Dear 48 Hours, What happened to the Live to Tell Series? I am looking for the Krystal Surles Courage full video and can't find it. They have several short one but the one you did on her full story was so inspiring and I would like to see it again and share it with my friends. She was such a brave young girl and has grown into a strong woman full of courage.
@user-rp8gk3un5o I completely agree! How she can function in life let alone carry on seemingly care free is absolutely beyond me!! I wouldn't be able to even remotely function...then again, I would have never done it in the first place.
@@5cabron2what could have been worse? If they all had been killed than at least they would have been "innocent" but like this? Knowing they plotted this? That is incredibly terrible!
Obviously selfish narcissistic. The value of money was greater than life. Sad because the other two kids have no mother or father. There’s no love for those kids
@alienprepper5918 if you don't wanna pay child support, win custody, fight tooth n nail for your kids. Or pay what you have to pay, the end of the day children are not pawns in people's divorce games, they're not weapons and shouldn't be used as such.
There’s no way that ANYONE even a spouse should be able to cremate someone’s remains when they died under suspicious circumstances, ESPECIALLY when the family is saying so themselves
If you like the format, there are podcasts for 20/20, 48hours, Dateline, and many others. It’s just the audio but it’s easy to follow I think. Just a thought for a fellow enjoyer 😊
I can’t even imagine how devastated Karrie’s sisters must be knowing that they not only lost their sweet mother but that their Dad was responsible and their sister was the accomplice. Their whole entire family demolished in one day. Can you imagine knowing your sister was there to watch over you while their father killed their mother!? Makes me sick!
@Carmel Delaney maybe she wanted approval. Or.. maybe she was too young to know the severity of consequences. I don't know I'm at the beginning 😕. I gotta keep watching .
@@vissitorsteve no it’s not. This is an issue of moral competency. She knows the difference between right and wrong. This is how they’re able to convict even those who are mentally ill but guilty
i can't understand why she didn't tell her mother immediately what the dad was proposing. does this mean that his life was more valuable than her mother's in her eyes?🤔
@@ybbahsetteval then y is he in 100k debt , 6k a month is liker 4or5 fold an average wage and about 10-15 fold what child support should be greed killed this woman
@@austinvolzke8026 didn't you hear the phone calls between her and her dad that the cops were tapped into? She didn't give a damn and she helped him. Please don't be fooled by the killers cries.
@@Lena-so2lq I wouldn't for mine either, but nor would have I condoned her end being the same as that poor woman's. In fact if she'd died like that I would have found it immensely disturbing and distressing. That daughter is one cold cold fish.
Yeah, it is rough to hear. Cringe ! But by the end I'm crying for her mom and Karrie & her sisters. This stuff never bothers me anymore. I know Lloyd is handwashing his boyfriend's boxers and other wifey things now though. So yay! Michelle! Lloyd Suck...
I felt that way, too, at first. But, then, I thought of Michelle, who had given the ultimate price, and thought what Michelle would have wanted was the best. It is still possible for Karrie to learn from this and live a decent, good life, which is what Michelle would have wanted. I am glad she served time, though. That was just.
@@nicandromartinezsotelo3300 I hear you, Nicandro. I believe God is a God of mercy, and if she could go on and live a humble and transformed life, then that would be better than another life wasted.
@@jeweliedee4299 that's easy to say every criminal should be in the streets because God is a God of mercy, she didn't care of her mother's life and pain...she not only lie, she facilitated and conspired to get rid of her mother.
She calmly and coldly murdered her mother planning and detailing it out with her father,, no amount of manipulation, no amount of tears would hide that fact... Hearing her discussing with her father in that call,,, shows exactly how determined she was....
@Katelyn Nelly The answer is easy, her father asked her "could u cry" Karrie answered "I might" now we know why she could switch from crying her crocodile tears to normal she was in cahoots with her father they should both fry
Picking your dad over your mom is one thing, but to decide to let your mom get murdered over your dad killing his self is another. She was old enough to know that it was wrong of her Dad to say that and to do that.
Kerri got away much too easily. She was 19 years old. She was in college, smart enough to know killing her mother was wrong. Parental alienation is a weak excuse. Lloyd was indeed a cold manipulator Kerri was under his control, but she still knew her mother would be murdered, yet she chose to participate in the killing. Her grandmother, DA, and judge let her get off with a slap on her hand. Incredible.
I think the daughter deserved a much longer sentence. Her mother only gave her love and also fought for her children. After all this, to actually help her father to string up the body. It's so totally unbelievable
That daughter was a victim of brainwashing and narcissism...and is more complicated than "black and white" thinking. But yes, she made the action after all shes been put through .....I feel for her.
The daughter was manipulatively abused by someone who is supposed to love her the most. Year after year during her developmental stages, she had a parent who little by little taught her that he was right, he was safe, that her mom was the enemy. It’s all his fault, not hers. When you’re in your early 20s and still dependent on your parents, you trust them. And even though there are red flags, you choose to trust them because you love them. And you love them because they are supposed to be loving you, and most of the time they appear to be loving you. As someone who has been abused and manipulated (but have been out of that situation for going on 6 years now), it still hurts when I hear the question “why did you stay with him?” We can’t keep placing blame on the victim. The abuser is crafty, is smart. They know exactly how to manipulate and brainwash at just the right pace and with just the right words and when you are at your most vulnerable. They’re sociopathic pariahs. All of their actions are self-motivated and self-serving. This poor girl. She has been hurt for so long and has lost so much. May the Lord bless her life.
@@leahjacoboski2785i think your personal experience is making you too sensitive to someone who aided in the death of the person who brought her into this world. While she was manipulated by dad mom was also active in her life and she STILL choose to help her dad end mom.
I hate to say this, but I believe Karrie picked up manipulative behaviors from her father, and was able to get out of a lifetime sentence. Listening to the recordings of the conversations with her father, planning what to say to investigators, made my stomach turn. She did not sound remorseful at all. It also seemed strange how her demeanor would fluctuate between tears and then completely sound and put together during her 911 call. I am only a spectator. May GOD have mercy on her.
She should have gotten 15-25 years for her part. The fact that she talked about turning on the tears for her questioning shows are complicit she was with her father
15-25 years because you choose to interpret her answer to "Could you cry?" - *"I might"* - as "talking about turning on the tears"? That's what I'd get for raping and murdering a random woman for sport. Not defending her - I'd have to walk a mile in her shoes before I could judge - but honesty when I heard her say that (not knowing what her involvement was) her words and tone seemed like she meant she might ACTUALLY cry without trying. I just went back to 23:11 knowing what I now know and it still sounds that way. I'm not religious - and clearly you aren't either - but I do like the theme, the not being so quick to cast stones, the forgiving yadda yadda. Damn dude, she's a teenage girl brainwashed to hate her mum, living with the 'perfect' dad she adores and one day he says he can't pay mum anymore and is taking a header off a parking garage unleeeeeesss... I'd need to walk more than just ONE mile in her shoes to get how messed up that made her 😥
I think a life in prison is adequate. I mean, she did this to her own mother... Imagine what she could do to others. It's just unfathomable... Some people got a life sentence for just being a part of a robbery that went wrong and a person got killed (and they didn't actually participate in the robbery nor killing, they were just there, and they were minors), she participated in all this with a premeditation. She should be locked up for good. It makes me mad she wasn't...
Life is the right sentence for her, she was downstairs while she knew his father was killing her mother, and the she help to put the rope and help him with the dead body, and no remorse when talking about that. No she cry because she got caught, she cry no for the poor mother she cry for her self. Life in prison is the right sentence for her.
I’m not convinced for a second that daughter was just brainwashed. She wasn’t 5 year old, but an adult who could make distinction between right and wrong. It’s one thing to prefer one parent over the another, but whole another to assist killing one parent. Unforgivable
That is totally false. If teenagers can be brainwashed by their friends to do stupid things , then it surely wouldn't be that hard for her father to do so. She was vulnerable and abused into a state of mind that led her to what she did. Everything to her was about pleasing the father. U can clearly see in the years before the death she was manipulated into opening a case against her mom
I was thinking along those lines too!! Moving into a new student apartment as a young adult, rather than a infant child!! May her Mothers soul rest in peace 🙏⚘️
Kerrie was an accomplice. She’s as sociopathic as her father. She was an adult - 19? Absolutely an accomplice. She deserved much more than she got. I feel sorry for her sisters and mothers parents. For her ? No sympathy whatsoever.
i have no sympathy for her either; people like her make me sick. i would do anything to have my mom back and you have people like her killing theirs. smdh🤬🤬
Parent alienation is horrible. My husband did the same thing by mentally abusing me while doing everything positive for my daughter, purchasing her very expensive gifts, taking her to fun places while I worked or in bed from depression. Yes, she needed to pay a longer price but she most definitely needs extensive mental therapy. It could lead her to always feel in back of mind that is okay to live out the same pattern with others.
daughters learn from their dad's and are in competition with mother from such a young age. even if their dad's ain't there, they will blame their mothers. same with lads but they are one with the mother and in Competition with dad. so I can understand why she would go with her father's plan... she will be at one with her dad so if he killed himself, she would die also.. he caused in her Stockholm syndrome. that can be cured. hopefully it is that cause she didn't get long sentence.
