I genuinely dislike drama. Seals (now MILF) betrayal has led to a huge amount of petty airing of dirty laundry that I find really gross and exhausting. There's obviously a lot more that can be said about what happened in this season, but don't let anyone distract you from the simple reality: someone called seals a name in belleron chat, and they threw the season and jeopardized hundreds of innocent players for their own selfish endeavors. It's really that simple.
Chis in our kingdom in RoK we have a rule where we are not allowed to talk in Lost Kingdom chat. One of our mottos is show respect through actions - not words. This strategy has worked really well for us.
We always allowed talking in lost kingdom chat/world chat, in RoK as well as in CoD. But the message is always clear. Trash talking is prohibited, friendly bantering is allowed. And if you don't see the difference, don't talk at all.
Hey Chis, I’m playing on the same server as you, and we had a massive betrayal too. We tried to work things out with them and we kept being lied too. It was horrible! We were one of your allies too, I don’t know where we stand now, but hopefully the rest of the season plays out fairly…. Ancs was a huge participant in the betrayal agains us too.
I am sure there is another side to the story and things Chisgule isnt aware of or didnt include. However, letting an enemy into a starting zone is super grimy. I love the video as content. Hopefully next season Chisgule and Blood family get a chance to play through the whole thing without betrayals. I wanted to pick this game up but seeing how you need to be on the winning side to avoid betrayals Id rather just stick to RoK where a betrayal would ruin your reputation until end of time.
An R4 and members of my alliance were name-calling me and booted me from the alliance during a warzone. They then told our enemy my location and tried to rally me. I don't know why people would be so mean to another who has the same goals as them and I'm trying to go somewhere better. I think animosity and negative players make it hard to lead, so I'm trying to make my server a better place.
Well i think you guys learned at least maybe out of this. That if a ally that has promised being "the elite squad 🤣🤣🤣" and ends up being more a blockade, than should have had a back-up plan in case they where planning to betray (i think it was all planned). Great video
I love your take on things chis! Absolutely hilarious how you show how absurd SEALS were being with their demands 😂 Seems to me that seals leadership is completely incompetent, not only with the betrayal but with the double resurgence nonsense… Hopefully seals leadership are completely isolated from future seasons 🙏
Why are seals upset that blood said we wouldn’t have worked with them if there were better options available? Seals literally betrayed and flipped sides last season which means they are not 100% trustworthy. Now in this season they do the same thing and betray and flip to the winning side. Who would choose an alliance like they to ally with if there are better options available? Nobody that’s who. You can be butt hurt about it all you want but that’s the truth.
The continued down playing of the entire season's (not just this instance) grievances that Seals had is itself proof. In each and every video. Diminishing the Seals contributions, dehumanizing them. Lies caught out that this dude now has to back track on too. From what has been said in other videos from Meow, Nasti and Sin of war, there's clearly way more behind the decision to betray than just name calling or a thunder roc fight. Also, ANCS(in BAM) attacked the Seals while they were purifying the Thunder Roc, Seals had started the raid while BAM was still building towards it. There was no way BAM could take the Roc with an unfinished flag. Yet another lie from Blood. Remember in the video Chisgule said Seals took the bahemoth before BAM 9:33 . They did and they were attacked during that first purification process the moment BAM flag completed. I personally don't see this betrayal and people who empathise with the Seals as victim shaming. There are really valid reasons for the Seals to feel this slighted. Even members who've been with the Seals that Chisgule "sent" over (in reality it's the overflow of people they didn't really want and continually asked them back later when spots opened). These players when they've spent time with Seals, realise how dedicated the leadership team was to getting every advantage possible for Blood's side. To then be betrayed by Blood and dismissed, and told we never wanted you anyway. That's wrong. Chigule admitted to it too, they did not want us, they only wanted to deny Dragon towards the end of this video. What this is, feels like an employee within a big corporation filing numerous workplace bullying complaints to HR about their colleague, but the colleague never gets penalties and continues to be enabled. HR downplays every complaint and Gaslights the employee "you've got a stable job at this big company and for your sake you don't wanna lose this or cause trouble because it won't look good for you, just be an adult and suck it up ok". Employee then reaches a tipping point, and says no more, i'm done and i'm out. Puts in a 1 day notice period to resign and leaves in the middle of peak season and everyone in the team suffers. Edit: also, while Chisgule talks about having seals move to the other side to "win", there are 2 points here that is hypocritical. 1) Chisgule in the same video also says that Dragon has over 3 billion power in pure t5 power advantage. So that itself is telling who would win but yet somehow it's because the Seals didn't go to Kraozon. 2) It was the Seals who at the VERY BEGINNING of the season advocated against ANCS resurging to Enogad. Vehemently even. However, as the map shows ANCS was told to resurge from Kraozon originally under the suggestion from Chisgule himself(after convincing the strategy team). 2.1) Chisgule was not around for the final meeting with his strategy team that timing would be too close for Seal to move over to the other region due to their 48 hour delayed Elite Necro capture. Again not the Seal fault.
