Why Does God Decree Carnage for the Church? 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, Part 5

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  • @Lilyheart47
    @Lilyheart47 Рік тому +10

    I pray for faith unto the death for all saints and get the crown of life from Jesus. In Jesus name. Amen

    • @martinkent333
      @martinkent333 Рік тому

      So no education, eh? Normal people type Bible Criticism online and discover the Bible is fiction. The Jews created Moses and Jehovah in 950 BCE, then they stole Satan from the Greek myth of Hades. Brainwashing is fun, but only rubes swallow this poop.

    • @Lilyheart47
      @Lilyheart47 Рік тому

      Jesus Christ is real and solid evidence of God.

    • @martinkent333
      @martinkent333 Рік тому

      @@Lilyheart47 200,000 raped altar boys testify to the glory of the Lord and his mighty protection of child anuses. 200,000 raped altar boys gave up their faith and now suffer a lifetime of nightmares and ruptured anuses, Lily. Jesus Christ is a myth who can't protect anyone. Unquestionable obedience to your Christian hustler/owners is what happens when you are in a stone-age cult, Cupcake. It must be fun to have no education and trust these fiends. Was Jesus and God Almighty busy when the children were raped by Christian Holy Men hustlers? Perhaps they were at a pub having a few ales with the Holy Spirit and Mother Mary? Tell me, I am waiting to hear about how you can rationalize your myth with this massive rapefest of kids. I hope you don't mind, but I am fascinated by your logic and dogma.

    • @Lilyheart47
      @Lilyheart47 Рік тому

      @@martinkent333 what you are talking about?

    • @martinkent333
      @martinkent333 Рік тому

      @@Lilyheart47 You are a loser in a stone age cult called Christianity. The ancient Hebrews created myths on the high ground between three continents. A geopolitically strategic place. All of the other nations had myths, but you think the Hebrews had none. So, you are not well educated. Right?

  • @daleenduplessis6794
    @daleenduplessis6794 Рік тому +2

    Different set of 'one another' kicks in!!! How wonderful to KNOW that our living God is in control. \o/
    Therefore brethern, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if yku do these things you will never stumble. 2Peter1:10
    Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy.
    To God our Saviour, who alone is wise. Be the glory and majesty; dominion and power, both now and forever. Amen.
    Jude1:24,25

  • @andrasize
    @andrasize Рік тому +2

    This is very deep message. And a profound one. On every statement 3-5 questions could be asked. Therefore: "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: "Isaiah 55:6 Only God Holy Spirit can lead us into the truth and open our minds to get knowledge and understanding, while it is still time of grace and mercy. Those who read let Him/Her understand - doors will be closed soon.

    • @martinkent333
      @martinkent333 Рік тому

      The Bible is fake, Rube. How educated are you? NORMAL people type Bible Criticism online and discover that the clever ancient Hebrews created Moses and Jehovah in 950 BCE, then stole Satan from the Greek myth of Hades.

  • @CG-bt7oc
    @CG-bt7oc Рік тому +5

    It breaks my heart that the church is not being made ready for the horrors that are coming upon the earth. Preachers by the thousands are telling the church that we will be spared these horrors. Will those be the ones that will be offended?

    • @martinkent333
      @martinkent333 Рік тому

      Having invisible enemies and a fear of eternal hellfire is clinical paranoia, a serious mental illness. Type Bible Criticism online and discover the Bible is fake. How educated are you? The Jews created Jehovah and Moses in 950 BCE

    • @CG-bt7oc
      @CG-bt7oc Рік тому

      @Martin Kent Depending on my sources, I can also search and find out that the earth is flat. However, when I search deep enough into historical evidence, I find that the flat earth theory is false. I'd be far more willing to be wrong as to whether the earth is flat or not than to gamble with my eternal destiny. Pray that God Almighty will reveal Himself to you. He will!

    • @martinkent333
      @martinkent333 Рік тому

      @@CG-bt7oc Billions of Hindus and Buddhists are waiting for God to reveal himself. Is HE playing Hide and Go Seek? The Invisible Man? What Up Rube? How educated are you? Type Bible Criticism online and learn how stupid you are.

  • @hactx
    @hactx Рік тому +6

    I know he’s stated before, but after this series, it would be good to hear how he explains God holds on to those he saves.