She was extremely manipulated by her psycho father. She deserved punishment, and she also deserved a second chance. 19 is only an adult legally, our brains, especially the parts of it that process emotions and make decisions, are not fully developed until around 25. She was a child, shaped by her father, just like all other children and he father took advantage of her naivety and adoration of him. He victimized her just as he did Michelle, and now she has to live with what she has done. That is enough. I will give her a break.
No she wasn't a child but the manipulation started when she was. He is 100% responsible and this girl will have to live with this the rest of her life. This whole story is horrendous!
@@canduscanty8583 yeah right?? Vulnerable to the point : from crying to normal tone during 911 call. then asked the dad.."should I Cry".then laughing.. Sick of her acting skills. I think she knew damn well what she was doing
The daughter only getting 1-3 years for her mothers death is a slap in the face to her mothers legacy . She was the gateway for her father mothering her mother. They both are manipulative. She was laughing and enjoying life before she got caught. She even said she would try to cry. She can save those crocodile tears!
Too much lenience shown for the daughter. I think she was just rewarded for cooperating with the prosecution against her father. She deserved a harsher punishment 100%
Parental alienation cannot explain the psychopathic behaviour exhibited by Karrie. For example when she says to her father on the phone 23:17 "That would be a dream" if the investigators left them alone and they could carry on their lives, she says it in a breezy tone and it paints a picture of a bright, untroubled future without the least taint of guilt or remorse.
I was a victim of parental alienation as a child (from my mother towards my father) and i agree. yes, i did feel contempt and other complicated things, but i would have never hurt him under any circumstances, because i still felt a basic level of empathy that all humans feel. this girl was a victim of parental alienation but there was obviously something else going on too, she is a psychopath
Well, I think it is very much possible. When the person who is supposed to teach u right from wrong, who is considered 2nd to god tells u something repeatedly u start to believe it. It is not black and white. You can’t really comprehend unless u have been in the situation.
If that girl can do that to her own mother... and get away with it. I can’t imagine what she’s able to do to another person. She needs to be locked up.
Agree. I would not trust her ever again, especially after the conversation on the phone with her father. She was into it. Nobody could have turned me against my mother or father. I would have shared with someone. I would have sat down both with me or, if I feared they would attack each other, talked to a doctor about my fear.
2 things can be true. He emotionally abused and alienated his daughters AND Karrie is a bad human being that stood by while her mother was being murdered. Karrie isn't a victim here. She stopped being one when she helped throw her mother over the stair banister.
Letting her father into the house was more consequential than helping him set the scene. For sure she did a terrible thing but I don't think people can imagine what it's like to be manipulated and groomed by your own father, and what a malign influence that could be. The truth is that she was part victim and part perpetrator.
@@simonw1313 she's cold and remorseless. She could have stopped this from happening. She's only concerned with the insurance money and maybe being with her father.
It’s an absolute disgrace that Kerrie got such a lenient sentence! Watching her interrogation she’s not a stupid little girl, she’s certainly able to manipulate, attend and help with her mothers death. She knew exactly what she was doing and even discussed on the phone with her father more than once , about what to say to the police. She instigated a lot of those calls. Don’t believe that she’s innocent just because it’s hard to believe that a daughter would do this.
she was manipulated. Being manipulated could make a person do crazy things, especially at 19. Even as adults, we’re so easily manipulated to think certain things are right and others are wrong. She was young naive and was raised to hate her mother. On top of all of that manipulation and hatred, Her father gave her an ultimatum. She will live the rest of her life with that burden, I think the judge made the right choice.
@@hdres90 I agree with you. Her father made her chose between himself and her mother. Had she just chose her mother, she would most likely still have 2 parents! Her father is an awful human being and now this poor girl is going to have to live with the trauma of what her father made her do. And now she has to live with being involved in her own mothers death and with her fathers being the one who manipulated her…. Very sad for that girl to me. I think she’s already serving a life sentence whether she is free or not!
@@hdres90 Funny how all the supposed manipulation ended when she was facing a long prison sentence, she dropped her Dad in it without much hesitation. A truly brainwashed person would not do that and remember she was living an independent life away from her father so just where did the manipulation happen at that stage of her life. She is a gutless wonder, a witch in appearance with a self-inflated ego thinking she is something special which she is certainly not. She should be locked up for life
@@hdres90 I absolutely agree with you and it's appalling to see all the likes of the ice cold and ignorant comment above yours. This is exactly how a brainwashing is done. Karrie is a victim to.
Yeah but it sounds like the father had been treating his daughters the same way he had been their mother. Using the courts to hurt the mother and then running back to the daughters playing victim and hero like 'look I'm trying to protect yous but the courts just won't help me'. Sick parents like that out there, and if you've been raised by one like that, you'd know how easy it is to think this person would stop hurting me if they were able to be happy without this 'problem' (the mother) getting in the way. I know it's hard to fathom but it is really like that and that feeling doesn't just go away with age.
To be downstairs looking after her little sister while her dad killed her mum??? This is as disturbing as it gets. She could have and should have gone to the police beforehand. She’s an adult ffs. My heart breaks for Karries mother. She seems like such a kind soul. She’s lost her daughter because of her granddaughter.
This poor woman. After all she’d been through, surviving this scumbag, the tumultuous custody case, and thinking Lloyd had given up and walked away…only to have him be the last wretched face she saw as he killed her. Just unbelievable.
Wow I can't believe Kerri got a slap on the hand while she watched her mother being murdered, helped during the before and after process and helped to try and cover it up. That's insane.
I’m pretty sure her and the dad were in a ‘relationship.’. when fathers twist their daughter’s minds like that at a very young age it teaches the females to be sinister liars and manipulators themselves, if it doesn’t destroy them. not every victim lets themselves suffer the pain and heal - they can become very cold like their perpetrators.
I like the police chief for catching that she may have been attacked from behind. Thank God he was paying attention to the details and didn’t just blow it off as a suicide.
I wish she had done it too. But, I know that children at that age can be badly manipulated. It is difficult for people who have not encountered such cases to understand her action.
She might have known it was wrong but the one person who helped teach her right from wrong obviously played with her and all she was raised to believe. I believe had she not went through helping her father, he would have murdered her as well.
I was a damn wild child, even through half of college. I could never imagine murdering ANYBODY, let alone a parent. Self defense or the defense of a loved one might be the exception. Her father is a narcissistic sociopath, Kerri definitely inherited it.
Defense of a loved one is exactly what he used to manipulate her. He was going to die after all if she didn't get involved. He is just as important to her as her mother.
@@TomikaKelly The sister is as guilty as the father. I am also wondering about the youngest daughter, I understand she's a minor and needs to be protected, but is it really possible that she went through all that happened that night without realizing what was going on? She was 14, not 2...
The whole Idaho 4 murders has gotten me into "True Crime" but man, its depressing. If you watch too much of it your whole interpretation of the human condition changes for the worse
the grandmother is damaging this girl's ability to have a moral backbone by asking the sentence to be lowered. Her feeling of loneliness after losing the daughter may impair her judgement, but horribly damaged her daughter's legacy. She should get accounted for
Karrie should have gotten more. She certainly can switch from pretend crying to being just fine quickly. She was an adult. She could have done things to stop it.
@@karaDee2363 the pervasive cult of victimhood that is omnipresent throughout society these days is so disgusting People who refuse to take accountability & others like you who make excuses for them
Nahhhh. That wire tapped phone call told me all I needed to know about Karrie's mindset. She wasn't sorry her mom was killed she was sorry she got caught! Absolutely despicable she got a slap on the wrist.
This is the saddest case I have seen in a long time. Seeing the clips of Michelle raising Karrie when she was a baby were heartbreaking💔 to think her baby she loved so much would one day turn her back on her and help end her life. It’s unthinkable. Karrie should of gotten at harsher sentence for sure, if I was her grandmother I would be scared what she is capable of.