For someone who feels slighted and doesn’t like it, you sure did a lot of slighting of my astronomic time commitment to the seals. At the end of the day, no amount of infractions you’ve described equate the scale of the betrayal seals committed.
@@Chisgule A betrayal is what it is, there's no "scale". That said, everyone has the right to say "enough is enough". No one alliance needs to accept being consistently character assassinated, dismissed and have their contributions diminished. If you do not stand up for your long term allies when they need you most(especially when they're only fighting for your win, not theirs), then you do not deserve their loyalty. As someone once said, a good leader should de-escalate and not over dramatize things. Maybe you can take that advice.
Our big alliance allowed one of the smaller ones to farm all season and split rewards equally and when it came war time they did absolutely nothing to help us and have basically let us lose the rest of the season because the enemies have 15 more t5s than us and they're sitting in z1 and z2 playing farmville
Some people need to look for an excuse, regardless on how dumb it is to do what their ambition leads them to. It happened with 277. At least they did not care and just replied: “ Big fish eat smaller fish”. No diplomacy and took it all in S1 out of nowhere.
Im sad we missed all fighting of the season man. I dont have an acc in your server but id love to watch some of the zone fights. I hope there will be more in the next season :) Great video nontheless. Hope you all stay motivated even tho they did you dirty
you guys are nicer then me if someone wanted to make a small mercenary team in my server and needed behemoths to move forward and they cannot even finish their own alliance tech they would have been out of luck. Cant cater to everyone if you wanna win and compete.
Dont understand the term "stealing players" its the players choice to leave. They clearly werent happy where they were. now if youre spam messaging recruitment messages to an ally yeah thats poaching which shouldnt be something an ally does but other than that a player deciding to join another team isnt "stealing a player"
To comment in a way that leaves out further drama.... 7:51 Where you address the Thunder Roc being forgotten about on SEALS part was due to the timing nature of SEALS Staying in BDO to help you capture Elite Necro, if that was planned properly like LuhGinus suggested days before, SEALS could have shell swapped back in time to grab the ROC instead of focusing on holding BD's zone 3. Granted after zone 4 began, I can say for sure the Roc was forgotten merely due to the full speed ahead dedication of SEALS to get to the choke as planned...before SEALS had to delete flags cause of some mess ups by BAM!. 14:19 Now to adress the "name calling," I think its extremely relevant to understand and mention that this "name calling" isn't what caused this. The entire season SEALS and ANCS had a sour relationship due to their first interaction. Both sides being a little bit petty about who merges into who, it is what it is. The "name calling" just so happened to be the final straw after being made out to be the scapegoat BD (maybe not all leadership felt this way, but MANY BD players did,) needed to blame another loss on. 16:17 Where you address *where did their members come from,* BD gave SEALS members that ranked low on their very own spreadsheet regarding performance per zone. That ALONE says what those players are, deadweight. WHICH IS WHY THE BD HALF OF SEALS LEFT!!! Lets not beat around the bush and act like BD gave SEALS active players, some were active in a small capacity, but not active enough when you consider what was required to keep pace. 18:32 You address attack plans to fight zone 4. The suggested plan to move to INWA/LoPC shell was in hindsight probably a better plan than was went with, but lets be completely honest here, NK and DS reached the critical choke first. This is in part due to the flag messup by BAM! AND SEALS. Then lets definitely not forget the awful call made by both Striker AND Chisgule to full focus a flag to the bottom right of that ramp even AFTER being asked in open voice chat by a SEALS member why that was their objective instead of pushing the ramp like SEALS was. Multiple times SEALS were asked to push up that ramp and clear it for BD, multiple times SEALS cleared it despite being less than HALF of BD family's combined size. Dragon Family had AMAZING showing for the final zone, not to diminish that. 19:43 You address how the SEALS felt the season was over after 5 days at the choke unable to make any progress. SEALS for sure is called the war over after a few days at that chole with 0 progress being made. A realistic call, maybe a doomsday one, but a realistic call nonetheless. 