your real math guy do your forensics 😊
Tell you where he talks about "stuff" that's pretty much the jist of what he says... stuff
I just think all of these cheating accusations out of nowhere are a little ridiculous. Cheating is an issue but it’s so random and weird.
Change the engines.
This is largely flawed as players like you play inferior more dubious openings at the beginning against significantly lower rated players hoping to confuse and win. While at the end they would play their main openings and possibly prep idea lines if they can win some $$$
getting tired of Kramnik
Holding about as much water as Alexander Smirnov at this point🤣🤣🤣
Can't keep watching after only 1 minute lol, see yaa
What is blud whaffling about? If you were cheating in titled tuesday events and you lost the chance to win anything, why continue playing at all? Just exit the event.
Also, if you are legit and no longer have a chance to win prizes, you aren't going to be as focused. Absolute whaffle stats.
he should use his smarts, time and energy doing something that helps humanity, not this.
A Truth Serum administered intravenoulsy before every match!!! Just the Truth, the Whole Truth...!
Cheating seems like a lot work for nothing ?
Imagine being Kramnik 😂
i would kill myself
Interesting.
Spent 45 minutes saying absolutely nothing
GD his ability to take 1 hour to say things that could be said in 3 minutes is epic.
From my limited experience, Hikaru doesn't seem good enough at verbal deception to be defending himself so effortlessly while also having cheated. He's not emotionally invested, he's milking it for content, and I don't think Hikaru could do that if he was actually cheating. This is a positive trait, of course.
That's not a scientific approach, but evidence would need to be pretty conclusive to convince me to start considering the possibility.
One of the few things that Kramnik has correct is that no-one should be above scrutiny - we need to be willing to question statistical anomalies such as a 45 game winning streak against apparently high rated players.
Questioning is one thing though - it reflects poorly on his character when he fails to accept perfectly reasonable answers (for apparently personal reasons) such as the case with Hikaru.
Who's wasting whose time? Lovin the irony. ;)
'you won't use engine when you are not fighting for prize' is a bad presumption. When you have a smoking gun, you can know for sure someone is cheating. When you don't have a smoking gun, but someone plays top engine move every move in every game, it's not proof but it becomes super unlikely that someone is playing fair, to the point that you could take it as proof. Because there is just too much difference between how an engine plays and how a human plays. So in those two cases, you are dealing with people who are bad at cheating. Catching those cheaters isn't a big problem. The problem comes when someone is actually good at hiding the cheats. I imagine the cheaters that are hard to catch aren't morons. They will use the engine assistance sporadically, even when facing lesser players, to stay consistent and to make Kramniks way of catching cheaters pretty useless. There is simply no way of dealing with cheaters that aren't morons. Accusing without proof only makes for a toxic culture in the chess world. Accept this, and don't accuse without actual proof. Saying you have 'interessting data' is pointless. Either you have PROOF or you have nothing at all. There will still always be cheaters, and there is nothing you can do about it if you don't have proof. What you can do something about, is punishing people who are accusing without proof. Because cheaters brings forth TWO problems. The cheaters themselves, and people who accuse without proof. Logically, there are many more accusers than there are actual cheaters. The problem starts with cheaters, but that problem soon becomes overshadowed by the problem of accusers. Eventually, the accusers deal a bigger blow to the chess culture than the cheaters themselves.
A different game.
Online chess and OTB chess are two totally different disciplines.
Classic, rapid and blitz, team, 4x player and freestyle are variants within these disciplines.
I think it is pretty obvious...
If yoi play online, you are more likely to encounter a cheat.
Why?
It is harder to police.
Chess is still brilliant.
To play and to watch.
Peace out ✌️
They sent out people in person to watch GM Jose Martinez play Titled Tuesday and he finished second. Mr Kramnik you still refuse to believe he’s not cheating. It’s the same thing you did to Hikaru, #3 in the world who plays plays bullet and blitz every single day but you continued to accuse him of cheating. There is no doubt there is cheating going on and I applaud you for fighting it but you need to be careful who you accuse.
This. It astounded me that Kramnik refused to even acknowledge that those “very interesting” winning streaks of Hikaru’s were streamed from beginning to end. He could’ve gone and watched them, seen if he was constantly looking away from the board right before making a key move, or was clicking around without any moves being played that the viewer could see (indicating Hikaru could be instead moving pieces on a board with an engine).
Or, maybe he did go rewatch, couldn’t find anything, and decided just to ignore it since it didn’t help his case.
@@dubyalast3734As well I’ve seen some uninformed watchers jumping on the “Hikaru is cheating” bandwagon when he looks anywhere but straight ahead. People need to examine his body of work over time - both OTB and online.He often looks off into space, generally to his right or up and right, when he’s calculating. It’s pretty common among elite players. It’s how they play blindfold simuls. They don’t have to look at the board to “see” the board.
Kramnik belongs in prison
Of course their is cheating in chess. Where there is money (and perhaps even when there isn't) there is cheating. In sports, in business, in life...people cheat. So to think that somehow chess players have some noble code of not cheating is extremely naive....top players have even been caught in the act of doing it ffs !
no substance. at all
Womp womp
Is he the Batman of chess cheating or the boy who cried wolf?? 🤣
He’s bozo the clown
uuuggh ......he's now the rambling conspiracy nut job.
Dudes getting old and washing up and stays mad he can’t keep up with up and coming talent…. Salty is a good look for him
Yes but okay
lol, hes still at it?