I was crying when they showed the tapes of her mom feeding her as w baby...unbelievable what happened years after. I think the daughter is as narcissistic as her father.
These young people think that sex is the answer. That's what drew them together, then they marry, have children, need to pay bill's, become a "responsible" adult. Reality sets in and they are not prepared to deal with it. My advice to these young teens; enjoy being single. Get educated, travel, save money...don't rush to grow up. You are only young once....you will be old for the rest of your life.
@@aizenosaimafidon1119 The OP seems to be blaming the parents for what happened since they had sex early, married really young and had children right out of high school. Tone deaf and lacking in empathy* for Michelle. In hindsight, would this dead mom regret her choices had she survived? Seems like a dumb thing to ponder since nothing can bring her back. 😕 Edited: meant empathy not envy.
@@anitakoch3895 No one knows if they're made for it until they're actually in it. It seems like you and those that agree with the OP lack empathy and wisdom to understand and draw better conclusions. 🙄 Gods, asteroids and black holes, humanity is such a dysfunctional mess.
The manipulation of parents on their children is one of the strongest “bonds“ there are with parents and children. Mothers manipulate their sons and daughters, fathers manipulate their daughters and sons and this has been going on for thousands of years. We judge her by her age, yet that manipulation started when she was a young teen.
Dang! That one State Trooper straight up pulled a Terry Tate on that cowardly, sociopathic father!! That was so awesome that I re-watched that a few times 😂
She is lying. I believe she was manipulated but unfortunately she became the same monster. Her grief was all an act. Did you hear how quickly her act changed when they asked about her sister?
Imagine walking into a house and seeing a person just standing there, completely still and then realizing she's dead.. horrifying. Such a sad and crazy story. Evil knows no bounds.
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If Karrie is my sister I don't think I will be happy to welcome her home from jail. There will be a huge gap between me and her and will probably takes time to heal. Would be nice if she serve at least 10 years in prison so she would have more time to feel sorry and perhaps changes for the better. I will never feel safe beside her. She's an evil person. I watched the whole show and I don't care if she was brain washed by her father the fact that she was an adult and help her father killed her mom makes her a murderer.
Carrie knew about Lloyd’s plans beforehand. She could have/ should have notified Michelle or the authorities and both parents would still be alive. She had options. She’s as guilty as Lloyd.
The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. We’ll see if Karrie has the criminal heart and mind of her father. So much about this says she does. I think her tears were because she got caught, not because she regretted her actions.
That is EXACTLY what I said too! That she isn't upset because this happened! She's upset and crying because she knows it's over and they got found out.... I mean when you hear her talking to her Dad in those recordings, you can hear that she didn't give a crap that that happened to her Mom. She's talking to the guy that killed her Mom like everything is great between them. So that just shows her callousness! I don't think she cared that her Dad did that at all! So yeah I 100% agree with you on your comment about her....
She should have a VERY long sentence. Because even IF she is really manipulated, that means she's vulnerable to manipulation. Other people can easily manipulate her to do horrible things for them. She's better off in prison her whole life to protect other innocent people from her.
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The discussion between the father & daughter about crying is very telling on the daughter. I think she was more involved and narcissistic like her father. She only turned against her father to save herself.
This case is wild. No normal person, with a relatively normal childhood would agree to killing of their mother! Even a thought of that is sickening and enraging. This is just absolutely chilling, she's surely a psychopath. All the crying is staged
I wasn't sure. I thought with the "that would be the dream" she might be trying to please her dad (might be schaed of him). Until I heard the "I put her in the car". That seemed so cold, also very different from the desperate crying moments before. I do think she's a psychopath and a dangerous one at that..
She was obviously a Daddy’s girl but Jeez this is an absolute nightmare. I can’t believe she helped him. He NEVER should’ve put his daughter in that position knowing she was having issues with her Mom 🙄 God Bless her Mom
Yeah.It’s not like Kerrie was afraid of her mother or in any danger. She was an adult when she committed the crime and knew her mother loved her. But then again, as an adult who used to be a daddy’s girl, I can tell you that my mom instilling fear in me for God really saved us from chaos. I was a dangerous person
The daughter is utterly disgusting... killing your own Mother?? And then joking about it afterwards with her Father... crocodile tears looking for sympathy afterwards in the interrogation room. And, I believe the 14 year old daughter knew what was going down too; she heard her parents arguing so knew he was in the house... and suddenly your Mother is dead... what a bizarre family. The worst of it all is that Karrie walks free amongst us... as a cold-blooded killer!
@@mercedeswestbrook4356 Absolutely, it doesn't matter if it's even about the safety of her mom or anybody's else...she showed who she was, and should have been kept away from people for quite some time, the fact that her father is a monster doesn't mean she isn't a one after all.
Exactly, I mean, aren't most of these monsters a product of their environment? So ok yeah it is awful that she was raised by that man but doesn't disqualify her from being a monster. Bundy was seriously abused, don't hear these nuts whining about poor Bundy. @@woman290
Are you kidding me?! Did you listen to the wire tap tapes? That girl knew exactly what she was doing, and did not care one bit! I agree he had convinced her that her mom was the enemy, probably from a young age. Unfortunately that happens all the time one parent playing a child off of the other. But, all that means is that she knew what she was doing, And was fine with it because she hated her mom. She clearly was not remorseful, felt no sense of shame or feeling that she did something wrong on those tapes. She was calm and trying to figure out how best to spin her story to the police. That interview was pathetic she was clearly faking it she had said she was going to try to cry. I cannot believe she only got a few years. If she had been a male, the sympathy would not have been there. Unbelievable she should still be in jail. And what about the other two girls? Are they convinced also their sister was manipulated, where is the remorse and pity and anger for their mother? This is disgusting
I met a friend of a friend in Sacramento years ago at a BBQ. Two weeks later he killed his wife and tried to get his teenage daughter to take the blame. He told her she wouldn’t do much time if convicted, but he would, so she should tell the cops she did it. She came clean to the police and he went to prison. I’ll never forget it.
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telling mom, and the police, is exactly what i would've done. why she didn't, it makes me wonder what kind of relationship she and her mother really had? its kids like her that make me thankful that i don't have any🙏
Because he has groomed her , her whole life, so it was easy for them to fell into lock step, I can see how this could happen I've grown up with groomers and it's very hard to no who you are and trust your own thoughts because someones always told you who you should be, and what you should think and feel , you will do things you dont want to just to make them happy, because its always about their happiness, if they're happy your happy if their not your not, having said that, there is still no excuse for what she did to her beautiful mother, she still would have known right from wrong, but she loved her father more, he make sure of that!
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Watching this type of horror stories make me so grateful for the set of parents that God blessed me with. We’ve got everything we need, my parents would have misunderstandings every once in a while but I’ve never saw them hit or physically hurt each other. I’ve never heard them curse at each other.
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It's indesputable that the man is a POS....however, no one can't tell me that at her age, we don't know the difference between right and a VERY wrong. Now, I know about pressure, persuasion, etc, etc, etc...but we do KNOW those differences. On such a BIG request from her father....she didn't think about asking anyone else what to do or even telling someone about all of this?
The grandmother clearly has a double standard for accountability of the two people who murdered her daughter. I would never want such a granddaughter in my life-would make me sick every time I looked at her.
I'm so thankful that I decided to remain single for life after growing up with an abusive Father. My Mother moved out with my brother and me when I was 11. She always reminded me about how important education is. She's a retired lecturer. She told me that I must always be able to take care of myself and to never depend on a man to survive. I now have my own place and I live alone with my cat comfortably. We have food and the bills are always paid on time. Thank you Mummy. 🙏🏾
I used to be a lot like that, but it led to a lot of filling mental holes with drugs and sex. I had a uniquely ugly couple of years and it changed the way I saw everything. I started considering my nature in everything I do (and everything I work to make myself want to do) Though that, I've learned today to derive all of my satisfaction in life from pursuing the goal of one day replacing myself with the most perfect humans I possibly can-by any means and any sacrifice as I will consider them to be a true extension of myself. ....And really, living for only myself like I was, I felt like was honestly just pure hedonism-and it left me with no good stopping point to anythng I ever pursued. It isn't just the fear of dying in a state hospital hoping someone visits me, but also so I don't have to fear death at all, knowing that everything I am won't completely end on the day and be forgotten forever.... To be clear though, when you say you don't depend on a man to survive, do you just mean maintaining material wealth and stability (like rent, car payments, etc.)? .... Or do you also mean not relying on men for your far more valuable emotional stability? Because unless you are sexually abstinent, you are still relying on a man for that far more critical aspect of life....with the biggest difference.being the lack of any real loyalty from the man in your life at any given time.