21:06 You again address the lending of players to "help" SEALS, again I will reiterate, SEALS were given a VERY large majority of the dead weight and underperforming players from the BD family. I have the spreadsheet used by BD which HAS the raw data on it for members performances. It is literally how BD family operates, Highest performers are put into BDO, then BDM (BAM!). Not to knock the system they use, I know the data team puts a ton of effort in to collect the information and sort from there. It's just how their system operates. 22:48 To address the double resurge, there were maybe 4 or 5 players after that had returned to BD because they didnt quite like the "small alliance feel" where the battling was uphill most of the time. 28:06 Addressing the concerns of invading the zone 1. I can say from personal involvement that the intent was NOT to invade the zone 1, but some r4 already invited nk players and ds before it was realized and it was already too late to deescalte. Some of the decision makers in SEALS were not even present at the time of it all going down either. But as we all know, sometimes the intent can get lost when emotions fly high. 28:50 You say you only worked with SEALS cause if you didn't, the season was lost. While true, SEALS were always made to feel like BD backed us cause of prior history, they WANTED to have SEALS as genuine allies. But as has been shared in the past Duhz was always going to bat for the SEALS against the r4's and leadership team in BD due to his friendship with the BD side of SEALS members. Numerous times has Duhz told SEALS how many in BD complained and argued about SEALS being "allowed" to leave or make their own group. Eventually, BD came around and finally decided to work with SEALS, begrudgingly, or so it felt like. 33:06 You bring up victim shaming. Chisgule, with all due respect, this is a video game that most people play for a couple hours a day and don't think anything else of it. I personally that's a case of just taking it too seriously man. Especially with the comparison to an ACTUAL case of some of the most heinous cases of victim blaming dude. A betrayal in a video game literally should NEVER be compared to something like sexual assault. While the video, was a drama video and usually that's entertaining. This was no proper coverage of it when compared to the Dragon family video you made with PROOF in it.
Too much here to address, so much omitted here by the poster in order to portray themselves favorably. At the end of the day there’s literally no justification for the seals behavior here. No amount of frustration throughout the season warrants the depth of this betrayal. And when given multiple opportunities to correct they just doubled down and claim it’s a landslide; doing the right thing isn’t always easy, and seals to this day keep choosing not to do the upstanding thing. You even try to excuse the despicable behavior by saying it’s a video game. GG. No serious group betrays like this in games with global migration because reputation matters dramatically, and you get clowned hard for this kind of clown behavior.
I will add one more comment that I omitted the proof, which I have btw, to protect the seals players who would look ridiculous for their behavior. I just think it’s gross to be sharing these chats, and everyone looks dumb. So you’re welcome?
@@Chisgule Just to confirm here, not excusing betrayal. Was clarifying WHY it was done. SEALS fully owns it, that's the difference here. SEALS owning what they do, and BD not holding themselves accountable for another loss. The "excuse" isn't an excuse, it's to shine a light on your god awful attempt at demonizing a literal video game betrayal by comparing it to sexual assault. That's all that I've got to say on this. I really truly hope BD takes a lot from 3 seasons of losses to try and improve so you guys can win. GG's
@@MentalLogicDiff ok, but owning what they did is worse. you know it's worse right? if they at least had some remorse after the fact for ruining the game for all the completely uninvolved players, at least it could be written off as a heat of the moment reckless action or something like that, but no, instead theyre owning it and doubling down? yeah, that's worse.
So there are really people who read what is written in World chat ?? Most of the comments are only dumb or provocative . i never read what is written there !!
lol. This Patato Farmer is an arrogant guy. He's completely toxic and keeps attacking players and insulting them. He did that a lot in S1 and S1+. He's a disrespectful guy.
@@Chisgule The problem is not communicating with you, but with other people. I played with him in the same server for 2 seasons. Every week he insulted people or was very toxic. If someone said something against him, he even threatened.