    • @martinkent333
      @martinkent333 Рік тому

      Christian hustlers own you. NORMAL people type Bible Criticism and instantly leave this creepy cult.

  • @TheCreepypro
    @TheCreepypro Рік тому

    give us the strength and wisdom to pass the test Lord for your glory help us to be faithful

  • @scottnotsogood-man3059
    @scottnotsogood-man3059 Рік тому +1

    Deception, both spiritual and physical (that done by sinful human mankind/flesh) is rampant. This struggle, especially against spiritual deception, is so difficult to discern practically in the life of myself and to help others to see it occurring in their own sphere of "church" and life. We want to believe in someone / something ("pastor" , advice from a "friend") but we aren't aware of the deception and we trust what we have been told and it seems true, best, real.... until we come to realize, or see what the deception or part of the deception was to us and others. I continue to pray to the Lord Jesus to protect me, my family, friends and church from deception and to cling to the truth./ truths of Christ in His word. Not dreams or " New prophecies" or "New revelations".

  • @WORDUPWITHADI
    @WORDUPWITHADI Рік тому +2

    I love your teachings 🙏

    • @martinkent333
      @martinkent333 Рік тому

      Professional Christian hustlers are always a thrill for the rubes who are owned by them. NORMAL people type Bible Criticism online and learn humility. The Bible is fake, Stupid. How educated are you?

    • @WORDUPWITHADI
      @WORDUPWITHADI Рік тому

      @@martinkent333 trolling UA-cam to insult people you don’t know over something you don’t believe is serous mental illness.

    • @martinkent333
      @martinkent333 Рік тому

      @@WORDUPWITHADI You frolic in fantasyland and scare kids with eternal hellfire and invisible enemies? Religious terrorism? On kids? How low do you go? 20 centuries of slimy brainwashing? Are you insulted because anyone who criticizes a cult is the enemy of the cult, Cupcake? R U A Karen?

    • @WORDUPWITHADI
      @WORDUPWITHADI Рік тому

      @@martinkent333 Im not insulted by you. You have issues, clearly, but they are not my issues.… I feel sorry for you actually

    • @martinkent333
      @martinkent333 Рік тому

      @@WORDUPWITHADI Having invisible enemies and afear of eternal hellfire is clinical paranoia, a serious mental illness. If only billions of Hindus and Buddhists fell for your cult. Then they could avoid eternal hellfire, Cupcake. Being a smug Christian you must feel superior that you don't have to experience eternal hellfire. The Jews stole Satan from the Greek myth Hades and created Moses and Jehovah in 950 BCE. Type Bible Criticism online and avoid your "science-proofing" by Christian hustlers. Criticism kills cults, like yours. Or frolic in ignorance and enjoy "Brainwashing Sundays!" Kids love cult of creepy people like you. On Halloween......

  • @ahler3973
    @ahler3973 Рік тому +1

    Gbu

  • @tanyacat5089
    @tanyacat5089 Рік тому +2

    Why do Christians think there will be a great revival before the end? Is this scriptural? People speak of “The Glorious Church”? Am confused

    • @dalefroese7814
      @dalefroese7814 Рік тому

      I Believe God strenghten and purify his church before His return and that is revival and we dont know the scale of that God dose

  • @christinam81
    @christinam81 Рік тому +2

    The Bible doesn’t say the Bride will be bloody:
    Ephesians 5:25-27
    Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.

    • @01bellanotte
      @01bellanotte Рік тому +2

      I believe he is speaking figuratively. As in “being bloodied by a fight”.. through the testing we endure ♥️

  • @TheCannonofMohammed
    @TheCannonofMohammed Рік тому +1

    Question: John Piper said, in so many words, that God hated Trump more than He hated abortion. Did he mean to include late term abortions, where the intense pain endured is off the scale? God hated when the ancients would surrender their children to the flame in honor of Baal or Molech. Do you think His hatred of Trump surpassed this?

    • @WORDUPWITHADI
      @WORDUPWITHADI Рік тому

      There is nothing in the Bible that even speaks of abortion. I still don’t understand the fervent judgment against women. There are pregnancies that result in the need for emergency termination other wise the mother would die. Why does the church want women to suffer and for a doctrine that does not exist in scripture anywhere

    • @TheCannonofMohammed
      @TheCannonofMohammed Рік тому

      @@WORDUPWITHADI The 7th commandment. Abortion is killing a human being in its most nascent, innocent form.