I love this for you. Not everyone needs to be a stay at home mom with 5 kids. Not everyone needs a partner. Some people have trouble believing that tho, as you can see in the above comments.
You can certainly have a fulfilling career, kids, material comfort, and a husband who will support and accompany you all throughout your life. That is the most ideal, for sure
She’s 18 years old , she’s an adult & she can say no .. For the fact that she acts like her dad made her pick him or manipulate her is complete Bs ! She helped move her mothers body with her father & the fact that they BOTH laughed on the phone call that they had says a lot .. 2-3 years is not enough for a sick twisted little girl 👌🏻😑
Grandma is a pillar of a saint ❤ Without her there wouldn't be understanding of life and sanity. She is only one who can shed light on these young girls, give them hope. God bless you❤
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Disappointed all of the video have a common theme. There are many other victims...... that look different not included in this list.
hei, what was that episode featured at the end of this video?
Teaching at a local college is a instructor not a professor.
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Dear 48 Hours, What happened to the Live to Tell Series? I am looking for the Krystal Surles Courage full video and can't find it. They have several short one but the one you did on her full story was so inspiring and I would like to see it again and share it with my friends. She was such a brave young girl and has grown into a strong woman full of courage.
I cannot even begin to imagine the sense of betrayal the mom felt in her last moments!
More than Ive experienced 💔
Well said! Her mom died knowing her daughter had betrayed her. What a tragedy. How can Karrie live with herself? I don't get it, at all.
@user-rp8gk3un5o I completely agree! How she can function in life let alone carry on seemingly care free is absolutely beyond me!! I wouldn't be able to even remotely function...then again, I would have never done it in the first place.
💔
@@dionnedunsmore9996 This is not about you though, with due respect...
I can’t help but hurt for the younger sister. She lost her whole family in the worst way possible.
It could have been worst.
@@5cabron2what could have been worse?
If they all had been killed than at least they would have been "innocent" but like this? Knowing they plotted this? That is incredibly terrible!
@@5cabron2exactly it could of been worse even though this is seriously bad it could have been worse
@@5cabron2
😊Ppd😊plp
No, she didn't... She still has one more sister.
As a dad to 2 girls, even if I hated their mother, I love my kids too much to take that away from them. This man didn't love his kids, he loved money.
Obviously selfish narcissistic. The value of money was greater than life. Sad because the other two kids have no mother or father. There’s no love for those kids
Waoo, sure he didn't
Wait you contemplate k1lling PPL u ate? That's unfortunate
Yeah but were you paying 6000 a week for child support?
@alienprepper5918 if you don't wanna pay child support, win custody, fight tooth n nail for your kids. Or pay what you have to pay, the end of the day children are not pawns in people's divorce games, they're not weapons and shouldn't be used as such.
There’s no way that ANYONE even a spouse should be able to cremate someone’s remains when they died under suspicious circumstances, ESPECIALLY when the family is saying so themselves
He wasn’t even a spouse. They were divorced.
Right! It should be a law that in any even slightly suspicious death, the body should be held for a period of time.
agreed!
Idk why CBS is finally giving us full episodes, but I def appreciate it. I like watching in YT so I can read peoples comments while watching!
I find myself looking for comments while watching Netflix or Hulu I think UA-cam is my favorite because of the comments
If you like the format, there are podcasts for 20/20, 48hours, Dateline, and many others. It’s just the audio but it’s easy to follow I think. Just a thought for a fellow enjoyer 😊
@@emcdonald496 me too sis
Me too!
I never really realized why I liked UA-cam but I think you’re correct.
Lloyd - Could you cry? Starts laughing.
Karrie - I might and also starts laughing.
Something was really off in this father and daughter relationship.
yup.
Gotlandia
Agree, something was very off in their relationship.
me too.
I feel like maybe they've had a sexual relationship at some point
@@nicolekear3911 i feel like too...
I can’t even imagine how devastated Karrie’s sisters must be knowing that they not only lost their sweet mother but that their Dad was responsible and their sister was the accomplice. Their whole entire family demolished in one day. Can you imagine knowing your sister was there to watch over you while their father killed their mother!? Makes me sick!
Unimaginable...
No sympathy for that cruel daughter.
Cruel and evil Father
@Carmel Delaney maybe she wanted approval. Or.. maybe she was too young to know the severity of consequences. I don't know I'm at the beginning 😕. I gotta keep watching .
Whatever happened to divorce as an option?
She talked about fake crying and then in every interview/confession she is crying. How did they let her off so easy?
Exactly 🤦🏽♀️
Karrie had a choice. Tell her mother, or go to the police. She knew right from wrong.
Correct...
I disagree. It is too simplistic to simply say "She knew right from wrong."
@@vissitorsteve no it’s not. This is an issue of moral competency. She knows the difference between right and wrong. This is how they’re able to convict even those who are mentally ill but guilty
i can't understand why she didn't tell her mother immediately what the dad was proposing. does this mean that his life was more valuable than her mother's in her eyes?🤔
I agree. She was just as responsible for her moms death as her crazy father.
Its hurts me that the mother was surrounded by evil in forms of her own husband and daughter. May she rest in peace.
That is so disturbing
That $6k a month in child/spousal support would hurt me.
@@TomikaKelly they go based off of income.
She is her father’s daughter…
@@ybbahsetteval then y is he in 100k debt , 6k a month is liker 4or5 fold an average wage and about 10-15 fold what child support should be
greed killed this woman
Giving birth to your own killer is unbelievably sad 😢
Omg it really is 😭🤮
Explain how she is responsible?
@@austinvolzke8026 😅
@@austinvolzke8026 Uuuhhh...WHAT?!?
@@austinvolzke8026 didn't you hear the phone calls between her and her dad that the cops were tapped into? She didn't give a damn and she helped him. Please don't be fooled by the killers cries.
My mother is 72 and has loved and forgiven me for so many things. I will take care of her the rest of my life. This is absolutely shocking and sick
Thats because she was an angel on earth. I wouldnt do much for mine.
@@Lena-so2lq I wouldn't for mine either, but nor would have I condoned her end being the same as that poor woman's. In fact if she'd died like that I would have found it immensely disturbing and distressing. That daughter is one cold cold fish.
How she’s crying hysterically on the phone one second and when asked if her sister was safe she immediately stopped lol
She’s a sociopath…
Yeah, it is rough to hear. Cringe ! But by the end I'm crying for her mom and Karrie & her sisters. This stuff never bothers me anymore. I know Lloyd is handwashing his boyfriend's boxers and other wifey things now though. So yay! Michelle! Lloyd Suck...
I heard that too…. That was a huge f- you to her mom
That's a sociopath for ya.
There was a delay between those two conversations.
The fact that she didn’t immediately call the police, and even considered taking her mothers life is unforgivable!
I felt that way, too, at first. But, then, I thought of Michelle, who had given the ultimate price, and thought what Michelle would have wanted was the best. It is still possible for Karrie to learn from this and live a decent, good life, which is what Michelle would have wanted. I am glad she served time, though. That was just.
@@jeweliedee4299 she's a woman criminal! she was 18! christ! the grandmother is HORRIBLE ... the grandma is not allowing her to be a woman
We have to forgive one another, as the LORD has commanded, but I do not feel sorry for her, and her tears. Plain EVIL.
@@nicandromartinezsotelo3300 I hear you, Nicandro. I believe God is a God of mercy, and if she could go on and live a humble and transformed life, then that would be better than another life wasted.
@@jeweliedee4299 that's easy to say every criminal should be in the streets because God is a God of mercy, she didn't care of her mother's life and pain...she not only lie, she facilitated and conspired to get rid of her mother.
That video of her mother feeding her when she was just months old made me shed tears. She betrayed her Mother.Karrie is a monster
Heartbreaking😔 and Karrie is evil. The rotten apple does not fall far the tree.
feeding her killer. when you in the camp of your enemy.
Karrie is 100% evil incarnate…
She calmly and coldly murdered her mother planning and detailing it out with her father,, no amount of manipulation, no amount of tears would hide that fact... Hearing her discussing with her father in that call,,, shows exactly how determined she was....
👍 exactly!! I was sayin’ they made a deal with the devil.
Isn't it nice that everything is either black or white? Hope you never get to know that there is a lot of shades inbetween.
Perhaps the dad was going to split the life inumo sy with her.