In a fun event between two allied alliances, our alliance lost. Do you know what he did? He was angry and attacked people on the bridge, which was forbidden. Whenever he was asked about it, he reacted toxically. Only when a stronger player pointed out to him that he shouldn't do that did he stop. This potato is a sore loser and quickly becomes aggressive.@@Chisgule
Yea, i had to stop playing this game after stressing as a leader to try and smooth everything over with alliance after alliance. The thing thats a little wierd is when started to play, the immaturity of players stood out (in comparison to games like ROK) but i guessed it was only my server. Making strong relationships between alliances especially in this game is harder than it should be. Most alliances just wait and buy there time until they finally get the chance and just betray at what always seems like the worst time. Right now betrayal is undoubtedly a "META" per say. I simply could not handle having to constantly deal with that and some players who cannot follow simple rules. (No zeroing makes it so rouge players mainly whales live without fear as well and will always be accepted into different alliance later because of there strength). Anyways when people get more mature in the game and hopefully the developers find the time to change some things up so as you said betrayal is less impact full, i might make a return. Either way great video chisgule, in the right or wrong (never judge without hearing all sides) drama is always interesting to listen to. Cheers and don't get too pressed💪
I love the victim of betrayal come crying about name calling. LOL We simply hate you, so what ? don't like it ? It's not our problem. We just want you guys out.
Totally fair. TOTALLY. It's a frigging war game. Anything is fair, both the good and the bad. Which s u c k s but it is what it is. Why should ANYONE in a war game play fair? Unrealistic to expect it. Unrealistic to expect a whale to leave everyone alone in the early game. Unrealistic to expect agreements to be kept. Just look at Hamas/Israel, and that's even in real life. And in a game? Yes, people are gunna act like children. Some will act like Charles Manson. Some will act like... Chisgule. 😏
Bro. In ROK Seals and D&S would be clowned out of existence for their behavior. And as soon as COD has global migration their behavior will not be tolerated by the community.
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I genuinely dislike drama. Seals (now MILF) betrayal has led to a huge amount of petty airing of dirty laundry that I find really gross and exhausting. There's obviously a lot more that can be said about what happened in this season, but don't let anyone distract you from the simple reality: someone called seals a name in belleron chat, and they threw the season and jeopardized hundreds of innocent players for their own selfish endeavors. It's really that simple.
Chis in our kingdom in RoK we have a rule where we are not allowed to talk in Lost Kingdom chat. One of our mottos is show respect through actions - not words. This strategy has worked really well for us.
What kingdom
you cant talk at all? thats just boring
We always allowed talking in lost kingdom chat/world chat, in RoK as well as in CoD. But the message is always clear. Trash talking is prohibited, friendly bantering is allowed. And if you don't see the difference, don't talk at all.
Hey Chis, I’m playing on the same server as you, and we had a massive betrayal too. We tried to work things out with them and we kept being lied too. It was horrible! We were one of your allies too, I don’t know where we stand now, but hopefully the rest of the season plays out fairly…. Ancs was a huge participant in the betrayal agains us too.
Before watching the video, just want to say that
Congratulations for 100 millon power 🎉
I am sure there is another side to the story and things Chisgule isnt aware of or didnt include. However, letting an enemy into a starting zone is super grimy. I love the video as content. Hopefully next season Chisgule and Blood family get a chance to play through the whole thing without betrayals. I wanted to pick this game up but seeing how you need to be on the winning side to avoid betrayals Id rather just stick to RoK where a betrayal would ruin your reputation until end of time.
THIS. In ROK if you betray it ruins your reputation. You can only get away with it here because of the lack of global migration.
Perche and Skuro of SEALS team actively betrayed in S1. Not surprising they acted the same way in S2.
Chis all in all is a good guy he gets hate because he’s successful keep going chis
The first person that gets into my mind when i hear cuck is chisgule
An R4 and members of my alliance were name-calling me and booted me from the alliance during a warzone. They then told our enemy my location and tried to rally me. I don't know why people would be so mean to another who has the same goals as them and I'm trying to go somewhere better. I think animosity and negative players make it hard to lead, so I'm trying to make my server a better place.
Well i think you guys learned at least maybe out of this.