    • @WORDUPWITHADI
      @WORDUPWITHADI Рік тому

      @@TheCannonofMohammed mmm… im not sure that’s the context for a medically necessary termination of pregnancy. Pregnancy abort naturally at early stages all the time. I’m not saying it should be used as birth control, but that the choice should be left to the woman and her doctors.

    • @TheCannonofMohammed
      @TheCannonofMohammed Рік тому

      @@WORDUPWITHADI No.

    • @WORDUPWITHADI
      @WORDUPWITHADI Рік тому

      @@TheCannonofMohammed when you grow some ovaries and uterus, you can have an opinion

  • @desertflower13
    @desertflower13 Рік тому +1

    So sounds like Piper doesn't believe in the Rapture then, if the Bride is to be beat up and bloodied at the end. I think Jesus will come back for His Bride before the AC is revealed, and those that he is speaking of in this time, in this video, is what will be referred to as the Tribulation Saints. Why would a loving God leave His bride to be bloodied and beat up right before their wedding day, that makes no sense to me. Also there is a verse in 1 Thess. 4:13-18 that says vs. 18, "...therefore comfort one another with these words." How could it be comforting if we are to go through these most perilous times mankind has ever seen?

    • @christfollower5763
      @christfollower5763 Рік тому

      The answer is in the same texts that Pastor John shared. We are to be tested for the genuineness of our faith and love for Him.

    • @desertflower13
      @desertflower13 Рік тому

      @elkioberg3075 but those Tribulation saints are only saints if they GO THROUGH the Tribulation and hold fast to their faith through that, because they did not believe beforehand. They will have to die during the Tribulation in order to be saved, so that's a whole different thing for them. We that believe beforehand are His Bride now, we shouldn't be going through the "beating." Doesn't make sense to me that He would allow us to get "beat up" right before the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. I guess speculating won't fix anything, we will have to wait until that day comes. Blessings.

    • @timothyflaherty5150
      @timothyflaherty5150 Рік тому

      @@desertflower13 Piper doesn't believe we go up and stay up, he believes we go up to meet the Lord and then come down with him as he grants us relief from affliction and afflicts those who were afflicting us, as Paul says. Not sure about your saints and trib-saints, Paul says some of us will still be alive when the Lord returns. That would make saints, trib saints, and saints that didn't die, some bloodied and some not! How do you justify all these saints from scripture?
      Saints are being killed & bloodied all the time Paul says in Rom 8:35-39, and only good will come of it in Rom 8:28.
      Why even let the bride get bloodied at all? Well, why did he let Lazarus die twice, we're told he loved him!
      It seems to me that@christfollower spoke wisely and that Rom 8:28 is crucial. The Lord Jesus is good, may he bless you today desertflower13!!

  • @LastDaysDetective
    @LastDaysDetective Рік тому +4

    A sobering revelation, yet powerfully pertinent! Thank you, John. Btw, I'm enjoying your new book "Come, Lord Jesus." Glad it could be sent to me in Norway. Here's a video I made a few years ago: "How Not to Fall Away in the End Time" - ua-cam.com/video/NP2Tao7Rsk4/v-deo.html

    • @martinkent333
      @martinkent333 Рік тому

      So, no education, eh? Type Bible Criticism online and discover how the clever Jews created Moses and Jehovah in 950 BCE, then stole Satan from the Greek myth of Hades. 20 centuries of Christian brainwashing by professional Christian hustlers is amazing, but it's still poop.

  • @freddeaton6322
    @freddeaton6322 Рік тому +1

    Maybe comparing OT Israel's test's to NT Holy Spirit indwelled saints isn't entirely being honest with scripture. This sounds like suddenly the Holy Spirit detaches from us at the end of the age, leaving us to fend for ourselves and our salvation. The Cross no longer has any effect nor does the Spirit. There are many problematic issues with this teaching that conflict with God's power to save. Maybe you are planning to continue this teaching and include that. Love you Pastor John...praying for Abraham to come home.

  • @twelvestitches984
    @twelvestitches984 Рік тому +1

    Thou shalt not worship Paul or place anything he said or wrote equal with anything Jesus said or taught.
    If you want to start a religion that worships Paul, go ahead, there are many crazy religions. Just don't call it Christianity.