@@CologneCarterthis WAS black and white! Wth are you talking about?
How come they like the father so much
How Karrie can go back and forth between talking normally and "crying" is jusr bizarre. Its extremely chilling
It sure is.
You learn what you live! This was grade A "parental alienation" by the father!
@Katelyn Nelly The answer is easy, her father asked her "could u cry" Karrie answered "I might" now we know why she could switch from crying her crocodile tears to normal she was in cahoots with her father they should both fry
coping skills vary from person to person
Noticed this too.
Picking your dad over your mom is one thing, but to decide to let your mom get murdered over your dad killing his self is another. She was old enough to know that it was wrong of her Dad to say that and to do that.
Im sure she would agree if it concerned someone else.
The dad did a huge mindfek on her.
All she had to do was notify authorities. She chose not to. God help us, this girl is a sociopath.
Kerri got away much too easily. She was 19 years old. She was in college, smart enough to know killing her mother was wrong. Parental alienation is a weak excuse. Lloyd was indeed a cold manipulator
Kerri was under his control, but she still knew her mother would be murdered, yet she chose to participate in the killing.
Her grandmother, DA, and judge let her get off with a slap on her hand. Incredible.
He was a psychopath...plain and simple. A psychopath father can damage a daughter in ways that are hard to imagine or comprehend.
my guess her whole life he wpuld talk bad about her and alienate the kids from her. that was many years in the works.
I disagree. She was clearly under extreme trauma and terrified to go against this man for her own safety
Exactly
@@carolinelaronda4523 always excuses...this is what is wrong with the world. The girl knew damn well what she was doing period
I think the daughter deserved a much longer sentence. Her mother only gave her love and also fought for her children. After all this, to actually help her father to string up the body. It's so totally unbelievable
She should have because he told her that the motive was money!!!
That daughter was a victim of brainwashing and narcissism...and is more complicated than "black and white" thinking. But yes, she made the action after all shes been put through
.....I feel for her.
The daughter was manipulatively abused by someone who is supposed to love her the most. Year after year during her developmental stages, she had a parent who little by little taught her that he was right, he was safe, that her mom was the enemy. It’s all his fault, not hers. When you’re in your early 20s and still dependent on your parents, you trust them. And even though there are red flags, you choose to trust them because you love them. And you love them because they are supposed to be loving you, and most of the time they appear to be loving you.
As someone who has been abused and manipulated (but have been out of that situation for going on 6 years now), it still hurts when I hear the question “why did you stay with him?” We can’t keep placing blame on the victim. The abuser is crafty, is smart. They know exactly how to manipulate and brainwash at just the right pace and with just the right words and when you are at your most vulnerable. They’re sociopathic pariahs. All of their actions are self-motivated and self-serving.
This poor girl. She has been hurt for so long and has lost so much. May the Lord bless her life.
She is narcissistic just like dad
@@leahjacoboski2785i think your personal experience is making you too sensitive to someone who aided in the death of the person who brought her into this world. While she was manipulated by dad mom was also active in her life and she STILL choose to help her dad end mom.
I hate to say this, but I believe Karrie picked up manipulative behaviors from her father, and was able to get out of a lifetime sentence. Listening to the recordings of the conversations with her father, planning what to say to investigators, made my stomach turn. She did not sound remorseful at all. It also seemed strange how her demeanor would fluctuate between tears and then completely sound and put together during her 911 call. I am only a spectator. May GOD have mercy on her.
100% agree.
Absolutely!!!!
ON POINT !!!!!!!!
The genes made her do it!
Well stated...
She should have gotten 15-25 years for her part. The fact that she talked about turning on the tears for her questioning shows are complicit she was with her father
15-25 years because you choose to interpret her answer to "Could you cry?" - *"I might"* - as "talking about turning on the tears"? That's what I'd get for raping and murdering a random woman for sport. Not defending her - I'd have to walk a mile in her shoes before I could judge - but honesty when I heard her say that (not knowing what her involvement was) her words and tone seemed like she meant she might ACTUALLY cry without trying. I just went back to 23:11 knowing what I now know and it still sounds that way.
I'm not religious - and clearly you aren't either - but I do like the theme, the not being so quick to cast stones, the forgiving yadda yadda. Damn dude, she's a teenage girl brainwashed to hate her mum, living with the 'perfect' dad she adores and one day he says he can't pay mum anymore and is taking a header off a parking garage unleeeeeesss... I'd need to walk more than just ONE mile in her shoes to get how messed up that made her 😥
Exactly.
I think a life in prison is adequate. I mean, she did this to her own mother... Imagine what she could do to others. It's just unfathomable... Some people got a life sentence for just being a part of a robbery that went wrong and a person got killed (and they didn't actually participate in the robbery nor killing, they were just there, and they were minors), she participated in all this with a premeditation. She should be locked up for good. It makes me mad she wasn't...
Life is the right sentence for her, she was downstairs while she knew his father was killing her mother, and the she help to put the rope and help him with the dead body, and no remorse when talking about that. No she cry because she got caught, she cry no for the poor mother she cry for her self. Life in prison is the right sentence for her.
This. She’s already out and a free woman.
Grandma better be careful with letting Karrie spending the night
Blood is thicker than water
@@superpixelated7354 enough blood to help take her mom out smh
Totally agree with you
Stop it. You do not know that. If she g’ets the right help she can live her life and grief her mother.😊
But you do not know about forgiveness🥵
@@tmfromdenmark9158 One can forgive and at the same time understand that a murderer must suffer the consequences of their actions.
I’m not convinced for a second that daughter was just brainwashed. She wasn’t 5 year old, but an adult who could make distinction between right and wrong. It’s one thing to prefer one parent over the another, but whole another to assist killing one parent. Unforgivable
Totally
So you're saying a teenager couldnt be brainwashed?
That is totally false. If teenagers can be brainwashed by their friends to do stupid things , then it surely wouldn't be that hard for her father to do so. She was vulnerable and abused into a state of mind that led her to what she did. Everything to her was about pleasing the father. U can clearly see in the years before the death she was manipulated into opening a case against her mom
@@BigStarworldheaven Teenagers are just as easily brainwashed as children.
I was thinking along those lines too!! Moving into a new student apartment as a young adult, rather than a infant child!!
May her Mothers soul rest in peace 🙏⚘️
Kerrie was an accomplice. She’s as sociopathic as her father. She was an adult - 19? Absolutely an accomplice. She deserved much more than she got. I feel sorry for her sisters and mothers parents. For her ? No sympathy whatsoever.
i have no sympathy for her either; people like her make me sick. i would do anything to have my mom back and you have people like her killing theirs. smdh🤬🤬
Parent alienation is horrible. My husband did the same thing by mentally abusing me while doing everything positive for my daughter, purchasing her very expensive gifts, taking her to fun places while I worked or in bed from depression.
Yes, she needed to pay a longer price but she most definitely needs extensive mental therapy. It could lead her to always feel in back of mind that is okay to live out the same pattern with others.
daughters learn from their dad's and are in competition with mother from such a young age. even if their dad's ain't there, they will blame their mothers. same with lads but they are one with the mother and in Competition with dad. so I can understand why she would go with her father's plan... she will be at one with her dad so if he killed himself, she would die also.. he caused in her Stockholm syndrome. that can be cured. hopefully it is that cause she didn't get long sentence.
She was extremely manipulated by her psycho father. She deserved punishment, and she also deserved a second chance. 19 is only an adult legally, our brains, especially the parts of it that process emotions and make decisions, are not fully developed until around 25. She was a child, shaped by her father, just like all other children and he father took advantage of her naivety and adoration of him. He victimized her just as he did Michelle, and now she has to live with what she has done. That is enough. I will give her a break.
Parental alienation does that!
I really don’t understand why people are referring to Kerrie as a child. She most decidedly was not a child….
She wasn’t a child but young enough to be manipulated by a grown adult.
@@carmenarocho1932 right still very vulnerable
No she wasn't a child but the manipulation started when she was. He is 100% responsible and this girl will have to live with this the rest of her life. This whole story is horrendous!
@@canduscanty8583 yeah right?? Vulnerable to the point : from crying to normal tone during 911 call. then asked the dad.."should I Cry".then laughing.. Sick of her acting skills. I think she knew damn well what she was doing
If she wasn't a child, she certainly wasn't an adult in any meaningful sense. And she was also subordinated and groomed by her father.
The daughter only getting 1-3 years for her mothers death is a slap in the face to her mothers legacy . She was the gateway for her father mothering her mother. They both are manipulative. She was laughing and enjoying life before she got caught. She even said she would try to cry. She can save those crocodile tears!