That if a ally that has promised being "the elite squad 🤣🤣🤣" and ends up being more a blockade, than should have had a back-up plan in case they where planning to betray (i think it was all planned).
Great video
I love your take on things chis! Absolutely hilarious how you show how absurd SEALS were being with their demands 😂
Seems to me that seals leadership is completely incompetent, not only with the betrayal but with the double resurgence nonsense…
Hopefully seals leadership are completely isolated from future seasons 🙏
Left out the fact that MasterRich concocted all of these schemes of betrayal. The man is hell spawn. Dude is devil incarnate. Dealer of 32 drama.
Hi Chisgule. I wanted to ask if you're playing any other server besides your main, like restarting in a new server?
Why are seals upset that blood said we wouldn’t have worked with them if there were better options available? Seals literally betrayed and flipped sides last season which means they are not 100% trustworthy. Now in this season they do the same thing and betray and flip to the winning side. Who would choose an alliance like they to ally with if there are better options available? Nobody that’s who. You can be butt hurt about it all you want but that’s the truth.
Then don't work with us at all. That simple. We didn't want to work with Blood either.
The continued down playing of the entire season's (not just this instance) grievances that Seals had is itself proof. In each and every video. Diminishing the Seals contributions, dehumanizing them. Lies caught out that this dude now has to back track on too.
From what has been said in other videos from Meow, Nasti and Sin of war, there's clearly way more behind the decision to betray than just name calling or a thunder roc fight.
Also, ANCS(in BAM) attacked the Seals while they were purifying the Thunder Roc, Seals had started the raid while BAM was still building towards it. There was no way BAM could take the Roc with an unfinished flag. Yet another lie from Blood. Remember in the video Chisgule said Seals took the bahemoth before BAM 9:33 . They did and they were attacked during that first purification process the moment BAM flag completed.
I personally don't see this betrayal and people who empathise with the Seals as victim shaming. There are really valid reasons for the Seals to feel this slighted. Even members who've been with the Seals that Chisgule "sent" over (in reality it's the overflow of people they didn't really want and continually asked them back later when spots opened). These players when they've spent time with Seals, realise how dedicated the leadership team was to getting every advantage possible for Blood's side. To then be betrayed by Blood and dismissed, and told we never wanted you anyway. That's wrong. Chigule admitted to it too, they did not want us, they only wanted to deny Dragon towards the end of this video.
What this is, feels like an employee within a big corporation filing numerous workplace bullying complaints to HR about their colleague, but the colleague never gets penalties and continues to be enabled. HR downplays every complaint and Gaslights the employee "you've got a stable job at this big company and for your sake you don't wanna lose this or cause trouble because it won't look good for you, just be an adult and suck it up ok".
Employee then reaches a tipping point, and says no more, i'm done and i'm out. Puts in a 1 day notice period to resign and leaves in the middle of peak season and everyone in the team suffers.
Edit: also, while Chisgule talks about having seals move to the other side to "win", there are 2 points here that is hypocritical.
1) Chisgule in the same video also says that Dragon has over 3 billion power in pure t5 power advantage. So that itself is telling who would win but yet somehow it's because the Seals didn't go to Kraozon.
2) It was the Seals who at the VERY BEGINNING of the season advocated against ANCS resurging to Enogad. Vehemently even. However, as the map shows ANCS was told to resurge from Kraozon originally under the suggestion from Chisgule himself(after convincing the strategy team).
2.1) Chisgule was not around for the final meeting with his strategy team that timing would be too close for Seal to move over to the other region due to their 48 hour delayed Elite Necro capture. Again not the Seal fault.
For someone who feels slighted and doesn’t like it, you sure did a lot of slighting of my astronomic time commitment to the seals. At the end of the day, no amount of infractions you’ve described equate the scale of the betrayal seals committed.
Buddy. BAM! Was purifying the Roc while SEAL whales teleported in and started 5 bombing the people in the Roc.
You need a break from this game, bro 😂😂
@@Chisgule A betrayal is what it is, there's no "scale". That said, everyone has the right to say "enough is enough". No one alliance needs to accept being consistently character assassinated, dismissed and have their contributions diminished. If you do not stand up for your long term allies when they need you most(especially when they're only fighting for your win, not theirs), then you do not deserve their loyalty.