Too much lenience shown for the daughter. I think she was just rewarded for cooperating with the prosecution against her father. She deserved a harsher punishment 100%
I don't think she was brainwashed. I think she is just a very cold person.
I agree. She knew right from wrong; she wasn't that brainwashed. She def knew to cover it up
Parental alienation cannot explain the psychopathic behaviour exhibited by Karrie. For example when she says to her father on the phone 23:17 "That would be a dream" if the investigators left them alone and they could carry on their lives, she says it in a breezy tone and it paints a picture of a bright, untroubled future without the least taint of guilt or remorse.
I was a victim of parental alienation as a child (from my mother towards my father) and i agree. yes, i did feel contempt and other complicated things, but i would have never hurt him under any circumstances, because i still felt a basic level of empathy that all humans feel. this girl was a victim of parental alienation but there was obviously something else going on too, she is a psychopath
Well, I think it is very much possible. When the person who is supposed to teach u right from wrong, who is considered 2nd to god tells u something repeatedly u start to believe it. It is not black and white. You can’t really comprehend unless u have been in the situation.
@@202sujatajindal8I agree.
Zero Remorse. Scary af
@@202sujatajindal8 agreed
If that girl can do that to her own mother... and get away with it. I can’t imagine what she’s able to do to another person. She needs to be locked up.
that's true...cold sociopath in the making.
Agree. I would not trust her ever again, especially after the conversation on the phone with her father. She was into it. Nobody could have turned me against my mother or father. I would have shared with someone. I would have sat down both with me or, if I feared they would attack each other, talked to a doctor about my fear.
She was locked up, but I think she only got 3 years, and only served one. Not justice.
@@willerling6960 oh Lord... catfish from Nigeria
she fooled the cops , smh
2 things can be true. He emotionally abused and alienated his daughters AND Karrie is a bad human being that stood by while her mother was being murdered.
Karrie isn't a victim here. She stopped being one when she helped throw her mother over the stair banister.
Letting her father into the house was more consequential than helping him set the scene. For sure she did a terrible thing but I don't think people can imagine what it's like to be manipulated and groomed by your own father, and what a malign influence that could be.
The truth is that she was part victim and part perpetrator.
literally
@@simonw1313 she's cold and remorseless. She could have stopped this from happening. She's only concerned with the insurance money and maybe being with her father.
@@meera2531 someone had to manipulate her into becoming that way. You do realize that parents are a DIRECT INFLUENCE on this children, right??
Karrie is one evil women
Karrie not only covered for her father, she assisted!
It’s an absolute disgrace that Kerrie got such a lenient sentence! Watching her interrogation she’s not a stupid little girl, she’s certainly able to manipulate, attend and help with her mothers death. She knew exactly what she was doing and even discussed on the phone with her father more than once , about what to say to the police. She instigated a lot of those calls. Don’t believe that she’s innocent just because it’s hard to believe that a daughter would do this.
she was manipulated. Being manipulated could make a person do crazy things, especially at 19. Even as adults, we’re so easily manipulated to think certain things are right and others are wrong. She was young naive and was raised to hate her mother. On top of all of that manipulation and hatred, Her father gave her an ultimatum. She will live the rest of her life with that burden, I think the judge made the right choice.
@@hdres90 I agree with you. Her father made her chose between himself and her mother. Had she just chose her mother, she would most likely still have 2 parents! Her father is an awful human being and now this poor girl is going to have to live with the trauma of what her father made her do. And now she has to live with being involved in her own mothers death and with her fathers being the one who manipulated her…. Very sad for that girl to me. I think she’s already serving a life sentence whether she is free or not!
haters gone hate, you will die young, burning yourself up from the inside, your choice
@@hdres90 Funny how all the supposed manipulation ended when she was facing a long prison sentence, she dropped her Dad in it without much hesitation. A truly brainwashed person would not do that and remember she was living an independent life away from her father so just where did the manipulation happen at that stage of her life. She is a gutless wonder, a witch in appearance with a self-inflated ego thinking she is something special which she is certainly not. She should be locked up for life
@@hdres90 I absolutely agree with you and it's appalling to see all the likes of the ice cold and ignorant comment above yours. This is exactly how a brainwashing is done. Karrie is a victim to.
Kerri knew exactly what she was doing. Her grandmother is too kind to forgive her granddaughter.
I think that’s just normal love. Too bad the girl didn’t have that for her momma.
@@animula6908 it ain’t love, it’s something sick
Exactly!!! She and her dad were smiling and laughing on the phone.
Wanted the dad to get life and the daughter to get nothing. Smh.
Yeah but it sounds like the father had been treating his daughters the same way he had been their mother. Using the courts to hurt the mother and then running back to the daughters playing victim and hero like 'look I'm trying to protect yous but the courts just won't help me'. Sick parents like that out there, and if you've been raised by one like that, you'd know how easy it is to think this person would stop hurting me if they were able to be happy without this 'problem' (the mother) getting in the way. I know it's hard to fathom but it is really like that and that feeling doesn't just go away with age.
To be downstairs looking after her little sister while her dad killed her mum??? This is as disturbing as it gets. She could have and should have gone to the police beforehand. She’s an adult ffs.
My heart breaks for Karries mother. She seems like such a kind soul. She’s lost her daughter because of her granddaughter.
Grandma might be next if she doesn’t tread lightly around her granddaughter
Hopefully the other two sisters aren’t psychopaths like Karrie
Did you mean your heart breaks for Michelle’s mother maybe? SHE is the one who lost her daughter because of her granddaughter
Wow! So it's All the granddaughter fault?? Not the devil dad whom terrorized his "family" from birth! And, actually did the killing??
MOM. Em. Oh. Em. Mom.
This poor woman. After all she’d been through, surviving this scumbag, the tumultuous custody case, and thinking Lloyd had given up and walked away…only to have him be the last wretched face she saw as he killed her. Just unbelievable.
She would have known the daughter was complicit, as well.
Wow I can't believe Kerri got a slap on the hand while she watched her mother being murdered, helped during the before and after process and helped to try and cover it up. That's insane.
I’m pretty sure her and the dad were in a ‘relationship.’. when fathers twist their daughter’s minds like that at a very young age it teaches the females to be sinister liars and manipulators themselves, if it doesn’t destroy them. not every victim lets themselves suffer the pain and heal - they can become very cold like their perpetrators.
I can believe it
a person capable of doing that to her own mother shouldn't be out and about in society
I like the police chief for catching that she may have been attacked from behind. Thank God he was paying attention to the details and didn’t just blow it off as a suicide.
How horrible!
Praying for the rest of the family, their loved ones, and friends.
Carrie had plenty of time to go to the police for help. She knew what she was doing.
I wish she had done it too. But, I know that children at that age can be badly manipulated. It is difficult for people who have not encountered such cases to understand her action.
She might have known it was wrong but the one person who helped teach her right from wrong obviously played with her and all she was raised to believe. I believe had she not went through helping her father, he would have murdered her as well.
@Susan I completely agree! She knew right from wrong!!
You’re not understanding that she had experienced a lifetime of psychological manipulation by such an essential, controlling figure in her life.
I COULD NOT AGREE MORE 😱😭😡☹️😤
"Could you cry?" *Laughs*
This makes my hair stand on end...
I was a damn wild child, even through half of college. I could never imagine murdering ANYBODY, let alone a parent. Self defense or the defense of a loved one might be the exception. Her father is a narcissistic sociopath, Kerri definitely inherited it.
Defense of a loved one is exactly what he used to manipulate her. He was going to die after all if she didn't get involved. He is just as important to her as her mother.
@@msmiami212 Neither parent was important to her (Karry) She did it for the share of the life insurance.
What what, in the buttbutt is what her dad played. It’s her favorite game. 😀
@@LyndaCoulson64 this i believe was one of the reason..it was never discussed but Karie wanted to live alone i guess she wanted the money too
You don't inherate sociopathy, it is Learned. Psychopathy...yes....you can be born that way.
Sickening. The daughter should’ve had the book thrown at her for her helping her father. I’d never forgive my sister for taking my mother away
The sister didn't take the mother away; the father did.
A twisted family!
@@TomikaKelly The sister is as guilty as the father. I am also wondering about the youngest daughter, I understand she's a minor and needs to be protected, but is it really possible that she went through all that happened that night without realizing what was going on? She was 14, not 2...
Exactly.. If my sibling took my mother away from me and the rest of my family Id hate her for the rest of my life.
@@antg9673 same!
What a heartbreaking story ! It broke my heart to see Michelle feeding baby Kerrie with such love, knowing how it would all end. 💔
The whole Idaho 4 murders has gotten me into "True Crime" but man, its depressing. If you watch too much of it your whole interpretation of the human condition changes for the worse
I cannot believe Karrie only got 1 to 3 years. Ridiculous. She allowed her mother to be murdered. She should have gotten 10 years minimum
Female privilege ain't no joke.
She helped Plan it not just allowed it.
If Karrie was male there’s no way she would only get 1 to 3 years.
@@DatJNP It was actually White privilege, but go off..
@@TomikaKelly Not according to reality but go ahead and keep letting the TV tell you what to think.
the grandmother is damaging this girl's ability to have a moral backbone by asking the sentence to be lowered. Her feeling of loneliness after losing the daughter may impair her judgement, but horribly damaged her daughter's legacy. She should get accounted for
She did say she thought about what her daughter would want and that her daughter wouldm't have wanted her to get a long sentence.
@@tamitribbiani7907 that is something horrific to say to be honest.
@@nicandromartinezsotelo3300 What the Grandmother said?
Karrie should have gotten more. She certainly can switch from pretend crying to being just fine quickly. She was an adult. She could have done things to stop it.
Apple doesn’t fall far from her father’s tree apparently.
Wow that judge should have been thrown in jail for that slap on the hand.
As well as the DA
I think Kerry , the daughter should have served more time. She was alienated allright but She was an adult. She understood what was happening!
She was under her father's spell of control...
@@karaDee2363 Stop. She knew it was wrong. That’s an excuse
@@karaDee2363 the pervasive cult of victimhood that is omnipresent throughout society these days is so disgusting
People who refuse to take accountability & others like you who make excuses for them
Exactly.
she just hated her mother.. period
Nahhhh. That wire tapped phone call told me all I needed to know about Karrie's mindset. She wasn't sorry her mom was killed she was sorry she got caught! Absolutely despicable she got a slap on the wrist.
Not surprised honestly.
Exactly.
Karrie and Lloyd's conversation over the phone screams guilty
Lloyd: Could you cry a little?
Karrie: I might.
Agree
This is the saddest case I have seen in a long time. Seeing the clips of Michelle raising Karrie when she was a baby were heartbreaking💔 to think her baby she loved so much would one day turn her back on her and help end her life. It’s unthinkable. Karrie should of gotten at harsher sentence for sure, if I was her grandmother I would be scared what she is capable of.
I was crying when they showed the tapes of her mom feeding her as w baby...unbelievable what happened years after. I think the daughter is as narcissistic as her father.
26 filings is a red flag - clearly dealing with an obsessive, controlling personality.
Karrie had 2 months to tell the cops and she was away from her father long enough to do it without him hurting her, she should told the cops.
Karrie had plenty of opportunity to do something different from what she did she wasn't a baby.
she hated her mother
Did everyone miss the part about parental alienation?
It wasn’t physical fear, it was emotional damage.
@@hdres90 No wonder the GOP has a chance.
These young people think that sex is the answer. That's what drew them together, then they marry, have children, need to pay bill's, become a "responsible" adult. Reality sets in and they are not prepared to deal with it. My advice to these young teens; enjoy being single. Get educated, travel, save money...don't rush to grow up. You are only young once....you will be old for the rest of your life.
Not sure how that applies in this case?
I couldnt agree more. Stay single if you are not made for it.
What does that have to do wi th this case
@@aizenosaimafidon1119 The OP seems to be blaming the parents for what happened since they had sex early, married really young and had children right out of high school. Tone deaf and lacking in empathy* for Michelle. In hindsight, would this dead mom regret her choices had she survived? Seems like a dumb thing to ponder since nothing can bring her back. 😕 Edited: meant empathy not envy.
@@anitakoch3895 No one knows if they're made for it until they're actually in it. It seems like you and those that agree with the OP lack empathy and wisdom to understand and draw better conclusions. 🙄 Gods, asteroids and black holes, humanity is such a dysfunctional mess.
Unbelievable that she got 1-3 years. She wasn’t a child. Anyone else would have gotten much more.
Well, she was a woman so......
@@Eventual-Visitor and a white one. Jus' say'n
@@angelafranklin2267 you beat me to it!
The manipulation of parents on their children is one of the strongest “bonds“ there are with parents and children. Mothers manipulate their sons and daughters, fathers manipulate their daughters and sons and this has been going on for thousands of years. We judge her by her age, yet that manipulation started when she was a young teen.
@@angelafranklin2267 FACTS
Dang! That one State Trooper straight up pulled a Terry Tate on that cowardly, sociopathic father!! That was so awesome that I re-watched that a few times 😂
There was no way Lloyd was going to throw himself off that garage roof.
Same here 😂
She is lying. I believe she was manipulated but unfortunately she became the same monster. Her grief was all an act. Did you hear how quickly her act changed when they asked about her sister?
She is guilty just as much as her father. She could have warned her mom or called the cops. She chose to let her mom die. It's dad.
Imagine walking into a house and seeing a person just standing there, completely still and then realizing she's dead.. horrifying.
Such a sad and crazy story. Evil knows no bounds.
Makes me hungry.
@@ricksomething eewwaaaa Jeffrey freaking Dahmer⁉️🫣😯🙄
How was the person just standing there if they were dead
@@maryjeanglenn2486 Suspended by the neck?
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If Karrie is my sister I don't think I will be happy to welcome her home from jail. There will be a huge gap between me and her and will probably takes time to heal. Would be nice if she serve at least 10 years in prison so she would have more time to feel sorry and perhaps changes for the better. I will never feel safe beside her. She's an evil person. I watched the whole show and I don't care if she was brain washed by her father the fact that she was an adult and help her father killed her mom makes her a murderer.
Carrie knew about Lloyd’s plans beforehand. She could have/ should have notified Michelle or the authorities and both parents would still be alive. She had options. She’s as guilty as Lloyd.
The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. We’ll see if Karrie has the criminal heart and mind of her father. So much about this says she does. I think her tears were because she got caught, not because she regretted her actions.
That is EXACTLY what I said too! That she isn't upset because this happened! She's upset and crying because she knows it's over and they got found out.... I mean when you hear her talking to her Dad in those recordings, you can hear that she didn't give a crap that that happened to her Mom. She's talking to the guy that killed her Mom like everything is great between them. So that just shows her callousness! I don't think she cared that her Dad did that at all! So yeah I 100% agree with you on your comment about her....
She should have a VERY long sentence. Because even IF she is really manipulated, that means she's vulnerable to manipulation. Other people can easily manipulate her to do horrible things for them. She's better off in prison her whole life to protect other innocent people from her.
@@maldust7438 Yes also her eyes are dead/ cold and she showed zero remorse on the phone calls
Agree!!
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His arrogance is appalling as his his daughter’s behavior with him. She needed at least a 25 year sentence.
he took a plea deal but still got life without parole... lol, arrogant and a dunce
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The daughter was fake crying as she promised her dad she would. Should have received longer time in jail.
1 to 3 years? Paroled after little over a year? Disgusting.
I believe Kerrie needs to go to prison. She was 19 at the time, not a child, she knew what she was doing.
The discussion between the father & daughter about crying is very telling on the daughter. I think she was more involved and narcissistic like her father. She only turned against her father to save herself.
This case is wild. No normal person, with a relatively normal childhood would agree to killing of their mother! Even a thought of that is sickening and enraging. This is just absolutely chilling, she's surely a psychopath. All the crying is staged
I wasn't sure. I thought with the "that would be the dream" she might be trying to please her dad (might be schaed of him). Until I heard the "I put her in the car". That seemed so cold, also very different from the desperate crying moments before. I do think she's a psychopath and a dangerous one at that..
Tackle of the year. give that trooper a raise.!
She was obviously a Daddy’s girl but Jeez this is an absolute nightmare. I can’t believe she helped him. He NEVER should’ve put his daughter in that position knowing she was having issues with her Mom 🙄 God Bless her Mom
She wasn't a little girl though, she was a grown woman. I personally think she should have been fully held accountable.
@@kate_is_great I agree with you, but her Dad was NO Dad… I can’t believe she didn’t call 📱 the Police IMMEDIATELY.. Chilling 💔😳
Her mother loved her. Her father didn’t.