As someone once said, a good leader should de-escalate and not over dramatize things. Maybe you can take that advice.
@@PotatoFarmer69o
Our big alliance allowed one of the smaller ones to farm all season and split rewards equally and when it came war time they did absolutely nothing to help us and have basically let us lose the rest of the season because the enemies have 15 more t5s than us and they're sitting in z1 and z2 playing farmville
What server is this
Hello chisgule have you played Era Of Conquest? I hope you play it need some tips on that game.
Why isn’t 1960 taking the zig ?
Chisgule please a make a leadership guide if possible I need it
You see this, then see the state of geopolitical scenario in the world and… you suddenly get it. We’re all idiots.
Some people need to look for an excuse, regardless on how dumb it is to do what their ambition leads them to. It happened with 277. At least they did not care and just replied: “ Big fish eat smaller fish”. No diplomacy and took it all in S1 out of nowhere.
alliances like seal quality should have been just absorbed and nurtured no need to let them have their own things to prevent this
They insisted on being a separate elite force and initially only accepted people they thought were sufficiently elite.
They tried and failed.
When will you doing live war in call of dragon chisgule.. We want watch big war On ice dragon zone.
Im sad we missed all fighting of the season man. I dont have an acc in your server but id love to watch some of the zone fights. I hope there will be more in the next season :) Great video nontheless. Hope you all stay motivated even tho they did you dirty
this is the greatest betrayal of all time
you guys are nicer then me if someone wanted to make a small mercenary team in my server and needed behemoths to move forward and they cannot even finish their own alliance tech they would have been out of luck. Cant cater to everyone if you wanna win and compete.
Dont understand the term "stealing players" its the players choice to leave. They clearly werent happy where they were. now if youre spam messaging recruitment messages to an ally yeah thats poaching which shouldnt be something an ally does but other than that a player deciding to join another team isnt "stealing a player"
with so many betrayals , I do home Chisgule isn't married
Why don't you defeat them? Are they are more powerful then your own alliance?
Yes they now have much more power
Does phoo and MP still play
MP yes
To comment in a way that leaves out further drama....
7:51 Where you address the Thunder Roc being forgotten about on SEALS part was due to the timing nature of SEALS Staying in BDO to help you capture Elite Necro, if that was planned properly like LuhGinus suggested days before, SEALS could have shell swapped back in time to grab the ROC instead of focusing on holding BD's zone 3. Granted after zone 4 began, I can say for sure the Roc was forgotten merely due to the full speed ahead dedication of SEALS to get to the choke as planned...before SEALS had to delete flags cause of some mess ups by BAM!.
14:19 Now to adress the "name calling," I think its extremely relevant to understand and mention that this "name calling" isn't what caused this. The entire season SEALS and ANCS had a sour relationship due to their first interaction. Both sides being a little bit petty about who merges into who, it is what it is. The "name calling" just so happened to be the final straw after being made out to be the scapegoat BD (maybe not all leadership felt this way, but MANY BD players did,) needed to blame another loss on.
16:17 Where you address *where did their members come from,* BD gave SEALS members that ranked low on their very own spreadsheet regarding performance per zone. That ALONE says what those players are, deadweight. WHICH IS WHY THE BD HALF OF SEALS LEFT!!! Lets not beat around the bush and act like BD gave SEALS active players, some were active in a small capacity, but not active enough when you consider what was required to keep pace.
18:32 You address attack plans to fight zone 4. The suggested plan to move to INWA/LoPC shell was in hindsight probably a better plan than was went with, but lets be completely honest here, NK and DS reached the critical choke first. This is in part due to the flag messup by BAM! AND SEALS. Then lets definitely not forget the awful call made by both Striker AND Chisgule to full focus a flag to the bottom right of that ramp even AFTER being asked in open voice chat by a SEALS member why that was their objective instead of pushing the ramp like SEALS was. Multiple times SEALS were asked to push up that ramp and clear it for BD, multiple times SEALS cleared it despite being less than HALF of BD family's combined size. Dragon Family had AMAZING showing for the final zone, not to diminish that.
19:43 You address how the SEALS felt the season was over after 5 days at the choke unable to make any progress. SEALS for sure is called the war over after a few days at that chole with 0 progress being made. A realistic call, maybe a doomsday one, but a realistic call nonetheless.