Yeah.It’s not like Kerrie was afraid of her mother or in any danger. She was an adult when she committed the crime and knew her mother loved her. But then again, as an adult who used to be a daddy’s girl, I can tell you that my mom instilling fear in me for God really saved us from chaos. I was a dangerous person
And when i read Stevent King’s 1922 i was shocked and appalled. Seems like it was not a fiction at all
The daughter is utterly disgusting... killing your own Mother?? And then joking about it afterwards with her Father... crocodile tears looking for sympathy afterwards in the interrogation room. And, I believe the 14 year old daughter knew what was going down too; she heard her parents arguing so knew he was in the house... and suddenly your Mother is dead... what a bizarre family. The worst of it all is that Karrie walks free amongst us... as a cold-blooded killer!
TF are you trying to blame the 14 year old for?!?
She took her Father's side and showed no concern for the safety of her mother... she made her choice.
@@mercedeswestbrook4356 Absolutely, it doesn't matter if it's even about the safety of her mom or anybody's else...she showed who she was, and should have been kept away from people for quite some time, the fact that her father is a monster doesn't mean she isn't a one after all.
Exactly, I mean, aren't most of these monsters a product of their environment? So ok yeah it is awful that she was raised by that man but doesn't disqualify her from being a monster. Bundy was seriously abused, don't hear these nuts whining about poor Bundy. @@woman290
Stay classy
He was so concerned with child support that the mother of his children's life didn't matter? Mind blowing
It kills me how this kid is crying with police but giggles with her dad. Don't buy the "he gave me an impossible choice " excuse.
Are you kidding me?! Did you listen to the wire tap tapes? That girl knew exactly what she was doing, and did not care one bit! I agree he had convinced her that her mom was the enemy, probably from a young age. Unfortunately that happens all the time one parent playing a child off of the other. But, all that means is that she knew what she was doing, And was fine with it because she hated her mom. She clearly was not remorseful, felt no sense of shame or feeling that she did something wrong on those tapes. She was calm and trying to figure out how best to spin her story to the police. That interview was pathetic she was clearly faking it she had said she was going to try to cry. I cannot believe she only got a few years. If she had been a male, the sympathy would not have been there. Unbelievable she should still be in jail. And what about the other two girls? Are they convinced also their sister was manipulated, where is the remorse and pity and anger for their mother? This is disgusting
I know it's sick that she only got 1 to 3 years.
"If she would've been a male" (lol your ego is extra fragile young jedi)
How can an ex-husband have his ex-wife cremated? Who allowed that?
The law
@@Charmander009 but why lmao
Exactly. It should be case by case. Not everything is black and white like this law.
I met a friend of a friend in Sacramento years ago at a BBQ. Two weeks later he killed his wife and tried to get his teenage daughter to take the blame. He told her she wouldn’t do much time if convicted, but he would, so she should tell the cops she did it. She came clean to the police and he went to prison. I’ll never forget it.
Karrie could have gone to the police, could have told her mother of her father's plans. Unbelievable.
Not a single tear coming out of Karrie is real. Not one.
Maybe with the exception of the ones for herself!
I can see why the grandmother wanted leniency for her granddaughter but FFS, she facilitated her mother’s death!
The 1 to 3 year sentence is a Giant slap in the face to her Mother.
I can’t believe she conned everyone and only got a few years. She’s psycho. Can you even imagine how the family moves on from this?
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I’m having a VERY difficult time with how this girl just accepted the killing of her MOM over the suicide of a controlling dad😵💫DaFuk?!?
I think the dad and her were doing it, probably most of her life.
@@stephaay8437 hate to say it but yeah, i kinda figured something incestuous might have been evolving.
This is honestly the scariest case on here.
how did the dad have so much confidence that daughter would agree and not say im telling mom?
telling mom, and the police, is exactly what i would've done. why she didn't, it makes me wonder what kind of relationship she and her mother really had? its kids like her that make me thankful that i don't have any🙏
Because that apple didn't fall far from the tree. She is just like him, and he knew it. She should have gotten 15 to life.
Because he has groomed her , her whole life, so it was easy for them to fell into lock step, I can see how this could happen I've grown up with groomers and it's very hard to no who you are and trust your own thoughts because someones always told you who you should be, and what you should think and feel , you will do things you dont want to just to make them happy, because its always about their happiness, if they're happy your happy if their not your not, having said that, there is still no excuse for what she did to her beautiful mother, she still would have known right from wrong, but she loved her father more, he make sure of that!
I think they might’ve had other secrets so he knew he could trust her
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I wonder if anyone brought up the word incest???
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Someone asked how the Dad could trust the daughter so much to not say anything before the actual death. Maybe bc they had other secrets
Watching this type of horror stories make me so grateful for the set of parents that God blessed me with. We’ve got everything we need, my parents would have misunderstandings every once in a while but I’ve never saw them hit or physically hurt each other. I’ve never heard them curse at each other.
What a blessing!
Any proof god exists?
My ex did this to our two children. Judges and lawyers HELPED HIM. I ESCAPED SOUTH CAROLINA. THANK GOD!
Such a betrayal from her daughter. Men will betray you but your own children?? It's so despicable
Which means women will betray you as well because that is what she was. A young adult woman.
not all men, women aren't as loyal either. All humans are flaw
Ignorant statement when it was her daughter who betrayed her mother. The husband was estranged and didn't live with her
1 to 3 years. Really?
How is that justice?
Agree!!
It’s not. But she’s a woman
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It's indesputable that the man is a POS....however, no one can't tell me that at her age, we don't know the difference between right and a VERY wrong. Now, I know about pressure, persuasion, etc, etc, etc...but we do KNOW those differences. On such a BIG request from her father....she didn't think about asking anyone else what to do or even telling someone about all of this?
i agree on all points👍👍
it didn't happen in one day...it was a life time of deception and manipulation
For him to even bring her into his sick plans is a major clue or should have been.
Nope. A narc is a narc.
Not being held responsible for your actions is exactly why we are where we are today.
The grandmother clearly has a double standard for accountability of the two people who murdered her daughter. I would never want such a granddaughter in my life-would make me sick every time I looked at her.
Right? She's dead to me as soon as I find out what she did to my child.
But you are not her..plus remember that's her dead daughter's daughter so lots of emotions there. The husband is a 3rd party
Until you're in that situation lol
Totally agree 💯
Well said!
What an evil, vile man.
....and daughter!!!
Karrie just as evil
Carrie needed more time a lot more.
“Very charismatic” is often your cue to RUN!
I'm so thankful that I decided to remain single for life after growing up with an abusive Father. My Mother moved out with my brother and me when I was 11. She always reminded me about how important education is. She's a retired lecturer. She told me that I must always be able to take care of myself and to never depend on a man to survive.
I now have my own place and I live alone with my cat comfortably. We have food and the bills are always paid on time. Thank you Mummy. 🙏🏾
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I used to be a lot like that, but it led to a lot of filling mental holes with drugs and sex. I had a uniquely ugly couple of years and it changed the way I saw everything. I started considering my nature in everything I do (and everything I work to make myself want to do)
Though that, I've learned today to derive all of my satisfaction in life from pursuing the goal of one day replacing myself with the most perfect humans I possibly can-by any means and any sacrifice as I will consider them to be a true extension of myself.
....And really, living for only myself like I was, I felt like was honestly just pure hedonism-and it left me with no good stopping point to anythng I ever pursued.
It isn't just the fear of dying in a state hospital hoping someone visits me, but also so I don't have to fear death at all, knowing that everything I am won't completely end on the day and be forgotten forever....
To be clear though, when you say you don't depend on a man to survive, do you just mean maintaining material wealth and stability (like rent, car payments, etc.)?
.... Or do you also mean not relying on men for your far more valuable emotional stability? Because unless you are sexually abstinent, you are still relying on a man for that far more critical aspect of life....with the biggest difference.being the lack of any real loyalty from the man in your life at any given time.
@@ChadDidNothingWrong Women can manage to be "sexually abstinent" quite happily. It's not an issue. No love, no trust, more often than not, no sex.
I love this for you. Not everyone needs to be a stay at home mom with 5 kids. Not everyone needs a partner. Some people have trouble believing that tho, as you can see in the above comments.
You can certainly have a fulfilling career, kids, material comfort, and a husband who will support and accompany you all throughout your life. That is the most ideal, for sure
She’s 18 years old , she’s an adult & she can say no .. For the fact that she acts like her dad made her pick him or manipulate her is complete Bs ! She helped move her mothers body with her father & the fact that they BOTH laughed on the phone call that they had says a lot .. 2-3 years is not enough for a sick twisted little girl 👌🏻😑
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All this 19 year old had to do is dial 911
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