21:06 You again address the lending of players to "help" SEALS, again I will reiterate, SEALS were given a VERY large majority of the dead weight and underperforming players from the BD family. I have the spreadsheet used by BD which HAS the raw data on it for members performances. It is literally how BD family operates, Highest performers are put into BDO, then BDM (BAM!). Not to knock the system they use, I know the data team puts a ton of effort in to collect the information and sort from there. It's just how their system operates.
22:48 To address the double resurge, there were maybe 4 or 5 players after that had returned to BD because they didnt quite like the "small alliance feel" where the battling was uphill most of the time.
28:06 Addressing the concerns of invading the zone 1. I can say from personal involvement that the intent was NOT to invade the zone 1, but some r4 already invited nk players and ds before it was realized and it was already too late to deescalte. Some of the decision makers in SEALS were not even present at the time of it all going down either. But as we all know, sometimes the intent can get lost when emotions fly high.
28:50 You say you only worked with SEALS cause if you didn't, the season was lost. While true, SEALS were always made to feel like BD backed us cause of prior history, they WANTED to have SEALS as genuine allies. But as has been shared in the past Duhz was always going to bat for the SEALS against the r4's and leadership team in BD due to his friendship with the BD side of SEALS members. Numerous times has Duhz told SEALS how many in BD complained and argued about SEALS being "allowed" to leave or make their own group. Eventually, BD came around and finally decided to work with SEALS, begrudgingly, or so it felt like.
33:06 You bring up victim shaming. Chisgule, with all due respect, this is a video game that most people play for a couple hours a day and don't think anything else of it. I personally that's a case of just taking it too seriously man. Especially with the comparison to an ACTUAL case of some of the most heinous cases of victim blaming dude. A betrayal in a video game literally should NEVER be compared to something like sexual assault.
While the video, was a drama video and usually that's entertaining. This was no proper coverage of it when compared to the Dragon family video you made with PROOF in it.
Too much here to address, so much omitted here by the poster in order to portray themselves favorably. At the end of the day there’s literally no justification for the seals behavior here. No amount of frustration throughout the season warrants the depth of this betrayal. And when given multiple opportunities to correct they just doubled down and claim it’s a landslide; doing the right thing isn’t always easy, and seals to this day keep choosing not to do the upstanding thing.
You even try to excuse the despicable behavior by saying it’s a video game. GG.
No serious group betrays like this in games with global migration because reputation matters dramatically, and you get clowned hard for this kind of clown behavior.
I will add one more comment that I omitted the proof, which I have btw, to protect the seals players who would look ridiculous for their behavior. I just think it’s gross to be sharing these chats, and everyone looks dumb. So you’re welcome?
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@@Chisgule Just to confirm here, not excusing betrayal. Was clarifying WHY it was done. SEALS fully owns it, that's the difference here. SEALS owning what they do, and BD not holding themselves accountable for another loss. The "excuse" isn't an excuse, it's to shine a light on your god awful attempt at demonizing a literal video game betrayal by comparing it to sexual assault. That's all that I've got to say on this. I really truly hope BD takes a lot from 3 seasons of losses to try and improve so you guys can win. GG's
@@MentalLogicDiff ok, but owning what they did is worse. you know it's worse right?
if they at least had some remorse after the fact for ruining the game for all the completely uninvolved players, at least it could be written off as a heat of the moment reckless action or something like that, but no, instead theyre owning it and doubling down? yeah, that's worse.
Don’t come to 268 , krakens killing each other drama and all betrayal
So there are really people who read what is written in World chat ?? Most of the comments are only dumb or provocative . i never read what is written there !!
Betrayal in a game?
Veteran RoK players: It's all part of the game.
This drama is worthy of an epic novel. Tragic to the innocent account but this is some good content 😅😅
Why just talk about drama.. Just need live streaming big war on ice dragon zone
Good summary
Punishment is needed for this game seriously it was happening in our season 2 as well bullying and harassment why are they being rewarded by leaving
gosh i have to give you a thumbs up for the Dr X reference lol
i wont say which side i am in but you’re a great guy. keep up with the great contents! ❤️
Its time to migrate out
ngl i just came here because they’re my former alliance and i want tea lmao
Imagine a bunch of grown men spending money on a game being led by a kid 😅😅
That's BDM in a nutshell
Are we going to see Gorgo tests at reset?
I will be streaming, yes
lol. This Patato Farmer is an arrogant guy. He's completely toxic and keeps attacking players and insulting them. He did that a lot in S1 and S1+. He's a disrespectful guy.
He’s been super respectful and level-headed in all my conversations with him. Extremely easy to collaborate with. Completely the opposite of seals.
@@Chisgule The problem is not communicating with you, but with other people. I played with him in the same server for 2 seasons. Every week he insulted people or was very toxic. If someone said something against him, he even threatened.
In a fun event between two allied alliances, our alliance lost. Do you know what he did? He was angry and attacked people on the bridge, which was forbidden. Whenever he was asked about it, he reacted toxically. Only when a stronger player pointed out to him that he shouldn't do that did he stop. This potato is a sore loser and quickly becomes aggressive.@@Chisgule
I don't care what's going on on your server. I have experienced him for 2 seasons and have my opinion about him. That will never change.@@Chisgule
@@ugurelbl8959 mand would kill our marches if we were afk for too long😂 hes fosho on the crazy SIDE
I am so invested in this xD
Their being the problematic yet they find ways to become the bigger problem
I just wanted to say Duhz is a noob.
There're Duhz is a noob merch. Contact Steezy. It'll help them fund the next season.
The leader of seals jumped sides in season 1 also .
Now again haha ,
you really should just stop playing cod and write it off as a failed experiment tbh. the whole thing is a giant mess that just isnt worth your time.
Sounds like all the pre madonnnas (and kids) moved from Rok to COD.... lol...
You can always call out my name. Or Duhz, cuz he's a super noob.
My rock 🗿🤘
Stream More Pleaseeee
Yea, i had to stop playing this game after stressing as a leader to try and smooth everything over with alliance after alliance. The thing thats a little wierd is when started to play, the immaturity of players stood out (in comparison to games like ROK) but i guessed it was only my server. Making strong relationships between alliances especially in this game is harder than it should be. Most alliances just wait and buy there time until they finally get the chance and just betray at what always seems like the worst time. Right now betrayal is undoubtedly a "META" per say. I simply could not handle having to constantly deal with that and some players who cannot follow simple rules. (No zeroing makes it so rouge players mainly whales live without fear as well and will always be accepted into different alliance later because of there strength). Anyways when people get more mature in the game and hopefully the developers find the time to change some things up so as you said betrayal is less impact full, i might make a return. Either way great video chisgule, in the right or wrong (never judge without hearing all sides) drama is always interesting to listen to. Cheers and don't get too pressed💪
This game is every single season mostly call of betrayals 😅
Disgusting they zeroed everyone against them in there alliance who wanted to come back
Dont worry weve been betrayed last two seasons 😂
People act tough in games but in real life they r chickens I just laugh 😂I want 2 see a live fish in action 😂😂
BD and Betrayal the sequel
Politics ruin this game for me.
Makes the game better tbh
and i apologize .......to absolutely noone x'DDDD
The double potato does what the f he wants!
@9min that already SHOW you their REAL intentions lol. They purposely didn’t take it
29:00 😂😂
The best
lesssgooo chiss
Not the drama...
I love the victim of betrayal come crying about name calling. LOL
We simply hate you, so what ? don't like it ? It's not our problem. We just want you guys out.
I hope that no one threatens you in the way I’ve been threatened. Truly vile. Disgusting.
Snowflakes bro..
Im glad they did it!
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Totally fair. TOTALLY. It's a frigging war game. Anything is fair, both the good and the bad. Which s u c k s but it is what it is.
Why should ANYONE in a war game play fair? Unrealistic to expect it. Unrealistic to expect a whale to leave everyone alone in the early game. Unrealistic to expect agreements to be kept. Just look at Hamas/Israel, and that's even in real life. And in a game? Yes, people are gunna act like children. Some will act like Charles Manson. Some will act like... Chisgule. 😏
Every War have Rules... And Honor... But some Peps lose the Honor they had
Bro. In ROK Seals and D&S would be clowned out of existence for their behavior. And as soon as COD has global migration their behavior will not be tolerated by the community.
@@Chisgule what is global migration, is it like migrating the whole alliance?
lol not even 24h